P3 Chat Transcript 10/1/06, The Department of Mysteries in book 7 |
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Today's chat moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, futureweasley, Poet and Theoriser.
[15:01] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [15:01] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [15:01] <futureweasley> hi guys [15:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:01] <Gryffinclaw> Hi [15:01] <adamgryff> hi everyone! [15:02] <Aislinn> good afternoon! [15:02] <futureweasley> how are you guys doing? [15:02] <adamgryff> great! [15:02] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [15:02] *** Books_4_eva has joined #lounge [15:02] <Gryffinclaw> i'm ok thanks future how are you? [15:02] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [15:02] <Books_4_eva> hi [15:02] <nympheart> hi guys [15:02] <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile [15:02] <Gryffinclaw> Hi books, Nymp,DD [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> who's ready to give Future a hard time? grin [15:03] <nympheart> yay! [15:03] <Gryffinclaw> waht on? [15:03] <Gryffinclaw> *What* [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> I'm just teasing. On the questions for today [15:03] <Gryffinclaw> ahhhh [15:03] <Aislinn> now, why would we want to torture FW????? [15:04] <Books_4_eva> hehe [15:04] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:04] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:04] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:04] <nympheart> we could torment you... [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> me, never! angel_not [15:04] <JaneMarple9> test smile [15:04] <fawkes28> hello smile [15:04] <Gryffinclaw> Hi fawkes, Jane, hpfreak [15:04] <nympheart> hi [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> hello peeps [15:04] <JaneMarple9> Hi everybody biggrin [15:04] <Books_4_eva> he all [15:04] <adamgryff> hi fawkes,Jane, harryfreak [15:04] <harryfreak359> Finally, I had the hardest time getting in here [15:04] <fawkes28> me too [15:04] <JaneMarple9> And me HF [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> me too [15:04] <futureweasley> I love you guys...you can give me a hard time almost anytime you'd like [15:04] <harryfreak359> omg [15:04] <fawkes28> oh and we do smile [15:04] <futureweasley> yes, I know this [15:04] <futureweasley> lol [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> yay [15:05] <Gryffinclaw> lol [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> bwahahaha [15:05] <harryfreak359> brb,,,I am being attacked by a monster mosquito [15:05] <nympheart> lol [15:05] <fawkes28> lol [15:05] <adamgryff> lol [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> run HF! [15:05] <JaneMarple9> It's so much fun to discuss Harry Potter in here smile [15:05] <Gryffinclaw> lol [15:05] <fawkes28> i'm soooo excited about this topic!! [15:05] <Gryffinclaw> Stun it HPfreak [15:05] <Books_4_eva> a good one [15:05] <futureweasley> me too! [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> yep, it's a good one Fawkes [15:05] <harryfreak359> lol [15:05] <adamgryff> so am I fawkes [15:05] <harryfreak359> it's gone [15:05] <Gryffinclaw> good [15:05] <fawkes28> glad you're ok, hf [15:05] <fawkes28> lol [15:05] <JaneMarple9> And me...it's where Arthur Weasly works isn't it? [15:06] <harryfreak359> yes I am very excited about this chat [15:06] <Gryffinclaw> no [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> nope [15:06] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [15:06] *** Inkreader13 has joined #lounge [15:06] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [20:05] <Evreka> Hi! [20:05] <futureweasley> hi everyone!! [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> he works for the miistry but not in the dept of mysteries [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> It's where the hall of prophcys are and the veil [20:06] <Inkreader13> hello [20:06] <Aislinn> hi folks! [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> the 'Unspeakables' work there [20:06] <adamgryff> hi everyone! [20:06] <fawkes28> hello everka, inreader, and theoriser! [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> hi Evreka, Inky and theoriserr [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> hi Evreka!!! [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> yay! [20:06] <JaneMarple9> right got it where the prophecies are [20:06] <Theoriser> hi everyone! [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> yeah and where Sirius dies [20:06] <Books_4_eva> and the love room [20:06] <Evreka> Finally in the right end of the chat... LOL [20:06] <harryfreak359> hello all! [20:06] <JaneMarple9> Hi theoriser [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> and where the time-turners live [20:06] <harryfreak359> lol [20:06] <Inkreader13> yay for the chat! [20:06] <nympheart> lived, they're gone [20:06] <Books_4_eva> time turners where distroyed [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> oh sorry [20:06] <fawkes28> it would be a great place to visit [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> yeha, mut more fun to be had when you long in at the beginning [20:07] <Gryffinclaw> yeah I forgot [20:07] <harryfreak359> yes it would [20:07] <JaneMarple9> should be good then! [20:07] <futureweasley> I think I snuck in a question about time turners [20:07] <Evreka> lOL [20:07] <futureweasley> hold on...I promise we'll get there [20:07] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [20:07] *** break4nobody has joined #lounge [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> *log in [20:07] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah DoM would be a great place to visit you just have to watch out for any myserious veils and certain female DE [20:07] <Expelliarmas> hello, my peeps; ready for today's interesting chat? [20:07] <JaneMarple9> (((((everybody)))) before we start smile [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> ugh, I can't type worth beans some days [20:08] <fawkes28> yes