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Post-Prince Predictions Chat: Lily’s Secret December 31, 2006 Today’s Chat Moderators Were: Expelliarmas, fawkes28, futureweasly, Mr. McGonagall, and SoonerGryffindor [14:56] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [14:56] *** Topic is: The room is open, but chat will not be turned on until scheduled time for P3 Chat on Sunday at 3pm EST [14:56] *** Topic set by SoonerGryffindor [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [14:56] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:58] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [14:59] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:59] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [15:00] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:00] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Lily's Secret (Expelliarmas) [15:00] <futureweasley> hi guys! [15:00] <Expelliarmas> Welcome to today's chat! [15:00] <harryfreak359> Hi everyone smile [15:00] <Expelliarmas> oh, that's better [15:00] <Greeneyes15> hi!!! [15:01] <futureweasley> how are we doing? [15:01] <fawkes28> woo hoo! first time i get to see mr. m with his mod sign! [15:01] <harryfreak359> Good, good, [15:01] *** tojorus_pur has joined #lounge [15:01] <futureweasley> hello tojorus [15:01] *** daretodream2 has joined #lounge [15:01] <fawkes28> i mean wa-hey-wooty-woo hoo [15:01] <futureweasley> hi daretodream [15:01] <daretodream2> hi [15:01] <harryfreak359> Hi daretodream [15:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, daretodream! [15:02] <Greeneyes15> hi dartodream [15:03] <Greeneyes15> i'll be right back! [15:03] <tojorus_pur> hello!! [15:03] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [15:03] <tojorus_pur> ok lets talk about lily [15:03] <harryfreak359> hi tojorus pur [15:03] <tojorus_pur> hi harryfreak259 [15:03] <tojorus_pur> 359* [15:04] <fawkes28> you can call her hf for short - much easier to type for me smile [15:04] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [15:04] <harryfreak359> Yes, hf is good smile [15:04] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [15:04] <fawkes28> hehe [15:04] <fawkes28> hi nymph [15:04] <futureweasley> hi nympheart [15:04] <MrMcGonagall> We all use abbreviations here. [15:04] <nympheart> hello [15:04] <harryfreak359> hi nympheart [15:04] <tojorus_pur> ok what are we talking about... [15:04] <tojorus_pur> Lily Potter? [15:04] <fawkes28> Lily's Secret [15:04] <Expelliarmas> today's topic is Lily's Secret [15:04] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:05] <MrMcGonagall> Oooooh, very special topic. [15:05] <harryfreak359> Heya Sooner! [15:05] <fawkes28> yes, but we don't start until quarter after [15:05] <futureweasley> hi sooner [15:05] <tojorus_pur> ok [15:05] <futureweasley> today's topic is going to rock [15:05] <fawkes28> hi sooner [15:05] <tojorus_pur> how come? [15:05] <nympheart> hi sooner [15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> Hello everyone [15:05] <futureweasley> rock [15:05] <fawkes28> to give people a chance to get here [15:05] <tojorus_pur> lol [15:05] <nympheart> lol [15:05] <tojorus_pur> ok i get it [15:05] <daretodream2> lol [15:05] <MrMcGonagall> You said it, future! [15:05] <tojorus_pur> MrMcGonagall! i heard you on PotterCast [15:06] *** jbjeans has joined #lounge [15:06] <futureweasley> lol [15:06] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:06] <fawkes28> hi jb [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> You have a good memory, tojorus! That was a while back. [15:06] <fawkes28> hi jane [15:06] <nympheart> hi jane [15:06] <futureweasley> Me too! *fangirls MrMcG* [15:06] <Greeneyes15> hey, jane [15:06] <jbjeans> Hey everyone! [15:06] <fawkes28> lol [15:06] <JaneMarple9> Hi everybody!! [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I guess not that long. Just a few months. [15:06] <harryfreak359> That was an awesome interview [15:06] <harryfreak359> hi Jane [15:06] <tojorus_pur> yeah [15:06] <fawkes28> Mr. M was awesome wa-hey-wooty-woo hoo [15:06] <fawkes28> laugh [15:07] <futureweasley> you're screwing it up, fawkes [15:07] <futureweasley> get it right [15:07] <fawkes28> i know! [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> fawkes, you messed that up. Its wooty woo-hoo wa-hey [15:07] <nympheart> lol [15:07] <harryfreak359> lol [15:07] <fawkes28> you guys placed a memory charm on me in okie [15:07] <Greeneyes15> lol [15:07] <MrMcGonagall> I think fawkes is being funny. [15:07] <fawkes28> why is wooty first? [15:08] <harryfreak359> lol [15:08] <fawkes28> you know what i think should be first? [15:08] <MrMcGonagall> Iambic pentameter or something. [15:08] <harryfreak359> It sounds better that way [15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:08] <futureweasley> because wooty is best [15:08] <fawkes28> riiight future [15:08] <jbjeans> `-`-`-`-`- [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> !botsnack [15:09] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [15:09] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [15:09] <nympheart> hi dumbley [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hey dd18 [15:09] <jbjeans> Welcome dumleydore [15:09] <jbjeans> *dumbleydore [15:09] <harryfreak359> Hi dumbley [15:10] <fawkes28> hi dumbley [15:10] <tojorus_pur> hii [15:10] <tojorus_pur> how do you change the color of your font? [15:10] <harryfreak359> The arrows on the right of the text bar << [15:11] <Expelliarmas> look at the bottom of your screen, click on the >> [15:11] <dumbleydore18> here comes dumbley here comes dumbley to chat away, about the one, who unwillingly, gave her life away! But who also bore, with all out glore, the one to save the day! Oh Lily potter she really is the best, I hope her soul wont go to rest until VOldemort is sentaced to death! [15:11] <tojorus_pur> ok thank you [15:11] <Expelliarmas> but not the green! [15:11] <tojorus_pur> =) [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:11] <harryfreak359> no not the green! smile [15:11] <tojorus_pur> lol [15:11] *** jbjeans left #lounge [] [15:11] <dumbleydore18> hi guys! [15:11] <futureweasley> not purple either [15:12] <tojorus_pur> i chose orange [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> no comment [15:12] <Greeneyes15> anyone care if i use pink? [15:12] <tojorus_pur> im a weasley [15:12] <Expelliarmas> orange looks good on you [15:12] <nympheart> i have to learn to like orange... [15:12] <fawkes28> it is ok [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> no Sooner truly ever likes orange [15:12] <Greeneyes15> thanx.lol! [15:12] <BlixDude> Hello [15:12] <fawkes28> even though we have the same smile [15:12] <harryfreak359> lol [15:12] <dumbleydore18> why are the arrows next to our names different colors? [15:12] <nympheart> i always hated that color and of course what are my new school colors [15:12] <dumbleydore18> sorry if this question was asked [15:12] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [15:12] <harryfreak359> Green means it is you smile [15:13] <futureweasley> hi Whisper [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea dd18 [15:13] <MrMcGonagall> I always thought of that as more a dark yellow. I guess it is orange though. Maybe we could compromise on saffron. [15:13] <Whisperwing> Hi hi [15:13] <harryfreak359> blue for everyone else [15:13] <nympheart> hi whisper [15:13] <dumbleydore18> I am me! I am green! [15:13] <dumbleydore18> lol [15:13] <Expelliarmas> Ahh Sooner; orange green and white look great [15:13] <harryfreak359> Hey Sooner, I've been hearing a lot about the Sooners on teh news [15:13] <harryfreak359> lol [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet you have living so close to the bowl [15:13] <harryfreak359> Mmhmm [15:13] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [15:13] <daretodream2> hf live close to the game? [15:14] * SoonerGryffindor is not going to acknowledge Expie's comment on orange, green and white [15:14] <harryfreak359> I'll be routing for them [15:14] <nympheart> hi pellinore [15:14] <tojorus_pur> do any of the pottercast hosts come into these chat thingys? [15:14] <Whisperwing> Sometimes [15:14] <Whisperwing> Briefly [15:14] <tojorus_pur> ooh [15:14] <dumbleydore18> speaking of CoC how was the Mod visit? [15:14] <harryfreak359> Yes, I live 15 mins from the fiesta bowl stadium [15:14] <Greeneyes15> GO Bucks!!! [15:14] <daretodream2> aww. I envy you [15:14] <futureweasley> we had fun [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> mod visit went fine, but it is wraping up sad [15:15] <futureweasley> I go home today [15:15] <Expelliarmas> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [15:15] <MrMcGonagall> Wahhhhhh! [15:15] <Expelliarmas> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:15] <Expelliarmas> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Sooner got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:15] <Expelliarmas> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:15] <Expelliarmas> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:15] <fawkes28> Today we discuss Lily Evans Potter. Sister to Petunia, wife of James, and mother to Harry. We really haven't been given much information about Lily, but Jo has let us know that we will find out more and that what we will find out will be very important to the plot of Deathly Hallows. The following is an excerpt from a 1999 interview with Jo on this topic: [15:16] <fawkes28> "You'll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you'll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you'll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven. But I can't tell you what those things are, so I'm sorry, but they - yes, you will find out more about her, because they're - both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do." [15:16] <fawkes28> So without further ado, let's get to discussing any and all theories on this very important topic. [15:16] <fawkes28> Jo has carefully selected wand wood for each of the characters. Voldemort with yew and Harry with holly. According to celtic lore, willows were considered so magickal that priests, priestesses and all types of artisans sat among these trees to gain eloquence, inspiration, skills and prophecies. For a wish to be granted, ask permission of the willow, explaining your desire. What are your thoughts on this? [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> *crickets* [15:17] <harryfreak359> smile [15:17] <futureweasley> there's a lot in that question [15:17] <harryfreak359> Yes [15:17] <nympheart> I think Lily serves as a motivation for Harry [15:17] <futureweasley> I never really thought about Lily's wood being significant before [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I will admit that I had no idea about this till I started researching for the questions. Its very interesting [15:17] <fawkes28> It is very interesting sooner [15:17] <dumbleydore18> what is Lily's wand wood anyways? [15:17] <nympheart> willow [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> willow [15:18] <JaneMarple9> the wands are very intriguing yes [15:18] <dumbleydore18> thanks [15:18] <Whisperwing> Very swishy, excellent for Charms work [15:18] <tojorus_pur> for more info on lily check the lexicon [15:18] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [15:18] <MrMcGonagall> I had just always thought her wand - being good for charms - was made of willow precisely because it is such a swishy wood. [15:18] <futureweasley> hi mafalda [15:18] <dumbleydore18> the best thin g for this is to do research on willows [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys!! [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is interesting the part on the prophedies [15:18] <fawkes28> I am interested in how people came to here prophecies [15:18] <dumbleydore18> *thing [15:19] <fawkes28> great minds sooner smile [15:19] <tojorus_pur> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/lily.html [15:19] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [15:19] <harryfreak359> hi mafalda [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hey ywkw [15:19] <fawkes28> hi YWKW [15:19] <Expelliarmas> heya ywkw [15:19] <You_wont_know_who> hi everybody [15:19] <nympheart> hi ywkw [15:19] <harryfreak359> hi YWKW [15:19] <JaneMarple9> hi ywkw [15:19] <fawkes28> it also seems like people were drawn to Lily [15:19] <You_wont_know_who> hi Jane, Sooner, fawkes28 Expelliarmas [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> have we started? where are we? [15:19] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [15:20] <Expelliarmas> heya 7 [15:20] <harryfreak359> Hi seven [15:20] <futureweasley> hi 7, YWKW [15:20] <SevenofNine> Greetings [15:20] <fawkes28> repeat of question: Jo has carefully selected wand wood for each of the characters. Voldemort with yew and Harry with holly. According to celtic lore, willows were considered so magickal that priests, priestesses and all types of artisans sat among these trees to gain eloquence, inspiration, skills and prophecies. For a wish to be granted, ask permission of the willow, explaining your desire. What are your thoughts on this? [15:20] <fawkes28> hi seven [15:20] <MafaldaWeasley> lo, seven! [15:20] <nympheart> hi seven [15:20] <dumbleydore18> "Almost all willows take root very readily from cuttings or where broken branches lie on the ground." from wikipedia. this could mean that whoever has a willow is strong willed trying to grow anew [15:20] <harryfreak359> I agree fawkes, Lily did seem like the kind of person people drawn too [15:20] <MrMcGonagall> It seems like willow is a "communicative" sort of wood. [15:20] <You_wont_know_who> oh I didn't known about the willow wood [15:20] <Whisperwing> That a great deal of the protection she was able to place on Harry stemmed from her deep wish it be so. [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> the part that struck me is that people would go to the willows for inspiration [15:21] <nympheart> willows' flexibility makes them difficult to break [15:21] *** Celestina_Warbeck has joined #lounge [15:21] <nympheart> very female [15:21] <futureweasley> Willow's used for prophecy? that's interesting [15:21] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly was hard to break too [15:21] <futureweasley> hi Celestina [15:21] <Expelliarmas> I can understand people using nature to recharge or to gain inspiration [15:21] <harryfreak359> yes, Sooner, that is interesting [15:21] <Celestina_Warbeck> hi! [15:21] <SevenofNine> I like that nympheart [15:21] <MrMcGonagall> A flexible sort of person. [15:21] <harryfreak359> hi Celstina [15:21] <futureweasley> I thnk the prophecy thing is interesting [15:21] <SevenofNine> hi Celestina [15:21] <Greeneyes15> a strong person [15:21] <Celestina_Warbeck> Happy New Year [15:22] <tojorus_pur> ok im reading this from the HP-Lexicon it says that Lily was an excellent student [15:22] <You_wont_know_who> a flexible but hard to break...sounds like a very fine character indeed [15:22] <fawkes28> Lily's wand is described as being Willow, 10 1/4", and swishy (nice wand for charm work), yet no mention is made of her wand core. What do you think her wand core would have been based off of what we know of the different cores? [15:22] <dumbleydore18> Willows have medical uses as well to stop aches and fevers [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> dragon core [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I would like to think that her core would have been unicorn [15:22] <You_wont_know_who> Core...dragon heartstring? [15:22] <futureweasley> I'm sure that she had Dragonheartstring [15:22] <nympheart> pheonix feather, she lives on still [15:22] <fawkes28> why sooner? [15:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I'm thinking dragon heartstring. [15:22] <futureweasley> like Hermione [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> because of innocence and sacrifice [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> exactly, fw [15:23] <daretodream2> I like that sooner [15:23] <MrMcGonagall> Ooooh, that's good Sooner. [15:23] <You_wont_know_who> Unicorn is a core for wizards I suppose [15:23] <fawkes28> that is interesting, sooner [15:23] <Celestina_Warbeck> unicorn hair [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Cedric, Ron, and Neville all have unicorn [15:23] <You_wont_know_who> have we met a witch with Unicorn hair core? [15:23] <tojorus_pur> really? [15:23] * harryfreak359 needs to read up on wands more smile [15:23] <Whisperwing> Do we know what the core is for Luna's wand then? [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> not that I know of ywkw [15:23] <MrMcGonagall> I thought the dragon heartstring because it would be sort of the inner fire of her personality. [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> but she had a very great mind as well... i think it's dragon cause for me she was deep on research [15:23] <tojorus_pur> we have seen: vela, willow, holly, dragon, and others i believe [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a great point as well Mr M [15:24] <futureweasley> I think it's not far off base to think that Lily, Hermione and Ginny all have the same wand core, as their ethics are so similar (to the core) [15:24] <Expelliarmas> funny unicorn would be a core for wizards, when the unicorns themselves prefer females [15:24] <harryfreak359> I can see the Future [15:24] <dumbleydore18> Celestina I agree about the unicorn hair because if the willow tree is considered "female" unicorns only like females [15:24] <tojorus_pur> but in book 4 we do see harry pet a unicorn [15:24] <futureweasley> you can, Harry? biggrin [15:24] <MrMcGonagall> does anyone favor phoenix feather? [15:24] <nympheart> i do [15:24] <tojorus_pur> i do [15:24] <harryfreak359> LOL [15:24] <harryfreak359> that* [15:24] <futureweasley> not Fawkes [15:24] <You_wont_know_who> phoenix feathers are very rare [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I was about to ask the same thing Mr M [15:24] <dumbleydore18> expi we have the same idea!! [15:24] <fawkes28> for lily i don't [15:24] <futureweasley> but another phoenix, maybe [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> it would be interesting, but not fawkes [15:25] <You_wont_know_who> I don't see Lilly having it in her wand [15:25] <tojorus_pur> are there many phoenixes? [15:25] <nympheart> Lily still lives, at least her love does [15:25] <fawkes28> no there aren't [15:25] <SevenofNine> Can there be more than one core? I like a lot of these for Lily [15:25] <MrMcGonagall> She had the super-deluxe wand - three cores in one! [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think more than one core would work [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> but that is a good question [15:25] <Expelliarmas> I've not heard of multiple cores [15:25] <dumbleydore18> can wands not have a core? [15:25] <harryfreak359> It's kind of like trying to pick out a house for someone, it's hard, because more than one fits smile [15:25] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [15:25] <You_wont_know_who> neither me Expe [15:25] <tojorus_pur> maybe [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so dd 18 [15:25] <nympheart> i don't think the wand would work if there isn't one [15:26] <SevenofNine> I know sooner, but I like the different symbolism [15:26] <Expelliarmas> a core of some sort seems necessary [15:26] <harryfreak359> I don't think it would work, then DD18 [15:26] <futureweasley> well, the same, but in essence, divided...that could apply to so much [15:26] <tojorus_pur> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/wands.html [15:26] <tojorus_pur> a list of people and their wands [15:26] <You_wont_know_who> but Lilly might have not only one wands [15:26] <tojorus_pur> but why would she have more than one? [15:26] <fawkes28> The name Lily is latin and means "sensitive". Is there maybe some deeper meaning in Lily's name that might have to do with her secret? [15:26] <nympheart> that's interesting [15:26] <harryfreak359> I think that she probably was sensitive [15:26] <nympheart> I always thought of lillies and death [15:27] <dumbleydore18> it hasn't been mentioned anywhere that wands could or could not have cores to them....which rules out the impossibility [15:27] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry gets his deep sensitivity from his mother. [15:27] <fawkes28> hi cp [15:27] <SevenofNine> Well, Lily and petunia are both flowers [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> hey cp [15:27] <harryfreak359> Hi couldpic [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> hey cp [15:27] <harryfreak359> *cloudpic [15:27] <nympheart> hi cp [15:27] <cloudpic> Hey everyone! [15:27] <Expelliarmas> heya cloudpic [15:27] <JaneMarple9> Hi Cloudpic [15:27] <You_wont_know_who> hi cloudpic [15:27] <tojorus_pur> could the length of the wand mean the amount of magic a person has? [15:27] <Expelliarmas> I'm just glad she wasn't named Petunia [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, seven, i agree [15:27] <fawkes28> I think being sensitive has to do with her character and good nature rather than with her secret [15:27] <JaneMarple9> a awful lot of characters have flower names [15:27] <You_wont_know_who> I agree Fawkes [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that meaning is great for her. I think that Jo takes a lot of thought when she names her characters [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. [15:27] <tojorus_pur> neville had a unicorn hair core [15:28] <BlixDude> I think it might've been the flower part that gave her the name but sensitive seems fitting to her character [15:28] <daretodream2> Lily is a power of strength also [15:28] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly was an empatic kind of person [15:28] <Celestina_Warbeck> look at how she treated snape... with kindness [15:28] <MrMcGonagall> Calla lilies - so suitable to every occasion. [15:28] <SevenofNine> Yes, Sooner, you are right there. I do laugh a bit about petunia because she's a pic in cartoons [15:28] <SevenofNine> *pig [15:28] <tojorus_pur> but why did petunia hate lily so much [15:28] <tojorus_pur> ,,,too off topic [15:28] <SevenofNine> But there are no negative connotations for me with the name LIly [15:29] <dumbleydore18> I looked up the plant Lilium which lily derives from and it says that they are deeply rooted. [15:29] <Greeneyes15> Lily is kind and sensitive, but she still and an edge to her [15:29] <You_wont_know_who> deeply rooted might mean very faithful [15:29] <Greeneyes15> she's strong [15:29] <cloudpic> Maybe it wasn't hate so much as resentment ... and anger that she left her? (stages of grief she hasn't dealt with?) [15:29] <SevenofNine> Yes, she was feisty [15:29] <Whisperwing> Lilies are traditionally placed in funeral bouquets..... [15:29] <fawkes28> If you look into the magical meanings of flowers, Lily means birth, godly mind, and humility. What are your thoughts on this? [15:29] <Celestina_Warbeck> oooo.... deeply rooted... like how they may be related to grrifyndor [15:29] <MafaldaWeasley> jer in brazil lily goes on tombs [15:29] <nympheart> godly mind...I think that fits well [15:30] <daretodream2> I think if fits her well [15:30] <tojorus_pur> i looked up the meaning of lily: 8.pure; unsullied: the lily truth. [15:30] <Expelliarmas> I don't know enough about Lily [nowhere near as much as we know about James], so I can't say with certainty [15:30] <You_wont_know_who> godly mind , definitely [15:30] <dumbleydore18> Oh! the number three arrises.....there are three petals on the lily plant!!!!!! [15:30] <futureweasley> tojorus, please look at the top of the screen and click the box with my name on it [15:30] <JaneMarple9> yes I assosiate Lillies with funerals too [15:30] <cloudpic> We know so little first-hand information about Lily... [15:30] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [15:30] <harrypotterfan123> hey guys [15:30] <You_wont_know_who> humility - it might have played a role too [15:30] <harryfreak359> I think that the name fits her welll, [15:30] <futureweasley> hi hpfan [15:30] <nympheart> hi hpfan [15:30] <harryfreak359> hi hpfan [15:30] <cloudpic> But also with Easter and rebirth...resurection [15:30] <Expelliarmas> we know she was kind and something of a protector [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> lo hpfan [15:30] <You_wont_know_who> hi hpfan [15:31] <fawkes28> I wonder about birth - that is an interesting definition of Lily [15:31] <Celestina_Warbeck> hi fan [15:31] <You_wont_know_who> humble but very gifted that's how I see Lilly [15:31] <daretodream2> her name always reminds me of lilies in the fields [15:31] <cloudpic> She helped James to be "born" into his more mature personality? [15:31] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [15:31] <tojorus_pur> she seems [15:31] <fawkes28> hi val [15:31] <nympheart> hi val [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> hi val [15:31] <You_wont_know_who> hi val [15:31] <harryfreak359> Interesting idea Cloudpic [15:32] <harryfreak359> hi Val [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> hey VH [15:32] <Val_Halla> hi all [15:32] <fawkes28> i think humility definitely fits Lily though [15:32] <futureweasley> tojorus, please click the top to the screen, the box with "futureweasley" in it [15:32] <Celestina_Warbeck> lillies are associated with easter... resurrection... [15:32] <You_wont_know_who> and with royalty [15:32] <SevenofNine> Ah, good ones [15:32] <fawkes28> Val, we are talking about the meaning of Lily's name [15:32] <cloudpic> I wonder who else Lily tried to help be "born" into a good adulthood... [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> i think lilies are associated with what is beyond death [15:32] <Greeneyes15> WE don't know that much bout lily, but she seemed like the kind of person who could change someone for the better [15:33] <fawkes28> it is interesting to think about, cp [15:33] <You_wont_know_who> good idea greeneyes [15:33] <dumbleydore18> the only thing that i can think of that involves something "godlike" would be the fact that she is a mother, a mother is usually "godlike" to their chilredn and the fact that Lily protected Harry wcould be a "godlike" trait [15:33] <SevenofNine> And I think Harry inherited her tendency to defend others [15:33] <cloudpic> I agree Greeneyes15... seemed to have that effect on James [15:33] <nympheart> she changed James [15:33] <fawkes28> true, greeneyes [15:33] <MrMcGonagall> Lily is a person who was very pure of heart. For some reason that's the thing I most associate with the flower. [15:33] <nympheart> "godly"? "God is Love" [15:33] <cloudpic> Oooo... interesting point dumbleydore! [15:33] <fawkes28> Keeping the focus on flower names and meanings: The Daylily is the Chinese emblem for mother and the Eucharis Lily signifies maiden charms. Could any of this have to do with her secret? [15:33] <SevenofNine> I like it dumbleydore [15:34] <harryfreak359> The lily is the symbol of purity... [15:34] <tojorus_pur> yes [15:34] <SevenofNine> motherly maiden charms? [15:34] <SevenofNine> Interesting [15:34] <You_wont_know_who> Pure of heart, it suggests it clearly [15:34] <futureweasley> yes, the symbol of Mother and charms...that essentially sums up who Lily is [15:34] <cloudpic> Ummm.... are we talking virgin birth here?.... seems a real stretch to make that link?? [15:34] <Expelliarmas> I'm sure James found Lily very charming; as did Slughorn [15:34] <harryfreak359> Yes, it does [15:35] <nympheart> no, I don't think virgin birth [15:35] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly was charming even after marrying [15:35] <Celestina_Warbeck> haha, i agree choud [15:35] <tojorus_pur> that brings her eyes into the picture [15:35] <Celestina_Warbeck> cloud [15:35] <cloudpic> Good, *sighs in relief* [15:35] <tojorus_pur> thats why many found her so charming [15:35] <tojorus_pur> the eyes [15:35] <Greeneyes15> evryone seemed to like lily. She's have to have a large amount of charm [15:35] <tojorus_pur> yes [15:35] <Whisperwing> Hm, Lily paralleling the concept of virginity, perhaps? A virgin in the sense of being unpossessed, free-willed? [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> we will get to Lily's eyes eventually [15:35] <cloudpic> Yes, tojorus pur... windows to the soul [15:35] <tojorus_pur> ok [15:35] <Whisperwing> Like the virgin goddesses, I think Athena was one. [15:36] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think she was extremely charming, at least from what we have heard of her... [15:36] <nympheart> Athena was [15:36] <You_wont_know_who> a virgin might be also somebody who didn't have any experience with evil [15:36] <futureweasley> Tojorus, please click the box at the top of the screen that says "futureweasley" in it, and acknowledge. [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point ywkw [15:36] <fawkes28> that is an interesting comparison, ww [15:36] <tojorus_pur> i did [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> athena was very proud godess too, nothing lily on her hehe [15:36] <nympheart> Athena was the goddess of wisdom and war, Lily could be associated