Did Harry ever fear Voldemort?, Did Harry ever fear anyone or anything? |
 Apr 7 2008, 02:11 PM
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Tom had no understanding of this concept. It was the foundation of Dumbledores teachings to Harry. She sacrificed herself to protect Harry. There was no ancient incantation, no detailed plan, she simply put herself and her life on the line for Harry. As any loving Mother would. That triggered the protection, "No greater love hath any man than to give his life for a brother..". To me, it was simple. Riddle had no concept of right and wrong, good and bad, love and hate.. "..and I feel sorry for you.." As Harry (in the movie OOTP) lay on the floor of the ministry racked with pain from Voldy's possession, he realized he was the stronger of the two, and need not fear Voldy anymore.. QED ;) For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. This post has been edited by Moose_Starr: Apr 12 2008, 10:32 AM
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Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM)  For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. I disagree. Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Apr 8 2008, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 8 2008, 12:23 AM) QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM) For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear. I disagree. Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. I think he definitely feared him, because if he hadn't he would have been foolish. He might have underestimated LV's power, and probably wouldn't have survived. This post has been edited by Moose_Starr: Apr 12 2008, 10:32 AM
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Apr 8 2008, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM) Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. I agree with harryottergeek2. And like Name Unknown said, he would have been foolish not to. An intelligent person knows when to be afraid of something. Harry definitely feared Voldemort, but he did everything he could to bring him down inspite of that fear and that's what makes him so wonderful. The determination that made him want to stop Voldemort at any cost, overcoming his worst fears, is remarkable to say the least.  In the UK version of PoA, his first thought of the thing that frightened him most was a powerful Voldemort, before he thought of the Dementors. Anger was there, after all, Voldemort murdered his parents, but it IMO didn't replace the fear to any extent, at least in cold blood. In the graveyard scene, Harry goes beyond fear or reason when he stands up and prepares to die fighting like his father. In DH, though, it seemed to me that Harry was more apprehensive about death than Voldemort when he set out to give himself up. I say this because his thoughts were more along the lines of whether dying would hurt rather than whether Voldemort hurt him. 
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Apr 8 2008, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 8 2008, 11:09 AM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM) Right from PS, Harry's insides go cold at the very thought of the possibility of LV coming back. In PoA, his - and Lupin's - first thought of what his boggart would be is LV. In GoF, his insides get cold at the very thought of LV once again - right after his dream - and once he realised what was happening in the graveyard scene, he wasn't exactly jumping for joy. So yes, Harry feared LV, which is why his decision to embrace the challenge of defeating LV rather than run away from it is so brave. At the same time, he his anger and hate for LV was also incredibly strong, so I so think it had an influence of his actions, but I don't think you can say they outweighed his fear. In the graveyard scene, Harry goes beyond fear or reason when he stands up and prepares to die fighting like his father. In DH, though, it seemed to me that Harry was more apprehensive about death than Voldemort when he set out to give himself up. I say this because his thoughts were more along the lines of whether dying would hurt rather than whether Voldemort hurt him. All of you bring up great points about Harry, his bravery and fear. One of my favorite scenes was the graveyard scene in GOF. I was really impressed with Harry: yes he was scared; but at one point he decided that he wasn't going to hide behind the gravestone anymore; he wasn't going to die a coward. And I am sure Harry didn't expect to survive either; but he came out fighting. I was so proud of him .
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 Apr 12 2008, 10:22 AM
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This interesting question was asked in The Biggest Unanswered Question thread, and has now been split off into its own thread.
Did Harry ever fear Voldemort? Lupin suggests that the only thing Harry fears is fear itself. Some say what LV feared most was love. These are two very contradictory responses in two very different people. What do you guys think? Let the theorizing and discussing continue in this shiny new thread 
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Apr 12 2008, 11:31 AM
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Ooooh! Interesting topic and so hard to actually decide which one.....
I think Harry was initially afraid of Voldermort when he first came into the wizarding world but I think in Deathly Hallows he saw Voldermort for the big talking evil coward he really was. He saw that Voldermort was missing out on so much in life by seeing love as a weakness and a thing to despise. I don't think Harry was afraid of Voldermort in the forest he knew after seeing his parents and friends that he was going to be safe and loved on the otherside as well as in the wizarding world, so after all that waffle yes and no! Yes to start with and no by the end! 
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Apr 12 2008, 11:39 AM
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Dumbledore's Personal Secretary Posts: 4,717 Joined: 10:28am December 31, 2006 Location: At a violin concert with my boss. |
QUOTE(Moose_Starr @ Apr 12 2008, 10:22 AM) Lupin suggests that the only thing Harry fears is fear itself. Some say what LV feared most was love. These are two very contradictory responses in two very different people. I love Remus' statement about fear. (In fact, I love everything about that man.) Coming to Harry, I'd have to agree with Remus, and not only because I like him, but because IMO he is absolutely right on that one. Harry never backed out of a challenge in his life; be it going on alone to stop Voldemort getting his hands on the Philosopher's Stone or facing the Basilisk or a Hungarian Horntail or anything else. He was terrified most of the time, but he never let that get in his way of doing what he felt was right. So, in a way, you could say that Harry first and foremost fought his fear and won over it in each and every situation before defeating the thing that caused that fear. In DH, Harry didn't want to die, but he accepted that it had to be done and went ahead and stood in front of Voldemort waiting to be killed after conquering his fear. That, like Dumbledore said, is something Voldemort has never been able to do. I can't say if Voldemort was afraid of love, but he certainly was afraid of death. That made him go to the horrible extent of making multiple Horcruxes to ensure he didn't die. He chose to evade the object of his fear instead of conquering the fear of the object. Voldemort concentrated on the cause of the fear - death and not the fear itself and that mistake made the fear grow and grow till it assumed gigantic proportions. He tried to hide that fear from others as well as himself by saying that he thought death was a weakness, but in reality, it was fear that was working from inside IMO. Pardon me if I bring Dumbledore into this, he forms the third category in my theory. Dumbledore chose to examine his feelings about death and through reflection and understanding, came to the conclusion that there is absolutely nothing to be feared from it, that is what he probably meant when he said, "To the well organised mind, death is but the next great adventure." Being wise, he knew that death comes to all and the wise man does not worry about it. So, we have Voldemort, who tried to avoid the cause of fear; Harry, who fought and defeated his fear; and Dumbledore, who used his wisdom to see beyond life and death. It is interesting to note that only the ones who could love and believed in the power of love could get over their fears. -------------------- |
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 Apr 12 2008, 12:16 PM
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I think Harry did fear Voldemort in a way because he feared what Voldemort could do if he gained power and what the world would become.
Voldemort as a person was far less frightening than the thought that one day someone could take over the ministry and take away everything he holds dear. Whoever this person might be!  So does Harry fear Voldemort himself I don't think so he fears the consequences of Voldemort's come back but anyone could take Voldemort's place and Harry would probably not fear them more. What a messy answer! 
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Apr 12 2008, 02:23 PM
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I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!).
Up until he had his chat with DD in limbo, I think Harry was afraid of LV in every respect; he knew that, even with all the Horcruxes destroyed, it would take a lot of skill to kill LV himself. However, once he realized he had a powerful weapon on his side (i.e. the Elder Wand's allegience), not to mention his comfort of knowing that his sacrifice was protecting the rest of the WW from LV, Harry had nothing left to fear in LV (well, his reasons for fearing LV were greatly diluted, anyway; he wasn't arrogant enough to think that his path to killing LV was clear-cut and easy - he still had to be brave enough to make one last stand against LV). -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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