P3 Chat Transcript for May 13, 2007, HP7 chapter - The Order of the Phoenix, by Coach |
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[14:55] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:58] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:58] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:59] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: The Order of the Phoenix (ProngsPatronus) [15:00] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:00] <Theoriser> hi jane [15:01] <Aislinn> hey jane! [15:01] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:01] <JaneMarple9> hello Aislinn, Prongs, Theoriser smile [15:01] <JaneMarple9> nice and busy! [15:01] <JaneMarple9> hi fawkes [15:01] <fawkes28> hello all [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey, jane [15:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:02] <cbm> Hi everyone! [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cbm [15:02] <fawkes28> hey cbm [15:02] <Theoriser> hi cbm [15:02] <JaneMarple9> hi cbm [15:02] <cbm> Just here for a rew minutes to say hi! [15:02] <fawkes28> we can't let you leave now that you are here [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> glad you could join us [15:02] <cbm> you can't smile [15:03] <JaneMarple9> looks a interesting essay today [15:03] <Aislinn> hi cbm! [15:04] <cbm> I saw the trailer yesterday on a very large screen and it was great! I can't wait for the movie [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> yes, coach did an outstanding job, I think [15:04] <cbm> Hi aislinn [15:04] <Aislinn> ooh, that must have been great [15:04] <Aislinn> I've been loving it in hi def, but it would be even better full sized [15:04] <cbm> That is where I am going to see the movie, it is a 1939 movie house [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> how great! [15:05] <Aislinn> and they haven't split it into mini-plexes - that's great [15:05] <Aislinn> we had 2 like that, but they've been "upgraded" [15:05] <cbm> It is called the senator in baltimore [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> where is it, if I may ask? [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> I love those old movie houses [15:06] <cbm> visually I think it looked incredible, it is a great trailer [15:06] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> hi, MW [15:06] <JaneMarple9> Hi Malafada [15:07] <Aislinn> the fountain is not how I pictured it, with the wizard up on that separate platform [15:07] <cbm> By the way, spiderman 3 was pretty good too. [15:07] <cbm> I agree Aislinn [15:07] <Aislinn> but the hall of prophecies looks just as I imagine it [15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> hi guys! Snuffles needs to have his cookis supplies cut [15:07] <Aislinn> hey mafalda - did you have trouble getting in? [15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> no not at all, just saw we were begining later Aislinn smile [15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I love the new images from the movie [15:08] * cbm is hungry as he has not had lunch yet [15:08] <Aislinn> so spidey 3 was ok? [15:08] * JaneMarple9 pats snuffles so he doesn't misbehave! [15:08] <cbm> I liked it [15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I have fetuccini a bacala yummy [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> yum! [15:09] <Aislinn> ooh, that sounds wonderful [15:09] <cbm> It is good enough that they will have a 4 [15:09] <Aislinn> wow, it's hard to sustain that kind of quality [15:09] <fawkes28> i am looking forward to pirates 3 in a few weeks smile [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> my brother watched it last night cbm, he came with this : the movie is great and awful [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> it is a good summer for moviewatchers! [15:09] <cbm> The trailer for that was good too [15:09] <Aislinn> I want to see how Captain Jack makes it out of that creature [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> me too fawkes [15:10] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [15:10] <Theoriser> great and awful? [15:10] <Aislinn> hi ringo [15:10] <ProngsPatronus> hey, ringo [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> excatly [15:10] <Ringo2000> Hello All! [15:10] <cbm> There were some parts of spiderman 3 that I did not need, but I think it was good [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> he hated the venom parts and said some parts didn't make sense but the effects were very good [15:10] <Ringo2000> Order of the Phoenix Discussion, right? [15:10] <ProngsPatronus> yes [15:10] <Aislinn> yes, in just a few minutes [15:11] <Ringo2000> ah ok thanks [15:11] <Theoriser> I'm looking forward to shrek 3 as well [15:11] <Aislinn> me too, theoriser [15:11] <Aislinn> I love those movies [15:11] <Aislinn> boy, it's the year of the sequel, isn't it? [15:11] <ProngsPatronus> it sure is [15:12] <cbm> Yes it is! [15:12] <fawkes28> me too, theoriser! [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> shrek? [15:12] <Ringo2000> One sec... [15:12] <cbm> I hope they do a good job with shrek [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> i thought they would make Shrek 4 [15:12] <JaneMarple9> oh shrek 3 should 3 should be good [15:12] *** rockgirrl has joined #lounge [15:13] <MafaldaWeasley> hey rockgirrl [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> hi, rockgirrl [15:13] <Ringo2000> Sorry the Chamber of Chat is lagging on me... [15:14] <Aislinn> it's hard to have both that and this open at the same time, I've found [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> some time disconnect and re-connect works for me, Ringo [15:14] <rockgirrl> Hi. Can't stay long, but I thought I'd log in to my first live chat for a few minutes! [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh so it's another place, sorry [15:14] <Aislinn> welcome, rockgirrl, we're going to start the topic in just another minute [15:14] <JaneMarple9> there's no escape from the booth smile [15:14] <fawkes28> hello rockgirrl [15:14] <Ringo2000> lol Jane [15:15] <cbm> they have threatened to keep me here [15:15] <ProngsPatronus> chaters check in, but they don't check out... [15:15] <fawkes28> who did that, cbm? [15:15] * Ringo2000 has been shackled to the Corner Booth server [15:15] * Aislinn points at fawkes [15:15] * fawkes28 bats her eyelashes innocently [15:16] <cbm> innocent? [15:16] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:16] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:16] <Aislinn> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:17] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:17] <Theoriser> The Order of the Phoenix is introduced to the reader in the 5th book of the series. We learn that it was formed again after Voldemort came back to power. This group of witches and wizards previously existed during Voldemort’s reign of terror over a decade ago. [15:17] <Theoriser> The goal of the Order is to resist and defeat Lord Voldemort. This chat will examine coach’s essay on the role that the Order of the Phoenix will play in Deathly Hallows. It can be found here. [15:17] <Theoriser> As leader of the Order of the Phoenix, Albus Dumbledore never discriminated against wizards based on their blood status or against creatures. He also empowered its members to take on leadership roles. What did you think of Dumbledore’s leadership style? [15:18] <Ringo2000> I like his role as a leader [15:18] <fawkes28> Dumbledore is the perfect model of a leader [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> I think he led by example [15:18] <Ringo2000> He is [15:18] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, I think that's true [15:18] <Ringo2000> He's your classic pin-up leader [15:18] <cbm> I think it is too trusting [15:18] <Aislinn> and he is someone who inspires confidence, so people will naturally follow him [15:18] *** FireboltPhoenix has joined #lounge [15:18] <Aislinn> hi FireboltPhoenix [15:18] <Ringo2000> I totally agree Aislinn [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> hi, firebolt [15:18] <FireboltPhoenix> hello [15:18] *** roonwit has joined #lounge [15:19] <Aislinn> you think Dd is too trusting, cbm? [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> hi, roonwit [15:19] <cbm> yes [15:19] <Aislinn> hi roonwit [15:19] <Ringo2000> He shows leadership where leadership is needed [15:19] <JaneMarple9> he is rather trusting yes [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> hello firebolt and roonwit [15:19] <Ringo2000> Hey, roonwit! [15:19] <Aislinn> I think it is a matter of respecting people to make their own decisions [15:19] <JaneMarple9> particually with one certain greasy haired person smile [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> in what way, cbm? [15:19] *** butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase has joined #lounge [15:19] <JaneMarple9> hi roonwit [15:19] <cbm> He also does not have anyone close to him to trade ideas [15:19] <fawkes28> Sorry guys - Here is the link to coach's essay on The Order of the Phoenix: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven/order [15:19] <JaneMarple9> hi butterbeer [15:19] <Aislinn> that's true - Jo did point that out in the Memerson interview [15:19] <Ringo2000> laugh Jane...No fingers pointing *point snape* [15:19] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> helloooo! [15:20] <rockgirrl> He isn't perfect -- I agree that sometimes his trust is too blind -- but he is on the whole an excellent leader. He doesn't command unless absolutely necessary, and prefers to lead by guiding others (especially Harry) to their own discoveries. [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> hi, butter [15:20] <MafaldaWeasley> hi butter! [15:20] <fawkes28> I think the most important factor of his leadership is who he is as a person - he genuinely respects everyone for who they are [15:20] *** HARRYPOTTERFREAK265 has joined #lounge [15:20] *** HARRYPOTTERFREAK265 has quit [Bye] [15:20] <Aislinn> agreed rockgirrl [15:20] <Ringo2000> Hey Butter [15:20] <Ringo2000> He does. [15:20] *** HARRYPOTTERFREAK265 has joined #lounge [15:20] <cbm> I think he is a great person!!! [15:20] <rockgirrl> Yes, I agree fawkes. And he is also utterly patient through his respect. [15:20] <FireboltPhoenix> That's definitely true, fawkes [15:20] <Aislinn> hi HARRYPOTTERFREAK265 [15:21] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> hi everyone [15:21] <Ringo2000> If anyone had to lead the Order, it had to be Dumbledore. [15:21] <rockgirrl> I think that's why I miss him so much; I see the world as potentially falling into utter chaos without Dumbledore! (Not that chaos is always a bad thing...) [15:21] *** Hermeeownee has joined #lounge [15:21] <Ringo2000> He takes on the roll respectfully and carefully but produces the results [15:21] <cbm> But look at the decisions he makes for Harry in OotP, cutting him off for a year, he makes mistakes, but i agree he is the only one qualified to ve leader [15:21] <fawkes28> He leads by example more than anything and people respect him for that [15:21] <rockgirrl> Do we see Harry taking on D's role as leader? [15:22] <JaneMarple9> not me [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cbm [15:22] *** ryplo2 has joined #lounge [15:22] <Aislinn> I love that about him, cbm [15:22] <Theoriser> good point cbm [15:22] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> hmmm, i dont think the adults would listen they see him as a kid! [15:22] <Aislinn> It makes him more human [15:22] <FireboltPhoenix> I'm not sure... the Order might see Harry as a leader, but, then again, they don't know about the Horcruxes that he's got to go find [15:22] <JaneMarple9> harrys too young to lead the order [15:22] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> harry is not a kid any more [15:22] <Ringo2000> Yes, Aislinn. I think it is an aspect even he has. [15:22] <rockgirrl> He's very young, but he has knowledge that the Order doesn't have. [15:22] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> yea [15:22] <Theoriser> What effect will Dumbledore’s death have on the organization as a whole? [15:22] <cbm> I agree Aislinn, OotP would have been a very short book if DD had talked to Harry at all [15:22] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i know he's not a kid but thats how everyone sees him like molly and arthur etc [15:22] <roonwit> Harry will have far too many other things to do than lead the Order, though he may need to call on it to help on occasions. [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> I think there will be a period of chaos [15:23] <Ringo2000> They definantly wont take it as a pinch of salt [15:23] <Aislinn> I'm sure that it has really thrown them [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think Harry has the knowledge necessary or the expirience necessary to lead the Order. there are many things he doesn't know [15:23] <FireboltPhoenix> Agreed [15:23] <cbm> I think they will be more on the defensice than before [15:23] <Hermeeownee> I see Harry using the order rather than the order using