P3 Chat Transcript: 12/03/06, Dumbledore's family - A Profitable Line of Inquiry? |
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Todays chat moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, fawkes28, futureweasley and Theoriser
[15:03] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:03] *** Topic is: Dumbeldore's Family--A Profitable Line of Inquiry? [15:03] *** Topic set by Expelliarmas [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> Hapy Birthday [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> *Happy [15:03] <BlixDude> Is anyone here a "Mod" or is it just member chat [15:03] <Pleshette> Hi birthday girl! [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> hi Aislinn [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> mods, mods everywhere [15:04] <futureweasley> there are some mods here, yes [15:04] <BlixDude> Yes it should be fun [15:04] <Aislinn> Hi folks! [15:04] <JaneMarple9> smile ty! What better way to finish my birthday!! [15:04] <BlixDude> The ones with the green @ signs? [15:04] <Pleshette> Hi Ais! [15:04] <Aislinn> Happy birthday, Jane smile [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> yes Blix [15:04] <BlixDude> Ah thank you [15:04] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [15:04] <futureweasley> !deop Expelliarmas [15:05] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> so are you home FW? [15:05] <futureweasley> happy B-Day Jane!! [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi AEN [15:05] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [15:05] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:05] <futureweasley> I am home, yes [15:05] <Aislinn> Hi AEN [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi HF [15:05] <An_Eternal_Night> hi all [15:05] <futureweasley> hi AEN, Expie and HarryFreak! [15:05] <harryfreak359> Hi everyone smile [15:05] <Aislinn> hi HF [15:05] <Pleshette> Hi AEN! [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> glad you didn't wander out in the storm smile [15:05] <JaneMarple9> Hi there AEN! [15:05] <Expelliarmas> heya peepers [15:05] <An_Eternal_Night> I have had CB withdrawal, from being gone so long... [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi Expie [15:05] <Pleshette> Hello there Expel and Harryfreak [15:05] <futureweasley> It was still questionable as of a couple hours ago...I forewent the decision to go [15:06] <futureweasley> we've been missing you AEN! [15:06] <Aislinn> oh no - CB withdrawal! [15:06] <JaneMarple9> And HarryFreak! [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> (((((future))))) [15:06] <Pleshette> Aw...there will be another time future [15:06] <harryfreak359> It was only fitting that as soon as I get on here my internet shuts down....*sigh* Hi Jane!!! [15:06] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [15:06] <futureweasley> I know...I'm still bummed though [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> oopsy HF [15:06] <futureweasley> hi nympheart [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I know sad [15:06] <nympheart> hello [15:06] <harryfreak359> hi nympheart [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> seems like he'll be at Prophecy though [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> it would make sense [15:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi nymph [15:07] <An_Eternal_Night> hi nympheart [15:07] <nympheart> it took awhile to get in [15:07] <harryfreak359> Aww, Future you'll get to seem him another time! [15:07] <nympheart> greetings all [15:07] <Pleshette> Hey nympheart! [15:07] <BlixDude> Hello [15:07] <harryfreak359> see* [15:07] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:07] <Aislinn> hi nymph [15:07] <harryfreak359> Hello Blix! [15:07] <BlixDude> Hi lol [15:08] <harryfreak359> I probably won't be particpating much today, I've got too much homework... sad [15:08] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [15:08] *** cbm has quit [Bye] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge *** Topic is: Dumbeldore's Family--A Profitable Line of Inquiry? *** Topic set by Expelliarmas [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:07] <Aislinn> hey theoriser [20:07] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi Theo [20:07] <nympheart> hi theoriser [20:07] <Theoriser> hi everyone [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> wb cbm [20:07] <BlixDude> Who here begins the discussion? [20:07] <Aislinn> hi cbm [20:07] <harryfreak359> Hi theoriser! [20:07] <An_Eternal_Night> oooh, thanks for reminding me harryfreak! [20:07] <nympheart> hi cbm [20:07] <Pleshette> I can't stay long today either harryfreak [20:07] <harryfreak359> lol [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> the mods will Blix [20:07] <Expelliarmas> today, it's me Blix [20:07] <Aislinn> we'll start at quarter past, blix [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> at abotu 15 after [20:07] <BlixDude> Ah thank you [20:08] <Aislinn> we like to give people a chance to get here and settle in first :) [20:08] <cbm> hi again. ie7 is acting STRANGE [20:08] <BlixDude> Right right [20:08] <harryfreak359> lol [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> what can you expect from Internet Exploder cbm LOL [20:08] <nympheart> who has their holiday decorations up? [20:09] <harryfreak359> exploder lol [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> my sister has put up some [20:09] <BlixDude> I have some up lol [20:09] <Pleshette> I have some up, but not all yet [20:09] <BlixDude> I love christmas [20:09] <harryfreak359> I have mine up [20:09] <cbm> I am on someone else's computer and there is no firefox :( [20:09] <futureweasley> Christmas is great [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> still waiting on the snow though :( [20:09] <nympheart> we need to buy a new tree [20:09] <futureweasley> hi Theoriser [20:09] <harryfreak359> I love Christmas best holiday [20:09] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [20:09] <nympheart> i love snow! [20:09] <BlixDude> Christmas Spirit is my faovrite time of year [20:09] <Pleshette> Love it too future! [20:09] * Expelliarmas stays conspicuously quiet as to decorations [20:09] <Theoriser> hehe I make do with internet explorer, I don't think it's that bad [20:09] <Aislinn> Hi Mr M! [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M! [20:09] <futureweasley> my house is too small for a tree...so I bought a LITTLE fiberoptic one...it's cute and VERY funny [20:09] <Pleshette> Hey Mr. McG! [20:09] <harryfreak359> Hey M.McG! [20:10] <BlixDude> Sweaters, presents, parties [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [20:10] <nympheart> hello MrM [20:10] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:10] <BlixDude> It's all so wonderful [20:10] <harryfreak359> Mr.McG8 [20:10] <Expelliarmas> wow, these are the driest cookies I've ever had; brb need milk [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> that sounds awesome future [20:10] <harryfreak359> Mr.McG* [20:10] <harryfreak359> mmm, cookies...I need to make lunch... [20:10] *** Angelyka13 has joined #lounge [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> lol HF [20:10] <Theoriser> lol expie [20:10] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:10] <Pleshette> How's the snow all of you to the west? [20:10] <nympheart> hi angelyka [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> hi Angelyka [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> wb fawkes [20:11] <futureweasley> hi angel, fawkes [20:11] <Aislinn> hi angel, fawkes :) [20:11] <nympheart> hi fawkes [20:11] <fawkes28> yay snuffles let me in! [20:11] <MrMcGonagall> It's slowly melting off. The main roads are OK. [20:11] <harryfreak359> Hi fawkes! [20:11] <futureweasley> good boy, snuffles!! [20:11] <Angelyka13> hello all [20:11] <Theoriser> hi angelyka [20:11] <fawkes28> i'll even woot [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> that's good to hear Mr M, you guys got pounded down there [20:11] <harryfreak359> That's good to hear Mr.M [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW! [20:11] <futureweasley> we've got some chatters long absent from our ranks!! Welcome back guys [20:11] <Pleshette> Ah, no excuse to stay inside anymore then? ;) [20:12] <Pleshette> Maggie must be happy! [20:12] <nympheart> i'm jealous of the snow [20:12] * harryfreak359 wishes that she had gotten some of that snow [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> Nope, I ventured forth this afternoon, like a badger from my warren. [20:12] <futureweasley> lol [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M's groundhog day LOL [20:12] <BlixDude> so what houses are you all in? [20:12] <Pleshette> hee hee [20:12] <An_Eternal_Night> I love snow! we have about 4 inches of it around here [20:12] <nympheart> next year I'll be slightly more north this time of year, maybe I'll get more then [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> mine :) [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> just kidding Blix [20:12] <Pleshette> Hufflepuff, Blix. And you? [20:13] <futureweasley> I'm a Gryffindor [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> actually I'm in my parents' house right now LOL [20:13] <nympheart> I'm a Ravenclaw [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> I choose Gryffindor [20:13] <Angelyka13> not sorted. [20:13] <BlixDude> Gryffindor, but the hat almost put me in Ravenclaw [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> but I've got a lot of Gryff, Huff and Raven in the tests [20:13] <Pleshette> I'm not officially sorted...but I can eliminate myself from the other 3 [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> yes, future is definitely a Gryffindor :) [20:13] <nympheart> I've come out as Gryffindor and Hufflepuff too, but more Ravenclaw [20:14] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi emily [20:14] <Pleshette> hi emily [20:14] <nympheart> hi emily [20:14] <cbm> I am usually sorted as Gryffindor [20:14] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [20:14] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [20:14] <Theoriser> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules[/b [20:15] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [20:15] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [20:15] <Expelliarmas> Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore was born circa 1844 and was approximately 150 years old at the time of his death. [20:15] <Expelliarmas> Albus Dumbledore’s past seems to be a mystery. However, it is known that his brother is Aberforth, who runs the bar at the Hog’s Head in Hogsmeade. [20:15] <Expelliarmas> In the 2005 interview with Melisa Anelli and Emerson Spartz, J.K. Rowling states, “Dumbledore's family would be a profitable line of inquiry, more profitable than sweet wrappers.” [20:15] <Expelliarmas> Let’s explore questions about Dumbledore’s family! [20:15] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore is a wise man who many have considered to be the greatest wizard in the world. How much of an influence do you think his parents had on him? [20:16] <nympheart> I don't think that much actually [20:16] <futureweasley> that's a great question... [20:16] <BlixDude> I don't either [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> I would think parents would always have an influence one way or another [20:16] <harryfreak359> I don't think much either [20:16] <nympheart> just from the contrast between him and Aberforth [20:16] <An_Eternal_Night> it's hard to imagine Dumbledore having parents... [20:16] <Aislinn> I imagine that they must have had some influence on him - parents always have some type of influence, whether positive or negative [20:16] <BlixDude> Otherise Aberfroth would've come out better [20:16] *** katieb has joined #lounge [20:16] <EmilyVizi> He was a mysterious kind of man [20:16] <Theoriser> hmm, I've never thought about his parents much [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> but he does seem like a self-learner [20:16] <fawkes28> i think they were kind people and talk him by example [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> hi katie [20:16] <nympheart> hi katie [20:16] <futureweasley> I think that Dumbledore is mainly self-taught, so I think that he was somehow able to channel into his potential despite parental involvement or influence [20:16] <MrMcGonagall> It's hard to imagine what the wizarding world was like in the mid-nineteenth century. [20:17] <cbm> All children of good parents do not come out good [20:17] <fawkes28> i think they were a positive influence on him [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> Good grief! Victorian wizards. [20:17] <futureweasley> can you imagine MrM? [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> of course maybe Aberforth is the aberration in the family and everyone else is brillant [20:17] <BlixDude> I don't think they were evil [20:17] <fawkes28> they may not know as much as he came to know but i think he got his morals from them [20:17] <Angelyka13> I would think that if they had been great inspiration to him that he would have mentioned them at some point [20:17] <Expelliarmas> his parents must have had some influence though; the victorian age was an interesting shift in thought process [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> Aberforth does sound a bit like a black sheep. [20:17] <futureweasley> I don't think so either blix..good call [20:17] <BlixDude> Though I doubt very intelligent like he was [20:17] <BlixDude> Also they might've [20:17] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [20:17] <Aislinn> I think that their parents taught them that individuality is a thing to be valued, as they clearly have pursued their own paths [20:18] <BlixDude> Owned the hog's head before Aberfroth [20:18] <BlixDude> Perhaps it's a family bar [20:18] <nympheart> good point Aislinn [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> could be Blix [20:18] <futureweasley> there was evil then like there is now...I'm sure that his parents taught him good morals...good from bad, right from wrong [20:18] <nympheart> they're both definitely individuals [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> I could see DD as one having come from rather humble family origins. [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> A lot like the Weasleys, maybe. [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> true FW [20:18] <BlixDude> Really Mr.M? [20:18] <futureweasley> yes MrM...I don't think they were rich [20:18] <nympheart> me too MrM [20:18] <BlixDude> I'd say almost the opposite... [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Mr M. He seems to appreciate teh little things in life [20:18] <futureweasley> you think he comes from money, Blix? [20:18] <BlixDude> Dumbledore seems so [20:18] <Expelliarmas> there's something about his carriage, which makes me think he did not come from a humble background [20:18] <BlixDude> Out there [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> and the things that really matter, like people [20:19] <BlixDude> As well as Aberfroth [20:19] <fawkes28> i don't think he did come from money [20:19] <Angelyka13> if he came from money wouldnt his brother have had money also? [20:19] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [20:19] <fawkes28> i think his family were hard-working people [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 [20:19] <fawkes28> hi 7 [20:19] <nympheart> hi seven [20:19] <futureweasley> that's interesting Expie...his stature is regal like that [20:19] <Aislinn> I think that is a function of his age, expie - speech and mannerisms being more formal in the age in which he was raised [20:19] <SevenofNine> Greetings all. [20:19] <Expelliarmas> he radiated power and carried it very well [20:19] <An_Eternal_Night> hello Seven [20:19] <futureweasley> but I thought it was despite having money [20:19] <futureweasley> hi seven [20:19] <cbm> If you are 150, even if you came from money, you might of run out [20:19] <BlixDude> Oh excuse me [20:19] <Pleshette> He seven [20:19] <Aislinn> hi seven! [20:19] <futureweasley> that's so true cbm [20:19] <BlixDude> I don't know about that [20:20] <Pleshette> *Hi [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> he's been around the block a few times. I think that may have come with age and experience and being a headmaster for so long [20:20] <BlixDude> By humble I thought you ment [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I rather see the Dumbledore family as being rather ordinary, hard-working wizard people who have a really exceptional son, and then one who is a bit of a black sheep. [20:20] <Pleshette> I agree with that Mr.McG [20:20] <fawkes28> yes, debbie, i think he learned from experience [20:20] <SevenofNine> Well Aberforth and DD are very different int heir career choices. [20:20] <SevenofNine> DD could have been Mom and Aberfort is a barman [20:20] <Expelliarmas> I have a feeling it was the parents who taught DD about making choices [20:20] <BlixDude> I doubt his parents were as exceptioally gifted as he is [20:20] <futureweasley> I don't know what their parents had to do with their different careers, though [20:21] * cbm has to go, bye, I may be back later [20:21] <MrMcGonagall> I