The Missing Death Eater |
  Apr 13 2006, 11:05 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 38 Joined: 10:05pm April 13, 2006  |
Hi, everybody. Hope you all had some nice free time in which to eat a lot of good food and put on a pound or two (or five in my case... Ah! the evil powers of chocolate!) I just came back to my apartment in France two days ago and found that the electricity company had decided to give me a present as well: no electricity (heating, stove and hot water included). Fortunately, my laptop has some battery left, so I'm happily back at work, writing this article with mittens on. It's hard to write when wearing mittens. I'm very glad my computer has a spell check function… Okay, enough about that. I promised you a hard core HP article this week, so that's what you're going to get.
"And here we have six missing Death Eaters... three dead in my service. One too cowardly to return... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed, of course... and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has already re-entered my service." (GoF, p. 565) These ominous lines were given to us by Lord Voldemort at the end of GoF. I guess most of us thought that with the "one who had left him forever," he was referring to Snape. It seems logical as Snape's now in the Order and all. I personally didn't even stop to think. It was Snape. End of story. Then I read the excellent (in my opinion) editorial "Uncovering Severus Snape" by Cindy Eric, and it really made me think. The only things I found a bit questionable in this article were the parts on the Sorting Hat choosing Slytherins because they hate Muggles and on how Snape might be Voldemort's "most faithful servant." Otherwise I just bow my head to an article full of interesting ideas and solid argumentation. I've even decided to take "article about Snape" off my to-do list as it would be pointless to repeat the same things. I'm still going to do another one on Snape-Harry-Voldemort though, as soon as I get the time. I really recommend this other article to you. Read that. Anyway, this article argues that Snape is probably not the Death Eater referred to as "having left me forever" in Voldemort's speech (above), the reason being that he was probably present in the ring of returning Death Eaters. You can read all the arguments supporting this in the above mentioned article. I personally believe that this is correct, but who then is this missing Death Eater, having supposedly left Voldemort forever? Let's start with what we know from the text: 1) "HE will be killed" = it's a man. 2) It's not "one too cowardly to return" or "my most faithful servant," which excludes Karkaroff and Crouch, Jr. We are told that Karkaroff fled when he felt his mark burn (GoF), and on the pages following the above quote, it's pretty certain that Crouch, Jr. is the "most faithful servant," not Snape as has been argued by some. Best argument against "Snape could be the most faithful servant" is that that wouldn't leave a position open for Crouch, Jr., who's a Death Eater that's not present in the circle, and thus must be among the six missing ones. He's not dead at the time. Voldemort knows that he's neither abandoned him nor fled, ergo he must fulfill the last position of most faithful servant. There are simply no other positions open. 3) It isn't any of the Death Eaters present in the circle (duh), which excludes Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Nott, Macnair, Avery, Wormtail, and the unnamed ones (probably including Snape). It also includes the Death Eaters then imprisoned in Azkaban (Dolohov, Rookwood, the two Lestranges and five others) 4) It must be somebody who was a Death Eater when Voldemort was powerful, at least 14 years before OotP. All present students at Hogwarts can thus be excluded, including all of Ron's older brothers, as they would have been only children back then. 5) "One, who I believe has left me forever." "Believe" indicates that Voldemort isn't entirely sure that this person either a) has truly left him or b) has left him to never come back. It's a bit ambiguous. A) would suggest that it's not somebody in the Order, i.e. somebody who's "openly" allied with Dumbledore against Voldemort (e.g., Arthur Weasley). B) would suggest a person that might have started infiltrating the Order but then been won over by that side and renounced Voldemort (kind of like Snape, but not Snape). I'm personally leaning towards A rather than B. Okay, that was the text part; now, over to the logic part. 1) It has to be a character of some consequence, because he will probably have quite a big role to play in the last books. I doubt very much that it'll be a new character or somebody that nobody knows anything of (like Professor Tufty for example). I think JKR will use this character as a surprise, a little shock to the readers who didn't think he was a Death Eater at all. 2) Okay, this gives us quite a list. My possible