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[13:56] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:56] *** Topic is: HarryPotterSeven.com Chat - Fallen Family: The Malfoys - by Lorie Damerill [13:56] *** Topic set by futureweasley [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [13:56] <futureweasley> sorry, helps if I get my "mod" on! [13:56] <futureweasley> hi guys! [13:57] <Spectre> hi Sooner [13:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> It definitely helps [13:57] <futureweasley> how are you doing today?! [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> hello everyone [13:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> Not bad thanks yourself? Hey Sooner [13:57] <futureweasley> doing awesome... [13:57] <futureweasley> did you have a chance to read Lorie's essay?! [13:58] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [13:58] <futureweasley> hi Dreamteam! [13:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> Ive just started reading it! Better late than never *rolls eyes* Its pretty good i must say! [13:58] <Dreamteam> hi future [13:58] <futureweasley> Lorie is amazing...so smart and insightful [13:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely! biggrin [13:59] *** shadow_onthesun has joined #lounge [13:59] <futureweasley> hi shadow [13:59] <futureweasley> so, how are things going? are you guys gearing up for Deathly Hallows? [14:00] <shadow_onthesun> hi future, have we started yet? im not to great on working out time in other counties! [14:00] <shadow_onthesun> I cant wait! [14:00] <futureweasley> nope, we will begin in about 15 minutes [14:00] <futureweasley> you did good today!! [14:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:00] * futureweasley highfives shadow [14:00] <futureweasley> hi Aislinn [14:00] <Aislinn> hi [14:00] <Spectre> it's 23:00 in Moscow smile [14:00] <shadow_onthesun> I've got a picnic planned, Im going to drive and find a quiet spot next to a river and read it while drinking chamagne and eating lemon sherberts! [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> wow [14:01] <Dreamteam> HarryPotterSeven.com Chat - Fallen Family: The Malfoys - by Lorie Damerill [14:01] <shadow_onthesun> hi sooner, aislinn [14:01] <Dreamteam> oops, I haven't read this [14:01] <Dreamteam> any point in staying? [14:01] *** MattiekTLC has joined #lounge [14:01] <Aislinn> sure, you can still talk about your feelings on the Malfoys [14:01] <futureweasley> sure Dreamteam [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> sure you can stay dreamteam [14:02] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [14:02] <futureweasley> it's about the Malfoys [14:02] *** tldy969 has joined #lounge [14:02] <leakylurker> hi everyone, just lurking for a few [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet not everyone has read it, and I'm sure you have an opinion of the Malfoys [14:02] <futureweasley> anyone who has an opinion about the Malfoys is welcome [14:02] <futureweasley> and Laudy knows, I have some opinions [14:02] <Spectre> The Blonde Besties of the series... smile [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [14:02] *** MattiekTLC has quit [Bye] [14:03] <Dreamteam> ok,sorry got called away by phone [14:03] * futureweasley wishes she could AK the phone during chats. Alas, it rings and rings [14:03] <Dreamteam> said I wouldn't answer it but my arm just shoots out before I realise [14:03] <Dreamteam> LOL [14:04] <shadow_onthesun> i might have to dash away at some point too, my daughter is meant to be asleep now, but she's sitting at my feet playing instead! [14:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> LOL future! [14:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> aww bless! Can't fault her mind you although sleep appeals to me as well... decisions decisions [14:04] <leakylurker> is the author of the essay coming today? [14:05] <Aislinn> unfortunately, no [14:05] <futureweasley> I don't think Lorie can make it today...which is unfortunate [14:05] <shadow_onthesun> i love your name princess, why did you choose it? [14:05] <leakylurker> okay just curious [14:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> sad [14:06] <Aislinn> test [14:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks shadow! I just love pickled onions lol. Obsessive about so many things... cough cough harry potter... Everyone's got so many interesting names - i thought mine was a bit bland but apparantly not! biggrin thank you! [14:06] <leakylurker> i see you aislinn [14:07] <Aislinn> thanks, leaky smile [14:07] <Aislinn> have to reconnect, though - terrible lag [14:07] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:07] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:07] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [14:07] <NYBookworm> hi [14:07] <leakylurker> hi ny [14:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey smile [14:08] <futureweasley> hi NYB [14:08] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:08] <futureweasley> hi Jane! [14:09] <shadow_onthesun> hi ny [14:09] <Spectre> hi Bookworm and Jane [14:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Did any of you see Bellatrix on Jonathan ross? I missed it sad didnt even realise she was on *sob* [14:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hey jane!! [14:09] <JaneMarple9> hello all! [14:09] <leakylurker> no is jonathon ross UK or US? [14:09] <Dreamteam> Hi Jane [14:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> uk lolsmile [14:09] <futureweasley> Princess, I think the interview will be available on the Leaky Video Galleries soon [14:10] <Dreamteam> UK, its been on twice and I missed both! [14:10] <JaneMarple9> UK Jonathon Ross - can't pronounce his R's properly! smile [14:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> Really!? Oh my gosh! Leaky rocks yeah [14:10] <shadow_onthesun> he's from leytonstone, like my hubby [14:10] <Dreamteam> Yeah Jonathon Woss [14:10] <leakylurker> ooo, I can help him, I'm a speech therapist! [14:10] <futureweasley> the galleries do kick butt [14:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> Oh my lord dreamteam - that's frustrating!! [14:10] <Aislinn> are you, leaky? I'm an Occupational Therapist [14:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> LL!! I want to be one of them! sounds amazing [14:11] <Aislinn> although I don't treat anymore [14:11] <leakylurker> If I had it to do over I would be an OT Aislinn! [14:11] <Aislinn> it's a great profession [14:11] <shadow_onthesun> leaky- my hub went for eloqution lessons as a child, but everyone in leytonstone that andrew knows has terrible accents! [14:11] <futureweasley> Aislinn has turned her "occupational therapy" practice toward her poor Corner Booth mods...and she does a fine job [14:11] <leakylurker> You can't MAKE a kid talk, but you can MAKE them put a peg in a board smile [14:11] <Aislinn> LOL [14:11] <shadow_onthesun> you could make a million there [14:12] <JaneMarple9> went to a speech therapist for quite a few years, with having a cleft palate. Good profession [14:12] <leakylurker> did you do peds or adults Aislinn? [14:12] <futureweasley> adults who act like peds? [14:12] <leakylurker> lol future [14:12] <shadow_onthesun> what is ped? [14:12] <Spectre> I also used to visit a speech therapist when I stuttered in my early childhood [14:12] <futureweasley> a child [14:12] <leakylurker> ped is pediatrics sorry [14:12] <Aislinn> started with peds., and moved on to home care, then geriatric rehab. - I'm actually doing computer systems for health care now though [14:13] <leakylurker> how interesting! I love my job but don't know if I can sit on the floor with the playdough for my whole career [14:13] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:13] <Aislinn> that was one of the reasons I moved on, although I loved playing with the kids [14:13] <Spectre> hi fawkes [14:13] <Dreamteam> Hi fawkes [14:13] <fawkes28> hey guys smile [14:13] <leakylurker> I hope you all had nice speech therapists! [14:13] <futureweasley> hi! [14:13] <Aislinn> hey fawkes [14:13] <JaneMarple9> smile playdoh can get boring LL? smile [14:13] <JaneMarple9> hey fawkes [14:14] <Aislinn> no, it's just hard getting up and down off the floor, jane! [14:14] <leakylurker> Actually I love playdough, but it is like a little germ catcher! [14:14] <Spectre> I don't remember mine at all... but I don't stutter anymore so they must have done their job well biggrin [14:14] <Aislinn> laugh [14:14] <JaneMarple9> give me plasticine and lego every time! [14:14] <fawkes28> playdough conversation, interesting [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> plasticine? [14:14] <shadow_onthesun> does anyone have a good play dough recipe? [14:14] <leakylurker> playdough is very therapeutic [14:14] <leakylurker> relaxing [14:14] <PrincessPickledOnion> Well i cant wait to play with playdough all day - be a nice release from the stress ive had recently! hehe [14:15] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [14:15] <JaneMarple9> more or less the same as playdough [14:15] <fawkes28> my old students used to throw it at me laugh [14:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [14:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [14:15] <futureweasley> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [14:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [14:16] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Last week we discussed the poor but heroic Weasley family, today we'll consider a family with very different fortunes — in more ways than finance. "Blonde, Syltherin and often sneering at those around them…" are descriptors Lorie Damerell (Asphodel Wormwood) uses to open her Chapter on the Malfoys. [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> "At the conclusion of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, one was incarcerated; one a fugitive and the other's whereabouts were unknown." What will become of this proud family whose ties to the Dark Lord are now clearly known? Asphodel Wormwood cautions that "predicting what J. K. Rowling will write is never an easy job…she has that remarkable talent of surprising us all quite spectacularly." [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> But let's join the author of the chapter, "Fallen Family" in making some educated guesses. The Chapter may be found here http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven/malfoy [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> . Asphodel Wormwood opens her chapter commenting that the Malfoy family's "name is probably beyond reparation." Will the Wizarding public learn about Draco's allowing Death Eaters including the vile werewolf Fenir to enter his own school? Public disgrace? Irreparable? [14:17] *** cke03 has joined #lounge [14:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> Welcome fawkes - to the magical world of Playdough:P I think we should run a competiton to see who can create a playdough potter figure! laugh [14:17] <futureweasley> Well, I do think that there is definitely a stain on the family name at this point [14:18] <cke03> hello people what are we talking about? [14:18] <fawkes28> I think it will be known and Draco will not be well received by the wizarding community [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the Malfoy name is pretty much mud at this time [14:18] <futureweasley> they have been exposed as LV supporters [14:18] <futureweasley> there really isn't any way to come back from that [14:18] <NYBookworm> I can't imagfine how they could keep that secret [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> cke, we are talking about the HPseven essay on the Malfoy family [14:18] <futureweasley> they've been blown out of the water [14:18] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [14:18] <futureweasley> so to speak [14:18] <dumbleydore18> The ministry will want to keep the whole DE thing into Hogwarts a secret. But as the things in HOgwarts tend to leak to the outer world by students it's inevitable that keeping things secret wont happen. [14:19] <fawkes28> i think they are even beyond public disgrace at this point [14:19] <futureweasley> I agree fawkes [14:19] <dumbleydore18> by the way...Hi jane! [14:19] <leakylurker> Are people going to believe Harry this time though? He is the one that witnessed Draco [14:19] <fawkes28> really, people dig their own grave so i feel no sorrow for them [14:19] <Dreamteam> I think they will, there are lots of witnesses in the school [14:19] <futureweasley> the ministry can no longer accept the Malfoy's financial contributions without looking like they are in LV's pocket [14:19] <shadow_onthesun> I doubt it, although with lucius in jail they are probably beyond that [14:20] <futureweasley> therefore, Lucius has no more clout with them [14:20] <fawkes28> that is a good question, leakylurker - i think more may believe him this time around [14:20] <cke03> draco is a whole other subject [14:20] <Spectre> DEs in school... will Mr Borgin be questioned? [14:20] <leakylurker> We didn't really get a feel for how the wizard feels about this whole thing yet, all we saw was the funeral [14:20] <dumbleydore18> people will only believe Harry if the minister believes him or else the public eye reads the quibbler [14:20] *** princessmela has quit [Bye] [14:20] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [14:20] <futureweasley> people will believe Harry, if Harry goes public this time (which I doubt he will do, because he wasn't technically supposed to be there) [14:20] <cke03> even if they dont believe harry, they will still be wary of all the Malfoys and any associated with them. [14:20] <princessmela> hi [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I personally think that they will believe Harry [14:21] <princessmela> that was so weird it wasn't letting me type [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> why would he lie about that? [14:21] <futureweasley> plus, Harry has bigger fish to fry at this point. Draco's a drop in the proverbial bucket [14:21] <leakylurker> well because they didn't believe him in the past [14:21] <fawkes28> i think the ministry has too much to do to play harry as the fool this time [14:21] <cke03> i think harry will be preoccupied anyway and won't care if they believe him or not [14:21] <Dreamteam> lots of people in school including teachers saw the DEs - they can't all beliers [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> besdies, the fact that Draco ran away from the scene of the crime screams "I'm guilty!" [14:21] <cke03> true true [14:21] <leakylurker> thats true dreamteam [14:22] <princessmela> Has Harry really ever cared