do rather think the Dumbledores are a pure-blood family, though like the Weasleys, I don't think they make much of it. [20:21] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:21] *** britbrit has joined #lounge [20:21] <fawkes28> i like that thought, expie [20:21] <Pleshette> bye cbm [20:21] <BlixDude> I think Tofty might've mentioned it [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> that would be a lesson best learned young Expie [20:21] <SevenofNine> Why do you think that Blix? [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> bye [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi brit [20:21] <futureweasley> hi britbrit [20:21] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M [20:21] <nympheart> I think DD made his own choices in life, he chose to pursue intellect and Aberforth went a more questionable direction [20:21] <BlixDude> Oh well because [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think so Mr M, I don't think he's even pure human [20:21] <BlixDude> I think their great acheivements Would've been mentioned [20:21] <Expelliarmas> What do you think Dumbledore’s parents did for a living? [20:21] <SevenofNine> didn [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> no idea [20:22] <BlixDude> Something like "Dumbledore, son of the gifted witch and wizard XXX, has..." [20:22] <nympheart> hmm [20:22] <SevenofNine> 't JO say that DD was self taught? [20:22] <Expelliarmas> His mom might have been a stay at home witch [20:22] <Aislinn> I think they may have been just ordinary members of the wizarding community [20:22] <nympheart> yes, she did seven [20:22] <futureweasley> I think they were upstanding citizens in the Wizarding World...I think they had respectible jobs and worked hard for a living [20:22] <Theoriser> I've heard a great theory that they owned the sweetshop in honeydukes (at least I think that was the theory) [20:22] <Aislinn> Possibly owned a shop of some sort [20:22] <nympheart> i agree with Aislinn [20:22] <SevenofNine> I've always imagined that as being his later education. [20:22] <Pleshette> I often wonder if they were Muggles [20:22] <fawkes28> i completely agree, future [20:22] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree that they were hardworking people, and not rich [20:22] <futureweasley> I do like the "family bar" theory...that the Hog's Head has been passed down [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. Probably nothing extraordinary. I don't think they had Ministryh jobs. [20:22] <BlixDude> I think they owned the Hog's Head [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> that was you Theo? I was just thinking of that but couldn't remember who said it [20:22] <Expelliarmas> that would explain the love of sweets, Theo [20:22] <nympheart> that's a fair question Pleshette [20:22] <Theoriser> nope, not my theory, I just think it's a really interesting one [20:23] *** britbrit has quit [Bye] [20:23] <futureweasley> yes, I've heard they might have owned Honeydukes, too [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> oh ok Theo. I've read that somewhere too [20:23] <futureweasley> that is very interesting [20:23] <SevenofNine> I like that idea [20:23] <fawkes28> i don't think they worked for the ministry because dumbledore doesn't really agree with the ministry much...i think he may have heard this from his family [20:23] <BlixDude> That Witch and Wizard couple who own Honeydukes now [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> I liked the thought of DD sneaking into Hogwarts via Honeydukes as a kid [20:23] <Expelliarmas> Somehow, the hogs head reputation for "funny folk" seems to have been around for ages, I can't see his family owning that bar [20:23] <BlixDude> give the impression that they've owned it for a long time [20:23] <Aislinn> or, they were dentists like Hermione's parents, and his love of sweets is actually rebellion :D [20:23] <futureweasley> DD's preoccupation with candy could be explained because of that [20:23] <Pleshette> That scar of the London underground has made me wonder if perhaps he grew up with Muggle parents [20:23] <futureweasley> lol Aislinn [20:23] <An_Eternal_Night> lol Aislinn! l [20:23] <SevenofNine> Like Willy Wonka? [20:23] <fawkes28> lol aislinn [20:24] <nympheart> I think "Honeyduke" is the name of the family who owns the shop [20:24] <BlixDude> I don't think so [20:24] <futureweasley> ooh, Pleshette...I hadn't thought of that [20:24] <SevenofNine> **giggles** [20:24] <nympheart> but I do like the candy idea [20:24] <Expelliarmas> that's too willy wonka, Aislinn! [20:24] <BlixDude> What are the odds of two wizarding children [20:24] <BlixDude> In a muggle family? [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Blix but DD's paretns may have died 100 years ago [20:24] <Expelliarmas> The Creeveys worked out , Blix [20:24] <SevenofNine> Welll the Creeveys [20:24] <futureweasley> we aren't entirely sure that Aberforth isn't a squib [20:24] <Aislinn> don't the Creevy's come from Muggle parentage [20:24] <Pleshette> Aren't the Creeveys muggleborn? [20:24] <BlixDude> True... [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> I think his scar may be a map of Gringott's not the Tube [20:24] <nympheart> He performed charms on a goat, I think he's magical [20:24] <SevenofNine> Perhaps it's inthe combination of the genes [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> yes Plesheete both of them [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, nymph [20:25] <futureweasley> he could have been kwikspelling on the Goats for practice...like Filch [20:25] <SevenofNine> Yes, I've never thought that Aberforth wasn't magical. [20:25] <Expelliarmas> What kind of life do you picture him having as a child? [20:25] <futureweasley> modest [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> I think Muggleborns are from a random mutation which would make the Creeveys' very rare [20:25] <fawkes28> i think he had a happy life [20:25] <SevenofNine> I'll be DD kept his parents running. [20:25] <nympheart> very curious, inquisitive [20:25] <futureweasley> lots of friends, lots of enemies [20:25] <BlixDude> I can't see anything but a happy one [20:25] <SevenofNine> He was so bright and very gifted magically. [20:25] <fawkes28> i can just picture him sitting in front of the fireplace reading [20:25] <BlixDude> He must've been popular [20:25] <Expelliarmas> asking lots of questions and getting the answers [20:25] <Aislinn> it's hard to picture wizarding childhood back in the 1800's, although in some ways hogwarts is quite timeless [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> Rather ordinary in its outward respects, but I think Albus had a keen and inquisitive mind, a love of experimentation. [20:25] <Pleshette> Yeah, I'll bet he was fun-loving and very bright [20:25] <BlixDude> Being so gifted at school [20:25] <SevenofNine> I'll be they were really hopping trying to keep up with him [20:25] <katieb> No I'd say he was magical wasn't he in the order? [20:25] <futureweasley> well liked, but feared for his intellect [20:25] <Angelyka13> Do we know for sure he was raised by his parents? Maybe that is why is was so taken with Harry & Riddle [20:26] <BlixDude> Hmm perhaps not [20:26] <fawkes28> i think he interacted with other kids but i think he prefered to be by himself [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> maybe snubbed for being so gifted, like Hermione sometimes is [20:26] <nympheart> I agree fawkes [20:26] <An_Eternal_Night> yes, alone but not lonely [20:26] <Aislinn> I think so too fawkes [20:26] <Pleshette> I agree fawkes, he may have been misunderstood as a child [20:26] <BlixDude> I think Dumbledore's wimsy must've been admired though [20:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think you're right fawkes. I would guess early on that his talents showed and set him above his peers. [20:26] <BlixDude> Hermiobne is sort of cold book smart [20:26] <futureweasley> I see Dumbledore as a teacher's pet...always with the right answers...but also willing to challenge a teacher [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> he's got a lot of Fred & George in him [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> loves a good joke [20:27] <Expelliarmas> DD would seem to be a social kind of guy, he'd be more popular than Hermione [20:27] <BlixDude> Yes, like Fred and George [20:27] <BlixDude> Are DD and Aberfroth Twins? [20:27] <Pleshette> true Debbie [20:27] <Aislinn> he does, debbie, and does not seem overly taken with authority [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> His parents must have been very moral people, I think. [20:27] <futureweasley> we don't know Blix [20:27] <futureweasley> but I don't think so [20:27] <fawkes28> Dumbledore is one of those people who gets along with almost everyone [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> lol that's an understatement Aislin LOL [20:27] <BlixDude> But remember [20:27] <BlixDude> dumbledore has not true equal or confident [20:27] <SevenofNine> And I like that about him Aislinn [20:27] <BlixDude> no* [20:27] <Aislinn> He certainly does have a strong moral center, Mr M - it makes sense that he got some of that from his parents [20:27] <BlixDude> No one to go to for help [20:28] <Expelliarmas> A gentle reminder folks to stay on topic [20:28] <Aislinn> me too, seven! [20:28] <BlixDude> He's the one who always gives [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> As a child, I bet he was rather precocious. [20:28] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> what was the question? [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi sdcurtis [20:28] <Aislinn> hi sd [20:28] <SevenofNine> Children can be really impacted by how they are raised. Either to embrace it or to go completely against it. [20:28] <sdcurtis> hello [20:28] <futureweasley> As a child, I see him eager to learn and willing to challenge authority...much like he is in his adulthood [20:29] <Expelliarmas> DumbleDebbie-- What kind of life do you picture him having as a child? [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> thanks Expie :) [20:29] <nympheart> I see him asking a lot of questions, and going out of his way to find his own answers [20:29] <BlixDude> I can't see it being horrible like snape's [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> I bet his mom was glad to send Albus off to school. I bet he was a handful sometimes at home. [20:29] <BlixDude> Or even Harry's [20:29] <Expelliarmas> Somehow, DD strikes me as the kinda guy who danced to his own beat [20:29] <Theoriser> me neither blix [20:29] <futureweasley> yes nympheart...I think that is true [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> I see him doing a lot of experimenting outside of classes [20:29] <fawkes28> dumbledore was a like sponge, he just soaked up knowledge [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> very much Expie [20:29] <Pleshette> I have to run. see you all later! [20:29] <futureweasley> very astute observation fawkes [20:29] <harryfreak359> bye! [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, Pleshette! [20:29] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [20:29] <futureweasley> bye Pleshette! [20:29] <Expelliarmas> bye pleshette [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> bye Pleshette [20:30] <nympheart> by pleshette [20:30] <BlixDude> Good day [20:30] <SevenofNine> Yes, Exp. I like that description. But DD 's compass seems to be very balanced. [20:30] <Aislinn> yet, he sees the need for making connections with other people, so I don't see him as being a very isolated personality [20:30] <SevenofNine> so where did he get it? From the home of his birth? [20:30] <BlixDude> Do you think Dumbledore ever dated? [20:30] <Expelliarmas> DD would not be unbalanced, but he would be willing to go his own way [20:30] <fawkes28> people are just drawn to him [20:30] <Expelliarmas> What do you think the wizarding world was like when Dumbledore was growing up? [20:30] <nympheart> interesting question blix [20:30] <BlixDude> Ever fell in love, perhaps [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> interesting Expie. I dunno [20:31] <futureweasley> the mods ask the questions, Blix...we will get to that one shortly [20:31] <nympheart> a bit more peaceful than at the moment [20:31] <katieb> Must go too bye! [20:31] <nympheart> bye katie [20:31] <SevenofNine> Much like it is now? [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> I don'tknow nymph [20:31] *** katieb left #lounge [] [20:31] <SevenofNine> Minus evil wizards? [20:31] <Aislinn> I think that the wizarding world has a bit of a timeless quality to it, so I'm not sure it would be tremendously different than what we see now [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> I think relatively peaceful. A time of progress. [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> evil will always rear its ugly head [20:31] <Expelliarmas> oh no, Seven, I think there has always been evil [20:31] <nympheart> I think the magical world is more...timeless...than ours [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> true Aislinn [20:31] <SevenofNine> Oh, I agree ExP. [20:32] <An_Eternal_Night> it seemed to be a period of great discoveries and inventions, from what it looks like on famous witches and wizard cards [20:32] <futureweasley> I think that another dark lord was attempting to rule over the Wizarding World [20:32] <SevenofNine> But it's not every day you have ones like Grindelwald and LV [20:32] <Expelliarmas> but if he grew up in the Victorian age, it would have been a time of great experimentation--social, the sciences, education [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> I think the wizarding world goes though cycles of war just like the muggle world [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> yes future, me too [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> I should think the wizarding world was rather untouched by the Industrial Revolution. [20:32] <BlixDude> I don't know aboyut there being a CONSTANT evil force like LV/Grindelwald [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> there's always one brewing somewhere [20:32] <SevenofNine> I can see DD's early days being a time of quitet [20:32] <SevenofNine> *quiet [20:32] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [20:32] <Aislinn> it seems to parallel the Muggle world in that way - with the wars at least [20:32] <Expelliarmas> not touched by the IR, but influenced by its energy and forward progress [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> no 7, just every 50 or so years LOL [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi Evreka! [20:32] <Evreka> Hi everyone [20:33] <Aislinn> hi evreka [20:33] <SevenofNine> Too right Debbie! [20:33] <Evreka> ((Debbie)) [20:33] <fawkes28> hi evreka [20:33] <futureweasley> it seems to be a running theme though...there is always someone rising to be fought with [20:33] <An_Eternal_Night> hi evreka [20:33] <nympheart> hi evreka [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, I don't think so, future. There was no major war on the European continent between 1815 and 1914, with the exception of the rather brief Franco-Prussian War in 1870-71. [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes Aislin there are parallels with the wars [20:33] <SevenofNine> I can imagine regional evils as opposed to world domination evils. [20:33] <fawkes28> there always is going to be some bad guy out there so it wouldnt surprise me if there was one in his time [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes FW, that's how the world it, muggle and wizard [20:33] <futureweasley> oh fine, get all "historian" on me, MrM [20:33] <futureweasley> lol [20:33] <BlixDude> Maybe not directly effecting them [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> lol, future! [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:34] <Evreka> Sorry I'm late, what's the question? [20:34] <BlixDude> Like LV isn't a huge problem in... Wizarding China, I wouldn't think [20:34] <Expelliarmas> DD always kept up with what was going on in the Muggle world, so I think he would have been influenced [20:34] <Evreka> lol blix [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> what was the wizarding world like when DD was young [20:34] <Aislinn> we're talking about what the wizarding world was like when DD was a child [20:34] <BlixDude> they hear about it but do they worry as much? [20:34] <Expelliarmas> evreka-- What do you think the wizarding world was like when Dumbledore was growing up? [20:34] <Evreka> oh, Thanks! [20:34] <SevenofNine> That time period was one of a lot of advancement. [20:34] <nympheart> perfect for someone like DD [20:34] <Evreka> For muggles - yes [20:34] <fawkes28> right, seven, he must have been fascinated by the time period [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> technological though, and the wizards clearly missed that boat [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was a rather inventive time - a time of progress in both the Muggle and wizarding worlds. Peace and stability makes that kind of progress possible. [20:35] <Evreka> But will wizards have noticed? [20:35] <BlixDude> there was probably something going on in America