Did Harry ever fear Voldemort?, Did Harry ever fear anyone or anything? |
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Tom had no understanding of this concept. It was the foundation of Dumbledores teachings to Harry. She sacrificed herself to protect Harry. There was no ancient incantation, no detailed plan, she simply put herself and her life on the line for Harry. As any loving Mother would. That triggered the protection, "No greater love hath any man than to give his life for a brother..". To me, it was simple. Riddle had no concept of right and wrong, good and bad, love and hate.. "..and I feel sorry for you.." As Harry (in the movie OOTP) lay on the floor of the ministry racked with pain from Voldy's possession, he realized he was the stronger of the two, and need not fear Voldy anymore.. QED ;) For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. This post has been edited by Moose_Starr: Apr 12 2008, 10:32 AM
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Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM)  For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. I disagree. Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
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Apr 8 2008, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 8 2008, 12:23 AM) QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM) For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. I disagree. Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. I think he definitely feared him, because if he hadn't he would have been foolish. He might have underestimated LV's power, and probably wouldn't have survived. This post has been edited by Moose_Starr: Apr 12 2008, 10:32 AM
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Apr 8 2008, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM) Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. I agree with harryottergeek2. And like Name Unknown said, he would have been foolish not to. An intelligent person knows when to be afraid of something. Harry definitely feared Voldemort, but he did everything he could to bring him down inspite of that fear and that's what makes him so wonderful. The determination that made him want to stop Voldemort at any cost, overcoming his worst fears, is remarkable to say the least.  In the UK version of PoA, his first thought of the thing that frightened him most was a powerful Voldemort, before he thought of the Dementors. Anger was there, after all, Voldemort murdered his parents, but it IMO didn't replace the fear to any extent, at least in cold blood. In the graveyard scene, Harry goes beyond fear or reason when he stands up and prepares to die fighting like his father. In DH, though, it seemed to me that Harry was more apprehensive about death than Voldemort when he set out to give himself up. I say this because his thoughts were more along the lines of whether dying would hurt rather than whether Voldemort hurt him. 
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QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 8 2008, 11:09 AM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM) Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. In the graveyard scene, Harry goes beyond fear or reason when he stands up and prepares to die fighting like his father. In DH, though, it seemed to me that Harry was more apprehensive about death than Voldemort when he set out to give himself up. I say this because his thoughts were more along the lines of whether dying would hurt rather than whether Voldemort hurt him. All of you bring up great points about Harry, his bravery and fear. One of my favorite scenes was the graveyard scene in GOF. I was really impressed with Harry: yes he was scared; but at one point he decided that he wasn't going to hide behind the gravestone anymore; he wasn't going to die a coward. And I am sure Harry didn't expect to survive either; but he came out fighting. I was so proud of him .
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This interesting question was asked in The Biggest Unanswered Question thread, and has now been split off into its own thread.
Did Harry ever fear Voldemort? Lupin suggests that the only thing Harry fears is fear itself. Some say what LV feared most was love. These are two very contradictory responses in two very different people. What do you guys think? Let the theorizing and discussing continue in this shiny new thread 
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Apr 12 2008, 11:31 AM
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Ooooh! Interesting topic and so hard to actually decide which one.....
I think Harry was initially afraid of Voldermort when he first came into the wizarding world but I think in Deathly Hallows he saw Voldermort for the big talking evil coward he really was. He saw that Voldermort was missing out on so much in life by seeing love as a weakness and a thing to despise. I don't think Harry was afraid of Voldermort in the forest he knew after seeing his parents and friends that he was going to be safe and loved on the otherside as well as in the wizarding world, so after all that waffle yes and no! Yes to start with and no by the end! 
