If Lily Protected, Why The Scar?, Is there more importance to the scar than we are led to believe |
  May 31 2006, 01:30 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 71 Joined: 1:43pm May 27, 2006  |
I have been hearing all of these theories about Harry not being alive, or him being a horucrux...when it occured to me....
Why does harry have a scar? If Lily's death placed upon him a protective spell so powerful to survive the A.K, why did Harry get the scar? I dont know about you guys, but im not all satisfied with D.D explanation of the scar; something along the lines of "LV transfered a part of him to you. You feel his moods, see things ect" But nothing has explained the scar itself! Am i insane? Is there an explanation to the scar and ---most importantly still--- the SHAPE of the scar. I mean, a lighting bolt, of all things. And a small one right on his forehead. This just doesnt make sense. Why would the all-powerful protective charm allow for this scar to occur. I think the focus has shifted FAR FAR from the scar. And i personally belive that we should bring out attention back to it. It is, after all, how the series started and it may hold the key to understanding how it will end. Please HEEELP |
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May 31 2006, 02:28 PM
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Knight Bus Driver in Training Posts: 555 Joined: 7:21am April 18, 2006 Location: I'll let you know when I find out! |
I think I've heard some people saying that the scar is the horcrux, or something like that, or related to it in some way. I've even heard a theory that said that he scar was not made by AK, but whatever means of Voldemort's to make a Horcrux.
Personally, I think the last option merits some attention. You can't survive an AK; there was no one, as far as we know who would be free to tell the tale of Voldemort's demise present at his end. The AK is Voldemort's usual method of killing. Wouldn't it be great if we were all assuming, just like everyone in the wizarding world that it was a AK that nearly killed Harry, only to suddenly find out it was something else and more sinister? Red Hen has a theory on the subject that might interest you. Take a look, because there are several interesting points put forward. |
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May 31 2006, 03:39 PM
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Mischievous Manager  Posts: 5,434 Joined: 9:14am February 16, 2006 Location: Behind the sofa, watching Doctor Who  |
I agree with Miss Talons -- I think Voldemort intended to use the killing of Harry to create a horcrux, and it's that spell that created the scar -- why else would it have transferred some of Voldemort's power to Harry? I don't think Harry himself IS a horcrux (though I concede it is possible), but I do think that spell is behind the scar.
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May 31 2006, 04:05 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 103 Joined: 1:05pm April 26, 2006 Location: The good old UK |
I am definitely 100% in the Harry is NOT a horcrux camp. If he was then the line: neither can live while the other survives is wholly redundant. If Harry lives then so does Voldemort, whereas if Harry dies, so does Voldemort (eventually).
I think everyone is waaaay off-track here. As for the scar being the result of an attempted horcrux...well, I understand the theories but on the same logic as above, why would Voldemort create something that enabled him immortality only if it survived...no, I don't think even Voldemort is that stupid and illogical. Another point is that every time Harry recounts the night in Godric's Hollow he always sees the blinding green flash...the Avada Kedavra curse... I know that there may be other curses and spells which set off a blining green light when they are performed, I just don't think that an alternative is possible. We know that Jo is leading us all up the garden path somewhere and I agree that Harry must have received the scar for some reason or another, however, I think that until we reach the end of book 7 we must be satisfied with the explanation we have received thus far. Dumbledore may have admitted that he did not entirely understand why he received the scar but come on...as powerful as love may be, Avada Kedavra is the single most powerful magic after love and when these two come together there must be some kind of cataclismic reaction. Any of you knowing anything about chemistry should know that when two powerful chemicals combine there is generally a tremendous reaction and there is always some kind of residue, in this instance it just happens to be a scar. (On a side note, having just had the thought pop into my head, however, in no way undermining what I have just said as I stick wholeheartedly by it. Dumbledore does go on about how he thinks that Voldemort transferred some of his powers to Harry when he tried to kill him. This MAY be construed as Voldemort attempting to creat a horcrux and passing some of his soul into Harry yader yader yader. HOWEVER, I do believe that we may rule out this theory on the basis that Dumbledore gives in HBP (chapter: Horcruxes). Voldemort does not appear to realise when a horcrux has been either found or destroyed or whatever as he hides them and keeps himself separate from them. They are just furture resources for him to call upon in the future if the circumstances require it. If this is the case then the connection he feels with Harry in GoF and OotP, and we know he does because he starts hiding his thoughts from Harry through Occlumency, would not have been felt and we can therefore rule out the possibility of Harry being a horcrux... Or at least I can from my PoV, you of course are entitled to think whatever you wish  )
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May 31 2006, 06:02 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 197 Joined: 7:41pm April 24, 2005 |
ah yes but EmmaLouise you are forgetting what J.K. herself wrote in the books. "Most of the prophesy's in the hall of prophesy's aren't even fulfilled" the ones that are, are probably fulfilled by people like Voldemort, people who actually believe in the prophesys. prophesys are only fulfilled when you actually abide by them. so the statement, "neither can live while the other survives" is very untrue. so the horcrux theory about harry is not way off, it is very possible. harry can go living on even while voldemort lived, if harry wanted that. he could go into hiding or something. ever since reading HBP i give the prophesy very little consideration.
