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Jane Austen, Emma, and Emmeline Vance, Other Austen parallels?
PAM2002
post Dec 8 2005, 12:26 PM
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"I love a good whodunnit and my passion is plot construction. Readers loved to be tricked, but not conned," Rowling says, warming to her theme. "The best twist ever in literature is in Jane Austen's Emma. To me she is the target of perfection at which we shoot in vain."

I bring this quote here to ask a silly question. If Emma is her favorite book, and she loves plot twists, could Emmeline Vance's murder give us a clue about something? I decided this was a more literary question, rather than speculation about Emmeline Vance's actual present condition.

I feel there may be something to Emmeline-little Emma. I probably wouldn't question it if Snape had not claimed some part of it and we have no way of knowing whether he did or not. Other things he speaks of at Spinner's End, we can argue his meaning but this seems to have stumped many people.

Would JKR use Emma's namesake as a way of indicating a plot twist?  I'm not at all suggesting there was anything Emma-like about the character. I just feel like it's a marker, a clue, an indication of something.

I also thought, if anyone wanted to weigh in on other Austen characters and their similarities, or differences, this might be a good place to put it.


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- PAM2002   Jane Austen, Emma, and Emmeline Vance   Dec 8 2005, 12:26 PM
- - madamros   Hello PAM2002 :wave: Not sure about Emmeline Vance...   Dec 8 2005, 01:13 PM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(PAM2002 @ Dec. 08 2005,12:26 ) "I ...   Dec 11 2005, 11:42 AM
- - Spectrespecs   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Dec. 11 2005,5...   Dec 11 2005, 12:35 PM
- - PAM2002   "I love a good whodunnit and my passion is pl...   Dec 12 2005, 08:36 AM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(PAM2002 @ Dec. 12 2005,08:36 ) I'm...   Dec 12 2005, 10:26 AM
- - madamros   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Dec. 12 2005,1...   Dec 12 2005, 12:26 PM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(madamros @ Dec. 08 2005,13:13 ) Then t...   Dec 13 2005, 11:29 AM
- - madamros   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Dec. 13 2005,1...   Dec 13 2005, 05:53 PM
- - madamros   One other similarity between Henry Crawford and Se...   Dec 16 2005, 04:23 AM
|- - cjopbj   QUOTE(madamros @ Dec 16 2005, 09:23 AM) 5...   Sep 26 2006, 09:00 PM
|- - madamros   QUOTE(cjopbj @ Sep 27 2006, 03:00 AM) 960...   Sep 27 2006, 02:35 AM
- - Arithmancer   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Dec. 11 2005,1...   Dec 16 2005, 01:04 PM
- - madamros   QUOTE(Arithmancer @ Dec. 16 2005,13:04 ) Som...   Dec 17 2005, 11:19 AM
- - Spectrespecs   I'm in the middle of watching the BBC TV serie...   Dec 18 2005, 04:19 PM
- - madamros   QUOTE(Spectrespecs @ Dec. 18 2005,16:19 ) I...   Dec 19 2005, 05:46 PM
- - madamros   Back to Emma. Of course, another similarity betwee...   Jan 26 2006, 02:16 PM
- - fluffy333   i'm not quite sure where this thread is headed...   Jan 26 2006, 06:11 PM
- - madamros   OK, Fluffy333 here is my brief synopsis of three...   Jan 27 2006, 06:50 AM
- - madamros   OK, more Austem summaries - part II Starting with...   Jan 28 2006, 08:08 AM
- - LadyOfTheSilent   I am a big fan of Jane Austen novels but actually ...   Jan 28 2006, 09:04 AM
- - fluffy333   thanks, madamros, for your efforts.   i haven...   Feb 7 2006, 08:20 PM