with both [15:37] <harryfreak359> good point ywkw [15:37] <cloudpic> Athena was also a warrior goddess [15:37] <Whisperwing> Her 'virginity' lay in that no male could lay claim to being in control of her. [15:37] <You_wont_know_who> Athena was very skillful and useful to people too [15:37] <cloudpic> lol nymphheart [15:37] <Greeneyes15> i dont see lily beging associated with war [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> she was very proud and moody and did some bad things as well [15:37] <cloudpic> She helped Odysseus [15:37] <harryfreak359> But she was good, not evil, she was very wise wasn't she? [15:37] <nympheart> she died in a war [15:37] <Val_Halla> Lily was in the Order; it was war [15:37] <Greeneyes15> yeah, that a good piont [15:37] <fawkes28> In HBP, Dumbledore makes mention of agapanthus plants (which are also called African Lilies) flourishing at #4 Privet Drive. Does Petunia know this and could it have anything to do with Lily's secret? [15:37] <Whisperwing> She was something of a martyr even, our Lily. [15:37] <tojorus_pur> would you consider lily dying in war though? [15:37] <dumbleydore18> the only thing that i can think of that involves something "godlike" would be the fact that she is a mother, a mother is usually "godlike" to their chilredn and the fact that Lily protected Harry wcould be a "godlike" trait. <---- This is what i said earlier. this would make sense for the motherly protector similar to a maiden charm [15:37] <Expelliarmas> I can see Lily associated with war--she would fight for what she believes and to protect [15:37] <tojorus_pur> hmm [15:38] <cloudpic> It seemed like quite an interesting comment... quite deliberate. [15:38] <nympheart> I think Petunia doesn't hate Lily as much as she pretends [15:38] <Whisperwing> Ooh, I didn't know the agapanthas was African lilies.... [15:38] <SevenofNine> Me either [15:38] <tojorus_pur> could that be a coverup for petunia [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I see it different, I don't think she would hurt a fly [15:38] <Val_Halla> me either whisperwing [15:38] <You_wont_know_who> I don't think Petunia wanted anything to remember her sister near her [15:38] <cloudpic> I thought he was just reminding Petunia of her obligations to Lily... [15:38] <harryfreak359> I never thought it was in any of importance, I didn't know they were lilies [15:38] <tojorus_pur> could she be hiding lily's secret? [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> wow, never thought about it fw [15:39] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:39] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really think there's any significance. There are hundreds of varieties of lilies in the botanical world. [15:39] <Greeneyes15> i think petumia was jelious of lily, but deep down she had to have loved her. they were sisters [15:39] <cloudpic> I agree, nympheart... I don't think Petunia genuinely "hates" her sister... [15:39] <SevenofNine> I would agree cloudpic, but I think Petunia defintely knows more than she's said so far. [15:39] <dumbleydore18> I don't think so, I mean it could be a plant that is just growing. It is a coincidence that it is growing there because of the protection that LIly had upon Harry and the protection that the Dursley how has on Harry as well. Could a Lily be a protector plant of some sort? [15:39] <Greeneyes15> so when lily died, petunia had to have felt some sort of loss [15:39] <nympheart> if it was just a plant, why would DD comment? [15:39] <cloudpic> I agree completely, Seven [15:39] <harrypotterfan123> yes seven [15:40] <SevenofNine> I think Petunia did feel some loss. It ws her sister--even if it was from before when they might have had a better relationship [15:40] <fawkes28> i do too, 7 [15:40] <harrypotterfan123> yeah [15:40] <SevenofNine> The loss of what might have been [15:40] <Greeneyes15> maybe she planted to flowers to rember her in a way [15:40] <You_wont_know_who> some sisters are enemies though [15:40] <nympheart> I agree, seven, I think she regrets their sibling rivalry looking back [15:40] <Whisperwing> Maybe it was an allegory to how Harry is flourishing, despite her neglect? [15:40] <harrypotterfan123> but she just doesn't want to admit she has some ties with the wizarding world [15:41] <SevenofNine> Yes, but even enemy sisters must think of how things might have been. [15:41] <MafaldaWeasley> yes greeneyes [15:41] <Celestina_Warbeck> narcissa and bellatrix have a weird relationship too [15:41] <You_wont_know_who> I agree Seven [15:41] <harryfreak359> I agree Seven [15:41] <Greeneyes15> maybe dd piont it out to show that petunia wasn't that bad of person to leave harry with [15:41] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:41] <nympheart> that kind of seems to conflict with what he said later, whisper [15:41] <fawkes28> Is it possible that Lily grew up in Spinner's End? Why or why not? [15:41] <Whisperwing> And they've both declared Nymphadora's mum persona non grata because of her marrying a Muggle [15:41] <SevenofNine> Even if it's subconsciously, I like the idea that Petunia has a Lily plnat [15:41] <harrypotterfan123> yeah greeneyes [15:41] <You_wont_know_who> I think it is possible and even probable [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she did [15:41] <SevenofNine> Actually, i like the idea [15:41] <Expelliarmas> In that neighborhood? I don't think so, certainly not in tht house. [15:41] <nympheart> I don't think so [15:41] <Val_Halla> I'ts possible [15:42] <harrypotterfan123> definately plausible [15:42] <harryfreak359> I don"t think do so at all, does'n't seem like the place she was raised [15:42] <harrypotterfan123> but did she? [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> mmm what an intersting question, but wasn't there described as an ugly place? [15:42] <Val_Halla> but somehow I doubt it [15:42] <Whisperwing> Erm... the Evanses growing up at Spinner's End? I don't know, that seems a stretch to me. [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> Possible, but I don't think so for some reason. [15:42] <daretodream2> I think it is possible [15:42] <Celestina_Warbeck> maybe [15:42] <SevenofNine> No, but the Evans might have been neighbors of the Snapes [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a theory that Lily and Snape grew up living in the sdame neighborhood [15:42] <fawkes28> I think there is a great chance she did live there [15:42] <nympheart> It was falling apart, and I don't think the Evans's were poor [15:42] <harryfreak359> Oh, I don't think so, Sooner. [15:42] <Celestina_Warbeck> oooo Sooner I like that [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they were [15:42] <SevenofNine> Severus might have been "awful boy" [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [15:42] <harrypotterfan123> maybe sooner... doubtful tho [15:42] <futureweasley> It's possible...as a matter of fact, I think it's likely [15:42] <Expelliarmas> No, I also didn't have the impression the Evans family was of modest means [15:42] <You_wont_know_who> look at Petunia, she is a nouveau riche, she plays with her splendid kitchen appliances, loves the new Vernon's car; it might be a proof [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, nympheart. I don't think they were poor [15:43] <harryfreak359> I agree Nymph [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the Evans family may hve been lower income. Petunia sure does seem to want to prove how well off she is [15:43] <daretodream2> good point Ywkw [15:43] <SevenofNine> Yes YWNW, just the type of person who might have grown up in a poor neighborhood [15:43] * futureweasley bites her tongue [15:43] <fawkes28> We do not know where Lily grew up and in the last book we learned about Spinner's End - it would not be surprising if we found out Lily and Petunia lived there [15:43] <nympheart> But does Vernon seem the type to marry "below" him? [15:43] <dumbleydore18> maybe the Evanses did grow up in Spinners End and Severous used to be the boy down the street who was the bully and bullyed Lily and Petunia [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> Does Vernon seem like the type of person who would have married beneath his class, though? [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> Great minds, nympheart. [15:43] <fawkes28> that is a good point, sooner [15:43] <Whisperwing> Lower middle class maybe but not poor [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm thinking they both escaped together Mr M [15:44] <harryfreak359> I don't think so Mr M [15:44] <SevenofNine> Vernon sells drills! [15:44] <Celestina_Warbeck> nah, Snape didn't bully Lily, she was too popular [15:44] <futureweasley> I don't think that Spinner's End is the gutter [15:44] <SevenofNine> That's not exactly upper crust! LOL [15:44] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [15:44] <Whisperwing> And he may have been lower middle himself and worked hart to get to the upper middle they're at now. [15:44] <You_wont_know_who> Vernon is an arriviste too, he might have been poor marrying Petunia, [15:44] <fawkes28> my thoughts exactly, seven [15:44] <Expelliarmas> Vernon, however, is a director of the company [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know - sounds right out of the East End to me. [15:44] <futureweasley> Spinner's end would, to me, be "lower middle class" [15:44] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [15:44] <SevenofNine> Yes, not the ghetto [15:44] <fawkes28> hi pellinore [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Pellinore [15:44] <nympheart> He was young whenever he had that position, it takes time to work there [15:44] <Celestina_Warbeck> hi pellinore [15:44] <You_wont_know_who> Spinner's End is a working class area to me [15:44] <harryfreak359> hi pellinore [15:45] <You_wont_know_who> hi pellinore [15:45] <SevenofNine> But just poor enough to make its resident children wish for more [15:45] <Pellinore> thx, does it auto disconnect from inactivity? [15:45] <harryfreak359> yes, it does [15:45] <futureweasley> having things would be what might keep Petunia in her particular marriage...Lily wouldn't need money, as magic picks up where money leaves off [15:45] <Pellinore> gtk thanks [15:45] <SevenofNine> Yes, future [15:45] <fawkes28> How do you see Petunia Dursley fitting into all of this? [15:45] <SevenofNine> Plus james had money [15:45] <Celestina_Warbeck> i dunno, future... the weaslys are poor and they get made fun of by the Malfoys for it [15:45] <nympheart> I think she was curious about her sister's world [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she was right in the middle of it [15:46] <futureweasley> well, that's the Malfoys... [15:46] <Expelliarmas> Petunia hardly fits in anywhere [15:46] <harryfreak359> hmmmm [15:46] <futureweasley> a completely different topic all together [15:46] <SevenofNine> I think Petunia fits more than we know [15:46] <You_wont_know_who> Petunia wanted to achieve success and she married a "promising young man" [15:46] <Greeneyes15> petunia was lily's siter, and she was nosy. She has to know alot about lily [15:46] <harryfreak359> I agree Seven [15:46] <futureweasley> Petunia fits in to all this so well...and so off topic [15:46] *** daretodream2 has quit [Bye] [15:46] <fawkes28> i agree greeneyes [15:46] <Greeneyes15> Even the stuff lily might not have wanted her to know [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Petunia is all over whatever this secret is [15:46] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah [15:46] <Whisperwing> She's so desperate to be in the know about everyone in her neighborhood, surely she isn't above a bit of social blackmail to further her family's standings? [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she may know, but doesnt realize the power of what she knows [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not so sure Petunia ever got along all that well with her sister, but she has to know quite a bit about Lily school days, especially. [15:47] <Val_Halla> Petunia is all about pretending she knows nothing [15:47] <nympheart> I think she'd blackmail [15:47] <harryfreak359> I think so too, Sooner [15:47] <fawkes28> If anyone knows Lily's secret, I think it is Petunia [15:47] <SevenofNine> I'll bet she was very curious about Lily. [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i just don't think petunia knows too much, or she would be in danger, wouldn't she? [15:47] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [15:47] <You_wont_know_who> Petunia fits perfectly the role of a eavesdropper and a blackmailer [15:47] <SevenofNine> Harry and his friends meet when school is out. [15:47] <harryfreak359> I don't think she really realizes what she is hiding [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i think she knows something but not it all [15:47] <SevenofNine> Surely Lily had friends come and stay [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I think it's something Petunia knows but she doesn't realize the significance of what she knows for Harry. [15:47] *** daretodream2 has joined #lounge [15:47] <futureweasley> she doesn't know what it is that she knows [15:47] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, she was jelous of the little bits of magic Lily did when she was home on holiday [15:47] <nympheart> I don't think LV cares what some muggle lady knows [15:47] <SevenofNine> Petunia would have met some of them [15:47] <futureweasley> that's Petunia in a nutshell [15:47] <fawkes28> Malfada, I don't think that even she knows how powerful a secret she could be sitting on [15:47] <Val_Halla> eavesdropper, yes, but I don't see petunia blackmailing [15:47] <futureweasley> yes YWKW [15:48] <futureweasley> I agree [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think most of us agree on this. Great points everuone [15:48] <fawkes28> Do you think that Lily's secret might involve anything to do with her family history? [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, that's why i think she doesn't know it all or she would have died already, future [15:48] <futureweasley> YES!!!!! [15:48] <daretodream2> yes [15:48] <harryfreak359> I think so [15:48] <MrMcGonagall> No. [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [15:48] <nympheart> no [15:48] <harryfreak359> I don't know for sure though [15:48] <You_wont_know_who> family history will be very important here [15:48] <Val_Halla> no, I thinks it's something else [15:48] * fawkes28 thinks future is very excited [15:48] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, they're descendents of Godric [15:48] *** VASH_Bloodthirst