The Locket, the Put-Outer and all the rubies, a connection? |
 Apr 9 2007, 08:03 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 41 Joined: 8:20am March 9, 2005 Location: Finland  |
I'm reading the Philosopher's Stone once again and something caught my eye on the back cover (UK, children's edition). It has a really nice picture of Dumbledore in a really silly outfit
 He is holding the Put-Outer in his hand.Now two things caught my eye. 1. The Put-Outer has a large S on it, just like the locket on the Deathly Hallows cover (adult). 2. It has rubies on it, just like all the items in the Deathly Hallows cover (children). Any ideas? Could we see the Put-Outer again in the last book? After all it was the very first magical object in the books and seeing Dumbledore using it made him look very mysterious and powerful. Wouldn't it be fitting if in the last book Harry would be the one using it? Philosopher's stone cover This post has been edited by You_wont_know_who: Apr 9 2007, 09:01 AM -------------------- "Lady Ramkin's bosom rose and fell like an empire."
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Apr 9 2007, 09:25 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 171 Joined: 3:28pm July 16, 2005 Location: Hogwarts, Hogwarts, hoggy warty Hogwarts... |
That's interesting, but I think its just a coincidence. They do look a lot a like, though. The artist wouldn't have known anything about the 7th book back then to know to draw the Put-Outer like that. Though it could still reappear.
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Apr 9 2007, 09:40 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 48 Joined: 6:19pm January 2, 2006 |
QUOTE(CindyVortex @ Apr 9 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1173346[/snapback] That's interesting, but I think its just a coincidence. They do look a lot a like, though. The artist wouldn't have known anything about the 7th book back then to know to draw the Put-Outer like that. Though it could still reappear. -agrees- It was many years ago, and this was when people didn't realize that there was actually going to be a seventh book. And I also don't think that Slytherin would want red rubies on something of his; no matter how much wealth they symbolised, red is just too Gryffindor. Like CindyVortex said, it's just a coincidence. This post has been edited by amand1: Apr 9 2007, 09:57 AM |
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Apr 9 2007, 09:56 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 1 Joined: 9:49am April 9, 2007 |
Also, the original (first edition) childrens cover for the UK version of The Philosophers Stone had a slightly differant picture on the back shown here:
http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/album...inal%20Back.jpg The Put-Outer is absent from this (presumably a younger version of Dumbledore) so I think is less likely to have been a specific request of Jo to the artist. Interesting spot though! |
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Apr 9 2007, 10:14 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 51 Joined: 2:25pm March 25, 2007 Location: Wouldn't you like to know? |
I agree that it was probably a coinkydink, too. However, I think the put-outer will probably reapear. Moody was using it in the Ootp when the were going to Number 12. Sooo...
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Apr 9 2007, 10:23 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 41 Joined: 8:20am March 9, 2005 Location: Finland |
Yes I do undestand that it is most likely nothing, because the image is so old. But I think there COULD be something to it
I mean how would the artist know the significance of rubies in the books at that time if Jo didn't tell him? Also the idea that we have an object in the first book with an S and rubies and in the last book an object with an S and emeralds. I'm thinking the Put-Outer could be GG's item? Although I can't explain the S Unless it doesn't stand for Slytherin in the locket either. -------------------- "Lady Ramkin's bosom rose and fell like an empire."
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Apr 9 2007, 10:39 AM
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Rat Tonic Bottler Posts: 1,103 Joined: 8:21am March 1, 2007 Location: Wales, UK |
QUOTE(vitamin @ Apr 9 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1173408[/snapback] I'm thinking the Put-Outer could be GG's item? Although I can't explain the S Unless it doesn't stand for Slytherin in the locket either.Good idea.. but I'm doubting it, since Dumbledore has said that the sword was the only relic of Gryffindor.. and I'd hazard that, as he owns the Put-Outer, he'd know if that too had belonged to Godric. Also, Michligsam, I think I've read that the younger wizard on the other PS cover you're talking about is actually supposed to be Quirrell.
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Apr 9 2007, 11:00 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 13 Joined: 2:12pm February 11, 2007 |
Didnt Moody use that wen they arrived at grimauld place after flyin harry over there? didnt he say he had borrowed it from DD?
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Apr 9 2007, 11:22 AM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,963 Joined: 8:53am April 20, 2006 Location: Prifysgol Bangor Univeristy, Bangor, Cymru |
I thought it was really neat how Jo managed to weave the Put-Outer back in there. It had been such an interesting part of the Philosopher's Stone becuase it was just about the first peice of magic we saw. Harry had no idea what it was but us readers did. I hope it will play a part in Deathly Hallows: maybe it will be passed on to Harry like the Invisibility Cloak. That would be really cool.
