Lexicon Steve, What do you think about Jo's lawsuit? |
 Nov 1 2007, 10:59 AM
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Having hand bitten off by the Monster Books  Posts: 7,051 Joined: 2:09am August 2, 2007 Location: stalking emma watson... i dont want to talk about it.  |
QUOTE(shadow_onthesun @ Nov 1 2007, 03:56 PM)  The lexicon is a great resource, and it has all the info there in a (quite) convienient place- but the be all and end all is this: The info belongs to Jo She created the world, and all the info on the website was invented (well obviously not the mythological animals and latin terms) by jo, and she is the one who checked it all worked and was consistant, and that continuity was adhered to. Jo did the work. The lexicon did really well noting it all down, but just because you copy something from a book, doesnt make you the owner of the infomation. There is nothing new or inventive going on here, it is just cashing in. If i was Jo i'd be pissed with steve. Especially after being so nice to him, it must be like a slap in the face. what's next? Unofficial Biographies of the characters? A line has to be drawn somewhere. you think there is a market for that?  but seriously, i think you have made som good solid points there. it is her work. This post has been edited by ByRichard: Nov 1 2007, 11:04 AM -------------------- Protest is when I say this does not please me. Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:00 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 1:21pm January 31, 2005 Location: The City of Wind |
I'm totally on the fence about this as well.
On the one hand as the Lexicon is a site that JKR has praised and used as a reference herself, I can hardly understand why she wouldn't allow it to be published. The Lexicon is a site that details the people and facts in the HP books and movies and facts from public interviews. From what I understand, JKR's encyclopedia would be giving us details about people and things and places we don't learn in the book in addition to the stated book details. These are two different books, in my opinion. And let's be realistic...anyone who buys the Lexicon book is going to buy JKR's book. The charity will not be loosing out. On the other hand, if Steve didn't ask JKR about this before hand...well I disagree with that. I think he should have and asked her permission. And maybe that is why he is being sued, because he didn't ask? And I'm totally curious to see what happens to the Mugglenet encyclopedia. |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:02 AM
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Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower  Posts: 3,900 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower   |
I agree with Coach it is about control, I do feel this measure is rather harsh and extreme especially given the fact that Mugglenet does profit so much off of HP. We however don't know the full context in that what Jo's people may have said to Steve. Was he asked to stop like Leaky was about their Book 7 book? Not to mention the T-shirts.
I can actually understand Jo's point, though I do sympathize with Steve, if she wants to publish an Encyclopedia for the fandom how much of a slap in the face is it for the Lexicon to publish a book before her? A website reference is one thing, a book is entirely another story. Plus in the end this IS her creation and she can do with it what she wants. Just be thankful she isn't Anne Rice whom if she was NONE of these fan sites, fan fictions, etc would even exist. Anne Rice doesn't feel flattered by Fan Fics and other fan works like Jo is, she condems every single fan work as an attempt to steal her thunder. I think were missing part of this story though, we don't have Steve's side of the story and only offical realeased statements from Jo and Scholastic. Also despite my dislike of Mugglenet's Book 7 book it is a different thing to publish theories and discussions about a book series and another to print a verbatim information about characters and story. That is what the WB and Jo is finding inappropriate, I feel that it would be competition as I have the feeling the Lexicon's book would be more through then Jo's. Would people buy both Steve and Jo's Encyclopida? Some may have the luxary of money to buy both but I can only afford to get one. Also consider the Regulus Black little scandel after HBP was released, someone at the Lexicon had posted what Reg's actual middle name was. At the time no one but me believed it was legit. So it seems Steve may have priviliged information that someone accidentaly let slip and Steve had to take down and apologize for. Let's also remember guys the book IS for charity here, not for Jo's bank account. This post has been edited by Shard: Nov 1 2007, 11:04 AM --------------------  "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson "One of the greatest talents in the world is to never say two words when one will do." |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:04 AM
