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Lily, Snape, Voldemort, How not to underestimate anyone's abilities and actions
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post Apr 3 2009, 06:23 PM
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So, I think the unanswered question we've worked out regarding Rosmerta is whether or not she was free of the Impirius Curse at the moment of the funeral, so that she could have attended it in the first place (whether or not Harry noticed her or why not if she was there would be a second question).

As for Snape:

I think he'd be COMPLETELY different as a partner, than during the rest of his life's activities: He is someone who truly and completely lives for love and only for love - every action he does is for Lily, that's the only meaning any action could possibly have for him if it has any meaning at all. He was like that towards Lily both when she was alive and then when she was dead.

When it comes to love, he's not the Snape we know from classes and so on. He's completely romantic and tender towards the one he loves, as we can see it in his many Lily-related memories (even when they quarrel, you can feel this deep emotion he holds for her and this huge vulnerability he's got as the gifted and emotionally profound person he is, and this sadness because of love). (And it's also out of love that he becomes bitter and a bullying man, because love has such a strong impact on him. His every attitude comes from love. That's what makes him so different from other men and so special - cos normally you don't base all your actions and attitudes of your every day life on love, it doesn't normally determine every situation of your daily life. Normally you're able to act independently from love in your every day life, you're able to act normally, if you're a responsible adult. Snape, however, is downright capable of such insanity. He's completely gorgeous. (even if his behaviour is downright childish when he makes innocent people like Harry pay for his bitterness). But this childish, unconditioned love is what makes us love him so much I think, however unfair he was.

James, on the other hand, oh no, honestly, James, he's just so obsessed with himself, I don't think you could EVER get from him what Snape is capable of and willing to give someone he loves - that is to say: Snape just completely gives himself, he completely hands himself over to the one he loves (he even hands himself over to Lily via DD), his love is absolute.

James is just too busy with himself and the image he wants to create of himself, to be able to conentrate that intensively on a human being other than himself. He's compeltely loathable, what a nutter. He never had Snape's both intellectual and emotional profoundness, his capacity of very deep feelings - James is just so superficial, in my opinion.


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post Apr 4 2009, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE(WalnutWandCarrier @ Apr 4 2009, 12:23 AM) *
I think he'd be COMPLETELY different as a partner, than during the rest of his life's activities: He is someone who truly and completely lives for love and only for love - every action he does is for Lily, that's the only meaning any action could possibly have for him if it has any meaning at all. He was like that towards Lily both when she was alive and then when she was dead.

When it comes to love, he's not the Snape we know from classes and so on. He's completely romantic and tender towards the one he loves, as we can see it in his many Lily-related memories (even when they quarrel, you can feel this deep emotion he holds for her and this huge vulnerability he's got as the gifted and emotionally profound person he is, and this sadness because of love). (And it's also out of love that he becomes bitter and a bullying man, because love has such a strong impact on him. His every attitude comes from love. That's what makes him so different from other men and so special - cos normally you don't base all your actions and attitudes of your every day life on love, it doesn't normally determine every situation of your daily life. Normally you're able to act independently from love in your every day life, you're able to act normally, if you're a responsible adult. Snape, however, is downright capable of such insanity. He's completely gorgeous. (even if his behaviour is downright childish when he makes innocent people like Harry pay for his bitterness). But this childish, unconditioned love is what makes us love him so much I think, however unfair he was.

James, on the other hand, oh no, honestly, James, he's just so obsessed with himself, I don't think you could EVER get from him what Snape is capable of and willing to give someone he loves - that is to say: Snape just completely gives himself, he completely hands himself over to the one he loves (he even hands himself over to Lily via DD), his love is absolute.

James is just too busy with himself and the image he wants to create of himself, to be able to conentrate that intensively on a human being other than himself. He's compeltely loathable, what a nutter. He never had Snape's both intellectual and emotional profoundness, his capacity of very deep feelings - James is just so superficial, in my opinion.


Snape didn't give himself completely to Lily. He chose Voldemort over Lily.