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Apr 9 2007, 12:02 PM
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Rat Tonic Bottler Posts: 1,103 Joined: 8:21am March 1, 2007 Location: Wales, UK |
QUOTE(blue_dreamer @ Apr 9 2007, 05:22 PM) [snapback]1173467[/snapback] I thought it was really neat how Jo managed to weave the Put-Outer back in there. It had been such an interesting part of the Philosopher's Stone becuase it was just about the first peice of magic we saw. Harry had no idea what it was but us readers did. I hope it will play a part in Deathly Hallows: maybe it will be passed on to Harry like the Invisibility Cloak. That would be really cool. I've often wondered *quite* how it would work.. is it kind of like a less-gruesome version of the Hand of Glory? I mean, could Dumbledore still see where he was going after he'd put all the lights out? I'd imagine he'd be ricocheting off things if everything was pitch-dark for him as well. So if the user can still see where he/she is going, I guess it could prove pretty handy if it's handed down to Harry. Either way, I think there will, like-as-not, be a "Will" scene in DH, and I think Harry will come into ownership of at least one of Dumbledore's many amazing possessions. -------------------- |
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Apr 9 2007, 12:23 PM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 413 Joined: 4:30pm July 16, 2005 |
It's an interesting idea that the put-outer will become more important in the seventh book, whether it be a horcrux or not. The fact it's managed to weave itself innocuously back into the Order of the Phoenix does look like JKR saying "hey, it's still in use". Further to this is the fact the first chapter contained so much but revealed so little. We have the Dumbledore's watch which may or may not be important (as once again weaved in, it looks like Ron has one too) and also the invisibility cloaks are constantly mentioned in OotP and we know something important is going to happen about them. I would like to think that the put-outer was another of these clues that will make us go back and say "of course!"
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Apr 9 2007, 01:36 PM
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Technology Expert! Posts: 6,574 Joined: 9:30pm July 1, 2005  |
Well i guess it depends if the Put-Outer can also instinguish fire. It was used on street electrical lamp. I am sure they didn't existed some 1000 years ago, so unless it has other function, or it's function have been altered in some way to work on more modern device, it is probably not an item from the Founders
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Apr 9 2007, 01:43 PM
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Neville's Biggest supporter  Posts: 12,493 Joined: 8:51am January 28, 2006 Location: On V.S.D.G.  |
I had forgotten about the Put Outter being on the UK Children's cover and I am sure it will reappear. Again, as has been said, Moody had it in OotP.
It seems a very magical object. It does have rubies (red stones) on it, so I am thinking it is belongs to Godric Gryffindor. I don't know why it has a "S" on it though. Decorative design? But there again, Slytherin and Gryfindor used to be best buddies, so a friendship token? 
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Apr 9 2007, 02:03 PM
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Dodgy Cauldrons Dealer Posts: 1,643 Joined: 8:39am July 6, 2005 Location: Manchester |
I think the 'S' is just a swirl. I just took a close look at the cover (funky trou, Dumbledore!) and there also seems to be an 's' on the lid, which would be the wrong way up when flipped back down to its normal position.
The rubies might just be there because red = flame = light. But it's also possible that the artwork of the locket on the special edition cover was loosely based on this detail from way back when. I liked the Put-Outer but I don't think it's Significant with a capital S (or even a swirly mark that might not be an s at all). |
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Apr 9 2007, 03:12 PM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 358 Joined: 10:59am May 15, 2005 Location: Neither here nor there |
QUOTE(*ellen marine* @ Apr 9 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1173423[/snapback] Good idea.. but I'm doubting it, since Dumbledore has said that the sword was the only relic of Gryffindor.. and I'd hazard that, as he owns the Put-Outer, he'd know if that too had belonged to Godric. But the sword isn't the only relic of Gryffindor, The Sorting Hat belonged to him to. Remember (I think it's in the 4th book but I can't be sure) when in the Hat's song it says something like "Good Gryffindor swept me off his head". I can try to find the quote if you want me too. Anyway, the Hat did at one point belong to Gryffindor. This post has been edited by expectoxpatronum: Apr 9 2007, 03:12 PM -------------------- "The Patronus is a kind of positive force, a projection of the very things that a dementor feeds upon-
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Apr 9 2007, 04:35 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 41 Joined: 8:20am March 9, 2005 Location: Finland |
QUOTE(expectoxpatronum @ Apr 10 2007, 03:12 AM) [snapback]1173782[/snapback] But the sword isn't the only relic of Gryffindor, The Sorting Hat belonged to him to. That's right! The Sorting Hat is indeed GG's hat. When I'm reading the first chapter of the Philosopher's Stone it really feels like there's something hidden in there. Is it the Put-Outer? The watch? The missing day? Or the fact that Dumbledore says: "I would trust Hagrid with my life." Ok I'm being off-topic