harry.... [15:23] <Aislinn> everyone probably thought of him as invincible, and if he could be gotten to, what chance do the rest of them have/ [15:23] <FireboltPhoenix> There will be a period of chaos, and then they'll settle themselves back into a situation where they can fight [15:23] *** poelsefod has joined #lounge [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Aislinn [15:23] <rockgirrl> If not Harry, who will take on the role of leader in the order? Anyone? [15:23] <Ringo2000> I think, this would have been a massive shock, there own leader, It's like leaving someone aloone in a world with no knowledge. [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> hi, poelsefod [15:23] <Aislinn> we'll get there, rockgirrl [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> I think DD had a plan B, if that happen he knew who he would leave in charge [15:24] <Ringo2000> alone** [15:24] <cbm> But look at the death count for the 1st order when Dumbledore was there, now he is not, how bad will it get [15:24] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yeah he must have had a "second in command" [15:24] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> well look at the death count for the 2nd order [15:24] <Theoriser> Did Dumbledore leave the Order with any instructions in the event of his death? [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think he would never have thought about the possibility of being killed, I don't see him that arrogant [15:24] <FireboltPhoenix> I'm thinking the death toll will be pretty steep... JKR did say to expect a lot of deaths, didn't she? [15:24] <Aislinn> I think it's going to get pretty bad, cbm, and I'm really afraid to read it [15:24] <Ringo2000> I think he did [15:25] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> it might be prof. mcgownal [15:25] <cbm> I am expecting DH to be very very very dark [15:25] <Aislinn> I imagine he did leave some instructions [15:25] <poelsefod> hello- just wanted to do the polite thing, and tell you I'm sorry, but I can't chat- time for tea! [15:25] <rockgirrl> Or Lupin? [15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm sure he left something [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> DD was an orderly sort--I think he left all in order [15:25] <roonwit> McGonagall might take over the Order as well as the headship, though I could see Lupin or Arthur doing a good job. [15:25] <Ringo2000> With a mind like his, I think he has shared the knowledge to the "right" people, the people who he trusted. [15:25] <fawkes28> i think perhaps he left a note of encouragement [15:25] <FireboltPhoenix> You know, going on what roonwit said, I could definitely see Lupin leading the Order [15:25] <Hermeeownee> I can see it falling to Lupin... or Moody [15:25] <cbm> Whether he left instruction or not will be the first clue as to whether there was a plan with Snape [15:25] <fawkes28> It is not in his style to lead step by step notes of what to do [15:26] <Ringo2000> I could see it more falling into the hands of Moody, not Lupin. [15:26] *** poelsefod has quit [Bye] [15:26] <ryplo2> i think the order will mainly fill harry in on what it going on with Voldemort. i mean, the DH book talks about Harry needing to get out of his house without Voldemort's knowledge, so the Order needs to help out somehow. The Order will distract Voldemort while Harry takes out a few horcruxes [15:26] <Aislinn> I don't think we will learn that at the outset, cbm [15:26] <FireboltPhoenix> But will the Order ever learn about the Horcruxes? [15:26] *** Hermeeownee has quit [Bye] [15:26] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think he left a step by step but gneral guidelines I'm sure he left [15:26] <Theoriser> coach’s essay mentions that there are four likely candidates who may take Dumbledore’s place as head of this organization. The front runner is Minerva McGonagall, who was Dumbledore’s second in command at Hogwarts. How probable is it that McGonagall will be named head of the Order? [15:26] <cbm> If there are no instructions, then DD was no planning on dieing, therefore no plan [15:27] <Ringo2000> Not very [15:27] <Ringo2000> I think he has left the reigns to someone else. [15:27] <rockgirrl> Whatever information he left with the Order probably depends on how likely he foresaw his own death... [15:27] <JaneMarple9> less than zero! [15:27] <Aislinn> I think she is going to be having enough to be getting on with, taking care of the school [15:27] <roonwit> Harry won't tell the Order about the Horcruxes though I could see certain members of the Order or the Weasleys working it out from what Harry is up to. [15:27] <ryplo2> obviously Aberforth will play some part, maybe he has the necesary instructions [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think that the intructions are only in case of planning to dye, but just in case of that happening [15:27] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> what if he had planned to leave snape in charge [15:27] <JaneMarple9> she'll be mad busy being Hogwarts Headmistress [15:27] <Aislinn> guys, please stick to the questions being asked [15:28] <rockgirrl> butterbeer, I was just thinking of that! [15:28] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> no one would listen to him would they! [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think so. I think she is out. Hogwarts will be problem enough for her [15:28] <Ringo2000> I agree, Aislinn. Dumbledore was a multi-tasker, McGonagall cannot do that, it is too much of a hand full. [15:28] <Ringo2000> (Even for her smile) [15:28] <cbm> I have no idea who will lead, McG was my 1st thought, but I could easily be wrong [15:28] <Aislinn> especially since I think that the school is going to be under threat - she is going to have to focus on keeping the kids safe [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> DD didn't have the problems Minerva faces now [15:28] <ryplo2> Moody would make a good leader [15:29] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP I agree [15:29] <Ringo2000> I think McGonagall is the instead thought for the Order lead. [15:29] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i think McG who knows if hogworts will even be open this yr! [15:29] <Aislinn> I think it will be, butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase [15:29] <cbm> I think it will open [15:29] <Theoriser> McGonagall could take over, but her role could just be to control the school [15:29] <FireboltPhoenix> I agree with Theoriser... I think McGonagall will be too busy at Hogwarts [15:29] <Ringo2000> sorry mine was ambigous above: I think McGonagall is the first thought for order lead. [15:30] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> well if harry isnt there i doubt the book will be centered around hogworts like all the others so mcG could be leader of OoTP [15:30] <Theoriser> No one can ever truly replace Dumbledore. If McGonagall is chosen as the head of the Order, what can we expect from her as a leader? [15:30] <Ringo2000> Strict and Stern [15:30] <fawkes28> i think many of us think McGonagall because we see her in a leader position already [15:30] <ryplo2> does anybody think that the best place for the Headquarters might be Hogwarts now? [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> fairness [15:30] <Ringo2000> She will apply her personality into the job. [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> which is unfortunate [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> A lot of planning and a lot of control [15:30] <Aislinn> She would definitely have a different approach/style than dumbledore's [15:30] <Ringo2000> Yeah--I think she will take the Order to a new level. [15:30] <fawkes28> I think she will take the job and will not put up with any nonsense at all [15:30] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> well she kicked ass with umbridge! [15:31] <Aislinn> she did, butterbeer [15:31] <rockgirrl> ryplo -- that's a thought. Though if the school remains open, would the Order do that, with so many students there? [15:31] <FireboltPhoenix> McGonagall could potentially be a very great leader [15:31] <Aislinn> What do you think is unfortunate, prongs? [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> Voldemort is not going to fight fairly [15:31] <cbm> The only time we saw her in charge was after DD died, and she was very much for getting more opinions, so I think it would be more of a team approach [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> Minerva has trouble thinking outside the box [15:32] <JaneMarple9> too right prongs [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> Nice point Cbm... [15:32] <Aislinn> true - he fights dirty, and I agree that it not her strength [15:32] <Ringo2000> I dont cbm, McGonagall will try and take all the jobs for herself--thats how she works [15:32] <ryplo2> PP - i was trying to find a way to say that thank you [15:32] <JaneMarple9> when has voldie fought fair?! [15:32] <Aislinn> I was glad to see her pull the other teachers in, cbm [15:32] <Ringo2000> hahah Jane laugh [15:32] <Aislinn> it's good that she is looking to build consensus [15:32] <Ringo2000> I do think McGonagall would be a good leader [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe that was cause she was a bit insecure? I thought she was insecure in the end of the book. Myabe it was just the shiock for DD's passing [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> I also think she wanted to see who was going to back her [15:33] <cbm> If you take a team approach, if you are in charge, you do not need to think outside the box, you just need members who do [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> establish a leadership role at the get-go [15:33] <Aislinn> good point, prongs [15:33] <fawkes28> I have never seen her as insecure, Malfada [15:33] <fawkes28> I thought she continued to remain strong after DD's death [15:33] <Aislinn> as long as you listen to them, yes cbm [15:33] <cbm> I think she will [15:33] <Ringo2000> True, Fawkes. She is a tough old cookie. [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> I am not sure how well she does long-range planning [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> no fawkes? not even in the end of the book? I think DD would have never hesitated about the school being open or consider better to close it. For me that was a bit of insecurity. [15:34] <JaneMarple9> she is a determained person is prof. mcgonagall [15:34] <Theoriser> Remus Lupin is a man to whom many people look up to. He has assumed leadership roles in the past, as a prefect. What are some of the benefits to Lupin being named head of the Order? [15:34] <FireboltPhoenix> Uncertainty maybe... but I didn't necessarily see it as insecurity [15:34] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> maybe none of them will feel up to stepping into dumbledores shoes so there wont be a new "leader" as such just a majority vote type scenario! [15:34] <JaneMarple9> she doesn't go down with a fight [15:34] <Aislinn> I can't see Lupin as the leader of the Order [15:34] <JaneMarple9> he's my choice for new leader [15:35] <Aislinn> He doesn't seem the type to command, but rather to be a key advisor [15:35] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> no he'll be too busy as a werewolf like in hbp [15:35] <cbm> But once she had everyone's opinion, she made a decision [15:35] <rockgirrl> I think Lupin has many similarities to DD. He is patient and respectful and more calming that someone like, say, Moody. [15:35] <ryplo2> Lupin is too busy doing werewolf stuff...unless he lost his role with the battle with Greyback [15:35] <JaneMarple9> he'd do really well - and most people respect him....except once a month! [15:35] <Ringo2000> Same, Aislinn, he doesn't have the right characteristics of a leader, he is more of a flollower. [15:35] <Ringo2000> follower* [15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> He is a calm person and he has the need to make sense, which I think it1's a positive point. Also he has a very nice way to treat people, but I don't know [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Lupin's greatest obstacle to leadership is himself [15:35] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yeah i agree ringo [15:35] <Aislinn> agreed, prongs [15:35] <rockgirrl> How so, prongs? [15:35] <Aislinn> he would be good at it, but has to believe that of himself [15:36] <Theoriser> yeah, he probably wouldn't believe in himself as a leader [15:36] <Ringo2000> Aww...I have to go [15:36] <JaneMarple9> he always considers other people [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> he has trouble believing in his own worth [15:36] <cbm> bye [15:36] <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good observation, prongs [15:36] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think he'd want the responsibility, i see him more as a pacifier [15:36] <Aislinn> bye ringo [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> bye ringo! [15:36] <Ringo2000> Oh Darn - I was enjoying this aswell [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> a