if they believe him. I think he is more concerned with how they act around him [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Most believe that Narcissa was primarily responsible for spoiling Draco, the only child of the Malfoy family. Is it Narcissa's fault? Why might she have been unable to resist spoiling her son? Have we seen any glimpses of closeness between mother and son? [14:22] <shadow_onthesun> but will they believe harry pointing the finger at draco? [14:22] <Dreamteam> I think he'll be too busy to worry about Draco [14:22] <fawkes28> no, it is not completely her fault [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Draco would have turned out the same no matter what. [14:22] <leakylurker> Well Draco said his mother didn't want him to go to Durmstrand because it was too far away [14:23] <leakylurker> so maybe they were close [14:23] <Spectre> I think both parents are at fault... but Narcissa probably spent more time with Draco [14:23] <princessmela> I think it's Narcissa's fault that he has some humanity [14:23] <Dreamteam> Draco is Dudley's magical equivalent [14:23] <fawkes28> she was not helping him by spoiling him, but again Draco makes his own decisions [14:23] <Aislinn> I think she loves her son, but she definitely spoiled him - I agree, dreamteam [14:23] <dumbleydore18> No it's not Narcissa's fault....it's the "choices we make". Narcissa didn't baby Draco into making his choices [14:23] <cke03> i think he will want their full co-operation,if they have anything to offer they'll have to give it him as they know he is the only to defeat LV( mean the MOM) [14:23] <cke03> Narcissa is an unusual one [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Had Narcissa not shown him love, it might actually have been worse [14:23] <futureweasley> the Beatles said it best, "Money can't buy me love" [14:23] <Dreamteam> I think his mother spoiled him but his father encouraged his intolerance and prejudice [14:23] <princessmela> I just don't think Narcissa's and Draco have an unhealthy relationship [14:24] <fawkes28> I think she did what she thought was best - she clearly loves him i have no doubts about that [14:24] <cke03> boys look to their fathers after all [14:24] <futureweasley> and I think that she likely has tried to substitute possessions for affections [14:24] <shadow_onthesun> his mother seems nice, but from what we have seen of him with his father he seems cold- i think it is his fault- you cant spoil a child with love, but lucius seems like the type who would give him things to show the world what he has [14:24] <futureweasley> Narcissa seems nice?! [14:24] <Dreamteam> LOL [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> So does everyone see Narcissa as the wizarding equivalent to Petunia? [14:24] <princessmela> Yeah I didn't get that either [14:24] <dumbleydore18> I think the Malfoys have a healthy family unit, it's just when it comes to money and power, they don't show it. Keeping the love at home. [14:24] <futureweasley> she's henious! [14:24] <cke03> DD18 no no [14:25] <shadow_onthesun> nice to her son! [14:25] <Dreamteam> but not to Draco [14:25] <Dreamteam> She's good to him [14:25] <shadow_onthesun> i should have made that more clear lol! [14:25] <princessmela> No Sooner I don't think we have any evidence that Narcissa is a bad as Petunia [14:25] <futureweasley> ok Shadow, I will buy into that [14:25] <fawkes28> I think she can be comparable to Petunia [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so as well [14:25] <leakylurker> She is a loving mother who would do anything for her son, that must count for someting [14:25] <princessmela> I think she is more like Molly [14:25] <leakylurker> same as petunia in that way [14:25] <princessmela> Honestly [14:25] <leakylurker> or molly [14:25] <princessmela> a deatheater version of Molly [14:25] <fawkes28> they are similar in the way they love their sons and how they will do anything to protect them [14:25] <Aislinn> She sends along treats to Draco at school every day [14:25] <Spectre> I think one mistake the Malfoy parents made is letting Draco know how influential they are [14:26] <Aislinn> that is spoiling him [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> she loves her son, but instead of that love helping her son to be a better person, it spoiled him and shielded him from the realities of life [14:26] <Spectre> Draco always boasts, "my father will do this, my father will do that"... [14:26] <Dreamteam> I think her intentions towards Draco are good, but she does spoil him, [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> the Dursleys teach that lesson to Dudley as well [14:26] <Dreamteam> sends him loads of sweets by owl [14:26] <princessmela> Well the Weasley's can't really be spoiled, can they? [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> How did Lucius participate in "spoiling" Draco? Is there evidence that Lucius ever disciplined his son? Any signs of a strong father/son relationship? [14:26] <cke03> shes has not really protected him well, he still became a DE, and she is nothing like Molly, she is wonderful [14:26] <dumbleydore18> I don't think Narcissa is a Molly, but neither a Petunia, I think she has a little more control over Draco. The way she was begging at Snape's feet showed me her undieing love for Draco. No matter how evil she is. [14:26] <Aislinn> they've certainly raised him to buy into all their pure blood superiority baloney, spectre, you're right [14:26] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [14:27] <PrincessPickledOnion> since when are material items symbols of real love? Maybe Draco wont let his mother get close - like she longs to be? [14:27] <princessmela> Well, most kids believe what they are taught [14:27] <leakylurker> hi coudpic [14:27] <princessmela> I mean not everyone can be a Sirius.. [14:27] <Spectre> Lucius' role... as I said just before, Lucius let Draco know how influential he is [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that unlike Vernon, Lucius did discipline Draco [14:27] <fawkes28> I think that Lucius has led very poorly by example by buying his son's way on to the Quidditch team [14:27] <Aislinn> I think that a lot of Draco's mistaken belief in his superiority comes from his father [14:27] * cloudpic waves go all [14:27] <Dreamteam> Lucius expects a lot from Draco [14:27] <dumbleydore18> Lucius did punnish Draco...remember all the times that Draco got wacked with his cane? [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I would agree with that Aislinn [14:27] <princessmela> I always thought of Lucius as rather abusive [14:27] <shadow_onthesun> i do dumbley [14:27] <Aislinn> and I believe that he has taught Draco lessons like it is possible to buy influence [14:27] <fawkes28> he thinks he can win Draco's love with money and I actually think they have a very poor relationship [14:27] <cloudpic> *to [14:27] <cke03> yes son and father do have a strong bond but not in a natural way [14:27] <Dreamteam> and is not very tolerant when Draco doesn't live up to his expectations [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that superiority complex coupled with Narcissa's indulgence created the monster that is Draco [14:28] <Aislinn> the way he paid Draco's way onto the Quidditch team [14:28] <dumbleydore18> Lucius played down and dirty with all of his influences but was stern with Draco [14:28] <fawkes28> I think Lucius is a much worse influence on his son's believes than Narcissa [14:28] <leakylurker> there you go sooner [14:28] <leakylurker> sums it up [14:28] *** cke03 has quit [Bye] [14:28] <shadow_onthesun> Lucius seems like an old fashioned father- children should be seen and not heard [14:28] <Dreamteam> I agree fawkes, Lucius is the worst influence [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, out of the 2 parents, he was [14:28] <dumbleydore18> Lucius' sterness came from him wanting Draco to learn his "influencial ways". [14:28] <cloudpic> I think so, shadow/sun [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Narcissa was apparently as much a "pureblood elitist" as her outspoken spouse, yet we found her "on her knees and crying before someone that her sister deemed quite unworthy…." Why ever did she come to Snape? What help did she expect? [14:28] <Spectre> Lucius wanted to send Draco to Durmstrang... so he also transferred his extreme pure-blood prejudices to Draco [14:29] <princessmela> She trusts Snape [14:29] <Dreamteam> Snape is an old family friend and she believes he has LV's ear [14:29] <Aislinn> I believe that Snape has been a personal friend of the Malfoys since their school days [14:29] <fawkes28> i think in times of war - desperate times call for desperate measures [14:29] <leakylurker> Draco is in Snapes house, and Narcissa knows he is/ was a death eater [14:29] <cloudpic> But I wonder why she'd trust him, Bella doesn't [14:29] <PrincessPickledOnion> emotional support she cant get from Lucius [14:29] <Spectre> Snape took care of Draco for six school years [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this goes to show that she would do anything for her son [14:29] <princessmela> I thought Malfoy was older than Snape [14:29] <Spectre> Malfoy was 41 in OotP [14:29] <Spectre> and Snape around 35 or so [14:29] <dumbleydore18> like most have said, the Malfoy's were family friends of Snape. [14:29] <Dreamteam> Yes I think he is but they are friends [14:30] <fawkes28> I think she trusts him because they have built up a relationship with him over the years [14:30] <leakylurker> bella is not as emotional as narcissa, narcissa may be clouded in her judgement because of emotions [14:30] <shadow_onthesun> as a mother if someone could save my son i would beg them- it wouldnt matter who they were [14:30] <princessmela> but it is possible that Lucius helped to recruit Snape [14:30] <Dreamteam> Good point princess [14:30] <princessmela> that is possibly why she trusts him..because Lucius trusts him [14:30] <Spectre> and Draco also trusts him [14:31] <Dreamteam> Lucius would have been in year 7ish while Snape was in year 1 [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder if someone like Arthur could have possibly helped Draco, would she have gone to him? Theoretically speaking, of course [14:31] <princessmela> Draco trusts anyone who hates Harry and loves him [14:31] <cloudpic> Hard to picture a pure-blood loving wealthy man befriending and trusting an impoverished half-blood though [14:31] <shadow_onthesun> do we know how old narsissa is spectre. i imagin her being quite bit younger than lucius [14:31] <leakylurker> Narcissa coudn't go to Arthur without revealing the overall plan [14:31] <shadow_onthesun> *inagine [14:31] <princessmela> I think Snape was the only person she felt could truly protect her son [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> but the question is... would she have? [14:31] <dumbleydore18> Maybe it has to do with Draco being at Hogwarts and the headmaster being Dumbledore and Snape teaching that made Narcissa go to Snape. Snape knows what is to be done and has direct contact with Draco when the deed happened. So Snape could have kept a good eye on Draco rather than him being far away. [14:31] <Spectre> Narcissa was of Lucius' age if I correctly remember the Black family tree [14:31] <PrincessPickledOnion> Good point sooner, arthur is the equivalent on the trustworthy - support seeking type; harry turns to him several times [14:31] <cloudpic> Seeing Narcissa at a place like Spinner's end was so out of place [14:32] *** cke03 has joined #lounge [14:32] <shadow_onthesun> you have a better memory than me! [14:32] <leakylurker> i don't think she would have, I don't think it would have even occurred to her sooner [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I personally think she would have gone to a muggle if it would have bailed Draco out [14:32] <princessmela> Bellatrix is probably about the age of Marauders [14:32] <fawkes28> which shows how much she loves her son by going there [14:32] <princessmela> Narcissa and Andromeda are older [14:32] <cloudpic> True, fawkes [14:32] *** tldy969 has quit [Bye] [14:32] <Dreamteam> and then burned her clothes and scrubbed her hands, Sooner? [14:32] <Dreamteam> LOL [14:32] <Aislinn> Bella is older than the marauders [14:32] <cloudpic> LOL, Dreamteam [14:32] <Aislinn> she is about 6 years older [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Bellatrix and Narcissa have lived very different lives since they were children together… they probably haven't had much time to develop an adult sister relationship. Asphodel Wormwood asks, "Will Narcissa run around Britain in a desperate frenzy to hunt down her erratic, Death Eater sister…?" Will she? Should she? Can Narcissa trust Bella? [14:32] <princessmela> Is she? [14:32] <shadow_onthesun> I think she would sooner. if talking to my worst enemy would save my sons life i would do it [14:33] <princessmela> I thought she was the baby [14:33] <Aislinn> i think Narcissa is the youngest [14:33] <Spectre> Bella was born in 1951 [14:33] <Spectre> and Narcissa in 1955, a year younger than Lucius [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagree with this part of the essay [14:33] <Aislinn> so both would have been at school with Snape, but different years [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Bella already said she would sell her own son out for LV, why would she be loyal to Narcissa? [14:33] <cke03> i dont think she can trust her, she has an unheathly obsession with LV [14:33] <fawkes28> i think it is foolish for her to hunt down her sister - i think it is important her her to lay low right now [14:34] <Dreamteam> Apart from being family, which she doesn't have much of now, why would she want to find Bella? [14:34] <Aislinn> I think it is different, though sooner. [14:34] <cloudpic> That's true, Sooner... but from Bella's lips to Voldie's ears? [14:34] <Spectre> Bella is family, probably the closest remaining family after Lucius' encarcerating and Sirius' death [14:34] <leakylurker> yes, I don't think Narcissa can trust Bella [14:34] <dumbleydore18> Being a Bella fan, I don't see Narcissisa rnning around looking for Bella. Bella is to "out there" to think sanely. [14:34] <Aislinn> She is talking about a hypothetical son, and an actual sister [14:34] <cloudpic> If she'd appeal to anyone... why not her sister? [14:34] <princessmela> I'm not really sure the Black family honors family [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> My personal opinion is that Bella would sell out any of her family if it came to it [14:34] <shadow_onthesun> if it comes to choosing between sister and child i think she would choose her