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 Nov 4 2009, 12:01 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 28 Joined: 1:32am October 2, 2009  |
QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 4 2009, 10:42 AM)  Jo touches on this subject on her website: QUOTE Section: F.A.Q. Having read all seven books, I'm really not quite sure what she meant by that answer. But she seems to imply that somehow they could have merged into a stronger single person.In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary? I can't answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably. This answer is certainly vague, considering how weakened Voldemort-in-Albania is in CoS, many things can "strengthen" him. I am curious as to the possible physical appearance of the combination of two soul pieces, if it is possible, though. I've seen ideas (in fanfictions, mostly) that have Voldemort in his 16-year-old appearance and in his 30s/40s (balancing the 16-year-old soul and 60-something-year-old soul). I haven't seen Voldemort still having his snake face, though, probably because fangirls like handsome bad boys. *cough* (But I'm swaying off here...) Another point of interest is how the combination can be done. How is it different from merging back the soul pieces together? The only way known to merging soul pieces back together is to feel remorse, but it is so excruxiatingly painful that it's better to die. Voldemort surely won't feel any remorse, so he probably has to do it with another way. But does it mean that even if Albania-Riddle and diary-Riddle manage to get into one single body, the soul is still broken in two pieces? Yet how can a soul be broken in one single body? It's starting to be confusing... Any thought? |
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Nov 4 2009, 01:40 PM
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Lounge's Mad Science Lab Assistant  Posts: 1,007 Joined: 1:35pm February 27, 2008 Location: In the library, snuggling with Percy  |
QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 3 2009, 09:42 PM) Jo touches on this subject on her website: QUOTE Section: F.A.Q. Having read all seven books, I'm really not quite sure what she meant by that answer. But she seems to imply that somehow they could have merged into a stronger single person.In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary? I can’t answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably. I always thought that if Riddle had succeeded in sapping Ginny's whole life-force then his 16-year-old self would become solid, a person again. If so, then Voldemort would have been restored to his body a full two years earlier than he actually was. Not only that, but his 16-year-old body was in much better shape than the body he gets back in GoF. At that point, it hadn't been ravaged by Dark Magic, so I would say that by book 7, Voldemort would definitely have been much stronger. This post has been edited by Bookworm_Weasley: Nov 4 2009, 01:42 PM -------------------- "Why do you think they're after us, because we're so awesome? I think it's because we're so awesome!" **** "This exchange marked the beginning of Mr Malfoy's long campaign to have me removed from my post as Headmaster of Hogwarts, and of mine to have him removed from his position as Lord Voldemort's Favourite Death Eater."- Albus Dumbledore |
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Nov 4 2009, 05:23 PM
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Diagon Alley Watchwizard Posts: 2,287 Joined: 5:11pm May 4, 2007 Location: Texas |
QUOTE(Bookworm_Weasley @ Nov 4 2009, 02:40 PM) I always thought that if Riddle had succeeded in sapping Ginny's whole life-force then his 16-year-old self would become solid, a person again. If so, then Voldemort would have been restored to his body a full two years earlier than he actually was. Not only that, but his 16-year-old body was in much better shape than the body he gets back in GoF. At that point, it hadn't been ravaged by Dark Magic, so I would say that by book 7, Voldemort would definitely have been much stronger. Yes, Voldemort would have been much stronger physically as the 16 year old Riddle. But he would not have had all the knowledge and experiences that Voldemort gained during his life from 16 until his "death" at Godric's Hollow. Somehow he would have to merge with the spectral Voldemort to have both physical and magical strength and be greater than he would be otherwise.
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Nov 6 2009, 05:55 PM
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Leaky Lounge Over Achiever  Posts: 9,333 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 4 2009, 02:42 AM) Jo touches on this subject on her website: The way I read it the important revelation is that the diary was a horcrux. If Tom escapes the diary you not only have two Voldemorts to fight, one of which would be a horcrux and therefore hard to destroy. I don't think Diary Riddle and Voldemort could merge back into one person, because it takes remorse to undo the splitting of a soul, but Diary Riddle would much more effective at getting a new body for Voldemort than either Wormtail or Quirrell, and Voldemort's soul could possess Diary Riddle until then.
QUOTE Section: F.A.Q. Having read all seven books, I'm really not quite sure what she meant by that answer. But she seems to imply that somehow they could have merged into a stronger single person.In 'Chamber of Secrets', what would have happened if Ginny had died and Tom Riddle had escaped the diary? I can’t answer that fully until all seven books are finished, but it would have strengthened the present-day Voldemort considerably. --------------------  W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo |
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Nov 6 2009, 06:45 PM
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Diagon Alley Watchwizard Posts: 2,287 Joined: 5:11pm May 4, 2007 Location: Texas |
QUOTE(roonwit @ Nov 6 2009, 06:55 PM) The way I read it the important revelation is that the diary was a horcrux. If Tom escapes the diary you not only have two Voldemorts to fight, one of which would be a horcrux and therefore hard to destroy. First off, she says that she can't give the full answer until after all seven books were complete. Since the revelation that the dairy was a horcrux was in book six, I don't see how that could be what she meant. Also, I can't figure out why you would say that a horcrux was harder to destroy than a person. It's the body you kill, not the soul. So it wouldn't be more difficult to kill the body that contained the horcrux. And finally, she says that it would strengthen the present day Voldemort. I don't see how having a duplicate would strengthen the present day Voldemort.QUOTE(roonwit @ Nov 6 2009, 06:55 PM) I don't think Diary Riddle and Voldemort could merge back into one person, because it takes remorse to undo the splitting of a soul It never occurred to me that the two souls would merge, so no remorse is necessary. I expected that they would occupy the same body. Don't ask me how, Jo didn't explain it.