fatal flaw for a leader [15:36] <rockgirrl> Though don't you think he might rise to the ocassion, if the need arises? [15:36] <FireboltPhoenix> He really does have to believe in himself [15:36] <FireboltPhoenix> bye ringo1 [15:36] <Ringo2000> Great Discussion Guys [15:36] <FireboltPhoenix> *! [15:36] <Ringo2000> See You! smile [15:36] <Theoriser> bye ringo smile [15:36] <Aislinn> he may do so, yes rockgirrl [15:36] <Ringo2000> (I'll be at the next Chat) [15:36] *** Ringo2000 left #lounge [] [15:36] <fawkes28> I think Lupin strength is his ability to treat others fairly and compassionately [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> yes fawkes [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [15:37] <Theoriser> maybe he'd be best as second in command [15:37] <ryplo2> I think Moody would be best leader because he has the experience. McG is too busy. and so is Lupin. [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> and he makes good use of logic under pressure [15:37] <Aislinn> does he have the strategic skills a leader would need? [15:37] <Theoriser> Lupin is a werewolf and has many issues to deal with in this regards. What are some disadvantages to Lupin being chosen as head of the Order? [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> I think so Aislinn [15:37] <FireboltPhoenix> I think some Order members would be wary of Lupin, simply because he is a werewolf [15:37] <fawkes28> I think he is reflective, but we have not yet seen him in a role hat will lead to strategy [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> unless he had a source of Wolfsbane Potion, he would be unavailable each month [15:38] <FireboltPhoenix> Old prejudices don't go down without a fight [15:38] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> what about hagrid, ha ha? [15:38] <cbm> He does not have the respect needed yet to lead the order [15:38] <Aislinn> I wonder if Lupin will be able to continue to try to recruit werewolves, since he was present for that battle at the end of HBP [15:38] <fawkes28> Like coach said in his essay - he may have a hard time convincing people to join the Order, because people have prejudice against him for who he is [15:38] *** kpotter has joined #lounge [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> he will not take the leadership because he won't be in charge of himself once in a month now that Snape is off [15:38] <Aislinn> we don't know what happened to fenrir, so we don't know if his cover is blown [15:38] <ProngsPatronus> hi, kpotter [15:38] <kpotter> hi [15:38] <Aislinn> hey kpotter [15:38] <FireboltPhoenix> hello, kpotter [15:38] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> hello kpotter [15:38] <cbm> aislinn, I think you are right, I think his recruitment days may be over [15:38] <kpotter> hi all [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think also that it would really set the ministry against the Order [15:39] <rockgirrl> What about Arthur? [15:39] <Aislinn> having lupin in charge, you mean, prongs? [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> esp Umbridge [15:39] <cbm> prongs, it is not like they are helping now [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> yes [15:39] <ryplo2> WHAT ABOUT MOODY?! [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> hiowever, because of DD, they were tolerated [15:39] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> i thought harry's dad was prongs [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> with Lupin, it would be different [15:39] <FireboltPhoenix> Yeah, I mean, I think they're going to be hard pressed to get the Ministry much involved, anyway [15:39] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i think moody more than arthur [15:40] <Theoriser> no caps please ryplo2 [15:40] <rockgirrl> Hmmmm....I'm not sure about Moody as a leader. He's a great fighter, but can he lead? [15:40] <cbm> any organization that would keep stan shunpike in jail is not competent [15:40] <Theoriser> Besides being a potential candidate, Lupin already has been given a job to live amongst the werewolves as a spy and recruit them to the Order’s side. How beneficial is it for him to stay in this role? [15:40] <cbm> so I would not worry about the ministry [15:40] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i agree cbm so i dont think arthur could lead and do his job @ the ministry [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that role is over [15:41] <cbm> I think that if any of the DEs saw Lupin, he may not be able to go back [15:41] <Aislinn> rockgirrl: please check the top of your screen and click on my name [15:41] <FireboltPhoenix> I agree. I think the role is over too. [15:41] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> it would be very beneficial for lunpin to stay with the werewovles [15:41] <rockgirrl> Which might be interesting: What will be more important to Arthur? His job at the ministry or his roll in the order? [15:41] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> his roll in the order [15:41] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> well he is the only one bringing money into the house the weasleys need to live on something! [15:41] <FireboltPhoenix> Definitely. I think Arthur would give up his Ministry job to fight for the cause. [15:42] *** rockgirrl has quit [Bye] [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> who knows how many werewolves he managed to convince? [15:42] *** rockgirrl has joined #lounge [15:42] <JaneMarple9> i think arthur may take a more active role in the order [15:42] <cbm> The order would be more important, but to leave that he will need money [15:42] <FireboltPhoenix> Since the Ministry is nothing short of corrupt anyway [15:42] <rockgirrl> Got it [15:42] <JaneMarple9> if he was asked too [15:42] <roonwit> To be honest, I am not sure it will matter that much who leads the Order, because I can see them focussing on the same things that Dumbledore left them doing, watching Death Eaters, protecting Hogwarts, and keeping Harry safe. [15:42] <fawkes28> that is a good point, roonwit [15:42] <cbm> I agree roonwit [15:43] <JaneMarple9> I am sure money will be arranged if arthur finished his job at the ministry [15:43] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> will hogwarts be safe throught [15:43] <FireboltPhoenix> That brings up another question in my mind. If the Order doesn't know what Harry's doing, how will they keep him safe? [15:43] <fawkes28> I do think it is benficial that Lupin try; however, I do not think he will be successful [15:43] <ProngsPatronus> please stick to the question at hand, folks! [15:43] <cbm> Itshould have the same wards, unless they fell with DD death [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> well, roonwit, my thoughts are there won't be a leader, or the order is a council or they are fade to disapear and it will be Harry and his frinds while other will just figth agains DE [15:43] <fawkes28> so he is making a great personal sacrifice by doing what he is doing [15:43] *** lauraloo82 has joined #lounge [15:43] <ProngsPatronus> hi, laura [15:43] <Aislinn> for those of you who have not attended the chat before, we have a structrued set of questions prepared - please let us ask them [15:43] <lauraloo82> hi all [15:43] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> harry wants to go alone though so I doubt he'd want the Ootp following him everywhere [15:44] <Theoriser> Alastor Moody is one of the most senior members of the Order of the Phoenix. What do you think about the possibility of him leading this organization? [15:44] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> well herimone and ron are going to follow him every where [15:44] <fawkes28> hi laura [15:44] <JaneMarple9> possible [15:44] <lauraloo82> hi [15:44] <cbm> Right now I would vote moody as my choice, but just barely [15:44] <FireboltPhoenix> Moody could lead the Order, possibly [15:44] <fawkes28> I think Moody has what it takes to be a leader since he has shown great leadership skills as an Auror [15:44] <ryplo2> as you may have guessed from my replies....i agree theoriser....moody is the best option [15:44] <lauraloo82> this is my first visit [15:45] <fawkes28> welcome! [15:45] <Aislinn> I think that Moody could lead, but I wonder if he would want to [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think so. I think Moody is too worried and too paranoid hehe I love him, but as a leader they would waste too much time on useless recomemdations [15:45] <JaneMarple9> he may not be the most approachable head of the order [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> Moody is all about the details [15:45] <JaneMarple9> but he has the advangtage of his eye [15:45] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yeah i know but i think it will mainly just be the three of them, he knows people he cares for are a t risk coz LV will use them to get to him- thats why he finished with ginny so i don't think he'd want to get more people kiled [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> and paranoia [15:45] <kpotter> Moody is not enough of a leader to be in charge like Dumbledore - he is too paranoid [15:45] <JaneMarple9> constant vigerlance [15:45] <Aislinn> He would likely be a much more traditional "general" kind of leader [15:45] <ryplo2> but isn't Moody a lot like Scrimgreur...i'm mainly talking about the experience aspect, not the paranoia part [15:46] <ProngsPatronus> yes, he was an excellent auror [15:46] <cbm> I think that he would be able to make the organization safer as spies will be found, we still do not know the status of spies in the current order [15:46] <kpotter> with the "constant vigilance" I don't know that anything would actually get done [15:46] <lauraloo82> how much would moody know to lead the order? [15:46] <Aislinn> he does have the experience [15:46] <fawkes28> i do not think Moody is anyting like Scrim as a leader [15:46] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> but didnt moody kind of take charge throughout hbp- collecting harry and escorting them to the train?! [15:46] <fawkes28> Moody knows a lot of people in the wizarding world, which can be beneficial to the order [15:46] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, very outdated Aislinn. he's an old soldier.he was excellent yes, but now he got a bit wacko [15:46] <Aislinn> he is very big on how security should go, yes butter [15:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think Moody is really good with carrying out orders [15:46] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> yea but he was asked to by DD [15:46] <Theoriser> coach mentions the possibility of Moody taking a more militant approach to stopping the Death Eaters by perhaps executing preemptive missions. How likely is this possibility if Moody is in charge? [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I am not sure how good he is at giving them [15:47] <Aislinn> I think that would be very likely, if Moody were to be in charge [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I think that would be extremely likely [15:47] <fawkes28> I think Moody would definitely take a militant approach - it is a part of who he is and he will not change who he is [15:47] <cbm> It depends on how strong the order is, it takes skilled people to do that [15:47] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yeah very likely [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I am sure he has a list from the old days [15:47] *** rockgirrl has quit [Bye] [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> he has killed before hasn't he? [15:48] *** songster has joined #lounge [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> however, I wonder if he might set his sights on snape [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> hi, songster [15:48] <songster> Hi. [15:48] <Aislinn> yes, mafalda, I think he has [15:48] <cbm> Him and everyone else prongs will have their sights set one snape [15:48] <Theoriser> good point prongs [15:48] <Aislinn> Crouch sr. authorized lethal force in the first war [15:49] <lauraloo82> is snape really on LV's side? [15:49] <cbm> on snape [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP this was what i was thinking. I think he went after Rosier for vengence for the Prewetts [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> but moody is the kind of person who would hunt forever--and focus--on that [15:49] <fawkes28> Moody will do what is necessary to win the war even if he has to harm or kill them [15:49] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> think that is the question on everyones lips lauraloo! [15:49] <ryplo2> i think it'll be a lot of role playing...moody will be in charge of the Executive branch....McG has the legislative branch...i'm not sure of a good candidate for the judicial...maybe Lupin, but i doubt it [15:49] <Aislinn> that was probably the kind of role he had as an Auror, prongs - tracking down the bad guys one at a time [15:50] <Theoriser> Although Moody is very different from Dumbledore, is he able to lead the Order in an effective and