P3 Corner Booth Transcript 12/24/06, We're Chatting Book 7 Title, People. BEWARE SPOILERS!! |
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*** futureweasley has joined #lounge <futureweasley> Merry Christmas Eve, everyone! <dumbleydore18> here comes dumbleydore here comes dumbleydore running to the chat! I want to hear all the cheer when we talk about all of that! What a sight to see more friends when we all use our brains I can't wait for the chat today I could just squee hip hip hooray! <Rebekia> Wow that was quite the entry Dumbleydore! <dumbleydore18> happy x-mas eve! <Rebekia> Happy Christmas Eve to Us, eh? <ProngsPatronus> Merry Christmas, all! *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge <fawkes28> !op fawkes28 *** Inkreader13 has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile <futureweasley> hi hi hi!! <fawkes28> welcome everyone! smile <Inkreader13> hey <futureweasley> w00t2 <Inkreader13> lol <DumbleDebbie> lol FW *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi Jane <DumbleDebbie> hi Jane <Theoriser> hi Jane <Inkreader13> hey Jane <JaneMarple9> is the room open? smile <futureweasley> It's open! <fawkes28> yes <futureweasley> Woot! <JaneMarple9> hi there everybody! biggrin <dumbleydore18> clackity clack clack clackity clack clack goes my key board...(please feel free for the need to continue) *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Book 7 Title Chat...WARNING: Spoilers will ensue (futureweasley) <fawkes28> woo hoo - future *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> hey HF! <futureweasley> hi harryfreak! <ProngsPatronus> not Lily? <harryfreak359> Hi! <fawkes28> hi hf smile <JaneMarple9> w00t2 four hours to go w00t2 <Theoriser> hi harryfreak! <Rebekia> yay for spoilers!! <fawkes28> Lily is going to be next week Prongs <JaneMarple9> hi there harry freak <dumbleydore18> for what Jane? <futureweasley> I love spoilers, too...when I want them, that is <harryfreak359> hello everyone! smile <fawkes28> we changed it because of the 7th book coming out <JaneMarple9> biggrin Christmas day biggrin <ProngsPatronus> ah <dumbleydore18> oh! I have about 12 hours... <harryfreak359> I have 11 hours left Jane <ProngsPatronus> 12 here <Inkreader13> 7 and a half hours! <futureweasley> sorry, we made an announcement in the Corner Booth Schedule thread...this was too exciting to let pass us by <ProngsPatronus> or maybe ten... <JaneMarple9> Really going to enjoy this chat today <DumbleDebbie> are you in Newfoundland Inkreader? <harryfreak359> yes, I agree jane <ProngsPatronus> this will be too cool! <JaneMarple9> sounds really good...lets see how many ideas we can come up with! <Inkreader13> yep Dumble! <DumbleDebbie> neat! I visited there in 2000 *** Poet has joined #lounge <Inkreader13> cool *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles <futureweasley> Hi Poet <DumbleDebbie> the 1/2 hr off gave you away wink *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge <Inkreader13> lol <futureweasley> EXPIE!! <DumbleDebbie> hi Expie <JaneMarple9> hi poet <fawkes28> expie!!!! <Theoriser> hi Expie, hi Poet <DumbleDebbie> which side of NFLD Inkreader? <Expelliarmas> heya peepers! <Inkreader13> west coast <JaneMarple9> hi Expie ! Good to see you <Expelliarmas> good to be back <harryfreak359> hi Expie <DumbleDebbie> awesome! that's where we went all the way up and back *** Poet has quit [Bye] * futureweasley missed her some Expie somethin' fierce <Inkreader13> it's a nice drive <JaneMarple9> ((((Fawkes)))) <DumbleDebbie> loved the moose signs showing the crumpled cars LOL <Expelliarmas> *sniff* <fawkes28> aww hi jane <Inkreader13> lol nice <harryfreak359> nice, Debbie <JaneMarple9> see how popular you are Expie smile <Expelliarmas> shocking, no? <DumbleDebbie> lol No <DumbleDebbie> wink *** mode/#lounge [+o Expelliarmas] by Snuffles *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge <fawkes28> hi ww <harryfreak359> hi Whisperwing <DumbleDebbie> hi ww <Whisperwing> Hi gang <Whisperwing> And any minute now the chat will actually show me everyone who's here <JaneMarple9> hi there whisperwing <fawkes28> Does anyone have any big plans for the holiday? <Rebekia> hey whisper <DumbleDebbie> staying home fawkes smile <Rebekia> I'm eating for the holiday <Inkreader13> going to mass tonight. nothing big <harryfreak359> lol, no just staying home and eating <Rebekia> normally i don't eat ;) jk <DumbleDebbie> yeah, she's