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Apr 12 2008, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(Moose_Starr @ Apr 12 2008, 10:22 AM) Lupin suggests that the only thing Harry fears is fear itself. Some say what LV feared most was love. These are two very contradictory responses in two very different people. I love Remus' statement about fear. (In fact, I love everything about that man.) Coming to Harry, I'd have to agree with Remus, and not only because I like him, but because IMO he is absolutely right on that one. Harry never backed out of a challenge in his life; be it going on alone to stop Voldemort getting his hands on the Philosopher's Stone or facing the Basilisk or a Hungarian Horntail or anything else. He was terrified most of the time, but he never let that get in his way of doing what he felt was right. So, in a way, you could say that Harry first and foremost fought his fear and won over it in each and every situation before defeating the thing that caused that fear. In DH, Harry didn't want to die, but he accepted that it had to be done and went ahead and stood in front of Voldemort waiting to be killed after conquering his fear. That, like Dumbledore said, is something Voldemort has never been able to do. I can't say if Voldemort was afraid of love, but he certainly was afraid of death. That made him go to the horrible extent of making multiple Horcruxes to ensure he didn't die. He chose to evade the object of his fear instead of conquering the fear of the object. Voldemort concentrated on the cause of the fear - death and not the fear itself and that mistake made the fear grow and grow till it assumed gigantic proportions. He tried to hide that fear from others as well as himself by saying that he thought death was a weakness, but in reality, it was fear that was working from inside IMO. Pardon me if I bring Dumbledore into this, he forms the third category in my theory. Dumbledore chose to examine his feelings about death and through reflection and understanding, came to the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing to be feared from it, that is what he probably meant when he said, "To the well organised mind, death is but the next great adventure." Being wise, he knew that death comes to all and the wise man does not worry about it. So, we have Voldemort, who tried to avoid the cause of fear; Harry, who fought and defeated his fear; and Dumbledore, who used his wisdom to see beyond life and death. It is interesting to note that only the ones who could love and believed in the power of love could get over their fears. -------------------- L O V E |
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 Apr 12 2008, 12:16 PM
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I think Harry did fear Voldemort in a way because he feared what Voldemort could do if he gained power and what the world would become.
Voldemort as a person was far less frightening than the thought that one day someone could take over the ministry and take away everything he holds dear. Whoever this person might be!  So does Harry fear Voldemort himself I don't think so he fears the consequences of Voldemort's come back but anyone could take Voldemort's place and Harry would probably not fear them more. What a messy answer! 
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Apr 12 2008, 02:23 PM
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I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!).
Up until he had his chat with DD in limbo, I think Harry was afraid of LV in every respect; he knew that, even with all the Horcruxes destroyed, it would take a lot of skill to kill LV himself. However, once he realized he had a powerful weapon on his side (i.e. the Elder Wand's allegience), not to mention his comfort of knowing that his sacrifice was protecting the rest of the WW from LV, Harry had nothing left to fear in LV (well, his reasons for fearing LV were greatly diluted, anyway; he wasn't arrogant enough to think that his path to killing LV was clear-cut and easy - he still had to be brave enough to make one last stand against LV). -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
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Apr 12 2008, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 08:23 PM) I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!). I disagree. Harry is generally thinking clearly when in front of Voldemort which certainly isn't a sign of terror. When he goes to face Voldemort in the forest he is more afraid that his own resolve might crack rather than of facing Voldemort. If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest.
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Apr 12 2008, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 07:39 PM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 08:23 PM) I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!). I disagree. Harry is generally thinking clearly when in front of Voldemort which certainly isn't a sign of terror. When he goes to face Voldemort in the forest he is more afraid that his own resolve might crack rather than of facing Voldemort. If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest.I agree. Harry would not have been able to bring himself to voluntarily face Voldemort, knowing he was about to die, if he feared him. I just never got the impression that Harry was afraid of Voldemort himself when reading the books. I always felt it was more the fear of the destruction Voldemort could bring - ripping families apart, instilling terror in ordinary witches and wizards. To me, it seemed like Harry was more afraid of losing more people he loved (which, sadly kept on happening), and realising that as long as Voldemort couldn't get to him, those closest to him, and those who were trying to protect him were in terrible danger. I'm not explaining myself very well here.  What I'm trying to say is, I don't feel that Harry was afraid of facing Voldemort - I feel that he was more afraid of him indirectly, as in Voldemort's actions, i.e. taking the people he loved from him, causing him immense emotional pain - and we all know the fact that Harry could feel all that was his biggest strength. I think he was more afraid of having no one left to love, or to love him, rather than Voldemort himself. Sorry, I know thats unclear! 
