P3 Chat Transcript For Sept. 10, 2006, Aunt Petunia's Role in Book 7 |
 Sep 10 2006, 04:31 PM
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[15:04] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:04] *** Topic is: Aunt Petunia [15:04] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [15:04] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:04] <fawkes28> how is everyone today? [15:04] <Poet> Excellent [15:04] <harryfreak359> great [15:04] <Aislinn> good - how about you, fawkes? [15:04] <Aquamarine> My chat just disconnected... did that happen to everyone? [15:04] <Angelyka13> all right... last day of my vacation though [15:04] <futureweasley> Fawkes! [15:04] <fawkes28> doing well thanks [15:04] <Poet> Yes, it did Aquamarine [15:04] <harryfreak359> yeah it happened to me too [15:04] <fawkes28> hey MJ [15:04] <Aislinn> yes, aqua - it happened to me too [15:04] <Aquamarine> ok [15:04] <Aislinn> oh, too bad angel [15:05] <futureweasley> !botsnack [15:05] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [15:05] <Sofie> university starts tomorrow for me too sad [15:05] <futureweasley> let's not start with that today, please, Snuffles [15:05] <fawkes28> good luck [15:05] <Aquamarine> how do you make the little star liek snuffles did? [15:05] <harryfreak359> lol [15:05] <Angelyka13> i would love it to be school... unfortunatly its work i return to [15:05] <Poet> "/" "me action [15:05] * Poet sighs [15:05] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:06] <harryfreak359> wb sooner [15:06] <Aquamarine> "/" "me Hello again! [15:06] <Sofie> hey SG! [15:06] <Poet> "/me" sighs..... [15:06] * futureweasley sighs [15:06] <harryfreak359> with out the quotations [15:06] <Poet> remove the quotes Aquamarine [15:06] <Aquamarine> Ooops... [15:06] <Poet> It's for actions [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry guys [15:06] <Aquamarine> thanks! [15:06] <Poet> welcome [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I was having technical difficulties [15:06] * futureweasley hugs SoonerGryffindor [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:06] <Poet> aww [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks [15:06] <harryfreak359> we all were sooner [15:06] <futureweasley> it's not just you [15:07] <harryfreak359> it kicked us all off [15:07] <Sofie> those flying pigs again... [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:07] <harryfreak359> lol [15:07] <Aislinn> darn pigs! [15:07] <futureweasley> the flying pigs! [15:07] <Aquamarine> lol [15:07] <Angelyka13> so i finally took the leap off the cliff and signed up for phoenix [15:07] * Sofie still has nightamres about them [15:07] <futureweasley> darn Petunia! [15:07] <harryfreak359> the piggies! [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> has snuffles been fed? [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fw [15:07] <Poet> I think Snuffles must be a Texas fan [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Aislinn [15:07] <futureweasley> right, get him good and fat [15:07] <harryfreak359> lol [15:07] <Aislinn> gotta keep snuffles happy smile [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Powr [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> or Poet [15:07] <futureweasley> :wink: [15:08] <futureweasley> wink [15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry guys, still trying to learn to type I guess [15:08] <futureweasley> Poet the Power Ranger [15:08] <Poet> Aren't we all [15:08] <Aquamarine> Me too [15:08] <fawkes28> lol [15:08] <Sofie> lolol [15:08] <Sofie> so true [15:08] <Poet> As long as I get to be the pink one [15:08] <harryfreak359> My computer is still having problems so I'll be on and off all day [15:08] <futureweasley> nice! [15:08] <fawkes28> lol [15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> one day hr, you are going to get that fixed [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> and be able to join us for the whole chat [15:09] <harryfreak359> welll this is a new problem Sooner [15:09] <harryfreak359> I fixed the others [15:09] <Aislinn> I thought you got a faster connection, hf? [15:09] <harryfreak359> i do now [15:09] <fawkes28> we hope you wont get kicked off today! [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> another problem? [15:09] <harryfreak359> but my firewall doesn't like the idea of wireless internet [15:09] <Poet> Sorry to hear that [15:09] <Aquamarine> That stinks. [15:09] <Sofie> thank god i dont have wireless [15:09] <harryfreak359> or networking...I' not sure which [15:10] * futureweasley suggests turning firewall off during chat [15:10] <fawkes28> oh i love wireless [15:10] <Aquamarine> Can you do that fw? [15:10] <harryfreak359> hehehe...then with my luck I'll get tons of viruses [15:10] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome gryffindelle [15:10] <Aquamarine> Hello! [15:10] <harryfreak359> Computers never agree with me [15:10] <gryffindelle> hi [15:10] <fawkes28> hello [15:10] <Aquamarine> I am really bad with computers too... [15:10] <Poet> Hmm [15:10] <Sofie> hey [15:11] <harryfreak359> I was really surprised that I was able to get into CoC with no problem [15:11] <Angelyka13> did you know a computer reacts to human emotions? [15:11] <Aquamarine> Oh, my CoC doesn't work anymore. [15:11] <Angelyka13> something with the electromagnetic waves [15:11] <Aquamarine> It wants me to install a new control or something. [15:11] <harryfreak359> oh that is too bad [15:11] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [15:11] <futureweasley> hi Theoriser [15:11] <harryfreak359> oh yeah, probably an updated version of ActiveX [15:11] <Sofie> hey hannah! [15:11] <gryffindelle> hi theoriser [15:11] <Theoriser> hi guys [15:11] <harryfreak359> hi theoriser [15:11] <Theoriser> what are we talking about? [15:11] <fawkes28> hello theoriser [15:11] <Aquamarine> Yeh, thats the one HF [15:12] * futureweasley fangirls Theoriser [15:12] <harryfreak359> yeah I had to do that [15:12] <Aquamarine> Does it mess your computer up? [15:12] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [15:12] <Aquamarine> My computer seems to think it will... [15:12] <futureweasley> hey adamgryff! [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hi adamgryff [15:12] <fawkes28> hey adam [15:12] <Aquamarine> hey Adam [15:12] <adamgryff> hi everyone [15:12] <harryfreak359> no, if it is a safe site, then don't worry about [15:12] <Sofie> hey adam [15:12] <harryfreak359> hi adam [15:13] <Aquamarine> Oh, alright, I think I'm going to try to do that later. [15:13] <Poet> welcome [15:13] <harryfreak359> if you don't trust the site then don't install it [15:13] <harryfreak359> it only takes a few minutes to do [15:13] <Aquamarine> I think I'm going to try and install in afterwards.. [15:13] <harryfreak359> what is your screen name there? [15:13] <Aquamarine> Hopefully I'll be able to get back on smile [15:14] <Poet> So...how about those football games.... [15:14] <Aquamarine> Aquamarine [15:14] <harryfreak359> oh cool [15:14] <Aquamarine> Yep, what's yours? [15:14] <harryfreak359> mine is Nimthiriel... [15:14] <futureweasley> The Lions are holding their own against Seattle [15:14] <futureweasley> I'm impressed [15:14] * SoonerGryffindor is very happy with football season so far [15:14] <Aquamarine> Notre Dame won last night!!! [15:14] <futureweasley> KC is getting creamed [15:14] * harryfreak359 doesn't watch football [15:14] <Angelyka13> football??? it's still baseball season [15:14] <fawkes28> i am not a football fan [15:15] * Sofie is confused... [15:15] <Aquamarine> I only watch college football [15:15] * SoonerGryffindor lives for football and HP [15:15] <Aquamarine> LOL [15:15] <adamgryff> lol [15:15] * harryfreak359 just lives for HP [15:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make [15:15] <futureweasley> some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [15:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of [15:15] <futureweasley> your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that [15:15] <futureweasley> appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia Dursley; sister of Lily Evans, wife of Vernon Dursley, and mother of Dudley Dursley. She has had letters from Dumbledore, eavesdropped on Lily and "that awful boy", taken Harry in and raised him even though she seems to hate him, and knows a little more than she should about the magical world [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> So, how much does she know, and how much are we going to find out? That's what we're here to discuss. [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> &BFirst off, what impression do you get from Petunia about what kind of person she is? [15:17] <futureweasley> sorry about that, guys! [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> technical difficulties [15:17] <Aquamarine> No problem futureweasley [15:17] <Sofie> she is horrible person. [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> you guys know the rules anyway, right? smile [15:18] <Aquamarine> Yep. [15:18] <harryfreak359> I am queen of technical difficutlies [15:18] <gryffindelle> yeah [15:18] <harryfreak359> yeah, [15:18] *** Shard has joined #lounge [15:18] <gryffindelle> hi shard [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Shard! [15:18] <harryfreak359> hi shard [15:18] <Aquamarine> Hey ! [15:18] <Shard> Hi All [15:18] <Shard> Were talking about Aunt Petunia today? [15:19] <Aquamarine> Yes. [15:19] <futureweasley> I get the impression that Petunia is a really wretched person [15:19] <Poet> First impressions yes - she swings a pan at Harry's head... she spies on the neighbors... gives Harry bread and cheese when the rest of the family has a nice dinner with the Masons.... [15:19] <Theoriser> I get the impression she's a horrible person, but then again she took Harry in, so I don't know [15:19] <fawkes28> i thought she was a snob [15:19] <Poet> So my first impressions is that she is not a nice person [15:19] <Shard> She is odd isn't she? [15:19] <harryfreak359> First impression. Someone who lives around what others think of her [15:19] <Aquamarine> My first impression... she's very clean. [15:19] <adamgryff> agree harryfreak [15:19] <Sofie> she is narrow minded [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder about her [15:19] <gryffindelle> An egotistical snob [15:19] <Shard> She treats harry horribly but rather he be with Mrs. Figg rather then Aunt Marge who "hates the boy" [15:19] <Aquamarine> But she did take Harry in. [15:20] <Angelyka13> I agree harryfreak [15:20] <harryfreak359> a cleanfreak, and absolutely nosy [15:20] <futureweasley> she doesn't like anything new or different...she's very much a creature of habit [15:20] <gryffindelle> yeah [15:20] <fawkes28> she does not want to stand out in a crowd [15:20] <Sofie> do you think she had the choice though. i mean about taking harry [15:20] <harryfreak359> yeah future [15:20] <Aislinn> She seems very uptight, with a huge need to control her environment [15:20] <Shard> I've been thinking that she does care for Harry... on some level [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Shard, you bring up a good point. I wonder why she treats him like that? [15:20] <futureweasley> unless it makes her look better than everyone else [15:20] <Aquamarine> Agreed Shard. [15:20] <Shard> Have you ever heard the term "I love you but I don't love what your doing"? [15:20] <Poet> She is described with horse-like features. I image her struting around with her nose held high. [15:20] <Aquamarine> I think she did have a choice Sofie.... [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:20] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome jane [15:21] <Shard> Thats how I think she viewed Lily and Harry [15:21] <harryfreak359> hi jane [15:21] <futureweasley> hi Jane [15:21] <Aislinn> yes, Poet [15:21] <gryffindelle> I think she still has some pity for him, though she spends her whole life trying to deny it [15:21] <JaneMarple9> hi all [15:21] <Shard> Hi Jane [15:21] <gryffindelle> hi jane [15:21] <Aquamarine> Hello [15:21] <Shard> That she may love her blood family, but doesn't love that they are involved with Magic [15:21] <harryfreak359> I think she may care a little about him, but doesn't want to show it because she is afraid of what Vernon would thnk [15:21] <harryfreak359> think* [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo has said that Petunia is a muggle, not a squib. However, she has also said that there is "more to her than meets the eye". So what do you think it is? [15:21] <futureweasley> she does an AWESOME job of hiding it, if she does have love for Harry [15:21] <fawkes28> i agree future [15:21] <Angelyka13> I think she's too afraid to get close to Harry... perhaps pushing him off might lessen the blow if something happenbs [15:21] <JaneMarple9> yes, somhow, Aunt Petunia feels sorry for Harry [15:22] <futureweasley> I have my thoughts... [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> lets hear them fw [15:22] <Shard> Well she isn't a Closet Witch either unfortunatly [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> too bad for that [15:22] <futureweasley> I think that Petunia was in the Order the first time around [15:22] <harryfreak359> she know more about the wizarding world than she lets on, and she cares more for harry too [15:22] <Shard> Tell me about it [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that thought FW [15:22] <Shard> That would be a twist [15:22] <Aislinn> nope - Jo refuted any magic from Petunia [15:22] <Aquamarine> But she's a muggle Fw. How could she be in the Order? [15:22] <Sofie> possibly FW [15:22] <Shard> She did seem to understand what it meant that Voldemort was back [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> A. Figg is in the order [15:22] <futureweasley> kind of like the muggle "ear on the street" [15:22] <Shard> Like she had experienced the war [15:22] <fawkes28> what do you think her job was, fw? [15:22] <Theoriser> I always thought she was a squib, but now we know she's not I think she got a lot of information about the magical world from her sister [15:22] <Shard> and wasn't shielded from it [15:22] <JaneMarple9> yes, she has to know more about the wizarding world [15:22] <Aquamarine> True, but what would she do for the Order? [15:23] <harryfreak359> Maybe she is a Muggle spy for them [15:23] <harryfreak359> she'd be good at it [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> well, she's definitely nosy enough [15:23] <harryfreak359> :P [15:23] <JaneMarple9> could be smile [15:23] <Aquamarine> LOL [15:23] <Poet> I don't think she has any magical power, nor do I think she'll get any, but I think she has belongings of the Potters and knowledge about them that she should have shared and hasn't. I think she'll have some stuff of Harry's to hand over to him when he turns 17. [15:23] <gryffindelle> I agree, Petunia knows information, but I think that she knew EVERYTHING that Dumbledore knows, not just parts. I also have a reason to back it up: she is not in contact with the wizarding world, so voldemort would not be likely to come after her for information, and there are many ways that Dumbledore could contact her secretly (so Voldemort and other Death Eaters) would not realize, for example, jeanlorraine's theory that the [15:23] <Aislinn> why would she have changed so dramatically, if that was what she was doing earlier? [15:23] <futureweasley> she would get reports from muggle television and news papers...look out of unexplained muggle disappearances [15:23] <harryfreak359> Vernon, Aislinn...that's why she would have changed [15:23] <Shard> She doesn't have to change nessarly [15:23] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [15:23] * SoonerGryffindor just got an amusing image of Vernon finding out that Petunia had been a member of the OotP [15:23] <futureweasley> Love changes things [15:23] <gryffindelle> sorry [15:24] <JaneMarple9> I thinks she terrified of her husband [15:24] <futureweasley> I think so too Jane [15:24] <futureweasley> she's afraid of a lot of things...and I think that mainly stems from Vernon [15:24] <harryfreak359> LOL Sooner [15:24] *** Shard has joined #lounge [15:24] <futureweasley> he'll be so mad! [15:24] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:24] <harryfreak359> I agree [15:24] <harryfreak359> hi cloudpic [15:24] * Sofie got an amusing image of Petunia telling Vernon about her sister being a witch [15:24] <gryffindelle> I think that she knows all that dd knows [15:24] <Aquamarine> Perhaps... she was terrified of what was going on and somehow thought that Vernon would protect her? Maybe she knew so much about the wizarding world that it sacared her into seeking protection? [15:24] <Theoriser> no, I really don't think she was in the order the first time [15:24] <Aislinn> so you think that she acts so bitter and controlling, and mean to Harry - all because of Vernon? [15:24] <futureweasley> hi Cloudpic! [15:25] <Shard> I think Petunia may have helped the Order and DD in some way, to help safe guard her family [15:25] <harryfreak359> I think that is part of it Aislinn [15:25] <cloudpic> Hi, all...Poor old Petunia... [15:25] *** Alianor has joined #lounge [15:25] <gryffindelle> hi cloudpic [15:25] <JaneMarple9> hi cloudpic [15:25] <Poet> Perhaps they have an attic. I imagine Petunia has old photos of when she and Lily were kids, perhaps there is even someting under that loose floorboard on the staircase [15:25] <gryffindelle> and alianor [15:25] <Alianor> Yay, I found it. [15:25] <futureweasley> yes, I think that Vernon is a large part of why Petunia acts the way she does [15:25] <harryfreak359> hi alianor [15:25] <Shard> Agreed [15:25] <futureweasley> glad you made it Alianor [15:25] <gryffindelle> yes, fw [15:26] <Shard> When she mentioned what the Demenotors were she was horrifed [15:26] <harryfreak359> agree Future [15:26] <Aislinn> that seems like too much of a stretch to me [15:26] <gryffindelle> brb [15:26] <Aquamarine> Who thinks that Petunia DOES have some kind of affection for Harry deep down? [15:26] <futureweasley> I think she acts in a way that she thinks Vernon wants her too [15:26] <Alianor> I'm almost surprised Petunie even told Vernon about her sister before Harry's arrival forced the issue. [15:26] <cloudpic> I've thought too that Petunia's attitude may have been started by terror...her sister was murdered!, Aquamarine [15:26] <Shard> But she seems to actualy care more for Harry then Aunt Marge does at any rate [15:26] <JaneMarple9> she seemed to know all about the Dementors [15:26] <harryfreak359> I don't think that is the whole reason though [15:26] <Shard> Marge = Evil [15:26] <cloudpic> I do. [15:26] <harryfreak359> I think she is afraid of Magic [15:26] <harryfreak359> and what i could do to her [15:26] <harryfreak359> it* [15:26] <cloudpic> That she has some affection for Harry [15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Why does Petunia hate magic? [15:26] <JaneMarple9> Marge is a muggle Umbridge biggrin [15:26] <Aislinn> I can't imagine someone who would have the values that would make them participate in the Order, all of a sudden abandoning all of that and completely changing their personality for the likes of Vernon [15:26] <Aquamarine> She is scared [15:26] <futureweasley> I don't think she's always been afraid of magic [15:26] <cloudpic> She has every reason to be afraid of magic [15:27] <harryfreak359> because she is scared of it' [15:27] <Shard> That is a good question [15:27] <Alianor> Maybe a little jealous? [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> it killed her sister [15:27] <fawkes28> i do think she is upset because it killed her sister [15:27] <Theoriser> maybe because of what happened to Lily [15:27] <cloudpic> Her talented sister and husband were murdered [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> and caused her to have to raise Harry [15:27] <adamgryff> I agree Soooner [15:27] <harryfreak359> possibly jealousy [15:27] <Aquamarine> Oo... I like that Alianor! [15:27] <cloudpic> and the house blown up [15:27] <Alianor> Lily was clearly already 'the pretty sister' [15:27] <Shard> Very good SoonerGryffindor [15:27] <cloudpic> That'd scare me too [15:27] <JaneMarple9> I think she must have been jealous of Lily [15:27] <Shard> I think that did upset her [15:27] <Theoriser> and maybe that's why she was so scared when Harry told her Voldemort was back [15:27] <futureweasley> yes, Lily's death was a turning point on petunia's attitude about magic [15:27] <Sofie> im sure she is still jealous [15:27] <harryfreak359> possibly theoriser [15:27] <Aislinn> She was disdainful of it before her sister was killed [15:27] <JaneMarple9> she probably would had wanted to go to Hogwarts too [15:27] <futureweasley> I think she was jealous, yeah Sofie [15:27] <Shard> Some have theorized when she screamed at seeing Harry on the door step it was becaised she realised that Lily was dead [15:27] <harryfreak359> I could see that Aislinn [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> also, I think that people tend to fear what they don't understand [15:28] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [15:28] <Shard> I think she was upset that she couldnt use magic [15:28] <cloudpic> Maybe jealousy was her earlier reaction to Lily's success and attention [15:28] <harryfreak359> but when Lily died, she became scared of it [15:28] <futureweasley> that's because of something else... [15:28] <Aquamarine> Well, she said something like "Our parents were so proud when she got her letter" so she couls definetly be jealous [15:28] <Aislinn> she had lost touch with her sister, and did not want to discuss her or her son, before she learned of Lily's fate [15:28] <cloudpic> But Lily is dead [15:28] <Shard> Defintatly [15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome siobhan [15:28] <harryfreak359> hi siobhan4hp [15:28] <Siobhan4hp> Hi [15:28] <Shard> Hi [15:28] <Alianor> howdy, sio [15:28] <fawkes28> hello [15:28] <Aquamarine> Perhaps Petunia was guilty in some way about Lily's death ?? [15:28] <Siobhan4hp> I almost forgot [15:28] <cloudpic> Do we know Petunia and Lily weren't in touch before Lily [15:28] <cloudpic> s death [15:28] <futureweasley> right, there was definitely some event that happened to make her hate magic... [15:28] <Aislinn> I think she is too concerned with other people's opinions, and didn't want to be associated with anything that could be viewed as different [15:28] <futureweasley> yes [15:28] <Angelyka13> I think it is very possible that her losing touch with Lily may have been part of DD's plan so to not connect her with the order [15:28] <harryfreak359> okay my firewall is reacting badly...brb [15:28] <JaneMarple9> Lily's definatly dead. but there is some connection with her sister [15:29] <Shard> Lily and Petunia hadnt talked for years [15:29] <fawkes28> maybe james found some way to tease her with magic [15:29] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:29] <Poet> In Book 1 she seemed to have some long-seated resentment against Lily for taking some of the attention away from her when she and Lily were children. Magic was one area where she couldn't and never would be able to compete with her sister. Petunia seems to want to be the best. [15:29] <cloudpic> After a terrible trauma...isn't it natural to want to be safe...to control your environment any way you can (cleaning obsessively [15:29] <Shard> That Aweful Boy [15:29] <futureweasley> well, Vernon doesn't know much about Harry or the Potters...that doesn't necessarily mean that Petunia wasn't in touch with Petunia [15:29] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [15:29] <Alianor> And also I think she's a bit narrow, just not a particularly imaginative person, so Lily turning out to be a witch really stretched her view of the world. [15:29] <futureweasley> let's hold off on "that awful boy" for a minute [15:29] <Aislinn> she was like that before Lily's death, cloudpic [15:29] <Sofie> i see the "that aweful boy" discussion coming smile [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, that will be a question in a bit [15:30] <Shard> I mean I think he is another reason she may hate magic [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia has ever been to places like Diagon Alley with Lily when she started Hogwarts? [15:30] <Aquamarine> I doubt it. [15:30] <Poet> I think so, yes [15:30] <futureweasley> yes, I do [15:30] <Shard> Not geiting into identity but reason why he's Aweful [15:30] <JaneMarple9> She might had been [15:30] <fawkes28> i think she may have gone at least the first time [15:30] <cloudpic> I bet she was [15:30] <adamgryff> I think so [15:30] <Angelyka13> thats very possible... Hermione's parents have been there havent they? [15:30] <Alianor> I think Petunia has had more contact with the wiz' world than she lets on. [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> that and platform 9&3/4 [15:30] <fawkes28> and then the resentment began [15:30] <cloudpic> I'd think her parents would have taken her if possible [15:30] <Aislinn> probably at least the first year that Lily went off to school [15:30] <Alianor> The Grangers have, yeah. [15:30] <cloudpic> Yes. [15:31] <Poet> Hermione's parents go with her to Diagon Alley. Hermione is an only child. I imagine the Evans wouldn't leave one child behind. [15:31] <futureweasley> I think Petunia wanted to go to Hogwarts, too [15:31] <JaneMarple9> She probably met Lily's friends too [15:31] <Theoriser> she could have done, if Lily's parents went with her she would have gone as well [15:31] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [15:31] <Shard> Agreed FW [15:31] <fawkes28> who wouldnt resent their sibling if they were in petunia's position? [15:31] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:31] <futureweasley> and seeing all of the things that Lily got to experience really made her jealous [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree also [15:31] <JaneMarple9> Petunia wanted more than anything to go to Hogwarts I think [15:31] <Alianor> I'd have trouble not resenting my sister in her situation. [15:31] <cloudpic> Depends on whether Petunia had her own "special" things in the family [15:31] *** Norris has joined #lounge [15:31] <Sofie> id love to escort my sister to Diagon Alley [15:31] <harryfreak359> hi Norris! [15:31] <futureweasley> it was her Mirror of Erised, Jane? [15:32] *** Norris has quit [Bye] [15:32] <adamgryff> good point futureweasley [15:32] <Aquamarine> Perhaps her mirror was that ..... [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, I like that FW [15:32] <harryfreak359> oh that is interesting Future [15:32] <Poet> Imagine what a muggle child would see simply by looking at the spines of the books in Flourish and Blotts. She'd see how much the magic world is hiding from the muggle world. [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> kinda sad..... sad [15:32] <futureweasley> very sad [15:32] <harryfreak359> yeah sad [15:32] <Aquamarine> :( [15:32] <Shard> Imagine a Squib now [15:32] <Aislinn> Wow - I have a really different view of Petunia than her wanting to be magical, or having anything to do with it [15:32] <Shard> Even sadder [15:32] <cloudpic> Or scary. [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Shard [15:32] <futureweasley> she's not a squib, though [15:32] <Aquamarine> That would be horrible too Shard. [15:32] <Alianor> I've said before that muggle family members of witches and wizards are really in a tough spot. [15:33] <JaneMarple9> yes that's a idea, that what she'd probably see yes [15:33] <fawkes28> she puts up a front so no one knows how she really feels [15:33] <cloudpic> You're right [15:33] <Shard> No, but the point goes that a person can become bitter from not having with the other has [15:33] <Shard> I agree Fawkes28 [15:33] <futureweasley> yes, Shard [15:33] <Aislinn> I think we all think its fascinating to be magical, but I don't think that she did [15:33] <futureweasley> and, you are right, too Fawkes [15:33] <cloudpic> I wonder if she knows her own true feelings or just tells herself she's on the right track out of desperation [15:33] *** Angelyka13 left #lounge [] [15:33] <Aislinn> I think she felt threatened by it - it made things different, and she doesn't like differences [15:33] <futureweasley> I think the person she's deceiving the most is herself [15:33] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [15:33] <Alianor> I think she was jealous, but I think the status quo is more important to her than magic [15:33] <Alianor> She doesn't want to stand out. [15:33] <Poet> I've wondered that as well cloudpic - perhaps a little of both [15:34] <cloudpic> We do... we love these books... but there are people who're just not interested [15:34] <fawkes28> i am sure she has lost touch with her own feelings but then when she heard voldemort was back her memories came flooding back to her [15:34] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:34] <Aquamarine> I have to go, bye! [15:34] <Aislinn> right, alianor, she doesn't want to stand out - normal is