during that time [20:35] <Expelliarmas> For DD, that time period would have been very exciting and nurturing [20:35] <SevenofNine> While muggles would be getting steam engines, etc.l going, what did wizards do? [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think they've noticed yet Evreka [20:35] <fawkes28> i would think he was learning about the muggle world as well as the magical world [20:35] <SevenofNine> Experiement with spells, potions, etc? [20:35] <Evreka> Maybe they've had steam engines since the 15th century [20:35] <Expelliarmas> They also got the steam engine, 7, the hogwarts express [20:35] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, I agree, and it seems that DD embraced that time of advancement, as he seemed to be one to explore and experiment [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think the wizarding world was probably stretching the bounds of known magic - new and more efficient spells, magical technology. [20:36] <SevenofNine> I think the wizarding world's technology is only limited by what will work around a lot of magic. [20:36] <nympheart> I agree MrM [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder how young he was when he started working with Flamel [20:36] <fawkes28> it was a perfect time for him to grow up [20:36] <SevenofNine> The wizarding world isn't trying to avoid advancing. [20:36] <Evreka> at least 18 I would assume [20:36] <Expelliarmas> There's a great example of experimentation and exploration of knowledge, DumbleDebbie, working with Flamel [20:36] <SevenofNine> Gotta run, guys. It's been fun! [20:36] <Expelliarmas> bye 7 [20:36] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [20:36] <nympheart> bye seven [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, Seven! [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> bye 7 [20:36] <BlixDude> Bye [20:36] <Evreka> bye seven [20:37] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore has a scar on his left knee, which is the perfect map of the London underground. Do you think he has had this from the time of his birth? [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> true Expie [20:37] <nympheart> no, I think he got it somewhere [20:37] <sdcurtis> Perhaps in the wizarding world the studying/advancements came from research mediveal magic [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> nope I think he got it in his battles with Grindlewald, [20:37] <futureweasley> I wonder if it was self-inflicted [20:37] <Aislinn> no - I think he got it from some specific incident [20:37] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think so [20:37] <Evreka> I tend to think it's a scar he got from fighting Grindelwald [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know. That's a very interesting question. How does one get a scar in the shape of a Tube map? [20:37] <nympheart> fw, that makes me shudder [20:37] <Angelyka13> no... i almost wonder if he had it put there [20:37] <fawkes28> so you think he experimented , future? [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> and I think it's a map of the wizard underground i.e. Gringott's not the Muggle Tube [20:37] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he got that from birth [20:38] <sdcurtis> I think it was from a specific incident [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> if it was a map of Gringott's underground it would be very "useful" [20:38] <fawkes28> it is interesting that he would have a scar like that [20:38] <BlixDude> I think it might'be been fated for that [20:38] <futureweasley> no, I was thinking that he might have needed to find something in the Muggle world, but didn't want to have something as precarious as a map [20:38] <nympheart> I like the suggestion that it came from fighting Grindelwald [20:38] <Evreka> I doubt that Debbie, these books are originally written for UK, and in UK the Underground equals TUBE/METRO... [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> a map of the Tube isn't, there's a copy on every train, you don't need to have one with you [20:38] <Expelliarmas> How on earth he got that particularly shaped scar is totally beyond my feeble brain [20:38] <fawkes28> i think it came earlier than that [20:38] <fawkes28> perhaps during his hogwarts days [20:38] <sdcurtis> I would think it was almost like a branding if it was perfect [20:38] <fawkes28> dumbledore would have liked to explore the world [20:38] <Theoriser> it makes me wonder too, expie [20:39] <futureweasley> do you see DD stopping to look at a map in the tube? [20:39] <Evreka> lol Expie [20:39] <fawkes28> and i could see him doing that right after hogwarts [20:39] <BlixDude> Yes [20:39] <Theoriser> from the little that I know of the underground, that would be a very strange scar [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> been there tons of times Evreka. I'm just thinking it might be one of those tings she wrote knowing we'd assume the Tube but it meaans something else entirely [20:39] <Expelliarmas> why, yes, FW, he would [20:39] <nympheart> I can see him looking at a map more easily that pulling up his robes [20:39] <BlixDude> Yeah exactly [20:39] <Evreka> possibly... [20:39] <BlixDude> And trying to read something off his knee [20:40] <Evreka> lol blix [20:40] <nympheart> I know that I'd personally find that very strange to watch [20:40] <fawkes28> but he may have thought that was the best way [20:40] <An_Eternal_Night> I can see both of those things equally well; they're both very funny! [20:40] <Expelliarmas> Did the Dumbledore’s grow up in Hogsmeade? If not, where did they live? [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> just like we assume "give ones right hand" is just a figure of speech, until it becomes literal [20:40] <BlixDude> Is the map color-coded? How detailed do you think it could be [20:40] <harryfreak359> I don't htink that they did, I dunno where though... [20:40] <harryfreak359> think* [20:40] <sdcurtis> I think they could have [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> I don't know [20:40] <fawkes28> i would really like to think that Dumbledore grew up in hogsmeade [20:40] <An_Eternal_Night> I think they lived in London [20:40] <Evreka> I don't think we have canon proofs for any place it's all speculation more or less [20:40] <nympheart> I think no too, but I don't know why [20:41] <fawkes28> i could see him wandering around the village [20:41] <An_Eternal_Night> surrounded by muggles and wizards alike [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know. For some reason I'm thinking Yorkshire. Don't know why, though. [20:41] <fawkes28> strolling up to hogwarts [20:41] <nympheart> I kind of picture them living off on their own in the countryside [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> pudding Mr M? :wink: [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Debbie! [20:41] <Aislinn> I do too, nymph [20:41] <Evreka> So I can see theories being correct on Hogsmeade, Godric's Hollow, Hogearts even, and a good many other places [20:41] <BlixDude> I wonder if he played Quidditch [20:41] <futureweasley> I can see them growing up away from "all wizarding" communities...I think they may have had a home like the Burrow in an obscure town [20:42] <BlixDude> Maybe Fen =D [20:42] <Expelliarmas> I don't think so, MrM, he doesnt have the accent [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:42] <Theoriser> lol [20:42] <Expelliarmas> But I could see him growing up in the countryside [20:42] <fawkes28> growing up in hogsmeade could explain why he gets along with people so well...it seems like there would be lots of people around the village to meet and get to know [20:42] <Theoriser> maybe he travelled around, and that's why he doesn't have the accent [20:42] <Expelliarmas> or in the city; he's a complex kinda guy [20:42] <Angelyka13> well, I don't have much to contribute on this convo... so I am going to call it a day... Bye everyone! [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> where he could experiment without causing a panice Expie? :) [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> Somwhere DD picked up a sensitivity to Muggle relations. I wonder if that had anything to do with where he grew up. [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:43] <Expelliarmas> bye angelyka [20:43] <Evreka> Problem is I have a trouble seeing him grow up at all LOL [20:43] <nympheart> bye angelyka [20:43] *** Angelyka13 left #lounge [] [20:43] <An_Eternal_Night> bye angelyka [20:43] <Aislinn> I was just typing that, Mr M! [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> yeah at some point he's had interactions with Muggles a lot I think [20:43] <Expelliarmas> yes, Evreka, he's been old for soo long [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> Great minds think alike Aislinn! :D [20:43] <nympheart> DD always seems off in his own world so does Aberforth [20:43] <Aislinn> I think that he lived somewhere that he was exposed to and learned tolerance of Muggles [20:43] <Aislinn> :) [20:44] <BlixDude> Maybe rebeled against his pureblood parents [20:44] <sdcurtis> Do we know if he's a pure blood or not because that would explain his relation to muggles as well [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe he lived in a village in Sussex. [20:44] <nympheart> we don't know DD's bloodlines [20:44] <Aislinn> we don't know, sd [20:44] <BlixDude> future, got it [20:44] <Evreka> Yeah but that could just be tolerance for everyone because he's also surprisingly tolerant of Draco, even at the Astronomy Tower [20:44] <Evreka> it's not just muggles I mean [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, he's got heart for all beings Evreka [20:45] <An_Eternal_Night> maybe he grew up in several very different places; like the city, the country, a small town, etc. [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> even Tom Riddle [20:45] <Evreka> true Nymphart but we have a few clues... [20:45] <futureweasley> they could have moved around a lot [20:45] <Aislinn> but it does tend to point to him not living in a wizard-only environment [20:45] <Evreka> exactly Debbie [20:45] <futureweasley> I think he understands a lot about "muggle life"...that would likely owe to him growing up around Muggles [20:46] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore really enjoys sweets. There is a secret passageway from Hogwarts into Honeydukes. Do you think that Dumbledore’s family owned Honeydukes? [20:46] <futureweasley> but that doesn't necessarily mean his parents [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> possible [20:46] <BlixDude> I doubt it [20:46] <nympheart> I think the Honeyduke family owns Honeyduke's [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> it's a fun theory to imagine [20:46] <Evreka> I doubt it - but of course it might be [20:46] <MrMcGonagall> Possible, but it seems a bit of a stretch to me. [20:46] <futureweasley> it is a possibility [20:46] <An_Eternal_Night> that is such a cool theory... it's very possible [20:46] <fawkes28> he does really enjoy sweets [20:46] <futureweasley> if they didn't own it, then he spent an awful lot of time there [20:46] <fawkes28> and uses them as his password [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> little Albus sneaking into the school to read in the library or explore the castle [20:46] <BlixDude> Yeah I imagine the name honeydukes being attached to it [20:46] <sdcurtis> Without any evidence in the books I'm going to have to say yno [20:46] <futureweasley> maybe he was an apprentice confectioner [20:47] <Expelliarmas> Maybe Honeydukes was previously connected to Hogwarts ages ago. But I don't see the connection to DD himself. [20:47] <An_Eternal_Night> but also, being surrounded by sweets all his life, he might have gotten sick of them by the time he is 150... [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, I enjoy sweets, but my parents didn't own a candy shop. [20:47] <Evreka> I found a most interesting thread here at LL and someone suggested that maybe another house had been where Honeydukes are now before [20:47] <fawkes28> it could have been his summer job while he was at hogwarts [20:47] <Evreka> or that that House was not a candyshop then [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> oo, that's interesing Evreka [20:47] <Aislinn> yeah, a sweet tooth is not dependent on parent's occupations [20:47] <nympheart> yes, I doubt that it has always been a candy store [20:47] <sdcurtis> it could have been a staff house [20:47] <futureweasley> maybe we are really missing it...maybe he grew up in a gingerbread house [20:48] <Theoriser> lol future [20:48] <sdcurtis> lol [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW [20:48] <BlixDude> Heh [20:48] <nympheart> lol fw [20:48] <MrMcGonagall> lol, fw! [20:48] <sdcurtis> that would be awsome [20:48] <Evreka> lol MrM [20:48] <fawkes28> lol [20:48] <Theoriser> and the fact that the passwords to his office were always sweets is something else that supports this theory [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> with his sweet tooth, he'd be homeless inside of 6 months [20:48] <futureweasley> he is just too good to be true...stepping off the page of a FairyTale isn't out of the realm of possibility [20:48] <Evreka> interesting thoughtsdcurtis :) [20:49] <Expelliarmas> How far apart in age do you think Albus and Aberforth are? Who do you suppose was the older brother? [20:49] <nympheart> I think Albus is older [20:49] <BlixDude> I think they were twins [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> Albus seems older to me [20:49] <Theoriser> well, we know he had sweets when he was younger at least, from what he says to harry about having a vomit flavour bean when he was young [20:49] <futureweasley> I think that Aberforth is likely the older brother [20:49] <Aislinn> For some reason I think that Aberforth is the older brother [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> I rather think Albus is older, but probably not by a whole lot. [20:49] <Evreka> Not twins and other than that not sure [20:49] <sdcurtis> Albus seems to be the oler [20:49] <Expelliarmas> As a twin, somehow I don't think so [20:49] <Theoriser> yeah, it seems as though Albus is the older one [20:49] <fawkes28> i think albus is older [20:49] <nympheart> I think there's quite an age gap in there too [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it's because Albus seems more mature and definitely more accomplished [20:50] <fawkes28> right, debbie [20:50] <Expelliarmas> I don't think they were that far in age [20:50] <futureweasley> yes he does, Debbie [20:50] <BlixDude> I don't think anything between them can show they are older or younger [20:50] <Evreka> Albus was said to look old and weary not Aberforth, but really they both ought to be some 150 + [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> I think because rebellion tends to be more typical in the younger sibling, especially if they are always being compared to a talented older one. [20:50] <BlixDude> Which makes me think twin [20:50] <fawkes28> jo will just have to tell us one day [20:50] <Evreka> or say max 20 years apart and that's stretching things [20:50] <BlixDude> They also look really similar when harry describes Aberfroth [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M [20:50] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [20:50] <Expelliarmas> Albus has more pressing responsibilities on him, so it's not surprising he looks older [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> he has a lot of 1st child in him (Albus) [20:50] <harryfreak359> I don't that they are that far much of a difference [20:51] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam [20:51] <nympheart> I think older siblings try harder to please their parents [20:51] <futureweasley> I don't think that Albus has that "older brother" code of looking out for his younger sibling, though. I think if Albus was older, he'd me more instrumental in Aberforth's life and his life choices [20:51] <adamgryff> hi everyone! [20:51] <futureweasley> i.e. the goats [20:51] <Evreka> and how much different will you look in the span 130-170+ [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> hey adam! [20:51] <fawkes28> however, it does seem like albus has had a more adventurous life than aberforth which is why he may appear older because of all that he has been through [20:51] <fawkes28> hi adam [20:51] <nympheart> hi adam [20:51] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [20:51] <nympheart> hi jane [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> wb Jane [20:51] <fawkes28> hi jane [20:51] <Evreka> hi adam [20:51] <An_Eternal_Night> hi adam, wb jane [20:51] <futureweasley> hi Adam [20:51] <Expelliarmas> Here's the question, adamgryff-- How far apart in age do you think Albus and Aberforth are? Who was the older brother? [20:51] <JaneMarple9> sorry about the swift disappearance...computer probs! [20:51] <Evreka> Happy birthday Jane! [20:51] <Expelliarmas> hello, Jane [20:52] <JaneMarple9> I'd say Albus myself [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> Judging from my own relationship with my brother and the paths we followed (not that he's a black sheep), I would say Albus and Aberforth are pretty close in age. [20:52] <BlixDude> Maybe