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May 31 2006, 06:15 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 19 Joined: 11:33am November 19, 2005 |
[/quote]why would Voldemort create something that enabled him immortality only if it survived[quote]
Your right, that wouldn't make sense. I think LV didn't set out to make HARRY a horcrux, but to use his DEATH to make one and conceal it into a special object. I think the problem with the "harry is a horcrux" theory, is that we just don't know enough about the spell that creats them. Slughorn said that a wizard who intends to creat a horcrux would use the damage murder afflicts to one soul, to rip it apart, and conceal it in an object using a spell. Dumbledore said that he belives that LV wanted to make the last horcrux with harrys death. So I think that with the many hints that JK has laid, such as harry breaking into LV mind, and in CoS the hint about transfering something into harry, there is a definite posibility that Harry or the scar, is a horcrux. Altought I like the way you described the chemical reaction and I think it makes total sense, if we come back to the point of why the scar, if he had protection. However, the scar, i believe is something more important than just a mark. Its been acting as an "aerial". He has flashes of LM mood and every time he does, his scar hurts and burns. So i think it could seem as if Harry has a patch of evil on his forehead which maybe a half compleated horcrux. And as Harry is a developed being and active, LV can feel him at times unlike just the other horcruxes which are compleatly detatched. Oh god sry I've compleatly gone off point. Well just to round it off, the scar has more significance than just a souvinir from a killing curse and that the main question should lie in why did lily have the chance to live. This post has been edited by tweety: May 31 2006, 06:26 PM |
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May 31 2006, 07:29 PM
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Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 319 Joined: 4:39pm April 6, 2006 Location: Under the chair in Hagrids Hut |
My thoughts are that Lily's sacrifice prevented Harry from being KILLED, not from being HARMED. For example, if someone is about to be hit by a car and another person grabs them out of the way, they can still end up with some injury despite being saved from death. Or another thought could be that perhaps because Lily had Harry in her arms when she died, he fell and cut his head open?
Excellent thread! 
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May 31 2006, 09:52 PM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 399 Joined: 8:11pm July 16, 2005 |
I think the only damage the spell could do because of his mother's sacifice was make a small cut on harry's head. Somehow through the little cut came Voldermort's power, part of it anyway, like his parselmouth.
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May 31 2006, 10:28 PM
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Fortescue's Spoon Polisher Posts: 3,539 Joined: 1:29pm March 16, 2005  |
I think that the shape of the scar is important. The scar is a lightning bolt scar as we all know. We all know, the sacrifice of Lily envoked ancient magic. The magic formed a protection on the very spot where Harry would have been touched by the curse. (I 'm getting there really! lol)
Rune magic is very powerful magic. If you look at eihwaz it is in the shape of a lightning bolt. (Hermione even gives a mention of this rune and its meaning -defense) I think that the magic envoked by Lily manifested itself as a rune symbol on Harry's forhead. The magic was concentrated on the spot where the spell hit and to protect harry, formed the eihwaz symbol..which in the runic for defense. (Rune symbols are said to be very powerful..It is even advised not to tatoo them into your skin unless you are sure of what symbol you are trying to envoke) Interestingly enough eihwaz's symbolic image is the yew tree, which happens to be the wood for Voldemort's wand -------------------- |
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May 31 2006, 10:52 PM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen  Posts: 11,881 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
In a 2004 interview (see Quick Quotes Quill), JK said:
QUOTE Cathedral: Don't want to rune the ending, but will we be finding out more about the significance of the shape of Harry's scar in future books? JK Rowling replies: The shape is not the most significant aspect of that scar, and that's all I'm going to say! So, how's that for clarifying things about Harry's scar?  The shape is not the most significant aspect of it. So while it's significant, there's something even bigger going on with it. 
-------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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