successful manner? [15:50] <lauraloo82> ys, i just started a debate back in the lounge [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> and I'm sure he's good at it, Aislinn. that's what scares me [15:50] <roonwit> Moody always tried to bring in captives alive, and I can see him following the same policy if he leads the Order [15:50] <fawkes28> I think he would be well structured as well as effective [15:50] *** songster has quit [Bye] [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think he could be, but that he won't [15:50] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> are we talking about congress or whos going to run the OoP [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I doubt it. [15:50] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [15:50] <lauraloo82> I don't think so Theoriser [15:50] <cbm> we do not know enough about him, I am not sure how the others will react [15:50] <Aislinn> why does it scare you mafalda? [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> he is too pragamtic and that leads to mistakes [15:51] <fawkes28> hi sophia [15:51] <Sophia40> Hi [15:51] <Sophia40> Whats the question [15:51] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think there will be an outright leader i just think each person will be given certain roles to play duties to do [15:51] <lauraloo82> i agree [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> there are many things that are not that logical or 100 good or bad. I think moody cannot see the gray area [15:51] <fawkes28> We are talking about Moody as a leader for Order of the Phoenix [15:52] <cbm> I think there has to be a person in charge [15:52] <Theoriser> Another possibility is Arthur Weasley, who coach says is most like Dumbledore because he clearly knows what is right and does not waiver from that position. How effective would Arthur be as the leader? [15:52] <Aislinn> I agree, cbm, they need a leader to coordinate things [15:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think Arthur is my choice [15:52] <lauraloo82> I think too many other members would not agree with his way of running things [15:52] <Aislinn> I think arthur would be a good candidate [15:52] <cbm> I think he is too kind to do the job [15:52] <fawkes28> me too, prongs [15:52] <Aislinn> He is fair and not obsessed with power, and seems very practical [15:53] <fawkes28> He has the same air about him that Dumbledore does [15:53] <kpotter> While his heart would be in the right place, I don't think Arthur would be effective enough [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> and he has experience leading a large group [15:53] <ryplo2> Arthur is the most clear minded of the group...or what Aislinn said sounds better [15:53] <Aislinn> He is also used to reacting to the unexpected, in the 2 jobs he has held [15:53] <lauraloo82> I'm not sure about Arther [15:53] <fawkes28> He does not loose his temper much and is very level headed [15:53] <Sophia40> I think he would be good defensivly Offensive ? [15:53] <Theoriser> he's very fair and practical, but I wonder if he would cope with being leader [15:53] <lauraloo82> how would Molly feel? [15:53] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> i dont think he has enough experince [15:53] <ryplo2> i just don't know if he's a good decision maker [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think he is a good wizard [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> knows his stuff [15:53] <roonwit> I can see Arthur letting Harry get on with his mission without interfering, but offering help where necessary, which is good. (I see the attitude to Harry being one of the key things any leader would have to decide). [15:53] <Aislinn> the Order has not really taken the offensive, sophia [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> good point, roonwit [15:54] <fawkes28> Right, Prongs and he isn't arrogant about it either [15:54] <Aislinn> good point, roonwit [15:54] <lauraloo82> Good point roonwit [15:54] <Sophia40> Auther does he have enough credablity [15:54] <lauraloo82> lol [15:54] <Sophia40> I know but in DH I tink they will have toAislinn [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> I think DD set a veil between Harry and the Order for some reason. I don't think the Order will matter [15:55] <cbm> It is hard to take the offensive against terrorists, and that is what the DEs are [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> Harry knows who they are, though [15:55] <lauraloo82> is the order likely to know about the horcruxes? [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> he was there at the graveyard [15:55] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> i think that harry will do his thing while the order does their thin\g [15:55] <Aislinn> I agree, cbm - I can't see the Order going after them in an aggressive manner, rather trying to continue to protect the community and thwart the terrorists [15:55] <Theoriser> Out of the four members mentioned previously, Arthur has been an Order member for the least amount of time - for two years. How likely is it that he will be named head of the Order? [15:55] <cbm> No one knows except for Harry now [15:55] <fawkes28> Please stick to the current question - we will get to them all, I promise [15:55] <ryplo2> i don't think the order needs to know about the horcruxes [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think harry's support will be critical [15:56] <Aislinn> we don't really know how the order would choose a leader [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> and I think harry would go for Arthur [15:56] <cbm> I would expect for either Moody or McG to be leader before Arthur [15:56] <Aislinn> he has a lot of respect for him, yes prongs [15:56] <lauraloo82> perhaps they don't need another leader [15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> That's interesting Aislinn. It's a process we don't know. I've even heard that Fawkes is the one to choose [15:56] <Sophia40> I wasn't watching are we still talking about Moody? [15:56] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> No i think harry and the horcruxes will be totally seperate from the order i think their role will be more with protection and fighting the death eaters and LV's other supporters [15:56] <Aislinn> fawkes! that would be interesting [15:56] <fawkes28> I think that perhaps everyone will be busy with their own project and that someone will nominate Arthur who will be humble and perhaps not accept at first thinking he is not good enough [15:57] <JaneMarple9> I think the Order has to have a leader who instructs them [15:57] <JaneMarple9> or else it would be chaos [15:57] <Theoriser> we're talking about Arthur now, Sophia [15:57] <fawkes28> that would be interesting, Malfada - since it is named after fawkes [15:57] <Aislinn> they are facing a huge threat - they do need someone to lead them [15:57] <JaneMarple9> yay arthur smile [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> Arthur has many contacts throughout the wizarding world, I think [15:58] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> no i just dont see arthur being up to the job of leader [15:58] <lauraloo82> maybe arther could mediate but not lead, perhaps no-one will want to take DD's place [15:58] <Aislinn> yes, both in the ministry and in the larger community [15:58] <JaneMarple9> I think arthur would do good as the leader [15:58] <Sophia40> Arther is nice enough but does he have enough resolve [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> he would be a good leader, because there is steel behind that calm exterior [15:58] <FireboltPhoenix> I think Arthur could surprise us [15:58] <fawkes28> i agree completely, FireboltPhoenix [15:58] <cbm> But will the order chose it's own leader, or will DD have left instructions, that is a huge question, I think DD choosing is arthur's best chance of being leader [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Yeah, we don't really know the process, fawkes, but it would be interesting that fawkes helps the leader of the Order, since hes a fenix.. [15:58] <kpotter> I don't think he would be chosen immediately. There may be someone in the order with more connections and more time in the Order. [15:59] <ryplo2> the order still needs to gain support from the Magical Beasts community (for lack of better wording) so i think the best leader would be a persuasive/defensive leader [15:59] <fawkes28> it would be nice if it was willed to Arthur by DD [15:59] <Theoriser> Which other candidates do you think have a good chance of becoming the new head of the Order? [15:59] <Sophia40> Mundugus hahahahahaha! [15:59] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> really i think it could only be between arthur, McG and moody, possibly lupin [16:00] <FireboltPhoenix> I can't really think of any, apart from the "big four" [16:00] <cbm> aberforth, maybe, he was a member in the 1st war [16:00] <ryplo2> Aberforth, just because we know little about him. he probably has contacts. it would be a nice surprise too [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> I was thinking aberforth myself [16:00] <fawkes28> it would be interesting if Dumbledore asked for it to be aberforth [16:00] <lauraloo82> perhaps someone we haven't heard much about? [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> but he is such a huge questionmark [16:00] <FireboltPhoenix> Yeah, if I had to pick, I'd probably say Aberforth [16:00] <Aislinn> I think the ones mentioned are the likeliest candidates, although I've also heard Shacklebolt mentioned [16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> uu..none. I honeslty think it's hard for somebody else to be a leader [16:00] <Sophia40> Lupin is a good choice I think that He is a great ally for Harry [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> kingsley would be another choice, true [16:00] <FireboltPhoenix> Shacklebolt? That's an interesting option [16:00] <kpotter> most likely someone we don't know properly [16:00] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> no one will ever have dd's presense [16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> Shacklebolt is a new member isn't he? [16:00] <cbm> I think shack at this point is a soldier, not a leader [16:00] <Aislinn> I doubt Aberforth could step into that role [16:01] <fawkes28> Shacklebolt would be a good choice - we don't know too much about him [16:01] <ryplo2> what about Harry? as far as symbolic leadership...sorta stealing the idea from Fudge and Scrimgreur [16:01] <Aislinn> I think he joined when Arthur did [16:01] <fawkes28> yes, i think that would be interesting, kpotter [16:01] <roonwit> Aberforth probably knew Albus best, but he doesn't seem to have played a big part in the Order, and that might have been deliberate, so I don't see him leading the Order. [16:01] <Sophia40> Shacklebolt is needed more as a spy [16:01] <cbm> We do not know anything about aberforth, just that he likes goats and runs a bar [16:01] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> maybe headquarters will now be dd's office and his portrait could still act as leader! [16:01] <kpotter> I agree butterbeer - so do they will have to settle with a second choice [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> I still think it will be Arthur [16:01] <fawkes28> Yes, ryplo2, people have mentioned Harry - although I do not think that is likely [16:01] <lauraloo82> intersting theory butterbeer [16:02] <fawkes28> Dumbledore would never approve of Harry because he knows he has too many other things to do [16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Aislinn that was my thought, so I think that Arthur has a bigger chance for being more active [16:02] *** ministerkingsley has joined #lounge [16:02] <kpotter> Not Harry - he has other things to dio [16:02] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yeah harry will be way to busy [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> hey, ministerkingsley [16:02] <Aislinn> right, and even though he is the Chosen One, he is still mostly a boy to the rest of the Order [16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Harry knows too little to be a leader [16:02] <Sophia40> Harry is too young [16:02] <cbm> Unless DD chose Harry so that Harry could use the order to support him getting the horcruxes [16:02] <Aislinn> I doubt that they would want him to lead them, as he is so young [16:03] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> harry would be the best leader [16:03] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> he has had the most experince [16:03] <cbm> I agree, Aislinn, I just was putting out the possibility [16:03] <HARRYPOTTERFREAK265> and he was in charge of the DA [16:03] <Aislinn> I think that he will be important to whoever does end up being leader [16:03] <Sophia40> I really think that DH will not follow the Order only as it pertains to Harry [16:03] <ministerkingsley> he'll be too busy on the horcrux hunt to be leader [16:04] <FireboltPhoenix> Well, compared to some of the other candidates, Harry doesn't really have the "experience," per se [16:04] <Aislinn> Harry will be someone for the side of good, order members and creatures, to rally around [16:04] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> yes but his peers looked up to him, i dont see a bunch of fully grown qualified wizards listening to arry [16:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think the best possible leader would be one who allows harry to do his own thing, like roonwit [16:04] <Aislinn> agreed [16:04] <lauraloo82> could be Tonks, big suprise for everyone [16:04] <cbm> They listened in McG's office when talking about the funeral [16:04] <kpotter> yeah, the order needs an older leader with experience against the dark arts [16:04] <ministerkingsley> i think lupin [16:04] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think Harry has the view on how the order works mostly. How can you leade something you don't know? [16:04] <Theoriser> Now that Snape is gone, how will the Order gather information on Lord Voldemort and his activities? [16:05] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [16:05] <ryplo2> well, Harry would make a great symbolic leader, kind of second in command. but i still think Moody will be the best decision maker in going to battle [16:05] <FireboltPhoenix> Now that is a good question [16:05] <Aislinn> hi Spectre [16:05] <Sophia40> Arthur would let Harry do his own thing [16:05] <ProngsPatronus> hi, spectre [16:05] <Spectre> hi all, seems I missed much smile [16:05] <fawkes28> i think they will most likely find information second hand now [16:05] <Aislinn> hmmm, that is going to be a lot harder for them to do [16:05] <FireboltPhoenix> Maybe the Order has other spies in the DEs [16:05] <FireboltPhoenix> That we don't know about [16:05] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> he knows a lot about voldemort but remember has only known about the whole wizarding world for 6yrs, there is bound to be stuff harry still has to learn so I dont think he could be leader [16:05] <lauraloo82> I don't think snape has gone [16:05] <fawkes28> Snape was right in his inner circle so it will be more difficult for them to find out things [16:05] <kpotter> I agree Laura [16:05] <cbm> Was Snape really giving them information? [16:06] <Spectre> Snape still has access to 12 Grimmauld Place, doesn't he? [16:06] <MafaldaWeasley> That was what I was wondering Cbm [16:06] <Sophia40> Harry has his link to Voldemort al though he really doesn't use it [16:06] <ministerkingsley> even if snape isn't a DE he won't be able to pass info anymore [16:06] <Theoriser> he must have been or they would have been suspicious [16:06] <fawkes28> well, if that is the case, cbm, then they will not be missing much [16:06] <ministerkingsley> the order won't trust him anymore [16:06] <cbm> I think they are just as blind as they were before, just now they know that they are blind [16:06] <lauraloo82> Dumbledone seemed to know everything, so I think snape was feeding him info [16:06] <fawkes28> however, not having that "in" is going to hurt [16:06] <Aislinn> he does, spectre [16:06] <kpotter> Maybe they will get information through portraits [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder if someone else could be approached to spy [16:07] <FireboltPhoenix> Definitely, fawkes. The Order has lost a huge advantage, regardless of what Snape's true loyalties are. [16:07] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i know snape is a "good" as in competent wizard but i don't think hw could have fooled the greatest wizard ever which is dd [16:07] <cbm> The portraits still worry me, they would make a great spy! [16:07] <ryplo2> Aberforth is sitll in postion to "spy" [16:07] <Sophia40> I really think Snape stinks He is with LV [16:08] <ministerkingsley> what porttraits would be able to spy? [16:08] <ministerkingsley> we don't know where there HQ is. there mite not b portraits there [16:08] <Aislinn> the only portraits that could spy would be ones that have more than one location [16:08] <kpotter> the ones in Grimauld Place, also some of the Head [16:08] <cbm> butter, he has fooled one of the 2 most powerfull wizards of all time no matter what, why can't it be DD that was fooled [16:08] <lauraloo82> philleus [16:08] *** innkeeper_tom has joined #lounge [16:08] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> well phineus could have but he was on dd's side, where is DE headquarters? we dont know what portraits may be there [16:08] <Theoriser> A way to gain information about Voldemort is for someone to approach the Order from the outside. Narcissa seems desperate to help her son in any way. How could she benefit the Order and how could the Order benefit her? [16:09] <Aislinn> hi innkeeper_tom [16:09] <fawkes28> hello innkeeper_tom [16:09] <cbm> I think that any portrait can be a spy [16:09] <Sophia40> Who was Head master when LV was at school Deppit? [16:09] <innkeeper_tom> hi all! [16:09] <ProngsPatronus> hi, innkeepertom [16:09] <ryplo2> Mundungus would be a good spy since he's in Azkaban, maybe he'll go with the DE's when they break out again [16:09] <Aislinn> that's an interesting question [16:09] <Spectre> Yes, Dippet was the Headmaster [16:09] <ministerkingsley> yea dipppet [16:09] <fawkes28> i think she may get desperate and approach them [16:09] <Aislinn> I wonder if the Order would continue to offer her shelter, as dd tried to do [16:09] <FireboltPhoenix> I guess this is a question of whether Narcissa would really be that desperate [16:09] <ProngsPatronus> I think she will want a safe haven for her son [16:09] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> good point cbm, but i like the idea of him fooling LV better than him fooling DD [16:09] <fawkes28> however, i do not think she knows that much - but she may get information out of bellatrix to give to the Order to help her [16:09] <cbm> I think that seeing what an idiot Draco is, he will get in trouble and will need outside help to stay alive [16:10] <ministerkingsley> o don't think any knew DE's will b able to join and get enough important info [16:10] <Spectre> Narcissa might be able to get Kreacher more talkative, she's a Black after all [16:10] <Sophia40> So where are all of Deppits portraits any in the Riddle house or Malfoy house [16:10] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is a good point, Aislinn-- it was almost Dd's dying wish [16:10] <ryplo2> kreacher, that's a thought [16:10] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Narcissa doen't know that much. i think she knew what Draco told her [16:10] <lauraloo82> she loves her son, in the same way Lily loved Harry, i think she could help the order to protect her only son [16:10] <cbm> Maybe narcissa has a second portrait of Sirius;s mother [16:11] <ministerkingsley> dippet wasn't that important to the malfoys for them to have his portrait [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> if she does she has a terrible taste, cbm biggrin [16:11] <Spectre> Why hang an aunt's portrait in the house? 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[16:11] <Aislinn> that's a scary thought, cbm - 2 of those portraits
[16:11] <ryplo2> wow, i forgot, Kreacher and Dobby are still following Draco, i think they're the best for the "spy" job. especially since they can become invisible [16:11] <ministerkingsley> the DE HQ wouldn't b at the malfoys [16:11] <fawkes28> She needs to first convince Draco to go into hiding - which I think is a task in itself - she would only turn to the order for him [16:11] <cbm> I know [16:11] <Aislinn> good point, ryplo [16:11] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [16:11] <Aislinn> hi Puzzlepiece [16:11] <Puzzlepiece> hi! [16:11] <ProngsPatronus> hi, puzzlepiece [16:11] <Spectre> I wonder if Voldemort still uses the Crouch house [16:11] <FireboltPhoenix> I'd forgotten about Kreacher and Dobby until you just mentioned that, ryplo [16:11] <ministerkingsley> we don't know if dobby is still tailing draco [16:12] <kpotter> I agree fawkes [16:12] <Theoriser> Several members of the Order currently work for the Ministry of Magic, how is it beneficial that they remain in their positions? [16:12] <ministerkingsley> he mite but mite not [16:12] <Sophia40> Do we know that they still are? I keep forgetting that the are still there [16:12] <Spectre> They may have some "legal" help [16:12] <Aislinn> I think the Ministry is still more about appearance than substance [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> for most of them, I think it is critical [16:12] <Puzzlepiece> they give an insider view into fudge [16:12] <lauraloo82> so not to draw attention to harry's task [16:12] <Aislinn> so does not match the Order's goals, really [16:12] <FireboltPhoenix> I don't think that their positions really matter... apart from appearance, like Aislinn said [16:12] <cbm> So that someone in the ministry is competent [16:12] <Puzzlepiece> but still, many common wizards look up to the ministry [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> inside info on the Ministry doing. simce the Misnistry wants to break all the non Ministry organizations [16:12] <ryplo2> yes they are. the last time Harry talks to them, all he says is that Dobby can sometime sleep [16:12] <fawkes28> i think so too, Aislinn [16:12] <kpotter> very beneficial - they need to keep up with the ministry's actions [16:13] <Sophia40> Oh I think that they will still need to spy as [16:13] <Aislinn> so it's important to know what they are doing, as it may negatively impact what the Order is trying to accomplish [16:13] <fawkes28> I honestly think that some of them may abandon their positions as the war becomes more intense [16:13] <Spectre> Would they try and recruit some more Ministry folks, or it's too risky? [16:13] <Puzzlepiece> it will be very itneresting to see the ministry's position in the last book [16:13] <Aislinn> they may have more luck with that now, Spectre [16:13] <innkeeper_tom> @fawkes: why? [16:13] <Puzzlepiece> especially with more of Percy to com [16:13] <ministerkingsley> i think the ministry will be more figurehead like [16:14] <fawkes28> I think the jobs that they have for the ministry may cause them to focus on the war and perhaps leave their jobs [16:14] *** RudiusHagrid has joined #lounge [16:14] <FireboltPhoenix> I would say that the war is slowly going to trickle out of the Ministry's hands more and more [16:14] <Spectre> hi Rudius [16:14] <Aislinn> hey rudius [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> hello, Rudius [16:14] <RudiusHagrid> hi there [16:14] <Puzzlepiece> the ministry has a lot of power, whether or not those who have it personally are useful [16:14] <JaneMarple9> hi rudius [16:14] <innkeeper_tom> Hi Rudi [16:14] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think the ministry is that important unless they could recruite some unspeakables, they may have some useful info [16:14] <cbm> The ministry at the top is sick and filled with toadys, that makes the rest of it ineffective [16:14] <fawkes28> it is like having two full time jobs, and if they do not see any benefit to being at the Ministry, then some may leave [16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> and the ministry has spies.. [16:14] <Aislinn> we're talking about the members of the order who work for the ministry [16:14] <fawkes28> before it was just for appearance's sake - now i do not think some of them care [16:15] <Spectre> Arthur Weasley, Kingsley Shacklebolt... who more? [16:15] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [16:15] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [16:15] <Aislinn> Tonks [16:15] <cbm> tonks [16:15] <MafaldaWeasley> what about access to those rooms and to studies of all sources? I think it's important to have people at the Ministry [16:15] <Aislinn> not sure about some of the other folks that came to pick up Harry in OotP [16:15] <FireboltPhoenix> I was about to say Moody, but then, nevermind, Moody's retirecd. [16:15] <ministerkingsley> i thik tonks and kingsley will b able to recruit more aurors for the order [16:15] <ryplo2> Percy would be the perfect MoM spy...it'd be cool if this was all some sort of trick by the Arthur and Percy (remember the arguement they had) [16:15] <Sophia40> I really think that Scrimgor(sp?) will come to the Order for help as the war is intensified [16:15] <FireboltPhoenix> *retired [16:16] <ProngsPatronus> access to the hall of mysteries [16:16] <FireboltPhoenix> Hmmm, good point, ryplo, I've thought about that myself [16:16] <Aislinn> that would be cool, but i don't think it's likely, ryplo [16:16] <Theoriser> Jo has mentioned that there is an Order member that we have not “met properly” and that we will get to know in Deathly Hallows. Who do you think this person is? [16:16] *** roonwit has quit [Bye] [16:16] <Sophia40> Percy do really think that he will give up his own ambitions? [16:16] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP, so many things we still don't know [16:16] <cbm> I think percy is exactly what he appears to be, there is nothing to point the other way [16:16] <Spectre> A random thought - would Tonks try and join Lupin in his werewolf undercover mission? [16:16] <fawkes28> definitely