candidates are: Prof. Flitwick, Prof. Binns and Hagrid at Hogwarts; Lupin, Mundungus, Kingsley, Arthur Weasley, Moody, Aberforth, Dumbledore and Sirius in the Order; and Lockhart, Crouch, Sr., Bagman, Amos Diggory and Cornelius Fudge in general society. Let's take them off one by one shall we? Prof. Flitwick: in the Order and seems way too sweet and nice. Prof. Binns: totally uninterested by anything except History of Magic. Hagrid: Too close to Dumbledore Lupin: Seems too decent, gut feeling. Mundungus: a crook that was helped out of a tight spot by Dumbledore some sixteen years ago. Possible, but I don't think so. Kingsley: I really don't think so, plus I have him on my "canon fodder" list. Arthur Weasley: Too close to Dumbledore Moody: same thing, plus he'd probably not have been as effective in catching Death Eaters if he was one of them. Aberforth: I think that Aberforth is the barman in the Hog's Head (he kind of looks like Dumbledore and there is a smell of goats around the place). I think he was the one who threw out the eavesdropping DE the night of Prof. Trelawney's first prophecy (and no, I don't think that the eavesdropper was Mundungus). Plus, he's Dumbledore's brother, so no. Dumbledore: That would be pretty bad. Dumbledore's the only person Voldemort fears and the only one that calls him "Tom" and isn't afraid of him. I really can't see him being Voldy's humble servant. Sirius: No, because he seems to hate everything about dark magic. Plus, he's dead now so there's no point for him to play that role. Lockhart: He's too poor a wizard and too vain to recognize Voldemort as his master. Crouch. Sr.: Fought hard against Voldemort and is also dead = no point Bagman: I think he's a bit too thick, to tell you the truth. He's like a sporty version of Lockhart. Amos Diggory: Too concerned about what's right. Okay, for all the above characters I don't think that they're the missing Death Eaters for more or less fuzzy reasons, but the most important one is that Voldemort's words can only apply to ONE person, and I think that that person is Cornelius Fudge (i.e., if it is Fudge, then all the others are excluded automatically, like with Neville and Harry: if one of them is the One, the other one isn't, as there can only be ONE One). I thus don't really have to prove that each character above isn't the missing Death Eater, only that the one character I've chosen is (i.e. attacks should be on the argumentation concerning Fudge, not on the short arguments above as they are of no consequence). Why Fudge? Well, for a bunch of different reasons: 1) He's very ambitious and doesn't mind using dishonest tricks to remain in power (e.g. badmouthing Harry and Dumbledore, changing Harry's hearing at the last minute and creating new (pretty fascist) school rules.) 2) He's very good friends with Lucius Malfoy and places too much importance in the "purity of blood" (GoF). 3) This person described by Voldemort is one who was a Death Eater but who left Voldemort but probably didn't join the opposing side (the Order), as indicated by "believe." He probably wasn't one of Voldemort's most ardent supporters (i.e., he could have been unknown by most of the other Death Eaters) as Voldemort doesn't specify who he is. I get an image of an ambitious character who probably turned to Voldemort out of fear and/or to achieve power and then, when he had achieved that power, wanted to leave him. He probably left after Voldemort's fall, as there seems to be no clear rupture between them (for one thing, he's still alive), when he deemed it safe to be his own master again. He's now extremely happy with the situation, able to suppress the memory of his Death Eater days and scared to death that Voldemort will return as that would ruin his life and career. Sounds like somebody we know? If we look at Fudge's background we find that he worked for the Ministry but that he only got the Minister of Magic job when Crouch, Sr.'s son was judged a Death Eater (maybe there was a reason to why Crouch, Jr. got caught?...). Fudge then became MoM and kept very close to Dumbledore in the beginning (looking for protection in case his old master came back?...) but then got more and more confident (as time passed without Voldemort coming back) and stopped listening to Dumbledore. Other than that, we don't know much about him. Nothing of his background, his time at Hogwarts, etc. (although I'd be willing to bet that he was a Slytherin). He's a bit mysterious. 