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Apr 10 2007, 02:54 AM
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Rat Tonic Bottler Posts: 1,103 Joined: 8:21am March 1, 2007 Location: Wales, UK |
QUOTE(expectoxpatronum @ Apr 9 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]1173782[/snapback] QUOTE(*ellen marine* @ Apr 9 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1173423[/snapback] Good idea.. but I'm doubting it, since Dumbledore has said that the sword was the only relic of Gryffindor.. and I'd hazard that, as he owns the Put-Outer, he'd know if that too had belonged to Godric. But the sword isn't the only relic of Gryffindor, The Sorting Hat belonged to him to. Remember (I think it's in the 4th book but I can't be sure) when in the Hat's song it says something like "Good Gryffindor swept me off his head". I can try to find the quote if you want me too. Anyway, the Hat did at one point belong to Gryffindor. You're right.. but I thought you guys would be aware of Jo's comments concerning the hat. It has been pointed out to her that the Sorting Hat is also a relic of Gryffindor, to which she responded quite conclusively that the Sorting Hat was not a Horcrux, as "Horcruxes do not draw attention to themselves by singing songs in front of large audiences"  I do seem to remember there being some explanation for why Dumbledore neglected to mention the Sorting Hat's original owner, as well.. though annoyingly I cannot find it. Either way.. I still don't think she'd make the same mistake twice.. unless Dumbledore never knew that the Put-Outer belonged to Gryffindor, which I think is unlikely, but possible
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Apr 10 2007, 03:17 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 56 Joined: 12:11pm March 19, 2007 |
If the death eaters found out about where harry goes in the summer and they go after him, could harry use the put-outer to turn out all the lights and give him the chance to escape? Just an idea i had!
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Apr 13 2007, 09:20 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 3 Joined: 12:37am March 3, 2007 |
QUOTE(The DA's new recruit @ Apr 10 2007, 04:17 AM) [snapback]1174317[/snapback] If the death eaters found out about where harry goes in the summer and they go after him, could harry use the put-outer to turn out all the lights and give him the chance to escape? Just an idea i had! It may help him a bit, but the put-outer doesn't cause complete, impenetrable darkness, like peruvian instant darkness powder would. After DD used it, he could see where he was going in order to proceed down the street to the Dursley's, he and McGonagall were still able to see each other. Same goes for the OOtP - when Moody used it, they could still see each other and where they were going. I think the point is just to turn off nearby lights, so you're not under a spotlight as you walk down the street. It just makes it so you're less noticeable from afar, as in people looking out windows, down from broomsticks, etc. This post has been edited by sullac2: Apr 13 2007, 09:21 PM |
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Apr 13 2007, 09:46 PM
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Buying a Half-Kneazle Posts: 520 Joined: 11:43am March 19, 2007 Location: Canadian witchcraft school |
The put-outer and the locket are just coincidence. The DE's will find out where Harry spends part of his summer. They will not be able to get to him before he turns 17 because of the magical protection that he has. Before Harry turns seventeen he will be picked up by members of the Order who will be using the Put-outer before the DE's show up.
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Apr 13 2007, 09:51 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 76 Joined: 12:42pm April 10, 2007 Location: Pittsburgh by way of California and Scotland |
Here's a far-fetched theory:
Ravenclaw was associated with wisdom and scholarship, right? One of the traditional symbols of scholarship and learning is a lamp. What if the Ravenclaw horcrux is a lamp? The put-outer might be used to help destroy it somehow? Just a random idea. Have we seen any special lamps at any point? I'm trying to think of something, but nothing is popping into my mind at present. |
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Apr 13 2007, 09:54 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 40 Joined: 11:00am January 8, 2007 |
Great thread! I also thought of the "put-outer" as a clue (as did my Mom) when we re-read all these books. I was not aware of the art on the first book for the UK so I agree -- that is a very interesting clue and as we all know, JKR is very keen on details -- what is disclosed, what is hidden. So the fact that the S appears and there are rubies is very interesting -- she would not overlook their significance since she had already mapped out all seven books because she pitched it to her publisher.
Another "clue" I thought was the "good-luck" that Dumbledore verbalized when he left Harry on the door step. I thought, "that's a weird thing to say to a little baby when you leave them." It struck me as maybe signalling a time travel type event -- maybe Harry had to go back to the day he was "marked" to put things right.... Just an off-topic thought that has been haunting me ever since Book 5!  |
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