very important to her [15:34] <futureweasley> she doesn't want to stand out, unless she looks better than everybody else [15:34] <futureweasley> bye Aqua [15:34] <fawkes28> bye [15:34] <Aquamarine> be back a little later perhaps! [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think Petunia agreed to look after Harry? Was it her own choice, or did she have to? [15:34] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [15:34] <cloudpic> Bye Aqua [15:34] <Poet> Yes, I agree that perhaps her feeling on the matter have changed from time to time, but not changed recently. [15:34] <Alianor> Yeah, FW, like...exceptionally normal...I guess... [15:34] <JaneMarple9> She probably was annoyed that her sister was more magical than her [15:34] <Shard> Her choice [15:34] <fawkes28> i think in order for the magic to work, she had to make the choice [15:34] <futureweasley> I think DD's letter made a very powerful plea [15:34] <cloudpic> Dumbledore is sooo big on choice, there had to be some measure of choice there [15:34] <Shard> It has to bve her choice [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder [15:35] <Shard> otherwise the magic wouldn't work [15:35] <futureweasley> and I think she has a personal relationship with Dumbledore [15:35] <Siobhan4hp> I like to think she felt bad, about the way she treated Lily, I don't think Petunia is completely evil. [15:35] <adamgryff> I think she cared for her sister [15:35] <Aislinn> Jane, leave the bold for the mods please [15:35] <cloudpic> But, as you said future, he'd have made it seem very important [15:35] <Alianor> And the howler he sent her was more about holding her to her commitment, not keeping her under his thumb [15:35] <JaneMarple9> sorry. yes, she loved her sister at some time [15:35] <Sofie> i gotta go guys! *waves* bye all [15:36] <futureweasley> bye Sofie [15:36] <fawkes28> maybe she did know dumbledore before lily died so it made it easier for her to accept [15:36] <cloudpic> bye, Sofie [15:36] <Alianor> I don't think she's evil, either. In fact, I think she's maddeningly neutral. [15:36] <Siobhan4hp> by sofie [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> there's a theory floating around in Unfogging that maybe she is the subject of a fidelius charm [15:36] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [15:36] <Siobhan4hp> *bye [15:36] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> and that maybe that was her incentive [15:36] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:36] <Poet> Harry was left and Petunia didn't find him until the morning. Somehow Dumbledore knew she'd take him perhaps? I wonder if they'd previously discussed it - [15:36] <futureweasley> remind me of what a fidelius charm is? [15:36] <futureweasley> please [15:36] <cloudpic> I've never understood the reasoning behind saying Petunia had to have received letters from Dumbledore prior to the note on the baby's basket [15:36] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> that maybe she was protected under the charm if she took Harry in [15:37] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [15:37] <Alianor> Prior to? There's nothing to indicate that. [15:37] <harryfreak359> the fidelius charm is the charm that is performed for the secret keeper [15:37] <cloudpic> Welcome back, Aqua... [15:37] <futureweasley> I think that Petunia and Dumbledore had "dealings with" before [15:37] <cloudpic> Why do you think so future? [15:37] *** Shard has joined #lounge [15:37] <futureweasley> I think she was working for the Order [15:37] <harryfreak359> to make someone a secret keeper* [15:37] <cloudpic> Petunia!!?? [15:37] <futureweasley> yes [15:37] <futureweasley> lol [15:37] <harryfreak359> lol [15:38] <harryfreak359> I don't [15:38] <cloudpic> Whoa. [15:38] <Alianor> But 4 Privet Drive clearly isn't a secret. [15:38] <cloudpic> Why? How? [15:38] <Shard> I don't think she could be under a fidalus charm [15:38] <futureweasley> I don't think so either, Shard [15:38] <Shard> For one thing Dobby, the Twins, Sirius and Dementors all have NO problem finding Privet Drive [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Aunt Petunia treat Harry so badly after taking him in? [15:38] <harryfreak359> me either [15:38] <Poet> I personally am at a loss as to why Petunia took Harry in. Perhaps she hoped he wouldn't be magical, and it was simply the right thing to do in her type of society. [15:38] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [15:38] <futureweasley> I think she was the "muggle lookout" for news and perception and stuff [15:38] <futureweasley> during the first WAV (war against Voldemort) [15:38] <cloudpic> I think the Dursley's agreed that they had to stifle any magic in Harry so they'd all be safe. [15:38] <Poet> Petunia totally confuses me in this matter. [15:38] <gryffindelle> I'm back, internet problems [15:39] <fawkes28> because she figured he could do magic too and dint want to get close to him [15:39] <Shard> I think she treated him nuetrally until they realised he was using magic like his parents [15:39] <Aislinn> That was my thought too, cloudpic [15:39] <gryffindelle> what are we talking about now? [15:39] <Theoriser> I think Dumbledore told her that she had to, and she had no choice [15:39] <fawkes28> so she had to hate him [15:39] <Aquamarine> welcome back grff [15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Aunt Petunia treat Harry so badly after taking him in? [15:39] <cloudpic> You can't be warm and kind and still keep someone under unrelenting control. [15:39] <Alianor> And the alternative, in she and Vernon's minds, was that he might go to an orphanage, be magical, and then have it come out the he's related to them. At least at home they can keep tabs. [15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat for those who missed it [15:39] <Aislinn> they see the magic as a threat, but also almost a disability [15:39] <gryffindelle> he reminded her of her sister, I think [15:39] <futureweasley> fear of his magical capabilities [15:39] <cloudpic> Well, if it leads to horrible death... it is a disability! [15:39] <Shard> It also may have been reveenge of sorts [15:39] <harryfreak359> I agree Gryff [15:40] <Aislinn> it makes you stand out as different - this is threatening to them [15:40] <Shard> spoil her son, the way she wasn't spoiled [15:40] <Aquamarine> Interesting Shard... [15:40] <Poet> So perhaps they wanted to avoid another house-blowing up incident (not understanding the complete reasons it happened the first time) [15:40] <fawkes28> she had to take care of him when he was very young...she had to touch him and pick him up [15:40] <Shard> Exactly! [15:40] <futureweasley> I think Petunia knew that Harry was going to be a powerful wizard. His mother and father were the best in their year, and she knew that [15:40] <Shard> Whenever he needed a diaper change or to be burped [15:40] <Aislinn> guys, they didn't like it before James and Lily's death, so it is not just fear based on that! [15:40] <cloudpic> And remember every time she saw that scar what had happened to his parents, her sister... [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> lagging [15:40] <cloudpic> And that it could happen again... because LV was after This Child! [15:40] <Siobhan4hp> I have to go, my internet's messing up, sorry! [15:41] <futureweasley> even if she didn't know that Voldemort had passed his powers onto Harry, she knew he had the potential to be powerful [15:41] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [15:41] <Shard> I hate to imagine him laying in his crib crying for a bottle and dirty diaper and desperatly wanting a hug and Petunia just ignoring him [15:41] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:41] <Shard> to go play with her precious Dudders [15:41] <gryffindelle> hi jane [15:41] <futureweasley> I don't know if she did that [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Shard, that is just such a sad thought [15:41] <cloudpic> I get the idea that Harry was a rather independent child... some can entertain themselves, even at a young age... [15:41] <Aquamarine> Poor Harry... [15:41] <harryfreak359> Now I am sad, Shard [15:41] <harryfreak359> sad [15:41] <Aquamarine> ;( [15:41] <Shard> I know and I hope it isn't so [15:42] <cloudpic> Poor Petunia. [15:42] <fawkes28> i would think she took pretty good care of him till her started talking about was potty trained [15:42] <Aquamarine> :( [15:42] <fawkes28> *he [15:42] <Poet> Obviously Petunia is able to feel love. Some people just arne't able to feel love for those that aren't their own children, but that is a huge over-simplification of the issue I'm sure. [15:42] <gryffindelle> :* [15:42] <futureweasley> I don't think she held Harry with contempt until he started exhibiting that he was magical [15:42] <Aislinn> so, how would making him live in a cupboard keep him from being magical? [15:42] <cloudpic> Is it contempt or is it fear? [15:42] <Aquamarine> Good point Aislinn. [15:42] <JaneMarple9> back and sorry about bold smile [15:42] <fawkes28> like when she cut his hair for the first time and it grew right back [15:42] <harryfreak359> Muggles....they don't know anything magic... [15:42] <futureweasley> both, cloudpic? [15:42] <cloudpic> Keeping some measure of control. [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> and now for the million dollar queston........... [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo has said that Petunia knows about Dementors because she overheard Lily being told by "that awful boy". Will she tell Harry who it was, and why she was eavesdropping on Lily? [15:43] <cloudpic> Could be both...you're right [15:43] <Shard> I mean when my daughter cries for attention I think to myself "Did Harry get this attention?" [15:43] <Shard> Did Petunia sing him to sleep? Tuck him in? Kiss him on the forehead and tell him it's alright? [15:43] <futureweasley> Snape [15:43] <futureweasley> Snape [15:43] <Theoriser> I really hope she does! [15:43] <Poet> She acknowledges his existence but at the same time seems to be pretending that he doesn't really live with them. [15:43] <fawkes28> i think so too, future [15:43] <Shard> I think so, I thinik she will feel it was due to him to know [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape w00t2 [15:43] <gryffindelle> she wont tell him, I dont think [15:43] <Shard> I think Snape as well [15:43] <Aislinn> I don't think any of that was done for him Shard [15:43] <Aquamarine> Snape. [15:43] <Aquamarine> Definetly. [15:43] <harryfreak359> James....I and I hope she does tell him, I'd like to know [15:43] <Aislinn> I think it was Snape too [15:43] <JaneMarple9> She seemed to care for him more than his Uncle did [15:43] * futureweasley thinks that Petunia loved Snape [15:43] <Shard> She didn't recognise Sirius., .and shge didn't confirm if it was James [15:43] <adamgryff> Has to be Snape [15:43] <cloudpic> Oh...I sure hope we learn who it was...I first thought it was Sirius...he was James's close friend and a terrible tease! [15:43] <harryfreak359> Am I the only one here who thinks it was James??? [15:43] * Aquamarine agrees with Future [15:43] <Poet> Hard to not hear what your siblings are saying to their friends in their rooms. It could have happened at their house or even in Diagon Alley. [15:43] * SoonerGryffindor disagrees [15:44] *** Narya has joined #lounge [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Narya! [15:44] <futureweasley> of course you do, Sooner [15:44] <Shard> .Coiuld bew Peter though [15:44] * harryfreak359 definitely disagrees [15:44] <Aislinn> It wasn't James [15:44] <futureweasley> hi Narya! [15:44] <cloudpic> So I think the awful boy was Sirius [15:44] <Narya> hi [15:44] <fawkes28> why do you think it was james, hf? [15:44] <harryfreak359> ni Narya [15:44] <JaneMarple9> personally, I think Petunia loved Sirus smile [15:44] <harryfreak359> h* [15:44] <futureweasley> it was not James, right Aislinn [15:44] <harryfreak359> Hi* [15:44] <cloudpic> How would she know him? [15:44] <cloudpic> Jane? [15:44] <gryffindelle> hi narya [15:44] * harryfreak359 can't spell [15:44] <Narya> I think the awful boy was James, but I might be in a minority [15:44] * SoonerGryffindor will get with harryfreak and convince futureweasley that Snape is good [15:44] <futureweasley> from Lily and Jame's wedding? [15:44] <harryfreak359> YES! [15:44] <Aislinn> I think Snape lived near them growing up [15:44] <Poet> I personally think it was Snape that Lily was talking to. Siruis was good looking and Snape seems more of an "awful boy"- looking type. [15:44] <futureweasley> stop that! [15:44] <harryfreak359> Thank you Narya!