smile [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> (((Jane))) [20:08] <Gryffinclaw> ((((Whats up))))) [20:08] <JaneMarple9> Looking forward to ir Expel! [20:08] <harryfreak359> me either Debbie [20:08] <futureweasley> ( ( what is with the brackets? ) ) [20:08] <JaneMarple9> Got book 5 and 6 at hand for reference smile [20:08] <Gryffinclaw> Good [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> that's an IM hug, the brackets [20:09] <Evreka> Oooh should we? [20:09] <Gryffinclaw> I kinda know the scenes anyway [20:09] <fawkes28> oh [20:09] <JaneMarple9> that's my "internet hug" biggrin [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> from way, way back (I'm dating myself ;) ) [20:09] <futureweasley> I like it!! [20:09] <Books_4_eva> lol [20:09] <adamgryff> lol [20:09] <Expelliarmas> more hugs at the CB? can't be bad. [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> gooness, yeah, that's an old one, 10 year or so [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:09] * futureweasley thinks parenthesis are like warm fuzzies [20:09] <Evreka> What is? [20:09] <fawkes28> hehe [20:09] <nympheart> it's so old, I never have seen it [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> old one Evreka? the parentheses for a virtual hug [20:10] <Evreka> Oh, thanks [20:10] <futureweasley> now now...I'm old...be careful! LOL [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> lol nymph, way to make me feel old [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> time for theh Clairol [20:10] <fawkes28> oh stop, fw [20:10] <fawkes28> lol [20:10] *** HedwigJune has joined #lounge [20:10] <JaneMarple9> Hi Hedwig [20:10] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:10] <Evreka> So where is the department hiding? [20:11] <HedwigJune> Hi molly [20:11] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [20:11] <JaneMarple9> Hi Mollywobbles smile [20:11] <futureweasley> we will start in about 5 minutes [20:11] <Aislinn> hey hedwig [20:11] <HedwigJune> um, bye [20:11] <fawkes28> hello! [20:11] <Evreka> Are we in an invisible room? J/K [20:11] <harryfreak359> yay! [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> I thnk the Dept. is part of the Minsitry building [20:11] <HedwigJune> hola! [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> oh lol [20:11] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:11] <mollywobbles23> hi! [20:11] <HedwigJune> hi, again [20:11] <futureweasley> hi mollywobbles [20:11] <Books_4_eva> hi [20:11] <Evreka> I know... I was just kidding. Thanks futeure [20:11] <sdcurtis> hello [20:12] <Evreka> *future [20:12] <Evreka> hi [20:12] * futureweasley winks at Evreka [20:12] <HedwigJune> how is everyone? [20:12] <fawkes28> great! [20:12] <Books_4_eva> goooooood [20:12] <futureweasley> doing great! [20:12] <nympheart> good [20:12] <sdcurtis> good [20:12] <mollywobbles23> groovy [20:12] <JaneMarple9> looks as if it's going to be busy today smile I'm good [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> and Future, what's this about being old? you're a spring chicken girl! [20:12] <futureweasley> so excited about today's chat! [20:12] <adamgryff> great! [20:12] <Evreka> fine [20:12] <Inkreader13> I'm great. I'm trying to watch all the Harry Potter movies. how are you? [20:12] <HedwigJune> all right!! Yeah!! YEAH!!! [20:12] <Books_4_eva> hehe [20:12] <nympheart> lol, June [20:12] <futureweasley> DumbleDebbie...age is a state of mind...and I feel O-L-D [20:13] <Evreka> finally caught a text chat in the right end... LOL [20:13] <Books_4_eva> aw [20:13] <HedwigJune> not when you're a Potter fan [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> oh dear! well this chat will be the spring of eternal youth for you then [20:13] <futureweasley> definitely past my prime...tehehe [20:13] <mollywobbles23> hehe [20:13] *** CestlaVie has joined #lounge [20:13] <Aislinn> you did, evreka - welcome! [20:13] <break4nobody> futureweasley you are sooo not old smile [20:13] <HedwigJune> hi!!! [20:13] <JaneMarple9> We all do sometimes future smile Yes, Harry Potter is for any age! [20:13] <futureweasley> oh, my best friend in the real world is here! [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> this'll be fun Evreka! I miss bouncing ideas off you in our old reading gruop [20:13] <futureweasley> YAY! [20:13] <futureweasley> hi break4nobody!! [20:14] <break4nobody> I am.... I am in your world [20:14] * futureweasley hugs break4nobody [20:14] <Evreka> That goes for me too, the other way around ((DumbleDebbie)) [20:14] <futureweasley> Aislinn...this is the girl that made me sing our "filk" at Karaoke [20:14] <break4nobody> Ha ha ha [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> hahaha [20:14] <break4nobody> I did [20:14] <HedwigJune> hahaha [20:14] <fawkes28> lol [20:14] <harryfreak359> lol [20:14] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has joined #lounge [20:14] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> way to go B4N [20:14] <HedwigJune> hi, narcissa! [20:14] <mollywobbles23> hi, madam! [20:14] <harryfreak359> good job break4nobody [20:14] <fawkes28> you should have taped it! [20:15] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:15] <nympheart> I'd like to see it [20:15] <break4nobody> She great!!! [20:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hi guys! [20:15] <JaneMarple9> Hi Madamnarcissa [20:15] <harryfreak359> that'd have been awesome [20:15] <fawkes28> yes [20:15] <futureweasley> don't worry...if it doesn't make Pottercast, I will send you guys the link for where it is on the internet [20:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> the chats about to start??? [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> :grin: [20:15] <futureweasley> yes, we're almost there [20:15] <harryfreak359> definitely Future! [20:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> awesome! [20:15] <Books_4_eva> yay [20:15] <harryfreak359> I want to hear it [20:15] <adamgryff> good [20:15] <Evreka> :) [20:15] <fawkes28> i hope it does [20:16] <HedwigJune> and put it on YouTube [20:16] *** HedwigJune has quit [Bye] [20:16] <Inkreader13> I less then 3 filks [20:16] <nympheart> I think you should send the link anyway [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, good luck with the filk thing [20:16] *** HedwigJune has joined #lounge [20:16] <Books_4_eva> yep definatly youtube [20:16] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i might not be good, havent read books 2-3 in a while [20:16] <futureweasley> don't you DARE put me on YouTube!! [20:16] <harryfreak359> LOL [20:16] <fawkes28> hehe [20:16] <nympheart> lol [20:16] *** HedwigJune has quit [Bye] [20:16] <mollywobbles23> hehe [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:16] <Books_4_eva> hehe it will end up on there somehow [20:16] <harryfreak359> lol [20:16] <Gryffinclaw> somehow [20:17] <harryfreak359> probably [20:17] <harryfreak359> lol [20:17] <Books_4_eva> sevral times [20:17] <harryfreak359> hopefully it makes pottercast though! [20:17] *** MidnightPhoenix has joined #lounge [20:17] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I got my friend to sign up for chamber of chat! only 14 days!! [20:17] *** MidnightPhoenix has quit [Bye] [20:17] <Gryffinclaw> several=20-50 [20:17] <madamnarcissamalfoy> (still grounded) [20:17] <Evreka> ?? [20:17] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:17] <Gryffinclaw> Hi poet [20:17] <Evreka> Hi Poet [20:17] <mollywobbles23> what song did you do a filk to, futureweasley? [20:17] <fawkes28> hi poet [20:17] <JaneMarple9> hi Poet [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi Poet [20:18] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Hi poet! [20:18] <adamgryff> hi poet [20:18] <Poet> hi [20:18] <mollywobbles23> hi poet [20:18] <Books_4_eva> hi [20:18] <harryfreak359> hi poey [20:18] <harryfreak359> poet* [20:18] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [20:18] <madamnarcissamalfoy> poet is soooo popular!!! [20:18] <futureweasley> I want it to be a surprise [20:18] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [20:18] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:18] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [20:18] <Theoriser> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Meg got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [20:19] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [20:19] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [20:19] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:19] <Expelliarmas> The Department of Mysteries is a very detailed and complicated place, where a lot of action happens in a very short amount of time. If you were left with burning questions about the goings-on in the Department of Mysteries...even after your 10th reread of Order of the Phoenix...you are in good company, as it has won the poll to be this week's P3 discussion topic. [20:19] <Expelliarmas> The best place to find a collection of information about the Department of Mysteries is on the HP Lexicon ( http://www.hp-lexicon.org/ministry/ministry-mysteries.html). Here, you will find detailed descriptions of all 7 rooms in the Department of Mysteries, and a map of how Jo described their location in proximity to each other. [20:19] *** ammieofohio has joined #lounge [20:19] <Expelliarmas> Each room seemed to be "themed", but the actually functionality of these room is still a burning question in our minds. [20:20] <Expelliarmas> So, let's break down the Department of Mysteries, room by room, shall we? [20:20] <Expelliarmas> What was studied in the Brain Room? [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> hey cloudpic! [20:20] <adamgryff> hey cloudpic! [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> was it memory? [20:20] <adamgryff> memory [20:20] <madamnarcissamalfoy> The way brains work [20:20] <Evreka> How the brains work presumably... [20:20] <cloudpic> Hi there, all [20:20] <futureweasley> I'm thinking that the Brain Room was used to study what made Muggle and Wizard brains different [20:21] <Expelliarmas> I also wondered whose brains were studied there. [20:21] <fawkes28> yes, future that's what i almost typed smile [20:21] <JaneMarple9> I think it was memories [20:21] <madamnarcissamalfoy> good future [20:21] <Aislinn> Yes, I imagine it is how brains work, thoughts and memories [20:21] <Evreka> How would muggles brains end up there in that case? [20:21] <Poet> I think they were trying to figure out where magical talent originates. [20:21] <Books_4_eva> or maybe the different parts of the brain, moods fealings, memmory [20:21] <Theoriser> good idea future, they might be trying to find if there's something in the brain that gives you magic [20:21] <cloudpic> When the brains "got out" they attacked people... [20:21] <futureweasley> squibs could have volunteered [20:21] <fawkes28> maybe they also studied the difference between the "good" wizards and those who were in azkaban [20:21] <ammieofohio> Ooh, that's interesting... differences. But I've always just thought it was how charms and magic changed the mind... [20:21] <harryfreak359> Yes I think it had a lot to do with memories and thoughts...perhaps a study of occlumency? [20:21] <cloudpic> Maybe they were studying dangerous people's minds or criminal minds or dangerous ideas [20:22] <futureweasley> or they used Muggle parents of wizards who volunteered [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> memory would be considered a 'mystery' I would think [20:22] <nympheart> I think squibs might fit in a different category [20:22] <fawkes28> like what made a person go bad [20:22] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Easy, brains that can be transported, taken, or if you are jo, you can find a reason.. [20:22] <Inkreader13> maybe trying to figure out how magic worked and how manbe it could be taken away or given too someone [20:22] <futureweasley> yes, DumbleDebbie, I agree [20:22] <Poet> But something about the brains reminded me of a film strip though - so it's possible they were studying memories [20:22] <Evreka> I somehow think it was criminals brains [20:22] <Expelliarmas> when I read about