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Continue the discussion about Lexicon Steve and the pending lawsuit vs. JK Rowling and Warner Brothers here. Part II of this discussion can be found here.

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QUOTE(davidenglish @ Jan 4 2008, 05:29 AM) *
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Who is RDR? And why would a single person be stupid enough to take on JK Rowling and Warner Brothers?
RDR Books, which I presume is named after owner Roger Rapoport, is the publisher who wants to print the book version of the HP Lexicon. RDR Books is a tiny publishing house from Muskegon, MI, a stone's throw from where Steve Vander Ark was living. RDR apparently grossed about $100K last year, which would make it a very small press indeed.

Although it seems Rapoport read a story about the Lexicon in August and approached SVA about a book, Steve has said recently that he had been trying to discuss a book version of the HPL with WB/JKR as early as the spring of this year. Why he would sign with a tiny press that couldn't even afford to pay him an advance on royalties is a mystery.

The American doctrine of Fair Use (and the Commonwealth concept of Fair Dealing to a lesser extent) does allow books of academic criticism and scholarly review. The website contains far too much directly quoted and paraphrased material, as well as trademarked images, to pass a test of Fair Use. However, the proposed book is not the website "verbatim" as RDR initially claimed, but only about a third of the website's material.

So, the big question we're waiting to see resolved is whether the abridged and expurgated manuscript that RDR handed over to WB/JKR manages to meet the definition of Fair Use. Will WB/JKR object to it entirely? Will they merely object to parts of it and suggest changes? It'll all be clearer in five weeks time.

Of course, Roger Rapoport might be crazy like a fox. The lawsuit certainly garnered more publicity than he could ever have hoped to generate by normal PR. The downside is that he has to succeed or he faces financial ruin. WB/JKR have said they aren't interested in a monetary award, but RDR has sold foreign rights to Britain, Canada, France and Australia. And those publishers aren't likely to be so generous to Mr Rapoport for getting them into this fix.

And, sadly, each player in this tragicomedy has their own vested interest. Rapoport's is different from SVA's, JKR's from WB's, and Stanford's FUP's interest is different from RDR's. And, of course, Fandom has divided on the issue and is worried about the future of fansites. It's a terrible mess and one wishes SVA had talked more openly about it to his friends and colleagues in Fandom before he signed a contract. This business just gives the impression of SVA as being something of a loner and outside of the mainstream fandom, which comes as a surprise to many.

Nice summary, davidenglish. smile.gif You're right that RDR may be banking on the court case acting as free publicity, but as you mentioned earlier, if they manage to prove that the book does not infringe copyright, they'll probably also be proving that the $25 book is not quite as useful a tool as the free website, which may decrease their customer base. It's a double edged sword Rapoport is playing with, and I hope he knows how to use it more skillfully than we suspect, or he and all his employees may be facing some serious financial consequences.


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I just found something that might be of some interest here, as long as we're discussing copyright issues.

Members of the American Library Association get regular emails with links to news stories, blogs, and research studies that affect the library field. In today's email there was a link to a blogger called 'Brary Web Diva, who posted the results of her survey on library worker knowledge of copyright. It's pretty interesting, and it reminded me of some of the things we've been discussing here.

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QUOTE(DaisyRenee @ Jan 4 2008, 07:01 AM) *
Nice summary, davidenglish. You're right that RDR may be banking on the court case acting as free publicity, but as you mentioned earlier, if they manage to prove that the book does not infringe copyright, they'll probably also be proving that the $25 book is not quite as useful a tool as the free website, which may decrease their customer base. It's a double edged sword Rapoport is playing with, and I hope he knows how to use it more skillfully than we suspect, or he and all his employees may be facing some serious financial consequences.
Thanks, DaisyRenee. And thanks as well to Roonwit, Vicky and fer_keeper. You are all too kind. wub.gif

I admit to being perplexed by RDR's behaviour. SVA said in his most recent comment on this case that he hadn't been paid an advance and didn't think he'd make that much money off of the book sales. So, what then would be a cost/benefit analysis of this book?