- - madamros   QUOTE(LadyOfTheSilent @ Jan. 28 2006,09:04 ) ...   Feb 9 2006, 05:24 AM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(fluffy333 @ Feb. 07 2006,20:20 ) those...   Feb 9 2006, 06:15 AM
- - madamros   QUOTE(fluffy333 @ Feb. 07 2006,20:20 ) those...   Feb 10 2006, 07:29 AM
- - madamros   Back to Emma, and I have just finished re-reading ...   Feb 19 2006, 05:22 PM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(madamros @ Feb. 19 2006,17:22 ) Back to...   Feb 26 2006, 09:54 AM
- - madamros   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Feb. 26 2006,0...   Feb 26 2006, 10:18 AM
- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(madamros @ Feb. 26 2006,10:18 ) I supp...   Mar 2 2006, 05:45 AM
- - madamros   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Mar. 02 2006,0...   Mar 2 2006, 07:51 AM
|- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(madamros @ Mar 2 2006, 12:51 PM) 73...   Mar 5 2006, 01:17 PM
- - Mandy Battlestations   Here's another parallel between Jane Austen...   Sep 4 2006, 03:12 PM
|- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(Mandy Battlestations @ Sep 4 2006, 08...   Sep 4 2006, 04:19 PM
|- - Mandy Battlestations   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Sep 4 2006, 03...   Sep 4 2006, 06:07 PM
|- - madamros   QUOTE(Mandy Battlestations @ Sep 5 2006, 12...   Sep 5 2006, 02:14 AM
|- - Mandy Battlestations   QUOTE(madamros @ Sep 5 2006, 01:14 AM) 93...   Sep 7 2006, 11:04 PM
|- - madamros   QUOTE(Mandy Battlestations @ Sep 8 2006, 05...   Sep 8 2006, 06:23 AM
- - Shard   Check the Black family tree and you can see that S...   Sep 7 2006, 11:32 PM
- - Shard   I guess the reason there it hasn't been import...   Sep 8 2006, 06:38 AM
- - Saint_Helga   QUOTE(madamros @ Dec 8 2005, 10:13 AM) 56...   Sep 19 2006, 12:47 PM
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|- - You_won't_know_who   QUOTE(madamros @ Sep 20 2006, 08:48 PM) 9...   Sep 21 2006, 02:31 PM
- - You_won't_know_who   Oh Saint_Helga. a balm on my soul - I've never...   Sep 19 2006, 03:38 PM
- - PAM2002   The one thing though, she definitely warped people...   Sep 19 2006, 04:24 PM
- - Saint_Helga   QUOTE(You_won't_know_who @ Sep 19 2006, 1...   Sep 19 2006, 06:39 PM
- - cjopbj   Thanks. Mansfield Park. No wonder I didn't r...   Sep 27 2006, 09:32 AM
- - madamros   Had a thought this moring (just the one, too early...   Oct 30 2006, 08:18 AM
- - Lesley00   QUOTE(madamros @ Oct 30 2006, 08:18 AM) 9...   Nov 4 2006, 11:23 PM
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- - Lesley00   QUOTE(madamros @ Nov 5 2006, 03:25 AM) 99...   Nov 5 2006, 05:33 PM
- - firephoenix   QUOTE(Lesley00 Posted Today @ 04:33 PM) I ju...   Nov 5 2006, 11:07 PM
|- - madamros   QUOTE(firephoenix @ Nov 6 2006, 04:07 AM)...   Nov 6 2006, 06:20 AM
- - Nadavi   Didn't really read the rest of the topic, only...   Nov 5 2006, 11:12 PM
- - firephoenix   QUOTE(madamros Posted Today @ 05:20 AM ) Sir...   Nov 6 2006, 10:42 PM
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|- - firephoenix   QUOTE(Lesley00 @ Nov 8 2006, 07:40 PM) 10...   Nov 8 2006, 11:06 PM
- - PAM2002   Hi all, I apologizing for interrupting the specifi...   Nov 9 2006, 07:43 AM
- - madamros   One of the themes of Jane Austen's works, apar...   Mar 25 2007, 07:05 AM
- - Lesley00   QUOTE(madamros @ Mar 25 2007, 08:05 AM) 1...   Mar 25 2007, 03:31 PM
- - madamros   QUOTE(Lesley00 @ Mar 25 2007, 09:31 PM) 1...   Mar 25 2007, 04:43 PM


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