Lily didn't choose the arrogant toerag James Potter over Snape. She chose the reformed character James who was kind and loyal and funny about a year after Snape had rejected her in favour of his death eater friends.

And as for Snape's superior intellect. This goes against what we're told of both James and Sirius being the best wizards in the school in their Hogwarts years.
And his "emotinal profoundness"? He was just obsessed with Lily. He never even bothered to get to know her properly, or else he would have known she wouldn't accept his obsession with the dark arts. He loved the idea of Lily. An imagined, idealised Lily. Not the real Lily.
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QUOTE(Wendall @ Apr 4 2009, 06:38 AM) *
QUOTE(WalnutWandCarrier @ Apr 4 2009, 12:23 AM) *
I think he'd be COMPLETELY different as a partner, than during the rest of his life's activities: He is someone who truly and completely lives for love and only for love - every action he does is for Lily, that's the only meaning any action could possibly have for him if it has any meaning at all. He was like that towards Lily both when she was alive and then when she was dead.

When it comes to love, he's not the Snape we know from classes and so on. He's completely romantic and tender towards the one he loves, as we can see it in his many Lily-related memories (even when they quarrel, you can feel this deep emotion he holds for her and this huge vulnerability he's got as the gifted and emotionally profound person he is, and this sadness because of love). (And it's also out of love that he becomes bitter and a bullying man, because love has such a strong impact on him. His every attitude comes from love. That's what makes him so different from other men and so special - cos normally you don't base all your actions and attitudes of your every day life on love, it doesn't normally determine every situation of your daily life. Normally you're able to act independently from love in your every day life, you're able to act normally, if you're a responsible adult. Snape, however, is downright capable of such insanity. He's completely gorgeous. (even if his behaviour is downright childish when he makes innocent people like Harry pay for his bitterness). But this childish, unconditioned love is what makes us love him so much I think, however unfair he was.

James, on the other hand, oh no, honestly, James, he's just so obsessed with himself, I don't think you could EVER get from him what Snape is capable of and willing to give someone he loves - that is to say: Snape just completely gives himself, he completely hands himself over to the one he loves (he even hands himself over to Lily via DD), his love is absolute.

James is just too busy with himself and the image he wants to create of himself, to be able to conentrate that intensively on a human being other than himself. He's compeltely loathable, what a nutter. He never had Snape's both intellectual and emotional profoundness, his capacity of very deep feelings - James is just so superficial, in my opinion.


Snape didn't give himself completely to Lily. He chose Voldemort over Lily.

Lily didn't choose the arrogant toerag James Potter over Snape. She chose the reformed character James who was kind and loyal and funny about a year after Snape had rejected her in favour of his death eater friends.

And as for Snape's superior intellect. This goes against what we're told of both James and Sirius being the best wizards in the school in their Hogwarts years.
And his "emotinal profoundness"? He was just obsessed with Lily. He never even bothered to get to know her properly, or else he would have known she wouldn't accept his obsession with the dark arts. He loved the idea of Lily. An imagined, idealised Lily. Not the real Lily.


Do you remember who said that? About James and Sirius being the best wizards at Hogwarts in their time? Because I tend to think that Snape was just as smart. He was inventing spells, for one thing, which we've never seen anybody else in the series do. And his Potions talent was just astounding.

J.K. said that the idea of Snape being in love with you was "horrible," and I tend to agree, despite my moniker. happy.gif

For one thing, he'd probably be so possessive, you could say goodbye to all your friends...especially your male friends. I agree with The Sorting Hat -- that "greedy" look he gives Lily says it all: "creepy stalker!"

He'd probably also be the kind of boyfriend who calls you 20 times in a row, and leaves you 20 different voicemails if you don't pick up. Because if you don't pick up the phone, you must be cheating on him.

Then there's the fact that you can't take him anywhere. Without worrying about him terrorizing little children, or cursing any male waiter who came near you, I mean. ("I told you, we don't want any more bread! Sectumsempra!")