RDR said, and I found it odd, that they had planned to do only an initial 5000 copy printrun of the book. Well, that's improbable. I'd have guessed between 50,000 and 100,000 copies. That assumes healthy sales to public and school libraries and sales to the hardcore fanbase. And then there's SVA's lecture circuit which should generate sales as well.

Consider 5000 copies @ $25 less 40% wholesale discount = gross income of $75,000. The printing cost is likely to eat up a third of that and the author's royalties would range from $7,500 to $12,500. multiply by ten to get the figures for sales of 50,000 copies and by twenty to get the figures for 100,000 copies. And I'm afraid I don't know how foreign rights work, but there's added revenue there.

The interesting thing here is that even the modest sale of 5000 copies would almost equal the purported annual gross for RDR Books last year. One can understand why Rapoport is willing to risk a courtcase over this. This will undoubtedly be the biggest selling book his company has ever printed.

Now, what about a cost/benefit analysis? Well, if the book is stopped cold by the court, it'll mean financial ruin for RDR. However, if there is some hope of getting a version out under the Fair Use doctrine, RDR can probably afford $15-25,000 in legal fees. (Providing he can put off payment until the book is published.)

Of course, the selling point is the title of the book. I don't think SVA's name is enough to sell something. If the title is objected to for not being clear enough that it isn't an officially approved book and that it's not the most complete (or compleat) and amazing reference to the wonderful world of Harry Potter, then I think RDR has no choice but to face the judge. The text can be adjusted to meet any objections from WB/JKR, but a change of title would sink the book.

WB/JKR can probably only demand that the words "unofficial" or "unauthorized" be added to the titled. However, if the book really doesn't look anything like the website in content, then WB/JKR can probably insist that no mention can be made of JKR's Fansite Award or her comments about the website being her "natural home" as this would be a misrepresentation of Jo's endorsement.

Yes, DaisyRenee, you're right about Rapoport wielding a double-edged sword. He needs to negotiate some kind of positive settlement before it ends up in court. Daily court costs can be enormous. And I can only see him fighting a courtbattle over the title or if WB/JKR object to the book entirely. Otherwise he'll start to sound like the Black Knight in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. ("It's only a flesh wound.")


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QUOTE(davidenglish @ Jan 3 2008, 04:43 PM) *
Well, my impression is that all the to-ing and fro-ing this month will be private or, as lawyers like to say, in camera. Which is just fancy Latin talk for "behind closed doors". This is what, I think, is called "discovery" in criminal cases. This is a civil case and so we're only likely to hear what RDR or WB/JKR are going to tell us.

This is where you have been & are so helpful in explaining "Lawyerese", in camera. sounds to me like it would be out in public as in front of a camera rolleyes.gif
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I'm rather hoping to hear RDR thump his chest and declare that WB/JKR's charges are outrageous and groundless and that he's "not yet begun to fight".

'Ear, 'Ear. Excellent description of what RDR has mainly done - an image of an Orangutan thumping it's chest came to my mind reading your post. I am finding it harder & harder to see RDR as a serious entity. Thank you and all the others keeping me up to date with this issue. I find it interesting from a viewpoint of learning about copywrite & infringement and as comedic relief while I await The Scottish Book (and hopefully another book series from JKR about her wizarding world).

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Of course, the selling point is the title of the book. I don't think SVA's name is enough to sell something.

You know, before this mess came out, I think SVA's name would have brought in more revenue than it will now. I know I would have considered buying it as SVA seemed a sensable person before this book thing came out. Now I would not buy the book for any reason.

(edited as we were both posting at the same time & I wanted to add my 2 cents worth)


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If it was an initial 5000 copy print run, I'd guess the purpose was to gauge sales and finance a larger print run. RDR keeps claiming to have limited resources. Perhaps they planned for initial sales revenue to fund the follow-up printing costs.