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [15:44] <Narya> biggrin [15:45] <Aquamarine> I doubt it was James, because Harry said right afterwards "If you're talking about my parents why don't you use they're names?" and Petunia doesn't respond to him, but just looks flushied. [15:45] <harryfreak359> biggrin [15:45] <Aquamarine> **flsuhed. [15:45] <JaneMarple9> well she was sure to have met James, after Lily started being so friendly with him...and where James was Sirius wasn't far behind smile [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagine the scenario...... [15:45] <Aquamarine> **flushed... sorry [15:45] <fawkes28> i think snape may have aislinn too [15:45] <Narya> She flushed because she was caught out [15:45] <harryfreak359> She liked James... [15:45] <Aislinn> exactly aqua - it was one of those conversations that Jo throws in as a misdirection [15:45] <cloudpic> But an "awful boy" is more likely to have awful behavior... consider what she married... looks aren't her thing?? [15:45] <Theoriser> but it could have been james, because she didn't say lily's name [15:45] <Poet> I think Snape and Lily had some friendly moments because they both excelled at potions. That conversation could even have happened at the potions supply shop in Diagon Alley. [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia overhears the trio talking about DD's death and then she hears WHO did it? [15:45] <cloudpic> That's why I think it was Sirius [15:45] <futureweasley> I think if it was James, she would have said something mean about James...but she won't even dignify this person by naming them [15:45] <futureweasley> there is a special kind of spite behind it [15:45] <cloudpic> Yeah... [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> that's how I think we will hear about "the awful boy" [15:46] <Narya> Exactly ... so that's why he was never named [15:46] <harryfreak359> I think it was James, and she referred to him as awful because he was a wizard, [15:46] <futureweasley> a spite that comes from...I don't know...a broken heart? [15:46] <Shard> Ever notice how Petunia doesn't seem to insult Harry? [15:46] <Narya> Not a broken heart, just spite [15:46] <Aquamarine> True Shard... [15:46] <cloudpic> Yeah, that's Vernon's thing. [15:46] <JaneMarple9> Could have been James or Sirius [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> you're right Shard, she doesnt [15:46] <Poet> Good point futureweasley about the spite [15:46] <adamgryff> good point Shard [15:46] <harryfreak359> yeah [15:46] <Shard> And Marge's [15:46] <fawkes28> you would think if it was james then she would call harry that awful boy as well [15:47] <cloudpic> Oh, I certainly hope that in those 750 + pages we find out!!! [15:47] <Narya> She insults Harry indirectly by insulting Lily thouhg [15:47] <adamgryff> too true fawkes [15:47] <Alianor> I agree with harryfreak [15:47] <Aquamarine> Well, I think Snape qualifies as "awful" more than James does: if you know what I mean. [15:47] <harryfreak359> no, because she reallt doesn't call Harry anything [15:47] <Shard> TRue but she only did that once [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> well, she did call him a freak [15:47] <Poet> They do call him boy sometimes, at least Vernon does. [15:47] <futureweasley> there was all that talk in PoA about Petunia being the one who broke Marge's brandy glass when Lily was being badmouthed [15:47] <harryfreak359> really* [15:47] <cloudpic> Oh... must go...will try to come back.. [15:47] <JaneMarple9> Petunia doesn't insult Harry, but she hits him around the head with a frying pan when she gets the chance smile [15:47] <harryfreak359> bye! [15:47] <Shard> Yeah but Jo said that PEtunia has never and will never cast magic [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, futureweasley, you are bad [15:47] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:47] <Aquamarine> How could she have done that FW, if she doesn't do magic? [15:47] <Poet> futureweasley...if Petunia has magical powers, then yes perhaps, but alas... [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [15:48] <Alianor> She insults James in a similiar fashion in the first conversation about it in SS/PS. [15:48] <harryfreak359> hmmm...yeah [15:48] <futureweasley> right, Poet [15:48] <Narya> Petunia has had many years to build up all her spite, and it all comes out in a rush [15:48] * SoonerGryffindor still thinks Snape was the awful boy [15:48] <fawkes28> me too sooner [15:48] * Aquamarine Still agrees with Sooner. [15:48] * futureweasley highfives SoonerGryffindor [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [15:48] <Narya> I'm just as convinced it was James [15:48] <Shard> agrees with sooner [15:48] <Shard> lol [15:49] * SoonerGryffindor thinks Narya is wrong [15:49] <Alianor> I'm with Narya [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:49] <Aquamarine> lol [15:49] <Shard> Who knows Jo does that's who [15:49] <fawkes28> looks like the snape side is winning smile [15:49] <futureweasley> that is the ONE thing about Snape that Sooner and I agree upon [15:49] <Narya> * Narya is sticking to her opinion [15:49] <Poet> I still think it's Snape, but I also think the story would be more interesting if it was Snape, especially after we found out Lily was good at potions in Book 6 [15:49] <JaneMarple9> I'm undecided between Sirius and James smile [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:49] <futureweasley> dig in those heels, Narya! [15:49] <Narya> biggrin [15:49] <Shard> But then maybe it's Peter, he is a rat afterall [15:49] <JaneMarple9> How would Lily know Snape though? [15:49] <gryffindelle> snape [15:49] <Aquamarine> Yes, I agree Poet. How did she get so good at potions.... [15:49] <Narya> Not Peter, no [15:49] <Alianor> This may be one of those things Jo does: Writes it so that it seems obvious what she's talking about, then turns it around on you. [15:49] <Shard> Through Potions class and Slug Club [15:50] * harryfreak359 is very positive it is James, and won't believe anything else until Jo says so [15:50] <Poet> Exactly Shard [15:50] <JaneMarple9> I meant Petunia biggrin [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia has been instructed to give Harry certain information once he's turned 17? [15:50] <Shard> Slughorn picked both of them for his Slug Club [15:50] <gryffindelle> yes [15:50] <Narya> Not instructed, but I think she will anyway [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I do too [15:50] <futureweasley> I don't know... [15:50] <harryfreak359> Yeah [15:50] <Shard> Possibly by her sister as in a Will [15:50] <fawkes28> or maybe she was instructed to do so when dumbledore dies [15:50] <harryfreak359> I think soo [15:50] <adamgryff> yes [15:50] <Aquamarine> That is very possible, because when she learns he will come of age, she again looks flushed. [15:50] <Shard> She might do so anyways whether or not instructed [15:50] <gryffindelle> I gotta go for a while, I'll try to come vach later [15:50] <Poet> I think she has info she's been supposed to give Harry all along, but I believe there is info specifically meant for when he turns 17 as wel [15:50] <Shard> Harry may make demandws of any info [15:50] <gryffindelle> *back [15:50] <JaneMarple9> she might not give him information but something that belonged to Lily [15:50] <Alianor> Petunia acted like she didn't 17 was legal adult age in the wiz' world. Or was that Vernon. I'm thinking of DD's visit in HBP [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe DD was giving her a secret message? [15:51] <futureweasley> what, in her past behavior, would leave us to believe that she would follow such an order? [15:51] <gryffindelle> bye [15:51] <harryfreak359> I think DD sent her a note before he died, telling her to tell Harry everything [15:51] <Poet> Hmm, right Alianor, right. [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol FW [15:51] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [15:51] <Shard> If she took him in, and kept him in in OOTP then yes she would follow orders [15:51] <Narya> When would he have had time to do that, though? [15:51] <futureweasley> I'm being serious [15:51] <fawkes28> lol [15:51] <JaneMarple9> something connected with Lily's eyes, what we hear about all the time? [15:51] <Aquamarine> It could have been a message to Petunia when he said that Harry will return there "one last time" before he turns 17 [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I see your point fw, but I think that in this instance she will [15:51] <Aislinn> she did responde to Dumbledore's Remember my Last [15:52] <futureweasley> she's mean...cruel..and otherwise jerky in her behaviour toward Harry [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Aqua [15:52] <Poet> She has info then that she was supposed to give him when he became an adult. She thought she had a couple more years yet, but she has one only year (as of the beginning of book 6) [15:52] <harryfreak359> Oh...well if he knew he was going to die (goes along with the Snape is good theory) then he could have sent something [15:52] <Aislinn> and keep Harry [15:52] <Narya> I think Petunia's conscience will finally start to trouble her, and she'll tell what she knows [15:52] <Shard> She is and so is Snape for that matter [15:52] <Shard> But in the end they have both helped Harry [15:52] <Narya> In different ways [15:52] * SoonerGryffindor agrees with Shard [15:52] <Shard> even if it was grudgingly [15:52] <adamgryff> agreed [15:52] <Aislinn> well, she put a roof over his head, yes [15:53] <Aquamarine> Key word: grudgingly. Perhaps they felt obligated to help. [15:53] <JaneMarple9> Yes, Petunia has got to reveal something in book seven...something earth-shattering [15:53] <Alianor> And then made him sleep in a cupboard [15:53] <Aquamarine> Lily's secret? [15:53] <futureweasley> lol Shard...yeah [15:53] <futureweasley> it had better be earth-shattering [15:53] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:53] <fawkes28> isnt this supposed to be harry's shortest stay? [15:53] <Narya> Grudgingly, because of DD's note - they wouldn't have been able to refuse [15:53] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:53] <Shard> Oh I think it will be [15:53] <fawkes28> so it has to be done quickly [15:53] <harryfreak359> yeah probably [15:53] <Aquamarine> Yep.. [15:53] <Narya> As soon as Harry turns 17, he's gone [15:54] <harryfreak359> yep, if I were him I wouldn't stick around [15:54] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:54] <JaneMarple9> or something connected with Lily. We don't know all that much about Lily so far [15:54] <Shard> And it will be Petunia's last chance to redeem herself in anyway [15:54] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:54] <Shard> If she is inclined to do so [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> wb fw [15:54] <harryfreak359> wb future [15:54] <Shard> wb fw [15:54] <Narya> Petunia is all alone, and Harry is the only family she has left [15:54] <Aquamarine> wb fw [15:54] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [15:54] <harryfreak359> What about vernon and dudly, Narya? [15:55] <Narya> Not a link to Lily [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Could Petunia possibly have kept important things of Lily's (like her wand and letters from her) under the creaky stair on the Dursley's staircase, as some believe? [15:55] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:55] <adamgryff> last of Petunia and Lily's blood line [15:55] <Shard> Vernon isn't blood related and Harry doesn't feel like Duders is family [15:55] <Narya> I think that Petunia has everything DD ever sent her hidden in the house [15:55] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:55] <Shard> the Weasly's is his family, but that's OT [15:55] <JaneMarple9> oooo that sounds a great idea Sooner [15:55] <Theoriser> I found that theory interesting, I only heard about it recently [15:55] <Alianor> That [15:55] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:55] <Alianor> sorry [15:55] <Shard> There was a theory abuot the creaky stair acutaly being the hiding place of something [15:55] <Alianor> That's interesting [15:56] <fawkes28> i think that she may have some possessions that belong to the potters or to harry [15:56] <Shard> That why would there be a loose floorboard in Harry's new room [15:56] <Theoriser> because she always makes a point to describe the creaky stair [15:56] <Narya> I remember that theory [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I like that theory too [15:56] <futureweasley> sorry guys [15:56] <JaneMarple9> Take care all try and come to more soon [15:56] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:56] <Shard> bye fw [15:56] <Alianor> That's the Potter-verse for you. Even a creaky stair can't just be a creaky stair. :-) [15:56] <futureweasley> no, I'm here to stay Shard...you can't get rid of me! [15:56] <Narya> Hidden clues everywhere ... [15:56] * futureweasley cackles evilly [15:56] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> snuffles is being a little difficult [15:57] <Poet> I do think she has some items...correspondence and photos from when they were younger. Plus when the Potters went into hiding, maybe an item or two were given to her, plus maybe a couple items survived the house exploding [15:57] <fawkes28> wb, hf [15:57] <harryfreak359> hi, [15:57] <harryfreak359> don't know what happened that time [15:57] <harryfreak359> smile [15:57] <Narya> I think that despite everything Petunia has said about her sister, she has kept whatever she could as a reminder of her [15:57] <harryfreak359> yeah I agree [15:58] <Shard> aagreed [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I stll think that Harry will get a horcrux clue from Petunia [15:58] <futureweasley> I don't know that Petunia will give Harry an "item"...maybe just knowledge [15:58] <harryfreak359> I am not so sure about that [15:58] <adamgryff> I do to [15:58] <Shard> defintly possib;le [15:58] <Alianor> She's angry and embarassed by her, but I don't think she hates her. So I can see that. [15:58] <Narya> In the form of whatever information she has for him [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [15:58] <Narya> makes sense [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> she has someting significant [15:58] <Poet> I 100% believe she has things to tell him [15:58] <fawkes28> she may but he may not realize it till later [15:58] <Shard> Yes [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> ev This post has been edited by Aislinn: Sep 10 2006, 05:01 PM |
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[15:59] <Shard> she has no idea but Harry will
