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Nurmengard - a concentration camp?, And what about Azkaban?
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post Sep 11 2008, 05:39 AM
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Nurmengard - a concentration camp?
And what about Azkaban?

Nurmengard - the "other" prison for wizards, was installed by Grindelwald, as we have learned from DD. In the name of the "Greater Good", of course. Taking a closer look Nurmengard closely resembles the institution of the Nazi concentration camps, and served more or less the same purpose, that is to lock behind bars those who were not wanted by the regime for whatever reason.
In Nazi concentration these were members of so-called "inferior races" (Jews, Sinti, Roma, etc.), political adversaries (social-democrats, communists, liberals), and those having a different belief (notably including a number of christian commitments).
For Nurmengard we may safely assume a pretty similar combination of the aforementioned larger groups, yet the definitions would be different. "Inferior" would be all those descending from at least one Muggle parent (as well as squibs), the political adversaries would here be all who actively oppose the regime, of different belief those do not care for the blood status.
The alledged purpose in both cases would be to re-educate the "disbelivers", and to eliminate all "inferiors" by whatever means.
Do you see the parallels? Are the Nazi concentration camps the "model" for Nurmengard? Does the name "Nurmengard" hold any clue as to what we have to imagine?

Now what distinguishes Nurmengard from Azkaban?
We don't know much about how Nurmengard was protected. A safe assumption would be that all means of magical transport like the Floo network, (side-along) apparition, use of brooms, etc. would be made impossible by counter-jinxes. But what else? Can you imagine?
In contrast, we know rather precisely what other measures to preclude escape have been taken at Azkaban. Of course, I'm talking about Dementors being in charge as guards. Their deleterious influence on almost all prisoners (with the notable exception of Sirius) made it impossible for said prisoners to come up with coherent thoughts about fleeing. My question is, if this is not again reminding of a concentration camp, where the personality of the imprisoned was likely to be broken?

What are your thoughts?


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QUOTE(Professor L E Snape @ Oct 1 2008, 12:26 PM) *
in OOTP DD says that he will not go to Azkaban ("I could escape, of course")

I always assumed that was Dumbledore just saying that. To give the minister the impression that there was no way Dumbledore would comply with him and no way he had control over Dumbledore. ponder.gif


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- innkeeper_tom   Nurmengard - a concentration camp?   Sep 11 2008, 05:39 AM
- - Anna-leden   I think you're right about the nazi/concentrat...   Sep 19 2008, 01:40 PM
- - Name Unknown   I have a feeling that Nurmengard is sort of like t...   Sep 23 2008, 06:40 PM
- - Hatun punchaw   I just wonder if it anybody aside from Gellert was...   Sep 28 2008, 02:54 PM
- - Name Unknown   Maybe it was Gellert and his officers (We don...   Sep 28 2008, 03:38 PM
- - ShanksForte   It is (partially) based off a Nazi concentration c...   Sep 28 2008, 04:43 PM
- - Professor L E Snape   I may be wrong but I thought Grindelwald built Nur...   Oct 1 2008, 11:26 AM
- - Name Unknown   I think that when DD defeated GG, GG sort of gave ...   Oct 1 2008, 02:33 PM
- - Name Unknown   I don't know, I'm pretty sure that Dumbled...   Oct 1 2008, 02:53 PM
- - Sirius_Craic   You are probably right. I have this kind of thing ...   Oct 1 2008, 03:14 PM
- - Professor L E Snape   I agree, but I still get the impression that DUmbl...   Oct 1 2008, 04:30 PM
- - Name Unknown   I would say that he didn't get the chance. He ...   Oct 1 2008, 05:44 PM
- - Sirius_Craic   Then again it goes back to what Dumbledore said ab...   Oct 2 2008, 04:51 AM
- - janspach   I like the theory that Grindelwald lost his will a...   Oct 2 2008, 01:49 PM
- - katihpfan   About Nurmengard - I see how it can be construed a...   Oct 13 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Professor L E Snape   QUOTE(katihpfan @ Oct 13 2008, 08:41 PM) ...   Oct 13 2008, 02:44 PM
- - potterish10010   Forget, did GG build Nurmengard? If so he probabl...   Oct 21 2008, 06:04 PM
- - Name Unknown   Here's a though that just passed through my he...   Oct 21 2008, 06:38 PM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(Name Unknown @ Oct 21 2008, 06:38 P...   Oct 22 2008, 10:49 PM
- - potterish10010   QUOTEHermione said that Grindelwald had Nurmengard...   Oct 28 2008, 07:17 PM
- - Name Unknown   That is a very good theory. I think that we can be...   Nov 8 2008, 08:56 AM
- - Frommfilm   There's another way in which Nurmengard resemb...   Jan 5 2009, 06:11 PM
- - Name Unknown   The similarity pointed out by FrommFilm lets us se...   Jan 5 2009, 06:26 PM
- - JohannMdlAmerica   Gruess Gott!, Herr Tom! I see more of Spa...   Jan 27 2009, 12:48 PM
|- - Archus   QUOTE(JohannMdlAmerica @ Jan 27 2009, 01...   Apr 19 2009, 01:01 PM
- - shaylee_ann   Oh, I never about it like this. *shivers* But I ag...   Mar 3 2009, 11:09 PM
- - bellablack1976   I think that this might be evidence or Grindelwald...   Mar 21 2009, 01:58 AM
- - potterish10010   Q: Do we know if GG tried to talk over any specifi...   Apr 22 2009, 09:08 PM
- - Emms   I always assumed that Grindelwald's doings had...   May 28 2009, 12:57 PM
- - Speedy03   Was Nurmengard a concentration camp? I really don...   Jun 15 2009, 03:33 PM
- - emmalinnankivi   That's a very good point! I never thought ...   Jun 23 2009, 02:26 PM
- - lupinwandcaster   This is just another example of Jo drawing paralle...   Jun 27 2009, 09:08 PM
- - Name Unknown   One has to remember, Tom Riddle was returning to a...   Jul 2 2009, 09:21 AM
- - riczhang   The concentration camp thing makes sense to me.   Jul 13 2009, 08:27 PM
- - dpt24   I do think Grindewald is likely involved in World ...   Jul 16 2009, 01:59 PM
- - McTernell   Hitler began to build concentration camps as soon ...   Jul 31 2009, 09:04 AM
- - benditty   Was there any indication that Nurmengard was ever ...   Aug 18 2009, 11:32 PM
- - biggestharrypotterfan   i think it gives a concentration camp-ish vibe, wh...   Aug 18 2009, 11:40 PM
- - patronuscharm734   Nurmenguard certainly has a concentration-camp typ...   Feb 3 2010, 05:50 PM
- - Rainbow*Bubbles   when I was reading DH last time, my Dad read the K...   May 3 2010, 04:30 AM
- - Hermione_Granger76100   It probably is but if you get further info please ...   May 3 2010, 11:23 AM
- - harrydavid   I tried to research this and couldn't find any...   May 3 2010, 08:52 PM
- - phoenix call   You know, I do think that Nurmengard may have been...   May 4 2010, 11:53 AM
- - Rainbow*Bubbles   I asked Dad and he said it reminded him of Nurembu...   May 4 2010, 01:30 PM
- - Evagirl   Nuremburg was also the place, where a lot of anti-...   May 7 2010, 05:59 AM
- - Sirius_Craic   The fact that it sounds similiar to Nuremburg, had...   Jun 9 2010, 03:43 PM
- - Ravendor   QUOTE(Sirius_Craic @ Jun 9 2010, 04:43 PM...   Jun 9 2010, 08:05 PM


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