has joined #lounge [15:48] <Greeneyes15> i'm not sure [15:48] <SevenofNine> Hmmm. I thought not, but . . . [15:48] <Expelliarmas> Yes, because we know so very little about her family [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> i'm with Mr.M [15:48] <nympheart> I don't think her family is important [15:48] <harryfreak359> but I think it does have something that involves it [15:48] <SevenofNine> Except that they wree proud of having a witch in the family [15:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hola [15:48] <SevenofNine> Hi vash [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hi VASH [15:49] <You_wont_know_who> Seven a very good thought [15:49] <harryfreak359> hi VASH [15:49] <Celestina_Warbeck> oops, that's james [15:49] <Celestina_Warbeck> not Lily [15:49] <Val_Halla> Yeah, Seven, that was odd [15:49] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [15:49] <futureweasley> there is more to the Evan's girls than "meets the eye"...I personally think that the Evans have "seer" blood in their past...that's their family history [15:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> wat about seven [15:49] <fawkes28> Lily's parents remind me of Hermione's parents [15:49] <harrypotterfan123> do do do *back* [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> its possible that there were witches from generations before. I think it could be an intersting thought [15:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> can some1 pls fill me in? [15:49] <SevenofNine> Makes you wonder if there was a witch earlier int he family [15:49] <Expelliarmas> I don't think it was that odd; Hermione's parents seem to be rather proud of her being a witch [15:49] <Val_Halla> Or they knew magical folk [15:49] <harrypotterfan123> *walks back into chat* [15:49] <MrMcGonagall> I just think it has to be something about Lily personally, rather than her antecedents. [15:49] <You_wont_know_who> if the Evanses were so poud of their witch daughter, I ask a simple question: was magic connected with something good to them? [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> vash, we are discussing Lily's secret, and we do not allow netspeak in the chats [15:50] <fawkes28> current question: Do you think that Lily's secret might involve anything to do with her family history? [15:50] <SevenofNine> The family's little secret [15:50] <Expelliarmas> please, no internet abbreviations [15:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ok ok [15:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> new [15:50] <harrypotterfan123> smile [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, MrM. I have that feeling too [15:50] <fawkes28> There are several threads on the lounge exploring the possibility that there was a relationship between Lily Evans and Severus Snape. Is it possible that her secret has something to do with this relationship? [15:50] <SevenofNine> Yes [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> Noooo [15:50] <You_wont_know_who> no no no [15:50] <futureweasley> no [15:50] <nympheart> yes [15:50] <SevenofNine> Yes [15:50] <Celestina_Warbeck> hmmm... [15:50] <daretodream2> no [15:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i think so fawkes [15:50] <Expelliarmas> I really hope not! [15:50] <harryfreak359> Hmm, I don't know [15:50] <SevenofNine> Yes [15:50] <SevenofNine> lol [15:51] <futureweasley> it's about Snape's relationship with Petunia [15:51] <You_wont_know_who> no [15:51] <fawkes28> I think they were friends [15:51] <nympheart> I think it was only a friendship [15:51] <harryfreak359> I think it was more of a friendship [15:51] <SevenofNine> Especially if they knew each other as children [15:51] <VASH_Bloodthirst> we had an insite into lilly's and james' school life [15:51] <Expelliarmas> future, that's actually worse [15:51] <You_wont_know_who> lol futureweasley [15:51] <Val_Halla> Yes, but I definitely don't think there was a romantic relationship either way [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> not in the romantic sense, but I think they grew up together and knew each other before HOogwarts [15:51] <harryfreak359> no Future! [15:51] <Greeneyes15> i think snape might have had a crush on lily, but i think lily didn't have feeling like that for snape [15:51] <SevenofNine> They didn't need to be in love [15:51] <MrMcGonagall> YES!! I think it was a friendship, mostly. [15:51] <fawkes28> I also think they most likely worked a lot together in class because Lily was a nice person [15:51] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i think she has something todo with snape [15:51] <nympheart> I agree greeneyes [15:51] <futureweasley> people are mixing the signals, and it's not Lily that Snape was involved with [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> naa, I don't think snape would have had any kind of relationship with somebody not pure blood [15:51] <VASH_Bloodthirst> had* [15:51] <harrypotterfan123> welcome vash! :welcomeL [15:51] <MrMcGonagall> Certainly on Lily's part, it was just friends. [15:51] <You_wont_know_who> ok, friendship - possibly , love NOO [15:51] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, Snape and her never got together or anything [15:51] <SevenofNine> I agree greeneyes [15:51] <Whisperwing> I somehow think even friendship is a generous term for whatever interaction there may have been between them. [15:51] <Expelliarmas> I don't see them being friends; not with him referring to her as a "mudblood" [15:51] <fawkes28> I think Snape may have been into her - because she was smart and pretty - what guy didn't like Lily? [15:51] <nympheart> but he's not pure blood himself mafalda [15:51] <SevenofNine> I'm more inclined to think of Lily as a friend and defender [15:51] <harryfreak359> Yes I agree MrM [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, whispering i agree [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they were more acquaintances than friends [15:52] <VASH_Bloodthirst> we are not saying that lily was involved wiht snape or vice versa but ther was something there...some friendship or some other secret [15:52] <Whisperwing> I'd say it was imposed on them. A shared detention perhaps that gave them a secret connection? [15:52] <MrMcGonagall> I have a theory that the reason it was Snapt's worst memory was because he didn't like to remember what he said to Lily Evans that day. [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mr M [15:52] <fawkes28> ohhhh [15:52] <harryfreak359> Me too Seven, [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> he's not pure blood but he likes to be in the middle of purebloods, nymph [15:52] <daretodream2> I like that mr. m [15:52] <fawkes28> that is interesting, mr. m [15:52] <Whisperwing> There's an interesting thought [15:52] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i think whatever their realtionship may be, we will hear more about it in the mew book... [15:52] <Celestina_Warbeck> what do you think he said MrM [15:52] <SevenofNine> Snape is a pureblood wannabe [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> he has done everything to achieve that position [15:52] <futureweasley> lol [15:52] <MrMcGonagall> Called her the m word. [15:52] <futureweasley> isn't everyone?! [15:52] <Pellinore> both good in potions so they could have had a common interest there. [15:52] <You_wont_know_who> Snape would be ashamed to be defended by a girl [15:52] <Expelliarmas> I think it might have been his worst memory because he was embarrased in front of Lily [15:53] <harryfreak359> Perhaps [15:53] <MrMcGonagall> Could be that too, Expie. [15:53] <SevenofNine> and a mudblood YWKW [15:53] <VASH_Bloodthirst> maybe lilly helped snape alot on potions..or something [15:53] <Val_Halla> I tend to think it's his worst memory because it led to a bad decision to be a DE [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> or maybe because he needed her interference to get rid of james [15:53] <VASH_Bloodthirst> in* [15:53] <You_wont_know_who> he called her names just because he didn't want to be defended by her [15:53] <fawkes28> In Snape's Worst Memory we see Lily Evans taking a stand against James Potter's treatment of Severus Snape and him repaying her gesture by insulting her. Do you think that her secret has anything at all to do with Snape and this scene? [15:53] <Celestina_Warbeck> right [15:53] <Val_Halla> No [15:53] <harryfreak359> No I don't think so [15:53] <harrypotterfan123> bye smile [15:53] <futureweasley> I can't buy this theory [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> nop [15:53] <Expelliarmas> I don't think it would be her secret then; more of Snape's secret [15:53] <daretodream2> no [15:53] <VASH_Bloodthirst> we don't know, we are just speculating [15:53] <SevenofNine> Well, it's certainly part of Snape's secret. But Lily's? [15:53] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> bye hpfan [15:54] <You_wont_know_who> no, not with this scene [15:54] <Greeneyes15> i agree 7 [15:54] <Pellinore> Probably not. [15:54] <nympheart> I think it hints that they were friends that fell apart, so perhaps a small part of it [15:54] <Celestina_Warbeck> well, snape's feelings towards Lily don't have to do with the secret... [15:54] <Whisperwing> Swwing the beauty in even those who could not see it in themselves? [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think overeall that it has mostly to do with Snape's own demons, but I do think it is within the realm of possibility [15:54] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yep, that's lily [15:54] <SevenofNine> That would be Lily, Whisperwing [15:54] <Whisperwing> Could that be one of the additions in PoA that Jo was worried by? [15:54] <daretodream2> no lily tends to do the right thing, so it was just the right thing to do in the situtation [15:55] <fawkes28> yes, she does, daretodream [15:55] <SevenofNine> Lupin's comment to Harry? I've always wondered. It woudl fit [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> i just can't see snape having feeling for lily [15:55] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly would defend anybody , not only Snape [15:55] <Val_Halla> me either mafalda [15:55] <Celestina_Warbeck> glad to chat with you all, happy new year!!!! [15:55] <futureweasley> bye Cle [15:55] <futureweasley> Cel [15:55] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she would defend anybody as long as she knows that they are not in the wrong [15:55] *** Celestina_Warbeck has quit [Bye] [15:55] <harryfreak359> bye [15:55] <SevenofNine> Bye [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> bye cle [15:55] <You_wont_know_who> bye Celestina [15:55] <fawkes28> Does Lily's secret have anything to do with the rift between James and Snape? Why or why not? [15:55] <VASH_Bloodthirst> bye,s ame to you [15:56] <Greeneyes15> that's possible [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so [15:56] <Expelliarmas> I think James and Snape despised each other from the first [15:56] <VASH_Bloodthirst> maybe it does, maybe it doesn't [15:56] <You_wont_know_who> no, it was their private matter [15:56] <harryfreak359> No I don't think so [15:56] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i'm gogin wiht it does, at least a little bit [15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm with you sooner [15:56] <Val_Halla> That rift started as soon as they met, didn't it? [15:56] <daretodream2> no, i don't think it did [15:56] <SevenofNine> Well, that rift was described at the two hating each other from the very beginning [15:56] <Greeneyes15> but i think the rift began because of snape and james characters [15:56] <Whisperwing> James hated Snape first, then met Lily and fell for her -- sort of how Harry disliked Draco in the robes shop [15:57] <daretodream2> agree whisperwing [15:57] <SevenofNine> gotta run. Bye! Happy New Year! [15:57] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [15:57] <nympheart> bye seven [15:57] <Greeneyes15> it could have maybe fueled the fire [15:57] <harryfreak359> bye Seven [15:57] <fawkes28> bye seven [15:57] <You_wont_know_who> bye Seven [15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> bye seven, happy new year [15:57] <Whisperwing> Maybe they even had a pre-Hogwarts encounter of similar circumstances [15:57] <Expelliarmas> bye 7 [15:57] <fawkes28> the relationship between the three of them intrigues me [15:57] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly might not have known how much Snape and James hated each other [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> there are some people that u just dislike without a reason, i think that was the case [15:58] <futureweasley> I have to fly home, guys This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Dec 31 2006, 05:57 PM --------------------  All Aboard! |
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[15:58] <fawkes28> Snape has such hatred for Harry - but I think it has more to do with Snape and his own problems rather than a secret with Lily