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Apr 12 2008, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM) For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. I do think that Harry feared Voldemort. While I agree with *lily_luna* that Harry feared what Voldemort represented, what his return to power would mean for the world, I think that as this was all embodied in LV himself as it was he who could cause it I do think that Harry feared him. Lupin commended Harry on his boggart being a dementor as this suggested that Harry's fear was fear, LV is IMO a sort of Boggart/Dementor figure for Harry, he represented & embodied that which harry fears most. As Name Unknown & Rowena R said, it would have been foolish of harry not to fear LV, It would have been blind. All the way through the series, from PS/SS when Harry was rooted to the spot and petrified beyond sound at the sight of LV right through to DH, we saw harry's fear of Voldemort. But Harry is brave, it's why he's a Gryffindor  and bravery is not the absence of fear but rather doing what is right in spite of your fear --------------------  |
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Apr 12 2008, 03:14 PM
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One thing that occurs to me, and to borrow from the Star Wars saga..
"Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to the dark side.." (or words to that effect) So it could follow that Harry did start out fearing LV, but as he learned what and why Voldemort went after his family(well to be accurate he went after Harry), his "fear" turned to something else, and in the end consumed him to the point of longing for death so he would no longer face all he had and was still yet to encounter.. then with Dumbledores death, he decided to finish his mission and face LV for the final battle. In a unique way though Harry may have started out fearing LV but his courage in the face of LV was so great, he stood up to him, and took his chances. In GOF the graveyard scene where he decided to stand and face him, to me he basically said, "Fine, take your best shot, I'm sick of all the cat and mouse" and even before that seeing Cedric die, started a fire within him, to the point of decision, to accept the prophecy, (even before he knew of it) in that there was not enough room in the wizarding world for the both of them. But to his credit in the end of OOTP, he was able to to "pity" LV and switch the "fear" onto LV. The greatest lesson I took from all the books, "Things are not always what they appear to be". This post has been edited by Godrick: Apr 12 2008, 03:15 PM -------------------- Thank you JK, for all the joy you've given the world, and myself. When all is in chaos around us, we can visit Harry and for a time, be young again and enter a world of wonder..
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Apr 12 2008, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 03:39 PM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 08:23 PM) I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!). I disagree. Harry is generally thinking clearly when in front of Voldemort which certainly isn't a sign of terror. When he goes to face Voldemort in the forest he is more afraid that his own resolve might crack rather than of facing Voldemort. If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest.By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave. I also don't see how thinking clearly shows that Harry isn't afraid. You don't need to be fearless to think clearly, you need to be fearless to think critically. When Harry faces LV, he reacts intuitively, which is the result of either a) being in the situation before (i.e. you are acting based on past experience) or b) being afraid, causing you to do the first thing that comes to mind. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Apr 12 2008, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 09:37 PM) By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave. Again I disagree. Being brave need have nothing to do with conquering fear, indeed quite a few people who win bravery awards didn't even think about the danger they were in when they did the act they won the award for.
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Apr 12 2008, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 03:39 PM) If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest. I believe Harry was experiencing a multitude of emotions; and fear was one of them; and not just fear of Voldemort, but fear of death itself: (DH, p 692) QUOTE Terror washed over him as he lay on the floor, with that funeral drum pounding inside him. Would it hurt to die? Re-reading this passage again makes me wonder which he feared more. Harry had also just realized what Dumbledore's plans for him were; he had just realized Dumbledore's betrayl if you will. I believe what brought about Harry's clarity of actions was the fact that he had the Resurrection Stone. Seing his parents, Sirius and Lupin contributed tremendously to Harry's resolve. Plus, although Harry had bestowed Neville with the mission of killing Nagini, Harry walked to his death knowing that one Horcrux remained. How many of us could do this .
