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Hunting?, Is hunting okay or not?

Amaterasu View Member Profile	Jan 7 2009, 11:38 PM Post #1
Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 52 Joined: 6:09pm December 31, 2007	What are your views on hunting? I strongly urge everyone to check out this article, called Conserving Hunters, which appeared in the November 2007 issue of National Geographic. It's a really fascinating article; be warned that if you're adamantly against hunting you'll probably disagree with much of what it says (being on such an hot topic there was a lot of response to the article, as seen in the Letters section of the March 2008 issue). Regardless of your position it's excellent and should be a nice basis for some discussion, beyond the initial question. Here are the links they provide to the websites of groups mentioned in the article, such as Ducks Unlimited. Here are some other NG articles that have something to do with hunting if you're at all interested. I'm very excited to hear what you think about it. I for one am okay with hunting. While yes, hunting can be bad for the animals hunted in some cases, but in countries like the US, I'd say we've learned a lot from mistakes in the past. While they're not perfect, the laws we have in place do work to make it so that the limited hunting that is allowed helps the environment. Because many hunters are very passionate about the land and the wildlife their efforts to aid in conservation are very important. Obviously they aren't all hunters. When someone gets into the area of illegally killing some animals or even legally hunting an animal, yet purposely allowing it to suffer more and go through extra pain and distress, I have a problem. While such things are a problem everywhere to some degree, I'm thankful that in America we have laws that allow hunters and animals to live (and die, I guess) in harmony.

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Love4Fawkes View Member Profile	Jan 8 2009, 09:52 PM Post #11
Camping in the room of requirement Posts: 1,724 Joined: 8:56pm August 11, 2005 Location: Enjoying the small peice of Fred and George's swamp at Hogwarts	I do not think that the urban areas around DC would appreciate large predators being introduced to control the deer population, but the population sure is out of control around here! I also highly doubt anyone hunts. Major problems. Anyway, IMO controlled hunting is OK. The meat doesn't usually go to waste. All the hunters I know either eat the meat themselves or give it to friends. Some sell it. When a deer is hit by a car and left by the side of the road, the deer dies, the meat goes to waste, and a car is damaged. It is lose, lose. Other animals are also hunted. It probably doesn't boil down to population control as much with other animals (although I think wild turkeys are bound to take over Maine), but the act of hunting them provides food. Admittedly, this is not the only reason people hunt. Some enjoy it, but isn't that part of our animal make-up. All predators hunt. Most humans eat meat, that makes us predators. It is part of the natural order of things. I only have a problem with hunting when it begins to endanger a species. Hunting animals at risk for extinction is wrong. We have no right to effect the world that much. We regularly effect it more than our right as it is. -------------------- Avatar is an oldie but goodie from Strix Witch Icons (livejournal)

Isabel View Member Profile	Jan 8 2009, 10:09 PM Post #12
Knockturn Alley Fingernail Vendor Posts: 779 Joined: 12:04am June 2, 2006 Location: In Uruguay's Wizarding School (i wish :P)	Ok I do understand all the deers problems now. I still don't think it's a good reason for hunting, as I see it, we are not the ones who have to decide if these animals will live or die, there has to be another solution, so we'll agree to disagree on this one As for hunting for food, well I already said I'm ok with it. Is the hunting for fun or as a result of overcrowded heards (sp?) of animals I dont feel it's ok. "Hunting animals at risk for extinction is wrong. We have no right to effect the world that much. We regularly effect it more than our right as it is." That's so true love4fawkes. And I wouldn't say just wrong, I actually belive these people should be prosecuted as murderers. -------------------- Wanna meet other HP fans from ALL over the world? Check out the best interactive HP related chat room: chamberofchat.com. Get in there now!!!

