How Do You Make A Horcrux?, Ideas and theories... |
 Aug 1 2006, 10:36 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 128 Joined: 12:36pm June 29, 2006 Location: Chillin' by the fire in the Gryffindor common room  |
I don't think you could make infinite Horcruxes. If creating one tears a piece of your soul off then as you make more you loose more and more of your soul, so while technically you could continue ripping smaller and smaller pieces of your soul off, practically the pieces would be so small that they would barely even be your soul. And the piece left in you would be so small that it would be like a dementor had kissed you. So you would no longer be evil, you would just be dead inside.
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Aug 1 2006, 06:27 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 38 Joined: 3:43pm February 2, 2006 Location: New York City |
On a purely mathematical level, you can make an argument for or against the possibility of creating infinite number of horcruxes.
On one hand, assuming that the soul is splitting in half each time, each horcrux would be half as powerful as the last, so the series would go: 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 ..... etc Now, on this level, that would mean that no matter how many times you split it, there would be some finite level of soul left in the horcrux. Now, using a precalc/calc based analysis, one could say that beyond a certain point, the amount of soul in each horcrux is so infinitesimally small that it limits to zero, and you can no longer make any more horcruxes. I tend to stick with the first interpretation, however I tend to think that at some point, the quality of life you get with such a small amount of soul left inside you would be bad enough that even Voldy would stop at that point. -------------------- "Nobody's ever asked me to a party before, as a friend. Is that why you've dyed your eyebrow? Should I do mine too?"
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Aug 2 2006, 01:18 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 128 Joined: 12:36pm June 29, 2006 Location: Chillin' by the fire in the Gryffindor common room |
PotionsmasterAndy thank you so much for that mathematical explanation of dividing the soul. It was incredibly awsome!
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Aug 3 2006, 09:16 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 106 Joined: 11:06am February 28, 2006 |
QUOTE(Voldypants @ Aug 2 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]900821[/snapback] ... I think that when you make a horcrux, you have to have a certain state of mind. You have to have evil or dark intentions. ... I agree with you. It would be logical if the creator of a horcrux has to be in the right mood to succesfully accomplish his mission. Remember the "Moody" DADA-lessons. He says that he probably wouldn't get more than a bloody nose from any of the students trying to perform an avada kedavra on him. He went on to explain that very dark magic (as in my opinion any advanced magic) has to be performed with not just the spell (and wand movement), but with the down right intention to actually have something happen to the person/object. This makes the creation of a horcrux also much more evil than the avada kedavra. It is done for selfish reasons only - to kill with the intention to cheat death yourself. By taking this one step further it is also probable that you have to perform the avada kedavra with the intention to create a horcrux. I doubt that you could create a horcrux as an afterthought ("Oh, now that I've killed soandso, let's make a horcrux"). This, in my mind, makes it also improbable that LV could have made a horcrux out of Harry. I tend to believe that he wanted to create his last (6th) horcrux by killing Harry. Therefore he wouldn't have intended to create a horcrux from the kills of James or Lilly. The items we can be certain of are necessary in the creation of a horcrux are:
There are large blanks for the rime frame. There is no mention that the object (the actual horcrux) must be created immediately after the kill. Is the time limited? How is the part of the soul transfered to the object? Similar to the thoughts in case of the pensieve? In PS/CS Snape starts his first lesson with the mention that an accomplished potionsmaster can put a stopper in death. Is this an early clue that the creation of a horcrux involves an intricate potion? The placement of protective spells on horcruxes in my mind hints to a relatively easy destruction of the part of the soul encased in the object. It may even be as easy as altering the state of the item (for example bending it). In my recollection DD states that anyone and anything can be mad a horcrux, but that LV has only taken valuables to ensure that even if they fall 'into the wrong hands' it probably would stay intact due to their pricelesness. Anyone would be carefull with the original locket just for its monetairy value. By protecting it further with extremely dark magic enchantments and spells the probability of the horcrux being destroyed is virtually non-existent. I've babled long enough... |