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Apr 12 2008, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 05:53 PM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 09:37 PM) By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave. Again I disagree. Being brave need have nothing to do with conquering fear, indeed quite a few people who win bravery awards didn't even think about the danger they were in when they did the act they won the award for.Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart. This is one of the definitions of bravery from dictionary.com. It doesn't specifically say conquering fear (not in so many words, anyway) but this is what it implies. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Apr 12 2008, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 11:56 PM) Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart. (bolding adjusted) Using your own definition, bravery need not have anything to do with being afraid because it can be "to encounter danger and difficulties ... without fear", which was the point I was making, so your argument about Harry needing to be afraid to be brave is invalid.
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Apr 12 2008, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 07:38 PM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 11:56 PM) Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart. (bolding adjusted) Using your own definition, bravery need not have anything to do with being afraid because it can be "to encounter danger and difficulties ... without fear", which was the point I was making, so your argument about Harry needing to be afraid to be brave is invalid.Sorry, I meant to say that even though the person committing a brave act does not have fear at the time, they need to have some level of fear of it before committing the act itself. Otherwise, the action is just that - an action. When you make the decision to read a book, you won't be considered brave for doing so unless you are somewhat anxious about reading it. I'm not saying that the fear has to be extreme, it just has to be strong enough to allow the person to know that what they are doing is dangerous - at least from their own perspective(in the example of reading a book, the fear could involve being afraid of discovering information that you don't want to know). If you have absolutely no fear whatsoever of doing something, you won't regard that action as dangerous. Therefore, without some measure of fear, your actions themselves are not considered as ones that encounter danger. In the case of Harry facing LV, he knows exactly how dangerous it is to do so (it's kinda common knowledge). Therefore, he has to have some level of fear of facing LV in order to recognize that the act of doing so is in fact dangerous. Considering how powerful LV was compared to the rest of the WW (save for DD), I'm sure that Harry's fear in this case wasn't exactly miniscule. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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May 4 2008, 12:16 PM
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I think that Harry feared Voldemort a lot. And that :I feel sorry for you; I don't think that it is in the book.
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May 4 2008, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(Antonija @ May 4 2008, 12:16 PM) I think that Harry feared Voldemort a lot. And that :I feel sorry for you; I don't think that it is in the book. i donnot believe harry ever fully fear him. i think at times harry was a fraid of him just a little. but he didnt know what LV was until he was eleven. He also felt he had no reason to fear him til after he was seventeen. You can also see he isnt the afraid of him when he goes off into the forest in the endish of DH and and gives him self up to die. The shows curage and shows that he isnt afraid of death, and if you think about it, mst of the oly reason to fear LV is because he will kill you. -------------------- Dont Worry Harry, youre not the only one forced to practice your spells at night by flash light...i feel your pain.
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OK I will change that into he was afraid of Voldemort a lot of times, but deep in his heart he knew that he is stronger than Voldemort because of the LOVE.
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May 4 2008, 03:44 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 219 Joined: 11:35am January 3, 2008 |
Harry feared Voldemort very much. His fear was for what Voldemort would do to the people he loved more than himself, I think though. He had to work through his fear to accomplish his task of defeating Voldemort. That makes him a greater hero in my eyes.
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May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 3:56pm April 24, 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada |
Of course Harry's afraid of Voldemort. Someone said Harry's more afraid of dying than of Voldemort per-say, but I think there's, if any, a pretty fine line between your own murder and your murderer. He hated, pitied, and feared Voldemort all in one- I don't think any of those things cancel each other out. I definitely pity some of my best friends sometimes, as well as some of the kids at my school I really loathe. In fact, now that I think of it, there's a kid at my school who I hate, pity and fear! All for very good reasons too! Although it's less 'terrified of' than 'extremely creeped out by', but moving on!