this room, I thought a little too "CSI". blah. [20:22] <futureweasley> lol Expie [20:22] <harryfreak359> lol [20:22] <Books_4_eva> well it could have been where the pensive was first made [20:22] <Evreka> from those who died in Azkaban [20:22] <adamgryff> lol expie [20:22] <Expelliarmas> or Quincy, M.E. [20:22] <cloudpic> Maybe it's a big computer type thing... you know what they call a "meat" computer in science fiction? [20:22] <fawkes28> right, books4eva [20:22] <Poet> Nice idea Books_4_eva [20:22] <futureweasley> it's a possibility Evreka [20:23] <cloudpic> I agree Evreka [20:23] <futureweasley> I like the Pensieve idea, too...B4E [20:23] <mollywobbles23> I think they studied a bunch of things like memory, thoughts, magic, etc... [20:23] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Well, i thought about how when you are smart you can attack people with your knowlegde. [20:23] <Evreka> I mean, normally dead wizards go through the Veil, right? [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> you meana biological computer cloudpic? [20:23] <nympheart> were they dead brains if one could strangel ron? [20:23] <Poet> cloudpic - that is an amazing but cool ida [20:23] <nympheart> *strangle [20:23] <ammieofohio> in theory. [20:23] <Poet> *&idea [20:23] <Expelliarmas> If they wanted to know about memories, there are more than enough Muggle studies for that. There'd have to be some magical connection to justify the study of those brains. [20:23] <cloudpic> Why would they need the actual brains...all in one tank unless they were hooked together that way [20:23] <fawkes28> perhaps they have studied the brains of godric gryffindor, salzaar slytherin, etc [20:23] <nympheart> I agree, Expie [20:23] <cloudpic> Yes, DDebbie... [20:24] <JaneMarple9> I wonder how the brains got there in the first place? [20:24] <madamnarcissamalfoy> bye [20:24] <fawkes28> that would be interesting to see how their brains worked [20:24] *** madamnarcissamalfoy left #lounge [] [20:24] <ammieofohio> maybe they found a way to use minds as a weapon? [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> but the other rooms are studing things not particularly 'magical' [20:24] <futureweasley> ammie...that's a good possibility too [20:24] <nympheart> your mind isn't the same thing as your brain [20:24] <ammieofohio> together... can't remember where I heard it, but that's been a theory for a bit now.. [20:24] <cloudpic> Dr. Frankenstein hired out for removals...;) [20:24] <Evreka> nympheart, I think the brains can live after the body is dead [20:24] <JaneMarple9> thats a interesting idea if they use it for a weapon [20:24] <mollywobbles23> lol, cloudpic [20:24] <Evreka> in HP I mean [20:24] <Expelliarmas> the brains are active; I wonder if they are capable of communication? [20:24] *** Lizzieangel90 has joined #lounge [20:24] <Theoriser> they could have been studying how your mind stores thoughts, because there were memories coming out of the brains [20:24] *** Lizzieangel90 has quit [Bye] [20:24] <futureweasley> hi Lizzie! [20:24] <Evreka> through the liquid in the tank [20:25] *** Lizzieangel90 has joined #lounge [20:25] <CestlaVie> what was the liquid in the tank? [20:25] <cloudpic> No, your mind also includes your hormones and other chemical reactions...but memory and problem solving are in the brain [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> things like love and death are human mysteries, not only magical people mysteries [20:25] <futureweasley> hi again Lizzie [20:25] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [20:25] <Lizzieangel90> Hello! smile [20:25] <JaneMarple9> Do we Really want to know what the liquid was? smile [20:25] <CestlaVie> lol [20:25] <JaneMarple9> hi Lizzie [20:25] <fawkes28> if it helps! [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> cerebral-spinal fluid? [20:25] <nympheart> I don't think so, Jane [20:25] <futureweasley> I have a theory about that Jane [20:25] <Books_4_eva> I also see it as a place there memory posions and such where made [20:25] <Expelliarmas> no, Jane, I'd rather not. [20:25] <Evreka> But does wizards care for others than wizards/witches/squibs? [20:25] <fawkes28> let's hear [20:25] <Aislinn> it was probably just a preservative [20:25] * Poet shakes in the presence of the greateness that is Lizzieangel90 [20:25] <JaneMarple9> thought you might fw smile [20:25] <cloudpic> Those brains are Pearly White...I don't think healthy human brains are...aren't they grey? [20:26] <cloudpic> you know, "grey matter"??? [20:26] <nympheart> some do, Evreka [20:26] <futureweasley> I think it was described the same as the liquid that had the Horcrux in it in the Cave [20:26] <Lizzieangel90> LOL hey sarah! what are we dicussing? [20:26] <Aislinn> there is grey and white matter, actually [20:26] <Books_4_eva> whell they would be gray becaus there would be no blood in them [20:26] <Poet> The Brain Room is being discussed [20:26] * Expelliarmas reaches for the bucket ... [20:26] <Lizzieangel90> ooooh cool [20:26] <JaneMarple9> yes thats interesting fw [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:26] <harryfreak359> lol expepl [20:26] <Evreka> Yeah but I meant the Unspeakables specifically [20:26] <cloudpic> LOL expell [20:26] <harryfreak359> expel* [20:26] <cloudpic> Put on your anatomy hats, folks! [20:27] <cloudpic> and aprons... [20:27] <harryfreak359> Brains are fascinating [20:27] <JaneMarple9> do we have to? biggrin [20:27] <Expelliarmas> Madam Pomfrey said that it was deep thoughts that causes Ron's scarring. Why are thoughts so dangerous? [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> eww, cloudpic [20:27] <cloudpic> I agree, HarryFreak [20:27] <cloudpic> LOL [20:27] <fawkes28> thoughts have a mind of their own [20:27] <nympheart> from thought springs action [20:27] <mollywobbles23> thoughts can't be controled [20:27] <futureweasley> good play on words Fawkes [20:27] <Evreka> Well Lord V's thoughts could probably kill people [20:27] <JaneMarple9> Thoughts are the deepest things we keep from other people [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> well, the