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Did Harry ever fear Voldemort?, Did Harry ever fear anyone or anything?
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post Apr 7 2008, 02:11 PM
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Tom had no understanding of this concept. It was the foundation of Dumbledores teachings to Harry. She sacrificed herself to protect Harry. There was no ancient incantation, no detailed plan, she simply put herself and her life on the line for Harry. As any loving Mother would. That triggered the protection, "No greater love hath any man than to give his life for a brother..". To me, it was simple. Riddle had no concept of right and wrong, good and bad, love and hate.. "..and I feel sorry for you.." As Harry (in the movie OOTP) lay on the floor of the ministry racked with pain from Voldy's possession, he realized he was the stronger of the two, and need not fear Voldy anymore..

QED ;)

For that matter, did Harry EVER "FEAR" LV? I don't think he did, his anger outweighed his fear.

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post Apr 12 2008, 02:23 PM
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I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!).

Up until he had his chat with DD in limbo, I think Harry was afraid of LV in every respect; he knew that, even with all the Horcruxes destroyed, it would take a lot of skill to kill LV himself. However, once he realized he had a powerful weapon on his side (i.e. the Elder Wand's allegience), not to mention his comfort of knowing that his sacrifice was protecting the rest of the WW from LV, Harry had nothing left to fear in LV (well, his reasons for fearing LV were greatly diluted, anyway; he wasn't arrogant enough to think that his path to killing LV was clear-cut and easy - he still had to be brave enough to make one last stand against LV).


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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 08:23 PM) *
I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!).
I disagree. Harry is generally thinking clearly when in front of Voldemort which certainly isn't a sign of terror. When he goes to face Voldemort in the forest he is more afraid that his own resolve might crack rather than of facing Voldemort. If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest.


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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 03:39 PM) *
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 08:23 PM) *
I find the notion that Harry is more afraid of LV's return to power than LV himself interesting. It's true to an extent, but whenever Harry is faced with the prospect of facing LV in person, he's terrified (who can blame him?!).
I disagree. Harry is generally thinking clearly when in front of Voldemort which certainly isn't a sign of terror. When he goes to face Voldemort in the forest he is more afraid that his own resolve might crack rather than of facing Voldemort. If he was at all afraid of Voldemort he wouldn't have been able to walk to his own death in the forest.


By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave.

I also don't see how thinking clearly shows that Harry isn't afraid. You don't need to be fearless to think clearly, you need to be fearless to think critically. When Harry faces LV, he reacts intuitively, which is the result of either a) being in the situation before (i.e. you are acting based on past experience) or b) being afraid, causing you to do the first thing that comes to mind.


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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 09:37 PM) *
By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave.
Again I disagree. Being brave need have nothing to do with conquering fear, indeed quite a few people who win bravery awards didn't even think about the danger they were in when they did the act they won the award for.


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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 05:53 PM) *
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 09:37 PM) *
By that logic, Harry's actions would not be considered brave. Being brave means you face your fears no matter how afraid you are, so if it's impossible to do something despite your fear of it, no one could ever be brave.
Again I disagree. Being brave need have nothing to do with conquering fear, indeed quite a few people who win bravery awards didn't even think about the danger they were in when they did the act they won the award for.


Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart.

This is one of the definitions of bravery from dictionary.com. It doesn't specifically say conquering fear (not in so many words, anyway) but this is what it implies.


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QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 11:56 PM) *
Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart.
(bolding adjusted) Using your own definition, bravery need not have anything to do with being afraid because it can be "to encounter danger and difficulties ... without fear", which was the point I was making, so your argument about Harry needing to be afraid to be brave is invalid.

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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 07:38 PM) *
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 12 2008, 11:56 PM) *
Bravery: That quality of mind which enables one to encounter danger and difficulties with firmness, or without fear, or fainting of heart.
(bolding adjusted) Using your own definition, bravery need not have anything to do with being afraid because it can be "to encounter danger and difficulties ... without fear", which was the point I was making, so your argument about Harry needing to be afraid to be brave is invalid.


Sorry, I meant to say that even though the person committing a brave act does not have fear at the time, they need to have some level of fear of it before committing the act itself. Otherwise, the action is just that - an action. When you make the decision to read a book, you won't be considered brave for doing so unless you are somewhat anxious about reading it.

I'm not saying that the fear has to be extreme, it just has to be strong enough to allow the person to know that what they are doing is dangerous - at least from their own perspective(in the example of reading a book, the fear could involve being afraid of discovering information that you don't want to know). If you have absolutely no fear whatsoever of doing something, you won't regard that action as dangerous. Therefore, without some measure of fear, your actions themselves are not considered as ones that encounter danger.

