P3 Chat Transcript - 1/7/07, Prophecies |
 Jan 7 2007, 05:25 PM
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*** Theoriser has joined #lounge [19:59] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [19:59] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [20:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:00] <JaneMarple9> Hello ((((everybody!))))) [20:00] <sdcurtis> hello [20:00] <fawkes28> hello everyone :) [20:00] <Theoriser> hello :) [20:00] <JaneMarple9> No Movie night tonight :D [20:00] <Theoriser> how are you all? [20:00] <Aislinn> hi everyone [20:01] <Aislinn> not tonight jane [20:01] <JaneMarple9> I'm good [20:01] <sdcurtis> good [20:01] <fawkes28> but we did have fun with it yesterday [20:01] <sdcurtis> I'm looking forward to this chat on my new faster computer [20:01] <Aislinn> that's always fun, sdcurtis :) [20:01] <harryfreak359> okay, I am here now :) Hi everyone! [20:01] <harryfreak359> that's better [20:02] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:02] <JaneMarple9> hi there harryfreak! [20:02] <Aislinn> hi cbm [20:02] <cbm> Hi everyone! [20:02] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [20:02] <Aislinn> hey Mr M [20:02] <fawkes28> hi cbm and mr. m [20:02] <harryfreak359> I am not feeling to well today, so I may not participate too much :( [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Aislinn, fawkes, et al. [20:02] <harryfreak359> hi Mr.M [20:02] <cbm> Topic says PoA form yesterday, what is the topic? [20:02] <cbm> from [20:03] <MrMcGonagall> Awww, get better, hf! We need you in these chats. [20:03] <fawkes28> hope you feel better, hf [20:03] <harryfreak359> Thanks guys :) [20:03] <Aislinn> guess we forgot to change it cbm :) [20:03] <cbm> NP [20:05] <fawkes28> everyone excited to chat about the Prophecy? [20:05] <cbm> I like talking about Prophecies [20:05] <harryfreak359> Yes, sounds greatly exciting [20:06] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:06] <harryfreak359> Hi Debbie [20:07] <futureweasley> hello hello! [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> hallo folks :) [20:07] <JaneMarple9> hi debbie [20:07] <fawkes28> hi debbie [20:07] <Aislinn> hi debbie [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> hey there [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> I just went for a long walk with no coat in January! Is this nuts or what? [20:08] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [20:08] *** ProfessorPete has joined #lounge [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> Colorado seems to be getting all of our snow this year LOL [20:08] <futureweasley> that is crazy! we've got that going on here, too! [20:08] *** Alex has joined #lounge [20:08] <Aislinn> hi islwyn and pete [20:08] <Islwyn13> Heya, guys! [20:08] <sdcurtis> Michigan would like some of your snow [20:08] <fawkes28> How cold is it there today, Debbie? [20:08] <Aislinn> hi alex [20:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Islwyn and Alex [20:08] <Theoriser> aww, we've had no snow at all yet [20:08] <Islwyn13> My parents live in Colorado...they're getting hammered [20:08] <harryfreak359> Hey Pete! [20:08] <Alex> hey [20:08] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:08] <Islwyn13> brb [20:08] <futureweasley> I live in Michigan. and I say they can keep their snow!! [20:08] <futureweasley> lol [20:08] <Aislinn> hi hrh [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> I think it's in the mid 40's [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> it was 58 or 59 in Bangor yesterday [20:09] <fawkes28> brrr [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> that's *so* warm!!! [20:09] <Alex> no snow it ontario lol [20:09] <sdcurtis> we had snow when I was there last week [20:09] <ProfessorPete> Hello all :) [20:09] <Alex> :) [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, colorado seems to be getting everyone's share of snow this year [20:09] <harryfreak359> they sure aer [20:10] <JaneMarple9> hi islwyn good to see you! And hi to everyone else who came in :) [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> That avalanche was something else. [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> hey HF [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> there was an avalanche? yikes! [20:10] <cbm> I am amazed no one was killed [20:10] <fawkes28> oh, i heard about that [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, took two cars with it on the road. No serious injuries, miraculously. [20:10] *** Alex has quit [Bye] [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> wow EEK [20:10] <harryfreak359> That's good [20:11] <cbm> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070107/D8MGDMGO0.html for the avalanche [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> that must've been terrifying for those people [20:11] <Aislinn> definitely [20:12] *** Buckbeak has joined #lounge [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi buckbeak [20:12] <Buckbeak> hi, sry i'm late [20:12] <futureweasley> not late! we'll be starting in about 2 minutes [20:12] <futureweasley> just in time, is more like it! [20:12] <futureweasley> :wink: [20:12] *** MirandaV has joined #lounge [20:12] <Aislinn> hi miranda [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi miranda [20:12] <Buckbeak> oh, thats good :thumbsup: [20:12] <ProfessorPete> ey Buckster! [20:13] <MirandaV> Hi everyone [20:13] <Buckbeak> :thumbup: [20:13] <Theoriser> hi miranda [20:13] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [20:13] <harryfreak359> Hi dumbleydore [20:13] <Aislinn> hey dumbleydore18 [20:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:13] <Aislinn> sooner! [20:13] <fawkes28> hi sooner [20:13] <harryfreak359> Hi Sooner [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> Woot for Sooner! [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Hey everyone :) [20:14] <ProfessorPete> WHOOT [20:14] <Buckbeak> hey dumbleydore and sooner [20:14] <dumbleydore18> hey guys! Hi Sooner! [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> sooner! [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> how is everyone today? [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> hey dumbley [20:14] <futureweasley> great [20:14] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [20:14] <harryfreak359> eehhh...suffering from a bad cold [20:14] <Aislinn> hi prongs [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi PP [20:15] <harryfreak359> Hi Prongs! [20:15] <ProfessorPete> great as I am still on Holidays! [20:15] <dumbleydore18> hi Debbie!!!!!!!!!!! I saw your PM how awsome!!! thank you! [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> good afternoon, all! [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Prongs. NIce to see you in here as well Miranda [20:15] <JaneMarple9> Hi Sooner Hi Prongs [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> I'm good, enjoying the heat wave while it lasts [20:15] <MirandaV> good, a little wet from the rain [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> yer welcome Dumbly [20:15] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [20:15] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [20:15] <Theoriser> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [20:16] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [20:16] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat [20:16] <fawkes28> The topic of our chat is "How will prophecised events work out and will there