Albus is 3 minutes older than Aberfroth D= [20:52] <adamgryff> I would say that they are probably pretty close in age to each other [20:52] <Theoriser> happy birthday, Jane! [20:52] <JaneMarple9> :D They might be Twins for all we know [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> My brother and I are almost exactly opposite personality and talent-wise, yet we look a lot alike and are close in age. [20:52] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:52] <futureweasley> I think they were likely pretty close in age...if not twins [20:52] <BlixDude> That's what I think Jane [20:52] <futureweasley> hi Punky! [20:52] <fawkes28> hi punky [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> hi punky [20:52] <adamgryff> hi punky [20:52] <Punky> Hi [20:52] <Evreka> hi Punky! :) [20:53] <nympheart> I still think there's 5-10 year difference in their ages [20:53] <Expelliarmas> What kind of relationship do you think Albus and Aberforth had when they were younger? [20:53] <Punky> Im Not The Mod Punky Btw [20:53] <JaneMarple9> Albus seems the wiser brother though [20:53] <futureweasley> strained, I think [20:53] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [20:53] <futureweasley> hi Prongs [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi PP [20:53] <adamgryff> hi prongs [20:53] <Evreka> hi prongs [20:53] <Aislinn> we don't exactly get the impression that they are very close now, but it's hard to say what the relationship would have been like as boys [20:53] <Punky> Im Confused :( [20:53] <An_Eternal_Night> hi PP, hi Punky [20:53] <JaneMarple9> I'd say that it was similar like Regulus and Sirius [20:53] <nympheart> I think they got along and that they complimented each other [20:53] <Expelliarmas> hello, prongs, here's the question: What kind of relationship do you think Albus and Aberforth had when they were younger? [20:53] <ProngsPatronus> hey-la! [20:53] <Aislinn> hi prongs [20:53] <fawkes28> hi prongs [20:53] <Evreka> no idea [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> true Aislinn [20:54] <BlixDude> I think they should've been close [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> :-) [20:54] <MrMcGonagall> I think Albus set a rather high standard for his brother that caused Aberforth to rebel. [20:54] <BlixDude> Though Aberfroth gives the impression he might've been a bully when he was younger [20:54] <Punky> Im soooooo confused im going of this live chat thing :( [20:54] <Evreka> It depends on soooo much we don't know [20:54] <Punky> Cya L8t [20:54] <Expelliarmas> I think it might not have been very close--Albus doesnt even know if his brother can read [20:54] <adamgryff> I think they might have been close a one point and the drifted apart later down the road [20:54] <fawkes28> i think they were close but drifted apart slightly because of their differences [20:54] <harryfreak359> I don't know at all... [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> Albus would be a tough actto follow. Doing things with a wand teh examiner had never seen before [20:54] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Albus was the "good" brother white Aberforth was the "black sheep" [20:54] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Jane. [20:55] <nympheart> but they did communicate with each other, DD frequently visited the Hog's Head [20:55] <futureweasley> read and type, Punky...it's as simple as that! :lol: [20:55] <JaneMarple9> did Aberforth go to Hogwarts I wonder? [20:55] <sdcurtis> here's a thought what if Albus is the younger brother, but decided he wanted to be educated because he saw what became of his older brither? [20:55] <fawkes28> i always wonder if they played like normal brothers do - like the Weasleys [20:55] <BlixDude> I could see an older Aberfrother bullying Albus when they were young [20:55] <harryfreak359> Aw...Punky! [20:55] <Expelliarmas> I can see them having more of a relationship as they got older [20:55] <MrMcGonagall> I think they're probably not as estranged as we're led to believe. [20:55] <BlixDude> Dunno, Albus doesn't know if Aberfroth can read [20:55] <Aislinn> that's quite possible, Mr M - after all, we only know what Harry knows [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> maybe DD keeps an air of distance to protect Aberforth from becoming a target of DEs [20:56] <Evreka> exactly Aislinn [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> if indeed Albus were the elder [20:56] <An_Eternal_Night> and we know that sometimes Dumbledore walks to the Hog's Head for a drink [20:56] <nympheart> I think they're close enough that it doesn't matter what their abilities are [20:56] <sdcurtis> seriouslyy who would put the two together. [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the "can't read" is an act so people will talk in front of him in the bar and he can overhear [20:57] <Evreka> some clever readers did :lol: [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> What are DD's visits to the Hogs Head like if he doesn't even acknowledge his brother? I think he must go to the Hogs Head to see his brother on the sly. [20:57] <BlixDude> I don't think Dumbledore woyuld've said that oputright lie to Harry [20:57] <adamgryff> I think reguardless of what Aberforth did DD would have granted him a second chance after all it is his brother [20:57] <BlixDude> He was only speaking to Harry and Hagrid [20:57] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree MrM [20:57] <Evreka> Except it's said to a very sad Hagrid, in front of only the trio [20:57] <Expelliarmas> Do you think that Aberforth was ever jealous of his brother? [20:57] <BlixDude> And he didn't mention the Barman, he only mention his brother [20:57] <BlixDude> Yes [20:57] <nympheart> no, I don't think he's jealous [20:57] <fawkes28> i think he natually would be jealous of albus [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> who wouldn't be? [20:57] <JaneMarple9> I think Dumbledore was in communication with Aberforth, more than we know [20:58] <Evreka> Again, I don't have a clue.... [20:58] <futureweasley> I don't think that Aberforth wants Albus's life [20:58] <Expelliarmas> Abeforth also seems to dance to his own beat, I don't think he was jealous [20:58] <MrMcGonagall> I almost think Aberforth reached a point where he just refused to compete with his brother and followed his own path. [20:58] <adamgryff> I think there is an amout of jealously, yes [20:58] <nympheart> He seems to be the sort who doesn't compare himself to anyone else [20:58] <Evreka> :doh: there is sooo much we just don't know.... This post has been edited by Theoriser: Dec 3 2006, 05:31 PM |
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[20:58] <fawkes28> siblings get jealous of each other when a parent praises one too much and not the other
[20:58] <Evreka> make me feel dizzy [20:58] <BlixDude> I don't think he's Jealous anymore [20:58] <JaneMarple9> how about if Albus and Aberforth were like Petunia and Lily - one went to Hogwarts while the pther didn't? [20:58] <BlixDude> I think he came to terms with it a long time ago [20:58] <Evreka> You mean since Albus died? [20:59] <fawkes28> but i think the jealously was just trivial i don't think they ever had major problems [20:59] <BlixDude> No like sense they were much younger [20:59] <BlixDude> Well I don't see Aberfroth going to Hogwarts [20:59] <Evreka> Aberforth charmed goats ---> He's NOT a squib ---> He went to Hogwarts [20:59] <BlixDude> If Dumbledore wasn't sure he could read [20:59] <nympheart> I don't either Blix [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. I think they were just two very different brothers. They acknowledged their differences, but they got along together in their own way. [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> both rather independent. [20:59] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:59] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m [20:59] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Aberforth went for a few years and then dropped out [21:00] <Expelliarmas> Do you think they had any sisters or any other brothers? If yes, then where do you think they are and what do they do? [21:00] <BlixDude> If he charmed goats then wouldn't Dumbledore be sure he could read? [21:00] <JaneMarple9> why would anyone drop out of Hogwarts? :) [21:00] <harryfreak359> I don't think there are anyothers.. [21:00] <BlixDude> Just because he knows magic doesn't mean he went to Hogwarts [21:00] <nympheart> If they had any other siblings, I think they're deceased [21:00] <JaneMarple9> pretty special place [21:00] <fawkes28> 150 years is a long time...it would surprise me if they had other siblings who died [21:00] <adamgryff> I don't think there are in other siblings [21:00] <fawkes28> would not [21:00] <Aislinn> considering that Albus was 150, it is likely that any other siblings would be dead [21:00] *** TheAzkabanDietitian has joined #lounge [21:00] <Evreka> I'm sure Crabbe and Goyle can Charm goats but I'm not sure they can read... [21:00] <An_Eternal_Night> it's possible, but I really don't think there are any more, at least any other living siblings [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> actually, we do know from JKr that dumbledore is mainly self-taught [21:00] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps he was expelled? [21:00] <Theoriser> we would have seen them at his funeral if they were still alive [21:00] <Aislinn> hi TAD [21:00] <nympheart> hi TAD [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> hi TAD [21:00] <JaneMarple9> Hi Dietician [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> I would imagine the same is true for Aberforth as well [21:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hey everyone [21:00] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [21:00] <MrMcGonagall> I don't have the impression there are others. Jo has said that she doesn't really intend to introduce any new characters of significance. [21:01] <fawkes28> right, theoriser [21:01] <futureweasley> hi CD, TAD [21:01] <DumbleDebbie> good point Theo [21:01] <Theoriser> or if they existed at all [21:01] <adamgryff> hi cd [21:01] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> heyTAD [21:01] <Evreka> We also know he went to Hogwarts though, Prongs [21:01] <Expelliarmas> not new characters, MrM, but background info could be useful [21:01] <harryfreak359> Hey TAD and Carpe! [21:01] <Evreka> true Theoriser [21:01] <fawkes28> i think there may have been more siblings because many times during that period parents had many children [21:01] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe we'll find out Umbridge was DD's long-lost niece. [21:01] <BlixDude> I'm sure this book will ghave to be monster [21:01] <JaneMarple9> I'd love to know what Albus was like at Harry's age [21:01] <nympheart> lol MrM [21:02] <adamgryff> oh, no Mr. M [21:02] <harryfreak359> Mr.M...that's a horrible thought!!! [21:02] <sdcurtis> that's just mean [21:02] <JaneMarple9> did he go through the same experiences as Harry? [21:02] <MrMcGonagall> I am SO joking . .. .:) [21:02] <nympheart> I think if there's another sibling that's alive it's the cart-witch on the Hogwarts express [21:02] <BlixDude> I doubt anyone went through the same thing as Harry [21:02] <ProngsPatronus> well the NEWT-lady--what was her name? [21:02] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [21:02] <Evreka> let's hope not... [21:02] <JaneMarple9> :-o being related to Umbridge!! [21:02] <Expelliarmas> Albus comes from the Latin word which means white. Is there any significance to the meaning of his first name? [21:02] <DumbleDebbie> good guy :) [21:02] <nympheart> I think there is, definitely [21:02] <JaneMarple9> Well he seemed pure [21:02] <MrMcGonagall> Well, if white stands for purity and goodness, that sums up DD. [21:02] <JaneMarple9> yes good guy [21:02] <BlixDude> I heard that His name can also mean "WHite hat" [21:03] <adamgryff> yes, white is the symbold of purity and goodness [21:03] <ProngsPatronus> remembers examining him, so there is at least one person who is still alive who knows what he was like at Howarts! [21:03] <DumbleDebbie> like the old Westerns, the good guys wore the white hats [21:03] <TheAzkabanDietitian> he may be good at heart... it's a theory [21:03] <BlixDude> Which is a term for the main character of a story [21:03] <Evreka> Well unlike the Dark wizards he's all about the Light side... [21:03] <JaneMarple9> he didn't seen to have any faults [21:03] <sdcurtis> It's also a clue to us that out of everybody he can be trused [21:03] <fawkes28> white is also associated with alchemy [21:03] <nympheart> pure of heart, like Harry [21:03] <Aislinn> some people think that it ties into the White stage of alchemy [21:03] <JaneMarple9> everyone respected him...some more grudgingly than others [21:03] <BlixDude> Or him being the "White wizard" role we see so often in these types of stories [21:04] <JaneMarple9> even Voldie grudgingly respects Dumbledore [21:04] <fawkes28> dumbledore is one of the most pure characters in the series so it is fitting that his name means white [21:04] * DumbleDebbie knows nothing of alchemy, but finds the theories interesting [21:04] <Evreka> Exactly nympheart! Pure of heart like harry.... [21:04] <fawkes28> jo also has dumbledore have a long white beard [21:04] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps also his light-hearted attitude at times? I enjoy his sense of humor becuase at times it is unexptexted. "Alas...earwax" [21:04] <ProngsPatronus> well, in the colour scheme it can mean one of two things--that one has No colour--or that one has EVERY colour [21:04] <nympheart> movie-ism, fawkes, it's silver [21:04] <Aislinn> :lol: carpe [21:04] <DumbleDebbie> white is every color [21:04] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [21:05] <fawkes28> that is an interesting idea, carpe [21:05] <DumbleDebbie> black is the absence of color [21:05] <CarpeDiem> Good point Prongs [21:05] <Evreka> Hi, Carpe! [21:05] <TheAzkabanDietitian> They say that the older you become, the more colorful [21:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi dumbley [21:05] <fawkes28> hi dumbleydore [21:05] <nympheart> hi dumbley [21:05] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore comes from the Old English and means bumblebee. In an interview, Jo has said that she imagines Dumbledore walking around the castle humming to himself. Do you like his name? [21:05] <Aislinn> and every colour seems to fit Dumby - an embracer of all [21:05] <adamgryff> hi d18 [21:05] <DumbleDebbie> love it! [21:05] <ProngsPatronus> in Art, though, black has every colour--in science, it is the opposite [21:05] <dumbleydore18> hi guys, I would have been on earlier but I had chapter stuff to deal with and school stuff [21:05] <nympheart> yes, I think bumblebee fits him well [21:05] <An_Eternal_Night> I absolutely LOVE his name [21:05] <TheAzkabanDietitian> awww...yes [21:05] <Evreka> it fits :) [21:05] <sdcurtis> oh yes [21:05] <JaneMarple9> hi dumbley! it's "Your" chat today :) [21:05] <An_Eternal_Night> I wish it was mine! [21:05] <BlixDude> It's a nice name [21:05] <Evreka> lol Jane [21:05] <JaneMarple9> Yes his name seems to fit nicely [21:05] <nympheart> and somehow, I wasn't surprised when I found that out [21:06] <DumbleDebbie> LOL PP, I'm a scientist :) [21:06] <harryfreak359> I love his name, its perfect [21:06] <Evreka> it is [21:06] <MrMcGonagall> I like it. I love DD's more "abstracted" moments in the series when it seems like he's not paying attention but is really pondering great things. [21:06] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [21:06] <adamgryff> I love the idea of a bumble bee buzzing around, sees to fit his personality [21:06] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryffinclaw [21:06] <Aislinn> yes, me too Mr M [21:06] <nympheart> hi gryffin [21:06] <adamgryff> hi gryffinclaw [21:06] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hey gryff [21:06] <CarpeDiem> I truly enjoy the mental image of DD quietly humming..."Flight of the Bumblebee" would be great! [21:06] <Aislinn> hi gryff [21:06] <ProngsPatronus> and DumbleDebbie, I am an artist! LOL [21:06] <Expelliarmas> Bees are known for being industrious, but do they symbolize intelligence or education? [21:06] <harryfreak359> lol Carpe... [21:06] <nympheart> lol Carpe [21:06] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Guys! What's the question were on? [21:07] <Aislinn> that's an ambitious hum, carpe! [21:07] <fawkes28> he does get lost in his own thoughts [21:07] <DumbleDebbie> I like it as my name comes from the Hebrew for bee as well [21:07] <dumbleydore18> I like dumbledore's name. It brings personality to him. I just thought of this too. Bumblebees don't usually bother you until they get really angered...Dumbledore is nice and patient until something bugs him or until someone does something that he doesn't like. [21:07] <DumbleDebbie> cool PP [21:07] <futureweasley> it made everyone thing that DD was going to pull a Gandolf the white [21:07] <Expelliarmas> Gryffinclaw, here's the question-- Dumbledore comes from the Old English and means bumblebee. In an interview, Jo has said that she imagines Dumbledore walking around the castle humming to himself. Do you like his name? [21:07] <Aislinn> good