dementors certainly use them as a weapon [20:27] <harryfreak359> Because the mind is much more powerful than anything else [20:27] <Books_4_eva> ignorane is bliss, curiosity kille dhte cat [20:27] <cloudpic> What do you suppose the "streamers" were that the brains shot out to entangle people?? [20:27] <Poet> Thought can be put in objects like pensieves or books... [20:27] <Aislinn> I've always thought that the cliche, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me was dead wrong [20:27] <Theoriser> I just thought it was a nice touch from Jo, because memories can be so emotionally scarring, and they managed to hurt Ron physically [20:27] <cloudpic> Were they the "weapons' [20:27] <JaneMarple9> The mind is very poweful yes [20:28] <Aislinn> as the other cliche goes, the pen is mightier than the sword [20:28] <cloudpic> Yeah, I'd forgotten the scars... [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Theo, very nice imagry [20:28] <futureweasley> words can be more damaging than any type of action [20:28] <Aislinn> thoughts are very powerful things [20:28] <Expelliarmas> I always thought that as well, Aislinn [20:28] <fawkes28> yes, future [20:28] <harryfreak359> Yeah Aislinn [20:28] <adamgryff> thoughts are very powerful [20:28] <cloudpic> So the streamers were thoughts? [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> the Dementors use a pesons own thoughts to torture them [20:28] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [20:28] <Aislinn> that was the impression I got cloudpic [20:28] <Poet> Too true [20:28] <nympheart> yes, DD, nice points [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi Jrg [20:28] <Jrg1990> evenin all. [20:28] <Evreka> But if the owner of the brain died in a wizard duel... maybe the brain still tried to kill it's "opponent" [20:28] <harryfreak359> You can damage the body with a weapon, but you can damage the soul with words [20:28] <CestlaVie> I wonder if Ron ever glimpsed any of the thoughts when the brains attatched to him? [20:28] <Expelliarmas> thoughts can be powerful weapons for and against [20:28] <futureweasley> yes, when you get stuck in your own mind...it's tough to break free [20:28] <JaneMarple9> thats right they do. Dementors use them against people [20:29] <Poet> Evening [20:29] <futureweasley> Hi James!! [20:29] <ammieofohio> and you can change a mind with actions. [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> like residual, unfinished business Evreka? [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> true HF [20:29] <ammieofohio> ((Brb. laundry day.)) [20:29] <cloudpic> Maybe that tank is the Wizarding version of those frozen brain places in our Muggle world... [20:29] <Lizzieangel90> awwwww. i have to go! sad have a wonderful chat everyone!! [20:29] <Evreka> Yeah, part of it could be [20:29] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:29] <futureweasley> see you Lizzie [20:29] <harryfreak359> bye lizzie! [20:29] <cloudpic> Bye Lizzieangel [20:29] <ammieofohio> bye lizzie! [20:29] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [20:29] <Books_4_eva> bye [20:29] <Expelliarmas> I wonder if Ron retained any of the thoughts from the brains? It seemed to have no additional affect on him. [20:29] <JaneMarple9> Never thought about the thoughts before smile [20:29] <Evreka> bye [20:29] <nympheart> Does Ron know what these thoughts were? [20:29] *** Lizzieangel90 has quit [Bye] [20:30] <cloudpic> He didn't mention any mental anguish...just physcial [20:30] <Poet> Also, with the use of non-verbal spells and with the unforgivable curses we've seen that the thought behind the words is often more important than the words themselves. Thoughts an essential component to magica. [20:30] <Evreka> But also a killers thought might make a normal person sick [20:30] <cloudpic> physical [20:30] <Books_4_eva> ron was a little out of it at the time [20:30] <Aislinn> they seemed to have a physical rather than psychic affect on him [20:30] <adamgryff> May Ron doesn't remember the thoughts [20:30] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [20:30] <JaneMarple9> Well he didn't seem much affected in book 6 [20:30] <cloudpic> No.... [20:30] <harryfreak359> no not at all [20:30] <futureweasley> hi Pleshette [20:30] <CestlaVie> true [20:30] <cloudpic> you're right jane [20:30] <JaneMarple9> That what I think too Adam [20:30] <Expelliarmas> he had no dreams from them [20:30] <Pleshette> Hello! [20:30] <harryfreak359> I think it all depends on the person too [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi Pleshette [20:30] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:30] <Books_4_eva> unless he just didn't say [20:30] <cloudpic> So, if Ron doesn't remember it.... it could come back to "haunt" him or control him in some way? [20:31] <Evreka> But we don't see Ron from "within" as we do Harry [20:31] <JaneMarple9> He's forgotten the bad thoughts - Sirius's death probably eraseds them [20:31] <nympheart> It may have affected Ron's sudden growing up [20:31] <Aislinn> I think the fact that they manifest themselves physically meant that they affected him physically [20:31] <futureweasley> the thoughts he acquired could be locked away in his mind [20:31] <cloudpic> But no one seemed too concerned about the possibility...wouldn't his father have known that danger [20:31] <futureweasley> they could be "hiding" [20:31] <JaneMarple9> but they might return in book 7 [20:31] <CestlaVie> I doubt it [20:31] <fawkes28> i think they could return as well [20:31] <Evreka> Perhaps he was affected on the outside partly as a result of his reactions to whatever thoughts weeded into his brain? [20:31] <Aislinn> if the thoughts had spun into his brain, they might have affected him emotionally, or psychically [20:31] <cloudpic> Might could be! [20:31] <Expelliarmas> but Ron's reaction to the thoughts while the brains were on him was interesting. He seemed overwhelmed by the thoughts. [20:32] <sdcurtis> What if ron got attacked by a dementor....would that be one of the thoughts he remembers [20:32] <cloudpic> But, still, wouldn't