Until the publicity of this lawsuit, SVA's name was not as well known as The Lexicon itself. He has certainly reaped the benefits of free publicity here. This does make him a little more marketable for later books (SVA and the Chamber of Legalities?). I'm waiting to see who bears the financial burden if RDR loses. RDR or SVA? From SVA's postings, I'm betting it's RDR.


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QUOTE(wondering @ Jan 4 2008, 10:35 PM) *
If it was an initial 5000 copy print run, I'd guess the purpose was to gauge sales and finance a larger print run. RDR keeps claiming to have limited resources. Perhaps they planned for initial sales revenue to fund the follow-up printing costs.

Until the publicity of this lawsuit, SVA's name was not as well known as The Lexicon itself. He has certainly reaped the benefits of free publicity here. This does make him a little more marketable for later books (SVA and the Chamber of Legalities?). I'm waiting to see who bears the financial burden if RDR loses. RDR or SVA? From SVA's postings, I'm betting it's RDR.
Well, I'm sure that RDR didn't have enough capital for a bigger printrun than 5000. But I'm sure he'd have been able to order more copies as sales began to grow. 5000 is a respectable printrun. But, when you consider that DH sold nearly 7 million copies in the first 24hrs, RDR would know there was potential to sell to at least 1% of that number.

SVA has already stated that he was writing another book. A travel guide to Harry Potter-ish places in Britain. (If I may brag, I predicted this very subject in the first thread. RDR already has a travel guide to Agatha Christie-ish places in Britain, which made me think of it.) And this summer SVA is giving a guided tour to such places in Britain. It would be interesting if Rapoport made this a two book deal.

DaisyRenee, I rather enjoyed reading that survey of librarians on copyright. Of course, RDR's Stanford lawyers are behind Creative Commons, so I was interested to see them mentioned. I've said earlier that I don't get why they're not of Jo's side. Her attitude toward the internet has been very progressive.

Oh, and that Fair Use Checklist was great. I can't see how all these librarians involved with the HP Lexicon wouldn't have nixed a Fair Use defense after reading that checklist. And Lisa, who also runs Accio Quote, has begun pulling articles and transcripts where copyright permission is in doubt.

There's this funny attitude that online communities are somehow above the law. Well, the little fansites may fly under the radar and be considered of no interest to the big "bad" corporations, but, when a website brags of 25 million hits in a year, they really can't excuse themselves from following the law to the letter by saying it's only a hobby.

We know MuggleNet and TLC had consultations with WB/JKR about their proposals. So I find SVA's excuse that nobody would talk to him rather odd. And even stranger that he wouldn't have had an "escape" clause written into this contract requiring RDR to get permission from WB/JKR.

I never posted much in the Snape's Loyalty threads, but I find SVA's Loyalty rather fascinating. (I just hope SVA doesn't become the subject of Slash Fic the way Severus did. shocking.gif )


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For those interested Melissa has published an update on Leaky, the most immediate change being that 7th January is now 15th January (I am guessing there have been more court documents filed and Melissa has seen or heard about them before they have appeared online).

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Well, I guessing that they want to be very careful about how they phrase things with Stanford involved. Falzone and Lessig are not above using a little sophistry to make their case. Fortunately, most judges haven't bought their "free-for-all" culture argument. (Try to imagine a world where there's no fiction, only fan fiction.)

Larry Lessig of Stanford and Creative Commons gave a pyro-technical "mash-up" powerpoint presentation entitled How creativity is being strangled by the Law. It's a great show. And who doesn't love a singing Jesus belting out "I will survive"? But the thing that kept popping into my mind was Leni Reifenstahl's Triumph of the Will. Is powerpoint really about the triumph of image over reason?

Reading through the comments to Lessig's tour de farce, I was struck by the attitude that artists and musicians don't do it for the money, they do it for the "art". LOL. In other words, a bunch of tenured pedants with secure incomes who force students to pay huge tuitions to sit through boring lectures in order to get a piece of paper they can flog on the job market think creative individuals should beg for their supper while the pedants comment on the quality of their begging.