Harry is exceptionally brave. I would in fact say that he felt less fear when he was giving himself over to the Death Eaters than a sort of grief for the loss of his life, but nevertheless he was afraid of what was going to happen, would it hurt, what would happen to his friends when he was gone. Even if by that point in time he might no longer be afraid of Voldy, or maybe even dying, he definitely feared him when he was younger, was stark terriffied of him in books 4&5, definitely still pretty damned frightened in book 6 and most the way through 7. Remember how horrified and disgusted he was at the thought of Voldemort possessing him? And again, although people have already said it, there's a difference between having no fear of something, and being able to deal with one's fear of something. I think Harry was much less frightened of Voldemort than most people were, but still afraid nonetheless. And besides fearing his own death, he'd fear what Voldemort could do to his friends and loved ones... Harry fearing Fear itself does not mean that's the only thing he's afraid of, it's just what the Boggart thought he'd fear the most. QUOTE he saw Voldermort for the big talking evil coward he really was. I resent that! >O OK, so I have a totally unjustified obsession with Voldy, but anyways. He's defs not a coward. He's afraid of dying, and that's about it. (He's afraid of Dumbledore because Dumbledore represents his own death, to him.) I'm pretty sure other than that, he's immune to fear. ...although I guess cowardice is also not the same as the presence of fear. Damn. But I wouldn't call him big-talking either, he definitely did pretty much everything he said he was going to, or at least tried to to the best of his ability. He's not the Big Schoolyard Bully Grown Up archetype. QUOTE Again I disagree. Being brave need have nothing to do with conquering fear, indeed quite a few people who win bravery awards didn't even think about the danger they were in when they did the act they won the award for. Bravery Awards are frequently misnamed. They're usually more like Awards for Doing Something Well While in Danger, or Awards for Competence Instead of Death. Half of the time it's luck. Yes, the people who win them did well, but what they did wasn't necessarily brave. (That's less true nowadays, because you have the option to sign up for the military, at least, but it was very true during WWI+II.) Think about it, is panicking and happening to press the right button or say the right thing bravery? Not really. It takes guts to get out there to begin with, but the actual act is often one of panic, and panic is not bravery. I think that there's a huge disparity between being brave and being fearless. Brave is what Harry is. Fearless is what Voldemort (mostly) is. -------------------- Voldy <3 |
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May 4 2008, 06:47 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 25 Joined: 1:51am April 17, 2008 Location: Gryffindor common room, reading by the fire! |
ABSOLUTELY!! Of course Harry feared Voldemort - on many levels. He was afraid that he wouldn't have the power to match Voldemorts
 - as it took Harry a long time to understand the power of Love that DD had explained to him. He feared what Voldemort would do to those he loved and he feared the consequences of Voldemorts action for the human race - muggles and wizards a like. I think in the opening chapter of GOF that Harry woke up having had one of his "Dream/visions" of Voldemeort in the old Riddle house and he was sweating and shaking! Harry is taught to fear Voldemort - not to the degree that someone like Ron was, as he grow up with the fear of saying Voldemorts name - but Harry soon caught on that Voldemort and his powers were something to fear. If Harry had no fear of Voldemort then I don't really believe that he would've understood how to beat him. I know that may not make a lot of sense but fear is healthy and is an emotion that tells you to be careful to be cautious. The only way to overcome fears is to face them - that takes courage! Harry faced Voldemort time and time again, each time his fear intensified that it may be the last. What got Harry through was his courage  and his beliefs in what is right and what is wrong.
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May 5 2008, 12:50 AM
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Property of the Half-Blood Prince Posts: 6,296 Joined: 10:10pm February 23, 2007 Location: Paying my last respects to Severus Snape |
QUOTE(Antonija @ May 4 2008, 12:30 PM) OK I will change that into he was afraid of Voldemort a lot of times, but deep in his heart he knew that he is stronger than Voldemort because of the LOVE. I feel though, that Love was the hardest emotion for Harry to comprehend though. He may know what love is, and he has seen it since entering the Wizarding World, but to understand just what it means is something completely different. I believe that Harry feared what Voldemort represented. If Voldemort was victorious, it would never end...more people were going to continue to die. Harry knew that he was going to have to eventually go up against Voldemort, but the fear was in the unknown. Harry constantly had to wonder, when, where, who else was going to be there, would he be alone, would it be on his terms or mine, etc and that is what scared him. Along with not really knowing love, Harry also grew up not knowing the fear that went with Voldemort. He has been able to say his name from day one, and it hasn't even bothered him that others are scared of the name. I do believe that Voldemort scares him, but like I said, I think it is more of what he represents than the person/thing voldemort is. --------------------   Albus Severus...you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew." Harry Potter |
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May 6 2008, 11:34 AM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 61 Joined: 7:27am January 20, 2008 Location: In a crate behind Hagrid's hut  |
I'm sure Harry feared Voldemort, even though he was braver and loved. When facing Voldemort, in a graveyard, in the ministry or regularly throughout the seventh book, Harry was much more concerned with getting away alive than stopping and thinking "Hey, I'm sure I'm stronger than him because I feel love!" He constantly needs reminding by Dumbledore that he has something Voldemort does not have. It is clear throughout the books Harry feels fear when meeting Voldemort, and also feels constant fear throughout the fifth book, although this is not fear for himself but for others.