be any new ones?" First we'll look at some minor prophecies that are unfulfilled, including Harry's seemingly prophetic dreams. Then we'll discuss the famous Voldemort/Harry prophecy last since it will take up the bulk of our time. [20:16] <fawkes28> Jo said that because neither Harry nor Neville was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy became a catalyst for a situation that would never have occurred if it had not been made. To quote Jo, "Prophecies are usually open to many different interpretations. That is both their strength and their weakness." [20:16] <fawkes28> In Book 1, Harry dreamt he wore Quirrel's turban which got heavier and tightened on his head. A laughing Malfoy turned into Snape, whose laugh became high and cold. Is there any part of this dream that is unfulfilled or that may foreshadow events yet to come? [20:17] <Aislinn> didn't it also finish in a flash of green? [20:17] <Islwyn13> Hmm... [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> there is an nteresting thread on that in the BC right now [20:17] <futureweasley> hmm, I had forgotten that dream...isn't every interesting [20:17] <futureweasley> lol [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> what? [20:17] <fawkes28> i think he did see a flash of green [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:17] <futureweasley> it's...not "isn't" [20:17] <MirandaV> Maybe it's saying that Snape is on LV side, isn't his voice described as high and cold [20:17] <Theoriser> I think that this foreshadowed Dumbledore's death, more than anything [20:17] <cbm> I have no idea [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> I find it interesting that this dream ties into my triple-antagonist theory. Harry has three different literary antagonists: Draco (his peer), Snape (his teacher), and Voldemort (super-evil nemesis). [20:18] <fawkes28> I think it is interesting that Malfoy is in the dream as he comes to play a bigger role in the 6th book [20:18] <Buckbeak> still thinking :ponder: [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> I think his subconscious was putting the clues of that book together [20:18] <fawkes28> that is very interesting mr. m [20:18] <dumbleydore18> Hmmm....well I think the whole Snape and Draco thing was significant because of the ending of HBP [20:18] <harryfreak359> I don't think so, I think that was just something that was bothering him...maybe with some memories of some stuff and things [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> It's like antagonists at three different levels. [20:18] <Islwyn13> Yeah, I agree with PP [20:18] <futureweasley> yes Prongs, it seems that there is information that Harry doesn't know he knows coming to the surface [20:18] <JaneMarple9> harry's dreams are usually significant [20:18] <cbm> Well Snape and Draco are now linked by the unbreakable vow [20:18] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, that was how I saw it, but it was interesting that it was so early into his stay at Hogwarts [20:19] <fawkes28> He also thought that Snape was the one who wanted to get the stone, which could explain why he was in the dream [20:19] <Aislinn> I believe it was his first night there [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think his sub concious recognized a danget within the Slytherin house, and was trying to put the pieces together. He went from a Slytherin class mate, through the head of house, to the actual heir {even though he didnt know that at the time} [20:19] <Islwyn13> Well, it shows us that DRaco, Snape, and LV will be his continuing protagonists, during the course of the series [20:19] <JaneMarple9> yes the unbreakable vow is important [20:19] <Aislinn> and unfortunately, he didn't remember it the next morning [20:19] <futureweasley> that's interesting, too, fawkes...Harry had it wrong, so what he "knew" and what he thought he knew were colliding [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> I do think that Harry has a penchant for Divination--but he would never tell trelawney about it [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> seer qualities Prong? [20:20] <Aislinn> I think he does too [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:20] <Islwyn13> Well, is he a seer, or does it have more to do with his connection to LV [20:20] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Prongs, maybe he knows more about Divination than he realises [20:20] <MirandaV> I think it's the connection to LV [20:20] <futureweasley> if there is "seer" blood in the Evans family (as I expect there is) then this makes a lot of sense [20:20] <Buckbeak> me too [20:20] <fawkes28> I agree Prongs. Harry is more intuitive that other characters in the series. I wonder how much of it has to do with the scar and how much is his own incites [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Miranda [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> LV possesses--he does not divine [20:20] <Islwyn13> We haven't really seen him "see" anything that relates to anything other than LV [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> the connection helps him a lot [20:20] <Aislinn> not all of it has to do with LV, although most of it does [20:20] <dumbleydore18> Also the fact that he Turban was squeezing his head could have been a clue for Harry that Quirrel was a suspect....Or it was the first time that the scar was a link to what Voldy was thinking [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> well LV is what is on his mind [20:21] <JaneMarple9> but I has thought Ron has more seer abilities than harry [20:21] <MirandaV> Yes, if he was a seer I think he would foresee some other major events, such as what was really going on at the MoM in OorP [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> If I had to sit down and state what I really think, I think it is a combination of some inherent seer qualities and the connection to LV [20:21] <MirandaV> *OotP oops [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry is also very intuitive [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> divination does not work that way [20:21] <fawkes28> In a Book 3 dream Harry overslept for a Slytherin Quidditch match which they lost due to using Neville as seeker. He then dreamt he'd made it to the match but Slytherin was riding dragons and he'd forgotten his Firebolt broom. Could this foretell any events or under-preparation on Harry's part in Book 7? [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so. [20:22] <Islwyn13> I think the dragon thing was the first task [20:22] <harryfreak359> I don't think so [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> seems like natural anxiety before a big match [20:22] <Islwyn13> he was figthing a dragon, and dint' have his broom with him...had to bring it to him [20:22] <JaneMarple9> well it seems to foreshadow book 4, with the dragons [20:22] <Aislinn> this is one that did not have to do with LV [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> Harry had ann Eragon moment in his dream. [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think it might have something to do with foretelling book four, though [20:22] <cbm> I do not think so, I think it was Harry's insecurities at work [20:22] <fawkes28> Well, in some ways Neville is a seeker. he is trying to find his own truth and be at peace with what happened to his parents. [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it could also forshadow the