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WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,185 Joined: 4:31pm October 9, 2006 Location: At Swamp Bottom, making thread. |
this was on leakys front page-
QUOTE 'CNN Money says that the suit claims, "Warner Bros. and Rowling's representatives have been " rebuffed and treated rudely" in their attempts to engage in a dialogue with RDR Books...For example, while claiming not to have the ability or time to respond to plaintiffs' multiple 'cease and desist' letters because of a family tragedy, defendant instead was hawking foreign publishing rights to the infringing book in Germany,' the lawsuit said.' its not like they werent warned... This post has been edited by shadow_onthesun: Nov 1 2007, 11:05 AM -------------------- Leakys British thread has grown too big for the lounge! Join us HERE for Brit talk, and random Potter-ing  |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:08 AM
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Leaky's Resident Weasley Expert Posts: 2,478 Joined: 8:52pm March 1, 2005 Location: Ravenclaw Common Room attempting to ACCIO Jason Mraz. |
QUOTE Let's also remember guys the book IS for charity here, not for Jo's bank account. But the damages they are sueing for are. Why bring money into it? If you don't like it, just stop it. -------------------- Check out my newest post DH R/Hr fics!~Or my author page!~One Big Happy Wealsey Family!~My Livejournal Avvie by rupert-grint.us |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:11 AM
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WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,185 Joined: 4:31pm October 9, 2006 Location: At Swamp Bottom, making thread. |
re: fanfic- if you were to publish it in a book for profit then there would be a problem. you're not- jo has no problem with fanfic. sharing info and your own creativity isnt a problem- its made a great community and passtime for millions. breaking copywrite and regurgitating someone elses work (which this effectively is) for money is a problem
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Nov 1 2007, 11:12 AM
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WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,185 Joined: 4:31pm October 9, 2006 Location: At Swamp Bottom, making thread. |
QUOTE(EruditeWitch @ Nov 1 2007, 04:08 PM) QUOTE Let's also remember guys the book IS for charity here, not for Jo's bank account. But the damages they are sueing for are. Why bring money into it? If you don't like it, just stop it. they have been trying to stop it. see my post above yours -------------------- Leakys British thread has grown too big for the lounge! Join us HERE for Brit talk, and random Potter-ing |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:13 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 353 Joined: 2:52pm July 8, 2005 Location: In the midwest surrounded by cornfields. |
I agree with Shadow on the sun that the info belongs to Jo. However, If she did not have a problem with the website, why does she take issue with the book? Also, why was Mugglenet allowed to publish Potter related books? And finally, The India thing is concerning to me too. I understand that she wants to protect her creation, but Steve has no intention of compromising it. He has nothing but respect for Jo and her work.
This post has been edited by Hufflepuff31: Nov 1 2007, 11:19 AM -------------------- I think that people who don't like Harry Potter have something SERIOUSLY wrong with them.
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Nov 1 2007, 11:14 AM
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WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,152 Joined: 12:18pm July 22, 2005 Location: Reading KSK, Deadspin, TheBigLead, and the Fanhouse. |
It's a reference book. There is no new material.
Someone said, I don't remember if it was here or on another site, that they wouldn't be surprised to find out that JKR was only tolerating things like this, and fan fiction until the series was done. Now that it is she's free to squash everything as she sees fit. I don't disagree with that. EruditeWitch I wouldn't be personally worried about fan fiction, yet, but who knows about the sites that host it. I'm thinking it's SugarQuill who's worried right about now. They make money off adds, do they not? |
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Nov 1 2007, 11:16 AM
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Leaky's Resident Weasley Expert Posts: 2,478 Joined: 8:52pm March 1, 2005 Location: Ravenclaw Common Room attempting to ACCIO Jason Mraz. |
Many MANY things make money off of Potter that aren't WB or Jo's publishers. The question is where you draw the line.
Website good. Book bad. Mugglenet good, Lexicon bad. I just don't understand why she has to bring money into it, it makes me disillusioned with her. -------------------- Check out my newest post DH R/Hr fics!~Or my author page!~One Big Happy Wealsey Family!~My Livejournal Avvie by rupert-grint.us |
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