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Harry and Professor McGonagall: Their Use of the Unforgivable Curses, Did they sink to the level of the Deatheaters?
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In the HP series; we see the Unforgivable Curses used mainly by the bad guys; however; they were also used by the good guys as well.

In DH, do Harry and Minerva McGonagall sink to the level of DEs by using the Unforgivable Curses - Crucio and Imperio respectively? Admittedly, it was used not on innocent people, but DEs, and you fight fire with fire. But can it also be said that they were stooping down to DE level by doing so; did they? Or were their actions warranted?

What was it that made Harry use the Cruciatus curse against Amycus? Was it the the desperate situation he was in, the idea that his beloved Hogwarts was in the hands of beasts like the Carrows, the grave insult to a person whom Harry held in vast respect and affection, and everything that had happened to Harry over the past few months coming together with the hatred he felt for the DEs in general and Voldemort in particular? What else could he have done?

What about McGonagall's Imperio? Did she really need to use it? Wouldn't another well-placed Stupefy like Luna's, have sufficed? Or was she demonstrating the fact that just because good wizards and witches don't use dark magic, doesn't mean they can't?

In DH, Lupin reprimands Harry for using the Expelliarmus against Stan Shunpike; and that essentially it was time for executing heavier artillery. Was Lupin justified when he gave Harry this advice? Do you believe Lupin was encouraging Harry to use the Unforgivable Curses and was this warranted given the fact that it was wartime?

Please feel free to pour your thoughts out smile.gif.

(Many, many thanks to rowena r and Pleione for their help with the ideas set forth in this thread; to those Moderators who contributed as well, and to the posters who inspired this topic woohoo.gif).