[15:59] <futureweasley> I think it's possible that Lily had information about a Horcrux, but didn't recognize it as such, and passed it on to Petunia [15:59] <harryfreak359> I agree Poet [15:59] <Aislinn> I think the only way she would have something of Lily's would be if DD gave her something, or there was something tucked into the basket with Harry when he was dropped off [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, I think Hermione wil be the one to recognize the info [15:59] <harryfreak359> hmm...perhaps [15:59] <adamgryff> it will probably be the last one and then he thinks about what Petunia gave him [15:59] <Narya> Possibly, Aislinn ... but Petunia might have a softer side we don't suspect [15:59] <Alianor> So, did Voldy have 6 horcruxes when he went to the Potters' house, or did he intend (or successfully create) to make one then? [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> well, maybe something else got left later and thats what "remember my last" was about [15:59] <futureweasley> that's another chat, Alianor...tehehe [16:00] <Narya> "Remember my last" refers to previous correspondence between DD and Petunia [16:00] <Alianor> Jo said in an interview that "Remember my last" refers to the letter they left with Harry on the doorstep [16:00] <futureweasley> yes, Narya...Jo says that's significant [16:00] <futureweasley> on her website [16:00] <harryfreak359> yeah, but what was in it? [16:00] <Alianor> (You're right, fw) [16:00] <Poet> So I'm hoping we'll see some correspondence from pre-Harry days [16:00] <Narya> I think we will [16:00] <futureweasley> yay Poet! [16:00] <Aislinn> well, Jo usually hints at things like that, and she has given us no clue to a softer side of Petunia's [16:00] <futureweasley> wouldn't that be cool?! [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> but I'm thinking maybe the corresponsence went with some items left [16:00] <Narya> Not yet [16:01] <Poet> Especially now that Dumbledore is dead. [16:01] <Narya> But there is still time [16:01] <futureweasley> I think that Petunia will be deeply affected by DD's death [16:01] <Narya> Petunia is a mother after all, albeit a bad one [16:01] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge [16:01] <futureweasley> we haven't seen her since that all happened [16:01] <Poet> It would be great for Harry to hear the voice of Dumbledre once more through his writing in a letter [16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome wronskifeint [16:01] <wronskifeint> hi [16:01] <Shard> Which is exaclty what I think Jo wanted, why we didn't see Kings Cross at the end [16:01] <Alianor> Yeah, is HBP the only book that doesn't end back with the Dursleys? (side note, sorry) [16:02] <Poet> Oh [16:02] <SoonerGryffindor> could be [16:02] <Narya> Harry will hear DD's voice again, I'm sure of it [16:02] <wronskifeint> yes [16:02] <futureweasley> and, if Hermione and Ron are going to Godric's Hollow and Privet Drive, Petunia will meet them and see that they are normal [16:02] <fawkes28> yes, it would poet [16:02] <wronskifeint> in the pensieve maybe [16:02] <Poet> both [16:02] <Shard> i dunno if she will ever see them as normal [16:02] <Poet> I'm sure we'll see the pensieve as well, yes [16:02] <Alianor> Oo, yeah, the pensieve [16:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia has kept in contact with someone in the wizarding world? She was shocked when Harry told her Voldemort was back in OotP. Does she know what this implies just from Lily, or somewhere else? [16:02] <Shard> but that she will have to live with her own choices [16:02] <futureweasley> I think Petunia will do some "loosening up" in Book 7 [16:02] <fawkes28> i think mostly from lily [16:03] <Shard> Lily and possible others [16:03] <Shard> DD [16:03] <Narya> I think she realises what LV's return means, given what she knows already [16:03] <Theoriser> I think that Dumbledore was maybe still writing to her [16:03] <wronskifeint> i think she was in touch with dumbledore [16:03] <futureweasley> I think that it was Lily and Dumbledore [16:03] <adamgryff> I think it came from Lily [16:03] <Alianor> Well, she did actually live with a witch for 7 years. [16:03] <Aislinn> no - I don't think she has anything to do with the wizarding world, other than letters from DD [16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Lily? [16:03] <wronskifeint> well longer than 7 [16:03] <harryfreak359> I don't think she was in touch with DD [16:03] <Alianor> Depending on how soon James and Lily got married after school. [16:03] <harryfreak359> I think the Howler was teh first time she heard from him since she got Harry [16:03] <wronskifeint> how come? [16:03] <Theoriser> and he had written letters to her before Lily and James died, and we don't know why [16:03] <Poet> I don't think Petunia has had any contact except for letters from Hogwarts letting them know when Harry wasn't coming home for holidays... I think McGonagall has contacted them about this. [16:03] <Alianor> I don't either, hf. [16:03] <futureweasley> she knew that LV murdered her sister [16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if she knew about Mrs Figg? [16:04] <Narya> She would be in touch with DD for as long as they corresponded, but I think that correspondence stopped shortly after Harry was left with her [16:04] <wronskifeint> I don't think so [16:04] <harryfreak359> because then it wouldn't have been "remember my last" [16:04] <Aislinn> right, poet, just the normal letters from school kind of thing [16:04] <futureweasley> that alone would be enough to shock her [16:04] <fawkes28> and she probably knew he killed a lot of other people [16:04] <Alianor> Definitely not [16:04] <Alianor> Figgy even says so [16:04] <futureweasley> she didn't know Ms. Figg was a squib [16:04] <adamgryff> I don't think she was in contact with Mrs. Figg [16:04] <Poet> But besides that I think definitely not. [16:04] <futureweasley> or she would have never let her watch Harry [16:04] <wronskifeint> she knows like, the basics of the magical world... [16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> did Mrs Figg really say that? [16:04] <futureweasley> yes [16:04] <Poet> Exactly. [16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> becase I like that theory laugh [16:04] <futureweasley> she did [16:04] <wronskifeint> yes [16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> dang [16:04] <Alianor> Remember, she apologized for putting him through those boring days so that the Dursleys would keep letting him come [16:05] <Poet> Yep [16:05] <harryfreak359> lol [16:05] <futureweasley> yes Alianor, exactly [16:05] <Alianor> I loved that revelation. [16:05] <Alianor> Typical Jo [16:05] <Narya> She was really contrite about how she had treated Harry [16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess I want to find out that Petunia has been some kind of super spy this whole time [16:05] <futureweasley> totally typical Jo [16:05] <Aislinn> which also indicates that she probably wasn't in the Order the first time around, as Mrs Figg probably was [16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Ais [16:05] <adamgryff> good point [16:05] <futureweasley> oh boo, Aislinn [16:05] <Poet> I think Dumbledore put up other general means to keep tabs on Harry and keep him safe rather than working through Petunia. [16:05] <harryfreak359> Probably Aislinn [16:05] <wronskifeint> like Figgy [16:06] <Alianor> Sooner wants everyone to turn out to be good in the end :-) [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> so Figgy is out [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> could there have been anybody else? [16:06] <Narya> DD wouldn't have trusted Petunia to do everything needed to protect Harry - he knew he had to rely on others [16:06] <wronskifeint> maybe Tonks? [16:06] <harryfreak359> Hehe...mundungus!!!!! [16:06] <wronskifeint> :-) [16:06] <fawkes28> lol [16:06] <Alianor> (Quick high-fives for Tonks, she rocks) [16:06] <wronskifeint> :-) [16:07] <futureweasley> no Tonks [16:07] <adamgryff> becuase Mrs. Figg would have responded to DD and Petunia would have ignored him [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagne Petunia and Dung knowing each other? [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> no way [16:07] <Narya> I can't [16:07] <wronskifeint> nooooo!! [16:07] <Alianor> Oh, dear no. [16:07] <futureweasley> this is left field... [16:07] <harryfreak359> LOL [16:07] <futureweasley> major left field... [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [16:07] <Poet> Since Dumbledore is calling the shots and he last communicated with her just those couple times, I don't think she's be communicating with the order any other way [16:07] <harryfreak359> there are no two opposites [16:07] <futureweasley> but if there is "more than Petunia than meets the EYE"...maybe she's a seer [16:07] <harryfreak359> okay that didn't make sense [16:07] <fawkes28> yes, i think it was just through dimbledore [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> ooooooh [16:07] <Alianor> That's magical, though. [16:07] <wronskifeint> no way no seer [16:07] <fawkes28> lol [16:08] <Narya> I don't think she's a Seer [16:08] <futureweasley> she wouldn't need spies then [16:08] <harryfreak359> who Petunia? [16:08] <futureweasley> yeah [16:08] <Narya> Petunia is a Muggle through and through [16:08] <harryfreak359> a seer? [16:08] <harryfreak359> no way [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> but seer doesnt mean you have to be magical does it? [16:08] <wronskifeint> Petunia = muggle [16:08] <futureweasley> Muggles can have preminitions, right? [16:08] <fawkes28> she doesnt seem like she would believe in that stuff [16:08] <Narya> I think it does, Sooner [16:08] <Alianor> I think in Potter-verse it does [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> but do we know for sure that seer= wirch? [16:08] <wronskifeint> well not like Trelawney predictions [16:08] <harryfreak359> true future [16:08] <fawkes28> plus she wants to be as normal as possible [16:08] <Poet> We haven't seen any clues of her having a gift of any type [16:08] <Shard> yeah people wonder if Trelawner is a Squib [16:08] <Narya> Not for sure, no, but it's unlikely in Petunia's case [16:09] <Narya> Trelawney is a witch [16:09] <Shard> What question are we on now? [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hmm, maybe Harry can feed Petunia some sherry and see what happens laugh [16:09] <wronskifeint> haha [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia has kept in contact with someone in the wizarding world? She was shocked when Harry told her Voldemort was back in OotP. Does she know what this implies just from Lily, or somewhere else? [16:09] <Shard> lol [16:09] <adamgryff> lol [16:09] <futureweasley> nice, sooner [16:09] <harryfreak359> LOL [16:09] <Shard> Thanks [16:09] <Aislinn> I think she has information that will help Harry, but I don't think that she is magical, or a seer or anything like that [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the last one [16:09] <Alianor> Oo, Petunia giving a Trelawney-like prediction...wierd image... [16:09] <wronskifeint> ahaha. [16:09] <harryfreak359> heheheheh laugh [16:09] <Shard> Somehow I don't think I can see Petunia getting drunk [16:09] <fawkes28> i agree, aislinn [16:09] <harryfreak359> no I can't either Shard [16:09] <futureweasley> I just think it's off that Jo would say "eye" when it comes to Petunia [16:10] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [16:10] <harryfreak359> Why, future? [16:10] <Narya> Petunia wouldn't give up that much control [16:10] <Alianor> I just think she's a more complex person than we've seen. So far she is easily pegged, predictable. [16:10] <Poet> I think she knows what this implies simply from the info she received when Harry first came to them (and before, but not from anywhere else) [16:10] <Narya> She'd be way too scared [16:10] <Poet> So from Lily and from Dumbledore [16:10] <futureweasley> yes Poet [16:10] <Shard> Someone mentioned she may have OCD [16:10] <Shard> I mean cleaning at 2am?? [16:10] <Shard> lag? [16:10] <Alianor> Exactly [16:10] <futureweasley> from Lily and Dumbledore [16:11] <fawkes28> i think she does have OCD [16:11] <Shard> I definatly think Petunia is more complex then we have seen [16:11] <wronskifeint> yep [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I've got a question from one of my pet theories coming up [16:11] <Alianor> OCD without a doubt [16:11] <futureweasley> lol fawkes and Shard... [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> Will Petunia Dursley end up in 12 Grimmauld Place? [16:11] <Shard> darn lag monster [16:11] <Alianor> I think that's what Jo means, Shard [16:11] <Shard> I would love that [16:11] <Poet> Yes, I do think so. [16:11] <Narya> I don't think she will, but it would be fun [16:11] <Aislinn> Vernon was very interested to hear that Harry owned it [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its very possible [16:11] <Alianor> I'd love to see Petunia and Mrs. Black go at it. [16:11] <Aislinn> and they heard it from the Secret Keeper [16:11] <Shard> But I think jo wants to wrap up the Dursley's as fast as possible [16:11] <wronskifeint> no. no no no. i don't think so at all! [16:11] <adamgryff> I think is would be fun and very possilbe [16:11] <futureweasley> if Privet Drive is under assault, yes [16:11] <Aislinn> so they may end up there [16:11] <Poet> Why? Because Dumbledore mentioned the house when he was with them. [16:12] <wronskifeint> she'd be way to scared to go anywhere magical [16:12] <Shard> Course the Durslley's may merely be kept there for hte time being [16:12] <futureweasley> can you imagine Petunia being side-along apparitioneed to Grimmauld Place? [16:12] <Alianor> Oh, for their protection? That's a thought. [16:12] <Shard> Not if they siode along apparaeted [16:12] <futureweasley> she will freak out BIG time [16:12] <fawkes28> lol, fw [16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> but what beetter way to wrap up several plot points at once? [16:12] <Aislinn> I think that Voldi may come for Harry at the dursleys, and he may need to get them to Grimmauld place to protect them [16:12] <wronskifeint> i thought muggles couldn't apparate? [16:12] <Shard> Think aobut it, three Dursley's, three wizards [16:12] <wronskifeint> or am i wrong... [16:12] <Poet> What would she do there and how long would she stay? I don't know. I don't think it will be a big plot line. [16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [16:12] <futureweasley> that's what I think, too, Aislinn [16:12] <Shard> \they could all Apparate to 12 GP [16:13] <Narya> Muggles can't apparate but Harry could take them [16:13] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [16:13] <fawkes28> if she will leave she may not want to [16:13] <futureweasley> right, then the "secret" wouldn't have to be given up [16:13] <Shard> Ron and Hermnione can appareate [16:13] <Poet> But I do think now that Harry owns she could visit him once. [16:13] <harryfreak359> Ron can't apparate [16:13] <wronskifeint> well not legally [16:13] <Shard> Sure he can, he just needs to focus harder is all [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> they will all be able to by Harry's b-day t [16:14] <futureweasley> no, Harry and Ron don't have their apparation licenses, but I think he could do it under pressure [16:14] <Narya> And mind out for his eyebrows [16:14] <Shard> I mean all he did was leave an eyebrow behind [16:14] <Alianor> Quick question, do we know what happens to Gr. Pl. now that the secret keeper is dead? [16:13] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [16:13] <fawkes28> they will need to [16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol SHard [16:13] <Shard> I think they will do it anyways [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> that was 1/2 an eyebrow [16:14] <futureweasley> the secret died with him [16:14] <Shard> Scrimjour does not notice or care that Harry Appparated on the night DD died [16:14] <Narya> No one can say where it is [16:14] <futureweasley> right, nothing ever came of that [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if there is even a way to tell [16:14] <fawkes28> i dont think it will [16:14] <Poet> hmm [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> anyway, I