[15:58] <MrMcGonagall> I just feel like there's dirt there to be dug up. [15:58] <futureweasley> see you later [15:58] <nympheart> bye fw [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> awwwww [15:58] <You_wont_know_who> see you future [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, future! [15:58] <harryfreak359> Bye Future sad [15:58] * fawkes28 hugs future tighly [15:58] <Greeneyes15> if snape had feelings for lily and james ended up getting the girl, it would have made things between them worse [15:58] <Val_Halla> bye fw [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> and I will have to go take her to the airport sad [15:58] <harryfreak359> have s safe trip [15:58] <fawkes28> *tightly [15:58] * futureweasley holds back tears [15:58] *** BlixDude has quit [Bye] [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> I agree 100% greeneyes. [15:58] <harryfreak359> have a safe trup* [15:58] * fawkes28 hugs sooner tightly [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> happy_crying [15:58] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [15:58] <nympheart> I agree fawkes [15:58] <harryfreak359> bye Sooner [15:58] <Expelliarmas> yes, but that would be a problem between james and snape; i can't see that as Lily's secret [15:59] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [15:59] <fawkes28> repeat of the question: Does Lily's secret have anything to do with the rift between James and Snape? Why or why not? [15:59] <You_wont_know_who> safe Journey Sooner, future [15:59] <Whisperwing> I really don't think Severus had any romantic inclinations towards Lily Evans [15:59] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [15:59] <VASH_Bloodthirst> if snape had feelings for lily i doubt he would ever admit it and would probably hate himself for liking a mudblood. his brain wa slike that [15:59] <Greeneyes15> why not whispering? [15:59] <MafaldaWeasley> ouch! i was boothed... [15:59] <MrMcGonagall> I think the rift was always there. Lily just made the rift a chasm. [15:59] <You_wont_know_who> he is not the type, [15:59] <dumbleydore18> sorry guys i was away for a bit had to clean house for a second....Lily and james vs Snape....hmmmm [15:59] <fawkes28> I think Severus and James hated each other immediately - similar to Harry and Draco [15:59] <nympheart> I agree MrM [16:00] <fawkes28> I see Lily as secondary in their relationship [16:00] <harryfreak359> wb DD18 [16:00] <Val_Halla> Okay, here's a theory: Snape is the one who told the Potters LV was after them and Lily was in contact with Snape towards the end [16:00] <You_wont_know_who> I agree FAWKES [16:00] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i dont think it was similar [16:00] <VASH_Bloodthirst> draco hated harry because it was drilled into his head [16:00] <Whisperwing> He's already of a mind set to detest romance by the time he got to Hogwarts, I believe because his mother ruined both their lives over some romantic notion she helf about the Muggle she decided to marry. [16:00] <fawkes28> Mothers figure very prominently into the books. Do you see Lily and her sacrifice being a good representation of how mothers are perceived? [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so [16:00] <nympheart> yes [16:00] <Greeneyes15> yes [16:00] <harryfreak359> I think so [16:01] <You_wont_know_who> definitely [16:01] <MafaldaWeasley> yes [16:01] <Expelliarmas> some mothers, not all [16:01] <MrMcGonagall> I think it is absolutely foundational to the whole series. [16:01] <daretodream2> yes [16:01] <Val_Halla> Yes, a lot of respect is given to mothers in the book [16:01] <Expelliarmas> MRs. Black struck me as a total loon [16:01] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well yes, one of the major theme in the book is love and a mother's love is one of the strongest [16:01] <You_wont_know_who> she is the mother who dies for her child and gives him the second life [16:01] <Whisperwing> Only in that Lily had plenty of reason to believe that harry would be in safe hands if she should die while protecting him from death. [16:01] <MafaldaWeasley> for sirius, but what about regulus, expel [16:01] *** harrmione55 has joined #lounge [16:01] <Val_Halla> Mrs Black was definitely the example of a poor mother [16:01] <fawkes28> hi harrmione [16:01] <harryfreak359> Hi harrmione [16:01] <harrmione55> hello everybody [16:02] <fawkes28> I think it is very important that we see a woman as stong and selfless as Lily [16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> lo! [16:02] <nympheart> I think Mrs. Black was a bad mother to both her children [16:02] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly is a prefect mother, MrsBlack - the worst possible [16:02] <fawkes28> it makes us understand why Harry is the person he is [16:02] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [16:02] <daretodream2> i agre nympheart [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> Lily is the consummate mother. [16:02] <Greeneyes15> from the first time someone becomes a mother they feel obligated to protect and love there child [16:02] <Val_Halla> Petunia is a example of strong love gone bad [16:02] <Greeneyes15> got that right [16:02] <Greeneyes15> lol [16:02] <harrmione55> was it because harry was well loved by james and Lili [16:03] <MafaldaWeasley> for me, petunia is the worst mother [16:03] <fawkes28> I think Lily's sacrifice sets the tone for the rest of the series [16:03] <Greeneyes15> yes [16:03] <You_wont_know_who> true fawkes [16:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> love is the strongest weapon, according to dumbledore, and harry has alot of that [16:03] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, fawkes [16:03] <You_wont_know_who> just because of Lilly's love [16:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> especially from four people who died [16:03] <Greeneyes15> a mothers love [16:03] <Greeneyes15> one of the strongest there is [16:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> his parents, his godfather and his mentor [16:04] <dumbleydore18> most definately! mothers sacrifice everything on a daily basis. Like Jo did with her eldest. I mean giving all a mothers food to their child is sacrificing the nourishment that a mother should also recieve. I know this question is not asking about all mothers but just Lily I think it showsas a whole what mothers will do to prottect their children from anything. I mean in Lily's case throwing herself upon Harry to save him when James [16:04] *** BlixDude has joined #lounge [16:04] *** BlixDude left #lounge [] [16:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hola blixdude [16:04] <fawkes28> Harry is always described as looking just like his father, yet having his mother's eyes. In fact, Jo has said that Harry having Lily's eyes is important. Do you think that her eyes have anything to do with her secret? [16:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> and he left [16:04] <harrmione55> definitely dumbleydore [16:05] <daretodream2> most definelty [16:05] <nympheart> very possibly [16:05] <harrmione55> I think so. but what could it be? [16:05] <harryfreak359> Maybe, there is some secret that has to do with her eyes... [16:05] <Val_Halla> maybe [16:05] <You_wont_know_who> yes, they might have something to do with the secret as their reflect Harry's personality [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> No; i think her eyes was to guarantee the momery of slughorn and maybe something else, but with slughorn [16:05] <daretodream2> gtg, bye [16:05] <Expelliarmas> I think the eyes are the essence of the secret, whatever it might be [16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> bye d2d [16:05] <harryfreak359> by daretodream [16:05] <VASH_Bloodthirst> her eyes are important but i dont think we have enough evidence to say clearly whether or not that has something to do with her secret [16:05] *** daretodream2 left #lounge [] [16:05] <fawkes28> I do actually think that her eyes have something to do with the secret [16:05] <Whisperwing> I can't help think of the episode of Charmed where the demon was stealing Gypsies' eyes, because the eyes held the power of protective magics. [16:05] <fawkes28> It gets talked about so much in the series [16:05] <You_wont_know_who> he has his mother's personality and it will be important [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its possible that her eyes are the secret symbolically [16:06] <MrMcGonagall> No, I don't think it's related to the secret. I think it's just a link to harry. [16:06] <Greeneyes15> i think that when people looked at lily the first thing they saw, or the thing that most stood out bout her was her eyes and people immediatly just liked her [16:06] <Val_Halla> I agree Sooner [16:06] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i dont doubt that it is important and so also is lilly's secret but i tdo not think we can say whether or not eh two are based on each other [16:06] <nympheart> i agree, ywkw, eyes are the window to the soul, and it seems Lily and Harry have the same soul, or at least very similar ones [16:06] <harrmione55> or maybe she can see though a person a sort of legilemens like DD [16:06] <fawkes28> I do not think the secret has to do with the color - just the fact that Harry has Lily's eyes [16:06] <Greeneyes15> when people who knew lily lokk into harry's eyes they see lily [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree fawkes, the actual color is not important, IMO [16:07] <You_wont_know_who> yes greeneyes [16:07] <nympheart> I hope the color isn't important or WB is in trouble [16:07] <fawkes28> I do not think it is a red herring either [16:07] <Expelliarmas> Well, his eyes are the shape and color of his mothers [16:07] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [16:07] <fawkes28> there is a reason that it keeps getting brought up [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys, it is really, really, really time for me to go [16:07] <Greeneyes15> like with slughorn,he saw lily and gave harry the mem [16:07] <harryfreak359> Yes, Jo doesn't bring up something a lot if it has not real importance [16:07] <dumbleydore18> I think that some how a part of Lily's spirit went inside of Harry, not as a Horcrux, but as something else. When the right time comes the wrath of Lily will appear...lol [16:07] <nympheart> bye sooner [16:07] <harryfreak359> bye Sooner! [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> have a great chat everyone! [16:07] <You_wont_know_who> bye Sooner [16:07] <VASH_Bloodthirst> of course, but that does not necessarily mean that it is the basis of lilly' secret [16:07] <Val_Halla> bye Sooner [16:07] <fawkes28> bye sooner [16:08] <MafaldaWeasley> ahhh, bye sooner, happy new year [16:08] <dumbleydore18> bye sooner [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> you too guys' [16:08] <harrmione55> Hapy New Year Sooner [16:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [16:08] <fawkes28> It would be a great let down if we do not find out about the significance of Lily's eyes in DH [16:08] <MafaldaWeasley> that is a good thought,dh18 [16:08] <VASH_Bloodthirst> we definitely will [16:08] <You_wont_know_who> Lilly was present at the graveyard, she might reappear once again [16:08] <VASH_Bloodthirst> didnt she say so? [16:08] <harryfreak359> Yes, it would be Fawkes [16:09] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lilly was present at the grave yard and so was every1 else that was kolled by voldemort's wand [16:09] <fawkes28> We find out in HBP from Slughorn that Lily Evans was exceptionally gifted at potions. Could this have anything to do with what her secret might end up being? [16:09] <VASH_Bloodthirst> killed* [16:09] <Pellinore> we'd almost have to find out in 7. JkR & the movies keep drilling that point home about the connection in their eyes. [16:09] <MrMcGonagall> YES!! I think the friendship with Snape started in NEWT potions. [16:09] <harrmione55> I think so fawkes. [16:09] <Val_Halla> I think we will learn more about this but I'm not sure it's related to the secret [16:09] <Expelliarmas> I was amazed to learn she was gifted at potions; it may have set up a rivalry with Snape [16:09] <MafaldaWeasley> I think this shows her connection with Slughonr in particular. maybe he was the one who got lily a good position [16:09] * harryfreak359 think about it for a minute [16:10] <VASH_Bloodthirst> maybe lily helped snape passed his potions exams? [16:10] <MrMcGonagall> I think Snape copied [16:10] <MrMcGonagall> Lily in potions. [16:10] <harrmione55> I read somewhere that creationg a horcrux is not by curse or spell, could it be potion [16:10] <Val_Halla> I agree expie; I see Lily and Snape as rivals [16:10] <nympheart> I think Lily copied, the handwriting was Snape's [16:10] <fawkes28> I do think it is significant that she was gifted in potions - the secret could be a potion that we do not know about yet that will help Harry [16:10] <Expelliarmas> No, I can't see Snape copying Lily [16:10] <harryfreak359> Maybe, Expie [16:10] <MafaldaWeasley> me neither, expie [16:10] <fawkes28> I think they most likely worked together in potions [16:10] <harryfreak359> I don't think he copied either [16:10] <Pellinore> oh i hope jkr explains more about lily's potion ability and how that ties in... would guess that it has something to do with lily & snape's relationship/rivarly or whatever. [16:10] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i don think lily would copy. Rowling has placed her in too mmuch esteem [16:10] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [16:10] <Expelliarmas> And I can't see Lily cheating [16:10] <fawkes28> but i don't think he copied - he is very smart [16:11] <You_wont_know_who> ok, I must go see you guys in the New Year!! [16:11] <You_wont_know_who> bye! [16:11] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [16:11] <harryfreak359> bye ywkw [16:11] <nympheart> bye [16:11] <dumbleydore18> I wonder how lily and Snape, if they ever were, became friends...I mean he was the loner, greesy and slimey. Maybe Lily and Snape had a battle of the wits? [16:11] <Val_Halla> I think they were both talented [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> bye ywkw [16:11] <Greeneyes15> well slughorned was fooled when he thought harry was good at potions. My it was snape really helping lily with potions and slughorn thought it was her own work [16:11] <Whisperwing> Maybe all his notes were observations of Luly's innovative work [16:11] <VASH_Bloodthirst> snape is smart, yes, but in a sly kind of way [16:11] <MrMcGonagall> peppermint in a potion just doesn't sound like Snape. [16:11] <Expelliarmas> Well, they certainly didn't share grooming techniques [16:11] <nympheart> lol [16:11] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, ww. [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> No, i think Lily was skilled without Snape's help [16:11] <harryfreak359> LOL, no it doesn't, but you never know [16:11] <Whisperwing> oooh somehow I have a sudden craving for cheese....... [16:12] <fawkes28> but it makes me wonder if she made some potions of her own [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> hehehe whisper [16:12] <nympheart> I think snape's the type who will do whatever works [16:12] <Expelliarmas> Oh, I can see Lily experimenting [16:12] <fawkes28> if he did, then perhaps she did as well [16:12] <harryfreak359> I think that she would have tried different things [16:12] <MrMcGonagall> Jo made a point in the first lesson of HBP that it isn't easy to keep your work secret. [16:12] <Pellinore> probably both competent in their own right given how snape has been lauded by DD & others over his potion ability and Slughorn said Lily was more intuitive then Snape. [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Snapes like to take the credit and being admired, I don't think he would share work with anyone [16:12] <VASH_Bloodthirst> and he will figure out a way to make watever works work, he is smart like that [16:12] <Val_Halla> Just shove a bzoar down the throat DOES sound like Snape, not Lily [16:12] <Expelliarmas> she even did it at home; changing frog spawn into tea cups, or