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- lirene   Harry and Professor McGonagall: Their Use of the Unforgivable Curses   Apr 8 2008, 12:30 PM
- - vandy   What about McGonagall's Imperio? Did she reall...   Apr 8 2008, 12:44 PM
- - rowena r   IMO, Harry and Minerva McGonagall would never sink...   Apr 8 2008, 01:12 PM
- - tonksgirl   QUOTE(lirene @ Apr 8 2008, 06:30 PM) In D...   Apr 8 2008, 01:14 PM
- - The Azkaban Dietitian   I don't believe we ever saw Imperio or Crucio ...   Apr 8 2008, 01:16 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(vandy @ Apr 8 2008, 01:44 PM) As fo...   Apr 8 2008, 01:59 PM
- - mushaboom   I definitely believe that Harry's execution of...   Apr 8 2008, 02:28 PM
- - MistyH   I'm in agreement with the posts before me. In...   Apr 8 2008, 03:08 PM
- - Rotfang   QUOTEA lot of people were surprised, including mys...   Apr 9 2008, 11:38 PM
- - MistyH   QUOTEHowever, throughout the series we see brash u...   Apr 10 2008, 08:14 AM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(MistyH @ Apr 10 2008, 09:14 AM) QUO...   Apr 10 2008, 08:24 AM
- - ickle_snuffles23   QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 10 2008, 09:24 AM) Q...   Apr 10 2008, 08:16 PM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(ickle_snuffles23 @ Apr 10 2008, 08...   Apr 10 2008, 10:37 PM
- - Laura W   Obviously the Imperius curse could be blocked. Ha...   Apr 11 2008, 03:17 AM
- - lsmith08   I think that the Imperius curse could not be block...   Apr 11 2008, 07:38 AM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(lsmith08 @ Apr 11 2008, 07:38 AM) I...   Apr 11 2008, 08:31 AM
- - Persephone Turpin   i'm going back to whether or not unforgivable ...   Apr 11 2008, 08:49 AM
- - Laura W   You are all right that there is a difference betwe...   Apr 11 2008, 08:53 AM
- - rowena r   QUOTE(Laura W @ Apr 11 2008, 08:53 AM) Th...   Apr 11 2008, 09:13 AM
- - Shnoing   Primo the easy one: I don't think that Snape h...   Apr 11 2008, 03:10 PM
- - Arnold-the-pygmipuff   I think that they did what they had to, and it was...   Apr 11 2008, 03:20 PM
- - *lily_luna*   At first I was horrified. Not by the Imperius curs...   Apr 11 2008, 03:30 PM
- - Mollycoddle88   I dont know. It is illegal no matter what, but you...   Apr 14 2008, 09:28 PM
- - Oryx   The use of Cruciatus by anyone was never justifiab...   Apr 17 2008, 02:36 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEBefore DH I took the message to be that Harry...   Apr 17 2008, 02:53 PM
- - Oryx   The position that Rowling wants us to question the...   Apr 17 2008, 02:58 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 17 2008, 01:58 PM) The p...   Apr 18 2008, 10:09 AM
- - MistyH   QUOTEBut there is something of that secret glee in...   Apr 18 2008, 11:02 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTEI hope I'm not being naive, but I didn...   Apr 18 2008, 11:08 AM
- - MistyH   You're right. I remember him feeling that way...   Apr 18 2008, 11:24 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTEYou're right. I remember him feeling that...   Apr 18 2008, 11:44 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEI don't think Harry should have used the ...   Apr 18 2008, 12:18 PM
- - MistyH   I suppose, as I said, that I am just being somewha...   Apr 18 2008, 02:13 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEYour insights about the issue are very intere...   Apr 18 2008, 02:49 PM
- - MistyH   You're absolutely right. (And thank you very m...   Apr 18 2008, 02:56 PM
- - *lily_luna*   I think it was a way for JKR to make the readers u...   Apr 18 2008, 03:13 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEthink it was a way for JKR to make the reader...   Apr 18 2008, 03:33 PM
- - Gllysa   They were in the middle of a war. Harry and McGon...   Apr 20 2008, 05:41 PM
- - Oryx   Please tell me why Harry's use of Crucio on Am...   Apr 20 2008, 06:51 PM
- - rowena r   I think the whole discussion stems from the fact t...   Apr 21 2008, 09:13 AM
- - MistyH   QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 21 2008, 09:13 AM) ...   Apr 21 2008, 09:39 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTELike Misty said, I too would like to believe ...   Apr 21 2008, 11:09 AM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 21 2008, 12:09 PM) And t...   Apr 21 2008, 02:10 PM
- - pumpkinskull   McGonagall did not sink to any lowly levels by usi...   Apr 24 2008, 07:09 PM
- - Oryx   QUOTESo I ask you, when was Harry supposed to sit ...   Apr 25 2008, 01:08 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 25 2008, 02:08 PM) Eithe...   Apr 25 2008, 05:40 PM
- - Oryx   Harry's choice of wording when he gave up the ...   Apr 25 2008, 10:14 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 25 2008, 11:14 PM) Harry...   Apr 26 2008, 12:33 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTEThe fact that Harry states the wand is troubl...   Apr 26 2008, 11:28 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 27 2008, 12:28 AM) And a...   Apr 27 2008, 01:17 AM
- - Oryx   Lupin's advice went too far. Harry already sho...   Apr 27 2008, 03:27 PM
- - Gllysa   Harry and McGonagall were in the middle of a war w...   Apr 27 2008, 08:17 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Oryx @ Apr 27 2008, 04:27 PM) Lupin...   May 3 2008, 03:49 PM
- - cooncatbob   In normal times killing is not only immoral it...   May 3 2008, 04:18 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 8 2008, 02:12 PM) I ...   Jun 14 2008, 01:16 AM
- - Hannibal Granger   IMO, we ought purge the term Unforgivable Curses. ...   Jul 7 2008, 04:17 PM
- - Choklad   I don't think Harry's use of the Unforgiva...   Jul 8 2008, 01:56 PM
|- - Shnoing   QUOTE(Choklad @ Jul 8 2008, 08:56 PM) I d...   Jul 8 2008, 02:42 PM
- - lola_loves_dan   I think Harry and McGonagall's use of the unfo...   Jul 8 2008, 02:54 PM
|- - roonwit   QUOTE(lola_loves_dan @ Jul 8 2008, 08:54 ...   Jul 8 2008, 04:26 PM
- - toffus   No,they didn't. Harry and McGonagall were usin...   Jul 8 2008, 02:57 PM
- - amparisey   I think that the Unforgivable curses are for both ...   Jul 8 2008, 06:44 PM
- - Oxymoronic   QUOTE(roonwit @ Jul 8 2008, 04:26 PM) QUO...   Jul 8 2008, 06:58 PM
- - MrCynical   I can see the difficulty here - in GF it is said t...   Jul 22 2008, 09:12 AM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(MrCynical @ Jul 22 2008, 09:12 AM) ...   Jul 22 2008, 12:40 PM
- - RavenclawPatronusCharm   there's a fine line between good and evil. I ...   Jun 20 2009, 01:38 PM
- - ChristianWizardWorld   As Lupin says in DH, this is war we're talking...   Jun 22 2009, 05:55 PM
- - lupinwandcaster   I think both the situation was extremely important...   Jun 23 2009, 09:45 PM
- - Luce_depp   I think it's very easy to say tht it's jus...   Jun 24 2009, 02:32 AM
- - broomwitch   I think Imperio can be used for good purposes. See...   Jun 24 2009, 07:13 AM
- - Snot   For the greater good bitch!   Dec 28 2009, 01:16 AM


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