aberforth [16:16] <Puzzlepiece> Diggles? [16:16] <Spectre> Aberforth Dumbledore, most probably [16:16] <RudiusHagrid> Alberforth Dumbledore [16:16] <Aislinn> Aberborth [16:16] <ryplo2> yes i agree it's unlikely myself....Percy [16:17] <ministerkingsley> aberforth [16:17] <cbm> Aberforth [16:17] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> Aberforth [16:17] <fawkes28> we have gotten plenty of hints from her - and it is about time we get to know him better [16:17] <lauraloo82> yes, i think so [16:17] <innkeeper_tom> tonks would fit [16:17] <Sophia40> Aberforth definetly [16:17] <FireboltPhoenix> Aberforth, and with that, I think we'll get some more info about dear old Albus. [16:17] <cbm> this is the only reason I think he may end up leading the order [16:17] <Spectre> and goats! smile [16:17] <ministerkingsley> how do we know the barman is aberforth? is it just a guess [16:17] <cbm> the goat man is my 3rd choice [16:18] <fawkes28> especially now that DD is dead - people are going to want to connect with him [16:18] <RudiusHagrid> it was originally hinted [16:18] <ProngsPatronus> JKR has confirmed that [16:18] <ryplo2> i don't see who else he could be...the barman was at the funeral and looks like DD [16:18] <RudiusHagrid> and then confirmed by Jo in the Memerson interview [16:18] <Theoriser> it's been hinted at so much, and I can't think of anyone else it could be [16:18] <Puzzlepiece> How can he be that useful? DD is mostly self taught, and wasn't even sure if AD could read [16:18] <ministerkingsley> k i didnt know she confimed it [16:18] <Spectre> AD can count, at least smile [16:19] <cbm> I think DD was kidding puzzle [16:19] <kpotter> reading doesn't make you have great abilities [16:19] <FireboltPhoenix> I thought he was too [16:19] <Puzzlepiece> But it means that he probably didnt go to Hogwarts [16:19] <RudiusHagrid> many a true word is spoken in jest [16:19] <Sophia40> Jo has been generous with the hints to make us think that it is Aberforth is this a Red herring [16:19] <ryplo2> Aberforth can be helpful in the same way Mundungus can, he leads a shady bar [16:19] <Puzzlepiece> could he be a squib that discovers powers later in life? [16:20] <ministerkingsley> no he practiced charms on goats [16:20] <Spectre> well, Aberforth was prosecuted for "usage of unappropriate charms", he's not a squib [16:20] <Puzzlepiece> inappropriate charms [16:20] <Puzzlepiece> o right [16:20] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> oooooo wasnt that another hint, about someone realising they had powers in this book, im sure i read that somewhere [16:20] <Theoriser> Aberforth Dumbledore has worked as the barman in Hog’s Head for many years and has passed on information before to his brother. What do you think Aberforth knows that he has not shared yet? [16:20] <Spectre> so maybe he DID go to Hogwarts smile [16:20] <cbm> plus I do not think a squib could keep control of that bar [16:20] <FireboltPhoenix> I think he knows a lot of juicy secrets about DD [16:20] <lauraloo82> what about Petunia? [16:20] <fawkes28> i think he knows more about snape [16:20] <Sophia40> I think he knows about the Horcruxes [16:21] <cbm> I think that DD knew everything that Aberforth did [16:21] <Spectre> What Black property Mundungus had when Harry met him the last time [16:21] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> maybe he knows something about RAB [16:21] <RudiusHagrid> jo has said Petunia will not do magic [16:21] <ministerkingsley> he mite have the locket from dung [16:21] *** innkeeper_tom left #lounge [] [16:21] <ministerkingsley> i think either dudley or figg does magic [16:21] <Sophia40> I think it will be Dudley that does magick [16:22] <RudiusHagrid> if he got the locket from dung surelt he would have passed it on to his brother? [16:22] <fawkes28> you guys are right - i am sure he knows something about horcruxes and RAB [16:22] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he knows abut the horcruxes as well, I think he is more likely to be aware of DD's business so he could be a better guy on watch if he knew what to look [16:22] <ProngsPatronus> please stick to the question at hand, thanks! [16:22] <ministerkingsley> he mite not have known it was a horcrux [16:22] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> plus we dont know what relationship the two of them had [16:22] <cbm> DD said that Harry was the only please he had told about the horcruxes, so I do not think that aberforth knows about them [16:22] <ryplo2> off the subject, i'm sorry but i have to say it. Aberforth will give Harry the knowledge of what happened at GH's hollow. i think we meet him when Harry goes to meet his parents [16:22] <fawkes28> He doesn't know as much as DD; however, he knows more than most people [16:23] <Spectre> Aberforth might also tell something about the original group of Death Eaters [16:23] <Puzzlepiece> thats an interesting thought spectre [16:23] <ryplo2> i'm sorry, when i said meet his parents, i meant they're graves [16:23] <cbm> It's late, I have to go [16:23] <cbm> bye [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> Aberforth sees a lot of people--even De's have to drink now and then. he may have an idea where Voldemort is hiding [16:23] <fawkes28> noooo [16:23] <RudiusHagrid> bye cbm [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> bye, cbm [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> bye cbm [16:23] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> bye cbm [16:23] <Sophia40> Aberforth could be who had the Invisabilty Cloak [16:23] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [16:23] <ministerkingsley> bye [16:23] <fawkes28> sad [16:23] <Spectre> Those who were at Hog's Head when Voldemort came to apply for DADA job [16:24] <Theoriser> coach speculates that Aberforth’s role in the Order, thus far, has been one of personal support for Dumbledore. How do you see his role changing for the Order now that his brother is dead? [16:24] <ryplo2> he could have info on snape maybe... [16:24] <ministerkingsley> y would he have had the cloak [16:24] <fawkes28> people at the hog's head talk because they do not suspect, the barman is connected to Dumbledore [16:24] <Puzzlepiece> Its interesting if you think about the fact that is was Aberforth who cut short the amount of prophecy Snape heard [16:24] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> he could be made leader [16:24] <Sophia40> He will take a more active role [16:25] <fawkes28> I think he will come out of the woodwork because he has lost his brother and will want to do what it takes to destroy voldemort [16:25] <Aislinn> I think he may be an important source of information [16:25] <ryplo2> yes! i forgot about the prophecy [16:25] <Spectre> he may turn Hog's Head into the new Order HQ and become the Secret Keeper [16:25] <lauraloo82> i think he may help Harry [16:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think people will see the resemblance to DD in him--and keep DD's memory in the forefront for the Order [16:25] <MafaldaWeasley> It's even more interesting that we had never seen him on the mettings the order had, like he was always apart. I think his business was more really with his brother. [16:25] <RudiusHagrid> Alberforth strikes me more as a loner - many of the order dont know much about him [16:25] <Spectre> and Dung [16:25] <RudiusHagrid> I dont think he'll take a more active role, [16:25] <fawkes28> I think Dumbledore wanted to keep it that way with Aberforth until the time was right [16:26] <FireboltPhoenix> Aberforth could help Harry, but I don't think he'll really take a more active role in the Order [16:26] <RudiusHagrid> but i think he will continue passsing info, but instead of to Albus, to Harry [16:26] *** HARRYPOTTERFREAK265 has quit [Bye] [16:26] <Sophia40> Jo said that DD borrowed the cloak and I feel Aberforth has something to do with it too [16:26] <ProngsPatronus> that's an interesting idea, fawkes [16:26] *** ministerkingsley left #lounge [] [16:27] <lauraloo82> he may know DD's plans and be able to advise harry, not help necessarily [16:27] <Puzzlepiece> when she said that, could it be implying a different Dumbledore, ie not Albus? [16:27] <ryplo2> i think that DD definately gave something to Aberforth in his will, maybe a bezoar since he couldn't get it out of the goat.. lol [16:27] <fawkes28> no one person is going to be able to tell Harry exactly what to do - Harry needs to do it for himself - dumbledore would never want to spell it out for harry step by step [16:27] <RudiusHagrid> lol [16:27] <Sophia40> I think might know alot about where Harry needs to look and who he needs to cinnect with [16:28] <Theoriser> Will Dumbledore’s death, help or hinder the Order’s ability to recruit new members? [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, I wonder why he has done that Fawkes...and hy Dung was the one who connected most with Abeforth. I know Dung is the one with lame connections, btu even so. [16:28] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i agree fawkes, he's always wanted to see if harry could do it by himself [16:28] <lauraloo82> but without DD's advice Harry would have been stuck, so he may seek more advice [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think it might bring new people to the Order [16:28] <Aislinn> it may help in the long run - people may see that he is not there to protect them anymore, so they need to step up to protect themselves and their loved ones [16:28] <JaneMarple9> it mighgt bring the order together [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> people who are incensed by his death, and want to do something [16:28] <fawkes28> it could go either way really [16:28] <JaneMarple9> yes might bring in new members too [16:29] <Sophia40> DD had alot of followers as the Only one LV feared so that is an interesting question [16:29] <fawkes28> it could cause anger in people and will want to do whatever it takes to win [16:29] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> but i think a lot of people will be shocked and scared by his death [16:29] <Theoriser> I think it might do either - people might be even more scared to join, or they might have a stronger motive for fighting [16:29] <kpotter> it will only help if more people learn about the Order - it seems that it is not a very public group [16:29] <Spectre> It may help with the Ministry folks, in a way [16:29] <fawkes28> or it could cause people to withdraw and hide [16:29] <lauraloo82> people might become reckless [16:29] <RudiusHagrid> It might scare them away - id DD can be killed so can they [16:29] <JaneMarple9> the parents of Hogwarts students might join the order [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> I think the Order will find out who their friends are [16:29] *** Puzzlepiece left #lounge [] [16:29] <RudiusHagrid> i dont think the order is that widely known [16:30] <Sophia40> It might unite the people or drive them into hiding [16:30] <Spectre> Would Slughorn join after Dumbledore's death? He seemed obviously very deeply hurt [16:30] <Aislinn> probably not, rudius [16:30] <ryplo2> DD's death will hinder the ability of the Order to get the centaurs, giants, and other Magical creatures [16:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that people will see that nobody is safe now, and it will be hard to trust others. i think this may make harder even for the Order to accept new members. I think the question should be, will the order want new members? will they deal well with the supposed betrayl of snape [16:30] <RudiusHagrid> its a case of a member coming to you, not you going to the head office and applying [16:30] <fawkes28> i think they will want new members, malfada [16:30] <fawkes28> although they may be more careful as to who they select wink [16:31] <RudiusHagrid> lol [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> a little veritaserum in their firewhiskey [16:31] <Sophia40> I don't think they will trust easily though [16:31] <RudiusHagrid> *cough*snape*cough* [16:31] <fawkes28> lol - rudi - now i didn't say that did i? laugh [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they will not trust anybody now on. i think if they have new members will be people they knew before and with a clean past [16:31] <Theoriser> Recruitment is a big factor in keeping the Order alive in order to fight against Voldemort and his supporters. One type of recruitment has been through the giants, which was unsuccessful. Will Hagrid try once more to recruit and will he be successful? [16:31] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i think they may recruit as they will need more numbers but not enlighten all the new members with all important info in case of spies [16:31] <RudiusHagrid> sorry, did i say something? I was clearing my throat... smile [16:32] <FireboltPhoenix> I don't think that Hagrid will try again [16:32] <Aislinn> I wonder if he could use Grawp to do so [16:32] <Sophia40> I think Grawp will help now that he is domesticated hahahah [16:32] <fawkes28> I think Hagrid may focus on Grawp [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Hagrid will go to