child [14:34] <Aislinn> I don't think she would have chased after Narcissa if she didn't care [14:34] <fawkes28> i think so too, sooner [14:34] <dumbleydore18> agreed Sooner [14:34] <shadow_onthesun> its what nature compells us to do [14:35] <princessmela> She was probably proud her nephew was chosen for this task [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she wanted to chase down Narcissa to keep her from gonig to Snape. I dont think it had anything to do with family [14:35] <cke03> i think bella only followed her to snapes do dhe knew everything [14:35] <shadow_onthesun> i agree dream [14:35] <dumbleydore18> Bella is too far into being a DE that it would take a lot to get her out. [14:35] <cloudpic> So it seems that most here think Narcissa won't appeal to Bella for help between Voldemort and Draco if necessary? [14:35] <cke03> meant'she' [14:35] <shadow_onthesun> if bella is part of the inner circle, and she is trying to get her son out of the inner circle why would she follow her sister? [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think if Narcissa does that, she is a fool [14:35] <Aislinn> maybe, or maybe she was concerned that snape not learn the plan, as she felt he is untrustworthy [14:35] <princessmela> I think she knows her sister is to far gone [14:35] <dumbleydore18> Bella is in it for herself, for personal gain as a Slytherin should be. [14:35] <Dreamteam> I think she'd be more loyal to LV than family any day [14:35] <cke03> exactly [14:36] <cloudpic> I think you may be right cke03 [14:36] <futureweasley> Narcissa is seriously unhinged [14:36] <cloudpic> It runs in the family? [14:36] <shadow_onthesun> absolutely dreamteam [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Narcissa appears to be "under threat of being captured from three sides" in Asphodel Wormwood's opinion. How would it help the Ministry to capture her? Is she in danger from the Dark Lord as Draco feared? [14:36] <cloudpic> unhinged and self centered [14:36] <futureweasley> I think she would sell anyone down the river...her family is no exception [14:36] <cke03> yes i think she is in troub;e [14:36] <princessmela> Yes cloudpic I think all the Blacks have this tendency to be somewhat psychotic [14:36] <Aislinn> She has been in LV's inner circle [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure if it would help the ministry to have custody of her, but it would probably be safest for her [14:37] <Aislinn> the Ministry would feel that they had really accomplished something significant if they caught her [14:37] <cloudpic> It would certainly give them another arrest to brag about... and one the public would not question [14:37] <cke03> i think the only way forwrd for narcissa and draco is to go to harry [14:37] <princessmela> Oh! she probably is in danger [14:37] <Spectre> the Ministry would probably try and get some additional information about Malfoys from her [14:37] <futureweasley> it might bring Draco out of the woodwork, and persuade him to testify [14:37] <Aislinn> much more valuable that "capturing" stan [14:37] <cloudpic> I'd not like to be safe in Azkaban though [14:37] <leakylurker> I agree she would be safer with the ministry. The ministry would be able to brag about the arrest [14:37] <princessmela> I'm not really sure what she has to do with the ministry she isn't a death eater [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously, what law has Narcissa broken? [14:37] <Dreamteam> I'm not sure the Ministry would benefit from her capture, apart from keeping up an appearance of vigilance [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> you cant be imprisoned for stuff your family does [14:37] <futureweasley> aiding and abedding, Sooner [14:37] <Spectre> Being a "people's enemy" family member [14:38] <fawkes28> if Lord Voldemort finds out what she done then I think she will be dead very quickly [14:38] <princessmela> None Sooner, just loving her son [14:38] <Spectre> Very Stalinist concept [14:38] <cloudpic> Why would Lord Voldemort go after Narcissa... Draco's the one he's mad at (if he's mad at all) [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> they would have to prove that future [14:38] <leakylurker> but the ministry makes false arrest in the past [14:38] <dumbleydore18> personally I don't think that Narcissa will ever be captured because of the influence that Lucius had on the Ministry, or else she would be kept safe by the Order [14:38] <Aislinn> we don't know exactly what she's done [14:38] <cke03> true fawke s [14:38] <futureweasley> maybe accessory after the fact [14:38] <leakylurker> do we know that she does not have the dark mark on her arm for sure [14:38] <Aislinn> She orchestrated Kreacher's betrayal of Sirius, or was involved in it [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> no, but you need a reason to arrest someone in a democracy [14:38] <Dreamteam> The Order is her best bet, [14:38] <princessmela> They only thing she can be accused of involvement in Sirius' murder [14:38] <cloudpic> Lucius himself is already in Azkaban, though (adjoining cells) [14:38] <Spectre> Is Wizarding World a democracy? [14:38] <cke03> aislann, for her husband only not for herself [14:38] <Aislinn> since she was the family member he went to when he left grimmauld place [14:39] *** LilyFlower has joined #lounge [14:39] <cloudpic> *cough* StanShunpike*cough* [14:39] <fawkes28> Lord Voldemort already hates Lucius for messing up, so I am sure she is not on his good list right now - just by association - i wouldnt be surprised if she doesn't make it to the end [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder sometimes Spectre [14:39] <Spectre> especially in the Second War years smile [14:39] <cke03> spectre, a little outdated i think some of it [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> The third side, the Order, may also find themselves with Narcissa. Dumbledore invited Draco to accept his protection and protection for his parents too. How would the various members of the Order handle a Malfoy protection program? How might the Malfoys respond? [14:39] <Aislinn> no, it's not [14:39] <JaneMarple9> (((all)))) real lefe intterupted there smile [14:39] <Dreamteam> I think Narcissa and Draco might now accept [14:39] <princessmela> Well even democratic nations do scary things sometimes [14:39] <Spectre> Narcissa would probably go to 12 Grimmauld Place [14:39] <LilyFlower> They might reject any help [14:39] * cloudpic welcomes Jane [14:39] <leakylurker> I think Lucious would be reluctant of the orders help, but Narcissa might accept if for Draco [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I sincerey hope this does not happen [14:40] <futureweasley> I don't think Narcissa would be inclined to accept their offer [14:40] <dumbleydore18> welcome Jane! (((hug))) [14:40] <princessmela> It's hard to say whether they are a democracy or not [14:40] <cloudpic> LOL... Welcome to Grimmauld Place dear Narcissa and Draco.. here's your room [14:40] <futureweasley> well, I hope they offer, because that's the right thing to do [14:40] <futureweasley> but I doubt that she will accept [14:40] <cke03> true [14:40] <fawkes28> the order definitely would have hid them - yes probably grimmauld place [14:40] <Spectre> How would Walburga's portrait react? biggrin [14:40] <cke03> they may be of use [14:40] <LilyFlower> I don't they would accept [14:40] <cloudpic> Sirius will be turning over behind the veil [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> what they need to do is lock them in a room with the Dursleys [14:40] <princessmela> Narcissa would probably be happy to be back in Grimmauld Place [14:40] <fawkes28> if she was scared enough she would accept, at least to keep her son safe - she would do whatever it took [14:40] <Dreamteam> I like that idea Sooner [14:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think Malfoy may feel awkward. He'd be contained and he'd hate that. i don't think fred and george wud trust them that much either [14:40] <princessmela> but the poor woman doesn't have her servant any longer [14:40] <cke03> maybe [14:40] <cloudpic> That's a wonderful idea, Sooner... [14:40] <JaneMarple9> too right cloud! [14:41] <shadow_onthesun> got to go, my daughter wants food. ive enjoyed chatting with you all. bye! [14:41] <dumbleydore18> I think that because DD mentioned hiding the Malfoys that the Order would take them in. The Order trusts DD so they would do what he said, even in death. [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> bye shadow [14:41] <LilyFlower> I don't think they are at Grimmauld Place anymore [14:41] <Dreamteam> bye shadow [14:41] <princessmela> Does the order trust DD anymore? [14:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye shadow! XXX [14:41] <cloudpic> I'd think the Order would be very suspicious of having any Malfoy under foot... they'd probably put them somewhere else [14:41] <dumbleydore18> The Order is there to protect and help people, any people, not to shun them away. [14:41] *** shadow_onthesun has quit [Bye] [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Asphodel Wormwood says, "...it is probable that Narcissa will live" as she is unlikely to be a part of a battle, and Bellatrix might speak up for her to the Dark Lord. Do you agree? Narcissa: live or die? For what reason? [14:41] <cloudpic> With a secret keeper, no? [14:41] <princessmela> I'm sure they have a new one cloudpic [14:41] <leakylurker> I think it would really help if we knew if Narcissa was a real Death Eater. If she is not, and she is involved just because of her husband, she might be more open to other's help. But if she is a DE, than she will have different ideas. [14:41] <LilyFlower> I don't Bellatrix would save her [14:42] <fawkes28> i think she will die - eventually fate is going to catch up with her [14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagee. I think there is a very good chance she will die [14:42] <futureweasley> I think she will likely go the way for Merope...broken hearted and lost her will to exist [14:42] <cloudpic> She doesn't seem to be leakylurker, she seems just to be on Voldie's side [14:42] <fawkes28> Bellatrix would save her own butt first - every single time [14:42] <Spectre> She would die trying to protect Draco [14:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> I don't know... i think it would be poetic justice if narcissa had to step in and destroy Bella somehow [14:42] <Dreamteam> I think it depends what happens to Draco [14:42] <cke03> see you later got to go had fun [14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I thnk Bella will be the one to kill Narcissa [14:42] <Spectre> Bella has many enemies... Harry (for Sirius), Neville (for his parents)... [14:42] <Dreamteam> she might die protecting him, or die of a broken heart if he dies [14:42] <dumbleydore18> I think Narcissa will live, to live in the wrath of Draco and Lucius's wrath. [14:43] <Aislinn> I think she will live, as she will not be directly involved in battles [14:43] <cloudpic> With a name like Narcissa, she may remember to put herself first? [14:43] <JaneMarple9> Bella's a marked woman! [14:43] <dumbleydore18> Kind of like someone having to suffer for other's sake. [14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I have had a theory that Draco is going to end up like Harry. An orphan [14:43] <cloudpic> In more ways than one, Jane... that Dark Mark probably is her pride and joy [14:43] *** cke03 has quit [Bye] [14:43] <princessmela> I think she loves her son more than she loves herself honestly [14:43] <LilyFlower> I don't think she will live, since I don't see how Draco will live [14:43] <Spectre> Lucius would die, do you mean that, Sooner? [14:43] <princessmela> Oh I just can't see Draco dying [14:43] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yep. Both of them [14:44] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:44] <cloudpic> I can't think of a reason for Narcissa to die, and JKR doesnt' seem to be the sort for wishing gratuitous deaths [14:44] <fawkes28> yes, i think both of them will die too [14:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> Draco's all front, he's a coward deep down - i think he might get a reprieve. [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> it wont be gratuitous though [14:44] <princessmela> I don't think her two deaths in this book will be Lucius and Draco..come on! [14:44] <Spectre> Lucius will die trying to escape from Azkaban? [14:44] <cloudpic> She hasn't done anything to deserve death... [14:45] <dumbleydore18> Hmm. I see Draco being punished and Lucius too, but Narcissa living in their pain. SOmeone has to suffer in that family, it might as well be her. [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> but there are going to be so many more than just 2 deaths [14:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thank you sooner - my thoughts precisely [14:45] <cloudpic> He wouldn't be able (Lucius) to escape alone... and if the Dark Lord helps him he'll be fine in escape [14:45] <princessmela> I would consider both Lucius and Draco to be major characters though [14:45] <princessmela> I mean I think she basically said two major deaths [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> rght. And Jo has already said that major character die [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> no [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> that is not what she said [14:45] <Spectre> Narcissa did one thing to deserve death from Voldemort - she tried to seek protection for Draco [14:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> I thnk the two deaths link to major events and main fights. [14:46] <Dreamteam> I don't know why but I think Lucius might die but not Draco [14:46] <Aislinn> I just don't see Narcissa being one of those [14:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> True Spectre! She talked about something she was forbade to speak of. [14:46] <fawkes28> i don't see her as a major character - so i would not include her in the two deaths [14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I do. I think it would be fitting for Draco to end up an orphan courtesy of Voldemort [14:46] <Aislinn> there will be more than 2, but they will likely be people caught up in a battle situation [14:46] <dumbleydore18> Jo said that "two characters that she hadn't initially planned to kill off, two loved ones" would die. [14:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes aislinn i agree [14:46] <princessmela> Hmmm [14:46] <princessmela> well who knows [14:47] <cloudpic> I'd forgotten that, you're right Spectre [14:47] <Spectre> I can see Lucius to receive a Dementor's