the ministry or Dumbledore have been aware of that danger if the brains were being studied there? [20:32] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Ron "forgot" to tell his parents what he saw [20:32] <cloudpic> Or used there? [20:32] <fawkes28> it might be, curtis [20:32] <Evreka> Yeah [20:32] <adamgryff> not if it is still a mystery to them cloudpic [20:32] <mollywobbles23> my brain hurts [20:32] <nympheart> Sure, cloudpic, but no one was supposed to find or know about it [20:32] <Aislinn> I think he was overwhelmed by being wrapped in them expie [20:32] <cloudpic> Yeah.. [20:32] <Evreka> I used to think it would come back, but now I am less certain [20:32] <Books_4_eva> but they would notic ron coming home with scars like that [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> lol Molly [20:32] <JaneMarple9> I would have thought the ministry don't know much about the DoM [20:32] <futureweasley> I think the brain attack was quite traumatic for Ron...I'm sure it will be one of his worst memories [20:32] <Expelliarmas> by the number of thoughts, or the subject matter of the thoughts, Aislinn? [20:33] <JaneMarple9> Mine does too Molly smile [20:33] <harryfreak359> I don't think that the brains actually mentally hurt Ron at all [20:33] <cloudpic> True, futureweasley [20:33] <Poet> Hmm. I thought that perhaps its been so long now that the scars from the brains weren't important. At the time they simply showed Ron's courage - a bit like the way he was injured/knocked out playing chess in Book 1. [20:33] <Aislinn> me either harryfreak [20:33] <Evreka> Why not? [20:33] <Aislinn> the number expie [20:33] *** Breanna has joined #lounge [20:33] <CestlaVie> How did the brains show Ron's courage? [20:33] <futureweasley> when he was being attacked by the brain...it made me think of the Devil's Snare in PS/SS [20:33] <Theoriser> I thought that Ron was more physically hurt than mentally [20:33] <harryfreak359> I think Madam Pomfrey meant that being strangled by brains would be kind of...disturbing, but not that the brains actually did something to him [20:33] <fawkes28> yes, fw [20:33] <Poet> Yes futureweasley [20:33] <cloudpic> Why would that room be there and mentioned. JKR could have had Ron injured and incapacitated a number of ways...so won't it come back some how??? [20:34] <JaneMarple9> I thought it sent Ron a little funny, not showed his courage [20:34] <Expelliarmas> see I thought it was the revelation of the thoughts which hurt him. [20:34] <Pleshette> That's a good point cloudpic [20:34] <Poet> All of those that were unjured kept fighting is what I mean... [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> seems like it a good possibility cp [20:34] <Poet> *injured [20:34] <Aislinn> I think it was mainly that she needed to come up with a number of different types of things that would be studied in a DoM [20:34] <Books_4_eva> ron was already acting strnage befor the brains, that why he touched them in the first place [20:34] <CestlaVie> I think she mentioned it to show us the levels of depth of the DoM [20:34] <Evreka> That's what I had in mind too Expelliarmus [20:34] <Aislinn> and the brain is classic for that [20:34] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn...I agree [20:35] <cloudpic> That's true Aislinn... [20:35] <Aislinn> I didn't get that impression at all expie [20:35] <Evreka> I agree Aislinn [20:35] <Expelliarmas> Whose brains were in the tank? [20:35] <Evreka> Some rooms will come back I think, not all of them [20:35] <Books_4_eva> maybe the ministry had made them brains [20:35] <JaneMarple9> Ron usually acts strange at times of emergencies smile [20:35] <cloudpic> Dead people. [20:35] <fawkes28> former unspeakables [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> dead people's ;) [20:35] <futureweasley> lol cloudpic [20:35] <Poet> I would hope they were some of the brightest witches and wizards of their time. [20:35] <harryfreak359> from people who had been attacked by dementors [20:35] <Pleshette> I wonder if it's related to the study of Legilimensy or Occlumency [20:35] <Theoriser> probably people who donated them after they were dead [20:35] <nympheart> i don't think they could have been dead [20:35] <Expelliarmas> formerly powerful witches and wizards? [20:35] <Books_4_eva> maybe they where contructing the human mined [20:35] <Aislinn> I think that's possible poet [20:35] <nympheart> criminals [20:35] <JaneMarple9> who's brains were in there? Dead witches and wizards [20:35] <CestlaVie> how can you donate a brain if you're dead? [20:35] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> or maybe those that had been given the Dementors kisss [20:35] <nympheart> yes, Cest [20:35] <futureweasley> I wonder if it matters whose brains were being studied...I would imagine it does matter [20:36] <harryfreak359> I wondered that too pleshette [20:36] <mollywobbles23> I'm reminded of that episode of Buffy where she is burdened with the ability to read people's thoughts and it makes her ill. [20:36] <cloudpic> Oh, dear...you mean dumbledore's brain is the first of the new batch in that tank??? [20:36] <Theoriser> they must have been wizards brain though [20:36] <Evreka> yeah criminals [20:36] <adamgryff> dead witches or wizards who were unusal [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> no cp! happysad [20:36] <Aislinn> ewwww, cloudpic! [20:36] <JaneMarple9> and with a little bit of luck, there will be a new brain in there in book 7 - Dumbledore's smile [20:36] <futureweasley> maybe former headmasters [20:36] <futureweasley> ? [20:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Or where people left their brains.biggrin [20:36] <CestlaVie> what would the Ministry want with criminal brains? [20:36] <futureweasley> (not Dumbledore) [20:36] <Expelliarmas> I think it matters which brains they studied; criminals would tend to think one way; non-evil types would tend to think another way. [20:36] <Evreka> Not Albus' [20:36] <nympheart> unusual brains, I agree adam [20:36] <harryfreak359> but I still go with dementor victims [20:36] <Evreka> :( [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> peope who were out of their minds? ;) [20:36] <fawkes28> i would love to study voldemort's brain [20:36] <CestlaVie> lol [20:36] <nympheart> ugh [20:37] <Poet> But to donate them you possible had to know the room was there (be an unspeakable), or like Evreka said, be somewhere under Government control. [20:37] <cloudpic> Well, didn't they preserve Einstein's? and others... [20:37] <JaneMarple9> good point debbie biggrin [20:37] <harryfreak359> me too fawkes [20:37] <futureweasley> what brain, fawkes? [20:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I liked the way the thoughts stung [20:37] <futureweasley> lol [20:37] <Books_4_eva> but if they are human brains there did them tentical things come from [20:37] <Evreka> lol Dumble [20:37] <fawkes28> lol [20:37] <harryfreak359> ol [20:37] <cloudpic> To study and learn how they were different/special? [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> I'd love for Voldy to be separated from his brain [20:37] <adamgryff> lol [20:37] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:37] <cloudpic> But these brains were .... attacking [20:37] <JaneMarple9> wouldn't we all? smile [20:37] <Evreka> who wouldn't [20:37] <Poet> It seems like a clever way for some unspeakables to continue with their work, by having their brains put in the tank. [20:37] <nympheart> I think so cloudpic [20:37] <adamgryff> good point Poet [20:37] <Poet> That is worrisome - the attacking brains. [20:37] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [20:37] <JaneMarple9> perhaps they were trying to get free? [20:38] <CestlaVie> the brains only attacked because ron touched them [20:38] <Aislinn> you mean the ones in the tank, cloudpic? [20:38] <CedrellaBlack> hey [20:38] <cloudpic> Yes [20:38] <futureweasley> hi CB [20:38] <Books_4_eva> no they attacked thenron tuched it [20:38] <Evreka> Wonder how much is left of Voldies brain - if the soul takes up place or not [20:38] <JaneMarple9> hi Ced [20:38] <cloudpic> Why would they attack Ron? [20:38] <Breanna> maybe it is something like a pensieve [20:38] <harryfreak359> hi CB [20:38] <Aislinn> I think they seemed to attack but it was the spells that caused that [20:38] <cloudpic> No point if all they wanted was out [20:38] <mollywobbles23> Well, he accioed them first [20:38] <nympheart> Your soul isn't the same thing as your brain [20:38] <Aislinn> accio brain, and the one that Bella threw [20:38] <Breanna> maybe people switch out their brains when one gets too full [20:38] <nympheart> your brain's just a computer [20:38] <Poet> What made them attack. They were peaceful up till Ron started meddling. Perhaps they were trying to get back to a body. [20:38] <Aislinn> it wasn't the brains themselves that attacked [20:38] <Books_4_eva> ron touched one iof its tenticals and so it wrapped round his arm [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> I think that's separate evreka [20:38] <Theoriser> no, Ron touched the brain and then it attacked him [20:38] <JaneMarple9> yes that's a idea Poet [20:38] <cloudpic> Oh, my Breanna....I'd never get a new one! [20:38] <mollywobbles23> possible, poet [20:38] <Poet> Yes, I think the brain sensed a body [20:39] <harryfreak359> yes theoriser [20:39] <Aislinn> I'm not sure it was an attakc [20:39] *** ammieofohio has quit [Bye] [20:39] <CestlaVie> wouldn't the brain want to get inside Ron's head [20:39] <nympheart> Ron attacked it [20:39] <Aislinn> just an activation of the thoughts [20:39] <Poet> And it tried to connect to it [20:39] <cloudpic> And came after it to claim it...like to get a new moble home? [20:39] <Expelliarmas> Will any of what we saw in the Brain room be a factor in Book 7? [20:39] <CestlaVie> I don't think so [20:39] <JaneMarple9> yes, maybe it needed a new place to get rid of the thoughts? [20:39] <harryfreak359> I don't think it will be that much [20:39] <nympheart> maybe slightly [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder if Ron would suffer any ill-effects from that incident [20:39] <JaneMarple9> I should hope so [20:39] <mollywobbles23> probably not, there's so much else [20:39] <Aislinn> I don't think it will be [20:39] <cloudpic> I think we will ... and it will affect Ron [20:39] <adamgryff> I think there will be somethings [20:39] <Evreka> Maybe the brain that attacked Ron hoped to get back alive if it could sneak into his head? [20:39] <fawkes28> maybe but i don' tthink it will be too important [20:39] <harryfreak359> but I would love to know more about it [20:39] <Books_4_eva> not this room at least [20:39] <Poet> Or it was trying to connect with Ron's brain - afterall there were multiple brains in the tank, probably usually used to connecting with each other. [20:39] <JaneMarple9> there might be important brains in there [20:40] <futureweasley> I don't know...maybe Ron's scarring will play...but I don't see the brains revolting against the trio and causing any damage [20:40] <CestlaVie> I hope we find out more about the DoM in general [20:40] <Expelliarmas> perhaps so, there's a lot we don't know, but I don't think it will be significant. [20:40] <Theoriser> if anything, I would say how important memories and thoughts are [20:40] <Aislinn> I think that room already served its purpose [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> Vulcan mind meld? [20:40] <cloudpic> Grindelwald's brain? [20:40] <futureweasley> Likewise, I don't really see the brains helping either [20:40] <fawkes28> yup the book can only be so big [20:40] <nympheart> ooh, interesting cloudpic [20:40] <cloudpic> Oooo... love it DumbleDebbie! [20:40] <Evreka> Vulcan? [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Could be. [20:40] <Poet> It think we'll see the room again but just briefly in passing. [20:40] <adamgryff> lol [20:40] <adamgryff> DD [20:40] <mollywobbles23> Jedi mind tricks [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> that's a scary thought cp [20:40] <CestlaVie> lol molly [20:40] <Pleshette> Me too Ais, Ron hasn't suffered since it's happened [20:40] <Pleshette> And