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First Loves, setting you up for a fall?

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 09:29 PM Post #1
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	Why do you think first love plays such a pivotal role for the central players and plot the books? Ron ends up with Hermione, Harry with Ginny, Snape did all he did due to his first love, et cetera. (can i add Dumbledore and his first love, Grindelwald to the list........arguably essential to the plot) Sure they may have played the field a bit with a star Bulgarian seeker, or the hot vulnerable Asian girl (player player plaaaaaaya).....But they all ended up with there first loves where possible. Now don't get me wrong this is cool, but when reading the books in my 20s it got me thinking about my first love...she was lovely, shame I wasn't.....and i don't know any of my friends that have ended up with thire first loves. What im trying to say is....if I had of read the books in my early teens, i think i would have found brake ups more traumatic.....just me?

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Zoom Oomfirstclass View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 11:55 PM Post #2
Buying a Half-Kneazle Posts: 525 Joined: 10:49am October 21, 2006	Hahah I tried to convince myself I had fallen for my "first love" but that went down the drain, so I'm not too sure how qualified I am (also adding the fact that I'm 16 years old...). Anyways, It's a classic fantasy story, and the wizardring (is that a word...?) population is pretty small so the choices are somewhat limited. It's more romantic to see that they've grown up knowing each other and have gotten to mature together. They don't actually play too much of a significance in teh grand scheme of things. Ginny/Harry made for interesting ways to contrast life on the run (most of book 7) with pure bliss with Ginny. Ron and Hermione was mainly just comic relief and showed both of their insecurities (re: the big fight during most of book 6). -------------------- Harry Potter commemorative poster: http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8418/harr...osteredited.jpg

roonwit View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 07:22 AM Post #3
Leaky Lounge Over Achiever Posts: 9,330 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK	Ginny wasn't Harry's first love (though Harry was Ginny's). Harry certainly knew for Ginny, who appeared to him as a shy little girl in the early books, but it is only really in HBP (and to a lesser extent in OotP) that he sees enough of her personality to fall in love with. So Harry's first love was definitely Cho. Ron and Hermione is more arguable. There has definitely always been something there, but I think it is difficult to point to the moment that friendship turned to love. -------------------- W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo

Cadders View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 10:37 AM Post #4
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 7 Joined: 10:40am June 18, 2009 Location: England UK	Well i dont know about first loves being important as hardly any of them came to fruition, though i would agree that the pesence of love was allllways very important to establish the vitality of love as a force stronger than any magic possessed. Love being the reason why Snape was trusted and why Voldemort was never able to toch harry or understand the true power in the wizarding world #Must be love luuurv luurv# XD -------------------- "The last enemy to be defeated is Death"

George Weasley... George Weasley's Girlfriend View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 10:59 AM Post #5
Butterbeer Connoisseur Posts: 1,502 Joined: 4:37pm February 6, 2007 Location: The Room of Requirement	I don't think that Cho was Harry's first love anymore than Lavender was Ron's. I think that Cho was Harry's first crush, but that Ginny was his first love. And Ron loved Hermione for quite sometime, admitted it in book 6 without realizing he really said it and by book 7, well you see where that went. As for me, I'm glad my first love didn't work out. I think I would rather sit in a bathtub full of glass than endure that volatile relationship again. -------------------- My beautiful Harry/Ginny avatar is compliments of jilly_wood. My awesome Weasley avatars are courtesy of theonlysong.

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 11:46 AM Post #6
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jun 30 2009, 04:59 PM) I don't think that Cho was Harry's first love anymore than Lavender was Ron's. I think that Cho was Harry's first crush, but that Ginny was his first love. Im so with you on this, just look at the brake up....they just drifted apart. That was not the fall out of a first love! QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jun 30 2009, 04:59 PM) As for me, I'm glad my first love didn't work out. I think I would rather sit in a bathtub full of glass than endure that volatile relationship again. hehehe

roonwit View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 03:18 PM Post #7
Leaky Lounge Over Achiever Posts: 9,330 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK	QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jun 30 2009, 04:59 PM) I don't think that Cho was Harry's first love anymore than Lavender was Ron's. I think that Cho was Harry's first crush, but that Ginny was his first love. Yes, but how to you determine what is a crush and what is love? You could argue that, until they hooked up in HBP, that Ginny only had a crush on Harry, which would make Ginny's first love Michael Corner or Dean. -------------------- W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo

George Weasley... George Weasley's Girlfriend View Member Profile	Jun 30 2009, 03:54 PM Post #8
Butterbeer Connoisseur Posts: 1,502 Joined: 4:37pm February 6, 2007 Location: The Room of Requirement	QUOTE(roonwit @ Jun 30 2009, 03:18 PM) QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jun 30 2009, 04:59 PM) I don't think that Cho was Harry's first love anymore than Lavender was Ron's. I think that Cho was Harry's first crush, but that Ginny was his first love. Yes, but how to you determine what is a crush and what is love? You could argue that, until they hooked up in HBP, that Ginny only had a crush on Harry, which would make Ginny's first love Michael Corner or Dean. I think if Harry actually loved Cho he would have worked a bit harder to make it work. Same thing with Ron and Lavender. If you truely love someone you work hard to keep it together. In both instances this never happened except with Ginny and Harry and Ron and Hermione. -------------------- My beautiful Harry/Ginny avatar is compliments of jilly_wood. My awesome Weasley avatars are courtesy of theonlysong.

roonwit View Member Profile	Jul 1 2009, 01:15 PM Post #9
Leaky Lounge Over Achiever Posts: 9,330 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK	QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jun 30 2009, 09:54 PM) I think if Harry actually loved Cho he would have worked a bit harder to make it work. Same thing with Ron and Lavender. If you truely love someone you work hard to keep it together. In both instances this never happened except with Ginny and Harry and Ron and Hermione. The problem with Cho is by the time he hooked up with her she was a rather different person, damaged by the death of Cedric, and so not really the person Harry first fell for. So I don't think you can conclude that Harry didn't love her originally. Also it looks like Ginny did work at her relationship with Dean, because it kept going even once it started to be rocky (and unlike Ron, I think Ginny was quite able to dump her partner if she had chosen to do so). -------------------- W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jul 1 2009, 03:37 PM Post #10
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	Purely from a male point of view, the descriptions of Harry's feelings for Cho never came close to love. As George Weasley's Girlfriend says, if Harry actually loved Cho he would have worked a bit harder to make it work. BUT......you make an interesting point when you say QUOTE Yes, but how to you determine what is a crush and what is love? You could argue that, until they hooked up in HBP, that Ginny only had a crush on Harry, which would make Ginny's first love Michael Corner or Dean. IMHO Ginny did have a crush on Harry till they hooked up, then it turned into sweet sweet love, something that her attractions/relationship to Michael Corner or Dean never did. Im sure we have all had relationships girlfriends/boyfriends/bedfellows we didn't love, it takes time.....well it dose for me.

The_Courtezan View Member Profile	Jul 1 2009, 11:27 PM Post #11
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 60 Joined: 3:03pm August 19, 2006 Location: way down south, where the buffaloes grow	I think the characters who all end up having that "first love" experience you're talking about aren't necessarily tied just because of love, but because of the friendships they share with the person they end up with (or, in the case of Snape, end up longing for all his life sob). Ron and Hermione were friends before anything else, and Ginny and Harry didn't actually do anything until Ginny got her act together and started being a normal human being around Harry. Snape and Lily were friends from the start...it was only when Snape gained friendship with a bunch of soon-to-be-Death Eaters that he lost Lily's friendship, trust, and potential love. -------------------- Amoebas were not complex. They tore themselves apart and started sex.

horas1 View Member Profile	Jul 2 2009, 01:57 PM Post #12
Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 114 Joined: 11:52am January 31, 2009 Location: Sandston Va	Very good question and responses. I must admit it got me thinking. I have felt that in the JKRowlings Series that her take on romance was unrealistic. After reading these posts, it became clear that the relationships in their first love were very successful. James and Lily, Molly and Arthur, Ron and Hermione, Tonks and Lupin? Harry and Ginny. Everyone of the main four relationships not only ended up marrying but seemed to be very happy. In the muggle world that would be down right unrealistic. If you look back through the books and consider that these were first love, in every case a muggle married a witch, things ended up very bad. One example is the monster himself Voldemort. Same is true of Snape which did a lot to form his personality also. I remember Mam a witch bit of a shock when he found out. But their is no remark that things are working out bad. As long as a Witch does not matter what blood even muggleborn, everything works out and everyone is happy setting a good example for the next generation. Perhaps it is the way they grow up and are schooled, another could being the maturity. Witches and Wizards may mature earlier than muggles. Also, seem to have children earlier. In the magical world they seem to mature quicker than muggles because they seem to marry younger than muggles. That is a way of looking at things that had not occurred to me before. I still am a Hermione and Harry shipper maybe that forms my opinion. When Harry tells Ginny that they can't be together because of you know who. Her answer considering that she has loved him for a long time and they have been so happy in the time we had all she can say that's why " I like you so much." Wow is that realistic. Ron is madder about it than she seems to be. Like you, Please I know its not a romance novel but please. Thanks for taking a look at it in another way. horas1 This post has been edited by horas1: Jul 2 2009, 02:03 PM

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