kiss for some reason [14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Asphodel Wormwood contends that the Ministry is unlikely to release Lucius Malfoy from Azkaban. Can you imagine any scenarios in which Lucius might be legally released? Is he likely able to escape on his own from the prison? [14:47] <Dreamteam> Perhaps if he offerd info on LV? [14:47] <dumbleydore18> um, become an animagus? [14:47] <Aislinn> the Dementors aren't guarding it anymore, so I wonder how they are being guarded [14:47] *** princessmela has quit [Bye] [14:47] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [14:47] <fawkes28> maybe if he bribes the MoM - which is likely [14:47] <leakylurker> oh dreamteam, he could sell them out! [14:47] <cloudpic> Didn't some of the other Death Eaters "buy" their way out last time by naming names and turning over information [14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I thnk they might release him for Snape at the moment [14:48] <Aislinn> LV may try to break out his supporters [14:48] <fawkes28> i doubt lucius will be able to escape on his own nor do i think anyone will help him [14:48] <dumbleydore18> that's true Aislinn [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> if he went to them and told them he could get the goods on Snape, they might be willing to cut him a deal [14:48] <leakylurker> I think this is likely aislinn, since he needs the numbers [14:48] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [14:48] <Dreamteam> Yes, and as a good Slytherin he would do that [14:48] <cloudpic> Thing is, Lucius may be foul, but he's very very smart. He'd not cross Lord Voldemort openly [14:48] <LilyFlower> If he could esacape he would of already have dome it [14:48] <Aislinn> the team he had working for him for the tower scene was not exactly what I would call his "A" team [14:48] <Aislinn> He may want his inner circle back [14:48] <futureweasley> can I ask a question? [14:48] <cloudpic> He did all right though [14:48] <dumbleydore18> but it would be silly for LV to go to Azkaban to help the DEs out because for one, he's be caught and two he doesn't help anyone but himself. [14:49] <MafaldaWeasley> hello everybody! what's the question?] [14:49] <futureweasley> who's guarding Azkaban now? [14:49] <cloudpic> ??? future [14:49] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [14:49] <futureweasley> obviously not the dementors [14:49] <Spectre> Probably the wizard guards [14:49] <cloudpic> That's an excellent question [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> hiya [14:49] <cloudpic> Auror juniors? [14:49] <MafaldaWeasley> hello DD [14:49] <Aislinn> the only thing that makes sense is some type of wizard guard unit [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Clearly the Dark Lord is capable of freeing any or all of his Death Eaters held in Azkaban. But Voldemort doesn't seem to need them so far, so why might he free Lucius in particular? What abilities, wizarding and otherwise does Lucius have? [14:49] <MafaldaWeasley> I believe sme expirient aurors [14:49] <Spectre> Who guarded Azkaban during the first Voldemort war, or before that? [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> he's got a silver tongue [14:50] <Dreamteam> Well its suspected that he has things in his mansion still, could some of them be of use to LV? [14:50] <cloudpic> I don't think we were ever told, Spectre [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> and likely a knack for blackmail [14:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he would free him just to cause terror among the wizards [14:50] <Aislinn> It seemed during the graveyard scene, that LV considered Lucius one of his right hand men [14:50] <Spectre> Lucius has a lot of useful connections, and is a very skilled wizard [14:50] <dumbleydore18> Lucius has connections, threatening connections. He is also very very very good at persuasion. [14:50] <Spectre> one of the most skilled DEs [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> I'm also thinking he's probably quite a good Imperius-er [14:50] <cloudpic> Lucius is very good at manipulating... and he probably knows things [14:50] <fawkes28> yes, debbie - he is quite good at blackmailing [14:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree DD [14:50] *** LilyFlower left #lounge [] [14:50] <futureweasley> he's got great hair? [14:50] <Aislinn> yes, debbie [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Seriously, Lucius is probably the best he has [14:50] <fawkes28> he is good at getting his way with people [14:50] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, DD... that would be something he'd like [14:51] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe future [14:51] <Dreamteam> LOL future [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and there is the hair laugh [14:51] <Aislinn> he certainly imperiused several people effectively in OotP [14:51] <MafaldaWeasley> and maybe Lucius knows too much as well [14:51] <cloudpic> He wouldn't even need it though... he manipulates well with his charm and his money [14:51] <futureweasley> yes cloudpic [14:51] <Spectre> Does he still have those money after incarceration? [14:51] <Dreamteam> Yes, Mafalda he might spring him to stop him talking to the Ministry [14:51] <futureweasley> he's quite influential that way [14:51] <cloudpic> Maybe Lord Voldemort would like some of that Malfoy wealth? [14:51] <Spectre> Weren't his possessions confiscated? [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how Lucius is considered by many to be his right hand man, yet denied any association with Voldemort for all of those years [14:52] <futureweasley> some were, yes Spectre [14:52] <futureweasley> but I think only those things that were possibly "dark" [14:52] <Spectre> so no Griggotts vault confiscation? Sad smile [14:52] <Spectre> Gringotts [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> lol Spectre [14:52] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that he might have informations that he doesn't even suspect he has. like memories that can show to others things of LV [14:52] <Aislinn> self protection sooner [14:52] <cloudpic> If I were the great evil Power... I'd want smart but slippery types rather than dumb thugs for some things [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> yes cp, for sure [14:53] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, and it seemed LV did too [14:53] <Spectre> If you have too many smart and slippery types, they'd eventually overthrow you [14:53] <cloudpic> I think Voldie figures he can control or "read" his followers pretty well though [14:53] <cloudpic> Voldemort didn't even [14:53] <Dreamteam> He's also vain enough to believe they will always be true to him [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Overall, I think it is highly likely that we will see Lucius get busted out of jail [14:54] <cloudpic> "Punish" Malfoy last time [14:54] <Spectre> Would we see Voldemort actually taking over Azkaban? [14:54] <DumbleDebbie> that would make Jason Isaacs happy Sooner [14:54] <cloudpic> True, Dreamteam... and Malfoy is good at "selling" himself and his loyalty [14:54] <dumbleydore18> well guys i'm leaving for Spidey 3, talk to you next weekend! [14:54] <Aislinn> enjoy [14:54] <leakylurker> bye dd [14:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye dumbley [14:54] <dumbleydore18> toodles! [14:54] <fawkes28> it would be boring if lucius stayed in jail [14:54] <MafaldaWeasley> bye D18, have fun [14:54] <Spectre> bye dumbleydore [14:54] <dumbleydore18> (((hugs))) all around! [14:55] <cloudpic> I think Voldemort will release his supporters from Azkaban, simply because he can. [14:55] *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> A/W contends that the Dark Lord "is attracted to the school and its magic in an unhealthy fashion, and so it is more than probable that the final battle will be staged there…." Why is the school a place that has such appeal to Lord Voldemort? What might compel Voldemort to return to Hogwarts? [14:55] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, cloudpic. I agree. I think he would like to show he can [14:55] <Dreamteam> I don't think he'll take over Azkaban, just kills his enemies [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> even an evil overlord needs a place to call home :P [14:55] <futureweasley> it's the only place he's ever truly called home...right Debbie [14:55] <Spectre> He considered Hogwarts his only true home [14:55] <Dreamteam> The magic of the Founders and its history [14:56] <cloudpic> He may want Azkaban for his own purposes... a place his dementor friends can play with his captives? [14:56] <futureweasley> that too, Dreamteam [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I am still on the fence about that [14:56] <Aislinn> right, spectre [14:56] <Spectre> And also... the possible control over youth education - more evil variation of Umbridge biggrin [14:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> Theres a supply of young and impressionable minds to indoctrinate?? stab in the dark here ;):D [14:56] <Aislinn> I think it is a combination of all of those things [14:56] <Dreamteam> Yes, I think that would appeal to him Spectre [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> because Hogwarts is the basic foundation of the Wizaeding society. It's where the kids get formed intectually and where it all begun. I mean, is the place that most of the wizards can relate to [14:56] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [14:56] <cloudpic> It was the place that was under the control of the only wizard LV feared... and Dumbledore didn't let him in [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> Azkaban - the Dementors playpen [14:57] <futureweasley> I think, too, that he considers Hogwarts is oldest "accomplice", as we know that LV doesn't have "friends" [14:57] <Spectre> I don't think Voldemort would think about so mundane things as education, though smile [14:57] <leakylurker> hi expie [14:57] <Spectre> hello Expie [14:57] <futureweasley> hi Expie [14:57] <Expelliarmas> hola, peeps [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> hola Expie [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> hi expie [14:57] <cloudpic> That's a good point Mafalda... he could influence the children [14:57] <fawkes28> it is the only thing that Lord Voldemort has felt some sense of feeling towards something - which i think in his case is a weakness, which I think will be played upon [14:57] <Dreamteam> Hi expie [14:57] <Aislinn> not education, but getting the youth under his control would be a powerful tool for future little DE's [14:57] <MafaldaWeasley> don't you think? then why he bothered the muggleblood to study there? I think he cares alot about who goes to hogwarts [14:58] <MafaldaWeasley> and what they can çearn there as Aislinn pointed [14:58] <MafaldaWeasley> :) [14:58] <Spectre> Make Hogwarts into a more wicked version of Durmstrang? [14:58] <Dreamteam> Yes, all but purebloods would be thrown out or die [14:58] <MafaldaWeasley> learn [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> all those young, impressionable minds. it would be like a feast for Voldy [14:58] <cloudpic> Can you imagine Filch and Mrs. Norris? They wouldn't know whether to be terrified or delighted [14:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> LOL cloudpic [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Why would a return to Hogwarts by Lord Voldemort's require the help of the likes of Lucius Malfoy? How would aid of Lucius' sort be different from, say, Crabb and Goyle Sr's aid? or Bella's? [14:58] <Dreamteam> Filch would be delighted [14:58] <Dreamteam> bring out the chains [14:58] <futureweasley> I think he also has some twisted sense of ownership of Hogwarts, as it is 1/4 of something his ancestor built [14:59] <Spectre> Voldy would personally teach Filch Crucio smile) [14:59] <MafaldaWeasley> yes future, as an heritage [14:59] <Expelliarmas> Well, Lucius has brains, you see. As opposed to Crabbe and Goyle who do not [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> Crabb and/or Goyle likely couldn't find the front door without help [14:59] <cloudpic> Lucius could influence his "friends" into keeping their children in the school? [14:59] <Aislinn> I think that LV would have to enlist a lot of help - the school has a lot of protections on it, and there are a group of teachers that would not just lay down and let him take over [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant see Voldemort keeping a squib around [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> Bella lacks nuance [14:59] <Expelliarmas> Bella is clinically insane, I don't see her as being helpful [14:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lucius is smooth and already operated in the academic and diplomatic circles as governor and fudge's bum-buddy [14:59] <cloudpic> No, guess not, Sooner [14:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> LOL Expie [15:00] <cloudpic> But even a mad dog can be useful if you don't mind how it kills [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Its his contacts with the MoM. All of the governors [15:00] <cloudpic> or who [15:00] <DumbleDebbie> Lucius could sway the board of governors, he's done it before [15:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> True aislinn - i'd like to see mcgonagall especially lay down n let him take over!! [15:00] <Expelliarmas> The nut, however, is of limited use. The brains of the outfit would be Lucius [15:00] <Aislinn> right PPO [15:00] <cloudpic> I think so... but didn't Lucius threaten them before? Of course, that'd be even more effective with Voldie back [15:00] <Spectre> Voldemort as Headmaster of Hogwarts... and Lucius the Minister of Magic. Quite a picture... This post has been edited by futureweasley: May 6 2007, 04:46 PM |
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[15:00] <leakylurker> I feel like if there is a full out war, there will be no need for governors or influence, they will just storm in and take over