that's been a year. [20:40] <Poet> Like someone said earlier, it is a bit like task 2 at the end of Book 1. [20:40] <mollywobbles23> *pictures Silent Bob in Mallrats* [20:41] <cloudpic> Like a virus that hasn't surfaced [20:41] <Aislinn> right pleshette [20:41] <Evreka> Didn't Jo deny that at some point? [20:41] <cloudpic> Has to have a trigger or the person's immune system weakened [20:41] <mollywobbles23> yeah, I think Ron was only physically scarred by them. [20:41] <cloudpic> Deny what? [20:41] <Evreka> That the brain has lasting effects on Ron? [20:41] <Aislinn> I think the brain was acting in a neutral manner, but people are not meant to come in contact in a physical way with its thoughts [20:41] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [20:41] <Evreka> I'm not sure [20:41] <Expelliarmas> What exactly was being studied in the Death Chamber? [20:41] <JaneMarple9> I think there has to be a reason for it to reappear in book 7 [20:41] <Aislinn> so it had a physical effect on Ron, scarring him [20:41] <cloudpic> OK... [20:42] <nympheart> death [20:42] <harryfreak359> err...Death? [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> Well do you think the brain attacking him is symbolic like knowing too much can hurt you? [20:42] <mollywobbles23> death [20:42] <JaneMarple9> erm...death? [20:42] <Evreka> but I used to believe so, and then I discarded it [20:42] <Books_4_eva> what happens after deaht maybe [20:42] <Expelliarmas> immortality? [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> death? [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> death [20:42] <Theoriser> what happens to you after you die [20:42] <mollywobbles23> It's the biggest mystery of all, isn't it? [20:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The veil? Voices beyond the veil [20:42] <CestlaVie> relationship between death and life [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> or life after death [20:42] <cloudpic> Which one is death? The veil? [20:42] <nympheart> yup [20:42] <futureweasley> the affects of death on the live surrounding it [20:42] <adamgryff> whats happens after the veil [20:42] <futureweasley> *life [20:42] <Aislinn> Death is one of the big mysteries of any culture [20:42] <JaneMarple9> death seems popular smile [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> lol jane [20:42] <Poet> Dumbledore calls it the death chamber, so I trust he has his reasons. [20:42] <Books_4_eva> that vail was weired [20:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That is a good way of summing it up. Has anyone been to a cremation? [20:42] <Aislinn> people seek to understand this great mystery, as it will happen to us all [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> going beyond the veil is an old metaphor for the afterlief [20:42] *** Nunzia has joined #lounge [20:42] <mollywobbles23> no [20:43] <Evreka> Maybe it isn't studied in itself, more if there's a way to contact or learn from those who is dead? [20:43] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:43] <cloudpic> The curtain flutters...moves though there's no wind [20:43] <cloudpic> Why? [20:43] <JaneMarple9> Death really is a mystery in the Muggle world and the Wizard one [20:43] <fawkes28> good point, evreka [20:43] <cloudpic> How can it move? [20:43] <CestlaVie> if you stuck your head through the veil, what would you see? [20:43] <futureweasley> I'm wondering if it was like an electric chamber...like a room where the death of prosecuted wizards could be witnessed [20:43] <mollywobbles23> because people are always dying all around the world? [20:43] <nympheart> i think you'd get sucked in [20:43] <Books_4_eva> maybe the voices there thoughs of the dead... maybe there stuck in a type of limbo [20:43] <JaneMarple9> There might be anything behind it [20:43] <Evreka> I guess you'd die [20:43] *** TheFlyingBroom-- has joined #lounge [20:43] <cloudpic> So their passage disturbs it? [20:43] <TheFlyingBroom--> hi [20:43] <Nunzia> hi all [20:43] <Theoriser> I think you'd see nothing, unless you went the whole way through [20:43] <JaneMarple9> If I stuck my head behind it...just blackness [20:43] <mollywobbles23> yes [20:44] <CestlaVie> hmmmm..... [20:44] <cloudpic> Hmm... so as people pass through the veil...it moves [20:44] <CedrellaBlack> what happens if someone decides to walk through it? [20:44] <Aislinn> I think they are trying to figure out how to communicate with the people on the other side of the veil [20:44] <Theoriser> it reminds me of the doorway leading to nowhere in narnia, and when they went through it the people just disappeared [20:44] <Evreka> you might get decaptivated! [20:44] <nympheart> invisible ghosts [20:44] <fawkes28> they must test it with objects like stick a broom part way in and see what happens [20:44] <cloudpic> At least in their "soul" form...not like Sirius [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> If you go to a funeral the casket passes beyond a veil after the ceremony [20:44] <JaneMarple9> maybe a tiny bit of light at the end which keeps calling you [20:44] <CestlaVie> lol [20:44] <fawkes28> nice idea theorise [20:44] <futureweasley> The Death Chamber could have been Wizarding World's pre-Azkaban punishment [20:44] <Aislinn> but I can see how what you suggest might be possible, fW, especially in an earlier age [20:44] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:44] <harryfreak359> I wish Jo would write a book, "The Life in the Department of Mysteries" so that we could have all our questions answered [20:44] <TheFlyingBroom--> whats u all talkin about [20:44] <mollywobbles23> good connection, theoriser [20:44] <cloudpic> I've never been to a funeral like that [20:44] <mollywobbles23> I just finished reading Narnia, so that's fresh in my mind [20:44] <Expelliarmas> Where did the veil come from and how did it even get to the Department of Mysteries? [20:44] <nympheart> I agree fw [20:45] <cloudpic> It's ancient and crumbling This post has been edited by Theoriser: Oct 2 2006, 04:06 AM |
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