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Aug 5 2006, 09:03 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 408 Joined: 3:22pm August 10, 2005 Location: Hermione's handbag  |
QUOTE(PotionsMasterAndy @ Aug 1 2006, 07:27 PM) [snapback]900802[/snapback] assuming that the soul is splitting in half each time, each horcrux would be half as powerful as the last, so the series would go: 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 ..... etc This is a rather large assumption. Slughorn told Riddle that "killing rips the soul apart" as oppossed to rips the soul in half. If Voldemort was planning on a seven part soul from the very beginning, he might have arranged to split it into seven equal parts. -------------------- Now, if you will excuse me, I have better things to do than to listen to adolesent agonizing
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Aug 6 2006, 11:33 PM
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Newest Housekeeper at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 748 Joined: 12:25pm June 5, 2006 Location: First floor of the ivory tower |
QUOTE(Professor_Nigellus @ Aug 5 2006, 07:03 AM) [snapback]904315[/snapback] If Voldemort was planning on a seven part soul from the very beginning, he might have arranged to split it into seven equal parts. He's killed way more than 7 people, though--he only uses the 'special' murders for horcrux fodder, according to Dumbledore. I think the take home lesson is that every time you kill, you damage your soul. This inherent damage is what Voldemort is able to exploit to generate horcruxes and secure his immortality. As such, I don't think the soul has to be equally divided, but now we're back at the 'how much is enough'? question again. Presumably he would like to keep as much of his (albeit exceedingly fractured) soul in his body--how does he quantify the minimum amount of soul required for making an effective horcrux? -------------------- "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"
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Aug 7 2006, 12:21 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 22 Joined: 5:13pm June 6, 2006 Location: At the Library Studying! |
QUOTE(Alewyn @ Aug 3 2006, 06:16 AM) [snapback]902321[/snapback] QUOTE(Voldypants @ Aug 2 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]900821[/snapback] I have to agree with you. The idea that LV created a horocrux in Harry is far fetched. But I don't think he intended to creat one from Lily as it is told that he didn't want to kill Lily. Whatever LV's ultamate goal was at the Potter's house it got spoiled when Lily gave her life for Harry's. I do think that 7 horcrux might have been the goal for LV. |
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Aug 7 2006, 02:55 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 147 Joined: 9:54pm October 4, 2005 |
QUOTE(Hermoine in training @ Aug 7 2006, 05:21 PM) [snapback]906160[/snapback] I do think that 7 horcrux might have been the goal for LV. No, no, no. LV was not trying to create seven horcruxes. He was trying to create a seven part SOUL. Which means six horcruxes, the seventh bit is the part still left in his body. Seven horcruxes would mean that he would have an eight part soul. -------------------- If the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right and what is easy
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Aug 8 2006, 07:50 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 112 Joined: 1:56pm September 12, 2005 |
Thats right. in fact DD says that the seventh part of LVs souls resides in LV himself.
so there are six horcruxes NOT seven THe known ones are the diary and the ring, and that leaves one from each of three of the founders as gryffindors objects have remained untouched, and then one more horcrux. |
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Aug 11 2006, 11:08 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 4:50pm August 7, 2006 |
I don't feel that the chronology of creation of horcruxes will come into play. Let's assume that that in the Sluggish Memory that Marvolo's ring that Tom Riddle is wearing is horcrux #1. Dd suggests that Tom is asking Slughorn if more than one horcrux can be made so I am guessing that the ring has already been made into one. (which begs the question of how did Tom find out how to make it one which I believe is being addressed in another thread.) That would most likely make the diary H. #2 since he doesn't get his hands on Slytherin's locket and Hufflepuffs cup until after he has left Hogwarts. Harry destroys the diary back in CoS and Dd doesn't dehorcuxify the ring until the summer between OotP and HBP.
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