point dumbleydore [21:07] <fawkes28> that is a nice thought, dumbleydore [21:07] <Gryffinclaw> Thanks [21:07] <BlixDude> How do I sent you a question, Exp? [21:07] <JaneMarple9> great comparison Dumbley! :clap: [21:07] *** MidnightPhoenix has joined #lounge [21:07] <Evreka> In Sweden we have a saying "angry like a bee" I don't think that's an intended connection, but I do think he's formidable when mad [21:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi midnight [21:08] <Expelliarmas> send me a PM, Blix [21:08] <harryfreak359> Hey Midnight [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> very Evreka [21:08] <MidnightPhoenix> Hi [21:08] <BlixDude> Err How? xD [21:08] <sdcurtis> He's scaryy when he get's mad [21:08] <fawkes28> hi midnight [21:08] <ProngsPatronus> another thing about bees is that they use dance as communication [21:08] <MrMcGonagall> "Bee in your bonnet, Potter?" No, just Dumbledore. [21:08] <JaneMarple9> no, not a good idea how annoy Dumbledore [21:08] <Expelliarmas> Do you think that “Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore” is his birth name or do you think he added these names later in life? [21:08] <ProngsPatronus> movement, if you will [21:08] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> LOL PP, DD doing a jig to send a secret message [21:08] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol [21:08] <JaneMarple9> he's a great wizard [21:08] <BlixDude> Birth name [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [21:08] <nympheart> I can picture that as his birth name [21:08] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it's his birth name [21:08] <TheAzkabanDietitian> birth name [21:08] <Gryffinclaw> Birth Name [21:08] <CarpeDiem> Bumblebees are also famous for giving thier life with thier sting to protect their "hive" [21:08] <nympheart> He's quirky, so's [21:08] <sdcurtis> Birthname [21:08] <Aislinn> I think it is his birth name as well [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> it seems he accumulated some over time [21:09] <Evreka> at baptised time [21:09] <adamgryff> I think it was a birth name [21:09] <JaneMarple9> I can see that as his full birth name [21:09] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think his parents were a bit odd like him [21:09] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was his birth name. [21:09] <fawkes28> i would like to think he added a name or two later on [21:09] <Expelliarmas> I can't see DD adding names to himself [21:09] <nympheart> I agree TAD [21:09] <JaneMarple9> I don't think he "Adopted" it as Voldie did [21:09] <DumbleDebbie> unless whomever named him was a Seer [21:09] <Evreka> me neither [21:09] <futureweasley> I like that Carpe...that's awesome, and something I had never thought of [21:09] <nympheart> I agree expie, it's a bit big-headed [21:09] <Evreka> brb [21:09] <sdcurtis> My sister has a friend who has 5 middle names so I can see that as his full name [21:09] <Aislinn> it makes me wonder if Aberforth has a bunch more names [21:09] <fawkes28> that is certainly a lot of names for one person though [21:09] <JaneMarple9> oooo like Trelawney's great great great Grandmother? :) [21:09] <MrMcGonagall> Those Victorians sometimes had a penchant for multiplying names. That custom didn't really die at christenings until well into the 20th century. [21:09] <Expelliarmas> I must say, I don't like him having "Percival" for a name ... [21:09] <BlixDude> Future, I don't [21:10] <Gryffinclaw> Carpe thats a really good idea [21:10] <fawkes28> interesting thought, aislinn [21:10] <dumbleydore18> I Just thought of something again!!!!!!! Okay. What if the DUmbeldore we know is not dumbledore? But the real dumbledore, to protect himself with disguises is actually aberforth? [21:10] <nympheart> why expie? [21:10] <ProngsPatronus> Debbie, I was thinking more of the patronuses--which involve movement, as his idea [21:10] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm Aberforth having another name interesting [21:10] <DumbleDebbie> interesing Mr M, so it's from his very old age, neat [21:10] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I'm surprised that Dumbledore would have a name so close to one of the Weasley children [21:10] <Gryffinclaw> Either way dumbleydore18 DD's dead [21:10] <DumbleDebbie> neat PP! [21:10] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps he has Percival, to show that the present did Percival will come good? [21:11] <nympheart> Percival was one of the Knights of the Round Table who found the Grail [21:11] <MrMcGonagall> What interests me most is not the number but the bizarre combination of origins of his names. [21:11] <Gryffinclaw> How would DD know Percy will come good? [21:11] <JaneMarple9> Brian seems a very "Mugglish" name though [21:11] <DumbleDebbie> Brian is very important in Irish lore [21:11] <TheAzkabanDietitian> exactly... it's very common, like Tom [21:11] <fawkes28> and then you have a plain name like brian thrown into the mix [21:11] <DumbleDebbie> as in Brian Boru [21:11] <Expelliarmas> In the interview with Melissa and Emerson in July 2005, Jo says about Dumbledore, “I see him primarily as someone who would be self-taught. However, he in his time had access to superb teachers at Hogwarts, so he was educated in the same way that everyone else is educated.” Why do you think he got this motivation to teach himself? [21:12] <JaneMarple9> oooo Brian means Strong! [21:12] <JaneMarple9> thats interesting [21:12] <DumbleDebbie> I think that's just in intrinsic part of his personality [21:12] <MrMcGonagall> Oddly, it is the most UK name I can think of. It hits almost every kingdom - Wales, Scotland, England, N. Ireland. [21:12] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [21:12] <nympheart> I think he was one of those who felt a need to learn as much as he can [21:12] <fawkes28> i think some people have this inner strength that motivates them [21:12] <dumbleydore18> No no no no Gryffinclaw...The Dumbeldore we know as being dumbledore is actually Aberforth, but "Dumbledore" is the bart tender. The real dumbledore is disguising himself to protect himself from Voldy so he won't get killed. [21:12] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [21:12] <ProngsPatronus> because he had the unquenchable thirst for knowledge [21:12] <JaneMarple9> to help the other students learn to protect themselves [21:12] <DumbleDebbie> Albus is dead dumbley [21:13] <Expelliarmas> He might have known Hogwarts could only take him so far and wanted to know more. Hmmm, Tom Riddle also went off and acquired more knowledge [21:13] <fawkes28> it always goes back to the nature versus nuture argument...i think DD just had something in him that motivated him [21:13] <DumbleDebbie> wb future [21:13] <Aislinn> when she said this, I got the impression she meant that he continued to learn on his own after school [21:13] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [21:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi cp! [21:13] <fawkes28> he has a passion within him that he needed to let out [21:13] <MrMcGonagall> I think the passing on of knowledge is something very important to Albus. [21:13] <JaneMarple9> perhaps he had a foreshadowing of the rising of Voldie and wanted to help students protect themselves [21:13] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [21:13] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [21:13] <JaneMarple9> ((((Cloudpic)))) [21:13] <nympheart> sort of like Einstein, he wanted to know how everything went together [21:13] <adamgryff> hi cloudpic [21:13] <TheAzkabanDietitian> JKR admitting that Dumbledore was self-taught makes me think he came from a muggle household in a way... [21:13] <nympheart> hi cloudpic [21:13] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cloudpic [21:13] <MidnightPhoenix> hi [21:13] <sdcurtis> Pehapes he felt that Hogwarts wasn't satisfyying enough an wanted to learn more of the obscure/ancient magic that isn't taught [21:14] <harryfreak359> hi Cloudpic [21:14] <cloudpic> hi, all! off to read backchat... [21:14] <futureweasley> blix, did you get that last message? [21:14] <MrMcGonagall> Aware of the great power and potential of magic, I think Albus wants young wizards to learn how to use it wisely and well. [21:14] <BlixDude> Yes [21:14] <BlixDude> I figured it out though [21:14] <futureweasley> ok [21:14] <Expelliarmas> DD would have wanted more of his educaiton; similar to Hermione who takes what the teachers give her and then seeks deeper understanding [21:14] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Albus Dumbledore is Muggle-born [21:14] <CarpeDiem> Expell - that was my thought ass well. [21:14] <fawkes28> i think he most of his motivation comes from within however, i still wonder if he had a mentor like figure to help his passion for learner be pushed even further to the limits [21:15] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Does she though? She seems to bollow the books instructions to a T... not very adventuresome [21:15] <TheAzkabanDietitian> imo [21:15] <DumbleDebbie> he worked with Flamel ast some point fawkes [21:15] <sdcurtis> Perhaps he apprentinced with Nicholas Flammel [21:15] <MrMcGonagall> He's the ideal student - teachable, but with natural aptitude. [21:15] <An_Eternal_Night> also similar to Snape who doesn't just go with what the book says, he experiments to find something better [21:15] <JaneMarple9> no Albus isn't Muggle born [21:15] <dumbleydore18> Well we know that Dumbledore is quite eccentric. Maybe he didn't like the way things were done after he left Hogwarts, so he became a teacher. Maybe he is the influence of all his teachers put into one. [21:15] <nympheart> I agree TAD, it doesn't normally occur to her not to follow the guidlines [21:15] <Expelliarmas> TAD, we know Hermione goes to the library to further explore what the teachers lecture about in class [21:15] <fawkes28> true, i am sure that flamel encouraged him and fed his need to learn even more [21:15] <JaneMarple9> I don't think so anyway [21:16] <fawkes28> i would love all students like DD in my classroom, mr. m :) [21:16] <MrMcGonagall> Teachers talk about the need to teach critical thinking skills - Albus has them naturally and in spades. [21:16] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore tells McGonagall that he would trust Hagrid with his life. What do you think of Dumbledore and Hagrid’s relationship? Is there more to their relationship than we know? [21:16] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Yes, but I just don't see Hermione as someone who experiments the way Albus did is all... [21:16] <ProngsPatronus> I think that DD wanted to know the spirit of magic as much as the letter of magic [21:16] <JaneMarple9> Hagrid worships Dumbledore [21:16] <Theoriser> they must have known each other for a long time [21:16] <MrMcGonagall> Very deep and profound trust. [21:16] <sdcurtis> I thnk Dumbledore was a father for Hagird after his father died [21:16] <nympheart> I think DD trusts people because he can see parts of himself in them [21:16] <JaneMarple9> or...correction. He did [21:16] <BlixDude> I think Dumbledore was the only person Hagrid had for a long time [21:16] <adamgryff> I think Hagrid looks to DD as his father and would never want to let DD down [21:16] <Evreka> That's a VERY interesting question! [21:16] <DumbleDebbie> I think DD tutuored Hagrid after he was expelled [21:16] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid saw DD as a father figure [21:17] <An_Eternal_Night> it is such a great relationship [21:17] <JaneMarple9> Yes, he's Hagrid's father figure [21:17] <Evreka> I can understand why Hagrid loved Dumbledore [21:17] <fawkes28> he was a father figure to hagrid [21:17] <DumbleDebbie> I think that's how Hagrid knows the magic he does know [21:17] <futureweasley> Hagrid sees him as a mentor and a friend [21:17] <BlixDude> I don't [21:17] <Aislinn> Hagrid is almost blind in his loyalty to his friends, and DD does seem to have become a father figure for him [21:17] <Evreka> but why did Albus trust him like that? [21:17] <fawkes28> there are so many people that dumbledore has taught i wonder why he took hagrid under his wing [21:17] <BlixDude> I don't think Albus snuck out to teach Hagrid or something like that [21:17] <futureweasley> He knew that Tom was fishy [21:17] <Evreka> Not that I think its wrong of him [21:17] <JaneMarple9> and Dumbledore stood up for Hagrid...but can you stand up for Hagrid? :D [21:17] <Aislinn> because he knew he could always count on him evreka [21:17] <Gryffinclaw> No. Hagrid loved DD, DD pitied (in a good way) Hagrid and grew to love him [21:17] <ProngsPatronus> because he knew who the Heir of Slytherin really was [21:17] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think they're loyalty and faith in one another is something that is what it is because it has been built upon for many years.. very endearing [21:17] <dumbleydore18> There is most definately something we don't know. The fact that Dumbledore let Hagrid keep his wand, why would he do this? Doesn't the MoM take the wands after breaking them? Did Dumbledore know that Hagrid sitll had his wand? [21:17] <BlixDude> I think Hagrid has a 3rd year knowladge and maybe a bit from his own learnings [21:18] <cloudpic> That innocence of Hagrid's... and his complete faith and trust in the "great man" probably gives Dumbledore a small taste of waht it would have been like to have his own child [21:18] <DumbleDebbie> I do Blix. I think DD taught Hagrid almost everything magical he knows [21:18] <JaneMarple9> Oh he knew Tom was going to be trouble [21:18] <BlixDude> Hagrid doesn't know much at all though lol [21:18] <Evreka> possibly Debbie [21:18] <BlixDude> I think he learned what he does know on his own [21:18] <JaneMarple9> hmmm perhaps so Debbie [21:18] <DumbleDebbie> I think DD knew about the umbrella. I think he tutuored Hagrid in the years after he was expelled [21:18] <BlixDude> Or from conversations in TLC perhaps [21:18] <nympheart> I agree Debbie [21:18] <cloudpic> It must have been frustrating for Dumbledore to know Hagrid was innocent, but to be unable to prove it. [21:18] <JaneMarple9> Ah put perhaps Hagrid knows a lot more than he shows [21:18] <ProngsPatronus> there are all kinds of knowledge, Blix [21:19] <BlixDude> Oh well yes he knows about the umbrella [21:19] <BlixDude> I'm not calling Hagrid stupid [21:19] <Expelliarmas> DD may have suggested the umbrella in a round about sort of way [21:19] <Evreka> He must have, he's authorized Hagrid using magic from time to time before end of COS [21:19] <JaneMarple9> Oh he knew all about the umbrella [21:19] <DumbleDebbie> right cp, and teaching him on the side would be a way of partially righting that wrong [21:19] <fawkes28> there are just so many students and many have lives that aren't the best but he decided to keep hagrid on [21:19] <BlixDude> I mBut he's not brilliant spellwise [21:19] <An_Eternal_Night> I can see that Expie [21:19] <nympheart> lol, I can see that expie [21:19] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Really? I'm not so sure Dumbledore taught Hagrid that much, or if he did, he didn't soak it up so well [21:19] <BlixDude> I don't see DD teaching Hagrid with a broken wand either [21:19] <cloudpic> I think Hagrid is far wiser than he's credited with... but his wide-eyed innocence and unsophsticated approach to life makes him appear "simple." [21:19] <DumbleDebbie> I can totally see that Expie [21:20] <sdcurtis> Dumbledore beleived in Hagrid when his propensity to have dangerous animals around and his being part giant were two strikes against him when the CoS opened the first time [21:20] <dumbleydore18> I want to know how he got the wand back after it being broken? Did DD confiscate it from the MoM it seemed then that he was in familiarity with the MoM. [21:20] <MrMcGonagall> DD appreciates loyalty, and Hagrid is the most loyal person I could ever imagine. [21:20] <cloudpic> Don't you suppose any "teaching" done for Hagrid was sort of sideways? [21:20] <Aislinn> yes, exactly Mr M [21:20] <JaneMarple9> Oh Dumbledore has always believed in Hagrid [21:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M [21:20] <JaneMarple9> he appreciates Hagrids loyality [21:20] <Expelliarmas> I think DD values loyalty above almost anything else, actually [21:20] <fawkes28> dumbledore is good at reading people [21:20] <BlixDude> Mr M isn't loyalty a Hufflepuff quality [21:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think he just appreciates Hagrid [21:20] <sdcurtis> What if it was moaning Myrtle's wand they snapped instead of Hagrids and that's why yit's in the umbrella [21:20] <DumbleDebbie> lol, cp, can't you see it? [21:20] <cloudpic> Sort of, here hold this Hagrid... now, Charles, notice how I hold my wand and say these words... there's the spell. Thanks for holding that Hagrid. [21:20] <Evreka> Yeah but knowing he wasn't guilty for Myrtles death is not the same as trusting him with his life [21:21] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Dumbledore went to tell Hagrid he was going to Hogwarts, just as he did with Tom? [21:21] <Evreka> so I think there's more to it [21:21] <futureweasley> loyalty is Hufflepuff...but I don't think that DD PRIZES loyalty above all virtues [21:21] <DumbleDebbie> love