In the case of Harry facing LV, he knows exactly how dangerous it is to do so (it's kinda common knowledge). Therefore, he has to have some level of fear of facing LV in order to recognize that the act of doing so is in fact dangerous. Considering how powerful LV was compared to the rest of the WW (save for DD), I'm sure that Harry's fear in this case wasn't exactly miniscule.


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- Godrick   Did Harry ever fear Voldemort?   Apr 7 2008, 02:11 PM
- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM) For...   Apr 7 2008, 10:23 PM
|- - Name Unknown   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 8 2008, 12:2...   Apr 8 2008, 06:06 AM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:2...   Apr 8 2008, 10:09 AM
- - lirene   QUOTE(rowena r @ Apr 8 2008, 11:09 AM) QU...   Apr 8 2008, 10:30 AM
- - Moose_Starr   This interesting question was asked in The Biggest...   Apr 12 2008, 10:22 AM
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- - grimwauld place   Ooooh! Interesting topic and so hard to actua...   Apr 12 2008, 11:31 AM
- - *lily_luna*   I think Harry did fear Voldemort in a way because ...   Apr 12 2008, 12:16 PM
|- - SnapesSister   QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 07:39 PM) QU...   Apr 12 2008, 02:56 PM
- - Azkaban's_Angel   QUOTE(Godrick @ Apr 7 2008, 03:11 PM) For...   Apr 12 2008, 03:03 PM
- - Godrick   One thing that occurs to me, and to borrow from th...   Apr 12 2008, 03:14 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 12 2008, 03:39 PM) If...   Apr 12 2008, 04:59 PM
- - Antonija   I think that Harry feared Voldemort a lot. And tha...   May 4 2008, 12:16 PM
|- - emmytbeers   QUOTE(Antonija @ May 4 2008, 12:16 PM) I ...   May 4 2008, 12:25 PM
- - Antonija   OK I will change that into he was afraid of Voldem...   May 4 2008, 12:30 PM
- - Gllysa   Harry feared Voldemort very much. His fear was for...   May 4 2008, 03:44 PM
- - pumpkinskull   Of course Harry's afraid of Voldemort. Someone...   May 4 2008, 05:36 PM
- - ickle firstie   ABSOLUTELY!! Of course Harry feared Voldem...   May 4 2008, 06:47 PM
- - Iheartprofessorsnape   QUOTE(Antonija @ May 4 2008, 12:30 PM) OK...   May 5 2008, 12:50 AM
- - The Niffler   I'm sure Harry feared Voldemort, even though h...   May 6 2008, 11:34 AM
- - Bradley   Yes and no, I think Harry was afraid of what was t...   May 12 2008, 05:50 AM
- - Overcast   I always saw it as Harry feared him, especially in...   May 12 2008, 10:25 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Overcast @ May 12 2008, 11:25 PM) I...   May 13 2008, 11:16 PM
- - Overcast   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ May 13 2008, 11...   May 14 2008, 11:31 AM
- - Lord Montymort   I think both feared each other to an extent. Volde...   May 14 2008, 12:03 PM
- - toffus   No, I don't think Harry ever feared Voldemort...   May 14 2008, 03:34 PM
- - DaisyRenee   I don't think it's possible to say that Ha...   May 14 2008, 11:42 PM
|- - Lord Montymort   QUOTE(DaisyRenee @ May 15 2008, 05:42 AM)...   May 15 2008, 06:43 AM
- - Duckies will save the World   I think it would be impossible that Harry didn...   May 15 2008, 03:55 PM
- - Ginnyous   I think that DD knew what he was doing when he too...   Jun 3 2008, 03:09 PM
|- - ginny_lola   QUOTE(Ginnyous @ Jun 3 2008, 04:09 PM) I ...   Jun 27 2008, 01:45 PM
- - phoenix call   I think Harry feared Voldemort a lot, he was full ...   Jun 27 2008, 01:51 PM
- - potterish10010   I think that Harry was scared of LV, but not as mu...   May 24 2009, 07:34 PM
- - horas1   Everyone who goes into battle is afraid. It is wh...   May 29 2009, 05:27 PM
- - BeAchL0veEr05   Yes, of course I think he feared LV. He feared dea...   Jun 13 2009, 02:21 PM
- - Hippogriff Lover   I'm sure that Harry did fear Lord Voldemort. ...   Jun 13 2009, 02:51 PM
- - AreYouAFirstYearToo?   I think Harry was petrified of LV, and can you bla...   Jun 23 2009, 03:29 PM
- - Jadguy   Arcee: I was afraid you'd be trapped outside t...   Jul 16 2009, 12:41 PM

 

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