prophecy in book 5 with Neville almost being the chosen one as well [20:22] <MirandaV> I agree, book 4 foreshadowing [20:22] <Aislinn> but does seem to be prescient [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it does Jane [20:22] <Islwyn13> And Neville as seeker...Neville almost took Harry's plac ein teh prophecy [20:22] <JaneMarple9> but perhaps neville as the seeker...that could indicate foreshadowing in book 7 [20:23] <Islwyn13> must read while typijng :) [20:23] <JaneMarple9> Neville seeking for answers? [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> but I see that as something Jo did for our benefit not to show Harry as forseeing it [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> its weird, because that dream seems to be forshadowing events from both books 4 and 5 now that I think about it [20:23] <Theoriser> I think this is a dream that wasn't intended to foreshadow anything, it's just the type of dream you have when you're worried about something [20:23] <MirandaV> Neville is searching for something??? [20:23] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Theo [20:23] <dumbleydore18> I think that dream could have been percieved at the TWT coming up in book 4...Harry not being prepared for the first task (dragons) and not having his firebold [20:23] <fawkes28> the slytherins are always his worst rival in quidditch - he is always going to have some anxieties when he plays them [20:23] <Islwyn13> I would agree, Theoriser, but it's too specific [20:23] <Islwyn13> and it mirrors something we see later too closely, IMO [20:24] <Aislinn> I agree, islwyn [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Neville could have been chosen by LV, but Harry was. I think that Harry's dream tells us that Neville could not have done what only Harry seems capable of doing. The power that LV knows not [20:24] <JaneMarple9> yes, perhaps there is more to Neville's parents torturing than there we have known so far [20:24] <MirandaV> Ooooh, that's good Sooner [20:24] <Islwyn13> I agree, Sooner [20:24] <dumbleydore18> another thing that i have is why was Neville in it thoug? that is the one thing that stands out the most for me... [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> becasue I see "seeker" as being what Harry is gong to have to do in book 7 [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> I think so Jane [20:24] <Aislinn> absolutely sooner - seeking the hocruxes and LV are his primary tasks [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> somwething for which he has a natural talent [20:25] <JaneMarple9> Neville is going to help harry in book 7 i think [20:25] <dumbleydore18> why was Neville in the "seekers" position though Sooner? [20:25] <fawkes28> It is interesting because this dream all happens before we know about the prophecy [20:25] <Islwyn13> BEcause that's Hrary's position [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> because he was almost the boy from the prophecy [20:25] <MirandaV> Maybe Harry's experiences as a "seeker" will help him in book 7, and it could never have helped Neville because he couldn't do it [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> because he was the other boy of the prophecy? [20:25] <Islwyn13> In his dream, Neville had taken Harry's place [20:25] <Islwyn13> and was failing [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> right Miranda [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> I think we're reading way too much into it. [20:25] <fawkes28> In Book 4, Harry dreamt he was on the back of an eagle owl who flew into Voldemort's chair. Then Harry saw some events from behind Voldemort's chair. This foreshadowed the Harry/Voldemort connection. The Malfoys have an eagle owl. Could the dream also foretell Harry getting to Voldemort through the Malfoys in Book 7? [20:25] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr.M [20:25] <dumbleydore18> so could Neville and Harry both help? [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> another reason why Harry has the tools that Neville doesnt [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M [20:26] <Aislinn> interesting question [20:26] <futureweasley> sorry kids, I have got to go! Dinner guests and I have a dinner to prepare. Enjoy the rest of the chat! [20:26] * SoonerGryffindor is going to perform langlock on Mr M in a moment. :P [20:26] <harryfreak359> Well, I never thought of that, but I don't think the eagle owl had anything to do with the Malfoys, but I do think that dream was much mroe than a dream [20:26] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [20:26] <fawkes28> bye future [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> bye fw [20:26] <harryfreak359> bye Future [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> bye, future! [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> bye fw [20:26] <Buckbeak> bye bye [20:26] <Islwyn13> I thin kit helps clinch the suspicion we all had that the Malfoys (and Draco) were/would work for LV [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> we find out later in the book that Malfoy, elder, does work for LV [20:27] <fawkes28> I don't think they way harry will get to voldemort is through malfoy [20:27] <JaneMarple9> the whole series could have been so different if Neville was "The Boy Who Lived" [20:27] <MirandaV> I'm a little slow, I never even noticed the eagle owl [20:27] <ProfessorPete> ya same [20:27] <Islwyn13> I agree, FAwkes...I think...though I am still really curious to see how Draco's story resolves [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> dont worry about that, I didnt either the first few times I read it [20:27] <fawkes28> once again I think the eagle owl just foreshadows Draco's greater involvement in the books [20:27] <JaneMarple9> Yes I think the eagle owl is connected with the Malfoys [20:27] <Islwyn13> Maybe he will be a link - get Harry close enough to LV to do whatever he needs to do...hmm... [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> I thought it was a peculiar way for Harry to see that scene. [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> wow, just look at all of the things that Harry has linked together in his mind and doesnt realize [20:28] <dumbleydore18> I think the eagle represents something...but I don't know what i don't think it links to the Malfoys...eagles are protectors aren't they? [20:28] <JaneMarple9> amd that is the first time i've noticed the eagle owl connection too [20:28] <Islwyn13> but I also think, in this case, it was meant to show us that Draco would be a greater danger later on [20:28] <Islwyn13> not just a prat [20:28] <MirandaV> I doubt Harry will get to LV through the Malfoy's though, I just don't see Draco suddenly saying hey Harry, I hate you, but I want to help] [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it is interesting that Draco was last seen wth Snape though [20:28] <fawkes28> While Draco may help Harry, I don't foresee him being that involved in helping him defeat Voldemort - maybe a small piece of advice that will help [20:29] <Islwyn13> And that DRaco had failed in his mission...he pulled a Regulus :) [20:29] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> and at this point in time, Narcissa must be about totally unhinged [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> the subconscious often links things like that [20:29] <Islwyn13> couldn't go through with teh true violence and evil of what LV was asking [20:29] <MirandaV> As any mother would be sooner [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> right [20:29] <fawkes28> In Grimmauld Place in Book 5, Harry dreamt of many-legged creatures with cannons for heads, and that they'd be studying weapons in Hagrid's class that year. Could there be a creature with a dangerous head in Book 7 that could be used as a weapon? Could the weapon be Harry's own mind which he could use against Voldemort due to their connection? [20:29] <hrh7> If Drako helps Harry, it could be unintentional [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> so there might be a weakenss amongst LV's ranks there [20:29] *** jammi567 has joined #lounge [20:29] <JaneMarple9> I am hoping Draco will return to the good side in book 7, and give harry some important inforrmation [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> hi jammi [20:29] <MirandaV> I agree, Cissy may look to anyone to help her son [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> hi jammi [20:30] <jammi567> hi everyone [20:30] <Islwyn13> I thin kunintentional help will come from Peter...I don't think Jo would use that plot device with more than one character [20:30] <Buckbeak> :welcome: jammi [20:30] <cbm> How can Draco return to the good side when He was never there to start with [20:30] <ProfessorPete> hey jammi [20:30] <Aislinn> it made me think of quintapeds [20:30] <dumbleydore18> Blast-Ended Skrewts have dangerous weapons built in [20:30] <JaneMarple9> never could work out this dream, what it meant [20:30] <MirandaV> I think that the many legged creature thing may be from meeting Aragog and the weapon thing we all know [20:30] <Aislinn> which are supposed to be quite dangerous [20:30] <jammi567> what are we talking abot? [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, this dream just made me laugh [20:30] <Islwyn13> hmm...he was already thinking about the "weapon" that LV was supposedly looking for... [20:30] <Theoriser> me too Sooner [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> it made me think of the Order of the Phoenix... [20:30] *** Islwyn13 left #lounge [] [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> I don't see that having any deep meaning [20:30] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> jammi, we are talking about the dreams and prophecies and how things might relate to book 7 [20:31] <MirandaV> In book 5, they thought LV was looking for a weapon aka the prophecy...I laughed also :) [20:31] <harryfreak359> Welll, I don't think that it has a great meaning, but I do think that creatures will be important in the war [20:31] <JaneMarple9> yes perhaps it indicated the Order of the Phoenix or DA [20:31] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi alex [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> It will be very interesting if quintapeds do become a factor [20:31] <jammi567> ahh, okay. what about the dream that harry didn't remember in book one. was that forshadowing for booksix? [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> hey alex [20:31] <fawkes28> repeat of question: In Grimmauld Place in Book 5, Harry dreamt of many-legged creatures with cannons for heads, and that they'd be studying weapons in Hagrid's class that year. Could there be a creature with a dangerous head in Book 7 that could be used as a weapon? Could the weapon be Harry's own mind which he could use against Voldemort due to their connection? [20:31] <Alexk> hello [20:32] <Buckbeak> hi alex [20:32] <harryfreak359> hi Alex [20:32] <Theoriser> that's a good idea harryfreak, it could foreshadow how important creatures will be in the final war [20:32] <MirandaV> Maybe Aragog's family will join the fight??? [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> well, what about yhestrals? [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, someone refresh me.... what did they study in Hagrid's class that year? only thestrals? [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> sorry, Thestrals [20:32] <dumbleydore18> Snakes have weapons on their heads....their fangs...in OOTP Arthur was attacked by a Snake.... [20:32] <JaneMarple9> well we know voldemort was using harry as a weapon [20:32] <Buckbeak> mabey dragons could come back into the picture [20:32] <Islwyn13> and unicorns earlier [20:32] *** TheFixxer has joined #lounge [20:32] <harryfreak359> No they studying unicorns ttoo [20:32] <Islwyn13> with Grubbly-Plank [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi thefixxer [20:32] <harryfreak359> studied* [20:32] <TheFixxer> Hiya. [20:32] <fawkes28> i agree, hf. Harry is always finding new creatures in all of the books - he very well could come across one like the one in his dream [20:33] <Buckbeak> sup [20:33] <harryfreak359> and I think they studied some other things too [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm. I am trying to come up with something, but no theory is forthcoming [20:33] <jammi567> i don't think creatures like unicorns are important anymore, as they've served their puropse. [20:33] <MirandaV> that would have to be against the illegal ban on cross breeding!!! lol [20:33] <Islwyn13> I have to say, I think that WAS a sign of Harry's fear [20:33] <Islwyn13> of what the weapon might be [20:33] <dumbleydore18> what about the significance of snakes?? snakes are used a lot in the HP series and in OOTP [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> it sure would [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder what led Harry's subconscious to include Hagrid and his class in the dream. [20:33] <Islwyn13> dn't think it was meant to be taken literally [20:33] <Aislinn> and in Harry's dreams, dumbleydore [20:33] <fawkes28> That is a very good point, isl [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that's exactly what I was pondering Mr M [20:33] <JaneMarple9> didn't they study Krups and Bowtruckles? [20:33] <Islwyn13> i.e. that there's actually a creature out there with many cannon heads :) [20:33] <ProfessorPete> Could the Giant Squid be a secret weapon? [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe it foreshadows that Grawp will be an important weapon? [20:34] <MirandaV> yes they did Jane [20:34] <Alexk> i wonder if harry could use nagini against Voldemort, Voldemort and nagini have a very strong connection, and if harry's so strongly connected with Voldy...