Now, how would Lessig and others feel if their lectures were bootlegged and I could log on to the University of Havana and watch YouTube lectures of all the greatest profs in the world and get a degree using my credit card? Who needs living profs when dead ones can lecture on and on? (And, frankly, aren't a lot of profs like Prof Binns anyway?) Good heavens! Imagine a university with no staff but the techies running the computers. Free Culture! Free tuition! Free education!

Of course, actors are already alarmed by the lastest in motion-capture CGI. Beowulf was the movie of the future. And, if you're not into comic book gore, it was a pretty odd movie. Modern directors have often dreamed of turning actors into marionettes whose strings they can pull; now they can do it through computers. There's already been talk of a sequel to Casablanca starring the dead Bogart & Bergman.

Phew! I've wandered off topic. But my point --and I do have one-- is that Fair Use cannot be used as an excuse to beggar the artist. Jo may be rich, but she's an exception. Most artists are not rich. And if the doctrine of Fair Use becomes so broad that no artist has any hope of writing sequels or licensing derivative works, culture will be as free as a bunch of crabs in a bucket.


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QUOTE(davidenglish @ Jan 5 2008, 05:11 PM) *
Phew! I've wandered off topic. But my point --and I do have one-- is that Fair Use cannot be used as an excuse to beggar the artist. Jo may be rich, but she's an exception. Most artists are not rich. And if the doctrine of Fair Use becomes so broad that no artist has any hope of writing sequels or licensing derivative works, culture will be as free as a bunch of crabs in a bucket.

Well, the fact of the matter is that fair use is fair use, regardless of whether the original content owner (or the copier, for that matter) is rich or poor. It's copyright infringement if I try to publish a rip-off of Star Wars, and it's copyright infringement if Universal gets a copy of that short story I wrote in middle school and makes a movie out of it without my permission (though I doubt they'd want to tongue.gif). It doesn't matter who has the money. It matters whether you've used enough of the original material in a commercial enough way to warrent the label "copyright infringement." And while I'm all for open access and making information more widely available to the public (and not just academics who are affiliated with a university), I don't like the idea of the sort of information communism that Falzone and Lessig tend to promote. We've seen that economic communism doesn't work, and I don't see why information communism should be any better.

Would it be better for the artistic world if copyrights were shorter? Maybe, but maybe not. davidenglish mentioned fanfic earlier, and it's easy to see how the love of established characters may lead the way to a writer getting stuck in someone else's world rather than finding his or her own voice. Then you get the deluge of bad sequels and remakes we've been getting lately in the film world, which makes me wish someone would have an original thought already.

I said that so I could say this next part. The person who established the story and the world really is the person who should see it through. Scarlett, the sequel to Gone With the Wind, was written by a different author. I don't know how to describe it other than by saying it just didn't feel right. It didn't feel like the real Scarlett O'Hara, and that kept me from becoming emotionally involved with the story. And I think most of us can say the same for some of the HP guides that are already on the market. They were a convenient way to keep our attention during the years when we were pining for Jo to hurry up and finish that next book, but they really were no substitute for the real thing. I've said dozens of times that I love the Lexicon. I do. I think it's a wonderfully put together resource. But it's not the real thing. Jo wants to finish this up herself, and since she started it all, she should be the one to see it through.


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QUOTE(davidenglish)
Reading through the comments to Lessig's tour de farce, I was struck by the attitude that artists and musicians don't do it for the money, they do it for the "art". LOL. In other words, a bunch of tenured pedants with secure incomes who force students to pay huge tuitions to sit through boring lectures in order to get a piece of paper they can flog on the job market think creative individuals should beg for their supper while the pedants comment on the quality of their begging.


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I've said dozens of times that I love the Lexicon. I do. I think it's a wonderfully put together resource. But it's not the real thing. Jo wants to finish this up herself, and since she started it all, she should be the one to see it through.


And as creator, the one who has all rights to do so. No amount of voluntary fannish hobbyism should ever equal a right in regards to something created by another.


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