think that there was more to the conversation wth the Dursleys and DD than meets the eye [16:14] <futureweasley> well, it's not really the "Order Headquarters" anymore, is it? [16:15] <Aislinn> Grimmauld place is an ideal place to hide people, and the Dursleys may need hiding [16:15] <Shard> but it can be again [16:15] <wronskifeint> didn't harry say it was theirs? [16:15] <Narya> I think it still is the HQ [16:15] <Alianor> Well, we all know Harry and Ron aren't inhibited by silly things like laws, so I definitely think they would. [16:15] <Alianor> That's sort of what I was asking, fw [16:15] <fawkes28> it's not really safe anyway because of kreacher [16:15] <wronskifeint> he's like 'I don't want it, let the order keep it' [16:15] <SoonerGryffindor> well, even if it is not officially HQ [16:15] <Poet> Good point about Harry letting the Order use it. [16:15] <futureweasley> Kreacher isn't there right now [16:15] <SoonerGryffindor> it reall doesnt matter [16:15] <futureweasley> he's tailing Malfoy [16:15] <Alianor> I forgot about that [16:15] <Narya> Kreacher is being watched by Dobby, so he can't do much [16:15] <harryfreak359> yep [16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> its still somewhere "safe" for them to go [16:16] <futureweasley> so, I think Grimmauld is probably the safest place to be right now [16:16] <Aislinn> kreacher can't give away its location, and Harry can tell him not to reveal anything [16:16] <Narya> yes Aislinn [16:16] <Poet> Harry has gotten quite skilled at ordering Kreacher. And the Dursleys have met him before, so it wouldn't be as much a shock if Petunia had to go there. [16:16] <harryfreak359> yeah exactly aislinn [16:16] <futureweasley> kreacher isn't privy to the "secret", is he? [16:16] <Narya> Kreacher can't tell even if he did know [16:16] * SoonerGryffindor is really hoping for this scenario for the comic relief if nothing else [16:16] <Aislinn> right [16:16] <Narya> He's not the Secret Keeper [16:16] <Aislinn> only Dumbledore was able to tell, and he's gone [16:16] <Alianor> Do you mean is he bound by the fideleus charm? [16:16] <fawkes28> but kreacher falls under different magic so do you think he may be able to tell somehow? [16:17] <Aislinn> everyone is [16:17] <Aislinn> nope [16:17] <Narya> He's bound by the magic which binds his kind [16:17] <wronskifeint> i don't think so, fawkes [16:17] <Poet> And the Durlseys know that Harry has the house so it wouldnt be to hard for Jo to put Petunia and the Dursleys there - temporarily [16:17] <futureweasley> but Houseelves don't abide by wizard law [16:17] <Aislinn> its not a law [16:17] <Aislinn> its magic [16:17] <wronskifeint> but they abide by the magic [16:17] <futureweasley> hmmm [16:17] <Alianor> yes they do, they just have different powers [16:17] * Poet hates to think of a shouting match between Petunia and Mrs. Black [16:17] <Narya> Kreacher has to do as he's told if he's given an Order, and he can't reveal a secret. Snape knows where the Order are based, but even he can't tell [16:17] <fawkes28> but dobby could apparate and the wizards couldnt and that is magic as well [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Could we be finding out any information about Petunia and Lily's parents from her? [16:18] <adamgryff> lol Poet [16:18] <Alianor> That's a different kind of appiration [16:18] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [16:18] *** Shard has joined #lounge [16:18] <Aislinn> I don't think that Harry's grandparents are going to be important to the final story [16:18] <Narya> We might, but they're not that important, are they? [16:18] <harryfreak359> I don't think their parents really have any importance to harry [16:18] <wronskifeint> well probably, she _is_ their daughter after all [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that we might [16:18] <Poet> We could, but I get the impression that Jo killed off all the grandparents and they aren't important [16:18] <Narya> To what purpose, though? [16:18] <Alianor> I laugh evilly at the thought of Petunia and Mrs. Black [16:18] <wronskifeint> I don't think they're going to be important [16:18] <wronskifeint> haha Alianor [16:18] <Aislinn> she pretty much said that, yeah Poet [16:18] <harryfreak359> lol [16:18] <adamgryff> I don [16:19] <Narya> Jo said we've met pretty much all the characters by now [16:19] <futureweasley> we might find out that they lived on a little street called "Spinner's End" when they were alive [16:19] <wronskifeint> ooohh! [16:19] <fawkes28> wouldnt you think she would have pictures that harry would have seen of his grandparents from his mom's side? [16:19] <Theoriser> I hope we do, just a bit about what their family life was like when lily was still alive [16:19] <Poet> I do hope we hear a little more about Petunia and Lily's younger years so we understand Petunia better [16:19] <futureweasley> me too, Poet [16:19] <wronskifeint> gotta go bye [16:19] *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] [16:19] <Narya> It's possible, but there won't be time for all that in one book [16:19] <Aislinn> that's what I think FW - they lived near each other [16:19] <Narya> I don't think they did, somehow ... [16:20] <harryfreak359> I don't think so either [16:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia had any information on what James and Lily did for a living? [16:20] <Alianor> Remind me of the signifigance of Spinner's End (don't judge me for not knowing!) [16:20] <Poet> Yes to do. [16:20] <harryfreak359> yes, I thinks so [16:20] <fawkes28> she may have known [16:20] <futureweasley> yes, I do...if they did anything [16:20] <Narya> No, I think that was a closely guarded secret [16:20] <adamgryff> yes I think she does [16:20] <futureweasley> she would know [16:20] <Aislinn> its where Snape's house was alianor [16:20] <harryfreak359> Alianor, that is were Snape lived [16:20] <Theoriser> she cold be where we're finding that out from [16:20] <Aislinn> and if you think the awful boy was Snape, it makes sense they knew each other as kids [16:20] <Alianor> Thank you [16:20] <Poet> Jo said we'd find out what they did for a living. Petunia may not know the exact job, but the general gist [16:20] <Shard> I think Lily was an unspeakable so I don' t think she knows [16:21] <Narya> I think she was an Unspeakable too [16:21] <fawkes28> or lupin could tell harry [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder how exactly we might fnd out though [16:21] <Alianor> Hmmm [16:21] <Narya> Through Harry's visit to Godric's Hollow, I think [16:21] <Poet> For instance I think Petunia may know that Lily for instance worked for the Ministry of Magic (and then Harry could dig a litttle deeper and ask others) [16:21] <Alianor> Maybe she's the one who relabeled the prophecy (I've just read a hot debate on how that worked) [16:21] <Shard> agrreed [16:21] <Narya> w [16:21] <Narya> Who relabelled the prophecy? [16:22] <futureweasley> where did you read that Alianor? [16:22] <futureweasley> he's saying Lily did [16:22] <Aislinn> I think she did too poet [16:22] <Aislinn> and narya [16:22] <Narya> Lily wasn't the Keeper of the Hall of Prophecy, though [16:22] <futureweasley> do we know that? [16:22] <Narya> We don't [16:22] <Alianor> Just the whole issue of "only the person it's about can touch it or hear it" and "The prophecy was relabeled after LV tried to kill Harry" [16:22] <Narya> but it's unlikely [16:22] <Poet> It was relabled, yes, but that may be getting a little off the subject of Petunia [16:22] <Shard> It can be relabled without touching the prophecy [16:23] <Narya> But then there's no tangible evidence of that, Shard [16:23] <Alianor> The argument was that how could the Keeper know what the prophecies were about in the first place. [16:23] <Alianor> This is all off-topic, sorry. [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> back to Petunia [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Here is a question just for Aislinn grin [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Did Petunia have a relationship with Snape? [16:24] <Aislinn> lol [16:24] <Poet> No. [16:24] <harryfreak359> lol [16:24] <Narya> No [16:24] <Alianor> NO [16:24] <harryfreak359> No [16:24] <fawkes28> no [16:24] <adamgryff> no [16:24] <Poet> I think she met him or saw him at least once. [16:24] <futureweasley> OMG, guys?! [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> oh come on guys [16:24] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [16:24] <futureweasley> she SO did! [16:24] <fawkes28> he's not cleanily she wouldnt like him [16:24] <Narya> Not in a million years [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> she so did NOT [16:24] <Poet> I think Petunia knows or knew he was. [16:24] <Aislinn> not a LOVE relationship - a friendship, or acquaintanceship, yes, absolutely [16:24] <futureweasley> I think she was lovin' him when she was a teenager [16:25] <Shard> Narya: How does there need to be proof, the lable is not on the sphere but on the shelf [16:25] <harryfreak359> no no n no no no no [16:25] <Narya> I don't even think they were friends [16:25] <fawkes28> future, no way [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> ewwwwww [16:25] <Shard> You don't even have to touch the lable, use a wand, and yes I am OT so I will stop there [16:25] <Narya> Petunia hates the magical world and everything in it, including Snape [16:25] <Aislinn> I think they grew up in the same neighborhood, and knew eachc other [16:25] <harryfreak359> no future, no.....uuuccckkk [16:25] <Aislinn> and that he is the awful boy [16:25] <Theoriser> lol fawkes good point, but they say opposites attract [16:25] * harryfreak359 disagrees [16:25] <Shard> Oh what the heck sure they were intimate smile [16:25] <Expelliarmas> what's the question? [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I gree that he is the awful boy [16:25] *** Kelazma has joined #lounge [16:25] <Narya> *Narya disagrees [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Did Petunia have a relationship with Snape? [16:25] <Shard> lol [16:25] <futureweasley> hi Kelazma [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the Q [16:25] <Expelliarmas> lol, not in a million years! [16:26] <harryfreak359> *shudders* no no no no [16:26] <Narya> There''s an echo in here biggrin [16:26] <Alianor> (Shard, I'll PM you with the link to the topic and you can read all the gritty discussion) [16:26] <Poet> Hi Kel [16:26] <futureweasley> let's stretch the boundries a little [16:26] <Kelazma> hiya [16:26] <Expelliarmas> Snape has no concept of grooming; Petunia is a neat freak [16:26] <Shard> So True [16:26] <futureweasley> what would have forced Petunia into the rigid person she is today? [16:26] <Narya> Petunia hates anything to do with magic [16:26] <Kelazma> Maybe after she went Muggle he stopped grooming. [16:26] <Narya> That's just it, fw [16:26] <futureweasley> but I don't think she always did, Narya [16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [16:26] <Narya> her hatred and distrust of magic [16:26] <Aislinn> have you folks never heard of opposites attract? tongue [16:27] <harryfreak359> yeah...but [16:27] <Shard> I have [16:27] <Shard> lol [16:27] <Narya> Not in Petunia's case, no [16:27] <Theoriser> that would be the funniest thing ever if she did biggrin [16:27] <Shard> but that doesnt always work [16:27] <adamgryff> yes but that is a stretch [16:27] <fawkes28> oh for future's sake: maybe he used to be clean and she dated him and then he got depressed and stopped taking care of himself [16:27] <Poet> I respectfully disagree. Snape was busy with school. Petunia could have only seen him over summers. [16:27] <Aislinn> not to mention, that her current cleanliness might be a reaction to her former friend [16:27] <Theoriser> but people think that lily and snape had a thing, so why not petunia? [16:27] <futureweasley> Summer love, somethin's begun [16:27] <fawkes28> lol, aislinn [16:27] <Narya> It's too much of a stretch, that's why [16:27] <harryfreak359> lol [16:27] <futureweasley> ooh, ah, oh the summer nights! [16:27] <fawkes28> oh those summer nights smile [16:27] <fawkes28> lol [16:27] * SoonerGryffindor is sticking her fingers in her ears and NOT listening to futureweasley [16:28] <Alianor> yeah, yeah, yeah [16:28] <futureweasley> lol [16:28] <Aislinn> lol [16:28] <Poet> Okay, why not...he ran away from home and lived with the Evans for a summer! [16:28] * harryfreak359 is joining Sooner in stuffing her ears with cotton [16:28] <futureweasley> I'm just saying it's possible [16:28] <futureweasley> that she crushed on him and got burned [16:28] <Aislinn> it is definitely possible [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> okay [16:28] * harryfreak359 is humming loudly [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> now that we are all grossed out [16:28] <Alianor> blech [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> In HBP, Petunia looked "oddly flushed" when Dumbledore told her that the protection Harry has at their house would stop when Harry became 17, and asked that he returned one more time. Why do you think this was? [16:28] <fawkes28> future is going to write a romance novel for our enjoyment about the two [16:29] <Poet> Flush indicated embarassment [16:29] <futureweasley> fawkes knows me too well [16:29] <Poet> In my opinion [16:29] <Expelliarmas> shame for the way she treated harry [16:29] <Narya> Petunia looked that way because she knew exactly what DD meant [16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Poet [16:29] <Shard> Shes knowing what shes done [16:29] <Aislinn> I think she finally had the decency to be at least slightly ashamed of her abysmal behaviour [16:29] * futureweasley rushes off to write a steamy fanfic [16:29] <Shard> how she has damanged both Harry and Dudly [16:29] <fawkes28> lol [16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ais [16:29] <Aislinn> oh, I don't think she has a clue that she has damaged dudley [16:29] <Poet> I think she has been somewhat selfish in keeping Harry around to protect her family, and ... [16:30] <Narya> Petunia doesn't want to accept that she's damaged her son [16:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she does and that is why she was flushed [16:30] <Alianor> That's an interesting view, Poet [16:30] <Poet> I think she has things she'll have to turn over to him that she should have done so sooner, thus her embarassment [16:30] <Alianor> About Harry protecting them [16:30] <futureweasley> it's possible that she hadn't told Vernon that Harry's