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He loved her and lots of things about her, from her fiesty temper, to her prankster ways, to her prettiness, to her wit, to her compassionate nature.
Uhm... where exactly did he ever display any of this fondness (any of this huge perception of and interest in the human being Ginny, not in what is convenient for him about her) ?
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Harry was the victim of a hunting - by a murderous dark lord. He didn't want Ginny involved in that.
which has chauvinistic traits. It is her decision, and her's alone. Not letting her do something, even something dangerous, is oppressive (wanting to hold her back from the Hogwarts battle).
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he shared some stuff and not other stuff when they were off alone.
He "shared with her" what was convenient for him, and put up a barrier towards the things he didn't like in her.
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the only reason we got more about her than "Bill" or "Charlie" was because Harry liked her - loved her and then married her. That was her role in the book. Not a quester - not a tag along friend like Hermione - not a best buddy like Ron - but a girlfriend who went on to be best friend and wife.
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You've hit it on the nail !!
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I don't buy the idea that Harry deserved no wife just because his life was a disaster (being chased by Voldy and the DEs). But he did need someone who was understanding,
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Every man who puts his career first needs an understanding wife. (the Voldy-hunting is metaphorical here)
"And she would be a demanding nag"
Very telling that a girl who is not all-convenient is immediatly viewed as a nag and as totally unconvienient, in fact, as totally horrible and menacing to the man's person, and all the other degrading things you said about girls who are individuals with personal whishes.
"One doesn't go looking for someone who is plain, unpopular and disagrees with their every move. That just makes no sense to me." (bold mine)
Of course it doesn't. As a male apparently accustomed, like many men, to girls agreeing with their every move. It is no surprise so many men fancy Ginny in this thread.
"The Harry POV argument is to explain why HARRY started noticing Ginny. Why she suddenly became attractive to him (although JKR gave them a summer together so it wasn't so sudden - we were not invited). All we had was Harry's POV. Now prior to Harry noticing her, it was evident other guys were noticing her. She was already popular - that is why Pansy claimed Blaise had an eye for her. Ya see, when Ginny came around, Blaise would start his posing or whatever he did - and Pansy noticed, so she accused. Dean and Michael also found Ginny attractive prior to Harry coming to the party. And pretty people can be popular, just like uncombly people. That is just a fun, nice, talented (in some way - even if just at telling jokes) pleasant person to be around - regardless of looks. So I think a mountain is being made of a mole hill here with Ginny. Her personality did not change other than her natural maturity. What changed was Harry's perception and that is what WE read. We have no idea when other guys started to find her attractive because Harry doesn't know and he is our information boat."
Her looks are clearly getting hugely emphasized in HBP (this is not only a question of quantity). Why? Even Draco, a very demanding and pampered little boy, admits it. And I think Pansy says something about there being many boys lately finding her pretty, "even you Draco", or something like that.
"You want them to be at one another's throats like Ron and Hermione? That is only one type of relationship. I hate arguing all the time, so that type would not work for me, for instance"
Surely it wouldn't. If you're considering an independant, individual woman as someone who goes at your throat. See what you're saying here? That a woman who doesn't accept everything, is immediatly a complete psycho attacking your person, a horrible disgusting weirdo (as you clearly suggested). You don't seem to have a concept of what "an independent, individual woman" means.
"Harry says something about her, then quickly adds 'ugly though' "
As so many guys who want to just get you going with them or keeping you adoring them in order to get from you what they want, however how. This is about HIS interests, not about HERS.
"where she stays in the RoR but at her first opportunity she's out of there"
And I'm relieved she went. What I'm not relieved about, though, is that she stayed with a man who tries to withhold her from doing things she wants to do, like she were his child, and not supporting her in her activities. (metaphorically speaking)
"People who are friends tend to laugh at each others jokes. " (bold mine)
Exactly.
"Actually Lily LUNA Potter, thank you very much."
Luna is not related exclusively to Ginny's biography, but equally to Harry's, if not more to his, seeing as Ginny wasn't there in the Malfoy-cellar-scene and then at Shell Cottage. It was most likely Harry's choice too.
PS: (this and my previous posts are in response to comments from the first thread on the topic, page 50)
This post has been edited by WalnutWandCarrier: May 10 2009, 02:54 PM
May 10 2009, 08:10 AM