4) This character (the missing DE) ought to be extremely afraid that Voldemort should ever come back. That would ruin his world. He does not want that and will try to prevent it in any way possible (makes sense, Voldemort would kill him). What is Fudge's reaction when Harry tells him about Voldemort's rebirth? Denial. Very strong denial even. Fudge simply refuses to believe the truth and continues on this path all through Book 5. He'd rather believe that Harry has lost his mind and that Dumbledore is conspiring against him, even though that makes no sense. Fudge is not stupid. If he'd look at things in a rational way, he'd see that the only sensible explanation is the one offered by Harry and Dumbledore. He doesn't. He refuses to. If he's been a Death Eater, he'll have the Mark. He'll have felt it burn the night of Voldemort's return, just like Snape and the others. This could be why he reacts so strongly when Snape shows him his Mark. I mean, he lets out a yelp of fear. As I understood it, nobody but the Death Eaters knows about the Mark on the arm of all of Voldemort's supporters (if it was general knowledge, then the "good guys" would have had it a lot easier at the trials, for example). If Fudge hasn't been a DE, he wouldn't know about it, so why then react so strongly when he saw it on Snape's arm? Sure, the Mark in itself is a scary thing, but I think that there is more to it than that. Especially as, a little while later, he seems to give in to reason and says, "He can't be back Dumbledore, he just can't" (GoF). This seems to be a wish rather than a rational statement. In his heart he knows the truth but he refuses to see it. He most certainly felt his Mark burn too, but explained it away somehow (like some women manage to convince themselves that they're not pregnant (God, I'm getting fat, must cut down on the chocolate) and panic when they "all of a sudden" get severe contractions. ("It must be something I ate! Help!")). It's like the Muggles who are so easy to hide magic from because they simply refuse to believe in it, even if a stone turns into a cow in front of them. That is how I see Cornelius Fudge in Books 4 and 5. He sees what he wants to see. 5) Fudge's relationship with Lucius Malfoy and other DE (like Nott and Macnair). Karkaroff said when witnessing that the DE didn't know who all the other DE were. At Voldemort's rebirth, Voldemort named some of the DE and just went past others in silence, not revealing who they were. If Fudge used to be a Death Eater, it's possible (and even probable) that most of the other ones didn't know about him. I think that we can be pretty sure that some knew however, and that Cornelius knew about them in return. Fudge is Minister of Magic. Several DE work for the Ministry. Wonder how that came about... Malfoy reeks of Dark Magic, and everybody in the Order knows exactly where his loyalties lie. In spite of that, he was never convicted as a DE (even though he was probably the most well-known among the DE themselves, seeing as he's very close to Voldemort). Again, I wonder why that is... This is, of course, a big conspiracy theory, but what if the DE who work at the MoM are the ones who know about Fudge? Maybe there's blackmail involved. Maybe in both directions (i.e., Malfoy shuts up about Fudge if Fudge shuts up about Malfoy, not to forget all the money that Malfoy gives to Fudge. I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine...). It seems like a big game, who is manipulating whom, really? This is what I think: Fudge is the DE referred to by Voldemort as the one who has probably left him forever. He knows that Malfoy and the other DE who work at the MoM used to be DE but probably thinks that they've done what he's done and decided to work for themselves. Lucius and co. are smart enough not to fill him in on their boss's return because Cornelius does such a good job unconsciously helping them (or is it really unconsciously? Maybe he knows that Voldemort is back and figures that his best chance of survival is to play along, or at least not oppose him...). Cornelius has achieved his ambitions, and now he wants things to stay the way they are. He doesn't want to get dragged into a conflict between Voldemort's supporters and Voldemort's opponents, and he doesn't want his previous alliance to be known to the public because they'd kick him out of office. I think that this is the key to Fudge: he doesn't really care about much except securing his own power. (In PoA, for example, does he protect Harry because he's concerned about him or because it would be very bad publicity to have Harry killed by an Azkaban fugitive?) This leaves one question: What does he know about Snape, Wormtail and Sirius and their connections to Voldemort? Malfoy seemingly didn't know about Sirius being an animagus before Wormtail told them all somewhere between Books 4 and 5, so the other DE probably didn't either. It's possible that Fudge was unaware of the whole "Wormtail being the true spy and DE"-part and thought that he was going after the right man in PoA. More interesting still is his relationship to Snape. Obviously Fudge knows that Snape used to be a DE (everybody does), but what does Snape know? Remember that Snape and Malfoy are very close. I think he knows about Fudge, but for some reason or other, he's chosen not to reveal this little piece of especially juicy information to the rest of the Order (or maybe Dumbledore knows, who