it cp! [21:21] <BlixDude> I can see that [21:21] <BlixDude> Me either [21:21] <Expelliarmas> there would be no need fora personal visit to Hagrid, Jane; he had his father alive at that time [21:21] <Evreka> Exactly Expie [21:21] <JaneMarple9> I wonder why Hagrid was in Gryffindor? [21:21] <Theoriser> it doesn't have to be confined to just one house, people can have traits of other houses, just not so strong [21:21] <BlixDude> Though Hagrid was a special case [21:22] <Expelliarmas> What is the relationship between McGonagall and Dumbledore? [21:22] <DumbleDebbie> Hagrid would walk through h--- for a friend [21:22] <Aislinn> I think that it is one of mutual respect [21:22] <nympheart> I think they're a great team [21:22] <MrMcGonagall> Don't you start shipping FW! :) [21:22] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Hargrid's Dad was busy! [21:22] <Evreka> He's courageous and chivalry enough by far I think [21:22] <cloudpic> Respectful colleagues... and friends [21:22] <futureweasley> hey now!! [21:22] <BlixDude> Strickly Headmast/Deputee I'd say [21:22] <cloudpic> McG & Dumbledore [21:22] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Like Hagrid I think... they are friends [21:22] <ProngsPatronus> good friends and colleges, fellow fighters for the Good [21:22] <BlixDude> Friends too [21:22] <Evreka> Very good friends [21:22] <DumbleDebbie> they do oftentimes act like an old married couple [21:22] <futureweasley> I think they found companionship very late in life [21:22] <Evreka> Exactly Prongs [21:22] <BlixDude> McGonnagal seems to be a little "in awe" when they're alone though [21:22] <cloudpic> They share too many "inside" jokes even in Book 1 to be distant [21:22] <An_Eternal_Night> McGonagall trusts Dumbledore who trusts Hagrid, so I'd say she trusts him almost as much as Dumbledore [21:22] <futureweasley> I think that there is mutual respect and love...but not necessarily "romantic" love [21:22] <Expelliarmas> Could DD have been MCG's transfiguration teacher? [21:23] *** MidnightPhoenix left #lounge [] [21:23] <JaneMarple9> hmmm a friendship buld on mutral respect [21:23] <DumbleDebbie> like when he starts the hag, leprechaun joke and McG gets him back on a serious track [21:23] <fawkes28> i think she understands dumbledore more than most people do [21:23] <BlixDude> "Inside jokes"? ehhh [21:23] <Evreka> agree fw [21:23] <MrMcGonagall> I think so, Expie. [21:23] <CarpeDiem> I'd agree with that FW [21:23] <cloudpic> Only in front of students are they formal... even sometimes (Yule Ball) not then! [21:23] <nympheart> I think he was expie [21:23] <TheAzkabanDietitian> ooh, that's a good thought expie... Very possible [21:23] <ProngsPatronus> it is a platonic, proper relationship, I believe [21:23] <cloudpic> You know, like the earmuffs [21:23] <BlixDude> they just seem like collegues who've known eachother for 40 years [21:23] <fawkes28> he probably was her teacher [21:23] <nympheart> I agree PP [21:23] <DumbleDebbie> they have known each other for 60 or so years [21:23] <fawkes28> and he respects her greatly [21:23] <DumbleDebbie> DD was her transfiguration professor [21:23] <MrMcGonagall> Like Hagrid, McG is fiercely loyal to DD, with greater magical ability to boot. [21:23] <JaneMarple9> I think McGonagall woships Dumbledore from afar, but doesn't show it as much as Hagrid [21:23] <DumbleDebbie> in the late 30's early 40's [21:23] <cloudpic> And he said he wasn't surprised to find her waiting at Privet Dr. in Book 1 [21:23] <Expelliarmas> or longer, DumbleDebbie [21:24] <Evreka> that goes both ways fawkes [21:24] <fawkes28> yes, it does, evreka [21:24] <ProngsPatronus> expie, she is a contemporary of LV--so the answer would be yes [21:24] <dumbleydore18> That is really interesting to say fawkes...I like that idea. Isn't McG around the same age as DD though? Wizards to live a long time. [21:24] <JaneMarple9> but there was no "love Interest" between them I don't think [21:24] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [21:24] <MrMcGonagall> I think in a way, McG doesn't "owe" DD quite as much, which makes a difference. [21:24] <DumbleDebbie> true Expie, at least 60 years [21:24] <Expelliarmas> Then he's known McG for a very long time, Prongs [21:24] <futureweasley> they are both top-notch educators, and "smarter than the average bear"..I'm sure that finding a level of discussion that satisfies them intellectually is hard to find...they likely fill that void for each other [21:24] <fawkes28> she is about 70 [21:24] <cloudpic> It's possible to eventually be great friends with someone who was once your teacher, but it does take years if it's mature [21:24] <BlixDude> I'de say she's Dumbledore's closest friend but still not an equal at all [21:24] <Aislinn> she is in her 70's [21:24] <Evreka> brb [21:24] <cloudpic> And both in the Order [21:25] <TheAzkabanDietitian> didn't JKR herself say that weren't equals... [21:25] <fawkes28> exactly, future [21:25] <Aislinn> they both excel at Transfiguration as well [21:25] <futureweasley> they aren't equal...but they are both "up there" [21:25] <BlixDude> Right, TAD [21:25] <Expelliarmas> I don't think DD has an equal, actually [21:25] <ProngsPatronus> she is two years older than the dark lord [21:25] <MrMcGonagall> Thinking of DD and McG sitting around discussing Transubstantial Transfiguration makes me dizzy. [21:25] <DumbleDebbie> they are, at least, very dear, very old friends IMO [21:25] <BlixDude> DD Doesn't have an equal [21:25] *** sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [21:25] <dumbleydore18> and DD was about 150 + or - some years when he died....so I guess DD could have been McG's teacher. [21:25] <TheAzkabanDietitian> oh, that's interesting PP [21:25] <BlixDude> Except, maybe Voldemort [21:25] <BlixDude> But that's different [21:25] <fawkes28> dumbledore will never really have an equal but she does a good job of fulfilling his intellectual side [21:25] <cloudpic> I suspect they laugh over silly classroom stories... Dumbledore and McGonagall both share a sense of humor and a willingness to blink at the rules [21:25] <JaneMarple9> I can see Dumble teaching MCGonagall at school [21:25] <cloudpic> Remember McG. [21:26] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Does she know Tom Riddle is LV? [21:26] <BlixDude> DD did teach McGonnagal [21:26] <Expelliarmas> Has Dumbledore ever been married? [21:26] <nympheart> I think she does TAD [21:26] <JaneMarple9> I think she does [21:26] <cloudpic> Was the one who told Peeves how to loosen the chandelaere (man I cann't spell) [21:26] <futureweasley> yes [21:26] <BlixDude> He was transfiguration teacheer before she was [21:26] <JaneMarple9> noooooo! [21:26] <DumbleDebbie> I think that is very likely [21:26] <nympheart> I don't think he ever was [21:26] <Aislinn> do you think so, cloudpic - McG seems more a stickler for rules than DD [21:26] <Theoriser> I don't think he was [21:26] <dumbleydore18> I think DD would have been married. [21:26] <TheAzkabanDietitian> No, I don't think so [21:26] <DumbleDebbie> and I think his family was killed by Grindelwald [21:26] <DumbleDebbie> used as bait to get to DD [21:26] <cloudpic> Yes, more so... as she's currently active in the classroom [21:26] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he was. He seems the bachelor professor type. [21:26] <adamgryff> gtg see you later [21:27] <DumbleDebbie> bye adam [21:27] <nympheart> I agree MrM [21:27] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [21:27] <JaneMarple9> Can't see Dumbledore married...he's "married" to Hogwarts [21:27] <dumbleydore18> I don't see any reason why he couldn't have been. Maybe he was married to a muggle, but never had kids. [21:27] <Theoriser> I really can't imagine him being married [21:27] <Aislinn> bye adam [21:27] <nympheart> bye adam [21:27] <Theoriser> bye adam [21:27] <An_Eternal_Night> I think he has [21:27] <Expelliarmas> bye adam [21:27] <ProngsPatronus> no, I do not think DD was married--or he would have recognised his attachment to Harry for what it was [21:27] <fawkes28> he does seem like that type doesn't he, mr. m [21:27] <DumbleDebbie> now Jane, but he's 150 [21:27] <cloudpic> But not rigid... remember her discovering Harry as seeker [21:27] <JaneMarple9> bye Adam [21:27] <BlixDude> Yeah, maybe [21:27] <JaneMarple9> hmm still can't see a Mrs Dumbledore [21:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I see Dumbledore as someone who loves everyone equally... though Harry is arguable [21:27] <DumbleDebbie> I can see him becoming how he is now as a reaction to losing his family decades ago and feeling responsible for thier deaths [21:27] <CarpeDiem> I don't think he's ever been married. Even before LV, I think he's lived a dangerous and lonely lifestyle. I think his friends are all the companionship that he would need. [21:27] <JaneMarple9> unless she is the Grey Lady? [21:28] <BlixDude> she is rigid [21:28] <cloudpic> To be a fair teacher, which she is, she must enforce the rules and not play favorites (like someone we know) [21:28] <nympheart> I agree TAD, he loves people in general too much to be specific [21:28] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Oh that would be horrible if his deceased wife was a ghost [21:28] <BlixDude> Renmember she seemed like she had never one let her hair down in any sense? [21:28] <futureweasley> hence the past memories from the horcrux pensieve thingee [21:28] <Evreka> back [21:28] <Aislinn> that's a good point carpe [21:28] <ProngsPatronus> DD loves in a detached way--philius [21:28] <cloudpic> this joyful, playful man is harboring a secret guilt for deaths? [21:28] <DumbleDebbie> like when he distanced himself from Harry to keep Voldy from using Harry to get to him [21:28] <JaneMarple9> initails S.S. Cloudpic? ;-) [21:28] <dumbleydore18> There is the thing between Aberforth and Albus though, life long sibling rivalry in adult years. Maybe DD or AB liked each other's girlfriends and one ended up marrying the other's girlfriends and they never forgave each other. This is silly i know, but they haven't spoken in years. Or atleast iI think [21:28] <cloudpic> LOL [21:29] <DumbleDebbie> yes cp, and it was expressed in the cave [21:29] <Evreka> I think it's likely [21:29] <fawkes28> i think DD would be ok without a wife [21:29] <Expelliarmas> DD strikes me as the type to be a bit aloof emotionally; marriage might not have suited him [21:29] <DumbleDebbie> dd's guilt [21:29] <fawkes28> he puts his heart and soul into hogwarts and teaching [21:29] <JaneMarple9> agreed, Dumbledore doesn't suit marraige for me [21:29] <cloudpic> I don't think Albus and Aberforth were on the "outs".... the jokes about the goat and not reading sound more like typical brother comments [21:29] <futureweasley> DD would have been fine without a wife but he LOVES kids...I think he needed to be a dad [21:29] <Evreka> they do speak, he knows of things that happens in Hog's head [21:29] <JaneMarple9> exactly Fawkes...couldn't have put it better [21:29] <DumbleDebbie> but he didn't start teachign at Hogwarts until he was nearly 100 years old [21:30] <Evreka> agree fw [21:30] <cloudpic> In HBP he implies that he spends time in the pub [21:30] <fawkes28> i don't think he would have been able to find a wife would he could feel was an equal [21:30] <BlixDude> Maybe he married a muggle [21:30] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [21:30] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol cp... but he's "working"... [21:30] <cloudpic> And they're in the Order together... [21:30] <DumbleDebbie> a lot could have happened between him leaving schoool and starting teaching at age 100 [21:30] <fawkes28> he is just on a completely different level [21:30] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know he worked with Flamel for a time [21:30] <futureweasley> right Cloudpic...something that a lonely man would do [21:30] <Expelliarmas> Albus is such a powerful wizard, but we haven’t seen Aberforth do magic. Do you think that he can do magic? [21:30] <JaneMarple9> perhaps he has a drinking problem like Trelawney? :) [21:30] <TheAzkabanDietitian> yes [21:30] <nympheart> yup, he charmed goats [21:30] <futureweasley> I think he's a squib [21:30] <BlixDude> Charms on goats... [21:30] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he charmed goats [21:30] <Evreka> yes, we know he can charm goats [21:30] <An_Eternal_Night> "inappropriate charms on a goat", so yes [21:31] <cloudpic> Yes.... how could he be active in the Order if he's a squib? [21:31] <ProngsPatronus> as wizards live longer than humans, i bet one has to wait for a position at Hogwarts for a loooong time! [21:31] <dumbleydore18> DumbleDebbie....where is that info from? the 100 years thing? If DD taught McG she would have been 20, 3 years older of "becoming of age" [21:31] <Aislinn> he was supposedly prosecuted for inappropriate charms on a goat - so that is magic [21:31] <DumbleDebbie> cp, Mrs Figg is [21:31] <JaneMarple9> Yes I think Aberforth will be the one who performs magic later in life [21:31] <Evreka> mrs Figg is [21:31] <Expelliarmas> Mrs. Figg is active in the order, she's a squib though [21:31] <CarpeDiem> CP, there are squibs in the order :) [21:31] <fawkes28> maybe he did magic in the past and the war with grindelwald pushed him away from magic [21:31] <futureweasley> well, you don't think that he could have been practicing his "kwikspells" and accidently hit the goats? [21:31] <cloudpic> Aberforth is just on a different track than Albus [21:31] <BlixDude> no.. he has performed magic already [21:31] <DumbleDebbie> Lexicon dumbly, he was born around 1840 and started teaching around 1938 or so [21:31] <Aislinn> I think he already has performed magic, and may still do so [21:31] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think he can. He has nothing like his brother's talent, but I think he would be a useful spy for the Order. [21:31] <BlixDude> Charms on goats [21:31] <Expelliarmas> Don't think you need magical abilities to be in the order [21:31] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, CD, thanks! [21:31] <Evreka> me too aislinn [21:31] <fawkes28> i think something made him want to avoid magic [21:32] <dumbleydore18> Carpe who are the squibs for a refresher? [21:32] <Expelliarmas> as a barman with big ears and drunk patrons-he'd be a great source of info [21:32] <Evreka> Mrs Figg [21:32] <futureweasley> Mrs. Figg [21:32] <cloudpic> and? [21:32] <futureweasley> Mrs. Figg [21:32] <futureweasley> lol [21:32] <An_Eternal_Night> lol [21:32] <DumbleDebbie> lol fw [21:32] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Filch [21:32] <JaneMarple9> :D [21:32] <futureweasley> we don't know that Filch is in the Order [21:32] <An_Eternal_Night> Filch in the order? [21:32] <BlixDude> Fawkes what are you talking about.. he performed illegal charms on goats [21:32] <JaneMarple9> Filch in the order...I don't think so [21:32] <cloudpic> Filch in the Order.... nahh [21:32] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think so [21:32] <TheAzkabanDietitian> He's a good guy... can't you tell? [21:32] <JaneMarple9> :D :D [21:33] <cloudpic> That'd be a surprise! [21:33] <Evreka> if he's in the Order I'll fall off my chair reading it :p [21:33] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, he hangs aroudn with that gem of a potionsn prof ;) [21:33] <fawkes28> i think he just takes a back seat to magic [21:33] <Expelliarmas> How did Aberforth come to run the Hog’s Head? [21:33] <futureweasley> he, I think, performed ACCIDENTAL magic on the goats [21:33] <JaneMarple9> Be a shock if he was in the order [21:33] <fawkes28> and goes about his own business [21:33] <BlixDude> Family owned bar [21:33] <Aislinn> I don't think that we know enough about Aberforth to really know what his skill with magic is [21:33] * cloudpic provides Evreka with a cushion... just in case. [21:33] <BlixDude> albus didn't want in on that [21:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's a useful contact - able to move among the less desirable elements of wizarding society. [21:33] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Left to him in a will [21:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [21:33] <JaneMarple9> I can see we all love Filch too then! [21:33] <nympheart> I think Albus set it up for him [21:33] <DumbleDebbie> gambling [21:33] <dumbleydore18> I don't think Mrs. Figg or Filch are in the order necesarilly (can't spell this word!!!) they are just helpers. My reasoning for this is because Mr. Filch doesn't know everything magical around the castle [21:33] <Evreka> your guess is as good as mine :) [21:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think you may be right, nympheart. [21:33] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it was in the mother's family [21:33] <fawkes28> i think so too, nympheart [21:33] <Aislinn> I think it suits his "free spirit" personality [21:34] <DumbleDebbie> Mrs. Figg is [21:34] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Dumbledore arranged Aberforth to have the job [21:34] <Evreka> could have been Prongs [21:34] <fawkes28> i think albus wanted him to be close to hogwarts [21:34] <JaneMarple9> pulled a few strings [21:34] <Expelliarmas> Folks, this is the pending question: How did Aberforth come to run the Hog’s Head? [21:34] <Evreka> but