summat [16:13] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [16:13] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well maybe the bezoar was lily's idea, and snape jus wrote it in his way [16:13] <nympheart> hi Jane [16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> wb, jane [16:13] <fawkes28> According to Hermione, the handwriting in Harry's Advanced Potions Making book looks like it could have been written by a female. Do you think that Lily Evans had anything to do with either the potions corrections or the spells written in? [16:13] <harryfreak359> wb Jane [16:13] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane1 [16:13] <JaneMarple9> back again! [16:13] <fawkes28> wb, jane [16:13] <harryfreak359> No I don't think so [16:13] <nympheart> Snape's writing was described in SWM, I think it was his [16:13] <VASH_Bloodthirst> does anyone think we might be oberhtinking this [16:13] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ? [16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> No. I think it was snape's [16:13] <Whisperwing> I just think Severus learned to write from his mother, therefore learned to write like his mother [16:13] <Val_Halla> I cannot ever see Lily writing in Sectumsempra [16:13] <nympheart> us? overthink? when do we do that? [16:13] <fawkes28> I am not certain if she did because I would think he would be pretty secretive of his potions [16:14] <harryfreak359> Yes, agreed Val [16:14] <Expelliarmas> No, I don't think Lily wrote in Snape's book. I think it might have been Snape's mother. [16:14] <harrmione55> naybe Lily helped snape and snape did some improvement [16:14] <dumbleydore18> Could lily have been adopted and really be a "Prince"? [16:14] <Pellinore> Probably all Snape's. no mention of 2 different writting styles and Snape was the Half-Blood Prince. [16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> yes expie, i agree [16:14] <harryfreak359> I sometimes wondered that Expie, but I think that it was all Snapes really [16:14] <fawkes28> I do not think he would have wanted Lily to know about Sectumsepmra [16:14] <harrmione55> He said he created thjose spells [16:14] <MrMcGonagall> I think the writing is his, but I believe he was taking notes on what Lily did in Potions. [16:14] <nympheart> Petunia said their parents were fond of Lily [16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> if it was from somebody else it was from his mother [16:14] <Whisperwing> And maybe Snape shamelessly cheated by watching her and copying her work [16:14] <fawkes28> I think he would be embarassed if she knew he created it [16:14] <Expelliarmas> I can see Snape shamelessly cheating ... [16:14] <Val_Halla> That's certainly possible Whisperwing [16:15] <JaneMarple9> so can I! [16:15] <harryfreak359> No, I think Snape was smart enough to make up those spells [16:15] <MafaldaWeasley> I cannot see it. I think he's too proud to do it [16:15] <Whisperwing> Embarrassed? No. Resentful, perhaps. [16:15] <VASH_Bloodthirst> do not underestimate snape [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> The spells are Snape's. Most of the potions notes come from watching Lily. [16:15] <JaneMarple9> He's a cheating greasy haired potion master smile [16:15] <harryfreak359> I think that his ability to do that will b eimportant too [16:15] <Whisperwing> Too proud to do whatever it took to best Lily Evans in potion making? [16:15] <dumbleydore18> The hand writing could be Snapes' mother's hand writing...and Snape just added the name "half blood prince" to it [16:15] <harrmione55> G2G every one: Have a Prosperous New Year [16:15] <dumbleydore18> like a hand me down [16:15] <harryfreak359> So I don't think he copied her [16:15] <nympheart> bye harrmione [16:15] <harryfreak359> bye harrmione [16:15] <Expelliarmas> bye h55 [16:16] <MafaldaWeasley> bye harrmione!! [16:16] <Val_Halla> Snape was able to brew the difficult potion for Lupin w/o help; he's got some talent of his own [16:16] *** harrmione55 has quit [Bye] [16:16] <Pellinore> While snape may have cheated i don't buy it due to his later abilities to make potions. Cheaters don't really learn the process to learn new stuff and i see Snape as a competanet potionier [16:16] <nympheart> I still think Lily's the cheater [16:16] <Expelliarmas> yes, VH, but by then he was a lot older [16:16] <MafaldaWeasley> yes pellinore, i totally agree [16:16] <VASH_Bloodthirst> that always confused me, if teh hbp is snape then why was he porud enough to call him self that if he hated anything that was not pure blooded? [16:16] <Val_Halla> Lily a cheater? [16:16] <Greeneyes15> yeah, a hand me down. wasn't the book like, really old [16:16] <fawkes28> Is it possible that Lily had seer blood, or had any special powers in that area? [16:16] <Expelliarmas> No way, would Lily cheat [16:16] <harryfreak359> I don't think so... [16:16] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so. [16:16] <Greeneyes15> no [16:16] <nympheart> No one's perfect, and we haven't seen any of Lily's flaws [16:17] <Greeneyes15> no [16:17] <VASH_Bloodthirst> no lol [16:17] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't really know [16:17] <nympheart> I don't think she's a seer [16:17] <JaneMarple9> can't see lily cheating [16:17] <Val_Halla> I could definitely see Lily as having some power as a seer [16:17] <Expelliarmas> I don't know enough about Lily to say anything about her having seer blood; but Harry's dreams certainly seem prophetic. Where would he have gotten that ability [16:17] <fawkes28> it would be interesting to the story line if she did [16:17] <Val_Halla> Harry could have inherited this talent [16:17] <JaneMarple9> not sure if she has seer power.... [16:17] <MrMcGonagall> It seems to be a very rare gift indeed. [16:17] <fawkes28> we still don't know what she did after hogwarts [16:17] <JaneMarple9> could be connected with her eyes...the inner eye? [16:18] <fawkes28> That is a good point, expie [16:18] <Greeneyes15> didn't tonks ask harrry once if he had seer blood in him? [16:18] <nympheart> Harry a seer? He failed Divination [16:18] <Pellinore> nothing comes to mind to back that idea up other then willow reference. just doesn't seem to fit as JkR makes fun of the only Seer we know as incompetant and any allusion to that in book 7 would make lily look bad [16:18] <harryfreak359> Yes, she does [16:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hmm....jus thinking...maybe lilly's secret is that she helped snape to create some potions (which may later on prove disasterous) and maybe she saw the good in him and well, tried to be his friend? [16:18] <fawkes28> that is interesting, greeneyes [16:18] <Greeneyes15> not that harry's a seer, but...oh, idk! [16:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> and regretted it horibbly afterwards [16:18] <Expelliarmas> he failed Divination, but his dreams seem to come true an awful lot [16:18] <Greeneyes15> yeah [16:19] <nympheart> do you mean the ones that come from LV? [16:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> only when it deals wiht voldemort...remeber he has a connection wiht voldemort [16:19] <harryfreak359> yes, but I think that may have to do with Voldemort [16:19] <fawkes28> so many she is not necessarily a full blown seer but is good with having prophetic dreams [16:19] <dumbleydore18> I see Lily being a Hermione but not as bossy or much of a no it all. In that aspect Hermione is more technical than into all the froo froo "Inner eye" stuff, and Lily was the same. [16:19] <Val_Halla> Harry predicted Buckbeak's escape before LV's return [16:19] <Expelliarmas> no Harry has had funny dreams since the first book; that ability has to come from somewhere [16:19] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know why, but I just can't see Lily being that into divination. [16:19] <nympheart> he made it up on the spot [16:19] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [16:20] <Pellinore> his curse scar connection to lv is my guess [16:20] <fawkes28> but we don't know everything with Harry and how his connection to Voldemort works [16:20] <harryfreak359> I can't either Mr M [16:20] <VASH_Bloodthirst> his connection with voldemort..thats his source [16:20] <VASH_Bloodthirst> of his dreams, i mean [16:20] <MrMcGonagall> With Harry, we do have to distinguish between normal dreams and scar dreams. [16:20] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Lily would be into divination, neither would Harry; but they can still "see" without appreciating that ability [16:20] <nympheart> I think dreams like the one with the turbin may somehow be connected to him having the power of Lily's love [16:21] <fawkes28> Do you think that there are any other types of special powers that Lily may have that has to do with her secret? [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think it may be more along the lines of intuition than seeing. [16:21] <dumbleydore18> I think that LIly could of had some type of seeing ability, There are all kinds of divination...arithmancy is one, astrology is another [16:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> animagi? [16:21] <harryfreak359> Perhaps...I really don't know... [16:21] <harryfreak359> But I wouldn't rule it out [16:21] <fawkes28> Lily is so much a mystery to us that it would not be surprising if she had some special ability [16:21] <nympheart> I don't think so, but you never know, there may be abilites we've never even heard of [16:21] <Pellinore> Special Powers? maybe she was an unspeakable and worked in the Locked door room (luv shack) o; [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> an animagus form is an interesting possibility, but I don't think Transfiguration was necessarily her strongest suit. [16:22] <Expelliarmas> If Lily had been an animagi, I think she would have registered [16:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> we know her strongest area was potions [16:22] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps she was a auror [16:22] <harryfreak359> Yes, I agree Expie [16:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well, one of her strongest anyway [16:22] <Pellinore> didn't they allude to Lily being good in charms at one point? [16:22] <Val_Halla> but do you have to be strong in Transfiguration to be an animagus? [16:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lily WAS an auros [16:22] <JaneMarple9> perhaps this is why it fascinates harry so muc? [16:22] <nympheart> her wand was good for charms [16:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> auror! [16:22] <dumbleydore18> I think LIly was good at Arithmancy, "seeing" things through numerology. [16:22] <nympheart> I don't think she was an auror, I think she just helped the Order [16:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i have to go, my dad is having a bbq! [16:22] <Pellinore> do we know that lily was an auror or is that an educated guess at this point? [16:23] <nympheart> bye VASH [16:23] <fawkes28> it could be that she had a special way with charms [16:23] *** sorikku has joined #lounge [16:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> happy new year all and my best wishes to you!! [16:23] <fawkes28> bye vash [16:23] <harryfreak359> bye VASH [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> bye vash [16:23] <fawkes28> hi sorikku [16:23] <dumbleydore18> I see James as an auror, not Lily [16:23] <harryfreak359> hi sorikku [16:23] <sorikku> ello [16:23] <Greeneyes15> i g2g and get ready for our NEW year part!! [16:23] *** VASH_Bloodthirst left #lounge [] [16:23] <Greeneyes15> Happy New Year!! [16:23] <harryfreak359> bye greeneyes [16:23] <Val_Halla> bye greeneyes [16:23] <Expelliarmas> bye green [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> bye greenreyes [16:23] <sorikku> i'm new here, so i'll just read for a few minutes to understand what we're talking about [16:23] <fawkes28> According to the prophecy, Harry would be born of parents who had thrice defied Voldemort. What do you think that Lily did? [16:23] <sorikku> and happy new year to those who are leaving tongue [16:23] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:24] <nympheart> umm [16:24] <Val_Halla> busted up DE plots as members of the Order [16:24] <Expelliarmas> Lily was an auror or somehow equipped to fight dark wizards [16:24] <fawkes28> this is an interesting question [16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> saved somebody [16:24] <harryfreak359> I think she may have foiled some plans or something [16:24] <Pellinore> an easy one would be to say no to joining the DE. [16:24] <fawkes28> yes, hf [16:24] <dumbleydore18> Lily probably was in the order and helped the order out and more specifially helped James and who ever else spying, if there was, on VOldemort and got them out of tight corners. [16:24] <nympheart> I like that Pellinore [16:25] <Val_Halla> Hagrid said they had never been asked to be DE's [16:25] <Expelliarmas> I think it was more than saying no to the DEs; I think she and James 3 times took on LV himself and escaeped [16:25] <nympheart> did he Val? [16:25] <Pellinore> another posibility is to not give them information/items/assistance that they demanded. [16:25] <Val_Halla> in SS [16:25] <fawkes28> defied him makes me think that she had to do something pretty big [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, I'm not sure if the prophecy is job-related or not. [16:26] <nympheart> I agree fawkes, I always thought it meant something direct [16:26] <MafaldaWeasley> i think they really faced LV more than once, maybe getting items and people out of his prision [16:26] <sorikku> hm [16:26] <dumbleydore18> maybe lily and james escaped from Voldy's grasp? [16:26] <Pellinore> if its to big of a Defiance it may not come across as plausable. like a straight up fight when they both got killed by him solo and it appears he killed them rather easily. [16:26] <sorikku> another thing to consider is why he decided to give lily the chance to live [16:27] <sorikku> obviously she had to be on his good... or at least, not horrible side [16:27] <harryfreak359> defy means to challenge the authority of, so it doesn't actually mean that they had to be in the prescence of VOldemort [16:27] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he wanted som infromation she could have. i cannot see another reason to spare her [16:27] <sorikku> ah [16:27] <sorikku> hm >.