DorisTLC View Member Profile	Jan 8 2009, 11:02 PM Post #13
Waiting for Wednesdays Posts: 9,229 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes	Isabel I live in South Texas. Here, because of several factors we're overrun with deer, wild turkey and feral hogs. Each of these animals is so overpopulated in our area many of the animals starve. Doe have to abandon fawns who don't survive to look for food, the animals move into neighborhoods looking for food just to get hit by cars or to spread diseases like lyme disease. Some of these animals suffer and die from starvation because the heards are too large. Feral hogs are a huge problem here. Right now they will come into neighborhoods and run at children in the street looking for food. The hogs also root around crops looking for grubs and will tear up crops and ruins acres of corn, soybeans or rice in one night. They've been none to carry rabies. Turkeys - well I actually think they are beautiful, 'till they decide to stand in the street and not let you get to work! They also wake me up in the morning! Cute, but a bit annoying. The turkey population is also overcrowded. Again, animals starve in the winters and often a young Tom or hen will be abandoned because there is not enough food. I know it seems really cruel to kill them, but we do live in a culture where meat is consumed. Many people feel that farming animals the way we do is cruel because it means the animal has to live in a pen all its life. (This is a link to an article about animals in pens) Hunters normally help by taking out the smaller, weaker and often inferior animals. A good hunter is trained to quickly kill the animal so it doesn't suffer. I've never watched my kids hunt, but I know they have all told me the animal never suffers. Before they were allowed their first shot they had to hit a moving target from 100 yards dead on. Most hunters I know are like that. They only take a small amount from the heard, they feed the remaining heard to help them thrive during the winter months and they use what they take for food. -------------------- My Avon Breast Cancer Walk Page and Blog! I'm In It to End It!

Tiby312 View Member Profile	Jan 9 2009, 12:33 AM Post #14
Shopping for a New Firebolt Posts: 809 Joined: 4:31am June 18, 2007	The animal never suffers? Isn't death is the ultimate suffering? I mean how much better would you feel if someone just sliced your head right off instead of stabbing you to death? Either way you wouldn't be too happy. Even if you do not believe that death is suffering in itself, unless you can pull off a head shot every time with a bullet that is faster than the nerve speeds in your brain (even then I'm doubtful), the prey is gonna suffer. So I think the claim your kids make that the animal never suffers is incorrect, and that the prey actually always suffers, and the best a hunter can do is to try to minimize that suffering. This post has been edited by Tiby312: Jan 9 2009, 05:33 AM -------------------- -Roses are #FF0000, Violets are #0000FF. All my base Are belong to you. -My HP wallpaper gallery on deviantART- -My Houndbite Piano Profile-

chloe squibbulus View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 12:01 AM Post #15
Sundae-Nut-Chopper at Florean Fortescue's Posts: 921 Joined: 10:41pm March 2, 2007 Location: Entering the Ministry of Magic	QUOTE(Tiby312 @ Jan 9 2009, 12:33 AM) The animal never suffers? Isn't death is the ultimate suffering? I mean how much better would you feel if someone just sliced your head right off instead of stabbing you to death? Either way you wouldn't be too happy. Even if you do not believe that death is suffering in itself, unless you can pull off a head shot every time with a bullet that is faster than the nerve speeds in your brain (even then I'm doubtful), the prey is gonna suffer. So I think the claim your kids make that the animal never suffers is incorrect, and that the prey actually always suffers, and the best a hunter can do is to try to minimize that suffering. I have to agree with you on this one Tiby312. I feel generally that many have a disregard for the suffering of animals when they are hunted. I think you are right to pose the question whether or not we would like to be hunted and killed (for population control). I might recommend reading Heart of Darkness (Joseph Conrad) for that perspective. I have heard the population control reason cited by hunters I have met before too. I just don't think its a good justification. It just seems like an excuse to me. I have to agree with Isabel also and her sentiments. I don't think humans should assume to have the right to control all the other life on the planet and to decide when a group is over-populated or not. I agree that when a population is too high and the animals are starving it is also sad and that they suffer, but its at least more natural just to let nature control the population. Part of the reason these populations are so out of balance is that their habitats have been altered by humans. I think humans are way over-populated. Does it follow that we should be allowed licenses to kill some and keep the population in check? This post has been edited by chloe squibbulus: Jan 10 2009, 12:04 AM -------------------- "I would like to say a few words. Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! And now before we go to bed, let us sing the school song! Everyone pick their favorite tune...and off we go!" Dumbledore; Sorcerer's Stone.

wheezy's_gal View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 06:27 AM Post #16
Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 42 Joined: 11:28pm July 10, 2005	Hunting is okay for predators in the wild to maintain the balance of nature. Also for natives or aborigines who have limited sources of food. And for others, I guess it depends on the situation - its justified in some but definitely, hunting just for "fun" is one the most cruel things in the world IMHO!