(just a thought) [20:34] <JaneMarple9> They were in the exam in OotP [20:34] <MrMcGonagall> Could be Sooner. [20:34] <fawkes28> it may have just been a dream based on fear - if anyone should have these dreams, it should be harry [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Harry snuck a turn on one of Dudley's computer games :wink: (just kidding) [20:34] <MirandaV> I think Grawp will be significant [20:34] <harryfreak359> lol [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [20:34] <jammi567> possibly Alexk, but how? [20:34] <JaneMarple9> but they don't seem very dangerous animals [20:34] <MirandaV> lol [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking it has something to do wth grawp now [20:34] <fawkes28> Harry's mind was just over thinking that night - he really needs a penseive [20:34] <sdcurtis> When you posted that dream for some reasons the mention of mutlitple heads made me think of the hydra [20:34] <Aislinn> grawp - that's interesting, sooner [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, that is interestind sd [20:35] <JaneMarple9> Grawp maybe will help recruit giants? [20:35] <MirandaV> Just what he needs...a hydra! [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe [20:35] <jammi567> why a hydra? [20:35] <TheFixxer> Maybe, but Grawp is a bit small. :D [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> That's how Snape described the Dark Arts in HBP [20:35] <MirandaV> only 12 feet fixxer [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> a hydra really would be the last thing Harry needs to deal with [20:35] <fawkes28> Part of another Book 5 dream included Harry seeing Ron and Hermione wearing crowns. Was this simply because they'd just been made prefects, or does it have additional Book 7 prophetic meaning? [20:35] <MirandaV> or was it 18 [20:35] <Theoriser> yeah, I guess it could foreshadow more mythological creatures [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> 18 [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> no kidding Sooner [20:35] <TheFixxer> I thought it was 16. [20:35] <JaneMarple9> Who doesn't need a penseive! Even Muggles could find it useful! [20:36] <Islwyn13> mine's on back-order :) [20:36] <MirandaV> No kidding Jane! [20:36] <Aislinn> some people think that it has to do witht he quarreling couple, in Alchemy theory [20:36] <dumbleydore18> lol [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> A lot of people think it forshadows Weasley is our King [20:36] <Islwyn13> I think it just has to do with the prefect thing [20:36] <cbm> I think it is just them being prefects [20:36] <JaneMarple9> well there's the "Weasley is out King" in book 5 [20:36] <MirandaV> I think it was about prefects [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they'll be Head Girl & Boy [20:36] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn [20:36] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> that's good Sooner [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Interesting that in Orthodox and Eastern-rite Catholic wedding traditions that crown are used in the ceremony for the couple. [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> it may have many meanings [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, that's cool Mr M [20:36] <Islwyn13> that wouldn't explain Hermione wearing a crown also, though [20:36] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [20:36] <jammi567> hummmm... [20:36] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> neat Mr M [20:36] <Islwyn13> if it foreshadows "Weasley is our King" [20:36] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> wb Alex [20:36] <cbm> I like that Mr M [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> I was just about to say that, Mr. M [20:37] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [20:37] <MirandaV> I like MrM's idea [20:37] <Alexk> ty [20:37] <JaneMarple9> and them being prefects too. But really, I think Harry deserved the prefect badge [20:37] <dumbleydore18> i think it has to do with being made prefect....unless they have royalty in the wizarding world... [20:37] <TheFixxer> They don't. [20:37] <jammi567> no way [20:37] <Islwyn13> Lupin said they don't [20:37] <harryfreak359> I think it was them becoming prefects [20:37] <cbm> Or at least Dumbledore should of told him his reasoning for picking Ron [20:37] <JaneMarple9> and of course....the Half Blood Prince...massive foreshadowing [20:37] <Islwyn13> He did.. [20:37] <MirandaV> I do to, but DD had a good point...Harry's school work already suffered from all the attempted murder [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> so.... nothing for book 7 then? [20:37] <Islwyn13> Harry had "enough to be getting on with" [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Head Boy & Girl [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> if they go backto school [20:38] <Islwyn13> didn't want to give him an added stress [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> Could symbolize marriage. [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> could be head boy and girl, but I dont like it [20:38] <fawkes28> It could also symbolize how Harry views his two best friends - he holds them in great esteem [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> just a thought [20:38] <Islwyn13> oo, that's good! [20:38] <JaneMarple9> a crown...how about the goblin made tiara of Fleurs, for the wedding? [20:38] <jammi567> i can'tsee any dreams forshadowing book 78 [20:38] <Islwyn13> I like that, fawkes [20:38] <Aislinn> true fawkes [20:38] <Buckbeak> i thought the trio wasn't going back to school, they were searching for horcruxes, debbie [20:38] <dumbleydore18> agreed Mr.M [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> its a good thought Debbie, I just dont want it to happen that way :lol: [20:38] <jammi567> makre that book 7 lol [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [20:38] <Islwyn13> I agree, Buckbeak, so I dno't think they'll be head boy/girl [20:38] <dumbleydore18> Ron and Hermione are going to get married... [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it doesn't mean anything more than the prefect thing [20:38] <JaneMarple9> ot the tiara which was in the RoR? That could be foreshadowing book 7 [20:39] <Buckbeak> i like that idea, dumblydore [20:39] *** ProfessorPete has quit [Bye] [20:39] * SoonerGryffindor really, really wants Ernie McMillan to be Head Boy [20:39] <fawkes28> well, they do need to survive the war first [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner [20:39] <Islwyn13> they will! [20:39] <MirandaV> I do like Ernie...lol [20:39] * JaneMarple9 wants Neville to be head boy :) [20:39] <dumbleydore18> it was Mr. M's idea buckbeak [20:39] * ProngsPatronus wants Neville ans Luna to be Head Boy and Girl [20:39] *** ProfessorPete has joined #lounge [20:39] <Buckbeak> well is till like it [20:39] <jammi567> the tiara was only mentioned a couple of times, so no [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> Luna? HA! That would be fun to read :D [20:39] <JaneMarple9> awww perfect...Luna and Neville! :D [20:40] <MirandaV> Yes it would Debbie [20:40] <fawkes28> Similar to Harry's Quirrel dream in Book 1, his dreams in Book 6 were "broken and disturbed by images of Malfoy, who turned into Slughorn, who turned into Snape..." Why was Slughorn included in this dream? Does it foretell anything for Book 7? [20:40] <Buckbeak> isn't luna a year younger though [20:40] <Islwyn13> I think the crown thing is the prefect thing, maybe the marriage thing [20:40] <MirandaV> Yes she is [20:40] <Islwyn13> Oo, interesting questoin... [20:40] <JaneMarple9> yes she is so bang goes one theory :( [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> seems to be the people he's obsessing over that year [20:40] <dumbleydore18> wasn't slughorn a death eatrer? [20:40] <Islwyn13> It may have had to do with Slughorn having inadvertantly helped LV [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> no [20:40] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [20:40] <Islwyn13> that may have been the connection [20:40] <MirandaV> No he was running from them [20:40] <Aislinn> it is interesting that in both cases, harry moves from draco to an adult slytherin [20:40] * SoonerGryffindor has a new idea!!!! [20:40] <jammi567> slughorn wasn't a deatheater [20:40] <harryfreak359> Let's hear it! [20:40] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm, another Slytherin. [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that it relates to the task that Draco had to do [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi pellinore [20:41] <dumbleydore18> ohhhh i always get that mixed up.. [20:41] <fawkes28> I think because he needed to get information from him - also we didnt know slughorn too well - i have a hard time now trusting newbie teachers :lol: [20:41] <JaneMarple9> not sure if i understand this dream either [20:41] <Pellinore> afternoon :) [20:41] <Aislinn> hi pellinore [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> Slughorn does Sooner? [20:41] <MirandaV> *confused* [20:41] <Buckbeak> hello [20:41] <jammi567> hi ya [20:41] <JaneMarple9> hi Pellinore [20:41] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi molly [20:41] <jammi567> hi ya [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry's dream starts with Draco, goes through Slughorn (who harry had to go through to get the memory) and ends up with Snape who did the final deed [20:41] <Buckbeak> hi molly [20:41] <mollywobbles23> hi! [20:41] <dumbleydore18> Slughorn was the postions proffesor replacing Snape who had a connection with Draco... [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> does that make any sense? [20:41] <MirandaV> Hi molly and Pellinore [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> well, they are all Slytherins, for one thing--and Slughorn taught Snape, as he is teaching Malfoy [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> sure [20:42] <dumbleydore18> i think it makes sense Sooner [20:42] <MirandaV> Sure does sooner [20:42] <Buckbeak> yeah it does [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> well, its just one interpretation [20:42] <mollywobbles23> I feel I missed something important [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm sure there are many others [20:42] <harryfreak359> Interesting, Sooner [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> He was obsessing over Draco because he suspected him. He's always obsessing over Snape, and he was obsessing over Slughorn for the memory [20:42] <JaneMarple9> ((((((((((((Mollywobbles))))))))))))))))))) [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> well, all three were certainly hiding something [20:42] <mollywobbles23> *grins* hi Jane! [20:43] <Buckbeak> true prongs [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> so, the year one dream was 3 slytherins, and so was the year 6 dream [20:43] <MirandaV> I agree Prongs, that may be the link [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> oooo, good one Sooner [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> what is interesting is taht both Draco and Snape were in both dreams [20:43] <Islwyn13> Quirrel wasn't slytherin, was he? [20:43] <dumbleydore18> adding onto PP thoughts...their secrets involved Dumbledore! [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> that's very true [20:43] * mollywobbles23 runs to get SS and HBP copies [20:43] <MirandaV> Well, slytherin turns out the dark wizards [20:43] <fawkes28> again it seems to be another anxiety dream - harry never has had good relationships with the slytherins [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> they are his main antagonists in his everyday life [20:44] <Aislinn> It is interesting, how jo has his mind working on these things at night [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy is usually at a distance [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> this one may have something to do with the LV connection--LV always knows when someone is lying to him [20:44] <Islwyn13> not just Slytherin, though, if we're right about Peter being a Gryffindor [20:44] <JaneMarple9> we haven't seen many good slytherins have we? [20:44] <jammi567> not all of them though [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I am holding out hope for Sluggy [20:44] <Aislinn> so, harry is picking up on 3 that are lying to him, prongs? [20:44] <fawkes28> After Dumbledore's death, Harry dreams of cups, lockets, and mysterious objects he can't quite reach. Dumbledore offers Harry a rope ladder that turns into snakes when Harry starts to climb. Is this just a weird dream or could it foretell something to do with Deathly Hallows [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> me too Sooner [20:44] <JaneMarple9> except for possibly Slughorn, he seems on the good side [20:44] <JaneMarple9> yes [20:44] <Islwyn13> The "snakes" took DD from harry [20:44] *** HPFanatic has joined #lounge [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> I am thinking so, Aislinn [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> hi hpfanatic [20:45] <Aislinn> the rope ladder turning into snakes is going to be a foreshadow of some time [20:45] <Buckbeak> sup fanatic [20:45] <harryfreak359> wow I don't remember this [20:45] <MirandaV> I think it's all about the horcruxes or horcri, since Nagini may be one [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> I'll tell you after I read DH ;) [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that understanding this dream is a big clue to book 7 [20:45] <HPFanatic> hi dumbledebbie [20:45] <Aislinn> type, not time [20:45] <Islwyn13> you don't think it referred to DD giving Harry help, but being taken from him by Snape? [20:45] <jammi567> i don't remember that dream [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> that could be Isl [20:45] <Buckbeak> where was this dream in the book, i donn't remember it [20:45] <fawkes28> i definitely think this is a foreshadowing dream [20:45] <TheFixxer> I agree with Islwyn. [20:45] <JaneMarple9> he is to find some significant things while he is making his way to battle voldemort [20:45] <Pellinore> I thought that the rope ladder was related to whatever DD leaves behind to help Harry, maybe Aberfroth, turns out to be bad and turns onHarry [20:45] <fawkes28> there is an awful lot of symbolism in the dream [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think it refers directly to DD's guesses about the Horcruxes [20:46] <dumbleydore18> the snakes could represent all the struggles Harry will have to face when finding the Horcri....gee snakes sure are getting a bad rep... [20:46] <MirandaV> That could be it Islwyn...it makes since [20:46] <sdcurtis> I don't remember that dream [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it foreshadows that Harry is going to need the help of Slytherins, rather than Dumbledore to reach his goals [20:46] <sdcurtis> where is it in HBP [20:46] * mollywobbles23 was too slow; grabbed all books instead [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Harry will focus on Nagini as a horcrux only to find out that was a wrong guess [20:46] <Islwyn13> Oh, wow, Sooner! Thjat's interesting [20:46] <MirandaV> Oh, I like that Sooner, maybe ol' Sluggy??? [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:46] <Aislinn> it does, prongs, but him offering the help of a ladder adds a different element [20:46] <Islwyn13> teh Slytherins must be included in the fold soon [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. Either Sluggy, Draco, or Snape [20:46] <JaneMarple9> test [20:46] <JaneMarple9> yes still here [20:46] <fawkes28> I know that the ladder has some significance in alchemy [20:46] <jammi567> test what [20:46] <Alexk> I think it's Harry's own mind telling him that dd was helping Harry reach the Horcruxes, and him and dd were getting close to finding all of them(atleast that's how harry felt), and then the snakes(snape, draco, etc.) took that chance away from him [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> lemme guess, you think it's Snape ;) [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> That is interesting, Sooner. Especially in light of the whole "houses uniting" theme the Sorting Hat is pushing. [20:47] <mollywobbles23> how so, fawkes? [20:47] <MirandaV> It's kind of foreshadowing the all the houses must work together thing [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [20:47] <Theoriser> nice idea, Alexk [20:47] <dumbleydore18> I see Slughorn helping Harry but decieving him....that is the way Slughorn is. [20:47] <JaneMarple9> alchemy is such a confusing subject [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> just a wild stab in the dark :D [20:47] <fawkes28> I think it has something to do with seeking the truth and being enlightened [20:47] <JaneMarple9> i hardly know anything abour it [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> right. I think that subconciously Harry has been listening to the hat [20:47] <MirandaV> brb...baby crying [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> I would so freak out if a ladder I was climbing turned to snakes. My worst nightmare. [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> well, a ladder is usually associated with rescue [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> or help [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> yes--that something that was an aid turned to bite one, as well [20:48] <jammi567> i've got to go for the minute. but i'll be back [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> that would be terribly disturbing Mr M, and would result in a nasty fall I would assume [20:48] <Islwyn13> ascention [20:48] <TheFixxer> I wonder if the ladder fell apart, or whether it stayed together. [20:48] <TheFixxer> I can't seem to remember. [20:48] <fawkes28> Jo also has talked about snake lore and its importance so we know in some way this will play out in the 7th book [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> when you think about it, DD has always been Harry's failsafe [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> and he is not going to be there anymore for that [20:48] <JaneMarple9> even worse, the ladder turning into snakes and as you fall, there are werewolves below :eek: [20:48] <MrMcGonagall> Climbing up, making progress. . . only to have something yanked from under you. [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> very true, he's lost that 'I'm safe with DD around' feeling [20:48] *** jammi567 has quit [Bye] [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> and he is going to have to depend on the snakes or fail [20:48] <HPFanatic> which book is this from [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> which is exactly what happened on the Tower [20:48] <HPFanatic> the ladder dream i mean [20:49] <fawkes28> He definitely is going to have doubts that he can complete his quest without his mentor to be by his side [20:49] <Aislinn> yes, and I wonder if it symbolizes that the snake is wrongly identified as a Horcrux [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> HBP [20:49] <HPFanatic> oh [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so Aislin [20:49] <TheFixxer> If the ladder turned to snakes, but was still climbable, I think it means that harry has to come to terms with the link that Harry and voldie share. [20:49] <Alexk> i wonder if harry feels as though dd set him up to lose, seeing as it was dd who gave harry the ladder that turned into snakes [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it means he will have to depend on "snakes" [20:49] <Islwyn13> I think that's possible Aislinn [20:49] <Aislinn> since the ladder represents DD's help with identifying the Horcruxes, but then the ladder turns to snakes, stopping the progress [20:49] <JaneMarple9> i think dumbledore will have left something, in his will, to help Harry defeat Voldemort [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> well Harry has always seen snakes in a different light than others, because of his Parseltongue ability [20:49] <HPFanatic> wow i didn't pay attention to that before, it makes all the difference if the ladder fell apart or not [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> possible Aislinn [20:50] <Buckbeak> i still can't find this dream in hbp [20:50] <fawkes28> In Book 3, Trelawney's prophecy said Voldemort would "Rise again [...] greater and more terrible than ever he was." What do we know about Voldemort's actions in the first war? What are some ways he might be even more terrible and great in the last book than he was in his first reign of terror? [20:50] <cbm> Maybe Aislinn [20:50] <Aislinn> I don't think nagini is a horcrux, but yes, prongs, his parseltongue ability may come into play [20:50] <harryfreak359> That's a good theory Aislinn [20:50] <JaneMarple9> ladders are usually useful [20:50] <JaneMarple9> well he'll have werewolves on his side [20:50] <cbm> I think the body count is going to go up very quickly in book 7 [20:50] <HPFanatic> i think the ladder turning to snake means harry will use the help of a slytherin [20:50] <Buckbeak> LV might have more followers this time, more allies, like magical creatures, etc. [20:51] <JaneMarple9> and more deatheaters than before [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> frightening to contemplate [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> this is scary, isnt it? I mean we really didnt see LV doing a whole lot in book 6 [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think that innocents will be a target this time [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> he has fenrir on his side [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he'll recruit more species to the dark side this time [20:51] <JaneMarple9> voldemort has done some big recruiting lately [20:51] <Islwyn13> didn't he target innocents before? [20:51] <fawkes28> I think he will be greater and more terrible because his is determined to show people that he is powerful even though he had a weak moment (which he will never admit to) [20:51] <harryfreak359> Yes, it is, Sooner, it makes me wonder what he is going to be doing in 7 [20:51] <TheFixxer> Yeah, I think it just means he's become ruthless. [20:51] <Islwyn13> he used to lynch bunny rabbits :) he's always ben ruthless [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> this coupled with Jo's "grisly plans" comment makes me scared somewhat of book 7 [20:51] <mollywobbles23> "To dream that you fall from a ladder, denotes the hardships, risks or failures you are faced with in your endeavors." from http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/searchcsv.pl?...p;header=symbol [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think he will go after Muggles, too [20:51] <Buckbeak> or he is planning something, and biding his time [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks molly [20:52] <Alexk> he seems to be slowly gaining control of all the very useful magical creatures (dementors, giants, etc.), he's got a bigger better army [20:52] <Aislinn> he also is no longer restrained by Dumbledore's presence - the only wizard he ever feared [20:52] <Pellinore> nice link Molly [20:52] <JaneMarple9> yes, Muggles are in danger in book 7 [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> it isn't going to be pretty Sooner [20:52] <dumbleydore18> when I think if the prophecy i think of the thing that