the giants again--he is needed at Hogwarts [16:32] <RudiusHagrid> the giant episode was a bit of a failure [16:32] <Spectre> For some reason, I think Madame Maxime will die, maybe trying to do something with giants. We already lost two Headmasters - Karkaroff and Dumbledore... [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> but I do think there will be recruitment of non-wizards [16:33] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> non-wizards, really? [16:33] *** HedwigJune has joined #lounge [16:33] <Sophia40> Karkaroff is he dead? [16:33] <Aislinn> I think there will be recruitment from the other schools [16:33] <RudiusHagrid> they could try and get the centaurs, but they are uninterested in the wizarding world, and will prove dificult to recruit [16:33] <Spectre> Yes, Karkaroff was "found dead" in the beginning of HBP [16:33] <lauraloo82> will Krum return? [16:33] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> they have firenxe maybe he could help [16:33] <HedwigJune> Jo said he would [16:33] <Sophia40> Oh I think that the other schools will help We do know that Krum is back in DH [16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> we will see Krum, if he's returning or something else is unknown [16:34] <RudiusHagrid> firenze is ousted by the centaurs, they will try and kill him on sight [16:34] <Spectre> Was Grindelwald a Headmaster of Durmstrang at one point? [16:34] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> do u reckon people from beuxbatons and durmstrang will join, fleur would have contact with people [16:34] <Sophia40> Oh I need to read that again I am finishing OotP now [16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> interesting thought Spectre [16:34] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> and hermione is still in touch with krum [16:35] <Theoriser> Goblins suffered losses because of Voldemort in the last war; however, they do not trust wizards either. How likely is it that Bill Weasley will persuade them to join the fight against Voldemort with the Order? [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is very likely [16:35] <Spectre> Maybe, they'll give away Ludo Bagman to them? smile [16:35] <lauraloo82> quite likely [16:35] <ryplo2> i think the goblins will play sides...like snape [16:35] <RudiusHagrid> goblins would join if its to their benefit [16:35] <FireboltPhoenix> I think there could be a chance that the goblins will help out [16:35] <Sophia40> I think that they will finally choose who they are for [16:35] <RudiusHagrid> the question is how far is the ministry willing to go to get the goblin suport [16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> well, Lv break into their bank and got ride of it on book one. i think they want some pay back [16:35] <fawkes28> I actually think that Bill can persuade them [16:36] <Aislinn> I'm hopeful that bill and fleur will help prod them to the good side [16:36] <fawkes28> I think Voldemort will do something stupid [16:36] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [16:36] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> well if part of the book takes part in gringotts (judging by the theories on the front cover of book 7) the goblins may well join in a fight [16:36] <fawkes28> which will cause them to turn to the order [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> hi, ph [16:36] <Spectre> Make goblin pies? biggrin [16:36] <ph63915> evening all [16:36] <ryplo2> fudge likes those [16:36] <Sophia40> The are all about personal gain I hope the good side offers more hahahha [16:36] <MafaldaWeasley> LV already entered the bank and break into a vault without consequences [16:36] <Spectre> Or a DE raid on Gringotts? [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> they may not want to side with the ministry, but I think they will help the Order [16:37] <ryplo2> well...LV might be using Ollivander for making wands for the goblins [16:37] <FireboltPhoenix> Yeah, that's a good point. There could be advantages to the Order keeping themselves separate from the Ministry. [16:37] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think they will take sides unless they have to [16:37] <RudiusHagrid> it could tie in to the whole treatment of other species - if the MoM allows goblins to carry wands, then the goblins would join up [16:37] <HedwigJune> it would have to be something big to get the goblins to join our side: just like it took "something as big as a troll" to get Hermione to become friendss with Ron and Harry [16:37] <Spectre> Goblin and house elf statues bringing in Fudge... is it foreshadowing of some sort? [16:37] <MafaldaWeasley> or something precious is stolen from them [16:37] <lauraloo82> they won't have forgotten the loses [16:38] <Theoriser> In Goblet of Fire, we are introduced to international witches and wizards. Why would these people be invested in joining the Order? Who would recruit them? [16:38] <Spectre> Bill, Charlie, Fleur, Krum maybe [16:38] <FireboltPhoenix> I would say that they would be invested in the fight because Voldemort, at this point, is an international threat [16:38] <Sophia40> I think Fleur and Krum are good canidates [16:38] <ryplo2> LV might give them wands though [16:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the friendshipbond is more important [16:38] <JaneMarple9> Fleur [16:38] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> fleur could recruit people from beuxbatons and hermione durmstrang through Krum [16:38] <RudiusHagrid> Voldemort is not going to stop at Great Britain [16:39] <Spectre> Maxime [16:39] <fawkes28> I think people fear him coming into their countries and causing destruction [16:39] <JaneMarple9> she could use her veela charms [16:39] <lauraloo82> and they may know information as LV did travel [16:39] <JaneMarple9> yes maxime too [16:39] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> However durmstrang may have people joiing LV as they had karkoroff as head [16:39] <Spectre> Karkaroff is DEAD [16:39] <RudiusHagrid> Karakoff did not seem popular there [16:39] <FireboltPhoenix> Krum could be an asset to getting Durmstrang people to join the "good" side, though. [16:39] <JaneMarple9> krum will help too yes [16:40] <RudiusHagrid> so i think Durmstrang is an open field for recruitment on both sides [16:40] <Sophia40> I don't think that LV will stop at Britian He is much like Hitler Iin world domination [16:40] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i know he is dead now but he would have had influence when he was alive [16:40] <Spectre> And knowing that Karkaroff was murdered by Death Eaters would turn Durmstrang against Voldy [16:40] <ryplo2> who says krum is on the good side [16:40] <Theoriser> Of the students who have recently left Hogwarts, who is most likely to become a member? [16:40] <Spectre> Fred and George [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> Fred and George [16:40] <lauraloo82> ditto [16:40] <RudiusHagrid> Fred, George, Ginny [16:40] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> ditto [16:40] <FireboltPhoenix> That's what I was about to say: Fred and George [16:40] <fawkes28> i think Katie Bell might - after the necklace incident [16:40] <JaneMarple9> fred and george [16:40] <Sophia40> Fred and Goerge [16:40] <RudiusHagrid> Neville [16:40] <Spectre> Cho? [16:41] <MafaldaWeasley> Percy, Fred and George [16:41] <fawkes28> she is a gryffindor after all - she will want to fight [16:41] <RudiusHagrid> Luna [16:41] <JaneMarple9> suprised the twins haven't joined yet [16:41] <ryplo2> oliver wood [16:41] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think percy [16:41] <FireboltPhoenix> I don't think Cho will join [16:41] <RudiusHagrid> the others dont know about the order [16:41] <Sophia40> Oliver yeah! [16:41] <JaneMarple9> i think you have to have left hogwarts to join [16:41] <lauraloo82> been great chatting but I must go, bye all [16:41] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> oh yeah good point [16:41] <Spectre> bye laura [16:41] <RudiusHagrid> you have to be of age [16:41] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> bye [16:41] <fawkes28> she may join for cedric but it is doubtful [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> what about Angelina Johnson? [16:41] <JaneMarple9> so not harry hermione ron ginny etc [16:41] <FireboltPhoenix> bye laura [16:41] *** lauraloo82 left #lounge [] [16:41] <JaneMarple9> yes possible [16:41] <fawkes28> Angelina probably would [16:41] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Jane, you must have age and be a formed wizard [16:41] <Spectre> The whole former Gryffindor team smile [16:42] <JaneMarple9> and oliver wood? [16:42] <FireboltPhoenix> Angelina's a possibility. [16:42] <FireboltPhoenix> Maybe Oliver [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> that would be nice if Oliver joined [16:42] <Sophia40> Well if Harry doesn't go back to school [16:42] <Spectre> Oliver, Angelina, Katie, Alicia [16:42] <ph63915> Hurrah for Olly Wood [16:42] <MafaldaWeasley> but Dd made some exceptions in the past [16:42] <Aislinn> Yes, I could see any o fHarry's team mates joining [16:42] <JaneMarple9> katie's a distinct possibility - she's of age [16:42] <JaneMarple9> she was older than harry [16:42] <Spectre> Cormac MacLaggen, anyone? biggrin [16:42] <RudiusHagrid> in which case the order need only challenge voldy to a game od quiddich [16:42] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> oooo if wood is back in the book that means he'll be back in the film- yummy! [16:43] <JaneMarple9> cho? no can't see it [16:43] <FireboltPhoenix> MacLaggen isn't old enough, is he? [16:43] <ProngsPatronus> not after the debacle with her friend and the DA, Jane, I agree [16:43] <Sophia40> *puke! Cho? [16:43] <fawkes28> he should be by now [16:43] <Spectre> He's a year older than Harry, so he's of age and left Hogwarts [16:43] <RudiusHagrid> Harry's year and earlier will now be eligible [16:43] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> All the underage wizards could form their own OoTP like moving on from the DA [16:43] <Theoriser> Will the Order allow the Trio to join? If they are denied, will this further alienate them from everyone? [16:43] <JaneMarple9> no [16:44] <JaneMarple9> no exceptions smile [16:44] <Spectre> If Hogwarts won't reopen... maybe [16:44] <FireboltPhoenix> I don't think that the Trio will be allowed to join. [16:44] <RudiusHagrid> no theyre now of age [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think they will be allowed to join [16:44] <Aislinn> I think the trio is going to be focused on the Horcrux hunt, and will not try to join [16:44] <RudiusHagrid> so they can join [16:44] <kpotter> I don't think they will try to join - they have other business to attend to [16:44] <Sophia40> I really think that they will be doing there own thing [16:44] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think they'll want to join harry will be too busy with the horcruxes [16:44] <fawkes28> I think they will join but I think they will focus on their task just like everyone else has one [16:44] <Sophia40> I wonder if the Order will help Harry in his search [16:44] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think they will join the order, since the order and the hocrux hunting will be separated things as DD planned [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think they will be asked, though--not so sure they would accept [16:45] <RudiusHagrid> theyll need to join to tap into the resources of the order [16:45] <RudiusHagrid> find out what the ministry is up to [16:45] <Spectre> maybe Hermione and/or Ron will join, and Harry won't [16:45] <RudiusHagrid> find out what the DE's are up to as far as the order knows [16:45] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think they'll need to join for the order to be behind them [16:45] <ph63915> I'm not sure the order will help, i can imagine some of the more protective members trying to stop Harry from putting himself at risk [16:46] <FireboltPhoenix> Assuming that Hogwarts doesn't reopen, they won't have finished their seventh year... I know they're of age, but that might be a restriction. [16:46] <RudiusHagrid> Harry was willing to join as far back as OotP i think he'll join [16:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Nbveille would join the order if he could [16:46] <Aislinn> definitely, mafalda [16:46] <RudiusHagrid> not everyone does the full 7 years [16:46] <Theoriser> Hogwarts is a major target for attack by Voldemort whether or not Harry is there. How will the Order go about protecting the school? [16:46] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> things have changed since oOTP harry didnt know about the horcruxes then [16:46] <Aislinn> I think they will continue to have members stationed there [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think the Order will fill the vacancies at the school [16:47] <Spectre> They'll have to guard the Room of Requirement or have a raid on Borgin & Burks [16:47] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:47] <FireboltPhoenix> That'll depend on whether the