knows? He's famous for being discrete and giving second chances after all...). This theory (if it's correct) opens up for a whole new twist on the story. Many people have guessed that Percy will play a pivotal role in Books 6 and 7 and that he'll have to make a choice about whose side he wants to fight on. Percy, who in Book 5 is made Junior Undersecretary to none other than Cornelius Fudge... A good position for getting to know things about his employer... Maybe Fudge hired him to get information on the Weasleys and on Dumbledore (he probably did), but he just might get impaled upon his own sword if he's not careful. This also creates a need for a new Minister of Magic (Fudge's bad handling of Voldemort's return might be smoothed over, but the fact that he once was a part of the "team" certainly won't be. Assuming he survives, Voldemort has vowed to kill him after all. He'll probably be dead the moment he no longer can be of use to the DE). Who knows, maybe Arthur Weasley will get the top job as so many seem to think. As for Fudge, he'll have to choose sides at the beginning of Book 6 and his choice will be an essential one: will he join forces with Dumbledore, or will he go back to Voldemort in an attempt to save his own skin? (Also, does he or does he not have an army of fire creatures to help whatever side he picks?) All credit goes to http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/ -------------------- The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord Approaches,born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have powers the dark lord knows not. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives,
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Apr 14 2006, 01:07 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 29 Joined: 6:24pm March 1, 2006 Location: Searching for Horcruxes |
Interesting theory, and reasonably convincing too. But I just can't see Fudge being the DE that LV believes he has lost forever (gut feeling). Certainly, Fudge's lack of action and initiative whilst he was Minister for Magic helped LV's cause no end and obstructed the work of the Order, but I really feel that he's the ideal "blind politician" character, who is useful in a narrative as an opposite for those who have realised the danger and the challenges ahead. For me Fudge is a representative of that part of the wizarding population who just didn't want to believe that LV was back and that the days of peace and harmony were gone.
I have a theory (which may well be an extremely long shot) that RAB is the DE LV believes is gone forever and, should he return, who will be killed. This of course would mean that RAB is not already dead and that LV is aware that he has broken faith with him. Due to the note left in the locket, it is also safe to assume that he has, or will, play a major role in events, since Harry's quest seems now to be to destroy all the remaining Horcruxes. But, of course, I'm open to debate on this and on my views on Fudge not necessarily being a DE. |
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Apr 14 2006, 01:40 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 38 Joined: 10:05pm April 13, 2006 |
Quote: I have a theory (which may well be an extremely long shot) that RAB is the DE LV believes is gone forever and, should he return, who will be killed. This of course would mean that RAB is not already dead and that LV is aware that he has broken faith with him. Due to the note left in the locket, it is also safe to assume that he has, or will, play a major role in events, since Harry's quest seems now to be to destroy all the remaining Horcruxes. But, of course, I'm open to debate on this and on my views on Fudge not necessarily being a DE.
Some how i dissagree. "I know i will be dead long before you read this" To me that says that whoever R.A.B is he knew when or around when LV would check his horcrux. And it sounded like he knew that he was going to die. He couldn't be more powerful than Dumbldore because of : 1, Presuming that R.A.B is Regulas Artulas Black! Well how can a 15 or 18 year old wizard possibily be greater that DD? 2. Dumbldore is said to be the most powerful wizard of the age. -------------------- The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord Approaches,born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have powers the dark lord knows not. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives,
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Apr 14 2006, 02:39 AM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 607 Joined: 12:56pm February 28, 2006 |
I would have been convinced by your theory had it not been for the one sentence that snape said in response to a similar line of comment by Bellatrix. He said something like"by delaying my arrival for 2 hours, I was able to maintain my position at Hogwarts". Hence your arguement that snape was among the DEs in the graveyard does not hold.