And can you imagine the head games involved in having a boyfriend who can read minds? ("You are thinking of a number between 1 and 10..." / "Stop it, Sev, I don't want to play anymore!" / "Six." / <sigh> "Yes, six.")

And then, if that weren't enough, there's the whole "let's-see-how-dirty-my-hair-can-get-before-somebody-actually-says-something-to-me-about-it" thing.

And yet...I haven't been able to stop thinking about him for 6 years straight... snape.gif wub.gif
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QUOTE(Mrs_Linnea_Snape @ Apr 4 2009, 05:50 PM) *
Do you remember who said that? About James and Sirius being the best wizards at Hogwarts in their time? Because I tend to think that Snape was just as smart. He was inventing spells, for one thing, which we've never seen anybody else in the series do. And his Potions talent was just astounding.


Lupin said they were the best at everything they did. MacGonagall said they were exceptional. Hagrid described James and Lily as being as good a witch and wizard as he'd known.

I'm not questioning Snape's intelligence or talent, just the idea that he was superior to James.

Also, Voldemort seemed to invent a spell that allowed him to fly. Or at least it seemed to me that he invented it, cos everybody seemed pretty surprised by it.
And Dumbledore invented the deluminator, and did things with a wand in his NEWTs that the examiner had never seen before.

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J.K. said that the idea of Snape being in love with you was "horrible," and I tend to agree, despite my moniker. happy.gif

For one thing, he'd probably be so possessive, you could say goodbye to all your friends...especially your male friends. I agree with The Sorting Hat -- that "greedy" look he gives Lily says it all: "creepy stalker!"

He'd probably also be the kind of boyfriend who calls you 20 times in a row, and leaves you 20 different voicemails if you don't pick up. Because if you don't pick up the phone, you must be cheating on him.

Then there's the fact that you can't take him anywhere. Without worrying about him terrorizing little children, or cursing any male waiter who came near you, I mean. ("I told you, we don't want any more bread! Sectumsempra!")

And can you imagine the head games involved in having a boyfriend who can read minds? ("You are thinking of a number between 1 and 10..." / "Stop it, Sev, I don't want to play anymore!" / "Six." / <sigh> "Yes, six.")

And then, if that weren't enough, there's the whole "let's-see-how-dirty-my-hair-can-get-before-somebody-actually-says-something-to-me-about-it" thing.

And yet...I haven't been able to stop thinking about him for 6 years straight... snape.gif wub.gif


Yeah, it's hard to believe he got so little action. He really is quite a catch.
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- WalnutWandCarrier   Lily, Snape, Voldemort   Apr 3 2009, 06:23 PM
- - The Sorting Hat   I agree. I never loved Snape afterwards, just beca...   Apr 4 2009, 08:19 AM
|- - Eva Hedwig   QUOTE(The Sorting Hat @ Apr 4 2009, 01:19...   Apr 4 2009, 10:24 AM
- - WalnutWandCarrier   @Wendall: Of course, yours is the healthy, perfect...   Apr 4 2009, 02:07 PM
|- - Wendall   QUOTE(WalnutWandCarrier @ Apr 4 2009, 08...   Apr 4 2009, 03:15 PM
- - WalnutWandCarrier   No, we definitely DON'T have any REAL, primary...   Apr 4 2009, 04:24 PM
- - The-T-Dane   QUOTE(WalnutWandCarrier @ Apr 4 2009, 09...   Apr 4 2009, 05:50 PM
- - WalnutWandCarrier   Well, some posters are actually (implicitly) sayin...   Apr 5 2009, 07:34 AM
|- - Wendall   QUOTE(WalnutWandCarrier @ Apr 5 2009, 01...   Apr 5 2009, 09:20 AM
- - maenad   QUOTENo. These would be crimes that Voldemort was ...   Apr 5 2009, 01:41 PM
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|- - roonwit   QUOTE(the_boy_who_lived @ Apr 6 2009, 07...   Apr 6 2009, 02:34 PM
|- - Wendall   QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 6 2009, 08:34 PM) Yes...   Apr 6 2009, 04:23 PM
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