> [16:27] <fawkes28> Did she defy Voldemort alone or with James? [16:27] <nympheart> if she had valuable information, he still wouldn't have killed her [16:27] <Pellinore> true LV may have wanted to keep Lily alive as she may have been usfull to him in whatever position she held. [16:27] <sorikku> probably together [16:28] <harryfreak359> Together I think [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> The prophecy does refer to parents. [16:28] <nympheart> I always thought together [16:28] <JaneMarple9> yes together, i agree [16:28] <nympheart> at least for one or two of those times [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> he would, I'm sure hehe nymph, you and I can't think like just once hahahaha smile [16:28] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [16:28] <fawkes28> hi prongs [16:28] <harryfreak359> Heya Prongs! [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> lo PP [16:28] <sorikku> herro prongs [16:28] <Pellinore> evening Prongs ;o [16:28] <fawkes28> What do you think Lily's profession was and do you think that this had anything to do with her secret? [16:28] <nympheart> hi prongs [16:28] <dumbleydore18> sorikku I like the last thought you had. IT adds to what i'm about to say...Maybe VOldy remembered his mother dieing at his child birth and felt sad for a mother's loss or lsoing a motther... [16:28] <sorikku> bleh, need food [16:28] <sorikku> be back in a few [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> hey--sorry I am late [16:29] <Val_Halla> I think it had to be both as it also applied to Neville's parents [16:29] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree val [16:29] <sorikku> that's a good one, dumbley [16:29] <Expelliarmas> I don't know if she was actually an auror; or was somehow very well equipped to deal with dark wizards [16:29] <harryfreak359> I think that she was either studying to be an auror, or she worked in the DoM, or some department in the ministry [16:29] <nympheart> if he felt sorry for her, it would have been kinder to kill her since he was killing Harry [16:29] <Expelliarmas> she certainly wouldve needed to have a lot of nerve [16:29] <nympheart> I don't think she had an actual job [16:29] <dumbleydore18> Gah! I wish we knew her secret! It would make things much easier! [16:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he wantedi think she did research at MoM [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> I think she was in the Department of Mysteries, myself [16:30] <Expelliarmas> I think she did work; I don't see her staying at home during a war [16:30] <JaneMarple9> yes dd18 [16:30] <harryfreak359> I think that studying to be an auror is the best one, myself smile [16:30] <fawkes28> I actually think she worked in the locked room [16:30] <Val_Halla> It would have been difficult to have a career and a baby and be in hiding for over about a year [16:30] <JaneMarple9> i really want to know Lilys secret [16:30] <Pellinore> What are the posibilities? Auror, Cursebreaker, Ministry Employee, unspeakable, soda jerk for Florean's icecream shop? o; [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> so do I fawkes28 [16:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think James may have been a magical inventor, but I have no idea as to what Lily may have done. [16:30] <fawkes28> and I think working in the locked room is her secret, which will be vital to helping Harry in DH [16:30] <Pellinore> inventor sounds like a fun one for James. [16:31] <Val_Halla> I always wondered why James wasn't a pro quidditch player hence the money [16:31] <nympheart> James didn't have a job, Jo said [16:31] <Val_Halla> did she? [16:31] <sorikku> back [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> James, with his haterd of the Dark Arts, seems like a better Auror candidate, myself [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, nymph! he was all fo the order [16:31] <Val_Halla> old money, then [16:31] <fawkes28> unfortunately, both of them didn't have much time to work [16:31] <sorikku> and another interesting thought... if lily had information that kept her from being killed, why didn't he torture her? [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree PP [16:31] <dumbleydore18> Maybe Lily and James disliked each other from the start at Hogwarts and then after Hogwarts they became aurors and they sort of grew upon each other. Kind of like loving the one s that most annoy you... [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I thought she said that James didn't NEED to have a job [16:32] <sorikku> rather than kill her when she decided not to move? [16:32] <nympheart> I'm looking up the quote [16:32] <Val_Halla> James and Lily were a couple by graduation [16:32] <MafaldaWeasley> Because he always think he can figured it out by himself and he was sure to survive after killing harry.. [16:32] <Pellinore> Lily may have had access to get something that LV wanted not neccessarily information that could be gained from her. [16:32] <dumbleydore18> Or! James and Lily had a Ron and Hermione relatonshop and they kind of fell for each other after Hogwarts... [16:32] <nympheart> What did James and Lily Potter do when they were alive? [16:32] <nympheart> Well, I can't go into too much detail, because you're going to find out in future books. But James inherited plenty of money, so he didn't need a well-paid profession. You'll find out more about both Harry's parents later. [16:32] <sorikku> ah [16:32] <Val_Halla> that's a good thought Pellinore [16:33] <fawkes28> Do you think that Lily was best at charms, potions, or something else? [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> well, if she was an Unspeakable, then she had access to the Department of Mysteries--and the prophecy [16:33] <dumbleydore18> potions [16:33] <Val_Halla> perhaps they were simply in the Order full-time [16:33] <sorikku> potions, maybe? [16:33] <nympheart> I think charms [16:33] <harryfreak359> I think she was best at charms [16:33] <MafaldaWeasley> Charms [16:33] <dumbleydore18> actually, charms, potions, and arithmancy... [16:33] <Pellinore> i'd guess charms [16:33] <Expelliarmas> I don't know; I was surprised by slughorn's comments; but flitwick has never said he knew lilky [16:33] <JaneMarple9> I'd say charms [16:33] <fawkes28> I think she was very good at both charms and potions [16:34] <sorikku> maybe all? XD [16:34] <Expelliarmas> *lily [16:34] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know from Slughorn that she was good at Potions, and from Ollivander that her wand was good for Charms [16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> for her wand, yes, totally charms [16:34] <JaneMarple9> but Slughorn seems to be impressed by her potion work [16:34] <fawkes28> perhaps she did something that combined both of these areas to create something that was important [16:34] <harryfreak359> Well, Harry has never really talked to Flitwick one-on-one [16:34] <sorikku> and she was in his club, right? [16:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think she was good at most things she put her hand to, but she excelled, I think, in Potions and Charms. [16:34] <harryfreak359> yes, she was [16:34] <Val_Halla> Healers need both potions and Charms [16:34] <nympheart> Lily was in the Slug Club, but that doesn't mean she was good at Potions [16:34] <sorikku> dumbledore said he had a knack for choosing out people who would become great in their specific field [16:35] <Pellinore> I thought she kept out of the slugclub.. always cheaky answers [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> she was known as the finest witch of her age--like hermione, so I think she was immensely talented [16:35] <fawkes28> Why do you think that Dumbledore recruited Lily into the Order of the Phoenix? [16:35] <JaneMarple9> but Slughorn seems to be impressed with her potion making [16:35] <dumbleydore18> becuase she was bloody intelligent! [16:35] <harryfreak359> Because I think he knew that she had a great potential to fight the dark arts [16:35] <fawkes28> I think he wanted to protect Lily and James and they volunteered [16:35] <Val_Halla> because he trusted her and James [16:35] <nympheart> she wanted to be and was powerful and witty enough to help [16:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think she would have joined up readily, an let's face it . . . she's an asset. [16:35] <Expelliarmas> I think Lily and James were a package deal [16:35] <sorikku> well [16:35] <JaneMarple9> didn't he say harry took after his mother with potions? [16:36] <sorikku> she is known for protecting people [16:36] <sorikku> er [16:36] <sorikku> something like that >.> [16:36] <sorikku> maybe she made antidotes, was a healer or something? [16:36] <MafaldaWeasley> yes MrM [16:36] <JaneMarple9> I think she would have been honoured to join such a group [16:36] <fawkes28> but they were so young though...would dumbledore have just let them volunteer if they weren't in danger? [16:36] <dumbleydore18> Jane that was because Harr ywas cheating off of Snapes old potions book... [16:36] <Expelliarmas> I think in a war, you look at talent first, age second [16:36] <JaneMarple9> yeah you're right [16:36] <dumbleydore18> HArry did not come up with those inteligent spells on his own [16:36] <Val_Halla> DD doesn't count people out because of youth [16:36] <nympheart> the rule for the Order is you have to have graduated, and they did [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, in war, you take what you can get--and Lily Potter was a huge asset to the Order [16:37] <harryfreak359> I don't think that Dumbledore would have really minded their ages if they were good to fight [16:37] <fawkes28> but surely there were older wizard with more talent [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> She's clever, creative, and an all-around fun sort of girl. Who wouldn't want her in their club? [16:37] <JaneMarple9> and I think Lily really enjoyed being in the Order [16:37] <Pellinore> I think at that time they were outnumbered so i could easily see DD doing heavy recruting.. good person.. check ok you're in.. hear's the secret handshake now get busy. [16:37] <nympheart> why not take both, fawkes? [16:37] <JaneMarple9> she seems to be a great member [16:37] <nympheart> they needed all the help they could get [16:37] <Val_Halla> I think the order was more about who could be trusted not power; look at mrs Figg [16:37] <fawkes28> well you don't want the Order getting too big [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think DD was taking anyone with a desire to fight the Dark Lord at that point. [16:37] <harryfreak359> Yes, nymph, I agree [16:37] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, val [16:38] <dumbleydore18> guys I have to go...I am seeing Eragon on a bit...talk to you next week! [16:38] <MrMcGonagall> There's a reference that the Order wasn't as large or as well-organized as it is in Harry's day. [16:38] *** tldy969 has joined #lounge [16:38] <nympheart> bye! [16:38] <fawkes28> bye dumbley [16:38] <harryfreak359> have fun DD18 bye! [16:38] <Val_Halla> lucky duck! I want to see that too [16:38] <dumbleydore18> bye guys! [16:38] <MafaldaWeasley> bye dd18 [16:38] <JaneMarple9> bye dd18! [16:38] <fawkes28> hi tldy969 [16:38] <sorikku> have a happy new year biggrin [16:38] <Val_Halla> bye dd [16:38] <Pellinore> GL, hope you enjoy it the movie [16:38] <dumbleydore18> thank you sorikku! [16:38] <fawkes28> which is why they probably didnt ask many people - you have to be able to trust the people who are in the order [16:39] <dumbleydore18> Happy New Years...don't party too hardy! [16:39] *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [16:39] <fawkes28> Why do you think that Voldemort offered to spare Lily's life? [16:39] <tldy969> snape [16:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was curious [16:39] <nympheart> I think she was Snape's named reward for carrying the prophecy to LV [16:39] <Val_Halla> They were Head Boy and Girl; DD already had a relationship with them [16:39] <sorikku> snape... [16:39] <harryfreak359> I really don't know why, but I hope we find out [16:39] <Expelliarmas> Yes, he offered to spare her life, not to take her hostage [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> Not much of an idea, only that it may somehow have messed up making a horcrux. [16:39] <sorikku> did he like lily? [16:39] <Pellinore> Either Snape asked LV to spare her or she has access to something he'd like to get at. [16:39] <MafaldaWeasley> information of some kind, or to as pellinore said, to get something only her could get [16:39] <sorikku> nah [16:39] <Val_Halla> it's the secret lol [16:40] <sorikku> nevermind [16:40] <tldy969> yea, voldemort definately owed snape one [16:40] <sorikku> lol [16:40] <JaneMarple9> yes agreed Val [16:40] <fawkes28> I definitely think Snape had some say in this because Voldemort just doesn't let people live [16:40] <fawkes28> he doesn't care about sparing people's lives [16:40] <nympheart> if he wanted her as a captive for information, he would have stunned her [16:40] <sorikku> why would snape want her to live? [16:40] <tldy969> i thnk snape loved lily [16:40] <sorikku> hm [16:40] <Pellinore> unless they are usefull to him alive in some capacity. [16:40] <sorikku> he called her a mudblood [16:40] <tldy969> cuz there was def something between them [16:41] <Val_Halla> yes, nymph, it's very odd [16:41] <fawkes28> If it wasn't because of Snape, then he wanted to use her because could help him in some way [16:41] <sorikku> didn't seem like he liked her that much [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that LV wanted to see what she would do--I think he expected her to save herself, and she surprised him [16:41] <JaneMarple9> I'd sometimes wondered if Snape liked Lily from afar [16:41] <harryfreak359> That's a thoguht, Prongs [16:41] <tldy969> yea but remember that was in there 5th year, and in 6th and 7th they were slughorns potion protege's [16:41] <fawkes28> yes, jane [16:41] <harryfreak359> *thought [16:41] <JaneMarple9> but hated her, when she grew close to his enemy, James [16:41] <tldy969> i thnk they got closer in their 6th and 7th year [16:41] <Pellinore> interesting idea Prongs.. cat playing with its victim [16:41] <sorikku> ah [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it had anything to do with Snape [16:42] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Snape ever hated her, but he hated James for winning her affections. [16:42] <fawkes28> but once Voldemort decided you were going to die, you did - expect in harry's case [16:42] <nympheart> would he Jane, or would he just hate James more? [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> but a great deal to do with Merope [16:42] <MrMcGonagall> I should say he hated James even more. [16:42] <Val_Halla> yes, mr M, I think