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Jan 7 2010, 06:24 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 1 Joined: 5:43pm January 6, 2010 |
[quote name='Silvia_CMC' date='Nov 3 2009, 11:01 PM' post='1828616']
[quote name='harrydavid' post='1828609' date='Nov 4 2009, 10:42 AM']Jo touches on this subject on her website:[quote]Section: F.A.Q. Another point of interest is how the combination can be done. How is it different from merging back the soul pieces together? The only way known to merging soul pieces back together is to feel remorse, but it is so excruxiatingly painful that it's better to die. Voldemort surely won't feel any remorse, so he probably has to do it with another way. But does it mean that even if Albania-Riddle and diary-Riddle manage to get into one single body, the soul is still broken in two pieces? Yet how can a soul be broken in one single body? It's starting to be confusing... Any thought? [quote] It might be possible for a body to house a split, two-part soul, because if someone commits murder yet doesn't perform the horcrux binding spell, their split soul would presumably remain in their body. |
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Jan 8 2010, 12:21 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 48 Joined: 11:49am December 15, 2009 Location: Southwest Missouri, USA  |
Not sure if this was talked about elsewhere... The Lovegoods. We know how Luna and her father are in terms of beliefs and personality and all... was wondering, has it been discussed if Luna's mother's death kind of unhinged Xenophilius? Was he a bit more grounded in 'reality' while she was alive? I can see that losing his wife could have done that and in the two years of taking care of Luna before she went to Hogwarts his hard time coming to terms with her death may have caused his interests in the apocryphal things he and Luna subscribe to.
On a side note, considering how it tends to run in families, is it safe to assume that both of Luna's parents were Ravenclaw? I know Xenophilius talks about her a great deal with his recreating her diadem, so it leads me to believe he was, but nothing was said about Luna's mother... unless it was in some essay or discussion I've yet to find (which is most likely as I'm new here and haven't found my way around that well as yet). Thank you for your help and consideration 
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Jan 8 2010, 01:06 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 1:00pm January 8, 2010 |
QUOTE(Irene Adler @ Aug 18 2005, 07:01 PM) I have an idea for a thread, but it may be controversial, so I'd like to take it for a test drive here. I'm having a bit of a problem with JKR's treatment of the educational system in her books. Obviously she has modelled Hogwarts to be typical of a British secondary school, and that's not where I have the problems. Even though the school systems in other countries may be slightly different, I think we would all agree that there are good and bad teachers, great and horrible classes, etc. etc. But here is my issue. I was quite disconcerted when Fred and George just dropped out of school without even finishing year 6. Now at the end of HBP, she has Harry considering dropping out as well, to go fight Voldemort. JKR is well aware that many thousands (millions?) of young people will be reading these books, starting at very early ages. Is this the kind of message she should be sending to these young and impressionable people all over the world? Quitting school is OK if it's done for "noble" reasons? It would help if mods and regulars could comment on whether this is an appropriate thread topic. If the mods don't object and there is some general interest, then we could discuss it further in a thread. The English school is very different from the American. In England, after a student finishes "O" levels (like OWLs), they may elect to leave school. Many will continue on to "A" levels (like NEWTs). Therefore it is not at all disparaging school to write that some of the students leave. It is totally acceptable in England. |
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Jan 8 2010, 02:02 PM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,991 Joined: 7:59am June 6, 2006 |
QUOTE(GreatSnapefan @ Jan 8 2010, 06:06 PM) QUOTE(Irene Adler @ Aug 18 2005, 07:01 PM) [color="#000000"]I have an idea for a thread, but it may be controversial, so I'd like to take it for a test drive here. I'm having a bit of a problem with JKR's treatment of the educational system in her books...I was quite disconcerted when Fred and George just dropped out of school without even finishing year 6. Now at the end of HBP, she has Harry considering dropping out as well, to go fight Voldemort...Is this the kind of message she should be sending to these young and impressionable people all over the world? The English school is very different from the American. In England, after a student finishes "O" levels (like OWLs), they may elect to leave school. Therefore it is not at all disparaging school to write that some of the students leave. It is totally acceptable in England. Same in Ireland, students can elect to leave school either after the junior certificate or when they turn 16, whichever comes first. But I think this would make for a really interesting thread, it also has alot of scope for discussion as people's personal opinions will vary so much, as will their perception of the subject in regard to to education systems in different countries. Was this ever established as an individual thread?(the op is over 4 years old) If not, could one be started? --------------------  |
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Jan 8 2010, 11:15 PM
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Director of Farcical Aquatic Ceremonies Posts: 9,187 Joined: 2:55pm January 28, 2005 Location: Classified, until such time as the Ministry sees fit to release it. |
 to Leaky, Niceman, Snoggingvictoire, and GreatSnapefan.Azkaban's_Angel, I'll see if I can find if we have a thread on how JKR dealt with the education system in the series. In the meantime, any of you are welcome to start a thread on that topic. Niceman, the best place to find discussion on the Lovegoods is in the Notable Magical Names forum. We have a thread here that began with what influence Luna's mother had on her choice of dress and developed from there. And we have general poll thread here on what house various characters may have been in. We don't have a thread devoted to the Lovegoods as a family that raises some of the questions you did. You're more than welcome to start a thread on the Lovegoods over in the Notable Magical Names forum.  Pleione LL Mod This post has been edited by Pleione: Jan 8 2010, 11:31 PM |
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