It just shows what a great person Harry is that, when Voldemort is back in power and trying to kill him, Harry does not feel fear for himself but for the people he loves. -------------------- |
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May 12 2008, 05:50 AM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,283 Joined: 4:05am September 25, 2005 Location: Submitting an application at Weasleys Wizarding Weezes |
Yes and no, I think Harry was afraid of what was to come in the horcrux hunt after going with Dumbledore to the cave, and after seeing what the ring did to Dumbledores hand. I dont think Harry really feared Voldy though, he survived when he was a baby and I think that fact carried with him. I mean a helpless baby survived the most powerful wizard of his time. I do think after Harry heard the prophecy he was scared knowing that sooner or later he was going to have to confront Voldy and they would face off.
-------------------- "Now, Harry you must know all about Muggles, tell me, what exactly is the function of a rubber duck?" Arthur Weasley
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May 12 2008, 10:25 PM
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Severus Snape's Personal Assistant  Posts: 2,288 Joined: 11:44pm November 29, 2005 Location: In the Hogwarts kitchen eating cookies. |
I always saw it as Harry feared him, especially in SS/PS, but after defeating him a couple times, as the boggarts showed, he feared Dementors more. Harry wouldn't be a human character without fear. He had to fear these things.
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May 13 2008, 11:16 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
QUOTE(Overcast @ May 12 2008, 11:25 PM) I always saw it as Harry feared him, especially in SS/PS, but after defeating him a couple times, as the boggarts showed, he feared Dementors more. But notice that Harry's first thought was LV - a LV returned to full strength. Dementors may have been the more pressing threat at the time, but there is no doubt that Harry did fear LV as well. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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May 14 2008, 11:31 AM
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Severus Snape's Personal Assistant Posts: 2,288 Joined: 11:44pm November 29, 2005 Location: In the Hogwarts kitchen eating cookies. |
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ May 13 2008, 11:16 PM) QUOTE(Overcast @ May 12 2008, 11:25 PM) I always saw it as Harry feared him, especially in SS/PS, but after defeating him a couple times, as the boggarts showed, he feared Dementors more. But notice that Harry's first thought was LV - a LV returned to full strength. Dementors may have been the more pressing threat at the time, but there is no doubt that Harry did fear LV as well. I didn't say he didn't fear him at all. Just at that point in his life Voldy wasn't his main fear. -------------------- W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo |
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May 14 2008, 12:03 PM
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Owner of D's Favorite Avatar! Posts: 3,058 Joined: 10:59am June 8, 2005 Location: Exile on Main St |
I think both feared each other to an extent. Voldemort, has felt great pain by Harry hands. We saw a glimpse of it when he tried to possess him in OotP. True, we never saw Voldemort going "AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" but I bet he sure as hell felt it. Also I think he would after a certain point begin to wonder about what Harry has. He did kidnap and torture Ollivander, to find out why Harry's wand did strange thing in battle with him. Couldn't you call that a bit fearful?
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May 14 2008, 03:34 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 214 Joined: 2:33pm May 14, 2008 Location: Norway. |
No, I don't think Harry ever feared Voldemort. But I think he feared that Voldemort would hurt anyone. And I think he feared that he would grown evil ( Talking about Harry now), and that Voldemort possess him. If Harry feared Voldemort, he could not have fought him. As I see it.