presence was actually protecting them [16:30] <Expelliarmas> She might also finally realize the danger Harry is in [16:30] <Narya> She's kept Harry around as her last link to the past, and for protection [16:30] <fawkes28> vernon is quite out of the loop [16:30] <Aislinn> she thinks that she has treated dudley like a prince, but she KNOWS she treated Harry terribly [16:30] <Narya> And fear of what DD might do, of course [16:31] <Expelliarmas> when she realized Voldemort was back in OOTP, they seemed to connect at that point [16:31] <futureweasley> she flushed because she knew that Vernon was probably putting 2 and 2 together [16:31] <Narya> That connection is important [16:31] <harryfreak359> probably [16:31] <Alianor> They shared a knowledge that Vernon and Dudley didn't [16:31] <Aislinn> for her family's protection, narya, or Harry's? [16:31] <harryfreak359> yep [16:31] <Narya> Her family's, Aislinn [16:31] <Aislinn> oh, I don't think so [16:31] <Narya> Why? [16:31] <Aislinn> they wouldn't have been in danger if Harry had never lived there [16:32] <Shard> Not true [16:32] *** EloraMayall has joined #lounge [16:32] <Narya> They might have been [16:32] <futureweasley> that's not necessarily true [16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Elora [16:32] <Narya> LV knows pretty much everything [16:32] <Shard> Lucius would find out about them, find where they lived [16:32] <Expelliarmas> there would have been no danger if Petunia has nothing further to do with the story [16:32] <EloraMayall> Thank you [16:32] <Narya> and he would know that much [16:32] <futureweasley> if there's more to Petunia than what we know...they could be targets [16:32] <Shard> If LV demanded to find HP and he would then find the Dursleys [16:32] <Expelliarmas> But I think she has knowledge, and would have been in danger [16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> feel free to join right in smile [16:32] <fawkes28> but she still may have something to do with the story [16:32] <Aislinn> why in the world would anyone in the wizarding world be interested in the dursleys, except for Harry? [16:32] <Shard> Frnakly I;'m surprised he never moved on them before this [16:32] <Narya> Lily and James defied LV three times, so she knew [16:32] <Poet> So perhaps she also knows that her time to correct her wrongs is essentially gone. No time to get forgiveness from Harry for being so mean to him, since he leaves at age 17 instead of 18 [16:32] <Expelliarmas> Not the dursleys, Petunia [16:32] <harryfreak359> Because they are Harry's family [16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> because they are related to Harry? [16:32] <Shard> Even Umbridge did [16:33] <Narya> Yes Shard [16:33] <Shard> Yes and they may know where Harry is [16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol harryfreak [16:33] <harryfreak359> lol [16:33] <Narya> So if Umbridge knew, LV knew [16:33] <Shard> That's all LV would need [16:33] <Shard> Yes [16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder how Umbridge did know [16:33] <Narya> LV is not stupid [16:33] <Narya> and he has his spies [16:33] <futureweasley> he's just thick [16:33] <fawkes28> if they stay in that house when harry leaves, he will kill them [16:33] <Aislinn> they are muggles, or in the DE's view - mudbloods - they would n't have been interested in Petunia [16:33] <Shard> The Ministry seems to know as a whole [16:33] <Shard> I mean how did the Twins find Harry? [16:33] <Alianor> He's narcasstic [16:33] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge worked at the ministry and was in Fudge's inner circle, she'd know where Harry was [16:33] <Alianor> I spelled that wrong [16:33] <Shard> How did Dobby? [16:33] <Narya> Not necessarily, Aislinn [16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if it is them as a family or the house that they reside in as well? [16:33] <Shard> How did Sirius? [16:34] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> good question Shard [16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> hey cloudpic [16:34] <cloudpic> hi [16:34] <futureweasley> I'm not sure how anyone found Privet Drive [16:34] <Shard> I've always wondered why that house WASN"T under a Fidealuos charm [16:34] <futureweasley> wb cloudpic [16:34] <harryfreak359> wb cloudpic [16:34] <Poet> Muggle torture and killings is a past time for the Death Eaters though. I think the Dursleys are in danger of being used for AK entertainment [16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think that it might be [16:34] <Narya> I think so too Poet [16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> but only Harry's enemies can't find it [16:34] <Shard> Yes agreed there [16:34] <Aislinn> how does Harry protect them, if he is away at school? [16:34] <Shard> For now [16:34] <cloudpic> thanks.... the other protections may have made it unnecessary? [16:34] <Shard> Until july 31st [16:34] *** EloraMayall left #lounge [] [16:35] <Poet> AK and or other unforgiveables [16:35] <Narya> The Dursleys are in terrible danger, and Petunia knows it [16:35] <harryfreak359> yeah [16:35] <Aislinn> the protections were put there for Harry, not for the Dursleys [16:35] <harryfreak359> I agree [16:35] <Expelliarmas> I think DD protected them--likely setting protective charms about the house [16:35] <Narya> And she has very little time left [16:35] <Narya> I think so too [16:35] <futureweasley> I don't know. And, I'm sure that the Dursley's aren't protected when they are away from the house...hence Petunia being a housewife [16:35] <cloudpic> Yes... so has anyone suggested the theory that the Dursley's will end up hiding at Grimauld Place? [16:35] <harryfreak359> yep [16:35] <Alianor> But they would take measures to protect the Dursleys, as well, if they knew they were in danger. [16:35] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [16:35] <Alianor> many, actually [16:35] <harryfreak359> lol [16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, sorry you missed that one cloudpic [16:36] <cloudpic> Don't know why, that seems like poetic justice Yeah...glad to be back [16:36] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [16:36] <Shard> Yeah ever think it's interesting that Diggle was one of the first Wizards Harry met, without knowing at the time and that he is also part of the Order [16:36] <Poet> The whole magical world is in danger. I don't think the magical world has the ressources to protect the Dursleys any better than their own families [16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> that is intereesting [16:36] <cloudpic> Oh? yes... [16:36] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [16:36] <harryfreak359> yeah a little bit [16:36] <cloudpic> Good point Shard [16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I had forgotten about that [16:37] <Alianor> Order members keeping tabs... [16:37] <Expelliarmas> Diggle may have been one of the people keeping an eye on Harry, like Figg [16:37] <cloudpic> But Harry owes the Dursleys [16:37] <Shard> Exaclty [16:37] <Poet> I agree Expeliarmas [16:37] <cloudpic> for the protection he had with them [16:37] <Narya> How does Harry owe the Dursleys? [16:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Petunia will be made to answer for her treatment of Harry? Will she ever experience remorse? [16:37] <Alianor> And they're the only family he has, such as they are. [16:37] <harryfreak359> Yeah, but they treated him badly, so they don;t owe him anything [16:37] <Shard> Funny enough yes [16:37] <Expelliarmas> I think she's already experiencing remorse [16:37] <Aislinn> I think she felt a little when Dumbledore was there [16:37] <harryfreak359> he doesn't owe them anything* [16:37] <Narya> I think Petunia will answer for it [16:37] <Kelazma> I think Petunia would have been given the chance to give him back to Dumbledore, don't you think? [16:37] <Alianor> But I don't think he'll abandon them. [16:37] <adamgryff> I think Petunia will have to answer for her treatment of Harry [16:37] <Poet> I think she'll feel remorse yes [16:37] * harryfreak359 is getting confused confused07 [16:38] <futureweasley> I think Hermione might get in her face [16:38] <fawkes28> i think she will feel remorse [16:38] <cloudpic> She's got to feel like she's been trapped in a no-win situation [16:38] <Shard> ouple of Curicios' ought to do the trick [16:38] <Narya> Harry won't abandon them, that will make her feel worse [16:38] <futureweasley> Hermione being about fair treatment to all [16:38] <Shard> j/k [16:38] <fawkes28> yes, harry will still help them [16:38] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [16:38] <fawkes28> he is too pure of heart [16:38] <cloudpic> I agree [16:38] <Aislinn> right fawkes [16:38] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [16:38] <Shard> Yeah Harry has to save people [16:38] <Narya> and must stay that way [16:38] <futureweasley> I think that Petunia will be made to feel remorsefull [16:38] <Shard> WB Sooner [16:38] <adamgryff> I agree Harry will step in to help [16:38] <cloudpic> Or he's not Harry [16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks [16:38] <Alianor> That's all I meant. They've cetainly negated any "favors" they've done him. [16:39] <Aislinn> harry will turn 17 while at their house, and there will be an attack, and he will take them to safety at Grimmauld place [16:39] <SoonerGryffindor> lets see if I can actually not lag now [16:39] <harryfreak359> computer problems, brb! [16:39] <Poet> As readers we want the Dursleys to pay a little I think , but not too much - at least in my opinion [16:39] <Narya> The Dursleys owe Harry everything - that's really important .. he owes them nothing [16:39] <Aislinn> which will make Petunia finally see him as something other than horrible [16:39] <futureweasley> I think that's how it will go, too, Aislinn [16:39] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [16:39] <Expelliarmas> that should be interesting--the Dursleys at the "dark" house [16:39] <Poet> I like it Aislinn [16:39] <fawkes28> she will but i dont know about her husband [16:39] <futureweasley> I think he owes them a certain amount, Narya [16:39] <Alianor> Just a bit of their own medicine. Actually, Grimmauld Place would be enough by itself. [16:39] <Narya> I don't think so [16:39] <Poet> Yes [16:39] <Expelliarmas> maybe Petunia can finish Molly's cleaning at Grimmauld? [16:39] <Narya> For keeping him in a cupboard? [16:40] <Narya> For insulting his mother? [16:40] <Poet> ho ho [16:40] <Expelliarmas> that will be her penance [16:40] <fawkes28> then she could work on cleaning grimmauld place [16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I still thnk that Petunia needs to answer for a lot [16:40] <Aislinn> yeah, can you imagine Petunia in that house? [16:40] <futureweasley> for keeping him... [16:40] <Narya> Harry doesn't owe them at all [16:40] <Aislinn> lol [16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> you don;t treat any child the way that Harry was treated [16:40] <Narya> Exactly Sooner [16:40] *** linzy has joined #lounge [16:40] <Poet> That house is downright dangerous to a muggle [16:40] <fawkes28> esp with sirius' mother?? [16:40] <Alianor> And again I think of Mrs. Black..."Filthy muggles!" [16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> she was a mother-- she should have known better [16:40] <futureweasley> I agree that he's been treated poorly [16:40] <Aislinn> he doesn't owe them anything, but he will care for them anyway, because that is who he is [16:40] <Narya> She DID know better and chose not to make herself better [16:41] <adamgryff> agreed aislinn [16:41] <Aislinn> agreed, narya [16:41] <Alianor> I don't mean that they didn't do anything for him, but I don't think they can claim any sort of life-debt. [16:41] <Narya> Harry is who he is despite the Dursleys, and Petunia should be thankful for that [16:41] *** linzy has quit [Bye] [16:41] <fawkes28> exactly narya [16:41] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [16:41] <futureweasley> I totally agree...but that isn't to say that they didn't "do" for him [16:41] <Narya> Her time with him is running short [16:41] <Poet> It's about our choices isn't it? I'd love to see Harry back in the Black house, but treating the Dursleys very different from how they treated him in their house [16:41] <Narya> But what did they do? [16:41] <Alianor> To a degree, BECAUSE of the Dursleys That made him strong. [16:41] <Aislinn> well, they didn't let him die - that was about it though [16:42] <harryfreak359> are we on another question? [16:42] <Narya> No Aislinn [16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> not yet harryfreak [16:42] <Narya> Harry wouldn't have died anyway [16:42] <cloudpic> I do think that harry owes the Dursleys. They did not show him love. They were harsh, even cruel. But he's alive because they took him in. Period. [16:42] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge [16:42] <harryfreak359> thanks Sooner [16:42] <Alianor> I don't even remember what the question is. [16:42] <futureweasley> and clothed and fed and housed him [16:42] <harryfreak359> I don't either, really [16:42] <cloudpic> They put themselves in jeopardy for him, no? [16:42] <adamgryff> harry saved Pettigrew why not help the Dursleys? [16:42] <futureweasley> granted, there was no love, but he was provided for [16:42] <fawkes28> true adam [16:42] <Narya> I don't think they did, cloudpic [16:42] <Alianor> He will. [16:42] <Poet> Will Petunia have to pay .... (that was the question in short) [16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I just think that you don't treat a little child the way he got treated and expect to get away with it [16:42] <Narya> they've led a sheltered existence thanks to Harry [16:43] <Narya> their life has been easy [16:43] <Narya> Harry's has been anything but [16:43] <Aislinn> clothed him in cast offs that were too big, and fed him, but never enough to feel full [16:43] <cloudpic> But they only knew what had happened to his parents, allegedely powerful wizards... [16:43] <Alianor> (thanks) [16:43] <Narya> Shut him in a cupboard, gave him a toothpick for Christmas ... [16:43] <Aislinn> they would be arrested, if they were foster parents in the real world [16:43] <Expelliarmas> allowed Dudley and Vernon to bully him; treated him like a butler ... [16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Aislinn [16:43] <futureweasley> but they DID for him [16:43] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [16:43] <futureweasley> the didn't do enough by our