Also, I really like the idea of fudge the DE, because he has always managed to be very similar to a DE in so many ways. However, Even with his reluctance to accept LV's return, with his reluctance to take action, with giving out the false sense of security to people, giving harry the stupidest trial of a century, questioning harry and DD's sanity constantly, and leading propaganda against anyone who thinks LV is back, in my mind he still does not have to be a DE to accomplish all of this. Because all of his odd behaviors and attitudes from the end of bk4 to end of bk5 can easily be explained by 3 facts: 1. like most people, he is in denial. 2. He thinks DD is trying to take his position as minister by giving people wrong information and leading them to believe that he is more capable than fudge in handling the issue. 3. He is afraid. again, sometimes fear does lead to denial. In fact in some severe cases, it leads to just that! and LV's return and the idea that fudge would have to deal with what another man before him had dealt with during LV's last rise to power, is faire enough reason to accept that the old man is seeing himself overwhelmed with the implications of what DD and Harry are suggesting. and one last reason,....he's just a fool! This post has been edited by ~*HPFanatic*~: Apr 14 2006, 02:40 AM -------------------- Merry: I don't know why he's so upset. It's only a couple of carrots.
Pippin: And some cabbages. And then those three bags of potatoes we lifted last week, and, and, the mushrooms, the week before. Merry: Yes, Pippin, my point is, he's clearly overreacting. Run! |
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 Apr 14 2006, 03:08 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 38 Joined: 10:05pm April 13, 2006 |
~~I agree with you whole heartadly~~
~~But remember Snape only returned on DD's orders~~ -------------------- The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord Approaches,born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have powers the dark lord knows not. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives,
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Apr 14 2006, 03:38 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 454 Joined: 9:10am April 10, 2006 Location: In a world of my own...  |
We have a problem. When Voldemort says, "Here we have six missing Death Eaters," does he mean, "Here we have six missing Death Eaters", including 3 dead, 1 unfaithful, 1 loyal? Or "Here we have six missing Death Eaters", as well as 3 dead, 1 unfaithful, 1 loyal?
The first would mean that Snape fits into the unfaithful category which rules out your theory entirely seeing as Snape was not in the circle of Death Eaters, he's not dead and he's not the loyal one. This post has been edited by _pureblood_: Apr 14 2006, 03:38 AM -------------------- "Would you like me to do it now... or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?"
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Apr 14 2006, 03:42 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 38 Joined: 10:05pm April 13, 2006 |
He could be the one "Who has left us forever, he will pay" which would provid people who think Snape is a goodie and is inoccent with some back up!
-------------------- The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord Approaches,born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have powers the dark lord knows not. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives,
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Apr 14 2006, 03:52 AM
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Wizard Rock Band Posts: 255 Joined: 6:58am January 8, 2006 Location: Handing out Potter Stinks badges |
I think the reason Fudge was in denial about the whole thing was because he was Minister of Magic. All the wizards and witches in Britain would be looking for him to protect them and Fudge couldn't deal with that without turning to Dumbledore again. If he announced that LV was back, he'd look like the incompetant fool that he really is.
R.A.B is probably the missing DE, or possibly Snape. I just really don't think it's Fudge. This post has been edited by serp: Apr 14 2006, 03:54 AM -------------------- ... Severus Snape ... 'After all this time?' 'Always.' MoRsEmOrDrE  Slytherin:It's in the blood |
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Apr 14 2006, 03:54 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 454 Joined: 9:10am April 10, 2006 Location: In a world of my own... |
Snape isn't the "one, too cowardly to return" because that's Karkaroff, he's not "my most faithful servant" because that's Crouch Jr. so he's got to be "one who I believe has left me forever."
This post has been edited by _pureblood_: Apr 14 2006, 03:54 AM -------------------- "Would you like me to do it now... or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?"
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Apr 14 2006, 03:55 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 38 Joined: 10:05pm April 13, 2006 |
QUOTE(Christadelphian @ Apr 14 2006, 04:42 PM) [snapback]783576[/snapback] He could be the one "Who has left us forever, he will pay" which would provid people who think Snape is a goodie and is inoccent with some back up! As i said previously 
-------------------- The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord Approaches,born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have powers the dark lord knows not. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives,
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