[15:00] <leakylurker> like a coup [15:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> Ahhh the possibillites *imagines her throwing a paddy* [15:01] <MafaldaWeasley> Well, since now he's a DE for real, before people didn't believe he was a DE, i think his influence on the board will be vey small. I think that Lucius is, thought, a very good wizard. [15:01] <DumbleDebbie> Actually I could see Voldy getting control of the school via Lucius worming his way into the headmaster position [15:01] <cloudpic> Yes, if there are several "fronts" even Voldemort would need intelligent henchmen for different things [15:01] <fawkes28> exactly, leakylourker [15:01] <JaneMarple9> who throws a paddy? [15:01] <Spectre> And then Lucius floos to the Prime Minister's office and imperiuses him [15:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> True leaky - its not like Voldie wouldnt try and take it by force and one quick swoop [15:01] <JaneMarple9> Bella? [15:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> Mcgonagall biggrin [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> At one time, Lucius was in the Dark Lord's "inner circle." Was Malfoy's Death Eater membership a recruitment or did Lucius seek out Voldemort? Who likely had the greater benefit of this alliance? [15:02] <JaneMarple9> ah she's good at paddies! [15:02] <DumbleDebbie> birds of a feather flock together ;) [15:02] <JaneMarple9> especailly when Umbridge is around [15:02] <Expelliarmas> Lucius went to LV. He did not have to be recruited. [15:02] <Spectre> Lucius was one of the "DE-generation" in Hogwarts [15:02] <MafaldaWeasley> We saw that Lucius probably beelongs to a family of lunatics as Sirius did. I think he went after LV [15:02] <cloudpic> I really wonder about this one... [15:02] <leakylurker> i'm thinking a lot in the inner circle were intrigued by the pure-blood propoganda at first, and tehn were it to the end as things escalated [15:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes my thoughts exactly jane - i love her i'd bet money on her she's that good ;):P [15:02] <Dreamteam> Malfoy was probably always interested in the Dark Arts so I think sought out LV [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie. They ran with the same crowd [15:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely leaky [15:02] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Malfoy got much for being a DE though [15:03] <Spectre> How they actially seek out Voldemort? Did Voldemort actually place adverts? [15:03] <Aislinn> I agree that he willingly joined the DE [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> he got a lovely tatoo :P [15:03] <Expelliarmas> LV got the benefit of that bargain [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Any man who intentionally marries into the Black family is prime DE material [15:03] <leakylurker> yes, i bet malfoy was prestigious and powerful before LV [15:03] <cloudpic> But the Malfoy pride ... it doesn't fit with the follower mode of the early days [15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> well, he must have reached him through Bella, since she studieed with LV [15:03] <cloudpic> That crawling on knees to the Dark Lord wouldn't come easy to a Malfoy [15:03] <Expelliarmas> most of the DEs, however, have a certain arrogance. they already think they're better than anyone else [15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Expie [15:03] <Spectre> at what point did Voldemort teach Bella? [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> I can see Voldy fueling Lucius' pride by putting him in an oversight position over a gruop of DEs [15:04] <leakylurker> yes cloudpic,that is why I think he was there from the beginning, before the "Crawling" [15:04] <Dreamteam> No I think he went with an offer of being able to influence the Ministry [15:04] <cloudpic> Oh, I think it was willing, but I'm beting he had to be recruited [15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> she went to school with her [15:04] <Expelliarmas> could be, Dreamteam [15:04] <Aislinn> I think he would have been attracted to LV's message of pure blood superiority, just as the Black parents were [15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> with him [15:04] <Spectre> Probably after Bella finished Hogwarts in around 1969 [15:04] <cloudpic> That's a good point, Leakylurker.... the early days, yeah. [15:04] <Aislinn> and would support someone who was pushing that agenda [15:04] <cloudpic> Certainly it plays to Lucius's prejudices and love of power [15:04] <leakylurker> yes, aislinn, like the black family [15:05] <Aislinn> right [15:05] <Expelliarmas> "toujours pur" for the black family motto. I can imagine the Malfoys have something similar [15:05] <Dreamteam> I think Lucius would have seen himself as LV's equal and proposed some sort of partnership [15:05] <MafaldaWeasley> Bella is older then Narcissa and Slughorn showed her in school with voldie, am I incorrect? [15:05] <cloudpic> It must secretly grate on Lucius though, to not have the same level of power as the Master [15:05] <fawkes28> i am sure they do, expie [15:05] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Expie. It's very likely [15:05] <Aislinn> bella is way younger than LV [15:05] <Spectre> Bella was born in 1951, and Voldemort finished the school in 1945 [15:05] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [15:06] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> If freed by his Master, how might that indebtedness affect Lucius? His family? As Asphodel Wormwood ponders, "What more could an arch villain want?" What sort of gratitude might Voldemort expect? [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> "toujour bullies" [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> He would show just enough gratitude to appease LV and then go on about his plans [15:06] <cloudpic> Indebtedness wouldn't be comfortable on Lucius [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Voldy would expect him to sacrifice his first born [15:06] <Spectre> If Lucius gets freed by Voldemort, and then Voldemort is defeated, then REALLY nothing can be done to save his reputation [15:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> murder his son for failing to kill dd? Sends chills down my spine. [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> oh wait, been there, done that [15:06] <fawkes28> i doubt lucius is going to be thanking him on his hands and knees - that is just not how Lucius rolls [15:06] <Aislinn> he already expected that smile [15:07] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:07] <cloudpic> Oh, dear, DumbleDebbie... that almost sounds [15:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi ph63915 [15:07] <Expelliarmas> Freed from LV in what way? From being in LV's dog house? I think Lucius may be glad to stay in Azkaban a bit longer [15:07] <cloudpic> LOL [15:07] <cloudpic> It means freed from Azkaban [15:07] <Dreamteam> Lucius is talented, wealthy and articulate, I think all of that woudl appeal to LV, not sure that Lucius would welcome LV though [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> it really would be in his best interest Expie [15:07] <DumbleDebbie> Lucius is in a bad place no matter where he physically is [15:07] <cloudpic> Sorry. [15:07] <Spectre> Voldemort would ask a lot of question to Lucius - especially about the failed Prophecy operation [15:07] <Expelliarmas> I think Lucius may now be wondering how to get away from LV by now. [15:08] <fawkes28> I am sure Voldemort would still make him pay for causing problems - he always makes people pay [15:08] <Expelliarmas> the best thing for Lucius is to fake his own death [15:08] <Spectre> So now Voldemort has something against all three Malfoys [15:08] <Dreamteam> Yes Expie I don't think he would want to be too close to him [15:08] <cloudpic> But if Lucius were not in Azkaban... what could he do if not continue to follow LV? [15:08] <leakylurker> Malfoy could help harry, that would dave his butt in the end [15:08] <cloudpic> He certainly can't turn to the Order, can he? [15:08] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he's got some Draught stashed away for a rainy day [15:09] <Expelliarmas> He would have to fake hiw own death and ask the Order for help [15:09] <leakylurker> save, sorry [15:09] <Dreamteam> Take Polyjuice potion for the rest of his life and start a new life [15:09] <cloudpic> LOL [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> On the other hand, Draco believed Voldemort would "kill my whole family." Does Lucius have the wizarding talent, powers of persuasion, or charm to avoid such retribution? Have we heard of or seen an occasion when Lord Voldemort might have reserved judgment? Or of Lucius' ability to avoid the judgment of others? [15:09] <Spectre> If Lucius weren't in Azkaban, he'd have been already questioned by LV and sent out to kill Dumbledore instead of Draco [15:09] <Aislinn> yes, in the graveyard [15:09] <cloudpic> I remember how LV went after Karkarov... or sent his DE's after him [15:09] <Expelliarmas> No, if LV wants you dead, you are [15:09] <Spectre> Hm... Is Lucius any good at Occlumency? [15:09] <cloudpic> I can't think Lucius would be safe [15:10] <DumbleDebbie> If Voldy feels he can be of use, he lives. if not.... [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think LV could loose any more members back then. But know things might be different [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I think if anyone could pull it off, it would be Lucius [15:10] <Aislinn> LV crucio'd the guy who cried for forgiveness, but just told Lucius he needed to be more loyal in future [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> you dont get to be where he is in life by being a dolt [15:10] <leakylurker> Good point aislinn, maybe they have a different relationship [15:10] <cloudpic> Lord Voldemort believed at least one of his DE's who plead loyalty when it was questioned... and he doesn't have as nice a hairstyle as Lucius [15:11] <fawkes28> Lucius is a slippery ol' fellow - i bet he could persuade him - for a bit at least [15:11] <Expelliarmas> and yet, LV extracted punishment by having Draco take the job of killing DD [15:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Expie. [15:11] <cloudpic> Lucius strikes me as able to be persuasive as Snape anyway [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> for some reason, I think LV might consider that as punishement enough. Lucius might actually not have to do any more [15:11] <DumbleDebbie> yes Expie, having your son sent on a suicide mission is a worse punishment than a little crucio [15:12] <Dreamteam> Depends whether he can persuade LV that he has no bad feelings about LVs treatment of Draco [15:12] <fawkes28> yup - he may succed for a little bit - but i have a feeling he will screw up again [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> he may be, Cp. [15:12] <Expelliarmas> Yes, but Draco was not the one who killed DD. I don't think the debt is paid. [15:12] <Spectre> hm... if Lucius loses Draco and Narcissa, it would mean that his family would actually die out [15:12] <cloudpic> Was that punishment or was it LV showing off his power? Sometimes I wonder about LV's common sense [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think it matters Expie. The attempt was made, Draco survived [15:12] <Dreamteam> LV doesn't have any common sense [15:12] <Dreamteam> He also has memory problems [15:12] <Dreamteam> Forgets old magic [15:12] <cloudpic> I don't know that LV really expected Draco to kill Dumbledore... just wanted him to try. It may be that getting the DE's into Hogwarts was more important [15:12] <fawkes28> lol dreamteam - very true [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> Or maybe LV considered he was giving Lucius an honor...Bella said it was an honor, so maybe is the way LV sees it. [15:13] <Spectre> but, maybe it's just the way Bella sees it [15:13] <Expelliarmas> Yes, but Bella is a few sandwiches short of a picnic, so I dont set a lot of store by what she says [15:13] <Dreamteam> yes, Narcissa didn't see it that way [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [15:13] <cloudpic> Could be Mafalda... he does have a warped way of looking at things himself [15:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:14] *** shadow_onthesun has joined #lounge [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi shadow [15:14] <shadow_onthesun> im back smile [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Asphodel Wormwood seems to believe that Lucius is capable of surviving most of the dangers that might confront him in the final book, but if summoned by his Master, he could be dead with "one flick of a wand." Lucius: live or die? [15:14] <shadow_onthesun> hi dumble [15:14] *** janieb has joined #lounge [15:14] <fawkes28> i think he will die [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi janieb [15:14] <Expelliarmas> heya janieb [15:14] <Spectre> Die [15:14] <futureweasley> I have to say I think that Lucius is a die [15:14] <Dreamteam> I think he will die [15:14] <janieb> hello everyone! [15:14] <leakylurker> hi janieb [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe Lv was putting the Malfoys above all the rest by givn them the permition of having a kid with them fighting.I don't know LV started his insanity very young.. [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> die [15:14] <Spectre> hi janieb [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> die [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he dies [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> but he will look pretty doing it [15:14] <Expelliarmas> Lucius kicks the bucket. That will shake up Draco who may change his ways. [15:15] <DumbleDebbie> lol [15:15] <shadow_onthesun> I think he might die, he's useless now his in jail, and killing lucius could be dracos punishment [15:15] <leakylurker> maybe he will stay in prison and remain in prison [15:15] <Dreamteam> Doesn't look as though the Paris Hilton wig has a future [15:15] <leakylurker> i don't know if there will be time to follow what Lucious is up to [15:15] <leakylurker> draco is more of the focus i think [15:15] <Spectre> Draco will live though, and marry some pure-blood girl to keep the Malfoy family line smile [15:15] <fawkes28> lucius has had plenty of chances and i think he will just run out [15:16] <DumbleDebbie> perish the thought Spectre [15:16] <Expelliarmas> I think Draco is the key as well. Some Slytherin has to be left to unify the houses [15:16] <Dreamteam> It could be just a one-liner "Lucius was found dead in Azkaban" [15:16] *** kadi has joined #lounge [15:16] <Spectre> A line in the Epilogue? [15:16] <Dreamteam> I think Draco will live and be redeemed [15:16] <DumbleDebbie> hi kadi [15:16] <shadow_onthesun> i dont think there'd be a big scene about it either dream [15:16] <JaneMarple9> yay dreamteam!! [15:16] <leakylurker> right, dreamteam, i think we will hear about Lucius from another source [15:16] <Aislinn> hey kadi [15:16] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he's most liekly to lose both of his parents [15:16] <fawkes28> hi kadi smile [15:17] <JaneMarple9> that what i want to