Jo said about VOldy gettingthe leg room he needed and I think it applies to this question...what evil deeds will voldy do? according tothe prophecy [20:52] <Islwyn13> Oo, now that's a good point, Aislinn [20:52] <Aislinn> which allows him to become more terrible [20:52] *** TheFixxer has quit [Bye] [20:52] <fawkes28> yes, with dumbledore gone - he fears no one [20:52] <JaneMarple9> because why else were we introduced to the Muggle PM in book 6? [20:52] <HPFanatic> when did harry have this dream you guys was it after he heard malfoy and snape talking in the christmas party??? [20:52] <Islwyn13> and will be able to do more damange [20:52] <Islwyn13> damage, rather [20:52] <Aislinn> exactly [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I've always wondered about that too Jane [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure HP [20:53] <cbm> Good MW, I wonder if JKR knows this, maybe she has a book on dreams, much like she has one on divination [20:53] <HPFanatic> mmmm [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet she does cbm [20:53] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [20:53] <Alexk> also, the only person who can stop voldy, is harry(as far as we know), now that dd's gone....and the factor of the mind control voldy has over harry, is very dangerous [20:54] <Aislinn> hey gryff [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> hiya gryffinclaw [20:54] <Pellinore> JkR has said that all Major characters have already been introduced and i don't see a Slytherin that would be a bridge character so have my suspitions that they will play a main role [20:54] <MirandaV> I'm back, I think that Muggles will definitely be killed, I don't think JK writes anything without knowing all...:) [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryffinclaw [20:54] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Guys [20:54] <cbm> If she does, I wish I knew the title [20:54] <Buckbeak> hi gryff [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed Miranda [20:54] <ProfessorPete> the muggle and magic worlds have to merge so I think Muggles will surely be killed by Voldy [20:54] <Aislinn> true pellinore [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> yes, I think the war will cross into both worlds [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> just like it did before with Grindelwald [20:54] <Buckbeak> i do too, but how will muggles kill lv, pete [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> *hides* [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> JKr has said that will never happen, Professor Pete [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [20:54] <fawkes28> Trelawney said that Harry would "live to a ripe old age, become Minister for Magic and have twelve children." Was she just being over-enthusiastic, or is this a real possible outcome to Harry's future if he survives past the last book? [20:55] <JaneMarple9> it has too. The Muggles better be prepared [20:55] <HPFanatic> i don't think they will kill LV [20:55] <Pellinore> i could see the Sorting Hat being taken out of commision or not used again though. [20:55] <MirandaV> I don't know about the merging thing I just don't think so [20:55] <dumbleydore18> or else Prof Peate the muggles nad wizard wi=orld will help in the defeat of Voldy [20:55] <Gryffinclaw> Over Enthusiastic [20:55] <fawkes28> i think she was just guessing here [20:55] <MirandaV> Wizards have always protected Muggles without their knowledge, that will continue [20:55] <JaneMarple9> of course it's possible! :D [20:55] <MrMcGonagall> More of Trelawney's fake predictions. Way overenthusiastic. [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL. Poor Ginny if it turns out to be true [20:55] <Pellinore> Trelawyney's a fraud outside of the Hermon Munster voice/trance ;) [20:55] <Gryffinclaw> He will live to a decent age I think [20:55] <sdcurtis> I think that was way over thetip [20:55] <cbm> It may be real, just overinterpreted, [20:55] <Aislinn> I think she was giving him positive information as a reward for his interview [20:55] <Islwyn13> I think JKR already said that being MoM wouldn't be for Harry, didn't she? [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> that was more gypsy fortune-telling than anything else, I think [20:55] <fawkes28> she takes what she observes about people and makes educated guesses - although this one is a little embelished [20:55] <Islwyn13> or was that Headmaster? [20:55] <Buckbeak> i think that this was just being over enthused, because she is an old fraud, and the only way things she says is true, is when she is in the trance, and haveing a real vision [20:55] <Alexk> I can't see Harry as Minister of Magic, his character is too spontaneous for that [20:55] <mollywobbles23> What was the context of that prediction? I don't remember. [20:55] <Aislinn> just like Flitwick gave him the box of iced mice [20:55] <JaneMarple9> maybe not 12 kiddies but at least 5 or 6! [20:56] <MirandaV> Ginny will be a broadmare in the future??? [20:56] <Gryffinclaw> But he won't have 12 children or become minister of friday [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> overdone, but a happy ending would be nice [20:56] <Pellinore> 7! [20:56] <HPFanatic> haha!! [20:56] <Islwyn13> Yeah, I think she made this one up [20:56] <JaneMarple9> ginny could be very busy after book 7 :D [20:56] <Pellinore> The 7th child of the 7th child of the 7th child ;) [20:56] <MirandaV> I think he will live to a ripe old age though [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> In a way though, didnt she realize just how she was contradicting her earier "predictions"? [20:56] <Buckbeak> good point [20:56] <fawkes28> i don't think she is a complete fraud - i think she is just lacking self-confidence and gets carried away now and then [20:57] <Aislinn> from your lips to Jo's ears Miranda! :) [20:57] <dumbleydore18> I think part of trelawneys predictions would be true for harry's outcome in life but this prediction is way over exaggerated. I tihnk Harry will end up working in the MoM, but not become minister. Maybe an auror or unspeakable. [20:57] <JaneMarple9> of course pellinore, nice idea [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:57] * MrMcGonagall thinks Trelawney seldom thinks about what she's saying. [20:57] <fawkes28> lol [20:57] <Alexk> harry's never liked the people who've worked as mom, why would he want the position? [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe she had been hitting the sauce that day [20:57] <Pellinore> she had given up on trying to butter up the ministry plant [20:57] <HPFanatic> i don't know how harry can get along with the ministry [20:57] <Islwyn13> I don't think he trusts the system enough to be a part of it [20:57] <Islwyn13> he's seen the corruption...and he's no politician :) [20:57] <HPFanatic> yea me neither [20:57] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [20:57] <mollywobbles23> lol Mr M [20:57] <fawkes28> i think like everyone else, she wants harry to live and be happy so she said it [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think the system may well be different after VoldWarII [20:57] <Aislinn> right, alex - I don't see him ever wanting the Minister's job [20:57] <JaneMarple9> sometimes there is a grain of truth in trelawney's predictions [20:57] <Islwyn13> I don't it... This post has been edited by Theoriser: Jan 7 2007, 05:25 PM |
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