we don't even know that he owns it [21:34] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps Albus purchased or aquired it and has used it to keep Aberforth close to him. [21:34] <Evreka> do we? [21:34] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes agreed [21:34] <An_Eternal_Night> good idea Jane [21:34] <TheAzkabanDietitian> It would be interesting if it were a tavern passed down through the family [21:34] <JaneMarple9> Albus arranged it! [21:34] <ProngsPatronus> running a service-based industry is not free-spirited [21:34] <Evreka> Quite possible CD [21:34] <BlixDude> I think it's always been family owned [21:34] <harryfreak359> Hmmm...no idea. [21:34] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he won it gambling [21:34] <ProngsPatronus> it is a ball and chain [21:34] <Expelliarmas> you can be a manager without owning the bar [21:34] <Evreka> lol [21:34] <harryfreak359> Hmm...possibly carpe [21:35] <DumbleDebbie> good question Evreka [21:35] <futureweasley> sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name... [21:35] <JaneMarple9> no I can't see Aberforth being a Ludo Bagman [21:35] <DumbleDebbie> LOL fw [21:35] <futureweasley> and they're always glad you came [21:35] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow it seems like the ideal sort of occupation for someone of Aberforth's propensities. [21:35] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol fw [21:35] <An_Eternal_Night> well, it might support the Honeydukes parents theory [21:35] <DumbleDebbie> "Albus!" [21:35] <fawkes28> it's interesting that he runs it because i don't see him too much as a people person [21:35] <BlixDude> Yeah he isn't lol [21:35] <nympheart> I agree fawkes [21:35] <Expelliarmas> at the hogs head, he doesn't have to be a people person [21:36] <BlixDude> Right he's like the opposite of Rosemareta [21:36] <futureweasley> right, everyone sticks to themselves [21:36] <TheAzkabanDietitian> perhaps dumbledore's family founded hogsmeade itself... but that is a stretch [21:36] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't seem to be interested in catering to the kind of clientele served at the 3 broomsticks. [21:36] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps he has a ulterior motive [21:36] <dumbleydore18> the Hog's Head was chosen by him or else he wanted to live a simple life after being in the Order for so many years. Also to be closer to his brother because it seems that the Dumbledore siblings are the only family left. Atleast ALbus didn't talk much of other family members. [21:36] <Evreka> but the thing is... why would noone like Hermione have said anything about the strong hold the Dumbledores have on Hogsmeade then? [21:36] <JaneMarple9> if he is in the order, perhaps he is a "plant", to discover things [21:36] <MrMcGonagall> The Hogs Head is more a peanuts on the floor, dust on your butterbeer bottle kind of place. [21:36] <BlixDude> I doubt that Dumbly [21:36] <BlixDude> Seems like AB has been working there a long time [21:36] <ProngsPatronus> or Rosmerta? [21:36] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...my kinda place [21:37] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think he is just putting himself in a position where he can attain the right kind of information [21:37] <DumbleDebbie> It's a sit with your back to the wall kinda place to Mr M :wink: [21:37] <DumbleDebbie> *too [21:37] <Expelliarmas> it seems a rougher kind of place which would easily fit in down on knockturn alley [21:37] <JaneMarple9> It's the kind of place "Dodgy people"! go to! [21:37] <Expelliarmas> Did Aberforth inherit Dumbledore’s possessions or is there another heir? [21:37] <Evreka> yeah but that's perfect for eavesdropping [21:37] <dumbleydore18> With that Jane, Aberforth could be a dodgy person [21:37] <JaneMarple9> eg. Mundungus. And I am sure Voldie went in there a few times [21:38] <Evreka> Most likely he did [21:38] <futureweasley> I think DD left his possessions to Harry [21:38] <nympheart> I think Aberforth inherited most of it [21:38] <DumbleDebbie> hmmm, interesting question [21:38] <fawkes28> i think aberforth inherited some things [21:38] <BlixDude> Snape, Aberfroth and Harry probably got most of his things along with others [21:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think that depends upon DD's Will [21:38] <fawkes28> but i think harry did as well [21:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> he may have left Harry something, but I think he left Aberforth things [21:38] <Evreka> but I have hopes something will come to Harry :cry: [21:38] <JaneMarple9> hmmm I'd say Aberforth inherited [21:38] <futureweasley> I think the Will will be crucial to the plot of book 7 [21:38] <Theoriser> they didn;t seem that close, Albus didn't even know if Aberforth could read [21:38] <Evreka> He'll need something of Albus I think [21:38] <JaneMarple9> but then again perhaps everything goes to Harry? [21:38] <nympheart> I think Harry got the pensieve, but any $ would be Aberforth's [21:38] <DumbleDebbie> maybe his things went to him wife :wink: [21:38] <JaneMarple9> or McGonagall? [21:38] <MrMcGonagall> I 'd say he probably left everything to Hogwarts. [21:38] <ProngsPatronus> so do I, fw [21:38] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree that Harry inherited some of it [21:38] <fawkes28> i think different people will have different pieces [21:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Does DD own anything other than the things in his office and bedroom though? Other than money? [21:38] <DumbleDebbie> *his [21:39] <Evreka> lol Dumble [21:39] <fawkes28> i think the possessions are more important than money [21:39] <CarpeDiem> I think DD was prepared for his death and has willed his possesions to exactly the person(s) that will need and use them most. [21:39] <Expelliarmas> For sure, DD left a will; he wouldnt be haphazard that way; he had a well-organized mind, after all [21:39] <JaneMarple9> hmmm left everything to Hogwarts? Thats a idea [21:39] <DumbleDebbie> true CD [21:39] <futureweasley> yes Expie..I totally agree [21:39] <JaneMarple9> agreed Expel [21:39] *** BlixDude has quit [Bye] [21:39] <fawkes28> yes, carpe, i think DD spent some careful time planning his will [21:39] <dumbleydore18> I can see it now....headlines read...."The heir of Dumbledore"...It would be interesting to see who the heir of Dumbledore was...if there was a person. Maybe DD left everything to Harry or the Order itself, the most trusted of people or person. That would be awsome if DD left everything to the Order, imagine all the stuff that could help them out expecially the Pensieve. [21:39] <harryfreak359> agreed Expie [21:39] <JaneMarple9> very much agreed Carpe [21:39] <MrMcGonagall> He had whatever instruments Harry didn't break in OotP. The Pensieve was probably his. I think the Order's invisibility cloak was also DD's. [21:40] *** BlixDude has joined #lounge [21:40] <JaneMarple9> The Heir of Dumbledore:D [21:40] <DumbleDebbie> wb blix [21:40] <Evreka> He had all - ever heard of Repairo! ? LOL [21:40] <An_Eternal_Night> Dumbledore repaired those instruments [21:40] <BlixDude> thanks [21:40] <JaneMarple9> doesn't that sound better than the Heir of Slytherin? :) [21:40] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Jane it does [21:40] <dumbleydore18> yeah Jane it does [21:40] <Evreka> MUCH better! :) [21:40] <JaneMarple9> :D [21:41] <TheAzkabanDietitian> :lol: [21:41] <dumbleydore18> unless its The Heir of Dumbledore Beware lol [21:41] <MrMcGonagall> DD's greatest bequest is always going to be his knowledge and his values. [21:41] <Evreka> lol [21:41] <JaneMarple9> eek :eek: [21:41] <nympheart> I don't think DD would approve of such a title [21:41] <fawkes28> i think aberforth will receive something from the will that harry will need [21:41] <Expelliarmas> Will Aberforth take over his brother’s role as mentor for Harry? Does he have the skill for it? [21:41] <fawkes28> and thus cause the two of them to interact [21:41] <dumbleydore18> Dumbledore's twin is the "bad" heir.... [21:41] <dumbleydore18> lol [21:41] <JaneMarple9> hhmmm no [21:41] <dumbleydore18> heeheehee [21:41] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think so [21:41] <nympheart> no, I think Harry's more-or-less on his own now [21:41] <Evreka> Harry doesn't need a mentor that way I think [21:41] <BlixDude> I highly doubt it [21:42] <Evreka> brb [21:42] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he'll be a mentor, but I'm sure he will come into play in a significant fashion. [21:42] <futureweasley> I don't think he will...I don't think there is a replacement for Albus...he's gone [21:42] <JaneMarple9> I can see Lupin being Harrys mentor now, but not Aberforth [21:42] <DumbleDebbie> Harry needs to be on his own now w/o mentor, just with friends [21:42] <fawkes28> aberforth could never fulfill the role that DD played....no one could [21:42] <nympheart> I don't think Aberforth could give him any more training [21:42] <BlixDude> Actually he can't [21:42] <futureweasley> noone will bear up to comparison [21:42] <ProngsPatronus> no--but Aberforth himself will have connections that Harry can utilise [21:42] <dumbleydore18> i don't see AB giving the same wise wisdom to Harry than DD did.... [21:42] <An_Eternal_Night> I really don't think so, but he might have some skill for it [21:42] <JaneMarple9> Harry doesn't know Aberforth at all [21:42] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [21:42] <fawkes28> however, i think that aberforth will have some valuable information for harry [21:42] <BlixDude> JKR has said that Harry needs to go on alone now [21:42] <futureweasley> hi ced [21:42] <BlixDude> No more mentors [21:42] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry doesn't need a mentor - he needs allies. [21:42] <fawkes28> hi ced [21:42] <DumbleDebbie> hey Ced! [21:42] <JaneMarple9> Hi there Ced [21:42] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone :) [21:42] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Ced [21:42] <nympheart> hi ced [21:42] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [21:42] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think we got enough mentoring in HBP to last a while [21:42] <BlixDude> Harry can't have anymore mentors [21:42] <Aislinn> Harry is at a point in the story when he is moving into adulthood - he does not need a mentor in the same way as he has [21:42] <nympheart> agreed MrM [21:42] <futureweasley> well, there will be "mentors" blix...just no one who is "magically superior" to Harry [21:42] <CarpeDiem> I think they will be similar in many ways but I think the death of DD in a way will convince Harry he is now ready to face his own battles. It's going to be a huge turning point for him. [21:43] <futureweasley> there has got to be some insight still coming for Harry [21:43] <fawkes28> right, future [21:43] <Evreka> back [21:43] <BlixDude> Mentors? Not in the sense the question poses [21:43] <dumbleydore18> agreed Aislinn [21:43] <Evreka> agree Aislinn [21:43] <BlixDude> Allies sure [21:43] <BlixDude> Help, yes [21:43] <Expelliarmas> I think Aberforth will have info, but he won't be a mentor [21:43] <BlixDude> But not a mentor [21:43] <Theoriser> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next P3 chat, here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...=36030&st=0 [21:43] <JaneMarple9> oh Harry will have lots of mentors...people to advice him [21:43] <CarpeDiem> Exactly Expell [21:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry has been given all the tools he needs by Albus. He still has to learn how to put them to work. [21:43] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore and Harry had a great relationship. Why did Dumbledore care so much about Harry? [21:44] <nympheart> I think DD identified with Harry...a lot [21:44] <fawkes28> i think he sees something in harry that he sees in himself [21:44] <futureweasley> you said "no more mentors"...I simply disagreed This post has been edited by Theoriser: Dec 3 2006, 05:33 PM |
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[21:44] <MrMcGonagall> Harry is just so darn likable.
[21:44] <BlixDude> Because Harry was so well adjusted and so important to the wizarding world [21:44] <JaneMarple9> because he knew he was the one who could defeat Voldie [21:44] <ProngsPatronus> becuase Harry was the child of his heart [21:44] <Evreka> I think he came to see him as a son [21:44] <DumbleDebbie> I think DD cares for everyone. But he had a special responsibility to Harry [21:44] <Aislinn> yes Prongs [21:44] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that they had a great relationship initially, DD was too aloof [21:44] <Evreka> yes debbie [21:44] <JaneMarple9> and he's going to be 1000000 % right :D [21:45] * JaneMarple9 crosses fingers behind her back [21:45] <CedrellaBlack> Becasue je just did lol [21:45] <fawkes28> also he knew the prophecy all along and wanted to give him the tools that he needs [21:45] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Yes, I think he has always felt responsible for Harry so he has looked after him in ways that he hasn't other people before... therefore he became more involved and loved him more than the average friend [21:45] <DumbleDebbie> He took responsibilty for him the night Harry's parents died [21:45] <ProngsPatronus> Harry taught Dumbledore how to love in that way, I think [21:45] <fawkes28> and along the way, he has come to greatly respect and admire harry [21:45] <nympheart> I agree TAD [21:45] <MrMcGonagall> I think it began because of Harry's importance in defeating Voldemort, but it became so much more. [21:45] <futureweasley> like Morpheus and Neo...Dumbledore sees Harry as "the one". He saw it as his most important job to nurture and mentor him...show him the path that was in front of him and prepare him for what's to come [21:45] <dumbleydore18> He knows that Harry is going to defeat Voldy so he tried to help him out as much as possible. He cares about him more so than others because he knows that he won't take his fame and fortunes to his head. and he is very loyal. [21:45] <ProngsPatronus> even as Dumbledore readied Harry for his tasks [21:45] <CedrellaBlack> i agree debbie [21:45] <Aislinn> he tells us why when he reveals the prophecy to Harry at the end of OotP, and why he chose to keep waiting to reveal it - he loved this special person he found in front of him [21:45] <DumbleDebbie> I thnk DD already know all about love [21:45] <Evreka> agree debbie [21:45] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree with you all, great thoughts [21:45] <JaneMarple9> hmmm Harry taught Dumbledore how to love? I'd say it was the other way round myself [21:46] <fawkes28> yes, that was a very touching parting, aislinn [21:46] <nympheart> I like that comparison fw [21:46] <BlixDude> I think Harry knew how to love [21:46] <Aislinn> I don't think he cares about him only because of what Harry is destined to do - I think he loves him for what he IS [21:46] <BlixDude> He's always known, it's his defining characteristic [21:46] <JaneMarple9> not in book 1 [21:46] <MrMcGonagall> It's the tremendous tension that comes from knowing what Harry has to do and face, and the desire to shield him from harm when he has already had such heavy burdens to bear. [21:46] <CedrellaBlack> Do ytou think that DD was ever an unspeakable? becuase he knew about the love room [21:46] <JaneMarple9> he had no idea of love at all [21:46] <ProngsPatronus> there are differing kinds of love [21:46] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore had a great pet phoenix: Fawkes. What do you think of their relationship? How do you think Dumbledore obtained Fawkes? [21:46] <futureweasley> but that raw emotion needed some molding [21:46] <fawkes28> there relationship has deepen so much from the first day [21:46] <DumbleDebbie> possible Ced [21:46] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I like that Aislinn [21:46] <BlixDude> Fawkes chose Dumbledore, I think [21:47] <dumbleydore18> Iwonder if DD had the same feelings for Riddle. He has loved before, why not love a bad cookie in the cookie jar? [21:47] <DumbleDebbie> good question [21:47] <nympheart> I agree Blix [21:47] <futureweasley> I see Fawkes and DD as more of a "partnership" [21:47] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe Fawkes was passed down from headmaster to headmaster [21:47] <Evreka> I think they had great respect for eachother [21:47] <An_Eternal_Night> exactly future [21:47] <Aislinn> I do too, future [21:47] <JaneMarple9> hmmm how did Dumble get Fawkes? Perhaps he inherited it [21:47] <BlixDude> He wasn't [21:47] <DumbleDebbie> they do seem almost sybiotic [21:47] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [21:47] <MrMcGonagall> I could see DD being a kind of avid explorer. [21:47] <nympheart> I think DD was a person who knew himself and that appealed to fawkes [21:47] <An_Eternal_Night> they are companions to eachother [21:47] <BlixDude> Fawkes was Dumbledore's and dumbledore's alone [21:47] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Fawkes could have found him... [21:47] <JaneMarple9> what a great idea Ced I can see that [21:47] <dumbleydore18> DD doesn't want the same thing happening to harry, harry turning into a voldy. He hand selects the