school reopens or not, I think [16:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i think this will be a Ministry task not the order's. I think we will see many many aurors at the schooll [16:47] <Spectre> Malfoy's Vanishing Cabinet apparently still works [16:47] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> will the school stay open, what if no one sends their kids there after what happened to dumbledore, there was talk of closing it at the end of hbp [16:47] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm sure they will have that covered by the time the school reopens [16:48] <Sophia40> I just don't know if Jo will close the school [16:48] <ProngsPatronus> as far as we know, those decrees from Umbridge are still in force [16:48] <ph63915> I think hogwarts will become the orders basecamp [16:48] <kpotter> I don't know what other protections they can use aside from what was there in the previous books [16:48] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> harry is not going back so i dont think most of the story will be about hogworts [16:48] <ProngsPatronus> if so, the Order will have to fill those spots, so that the Ministry doesn't [16:48] <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good point, Prongs. [16:49] <Theoriser> The Order has spend a great deal of time these past few years protecting Harry. However, Harry seems determined not to tell anyone his task of destroying the Horcruxes. How will this effect the Order’s ability to protect Harry? [16:49] <RudiusHagrid> NO, the govenors of Hogwarts will need to hire a headmanster [16:49] <Spectre> Dumbledore dispelled some protection charms when returning on brooms with Harry... which ones, it's interesting [16:49] <RudiusHagrid> and he/she will fill the positions [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> Minerva will have to get rid of those cabinets, for starters, and renew the apparating charm [16:49] <FireboltPhoenix> If the Order doesn't know the full truth of what Harry is doing, I think their protection of him will be limited [16:49] <Sophia40> I like the idea that Hogwarts will be the base ooohhhh [16:49] <Aislinn> I think the Order members may aid Harry with information and knowledge, but not protection [16:50] <butterbeerwithafirewhiskychase> i dont think he wants the orders protection [16:50] <fawkes28> I think the Order needs to realize that Harry is of age and can do what he wants [16:50] <RudiusHagrid> he wont want to have them at risk [16:50] <MafaldaWeasley> A lot. DD separeted things for a reason: the security of the order's members, the security of harry and he is trying to bought harry time to go after the horcruxes before LV notice what he is doing. [16:50] <ph63915> I think the order will get in his way [16:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think the time to protect harry has passed--or will on his birthday [16:50] <kpotter> He will have limited protection unless someone other than Dumbledore knew about the Horcruxes [16:50] <Aislinn> agreed, prongs [16:50] <fawkes28> They really cannot stop him but perhaps give/teach him ways to contact them if he needs them [16:50] <Aislinn> I wonder if that would be part of dd's message to the order - let Harry get on with what he needs to do. [16:50] <FireboltPhoenix> Dumbledore's death, to me, was a symbol of the fact that Harry has to go on his own now, pretty much. [16:50] <fawkes28> Harry has his friends and will depend on them now - his mentor has died and he has accepted that [16:51] <Theoriser> How can the Order help Harry with his quest? [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> however, the Order can provide significant intelligence/support [16:51] <RudiusHagrid> Harry was offered Aurors and he turned them down as he didnt want to see them hurt as much as he didnt want Mimistry interference [16:51] <Spectre> By not interfering smile [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> they can let him do what he must, for starters [16:52] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Spectre [16:52] <fawkes28> read my mind, spectre [16:52] <Aislinn> agreed [16:52] <kpotter> I don't think it will - they have other things which are their priorities [16:52] <FireboltPhoenix> I would say that there's probably not much that the Order can do... besides maybe keeping Voldie distracted. [16:52] <fawkes28> i think just listening to him, if he needs it - fighting Harry is just going to drive Harry further and further away [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think at some time, he will need to get to the locked room and the veil--and the Order can help with that [16:52] <Sophia40> I think they need to tell him everything they know [16:52] <RudiusHagrid> they can be information sources and an infrastructure for him - providing places to stay, food etc, [16:52] <Spectre> Give Harry a dragon? smile [16:52] <ph63915> the order may well give some guidance, i.e. where godric hollow is for starters [16:53] <RudiusHagrid> but in the actual tasks at hand, Harry will have to rely on his own wit [16:53] <fawkes28> yes, rudi - that is exactly what they can do [16:53] <fawkes28> it is up to Harry if he asks for information about the past [16:53] <Aislinn> I think that there are a lot of skilled members in the Order and they may be able to offer guidance and help - Bill with curse breaking for instance. [16:53] <Theoriser> Vanquishing Voldemort is an almost impossible task. Who in the Order is it most likely that Harry will turn to for guidance and for what reason? [16:53] <RudiusHagrid> and we know harry doesnt like asking questions to adults [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> Lupin [16:54] <Spectre> Lupin, Moody maybe [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> Arthur [16:54] <Theoriser> if I was him, Lupin [16:54] <MafaldaWeasley> lupin and the weasleys. [16:54] <Sophia40> Lupin Moody and Bill [16:54] <ryplo2> harry trusts arthur...for the most part...and lupin [16:54] <Aislinn> He really trusts Lupin and Arthur both [16:54] <FireboltPhoenix> I would say Lupin, probably... or Arthur. Harry trusts them the most. [16:54] <kpotter> Lupin - he has already turned to Lupin for advice and help [16:54] <Aislinn> bill has information he needs [16:55] <ryplo2> what info Aislinn? [16:55] <ph63915> dumbledores portrait? [16:55] <MafaldaWeasley> not only Arthur but also Molly, she is a Prewett after all [16:55] <Aislinn> curse breaking skills [16:55] <Aislinn> Harry will have to break curses on the Horcruxes [16:55] <ryplo2> oh..duh...sorry [16:55] <Spectre> Aberforth [16:55] <fawkes28> i can see Lupin - because he has always trusted him and guided him [16:55] <fawkes28> I think Lupin has one last lesson to teach Harry [16:55] <Sophia40> curse breaking is going to be big for Harry [16:56] <MafaldaWeasley> what is it, fawkes? [16:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think Lupin will have the info about Lily that harry needs [16:56] <Spectre> was curse breaking involved when Harry destroyed the diary? [16:56] <JaneMarple9> that could be interesting prongs [16:56] <fawkes28> Teachers never stop teaching - he can always teach Harry something [16:56] <ph63915> I think he needs Snapes advice as well, but whether he can bring himself to ask.... [16:56] <Theoriser> Dumbledore was valued highly among the members of the Order and they are distraught by his death, especially because it was caused by a member of the Order. Will the Order make it their personal mission to find and kill Severus Snape? [16:56] <Aislinn> not for that one, spectre, no [16:56] <JaneMarple9> we may know th answer to the significance to lily's eyes [16:57] <RudiusHagrid> most definitely [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think Moody will, definitely [16:57] <Aislinn> I think that Snape is a marked man [16:57] <Spectre> Lupin would... [16:57] <kpotter> yes [16:57] <JaneMarple9> errrrr.....yes biggrin [16:57] <FireboltPhoenix> I agree with Aislinn. Snape has made himself a marked man. [16:57] <fawkes28> oh, yes - I think some of them definitely want revenge [16:57] <MafaldaWeasley> I believe so, Moody made it personal to Rosier once [16:57] <JaneMarple9> Moody will consider his duty [16:57] <FireboltPhoenix> Even if he and DD planned the whole thing, the other Order members won't know that. [16:57] <fawkes28> He is just buying his time now [16:57] <Spectre> Harry smile [16:57] <Sophia40> Snape is dead meat [16:58] <fawkes28> I do not even think Moody would ask questions if he met Snape in a dark alley [16:58] <JaneMarple9> Lupin? He was at school with Snape, I don't think he could bring himself to hurt him [16:58] <ProngsPatronus> I do [16:58] <fawkes28> Lupin is quiet but I think he could - he was ready to kill Peter [16:58] <JaneMarple9> oh yes snape's a marked man! [16:58] <RudiusHagrid> Harry needs to concentrate at the task at hand - snape will come to him when the time is right [16:58] <ryplo2> that is a good question...what will they do? i think they are more about LV still...since it all starts with him [16:58] <Sophia40> The spinner is spunned [16:58] <Spectre> Snape's a DARK marked man smile [16:58] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [16:58] <Sophia40> Spunned hahahahaha [16:58] <RudiusHagrid> lol [16:58] <ph63915> i think they will want to capture and interrogate him [16:58] <Theoriser> Based on current Order members, who is most likely to survive? Who is most likely to die? [16:58] <fawkes28> I do not think it will be their primary task - but they are definitely going to keep their eyes out for him [16:58] <RudiusHagrid> the spinner met his end [16:59] <JaneMarple9> w00t2 The end of Snape! Yay! [16:59] <fawkes28> One of the Weasleys will most likely die sad [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> Snape , Lupin [16:59] <JaneMarple9> Moody? [16:59] <MafaldaWeasley> yes [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> maybe even Moody [16:59] <FireboltPhoenix> I'm not too confident about Lupin's fate :-( [16:59] <Sophia40> Percy? [16:59] <JaneMarple9> perhaps one of the weasleys [16:59] <Spectre> Tonks... [16:59] <fawkes28> me either, FireboltPhoenix [16:59] <JaneMarple9> Lupin sad [16:59] <MafaldaWeasley> no,not Moody but one of the Weasleys [16:59] <Aislinn> OK, too depressing to consider [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> I think that most of them may die, to make way for the new order [16:59] <fawkes28> Percy isn't in the Order [16:59] <Spectre> Kingsley, trying to defend the Muggle Prime Minister [17:00] <JaneMarple9> the weasley family is all in danger [17:00] <ryplo2> i don't think it will be hard to find Snape, if Kreacher and Dobby are following Draco, because Snape will probably be with Draco [17:00] <fawkes28> survivors - I will say Tonks - it is hard to really say any of them definitely [17:00] <Sophia40> oh yay I would like him to be the one to die [17:00] <ph63915> im hoping tonks survives, im waiting for the "wotcha harry" after the final battle [17:00] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think Lupin will die [17:00] <JaneMarple9> kingsley yes and obviously snape [17:00] <FireboltPhoenix> I'd say that Shacklebolt is a likely survivor [17:00] <fawkes28> see all of Harry's mentors seem to die - so Lupin and Hagrid are goners [17:00] <JaneMarple9> perhaps tonks but i hope she and lupin survive myself [17:00] <RudiusHagrid> i think snape was originally slated to die, but got the reprieve [17:00] <Aislinn> This has been a great chat folks! Nice to see new faces in here, and i hope you all come back for future chats! [17:01] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Hagrid is gone but not Lupin [17:01] <Spectre> Hagrid dying together with Maxime? [17:01] <JaneMarple9> oh poor hagrid - he could go either way [17:01] <RudiusHagrid> i think remus and toks will die [17:01] <fawkes28> I think Hagrid is most likely to die as it is currently the red stage for Alchemy and Hagrid's name means red sad [17:01] <ryplo2> yes, Lupin is what i consider the story teller of the series...he should survive both wars [17:01] <ProngsPatronus> time for a group ghug before you leave! [17:01] <RudiusHagrid> tonks [17:01] <Spectre> I still think we'd lose all the Headmasters that were at the Triwizard Cup [17:01] * JaneMarple9 prepares for the hugs smile [17:01] <fawkes28> Our next chat is on Wednesday at 7 pm EST smile [17:01] <FireboltPhoenix> Group hug! haha [17:01] <ProngsPatronus> (hugs) [17:01] <Spectre> hugs smile [17:01] <FireboltPhoenix> smile [17:01] <RudiusHagrid> *hugs* [17:01] <MafaldaWeasley> he already suffer too much, Lupin [17:01] <Aislinn> Time to wrap up now, thanks for coming [17:01] * fawkes28 hugs the group [17:01] <fawkes28> Bye all! [17:01] <FireboltPhoenix> *hugs the group* [17:01] <MafaldaWeasley> Bye everyone. Happy mother's day for the mom over here [17:01] <JaneMarple9> (((Corner Boothers old and new))))) [17:01] <FireboltPhoenix> Bye everyone! [17:02] <Sophia40> Hugs to all [17:02] <RudiusHagrid> bye all [17:02] <Theoriser> bye everyone! [17:02] <Aislinn> yes - Happy Mother's Day! [17:02] <Spectre> bye! 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