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post Jul 4 2005, 09:36 AM
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Welcome to the Obscurus Thread for Idea generation, Questions, and Concerns.  This is an 'upgrade,' or a more official version of the previous Nick's Idea Generating Thread.  

To start off, here is a short description of Obscurus:
Obscurus is the place for academic analysis of the HP books, discussions of meaning, symbolism, and deeper themes in the HP series.  As opposed to the other forums in Flourish and Blotts, Obscurus discussions tend to look at HP from the outside, as the literary works they are.

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Hi, everyone, first time posting here. I have a question about Voldemort's horcruxes. In the second book when Tom Riddle was able to feed off of Ginny and come out of the book, did that mean that there were two Voldemort's right then in the world? Also, couldn't there have been theoretically more of himself... even eight!?


I could be way off base here, but I think the critical thing was the 'feeding off of another.' So with the diary, Ginny had poured so much of herself into it, the piece of soul was able to interact with the world via her intact soul, though in a very weak way until Riddle actually rendered her unconscious in the Chamber. In that same way, the Locket was able to produce 'copies' of Harry and Hermione to protect itself and torment Ron in DH. The piece of soul was in close contact with the three of them for enough time to gain some life of its own. That is why we don't see the cup and the diadem fighting back, no one had given those pieces of soul any of themselves.
I guess the question is: is it possible to have more than one corporeal Tom Riddle in the world? If the diary horcrux really managed to absorb so much of Ginny's soul in the Chamber of Secrets, the horcrux would probably gain a human body. Then together there would be two active Tom Riddle's in the world, one in the CoS, another in Albania. What would happen then?

I sort of believe it is possible to have more than one corporeal self in Voldemort's case, because as MysteryloverAnne says, the Tom Riddle that came from the diary would have consumed the "energy" of Ginny's soul, so he would be able to walk and talk and kill. The real question is probably: would Voldemort prefer merging the two corporeal selves together or living with two bodies? Scary, really. LOL
Jo touches on this subject on her website:
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In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary?
I can’t answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably.
Having read all seven books, I'm really not quite sure what she meant by that answer. But she seems to imply that somehow they could have merged into a stronger single person.


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QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 4 2009, 02:42 AM) *
Jo touches on this subject on her website:
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In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary?
I can’t answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably.
Having read all seven books, I'm really not quite sure what she meant by that answer. But she seems to imply that somehow they could have merged into a stronger single person.
The way I read it the important revelation is that the diary was a horcrux. If Tom escapes the diary you not only have two Voldemorts to fight, one of which would be a horcrux and therefore hard to destroy. I don't think Diary Riddle and Voldemort could merge back into one person, because it takes remorse to undo the splitting of a soul, but Diary Riddle would much more effective at getting a new body for Voldemort than either Wormtail or Quirrell, and Voldemort's soul could possess Diary Riddle until then.


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The way I read it the important revelation is that the diary was a horcrux. If Tom escapes the diary you not only have two Voldemorts to fight, one of which would be a horcrux and therefore hard to destroy.
First off, she says that she can't give the full answer until after all seven books were complete. Since the revelation that the dairy was a horcrux was in book six, I don't see how that could be what she meant. Also, I can't figure out why you would say that a horcrux was harder to destroy than a person. It's the body you kill, not the soul. So it wouldn't be more difficult to kill the body that contained the horcrux. And finally, she says that it would strengthen the present day Voldemort. I don't see how having a duplicate would strengthen the present day Voldemort.

QUOTE(roonwit @ Nov 6 2009, 06:55 PM) *
I don't think Diary Riddle and Voldemort could merge back into one person, because it takes remorse to undo the splitting of a soul
It never occurred to me that the two souls would merge, so no remorse is necessary. I expected that they would occupy the same body. Don't ask me how, Jo didn't explain it.


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