he envied him for getting the popular girl [16:42] <JaneMarple9> yes give him a good reason to hate James more perhaps [16:42] <JaneMarple9> and good reason to hate harry too [16:42] <tldy969> think about all the times JKR talks about snape looking into harry's eyes [16:42] <tldy969> lilys eyes [16:43] <JaneMarple9> because he reminded Snape of Lily [16:43] <nympheart> Snape has never said anything bad about Lily, just James [16:43] <sorikku> except the mudblood thing [16:43] <JaneMarple9> I really think we've got something with Lily's eyes and Snapes feelings towards Lily [16:43] <harryfreak359> I think it was more than just Lily that Snape hated James for [16:43] <sorikku> lol [16:43] <Expelliarmas> well, except for the whole mudblood thing [16:43] <nympheart> well, yes, but to Harry [16:43] <JaneMarple9> I hope we find out more [16:43] <fawkes28> Voldemort had his reason and he wouldn't have saved her if he truly didn't want to save her [16:43] <Val_Halla> Maybe we're overthinking this; maybe LV would have spared her because he thought her unimportant and it was an effort to kill and then make a Horcrux [16:44] <harryfreak359> True, Fawkes [16:44] <sorikku> well [16:44] <fawkes28> Will Harry ever get a chance to speak to Lily? [16:44] <nympheart> Unimportant? she thrice defied him [16:44] <sorikku> he had made an entire army of inferi [16:44] <Pellinore> nah.. what's another death to lv.. gotta mean something to him alive in some way to not kill. [16:44] <harryfreak359> I think so, through the veil [16:44] <fawkes28> I think he will - in some form [16:44] <tldy969> it makes sense for snape to have feelings for lily, because that would explain why he crossed over after voldemorts fall and why dumbledore cant tell anyone why he completely trusted snape [16:44] <sorikku> out of all those people, why just up and give lily a chance? [16:44] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think that's part of what Deathly Hallows is all about [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [16:44] <sorikku> and snape said he wasn't one to be swayed in decisions [16:44] <harryfreak359> LIke what Luna says, I'd believe Luna [16:44] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m [16:44] <nympheart> possibly, like he spoke with her Echo [16:45] <Expelliarmas> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next P3 chat, here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1046747 [16:45] <Expelliarmas> Also, please take a moment to vote for the next topic for WWW (Wize Wizard Wednesday) at http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1047634 [16:45] <MafaldaWeasley> guys, the new year is coming to brazil soon, so I must go. Happy New Year for all of you!! [16:45] <fawkes28> i think when he speaks to her it will be stronger than when he did in GoF [16:45] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's going to be an even more meaningful sort of communication than GoF. [16:45] <nympheart> bye mafalda [16:45] <harryfreak359> Bye Mafalda! [16:45] <Pellinore> happy new year MW [16:45] <tldy969> i thnk that snape hates voldemort for killing lily [16:45] <ProngsPatronus> Happy New Year, Mafalda! [16:45] <fawkes28> great minds, mr. m smile [16:45] <harryfreak359> Happy new Years! [16:45] <sorikku> happy new year biggrin [16:45] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [16:45] <ProngsPatronus> Harry New Year, all! [16:45] <nympheart> hi adam [16:45] <harryfreak359> Hi adam! [16:45] <Val_Halla> hi adam [16:45] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [16:45] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Adam! [16:45] <fawkes28> hi adam smile [16:46] <sorikku> erro [16:46] <fawkes28> repeat of question: Will Harry ever get a chance to speak to Lily? [16:46] <JaneMarple9> Good to see you Adam [16:46] <adamgryff> hi eveyone sorry about the post earlier [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> yes [16:46] <sorikku> m.... [16:46] <Val_Halla> I think we may learn more about Lily and James thru memories not actual communication [16:46] <JaneMarple9> I hope he will [16:46] <sorikku> i agree with val [16:46] <Pellinore> only if the story gets really tacky [16:46] <harryfreak359> I really do think that Luna is right about what she said about her speaking to her own morther [16:46] <tldy969> he already did talk to her in gof [16:46] <JaneMarple9> I want to learn much more about Lily [16:46] <sorikku> luna what? [16:46] <fawkes28> Is her secret possibly that she has left some kind of way to communicate with Harry? [16:46] <Expelliarmas> In a way he has spoken to her; at the end of GoF. I don't think he'll get a chance to speak with her in a more general sense [16:46] <MrMcGonagall> no, I don't think that's it. [16:47] <nympheart> I don't think so, how would she do that? [16:47] <harryfreak359> No I don't think so [16:47] <JaneMarple9> That is what I hope Fawkes [16:47] <adamgryff> I don't think there is [16:47] <JaneMarple9> I hope that Aunt Petunia has to give Harry something, when he comes of age [16:47] <Pellinore> don't buy that.. it makes death less of an issue if you can talk between life & death [16:47] <fawkes28> it makes me wonder how else he will fine out to communicate with her [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps there is a globe similar to the Prophecy globes in the ruins of Godric's Hollow... [16:47] <Val_Halla> No, that I think would be a betrayal of what Jo has been adamnt about up until now - when you're dead, you're dead [16:47] <JaneMarple9> that tells us something important about Lily [16:47] <JaneMarple9> and Harry's parentage [16:47] <fawkes28> I think he definitely needs to go through the veil though to communicate with her [16:48] <Expelliarmas> well, we still have the unsolved mystery of the two-way mirrors [16:48] <adamgryff> I don't like the whole going through the veil thing. It seems so final [16:48] <Val_Halla> maybe Lily left a will or one of HER memories and Petunia has it [16:48] <tldy969> shes been ademant about no one coming back to life, but she has also made it clear that there is more after death [16:48] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure it's going through the veil - maybe more like putting an ear to the veil. [16:48] <nympheart> I think more along the lines of a possible diary, Val, but something like that [16:48] <JaneMarple9> thats a nice idea Val [16:48] <Expelliarmas> that seems a nice idea, VAl [16:48] <harryfreak359> I don't think that he is going through the veil to talk to her, I don't he needs too [16:48] <Val_Halla> a diary would be wonderful [16:49] <JaneMarple9> I hope Lily has left Harry with something physical [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> lol--another diary... [16:49] <JaneMarple9> a diary has been used before though [16:49] <JaneMarple9> surely not another diary [16:49] <fawkes28> i think he does or needs to see the world of the dead in some other way as it is part of a hero's journey [16:49] <nympheart> well, there's a couple of different mirrors...but it was just an idea [16:50] <sorikku> hm [16:50] <fawkes28> Is there any point or question not mentioned in this chat that you wanted to discuss concerning Lily's secret? [16:50] <sorikku> mirrors usually represent something dark [16:50] <Pellinore> I can see a portrait or some other echo left behind but not direct communication with the afterlife. The entire journey to the world of the dead concept and comeing back annoys me mas much as time travel [16:50] <sorikku> especially in really old stories, where you'd see dead people in them [16:50] <sorikku> and the whole halloween thing [16:50] <sorikku> if anyone knows the story of the whole bloody mary thing tongue [16:51] <nympheart> ugh, time travel annoys me, but I can possibly see the land of the dead depending on how it's portrayed [16:51] <sorikku> so what if he speaks with someone dead throught the mirror on all hallow's eve? [16:51] <Val_Halla> Perhaps some communication thru the Veil on Halloween? [16:51] <fawkes28> what else do you want to talk about with LIly's secret [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> Lily had an incomparable gift--active Love--- a gift she passed to her son, Harry. There is nothing humans wish for more than that gift. [16:52] <harryfreak359> Yes, Prongs [16:52] <fawkes28> Do you think her secret has to do with Love, Prongs? [16:52] <Expelliarmas> Somehow, I don't see Lily having a "secret" per se; there may be an unknown aspect to her, but with so little that we have about her, anything could be a big revelation [16:52] <Pellinore> somehow i think their's more links to her secret in the books .... seems to much of a loose ended plot line without more information to back up whatever answer we're going ot get in 7 [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [16:52] <nympheart> I think I agree that Love is the major part of it [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> active Love is nothing like what we have been led to believe of love--passive, wimpy [16:53] <fawkes28> her sacrifice is the biggest one we have seen - it very well may be tied to the secret somehow [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> Active Love is a terrible, awesome power. [16:53] <JaneMarple9> yes love will be the focus of book7 [16:53] <adamgryff> yes prongs it is [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> Part of the reason I think Snape and Lily had some sort of relationship is because I think only love would have convinced DD that Snape was truly sorry about the prophecy. [16:54] <harryfreak359> yes, Prongs, it truely is [16:54] <JaneMarple9> the only thing Voldie is frightened of [16:54] <sorikku> good point mmg o.O [16:54] <tldy969> and dumbledore then wud never tell anyone about it [16:54] <tldy969> cuz its snape's secret [16:54] <Val_Halla> Which is why I think Snape was trying to right his wrong and was in communication with Lily [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> and that , I think, is what made him curious about Lily [16:54] <fawkes28> i think it has something to do with that mr. m [16:54] <fawkes28> What thoughts or new ideas are you going to take away from this chat? [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> he is the supreme rationalist [16:55] <harryfreak359> I don't know, there were a lot of good thoughts here [16:55] <Val_Halla> but Snape failed and is therefore very bitter (even more than before) [16:55] <Expelliarmas> I'll likely come away as confused as ever. typical [16:55] <sorikku> hah [16:55] <sorikku> agreed [16:55] <harryfreak359> lol [16:55] <fawkes28> there were many good thoughts [16:55] <JaneMarple9> lots of new thought [16:55] <JaneMarple9> which i saw of them [16:55] <harryfreak359> That's what i love about the CB, people here have some many interesting theories [16:55] <Val_Halla> Pellinore's idea that Lily was spared because she had access to something [16:56] <tldy969> i thnk that the reason snape is so terrible towards harry is because lily died to save him, and snape doesnt think harry was worth it [16:56] <ProngsPatronus> I liked that, too [16:56] <sorikku> that works [16:56] <JaneMarple9> 100 % agreed Harryfreak [16:56] <harryfreak359> Yeah, that was good [16:56] <harryfreak359> smile [16:56] <fawkes28> I think I came to the conclusion that it voldemort did not spare lily just because of snape - i think he had a different motive with wanting to save lily [16:57] <harryfreak359> Me too Fawkes, saving Lily because of Snape deosn't seem very LV-like [16:57] <tldy969> is there really many people that could convince voldemort to do something like that [16:57] <adamgryff> I agree fawkes [16:57] <Expelliarmas> I think if he didn't want to kill her, he saw some value to her which he could use later [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> that would not be in LV's character [16:57] <nympheart> "Lord Voldemort rewards his helpers" [16:57] <Val_Halla> I never thought it was because of Snape; LV seems to reward only when and what he wants, not by request [16:57] <fawkes28> yes, and before the chat that i was thinking it was because of snape but now my mind is changed smile [16:58] <harryfreak359> I certainly got some new thoughts [16:58] <MrMcGonagall> Thanks for the great chat, everyone! Group hug time! [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> well, my friends, it has been grand. I hope everyone has a wonderful new Year! [16:59] <harryfreak359> Whoo hoo! [16:59] <Val_Halla> (((hugs))) [16:59] <sorikku> *shies away from the hug* [16:59] <Pellinore> ya'll made my year thanks ;) [16:59] <harryfreak359> Happy new years everyone! [16:59] * nympheart hugs [16:59] <adamgryff> happy new year all [16:59] <Pellinore> happy new years *wave* [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> see you next year, all! [16:59] <JaneMarple9> (((((((((((((((all my Corner Booth buddies)))))))))))))))))))))) [16:59] <fawkes28> our last group hug of 2006! This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Dec 31 2006, 05:57 PM -------------------- All Aboard! |
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[16:59] <nympheart> the last hug of 2006
[16:59] <Expelliarmas> WOOT! Group Hug Time! Happy New Year Everyone [16:59] <sorikku> happy new year everyone, thanks for the discussion ^^ [16:59] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [16:59] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug [16:59] * fawkes28 joins the group hug [16:59] *** sorikku left #lounge [] [16:59] <fawkes28> woo hoo, expie smile [16:59] <Val_Halla> bye all [16:59] <harryfreak359> Wow, that's right it's our last hug of 2006, never thought of that [16:59] * JaneMarple9 wishes everybody a happy, and healthy, 2007 [17:00] * ProngsPatronus gives e-hugs all round the group [17:00] * MrMcGonagall squeezes really hard. [17:00] <adamgryff> bye everone [17:00] <fawkes28> yes, everyone have a great 2007! [17:00] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [17:00] <ProngsPatronus> ta-ta! [17:00] *** Val_Halla has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [17:00] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [17:00] <fawkes28> bye everyone smile [17:00] * JaneMarple9 big hugs all around [17:00] <Expelliarmas> bye everyone [17:00] <harryfreak359> bye everyone, thanks for the great chat! [17:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [17:01] *** tldy969 left #lounge [] [17:01] <fawkes28> good job! [17:01] <fawkes28> right on time smile [17:02] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] -------------------- All Aboard! |
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