talented wizards and helps them grow [21:47] <DumbleDebbie> nope Ced, faeks was DD's only [21:47] <Aislinn> he wasn't, ced, Jo said he was specifically DD's [21:47] <DumbleDebbie> Jo said so [21:47] <CedrellaBlack> oh okey :) [21:47] <ProngsPatronus> I saw fawkes and DD as companions by choice [21:47] <fawkes28> phoenixes are hard to domesticate and it had to be a mutual want on both of their parts in order for it to be successful [21:47] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:47] <Expelliarmas> I think Fawkes allowed himself to accompany DD; DD didn't capture or buy Fawkes [21:47] <nympheart> I think so too MrM [21:48] <BlixDude> Fawkes was not passed down... I think JKR said that herself [21:48] <JaneMarple9> :D ok nice idea while it lasted! [21:48] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [21:48] <CedrellaBlack> lol [21:48] <BlixDude> Fawkes wasn't there during Dippet's time [21:48] <nympheart> wb debbie [21:48] <Aislinn> me too prongs - Fawkes seems to be an excellent judge of character, and latches on to someone he admires [21:48] <cloudpic> But Fawkes "likes" Harry [21:48] <DumbleDebbie> thanks nymph [21:48] <futureweasley> Fawkes will "choose" to return to Harry...if he comes back at all [21:48] <JaneMarple9> hmmm perhaps Fawkes chose Dumble, just as Crookshanks chose Hermione [21:48] <fawkes28> fawkes respects harry because harry respects dumbledore [21:48] <DumbleDebbie> Fawkes felt gone to me [21:48] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore is a great and powerful wizard – just like the Founders. Do you think Dumbledore is a descendant of Godric Gryffindor? [21:48] <dumbleydore18> Fawkes came with the headmaster before him, We don't really know how wizards can get phoenixes. Is Fawkes the same one used to give voldy and harry the feather? [21:48] <cloudpic> Nicely put, future [21:48] <DumbleDebbie> just a gut feeling [21:48] <BlixDude> I think Fawkes will show up with Snape... proving to Harry his loyalty [21:48] <JaneMarple9> yes, he'll return to Harry if he does return [21:48] <Aislinn> I think we will see him again, and he will help Harry again [21:49] <BlixDude> No [21:49] <Theoriser> no, I don't think he was [21:49] <fawkes28> me too, aislinn [21:49] <CedrellaBlack> Usually the owner chooses the pet. In this case the pet chooses the owner. Kind of like the Wand Chooses the Wizard [21:49] <nympheart> I think it's possible, and more likely than Harry being decended from Gryffindor [21:49] <futureweasley> I don't think that DD is the decendant of Gryffindor, actually [21:49] <cloudpic> I've wondered about that since JKR made the comment about family... Gryffindor??? [21:49] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think he'll return for Harry [21:49] <JaneMarple9> yes, Dumbledore said so I am sure...about the wand [21:49] <fawkes28> i think DD is a descendent of Godric [21:49] <DumbleDebbie> dumbley, Fawkes wasn't with Dippet. and yes he gave the feathers for the wands [21:49] <futureweasley> I have a sneaking suspicion that Neville is the Decendent of Gryffindor [21:49] <CedrellaBlack> I agree future I dont think he is either [21:49] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't know what to think about this [21:49] <Aislinn> I think he could have been - he certainly had the only 2 known relics of Gryffindor's [21:49] <DumbleDebbie> ooo neat FW! [21:49] <nympheart> that's interesting fw [21:49] <CedrellaBlack> I always thought the Weasleys were [21:50] <CarpeDiem> Interesting FW [21:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Dumbledore was a great prince of the Wizarding World, but not a descendant of Godric Gryffindor [21:50] <An_Eternal_Night> that's true Aislinn [21:50] <cloudpic> Neville???? [21:50] <JaneMarple9> no i can't see Dumbledore being a descendent of godric [21:50] <nympheart> I need to go [21:50] <cloudpic> Interesting [21:50] <CedrellaBlack> byebye nymph [21:50] <futureweasley> see you nymph [21:50] <dumbleydore18> I have mixed feelings of DD's relations with Godric. I do and don't think they are related. [21:50] <TheAzkabanDietitian> woah, fw [21:50] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [21:50] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it is a bit more likely than Harry being a descendent of Gryffindor [21:50] <DumbleDebbie> bye nymph [21:50] <Expelliarmas> did DD have the relics, or did Hogwarts have the relics [21:50] <MrMcGonagall> I just don't know. [21:50] <JaneMarple9> oooo I like it :clap: Neville the descendent of Godric [21:50] <cloudpic> Why not? Dumbledore seems very like Gryffindor's "ideal" [21:50] <fawkes28> dumbledore is a very powerful wizard just like godric was and they seem to have several similarities [21:50] <JaneMarple9> oh please please let that be the case! :) [21:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think DD may have found the relics at Hogwarts and preserved them [21:51] <Expelliarmas> Did Dumbledore’s family own Godric’s Hollow? [21:51] * cloudpic thinks Jane has become fond of Neville :) [21:51] <JaneMarple9> hmmm possibly PP [21:51] <futureweasley> no, I don't think so [21:51] <DumbleDebbie> I think it was the Potter family's place [21:51] <fawkes28> this is a great question [21:51] <BlixDude> Err Godric's Hollow is a village [21:51] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think so [21:51] <Expelliarmas> I think DD himself owned Godric's Hollow and offered it to James and Lily as a safehouse [21:51] <BlixDude> Can you own a village? [21:51] <CedrellaBlack> Nah I don't think so [21:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think whoever owned the cottage at Godric's Hollow had some connection to the line of Godric Gryffindor. [21:51] <futureweasley> I think that the Potter's owned Godric's Hollow [21:51] <dumbleydore18> Maybe Godric's Hollow was named after them in memory, I don't think they actaully owned it. [21:51] <cloudpic> Interesting possibility... people do own villages, Blix [21:51] <Evreka> Possibly [21:51] <fawkes28> i like the theory that Dumbledore owned it and that he had harry's family hide there [21:51] * JaneMarple9 knows shes becomes very fond of Neville...perhaps she is even fonder of Neville than Harry! [21:52] <futureweasley> think of "Godric's Hollow" as the name of a manor, blix [21:52] <BlixDude> Godric's Hollow isn't a building it's a village [21:52] <Evreka> me too fawkes [21:52] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [21:52] <CedrellaBlack> Well you cant technically own the village, but you can own the major parts of it so people consider it yours [21:52] <cloudpic> Large estates with the village on the "owned" property [21:52] <Aislinn> that was my understanding as well, blix, that it is a village [21:52] <JaneMarple9> hmmm Dumbledore might had hidden something at Godrics Hollow [21:52] <cloudpic> People own whole towns here in the U.S, [21:52] <Evreka> well he does own Godric's Sword so [21:52] <Expelliarmas> regardless of the semantics, I still think DD offered the "home" as a safehouse [21:52] <Evreka> brb [21:52] <CedrellaBlack> me too expel [21:52] <JaneMarple9> I think the "school" owns the sword [21:53] <cloudpic> Is the sword Dumbledore's or is it property of Hogwarts? [21:53] <DumbleDebbie> was the sword DD's or did it come with the headmaster's office? [21:53] <futureweasley> I think that he offered to fidelius the Potter's existing home [21:53] <MrMcGonagall> I can't decide whether it was DD or the Potters who owned the house at GH. [21:53] <JaneMarple9> and the other artifacts [21:53] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I thought the sword belonged to hogwarts [21:53] <CedrellaBlack> property of hogwarts i think [21:53] <CarpeDiem> If DD is a descendant of Griffindor, them perhaps he did own it :) However, wouldn't that be much more publicisez? On his chocolate frog card perhaps? [21:53] <cloudpic> It was decoration which was much nicer than kitty plates lol [21:53] <futureweasley> I was having a hard time, too, MrMcG...but I think it's the potters [21:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp! [21:53] <BlixDude> Godric's Hollow also was a muggle village [21:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think the Potters owned the cottage [21:53] <harryfreak359> lol [21:53] <JaneMarple9> :D cloud [21:53] <dumbleydore18> TO me the sword should be property of Hogwarts...Dumbledore just likes it as a decoration. lol [21:53] <Evreka> I think so CD [21:53] <Expelliarmas> Final Question of the Chat: What do you most want to learn about Dumbledore’s family in the 7th book? [21:54] <MrMcGonagall> I've always been inclined to think it was the Potters, but I couldn't rule out DD entirely. [21:54] <cloudpic> Why do you think so PP? [21:54] <Evreka> Anything :) [21:54] <futureweasley> everything [21:54] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol [21:54] <DumbleDebbie> I want to learn about a possible wife and children [21:54] <JaneMarple9> I want to learn what Dumble was like as a boy [21:54] <CedrellaBlack> Anything and Everything [21:54] <fawkes28> i want to know if he is related to GG [21:54] <Evreka> me too Debbie [21:54] <harryfreak359> Ummm...I would like to learn about Aberforth more..but I'd like to learn about everything as well :) [21:54] <DumbleDebbie> and what happened to them [21:54] <cloudpic> I especially want to learn more about Aberforth [21:54] <JaneMarple9> If anything significant happened to him [21:54] <Evreka> me too fawkes [21:54] <Evreka> exactly debbie [21:54] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Who is he related to [21:54] <ProngsPatronus> because of hermione [21:54] <dumbleydore18> Where they are. Does DD have other family besides Aberforth. I want to know more about the Dumbledore family line. [21:54] <DumbleDebbie> and about the battle with Grindelwald! [21:54] <cloudpic> All the secrets!! [21:54] *** BlixDude has quit [Bye] [21:55] <Evreka> I agree with everyone I thinkk [21:55] <futureweasley> I want to know what he left behind in the will...if he had a manor outside of Hogwarts and if that manor will be the new HQ for the Order of the Phoenix [21:55] <fawkes28> i would like to know how he defeated grindelwald [21:55] <An_Eternal_Night> I want to learn about his parents or wife, if he had one; their names, etc. [21:55] <CedrellaBlack> It would be so sad if he did not have family to continue the Dumbledore line [21:55] <JaneMarple9> yes Aberforth, I want to know about him too [21:55] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. That would be of most interest to me, because it would either confirm or rule out certain things. [21:55] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, right, DumbleDebbie [21:55] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [21:55] <harryfreak359> Mmm...Me too Fawkes [21:55] <JaneMarple9> hmmm yes Fawkes [21:55] <CedrellaBlack> That too fawkes [21:55] <Alexk> oh, i've missed everything :( [21:55] <cloudpic> Hear us, JKR!! [21:55] <JaneMarple9> that would be interesting [21:55] <harryfreak359> hey Alex! [21:55] <dumbleydore18> I want to know how Dumbeldore became so weird, lol. [21:55] <CedrellaBlack> hey alex! [21:55] <DumbleDebbie> that whole Grindelwald thing is such a parrallel for Harry and Voldy [21:55] <fawkes28> lol, cp [21:55] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes - that is the thing I am most interested in, and what he saw when he took the potion in the cave [21:55] <JaneMarple9> You haven't missed the Hugs Alex! [21:55] <DumbleDebbie> hi Alexk [21:55] <MrMcGonagall> I want to know about Dd's work with Flamel, too. [21:55] <ProngsPatronus> I want to know the joke [21:55] <Alexk> hi, lol [21:55] <cloudpic> Hi, Alexk [21:55] <Evreka> This chat will soon be over, so I just want to invite everyone over to Chamber of Chat for the continuation in Study Hall! :) [21:55] <fawkes28> oh nice one, aislinn [21:55] <dumbleydore18> lol PP [21:56] <harryfreak359> What joke, PP? [21:56] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Prongs! I don't think we'll hear it, though. [21:56] <futureweasley> about the leprechaun, the hag and the something going into the bar... [21:56] <JaneMarple9> oh the Hag one? [21:56] <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* [21:56] <dumbleydore18> the one with the hag, troll, and leprechaun [21:56] <harryfreak359> OH! [21:56] <DumbleDebbie> lol [21:56] <An_Eternal_Night> his boggart and what he sees in the mirror of erised would be very interesting as well [21:56] <ProngsPatronus> lol--yes! [21:56] <Expelliarmas> I want to know what he felt so guilty about in the cave [21:56] <fawkes28> so much to know about dumbledore he is still a mystery [21:56] <harryfreak359> Yes, I would like to know that one [21:56] <DumbleDebbie> yes it would AEN [21:56] <DumbleDebbie> totally Expie! [21:56] * JaneMarple9 prepares to be hugged [21:56] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Ah, that's a good one [21:56] <Alexk> The Abc Family previews made me incredibly excited about Evanna Lynch as Luna (sorry, I just had to mention it) [21:56] <futureweasley> I want to know what DD saw in the Mirror or Erised too [21:56] <ProngsPatronus> socks [21:56] <DumbleDebbie> you don't think it was socks? [21:56] <Evreka> me too [21:56] <harryfreak359> Me too [21:57] <JaneMarple9> yes Luna looks so good on the photos [21:57] <Evreka> no I don't [21:57] <futureweasley> no [21:57] <cloudpic> I wonder who'll inherit his socks... [21:57] <harryfreak359> it could be, and it could not be [21:57] <DumbleDebbie> maybe socks are a symbol of somethign he misses [21:57] <Aislinn> socks - he doesn't lie [21:57] <Evreka> lol [21:57] <cloudpic> and candies! [21:57] <harryfreak359> LOL [21:57] <ProngsPatronus> me! [21:57] <An_Eternal_Night> JKR said that she couldn't answer that question in the Memerson interview [21:57] <fawkes28> dobby [21:57] <Evreka> Dobby? [21:57] <futureweasley> thanks for coming...it was another great chat [21:57] <CarpeDiem> Agreed Aislinn [21:57] <DumbleDebbie> maybe his wife used to knit him woollen socks [21:57] * futureweasley group hugs [21:57] <JaneMarple9> haven't seen the trailer "live" but hope to soon [21:57] <dumbleydore18> i think it would be socks...I can see it now. DD opening his vault and seeing a mound full of socks! [21:57] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug [21:57] <DumbleDebbie> and he misses her [21:57] <Evreka> See you all in CoC! [21:57] * fawkes28 gives everyone a hug [21:57] <Aislinn> thanks for the great chat everyone! [21:57] * ProngsPatronus hopes that she gets DD's socks... [21:57] * An_Eternal_Night joins the group hugs [21:57] <harryfreak359> lol [21:57] <futureweasley> lol Prongs [21:57] <cloudpic> Hugs to all! Thanks for sharing so many ideas .... so fast! [21:57] <futureweasley> see you guys later [21:57] <fawkes28> it was a great chat - dumbledore is awesome! [21:58] * MrMcGonagall group hugs [21:58] <DumbleDebbie> one other thing... I think DD may have some Demiguise blood in him, hence the invisibility talent [21:58] <TheAzkabanDietitian> bye everyone [21:58] <harryfreak359> bye guys [21:58] <Evreka> thanks for the chat fw and others [21:58] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone and gives out party bags! [21:58] <futureweasley> buh bye [21:58] * CedrellaBlack gives everyone a super hug [21:58] <Alexk> can we seperately hug? or is group hugging only allowed? [21:58] *** TheAzkabanDietitian has quit [Bye] [21:58] <CarpeDiem> Thanks for a great discussion CB mods! :) [21:58] <dumbleydore18> yeah! power to dumbledore! [21:58] <Alexk> jk [21:58] <Evreka> bye [21:58] <An_Eternal_Night> see you all next time! [21:58] <futureweasley> thanks for coming CD! [21:58] <DumbleDebbie> take care all! :hug: [21:58] <cloudpic> Bye!! [21:58] <futureweasley> love when you can make it!! [21:58] <CedrellaBlack> See yall in the CoC! [21:58] * Aislinn hugs the room [21:58] *** Evreka left #lounge [] [21:58] <MrMcGonagall> Happy B-Day, Jane! [21:58] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [21:58] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:58] <ProngsPatronus> hugs to all! [21:58] <CarpeDiem> Bye! :) [21:58] * Alexk hugs everyone seperately [21:58] <Expelliarmas> All right folks, thanks for the chat! see you tomorrow. [21:58] <fawkes28> bye everyone :) [21:58] <CarpeDiem> Awww FW, thanks! :) [21:58] *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [21:58] <cloudpic> Have a safe, warm week everyone. [21:58] * Theoriser hugs everybody [21:58] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [21:58] <futureweasley> see y'all later [21:58] <harryfreak359> bye everyone :hug: [21:58] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [21:58] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:58] <Alexk> :( bye [21:58] <futureweasley> c'mon now, I've got brownies to frost [21:58] <futureweasley> lol [21:59] * JaneMarple9 waves to everybody! Thanks for helping finish off my Birthday in style! [21:59] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [21:59] <Alexk> LOL [21:59] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [21:59] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [21:59] <ProngsPatronus> happy birthday, Jane! [21:59] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [21:59] <ProngsPatronus> thanks for the chat, y'all! 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