fidelia View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 05:27 PM Post #17
Ollivander's Apprentice Posts: 2,176 Joined: 7:39pm March 11, 2007 Location: wandering in the Forbidden Forest, listening for the Phoenix song	Is hunting OK? Well, perhaps if the fight were more even than allowing people rigged out with advanced weaponry, hunting gear, warm clothes and coats which allow them perfect comfort to go after animals, I'd consider the "sport" more balanced. Now, if hunters were unclothed, unarmed, alone in the woods, and functioned at a fraction of their IQ, well, then, the fight would be fair.....Anyone up for that????? This post has been edited by fidelia: Jan 10 2009, 05:28 PM --------------------

chloe squibbulus View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 05:33 PM Post #18
Sundae-Nut-Chopper at Florean Fortescue's Posts: 921 Joined: 10:41pm March 2, 2007 Location: Entering the Ministry of Magic	QUOTE(fidelia @ Jan 10 2009, 05:27 PM) Is hunting OK? Well, perhaps if the fight were more even than allowing people rigged out with advanced weaponry, hunting gear, warm clothes and coats which allow them perfect comfort to go after animals, I'd consider the "sport" more balanced. Now, if hunters were unclothed, unarmed, alone in the woods, and functioned at a fraction of their IQ, well, then, the fight would be fair.....Anyone up for that????? Yep. I'm in. haha That would be survival of the fittest on an evolutionary plane. I know that even hunting could be viewed as a 'well, we're the fittest, so if we kill others, its our right.' I just don't subscribe to this. I think since we are 'supposedly' (and probably) more intelligent, we ought to see the value that other animals and their habitats have, and how that contributes to our world. I think that by killing off animals and making the world our own little oyster, we will diminish the beauty and diversity of the planet and ultimately make it a worse place to live for all life, including our own human lives. (I also happen to believe that humans may be the only species who kills other things just for 'fun'...although cats of all sizes are a bit of an exception. But they don't kill on the same scale that we do, and they seem to kill for food most of the time.) This post has been edited by chloe squibbulus: Jan 10 2009, 05:37 PM -------------------- "I would like to say a few words. Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! And now before we go to bed, let us sing the school song! Everyone pick their favorite tune...and off we go!" Dumbledore; Sorcerer's Stone.

fidelia View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 08:05 PM Post #19
Ollivander's Apprentice Posts: 2,176 Joined: 7:39pm March 11, 2007 Location: wandering in the Forbidden Forest, listening for the Phoenix song	QUOTE(Tiby312 @ Jan 9 2009, 12:33 AM) The animal never suffers? Isn't death is the ultimate suffering? I mean how much better would you feel if someone just sliced your head right off instead of stabbing you to death? Either way you wouldn't be too happy. Even if you do not believe that death is suffering in itself, unless you can pull off a head shot every time with a bullet that is faster than the nerve speeds in your brain (even then I'm doubtful), the prey is gonna suffer. Oh, just along these lines, go and google/read David Foster Wallace's "Consider the Lobster". This essay, written for Gourmet Magazine at the Maine Lobster Festival, is beyond brilliant, and makes the point on animal suffering, and on human murder of animals for gustatory pleasure. Yep, that man had a radical influence upon my life with his soaring prose and unique perspective.....2 months later, I embraced vegetarianism. Too bad his genius was cut tragically short. --------------------

chloe squibbulus View Member Profile	Jan 10 2009, 08:23 PM Post #20
Sundae-Nut-Chopper at Florean Fortescue's Posts: 921 Joined: 10:41pm March 2, 2007 Location: Entering the Ministry of Magic	I will have to find that and read it fidelia. I also turned mostly vegetarian a few years ago (although I do eat fish occasionally). Its hard for me to find a good line to draw on that really. I don't think we need to eat meat for any reason really, but animals are killed for many other reasons too. Are we saving enough animals by not eating them or must we eliminate all animal byproducts too? For example, leather. It gets harder and harder to adhere to the no animals or animal byproducts code. I do what I can. Although I am not convinced that being vegan necessarily accomplishes much. Milk and milk byproducts as well as eggs seem like more natural foods and don't necessarily harm the animal that provides them. I realize that some animals are killed for food in some parts of the world, but I don't think most people who live in industrialized nations can really claim that hunting is saving them money and that they need to hunt to survive. This post has been edited by chloe squibbulus: Jan 10 2009, 11:56 PM -------------------- "I would like to say a few words. Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak! And now before we go to bed, let us sing the school song! Everyone pick their favorite tune...and off we go!" Dumbledore; Sorcerer's Stone.

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