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May 14 2008, 11:42 PM
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Proud owner of a half-dead horse! Posts: 739 Joined: 1:48pm July 14, 2005 Location: Reading all the books at Flourish and Blotts |
I don't think it's possible to say that Harry NEVER feared Voldemort. It's possible to say that he didn't fear Voldemort in the end, but look at Harry's reaction to what Firenze told him in the Forbidden Forest in book 1. He's an 11 year old child, and he's just been told that the monster who killed his parents is nearby and attempting to gain power. I'm sure it was scary. But I think it was the fear that galvanized Harry. If he hadn't been afraid of Voldemort, it would not have been nearly so important to stop him from gaining power. In that first confrontation at the end of PS/SS, I think Harry feared Voldemort very much. I also think there was a great deal of fear at play during Voldemort's ressurection scene in GOF. But the fear gives Harry a "fight" reaction rather than a "flight" reaction. He fears Voldemort, and so he knows that it's important to fight against him.
QUOTE(Lord Montymort @ May 14 2008, 06:03 PM) I think both feared each other to an extent. Voldemort, has felt great pain by Harry hands. We saw a glimpse of it when he tried to possess him in OotP. True, we never saw Voldemort going "AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" but I bet he sure as hell felt it. Also I think he would after a certain point begin to wonder about what Harry has. He did kidnap and torture Ollivander, to find out why Harry's wand did strange thing in battle with him. Couldn't you call that a bit fearful? I think Voldemort feared Harry from the moment he heard Snape's report of the prophecy. He didn't fear the baby he tried to kill, he feared what that baby might become. Eventually, I think he came to fear that he could not kill Harry. -------------------- "Heh, heh, heh; Mine is an evil laugh!" --Wash, Firefly
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May 15 2008, 06:43 AM
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Owner of D's Favorite Avatar! Posts: 3,058 Joined: 10:59am June 8, 2005 Location: Exile on Main St |
QUOTE(DaisyRenee @ May 15 2008, 05:42 AM) I think Voldemort feared Harry from the moment he heard Snape's report of the prophecy. He didn't fear the baby he tried to kill, he feared what that baby might become. Eventually, I think he came to fear that he could not kill Harry. I certainly think that fear was amplified in DH, when Harry went pretty much a whole year un-found by his DE's (not including Malfoy manor) And when he realised Harry was destroying his Horcruxes, he become very fearfull. That this 17 year old boy could actually kill him. -------------------- "If Homer Simpson wants his son to work in a Burlesque House, then Homer Simpson's son will work in a burlesque house!" ...(Marge appears) "Now Marge, you're going to hear a LOT of crazy talk about Bart working in a Burlesque House..." |
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May 15 2008, 03:55 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 14 Joined: 5:34pm May 31, 2007 Location: Ontario |
I think it would be impossible that Harry didn't at least fear Voldie a tiny bit, even if it wasn't that much. Harry may not have been deathly afraid like Ron and spiders. But he should at least be slightly afraid of a man who's greatest passion is to kill him and take over the magical world. And even if he wasn't afraid for himself he was afraid for his loved ones who placed themselves in the way of the rampaging lunatic called a Dark Lord. Now that my post makes absolutely no sense and probably confuzzled anyone who tried to read it I will end it there
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Jun 3 2008, 03:09 PM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 349 Joined: 5:10pm October 13, 2006 Location: currently rereading and listening (audio) to DH because I can't let go. |
I think that DD knew what he was doing when he took Harry to his aunt's house. Harry never knew or grew up to know or fear LV. He understood the fear of the wizarding world of LV, but I don't think that he ever feard him he never feared death and death is the most scary thing anyone can encounter. I think that what harry feared was that if he didn't distroy the horcruxe's before he died that all his loved ones would be lost to LV.
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Jun 27 2008, 01:45 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 88 Joined: 2:46pm June 26, 2008 Location: West Midlands, England |
QUOTE(Ginnyous @ Jun 3 2008, 04:09 PM) I think that what harry feared was that if he didn't distroy the horcruxe's before he died that all his loved ones would be lost to LV. I agree with Ginnyous. I think that the only thing that Harry feared, was the death of his loved ones, because he really did need people to love. When you think about it, Harry's his most rebellious in the books after the deaths of his loved ones (actually he kinda goes emo) but he fights even harder to stop that happening to anyone else. Ain't Harry just adorable? 