standards, but he was "done" for [16:44] <Narya> They didn't do anything, I'm afraid [16:44] <Aislinn> they abused him physically and mentally [16:44] <cloudpic> I don't disagree that they did the least possible in the way of care, and nothing in the way of love. [16:44] <fawkes28> he is very independent which is good for him...could you imagine if he was spoiled and turned out like dudley...there is no way he would have been able to do all of the things he did [16:44] <Narya> Their behaviour has been execrable [16:44] <cloudpic> But he's alive because they took him in. [16:44] <futureweasley> they did more than you are giving them credit for [16:44] <Alianor> I don't know, foster care gets away with some lousy stuff (the bad people, I mean, I know there are nice ones, too) [16:44] <Narya> I disagree cloudpic [16:44] <harryfreak359> but at least he did come out as a spoiled brat, that was what DD wanted [16:44] <Narya> Harry is alive because of his protection [16:44] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here [16:44] <Expelliarmas> no, but he could have turned out like Tom--totally anti-Muggle ... [16:44] <cloudpic> But he didn't. [16:44] <wronskifeint> and then he would have been in Slytherin [16:44] <harryfreak359> that would have been scary [16:44] <Expelliarmas> which says more about Harry than the Dursleys [16:45] <Aislinn> but that was not due to them, it was due to his own strength of character, and his parents [16:45] <harryfreak359> yep [16:45] <cloudpic> Did he learn by bad example? [16:45] <SoonerGryffindor> what do you most want to find out about Petunia? [16:45] <futureweasley> vote here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry943988 [16:45] <harryfreak359> I agree expel [16:45] <cloudpic> "I won't be like them?" [16:45] <Narya> I want to find out why she has been so bitter and twisted all these years [16:45] <cloudpic> Did she know what was reallly going on. [16:45] <SoonerGryffindor> us there one thing that sticks out the most? [16:45] <wronskifeint> I want to find out exactly how much she knows about the wizarding world [16:45] <adamgryff> what inforamtion she has to give to Harry [16:45] <harryfreak359> I want to find out that Petunia did not have a relationship with Snape [16:45] <Alianor> But some of his personality does come from being with the Dursleys, even if they were horrible to him. Some of that strength comes from what he has endured with them. [16:45] <wronskifeint> and who she ment by 'that awful boy' [16:45] <futureweasley> I want to find out what turned her off to magic [16:46] <Poet> I want to know why she cleans so much [16:46] <Expelliarmas> I want to know what's "more than meets the eye" [16:46] <adamgryff> lol poet [16:46] <harryfreak359> me too expel [16:46] <Alianor> lol, hf [16:46] <fawkes28> what her relationship was with lily before hogwarts and throughout the hogwarts years [16:46] <Narya> I also want to find out whether she really did love her sister or not [16:46] <wronskifeint> lol poet [16:46] <Shard> same here Narya [16:46] *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] [16:46] <fawkes28> and of course who the awful boy was [16:46] <harryfreak359> and that James was really the "awful boy" [16:46] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet [16:46] <Alianor> hee he [16:46] <fawkes28> no no, hf [16:47] <adamgryff> no hf no [16:47] <harryfreak359> biggrin [16:47] <cloudpic> and that Sirius was that "awful boy" ;) [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf [16:47] <Poet> I want to know why they put a child in a cupboard instead of a bedroom when they had a perfectly good room that Dudley only used for toys [16:47] <Aislinn> I want to find out who the awful boy was - since it wasn't James tongue [16:47] <Narya> I also want to know that Poet [16:47] <futureweasley> You can vote for next week's P3 chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry943527 [16:47] <harryfreak359> lol [16:47] <cloudpic> hee hee... [16:47] <Expelliarmas> only used for castoffs and broken toys [16:47] <fawkes28> lol [16:47] <Poet> (except that it makes a great story) [16:47] <harryfreak359> yeah [16:47] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I want to know what Petunia really cleans the kitchen with [16:47] <Alianor> Beat them down to keep them down, you know. [16:47] <Narya> And I want to see DD's letters to her [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome YWKW [16:48] <harryfreak359> ooh me too Naray [16:48] <fawkes28> me too [16:48] <Poet> Indeed. [16:48] <harryfreak359> Narya* [16:48] * harryfreak359 can't type at all [16:48] <fawkes28> i want to know why she married vernon smile [16:48] <Alianor> I don't think there have been as many as some think, though. [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [16:48] <harryfreak359> that's a good question Fawkes lol [16:48] <fawkes28> he's too grumpy [16:48] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [16:48] <Alianor> I want to know how she broached the subject of her sister's "abnormality" to him. [16:48] <Narya> She married Vernon for security and because he was "normal" [16:48] <Poet> I've wanted to know that as well fawkes28, but I don't think we'll ever quite understand that one [16:49] <harryfreak359> he is normal?! [16:49] <Narya> Allegedly [16:49] <fawkes28> lol i know [16:49] <harryfreak359> Eek! [16:49] <Alianor> Disgustingly normal [16:49] <adamgryff> to the outside world maybe [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> normal? [16:49] <futureweasley> bye [16:49] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [16:49] <Narya> No such thing [16:49] <fawkes28> well then i dont want to marry normal [16:49] <Expelliarmas> he's boring, but not normal [16:49] <Alianor> Unextraordinary, then [16:49] <harryfreak359> me either....I'd have killed him after two minutes... [16:49] <Alianor> painfully uninteresting [16:49] <harryfreak359> of being in the same room [16:49] <fawkes28> lol, hf [16:49] <You_wont_know_who> come off it [16:50] <Narya> Petunia doesn't want anything to trouble her orderly life, that's why she married Vernon. It's clear that she is the boss in that relationship [16:50] <cloudpic> He's a terrible git... does he make her feel...safe? [16:50] <You_wont_know_who> he is the right guy for Petunia [16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously, I really want to knw what she has to tell Harry and how it is going to hapen [16:50] <harryfreak359> yeah me too sooner [16:50] <You_wont_know_who> seconded [16:50] <cloudpic> Was Vernon a slap at her parents?? [16:50] <Narya> She'll tell Harry what she knows right at the beginning [16:50] <Alianor> here, here [16:50] <cloudpic> Yeah... me three! [16:50] <harryfreak359> yeah [16:50] <You_wont_know_who> or not [16:51] <Narya> Vernon was her refuge from the magical world [16:51] <Expelliarmas> I want to know what she makes of DD's death [16:51] <Alianor> Again, how did that conversation with him go? "My sister is...special. [16:51] <Alianor> " [16:51] <Narya> She saw it in Lily, and didn't like it [16:51] <You_wont_know_who> he is a Muggle [16:51] <Aislinn> that's my view too Naryz [16:51] <Aislinn> or Narya even [16:51] <harryfreak359> lol [16:51] <SoonerGryffindor> and if she is ever going to regret treating Harry like poo [16:51] <Narya> LOL [16:51] <harryfreak359> yeah sooner [16:51] <Narya> She might, if she is under threat [16:52] <You_wont_know_who> I don't think so [16:52] <Narya> or if Diddykins is [16:52] <adamgryff> yes [16:52] <fawkes28> i wonder if she knows DD is the only one you-know-who was afraid of [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> and I really want to see her and Mrs Black have a go at each other [16:52] <harryfreak359> lol big D is never going to regret that [16:52] <You_wont_know_who> I bet she knows it [16:52] <Narya> I think she might guess [16:52] <Alianor> Will any of the Dursleys be one of the characters that doesn't make it to the end of the book, do you tlhink? [16:52] <Alianor> or think? [16:52] <Theoriser> I want to know what her boggart is [16:52] <fawkes28> then she would be upset by his death [16:52] <Expelliarmas> I want to see Petunia and Kreacher go at it [16:52] <Narya> I think they all survive [16:52] <Alianor> Her boggart is...something dirty [16:52] <You_wont_know_who> Petunia might survive [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, can a non-magical person have a boggart? [16:52] <harryfreak359> lol expel [16:52] <Aislinn> I think they all live [16:52] <harryfreak359> good question Sooner [16:53] <Narya> Not in that sense of the word, no [16:53] <Alianor> Well, a worst fear, for sure. [16:53] <harryfreak359> I think they'll all live too [16:53] <fawkes28> nah, i think they will die [16:53] <You_wont_know_who> it would be the death of Dursley, Petunia's boggart [16:53] <adamgryff> I think the Dursley's will all make it to the end [16:53] <You_wont_know_who> she is a little like Molly [16:53] <Expelliarmas> I vote for Marge getting AK'd. [16:53] <harryfreak359> I think it would be the death of Dudley [16:53] <Narya> I think Jo will keep them alive just to show what their choices have made them [16:53] <Aislinn> ooh, harsh expie [16:53] <harryfreak359> hehehe, expel, me too! [16:53] <adamgryff> I agree expelliarmas [16:53] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [16:54] <Expelliarmas> and her dog [16:54] <harryfreak359> lol [16:54] <Alianor> She loves her family as much as Molly does, sure. She just has a warped view on how to express it. [16:54] <cloudpic> Oh, dear! No one should get AK'd.... [16:54] <Alianor> Y'all are mean. [16:54] <harryfreak359> the dog will get payment for making harry stay up in the tree allnight [16:54] <Aislinn> agree cloudpic - book ends with huggles of doom, no AKing biggrin [16:54] <harryfreak359> lol [16:54] <You_wont_know_who> but what if Voldemort attacks Petunia's son and asks her to cooperate? [16:54] <cloudpic> Love it!! [16:54] *** Poet has joined #lounge [16:54] <cloudpic> Loved to death! [16:55] <harryfreak359> lol [16:55] <cloudpic> ohhh...did I say that!? [16:55] <fawkes28> i think she would sacrifice herself for dudley [16:55] <Alianor> I seem to remember that from a previous chat. Something about Voldemort in a big group hug. [16:55] <Aislinn> hehehe [16:55] <cloudpic> Most Mom's would... [16:55] <harryfreak359> lol This post has been edited by Aislinn: Sep 10 2006, 05:02 PM |
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[16:55] <Aislinn> she would fawkes - do you think she will have to?
[16:55] <You_wont_know_who> but if Voldemort asks her to sacrifice Harry [16:55] <Alianor> Which would kill him, because he can't touch Harry. [16:55] <fawkes28> i dont think she will but if it came down to it she would [16:56] <Narya> LV can't touch Harry, so Petunia can't influence that one [16:56] <harryfreak359> I was thinking....how does that magical on the dursley's home still work? [16:56] <cloudpic> Put yourself in her place.... what would any mom do with such a choice...implode? [16:56] <cloudpic> Not after Harry's "of age" I don't think... [16:56] <Expelliarmas> What would Petunia make of LV? Would she know he's "you-know-who" and be afraid? [16:56] <Aislinn> it won't after Harry is of age [16:56] <fawkes28> well i dont know about merope [16:56] <harryfreak359> I mean wasn't it basically the same thing as Voldie being able to touch Harry, but now that he has Harry's blood... [16:56] <cloudpic> He's pretty creepy looking... [16:57] <Aislinn> which is why they will need to be rescued [16:57] <Poet> hmm [16:57] <cloudpic> Yep. [16:57] <cloudpic> I agree Aislinn.... [16:57] <Alianor> You mean you think he can touch him now/ [16:57] <Alianor> ? [16:57] <Kelazma> Since Harry was protected by Lily's blood...and Petunia somehow was the reason Harry was protected...can LV touch Petuina? [16:57] <cloudpic> I can hear Ron and Hermione arguing about it now... [16:57] <harryfreak359> well he can, because Voldemort has harry's blood [16:57] <Narya> I think they stay precisely where they are, and take whatever is coming to them ... but Harry won't be there long, so it won't matter [16:57] <harryfreak359> tongueonder: [16:57] <cloudpic> Now the magic is over [16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, although this has been covered, but you know we life to ask this at the end..................... [16:57] <Alianor> More like Hermione lecturing and Ron begging for an escape. [16:58] <harryfreak359> oooooh that was weird.... [16:58] <Aislinn> Harry was personally protected by Lily's sacrifice - the Dursleys was protected by the fact that they are his blood relatives, as well as spell work by Dumbledore [16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia Dursley -- live or die? [16:58] <harryfreak359> live [16:58] <adamgryff> live [16:58] <Narya> Petunia lives [16:58] <Poet> Live! [16:58] <Kelazma> live [16:58] <Theoriser> live! [16:58] <You_wont_know_who> live [16:58] <fawkes28> die [16:58] <Alianor> live [16:58] <Aislinn> live [16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I say live [16:58] <cloudpic> lives [16:58] <harryfreak359> only one die [16:58] <fawkes28> im outnumbered [16:58] <Expelliarmas> lives, but should get a dementor visit [16:58] <Theoriser> there's no real reason for her to die [16:58] <harryfreak359> I guess she lives! [16:58] <harryfreak359> lol [16:58] <Alianor> No, nobody deserves that [16:58] <Poet> And perhaps she'll get one of Mrs. Figg's cats and never know its a half-Kneezle ;) [16:58] <cloudpic> Too bad our votes don't count for Harry... [16:58] <Alianor> Would that we were in control of that! [16:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks so much for the wonderful chat guys! You have been great! smile [16:59] <cloudpic> Yes, Alianor [16:59] * SoonerGryffindor gives out group hugs [16:59] <Poet> Great chat, yeah. [16:59] <harryfreak359> it was a lot of fun [16:59] <You_wont_know_who> woot! [16:59] <Narya> Thanks everyone [16:59] <cloudpic> Oh, yes! Great chat! Wish I'd been here for all... [16:59] * harryfreak359 joins group hug [16:59] <You_wont_know_who> my first! [16:59] <Poet> Bye! [16:59] <adamgryff> thanks [16:59] <You_wont_know_who> bye! [16:59] <cloudpic> Bravo!! Youwon't! [16:59] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [16:59] <Aislinn> hope to see you all at one of the next chats - tomorrow at 4pm, or Wed at 7pm [16:59] <fawkes28> bye thanks everyone smile [16:59] <Alianor> I'll try an remember earlier next week! [16:59] <Narya> See you in the Lounge |
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