read! [15:17] <Dreamteam> yay! Jane [15:17] <kadi> hello all smile [15:17] <Spectre> hi kadi [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> What are your theories of Draco's immediate situation… is he, as Asphodel Wormwood presumes, "on the run…with Snape"? [15:17] <Spectre> He's with Snape smile [15:17] <Expelliarmas> no, if Lucius buys the farm, I want details [15:17] <Aislinn> for the short term, yes he is [15:17] <kadi> i'm likely in the minority but i feel i must represent my house! [15:17] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, I believe so [15:17] <Spectre> Would Snape tell him about the Vow? [15:17] <futureweasley> Draco will try to shake snape off [15:17] <Expelliarmas> Draco is at Spinner's End serving drinks [15:17] <leakylurker> I thin k defintely, they need to hide, even if Snape is good, they need to pause and think of a plab [15:17] <shadow_onthesun> i think that's most likely [15:17] <Dreamteam> I think he will be with Snape at the beginning of the book [15:17] <DumbleDebbie> lol expie [15:17] <leakylurker> plan [15:17] <fawkes28> oh, i am sure he is running - he is fearing voldemort big time because he failed to do it [15:18] <futureweasley> I think that Snape would cramp Draco's style [15:18] <kadi> i don't think snape is on the run [15:18] <Expelliarmas> No, I think he and Snape are actually with LV in Little Hangleton kicking back at the manor [15:18] <futureweasley> plus, I think he's likely going to try and bust his daddy out of Azkaban [15:18] <Expelliarmas> They are not on the run [15:18] <kadi> but i do think snape may help draco go into hiding [15:18] <Dreamteam> Draco's probably scared stiff right now and realises that he needs Snape [15:18] <Spectre> Snape would bring Draco to Voldemort and tell Voldemort that the mission is complete smile [15:18] <Expelliarmas> LV would be thrilled DD is dead and would welcome them both back [15:18] <kadi> new color so as to not be confused with expie smile [15:19] <leakylurker> I think that Draco will do whatever Snape says, since he just saved his bum [15:19] <futureweasley> I see Draco as too conceited to realize that, Dreamteam [15:19] <futureweasley> or too arrogant [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> somehow I dont think they are on the beach sipping margaritas [15:19] <futureweasley> some combo of both [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> he is with snape, where he is is another thing, but he is with snape [15:19] <Expelliarmas> no, I think Draco was shaken by the murder [15:19] <DumbleDebbie> It seems it would irk Snape greatly if he had to babysit that sychophantic little brat [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe future, nop,not really [15:19] <leakylurker> they are both too pale for the beach! [15:19] <Dreamteam> he was future but I think before he left the tower he was scared [15:19] * Expelliarmas did not spot either DE in Miami Beach [15:20] <futureweasley> he had no problem leaving Snape to deal with Harry in the forest at the end of HBP [15:20] <Dreamteam> too scared to face Harry [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Thus far the Malfoy males haven't had the opportunity to be in action together, a scenario Asphodel Wormwood comments would be "quite formidable." What would you expect from this father and son if they were working side by side in the Dark Lord's service? Would they? Could they? Should they? [15:20] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he had other things in mind then Harry [15:20] <Dreamteam> he was a coward when faced with detention in the forest [15:20] <Spectre> Would he attack Harry if he had the chance? [15:20] <Dreamteam> he'd try [15:21] <Expelliarmas> They've already worked together. Where do you think Draco got his info from? Who do you think was feeding info back to Lucius? [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> they could. Lucius doesn't seem to think much of Draco's skills, so I don't see him trusting him to do a job well [15:21] <Dreamteam> I just can't see them working side by side [15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they could. [15:21] <fawkes28> perhaps it will come to that but i dont know which side Draco will swing too [15:21] <futureweasley> let's hope not. I think the consequences of such could be explosive [15:21] <cloudpic> I'd love to see the Malfoy boys shoulder to shoulder in battle [15:21] <Spectre> I can't see Lucius and Draco working together in a fight. Lucius doesn't think too much about Draco... [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [15:21] * cloudpic has an unhealthy sense of fun [15:22] <kadi> i think at the end of the day lucius would protect draco and wouldn't allow him to get in harm's way [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that what Draco's wants most is to please his father and make him proud. I can see him doing anything for Lucius, or to get Lucius respect [15:22] <Aislinn> that's true, expie - lucius has been feeding draco information since we first met him [15:22] <Expelliarmas> I disagree, Lucius has trained Draco very carefully. He sees Draco as his legacy. [15:22] <kadi> or wouldn't consider him equal enough to fight along side him [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Expie [15:22] <fawkes28> i disagree, kadi - i think that lucius may want to save his own tail rather than his son's [15:22] <Dreamteam> Lucius doesn't seem to have a high enough opinion of Draco's abilities [15:22] <kadi> i don't think lucius intended draco to every follow voldy [15:23] <Expelliarmas> I don't think so either, kadi. I think he wanted more for Draco. [15:23] <kadi> oh, fawkes, you really think so? [15:23] <cloudpic> Perhaps if they were to spend some time together without Lucius usual distractions he could teach Draco a thing or two [15:23] <kadi> he does love his son [15:24] <kadi> even if he's not so good with the morality thing biggrin [15:24] <fawkes28> yes, i do - i think he is selfish but also wants to get far in life - i think he cares more about power than his son [15:24] <kadi> psh [15:24] <kadi> he's not voldy! [15:24] <fawkes28> oh, i agree he loves him but if it came down to it - i dont know if he would [15:24] *** shadow_onthesun has quit [Bye] [15:24] <kadi> what about narcissa though? [15:24] <kadi> do you think she would? [15:24] <janieb> I think Snape might help Narcissa and Draco free Lucius-- [15:24] <Dreamteam> I don't think he has the warmth needed to protect Draco [15:24] <fawkes28> she would, she has already shown her love [15:25] <Expelliarmas> I can't see Snape helping anyone but himself [15:25] <cloudpic> Draco wasn't a complete dolt in school though...he was a leader of sorts [15:25] <futureweasley> agreed Expie [15:25] <fawkes28> Narcissa and Lucius are different people [15:25] <kadi> and she's shown the same love towards lucius [15:25] <Spectre> Even if Lucius is concerned with his power, he probably understands that life isn't endless, and he'll need someone to inherit this power [15:25] <kadi> you don't think they are a happy little evile family? [15:25] <kadi> that love and protect one another [15:25] <futureweasley> lol kadi [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> If Lucius were freed to do the Dark Lord's bidding wouldn't the younger weaker Malfoy be expendable? Why wouldn't Voldie kill Draco simply as an example to others and/ or a punishment to Lucius? Would Tom Riddle leave another pure-blood family with no heir? [15:25] <fawkes28> oh they are evile alright wink [15:25] <kadi> we know narcissa is not a de [15:25] <futureweasley> we do? [15:25] <futureweasley> that's canon? [15:25] <DumbleDebbie> again Draco will live only if he has some use to Voldy [15:26] <Expelliarmas> I think the jury is still out on whether narcissa is a DE [15:26] <cloudpic> She would have been at Lucius's side in the graveyard, no? [15:26] <Aislinn> I don't think he cares about whether Lucius has an heir or not [15:26] <Aislinn> it's all about LV for LV [15:26] <Dreamteam> Agreed Aislinn [15:26] <Expelliarmas> LV is about LV first and foremost. If he wants to make a point by killing Draco, then he does. [15:26] <cloudpic> I don't think Narcissa has the courage [15:26] <fawkes28> oh he doesn't care about an heir at all - he cares about punishing people [15:26] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that LV wouldn't kill Draco. The pure bloods are disappearing. I really doubt he would kill Draco [15:26] <Spectre> I think he doesn't even care about the pure-blood and stuff [15:26] <Dreamteam> Can't imagine LV caring about someone else's family [15:26] <kadi> i think him having draco do his bidding was his own sick attempt at humor and justice for malfoy's failure at the ministry [15:26] <DumbleDebbie> he killed Regulus [15:26] <futureweasley> I think LV might just be cruel enough to ask Lucius to harm Draco in some way. That could be why LV hasn't taken Draco out yet [15:27] <DumbleDebbie> or had him killed [15:27] <cloudpic> But the "pure blood" gene pool is drying up [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> Regulus betrayed him [15:27] <Spectre> Regulus wasn't the heir of Blacks, Sirius was [15:27] <fawkes28> oh, future - i like that idea [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> yes CP,exactly my thoughts [15:27] <DumbleDebbie> good idea, future. use the kid to control the parents [15:27] <Dreamteam> I don't think LV cares about the 'pureblood' gene pool, just about himself and his own power [15:27] <Expelliarmas> The word "caring" is not in LV's vocabulary. He has no human feelings for anyone. He's never made that human connection [15:28] <cloudpic> Although... we do have than infamous "kill the spare" remark (what's one extra Malfoy good for) [15:28] <Aislinn> nor is he often all that logical [15:28] <kadi> the whole pure blood thing was probably just a propagandist strategy to get old powerful rich families to support him in his rising years [15:28] <Spectre> Voldemort did end the Gaunt family though, when he framed his uncle Morfin [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> Regulus was the heir, since Sirius was no longer able because his mother took him off the carpet hehehe [15:28] <cloudpic> Yes, Aislinn, another reason he could use Lucius's help [15:28] <kadi> voldy likes to feel like he belongs i think so he adopted the creedo of purebloods from salazar [15:28] <Expelliarmas> technicall, though, Spectre, the Gaunt family has not yet ended. *shudder* [15:28] <futureweasley> I agree with that, kadi. I think that he knew where the money was, and who was likely responsible for drying up his family's fortune [15:28] <Spectre> but it's no longer a pureblood family [15:29] <cloudpic> Or perhaps he just uses the pureblood bigotry to his advantage in gathering followers [15:29] <kadi> yep, yep [15:29] <kadi> i think so [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> A/W contends that Draco isn't likely to be killed, as it would send the wrong message, that Rowling wouldn't do that. A/W doesn't dispute Draco's failings, but reminds us of Dumbledore's invitation, "Come over to the right side, Draco…" Do you agree that Draco's death sends the wrong message? What are his crimes? What punishment should be his? [15:29] <DumbleDebbie> yes, cp. he fed on something evil lurking w/in a great # of wizards [15:29] <kadi> very much like the nazi's used the arian thing [15:29] <futureweasley> you have to instill fear to lead by fear. LV is a master at creating discord [15:29] <janieb> interesting future--he gets revenge and servitude from the purebloods at the same time [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry [15:29] <futureweasley> it's ok, moving on... smile [15:29] <Spectre> Ironically, the Malfoys DO look "aryan" smile [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> "Draco is not going to be with his friends for the next year at school. No father, distance from his mother, no girlfriend or thuggish bodyguards…What will it mean for him?" [15:30] <Expelliarmas> His crime is weakness; but that shouldn't be punishable by death (unless you're Peter that is) [15:30] <kadi> draco is a product of his environment [15:30] <fawkes28> He is going to learn what it is like to be his own person - he is always surrounded by someone [15:30] <DumbleDebbie> a bully with no posse [15:30] <Dreamteam> Having to make his own decisions and look after himself, won't be easy fo rhim [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> We will finally see what is the connection between Snape and the Malfoys. We will see why Draco suddenly lost respect for Snape [15:30] <fawkes28> it will either make him or break him [15:30] <Spectre> He's surrounded by Snape currently smile [15:30] <futureweasley> there will be people left behind to avenge Draco's disappearance. Hogwarts won't be safe, either [15:30] <Aislinn> yes he is kadi, but he is also now an adult, and needs to start figuring out what that means [15:30] <Expelliarmas> he'll get new followers of his own [15:30] <cloudpic> Exactly DumbleDebbie... he'll be lost [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> he'll likely get a taste of his own medicine [15:31] <cloudpic> Jeez..I'm feeling sorry for the boy! [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> oh no cp! ;) [15:31] <Spectre> Would Snape offer him the Order's protection if he's still loyal? [15:31] <leakylurker> i always feel sorry for draco [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> i think this interaction between Snape and Draco will be very nice to see [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> he's earned it [15:31] <fawkes28> nah, i will not feel sorry for him - he makes his own choices [15:31] <kadi> no way! [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> the medicine, not the pity [15:32] <Dreamteam> not sorry for him [15:32] <Expelliarmas> no, I can't throw Draco a pity party [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> coughsnapeisbadcough [15:32] <kadi> he would only do it if he had to keep the vow he made [15:32] <cloudpic> The Order, surely, would stand by Dumbledore's offer of protection, though [15:32] * DumbleDebbie hands Mafalda a cough drop [15:32] <kadi> and is snape even in the order now? [15:32] <Dreamteam> Will Snape be able to offer the Order's protection though [15:32] <cloudpic> And Harry heard that offer too [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> haha txs Debbie [15:32] <leakylurker> even id snape is good, I think he would try to help draco [15:32] <futureweasley> Draco is truly paying for the sins of the father [15:32] <fawkes28> Draco could have taken Dumbledore's offer but he didn't he hesitated too long [15:32] <futureweasley> though he has made some bad choices himself, I tend to feel that he is redeemable [15:32] <Expelliarmas> if Draco needs protection, he will have to get it through Harry [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> If Snape is on the good side (bear with us here), he may try to put Draco into hiding with the Order. (Dumbledore did offer!) Although Snape might not expect any such help for himself, he may appeal to them for Draco's safety. Would the Order consider this? Where? How? With whom? How well would this work? [15:32] <Spectre> but why did Draco agree to become a DE in the first place? [15:32] <cloudpic> If not Snape (who could too be good) then Harry could offer safety... it'd be a big step for Harry to forgive Draco [15:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he still is future [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> I see that as well Expie, otherwise he's stuck with the git [15:33] <fawkes28> i don't think is going to be appealing to the order anytime soon [15:33] <kadi> i don't think so [15:33] <Spectre> and was he really a DE, with a Dark Mark and stuff? [15:33] <cloudpic> Couldn't they just place Draco back at Hogwarts for safe keeping? [15:33] <Expelliarmas> Mercy will have to come through Harry. Not Snape. Not the Order. [15:33] <DumbleDebbie> Wouldn't doing that put Sanpe in an awkward spot with Voldy? [15:33] <Dreamteam> Yes, I think they would offer protection to anyone who genuinely wans it [15:33] <kadi> agreed expie! [15:33] <leakylurker> i thing the order, especially McGonnagal would try to help draco [15:33] <leakylurker> think [15:33] <Aislinn> it would be really hard for Snape to get them to listen to him long enough to ask [15:34] <futureweasley> agreed Aislinn [15:34] <janieb> Could DD have left info to help the Order understand if Snape killed him at his request? [15:34] <fawkes28> i think it was important that Harry witnessed it because he may feel some sorrow and may ask the order to hide him [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> They could not place Draco at HOgwarts, or the MoM would want custody of him [15:34] <cloudpic> yes, and McGonagall's at Hogwarts... [15:34] <Expelliarmas> it would have to come through Harry. He was on the tower and saw DD's offer. [15:34] <DumbleDebbie> I think they'd be reluctant as he may be seen as a plant [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> Aww, if somebody accepted it it would have to be Minerva, but I find hard for her to just let go, especially if Snape askes her to [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Funny, Harry is Draco's best hope at this time [15:34] <fawkes28> Snape is not foolish enough to attempt to ask the Order [15:34] <Spectre> Snape is a Legilimens and would probably know if Draco wants to be protected [15:34] <futureweasley> it was, essentially, DD's dying request [15:34] <futureweasley> to show Draco mercy [15:34] <kadi> i wouldn't trust malfoy as far as i could throw him with the order! [15:34] <Aislinn> good point, future [15:34] <kadi> he'd do a peter! [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither kadi [15:34] <cloudpic> I really think it'd be a step in the right direction for Harry... he's done it for worse sorts! [15:35] <futureweasley> Harry WILL uphold that, because that's what DD wanted [15:35] <fawkes28> you know - i don't think Malfoy would actually [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> its one thing to spare someone, but quite another to bring them in to your inner sanctum [15:35] <DumbleDebbie> would Draco accept such an offer though? I think not [15:35] <leakylurker> good point future [15:35] <Aislinn> I can see it of Harry easily - snape, not so much [15:35] <Dreamteam> he may not have a choice DD [15:35] <fawkes28> i think he is scared enough to save his own butt - that he wouldn't rat them out [15:35] <cloudpic> I'm not sure... remember crying in the bathroom Draco? [15:35] <futureweasley> Draco, I believe, doesn't have much of a choice [15:35] <Expelliarmas> Harry might show Draco mercy, but I doubt he would give Draco the keys to Grimmauld Place [15:35] <leakylurker> hey can offer draco protection, not necessarily let him join the order [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I would hate to see Draco protected by the Order [15:35] <kadi> yes, he could do that [15:36] <Expelliarmas> but I could see him offering the Dursleys' house keys ... [15:36] <kadi> he could go live in sirius' cave [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> it would just be wrong [15:36] <cloudpic> No... he could be placed at Hogwarts... [15:36] <kadi> ;/ [15:36] <Spectre> Draco at Dursleys? smile [15:36] <Dreamteam> No he wouldn't take him to GP, he would hide him somewhere else [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that protection only will come if Draco looses his parents [15:36] <Spectre> That's QUITE a protection [15:36] <DumbleDebbie> he chose his side, he needs to deal with the consequences of that choice [15:36] <Aislinn> sure he would, fawkes [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> if he goes to Hogwarts, thats public. What keeps the MoM from getting him? [15:36] <leakylurker> i think the houses have to unite, and i think for slytherin that means draco, so some understanding must be had [15:36] <Spectre> Nobody would seek him there biggrin [15:36] <Aislinn> just like petere [15:36] <cloudpic> Hah... the Dursleys will be in hiding at Grimmauld Place.. so Privet Drive will be available LOL [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL cloudpic [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> while he has especially his father he as a pride to keep [15:36] <Dreamteam> Put him in the Room of Requirement Sooner [15:37] <kadi> make him come be a transcription elf? [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> HAHAHAHAH [15:37] *** PrincessPickledOnion has quit [Bye] [15:37] *** ph63915 has quit [Bye] [15:37] <Dreamteam> LOL [15:37] <fawkes28> draco is going to redeem himself and not pull a peter [15:37] <cloudpic> hmmm... that's an interesting idea Dreamteam... [15:37] <kadi> :devile: [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> (If evil, on the other hand…) As Snape has "done nothing wrong in the red eyes of his Master…his support will go far to save Draco from Voldemort's rage." But what use might Draco be to Voldemort at this point? [15:37] <Spectre> Hm... Are all houses actually united in the Order? [15:37] <kadi> that would just totally ruin his slytherin good looks fawkes [15:37] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:38] <fawkes28> nah, they will still be there dracomalfoy [15:38] <Aislinn> draco would be a pawn to control narcissa and lucius, still [15:38] <cloudpic> Draco working for Voldie. Probably bullying Muggles [15:38] <DumbleDebbie> he could be sueful to keep Lucius under wraps and in line [15:38] <DumbleDebbie> *useful [15:38] <kadi> he could pretend to go back to harry as a spy [15:38] <futureweasley> yes, and he's desperate to do something useful [15:38] <Spectre> Snape is Slytherin, there's a few Gryffindors... but nothing is said about the former Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs [15:38] <kadi> double duty spies! [15:38] <fawkes28> i think Snape would concoct some story [15:38] <janieb> One theory is that he might be a werewolf [15:38] <kadi> he's been learning legilimency [15:38] <Expelliarmas> Draco can get coffee and pie for the DEs [15:38] <futureweasley> he wants his employ to bear fruit...he doesn't want to be seen as "useless" or a "failure" [15:38] <Dreamteam> LOL Expie [15:38] <cloudpic> Yes, that's true kadi, and he must have been fairly good at it [15:38] <Spectre> Draco could polish Wormtail's hand biggrin [15:39] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:39] <fawkes28> well, he could give him another impossible task [15:39] *** PrincessPickledOnion has joined #lounge [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> wb PPO [15:39] <Expelliarmas> Draco is in the same boat as Sirius was [15:39] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:39] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:39] *** mode/#lounge [+o fawkes28] by Snuffles [15:39] <Spectre> Draco set up an actual portal to Hogwarts... [15:39] <cloudpic> I can see Draco gathering his former minions to himself as a kind of junior DE to torture the weaker folks [15:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> thnks dd:d [15:40] <Expelliarmas> He has to figure out a way to be useful as quickly as possible. [15:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> *:D [15:40] <cloudpic> He'd get his swagger back. [15:40] <Expelliarmas> Peter has a similar problem seeing as he is supposed to be dead. So he doesn't get out much. [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> ugh, I'd like to see him not have his swagger [15:40] <Spectre> Voldyjugend? Yuck [15:40] <Dreamteam> but how many minions would follow him now? [15:40] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe LV wants him as another right arm, since Lucius is in jail. Maybe LV has tasks that only a kid could do [15:40] <cloudpic> I wonder though, if Draco's former followers would be afraid to [15:41] <cloudpic> LOL Dreamteam, great minds [15:41] <Expelliarmas> at least 3: crabbe, goyle, and pansy would be his mini-minions [15:41] <Dreamteam> LOL cloudpic [15:41] <Spectre> Nobody can enter the Room of Requirement with the cupboard but Draco, so unless they damage the cupboard at Borgin's, anyone can infiltrate Hogwarts [15:41] <cloudpic> That's not much of a "gang" [15:41] <Expelliarmas> Zabini might be impressed enough [15:41] <Expelliarmas> in the words of Lockhart, cloudpic, it's a start ... it's a start [15:41] <cloudpic> Oh! I'd not thought of that at all Spectre... [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> What sort of dramatic event could make Draco "turn away from the dark and dangerous path that he has embarked upon"? Would even abandoning the Dark Lord actually cause Draco to change his current foul convictions? Would anything? [15:42] <kadi> like maybe he needs draco's ability to love? [15:42] <cloudpic> He'd have to be the one to get that "exact" version of the Room [15:42] <kadi> so he can get into the locked room? [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they would have taken care of it [15:42] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy asking him to kill his own mother? [15:42] <JaneMarple9> i think he'll come to the good side [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> LV killing both of his parents [15:42] <JaneMarple9> eventually.... [15:42] <leakylurker> I think the event already happened. He couldn't kill DD. [15:42] <Expelliarmas> The death of either or both his parents in LV's cause might shake him up some more [15:42] <janieb> I agee, LL [15:42] <leakylurker> I think this is amking him think twice abou tthe life of a DE [15:43] <Dreamteam> I agree Leaky [15:43] <Spectre> Voldy making Draco witness Lucius killing Narcissa? [15:43] <Dreamteam> I think that shook him up [15:43] <cloudpic> Some have thought his one or more of his parents' deaths. I really wonder . Dumbledore was convinced that Draco wasn't a killer [15:43] <DumbleDebbie> too little too late eh LL? [15:43] <fawkes28> perhaps the death of his mother [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> because family is all he has and all he always looked up to. [15:43] <fawkes28> and maybe his father [15:43] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:43] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think wizards have tatoo removal [15:43] <futureweasley> it depends on if he took the oath to be a DE, imho [15:43] <JaneMarple9> yes draco didn't want to kill dumbledore [15:43] <leakylurker> lol debbie [15:43] <JaneMarple9> not in his heart [15:43] <cloudpic> And he cried in that bathroom for fear of his own and his parents' deaths [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think anything will ever make Draco a different person [15:43] <Expelliarmas> which I think he has, fw [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> good point cp [15:43] <fawkes28> i'm telling you all - he is going to redeem himself [15:43] <kadi> i think he cried in the bathroom b/c he couldn't fix the cabinet! [15:44] <futureweasley> see, if he did, redemption could be illusive to him [15:44] <cloudpic> But I don't think it'd change his nasty inclinations even if he's not a killer [15:44] <leakylurker> i think he is only a DE because he felt he had to be [15:44] <kadi> he's not THAT weak, psh [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he cried because he is a coward [15:44] <fawkes28> oh, kadi [15:44] <kadi> no! [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he was worried about his own butt [15:44] <cloudpic> You mean frustration-tears rather than fear? [15:44] <JaneMarple9> he did have a good cry with mrytle [15:44] <kadi> he cried b/c there wasn't any krazyglue! [15:44] <cloudpic> hmmm. [15:44] <Expelliarmas> I think he became a DE because he thought it was cool to be the youngest member [15:44] <JaneMarple9> i suppose so Sooner smile [15:44] <futureweasley> LOL Kadi [15:44] <leakylurker> i think draco is deeper than that- we just never see it because we see Harry's perspective [15:44] <futureweasley> spellotape wasn't getting the job done [15:44] <Dreamteam> I think he became a DE because he thought only of the glory, not the consequences. Now he knows what they are he isn't so sure [15:44] <JaneMarple9> he should have just said Reparo! [15:44] <kadi> yes, frustration b/c his dumb cronies couldn't help him [15:44] <janieb> One theory is thatit's a bite on his arm and that he's not a DE yet [15:45] <futureweasley> he didn't employ them, though, kadi [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he was just following his father, xpie. Draco looks up to be like his father.. he tries hard to be like Lucius [15:45] <fawkes28> he was really upset - his true emotions shined forth [15:45] <futureweasley> just as a lookout [15:45] <kadi> and he just REALLY needed to fix the stupid cabinet biggrin [15:45] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [15:45] <leakylurker> maybe janie [15:45] <cloudpic> That's a very good point leakylurker... when Harry saw Draco crying it was astonishing to him [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> he realized that he was not as big a man as he thought he was. Poor Draco /sarcasm [15:45] <fawkes28> No, he was really upset devil2 [15:45] <JaneMarple9> pretty suprising to me too [15:45] <cloudpic> Yes, Jane, and to me [15:45] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [15:45] <leakylurker> i think draco is growing, like RAB did. Regalus realized he made a mistake, they both started too young [15:45] <JaneMarple9> I didn't think Draco had a emotional bone in his body! [15:45] <kadi> maybe he was just cutting some onions [15:45] <JaneMarple9> laugh [15:46] <kadi> slytherins don't cry :P [15:46] <Dreamteam> Seeing your enemy as a weak person changes your view of them, creates pity [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Draco: Redemption? Something else? Live or die? [15:46] <cloudpic> I still don't see Draco changing his basic "spots" he's a nasty critter even if not a DE [15:46] <fawkes28> Redemption definitely and he will live [15:46] <Dreamteam> Redemption [15:46] <DumbleDebbie> live [15:46] <leakylurker> live, redemption, integral in uniting the four houses [15:46] <futureweasley> Draco, redeemed, then creamed [15:46] <Dreamteam> and Live [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> no redemption, but he will live (even though the evile git doesnt deserve to) [15:46] <MafaldaWeasley> Redemption, Live, minnie Snape on future [15:46] <Expelliarmas> Draco is redeemed. Has to be someone of significance to reunite the houses. Crabbe/Goyle don't count. [15:46] <DumbleDebbie> lol [15:46] <fawkes28> he is not as evile as others, sooner [15:46] <cloudpic> You think this boy will turn into a good and lovely open-mindied person??? [15:46] <Spectre> Live... maybe, the future Head of Slytherin house smile [15:46] <DumbleDebbie> I don't know about the redemption bit. He chose to join Voldy [15:46] <Expelliarmas> One step at a time, cloudpic [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I will be upset if Draco ends up redeemed [15:47] <janieb> redeemed and understands what really matters [15:47] <Dreamteam> No not that cp but not as evil as some [15:47] <cloudpic> He's a nasty little bigot [15:47] <leakylurker> no but i think he might realize he has made some bad judgements and mistakes [15:47] <kadi> nope, he's a slytherin and will die as an example to other voldie followers [15:47] <cloudpic> He's Umbridge [15:47] <cloudpic> in training [15:47] <kadi> he is not! [15:47] <kadi> he would never buy a kitten plate! [15:47] <fawkes28> i am so willing to bet that he will be redeemed [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think he will end up a pathetic orphan with nothing to his name, no friends, and no hope for the future [15:47] <leakylurker> we have to see some slytherin do something good, i think that will be a big part of book 7 [15:47] <cloudpic> I don't want him to die... because I'm not convinced death is deserved by anyone [15:47] <Dreamteam> thank goodness kadi [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> Draco is so not dying in my opinino. Lucius and Narcissa are gone [15:48] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:48] <DumbleDebbie> that would pretty much serve him right Sooner [15:48] <cloudpic> But I don't see him as "redeemed" [15:48] <Spectre> Umbridge sticks to rules a lot, I doubt Draco would behave similarly smile [15:48] <futureweasley> I ship Draco/Kitten Plates [15:48] *** ph63915 left #lounge [] [15:48] <fawkes28> snape is evile and draco is good - there is a balance there [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [15:48] <kadi> or snape is good and draco is evile? [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> umbridge goes alot of of rules when it suits her [15:48] <Spectre> Slytherins doing something good... does it include Slughorn? [15:48] <janieb> lol future! [15:48] <cloudpic> LOL... true, kadi, there you've got me and he'd not wear pink [15:48] <Expelliarmas> Draco began waivering on the astronomy tower. [15:48] <leakylurker> maybe spectre [15:48] <futureweasley> before that, even...don't you think Expie? [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> thre will be a good Slytherin.... Draco will not be that character [15:48] <kadi> it was windy expie! [15:49] * DumbleDebbie is rubbing her eyes. Did fawkes just say "Snape is evile"? [15:49] <cloudpic> Because he couldn't kill Dumbledore, not because he was good [15:49] <fawkes28> you guys are killing me here [15:49] <futureweasley> he wanted to prove to himself that he could get where noone though he could [15:49] <fawkes28> oh, yes debbie - i am on the snape is evile side devil2 [15:49] <Dreamteam> I think he's already on the way t redemption, he just couldn't say a way out [15:49] <Spectre> How about Slughorn, Sooner? I think Dumbledore's death changed something in him [15:49] <Expelliarmas> that would be wafting, kadi [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> How might the Malfoy family be reunited in Book 7? [15:49] <DumbleDebbie> BWAHAH [15:49] <Spectre> In the grave... [15:49] <cloudpic> Evil is a strong word. [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> fawkes is suffering from temporary insanity [15:49] <cloudpic> Side by side by side in Azkaban. [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm afraid that the partes are goners [15:49] <janieb> I think so too future--Harry's sectumsempra caused more than a physical wound [15:49] <leakylurker> i don't htink they will [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Slughorn was always good [15:50] <fawkes28> no, i am not, sooner [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> me too Sooner [15:50] <fawkes28> lol spectre [15:50] <kadi> the malfoys are going to go on safari and kill endangered animals and salute purebloodness as they should [15:50] <Dreamteam> I don't think they will be Sooner, Lucius dies [15:50] <cloudpic> LOL kadi [15:50] <Spectre> Slughorn was, but now I think he wouldn't seek safety as he did before [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I doubt we see all 3 of them together as well [15:50] <leakylurker> no time for a malfoy reunion, trying to find horcruxes [15:50] <cloudpic> Sounds about right [15:50] <DumbleDebbie> I have no idea, but if they are I think it will be short lived [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I would actually be disappointed if page time was wasted on that [15:51] <leakylurker> i agree sooner [15:51] <Spectre> Voldy getting all three to fight each other to the death [15:51] <DumbleDebbie> to what end Spectre? [15:51] <cloudpic> I think the Malfoys will see one another briefly though... oooo, Sooner, that's cold [15:51] <DumbleDebbie> jsut for sport? [15:51] <kadi> i don't see that happening spectre [15:51] <cloudpic> That doesn't sound like JKR, though [15:51] <Spectre> it's more of a wicked humor [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> as far as I am concerned, they made their beds. Time to lie in them [15:51] <DumbleDebbie> yeah Jo does have bigger fish to fry in those 784 pages [15:52] <DumbleDebbie> "it's our choices" [15:52] <Spectre> I also can't see this happening biggrin [15:52] <janieb> I'm not so sure, everyone has a part toplay [15:52] <kadi> the malfoys are who they are [15:52] <kadi> i don't see loads of redemption going on [15:52] <cloudpic> Rich and bigoted [15:52] <kadi> perhaps a reprieve ;) [15:52] <kadi> yes, god love em! [15:52] <kadi> :D [15:53] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [15:53] <futureweasley> hi chocolate [15:53] <Dreamteam> Lucius and Narcissa have never played a big part, can't see that changing, maybe Draco will have to choose which of them to sacrifice [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi chocolate [15:53] <cloudpic> I agree kadi, but you don't deserve death for those failings (even if your a nasty face stomping type) [15:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> time flies on sundays... missed the whole chat! [15:53] <fawkes28> someone is going to be redeemed [15:53] <cloudpic> That would be tough, Dreamteam. [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, and it's draco [15:53] <leakylurker> draco (and snape?) [15:53] <kadi> so wrong dreamteam, lol [15:53] <Expelliarmas> no chia horcruxes today, cinfb [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> coughsnapeisawfulcough [15:53] <janieb> yes and its draco and narcissa [15:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boo! new chia vow!? [15:54] <kadi> nah, they won't die, not all of them! what would the world be like without the malfoys?! [15:54] <leakylurker> malfalda do you need a Ricola? [15:54] <futureweasley> lol [15:54] <cloudpic> I wonder if Narcissa will be the only Malfoy to die... mothers seem to be the ones to die around lead characters [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Finally, if they happen to survive after Voldemort's defeat and the Death Eaters' end, (said hopefully) they'll likely try to use the family gold and political connections to repair the family "name." To what extent might this succeed? And that power they yearned for, is that possible ever again? [15:54] <janieb> RIIII-COOOOO-LAAA!! [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> haha yes totally. i hear Snape is good and it begans, it's amazing [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> :D [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> their name is mud [15:54] <kadi> i think they'd totally get it [15:54] <Spectre> well, the world without Crouches existed in OotP, and without Blacks in HBP smile [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> unless the Dark side wins [15:54] <leakylurker> i think it would be impossible to rebuild again [15:55] <Expelliarmas> Their name is worthless. Not enough gold in the world to clean it up. They were on the wrong side and everyone knows it. [15:55] <cloudpic> I think the title of this chapter is perfect: they're the "Fallen Family" [15:55] <DumbleDebbie> which won't happen [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> sadly in the real world, money does a lot to get you out of trouble. I am hoping there is no bailing the Malfoy family out [15:55] <Dreamteam> Can't happen unless LV wins [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> I think so Expie and leakylurker [15:55] <Spectre> Draco would probably get hard time to find a wife biggrin [15:55] <kadi> nah, can't you see them pulling some amazing imperius story out of their... erm hats? [15:55] <Dreamteam> which won't happen [15:55] <Expelliarmas> Even the Ministry won't be eager to associate with the Malfoys any more [15:55] <Aislinn> I think that their guilt has been too widespread to buy their way out this time [15:55] <kadi> and then paying off the prophet to print it [15:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that draco has already tried to redeem their name and failed... they can either say on with Voldemort and be terrorized and used like pawns, or they can fight against it [15:55] <leakylurker> can they really fool everyone again? [15:55] <cloudpic> Maybe it was the Malfoy vault being raided on the UK cover of DH ;) [15:56] <Expelliarmas> no, ll, i don't think they can [15:56] <leakylurker> me neither, the whole story would just repeat [15:56] <cloudpic> I doubt it, I think they're done. If they survive, it will be powerless, though not poor. [15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I think not. It's too much coincidence even for the dummies of the MoM [15:56] <kadi> it can't end completely happy, you do realize that right? :P [15:56] <Spectre> the Malfoys would serve coffee and cookies in the Ministry biggrin [15:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> draco was REALLY close to taking Dumbledore's offer... he never really had a chance to respond... i think that given another chance, he'd take it [15:56] <leakylurker> why not kadi? smile [15:56] <cloudpic> Now, Draco's children... they could be trouble [15:57] <leakylurker> I am all about completely happy [15:57] <Aislinn> out of desperation, chocolate [15:57] <DumbleDebbie> children? ewww [15:57] <kadi> b/c there has to be a balance of good and evil in the world [15:57] <Spectre> depends on who marries Draco smile [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Maybe Draco can end up working Arthur's old job. I would LOVE to see that happen [15:57] <Aislinn> would he do so out of sincere belief? doubtful [15:57] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [15:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he would out of sincere love for his mother [15:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> since he has to be the man now that his father is gone... he's the protector [15:57] <cloudpic> Oh, I hope not... Draco would be so mean to the Muggles [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Draco a man. laughable [15:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and we know love is going to be a huge theme! [15:58] <Spectre> Well, Draco surely isn't a woman biggrin [15:58] <leakylurker> :) [15:58] <cloudpic> You may be right, chocolate, we have sseen glimpses of Draco as a caring person (however brief) [15:58] <janieb> yes chocolate and cloud [15:58] <futureweasley> well, ladies and gents, I insert the group hug here, and thank you all for joining us! [15:59] <leakylurker> i always have to hope for people, especially kids [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, great chat everyone! [15:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> even Ron noticed the connection between Draco and Narcissa... he was going to hex him and said "too bad his mother loves him" [15:59] <DumbleDebbie> take care folks! [15:59] <cloudpic> I hope you're right leakylurker [15:59] <janieb> you all rocked again thanks! [15:59] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming smile [15:59] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, have a nice week everybody [15:59] <cloudpic> That's true, chocolate [15:59] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [15:59] <leakylurker> Bye everyone, thanks. [15:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i can't believe i missed it! i've been so into Narcissa this week [15:59] <kadi> bye biggrin viva la malfoys! [15:59] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [15:59] <Dreamteam> thanks for a great chat everyone. Bye [15:59] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [15:59] <Spectre> a good chat today. Gotta sleep, it's already May 7th down here biggrin [15:59] <JaneMarple9> hugs all [15:59] <futureweasley> oh Kadi [15:59] *** Dreamteam has quit [Bye] [15:59] <JaneMarple9> (((Cloud)))) [15:59] *** janieb has quit [Bye] [16:00] <Expelliarmas> bye guys! see you on Wednesday [16:00] <JaneMarple9> (((and all)))) This post has been edited by futureweasley: May 6 2007, 04:47 PM |
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