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Jun 27 2008, 01:51 PM
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Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 878 Joined: 10:47am February 19, 2007 Location: at home |
I think Harry feared Voldemort a lot, he was full aware of his power and that voldemort had the ability (magically wise anyway) to kill almost anyone. also in POA he says that when thinking of what his boggart would be he initially thought of Voldemort. I think that Harry confronted his fears though and didnt shy away, so ultimately his fear was put on the back seat when he was in dangerous situations.
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May 24 2009, 07:34 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 165 Joined: 5:02pm April 22, 2008 Location: Flying on thestrels with Luna |
I think that Harry was scared of LV, but not as much as other people thought. I think that he was more scared of dieing at the hands of LV and not being able to finish him off. Also, His boggart was not LV but a dementor in PoA
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May 29 2009, 05:27 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 114 Joined: 11:52am January 31, 2009 Location: Sandston Va |
Everyone who goes into battle is afraid. It is what you do with it that makes the difference. Yes, I think Harry was very afraid more for those around him at the end of book six where he says Voldemort will use those close to him to get to him.
His greatest moment of his control of fear was when he went into the woods to maybe die. It is not the amount of fear that we have have as did Harry but how we are able to use it to are advantage and overcome it. Horas1 |
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Jun 13 2009, 02:21 PM
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Rat Spleen Restocker at the Apothecary Posts: 475 Joined: 9:38pm March 27, 2008 Location: Herbology greenhouse♥ |
Yes, of course I think he feared LV. He feared death too, didn't he? Harry was afraid a lot I'm sure, but what make someone brave is that they are afraid but they do it anyway. That is why Harry is so brave, because he never backs down. It was probably scary fighting LV all those times, but he wanted to win so much that he ignored his fear and embraced it.
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 426 Joined: 12:02pm August 5, 2006 Location: Warner Robins GA USA |
I'm sure that Harry did fear Lord Voldemort. Though I remember after Hagrid says Voldemort's name the one time in PS/SS, Harry used to say Voldemort's name several times throughout each book.
In Deathly Hallows Harry says his name (after listening to Potterwatch lead by Lee Jordan) and ends up getting caught by snatchers  and gets Hermione being tortured by Bellatrix and Dobby getting killed by Bellatrix's knife while apperating out of Malfoy Manor. I do agree with all of the comments on this thread about Harry facing Voldemort, being afraid but standing up each time to Voldy and for this I applaud Harry James Potter!   
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Jun 23 2009, 03:29 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 250 Joined: 9:37am April 29, 2007 Location: Under THE invisibility cloak with Harry... |
I think Harry was petrified of LV, and can you blame him? This is the man who killed his parents, destroyed the wizarding world, and then is attempting to regain power throughout the series.
And considering the fact that Harry was at the top of LV's 'To Do In' list, I would think that would give him cause to be even MORE afraid of Voldemort than is usual. There is even one point in (i think) PS/SS when Harry keeps thinking Voldemort is gonna pop up during an exam and try and kill him, but Herminone and Ron don't seem too concerned. I think in DH, when Harry is going to the forest, he is more afraid of death than the means of his death (at LV's hands). Consequently, I think that Harry prepared himself so well to die, that when he was battling LV in the Great Hall, had the Elder Wand not responded to him, he would have felt no fear of death anyway, as he had already done it, and it's comfort suited him just fine, thank you very much. Holy rambling. -------------------- Dumbledore's Army: Still Recruting  Avatar and Siggy by kendra.dumbledore <333 |
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Jul 16 2009, 12:41 PM
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Arcee: I was afraid you'd be trapped outside the city. Hot Rod: Hey, I wasn't worried for a micro-second. Arcee: Then you probably didn't understand the situation. Fear i what makes courage work. being brave is different than being foolish. Harry was afraid of Voldemort, that is why he was brave. He knew Voldemort might win, but he'd give him his best shot first. |
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