eating at my home smile <fawkes28> lol rebekia <Whisperwing> We're cooking a 26 pound turkey -- Mom thinks we'll have to put it in the over somewhere around 3 am. <JaneMarple9> being lazy for me Fawkessmile and eatting yep! <harryfreak359> and listening christmas music <Expelliarmas> nope, I shall not overeat for the holidays. oddly enough, i lost weight in the uk <DumbleDebbie> yikes WW, that's huge <harryfreak359> and sliding across the floor in my slippers <ProngsPatronus> we may be getting a bit of white for Christmas--I am so w00t2 <futureweasley> I'm going to try to NOT eat myself into a food coma...but there's so much good food and drink...it's really hard to practice food abstinence! <DumbleDebbie> with their world famous cuisine Expie? shocker! <Whisperwing> Yes -- well she got ito n sale at Thanksgiving and put it in the deep freezer for a month <JaneMarple9> thats a big bird whisper! Enough to feed to corner booth! <DumbleDebbie> we're not PP, raining here :P <Expelliarmas> with their world famous chocolate, DD <ProngsPatronus> and I am making Christmas Dinner, of course <Whisperwing> I made sure we put it in the fridge a week ago <fawkes28> we always have food on the lounge smile <Expelliarmas> thornton's was a treat <harryfreak359> lol Future, I know what you mean, at least we never make a whole lot <DumbleDebbie> aha Expie,mmmm <fawkes28> Prongs that is great to have a white Christmas! <fawkes28> i havent had one in awhile <Whisperwing> Well we have about eight people going to be here, plus the cats and the dog will all expect a share of it. Still, we should have turkey for the week. <DumbleDebbie> oooo, :drool: Thorntons <Theoriser> did you have any cadbury's chocolate, Expie? <ProngsPatronus> me, either <Expelliarmas> certain of my friends *cough*CB mods*cough* shall be getting this stuff called dairy milk, which i didn't touch <Theoriser> I love thorntons chocolate too <futureweasley> it's sunny and 55 here...most unChristmas-like weather ever *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge <JaneMarple9> very handy for me, going next door, to my sisters home, to celebrare christmas <futureweasley> hi Mafalda <DumbleDebbie> hi mafalda <ProngsPatronus> a roast of veal, stuffed, in puff pastry <harryfreak359> hi mafald <Whisperwing> If it does anything here, I fear it's going to slush rather than snow <harryfreak359> mafalda* <JaneMarple9> thorntons is good, but you can't beat Cadburys biggrin <Expelliarmas> next door, Jane? that's convenient <Whisperwing> Veal makes me cry <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys!! Merry Christmas!!!!! <futureweasley> OMG Prongs, that sounds absolutely sinfully delicious <JaneMarple9> very! biggrin Not far to get home <Whisperwing> Happy Yule! <harryfreak359> mmm <DumbleDebbie> Merry Christmas Mafalda *** Poet has joined #lounge <dumbleydore18> I am re-doing my CoC entrance song...hold on... and hello and merry/happy christmas to you all! <futureweasley> wb Poet <fawkes28> well we know florida won't be getting a white christmas - it's probably 80 something there <DumbleDebbie> hi Poet <fawkes28> wb, poet smile *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles <Poet> hi *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge <MafaldaWeasley> I'm tired of cooking hehehe <Inkreader13> It was raining here today sad <futureweasley> hi MrMcG! <DumbleDebbie> Mr. M! smile <fawkes28> hi mr. m! smile <harryfreak359> Honey baked ham, scalloped potatoes, cranberry salad, brocollie, and delicious cream pie here, for tomorrow, I can't wait! <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.McG <MrMcGonagall> Merry Christmas! <JaneMarple9> hi there Mr McGonagall <fawkes28> that sounds great hf <DumbleDebbie> ooo yum HF <Whisperwing> I've got to back up PC 69 to the start of Evanna's call again -- I missed half of it. <futureweasley> that sounds really good, too, Harryfreak <Poet> Happy Holidays! *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge <MafaldaWeasley> hello Mr. McG, Merry Christmas <futureweasley> we do a traditional Swedish Smorgasboard at our house on Christmas Eve...it's deliious <ProngsPatronus> to go with the veal, we have potaotes Anna, and Broccoli with Hollandaise--and Key Lime Cheesecake <DumbleDebbie> sounds yummy FW <harryfreak359> mmm, Future <Whisperwing> What's Potatoes Anna? <JaneMarple9> listening to the Pottercast now. <DumbleDebbie> we're having oyster stew tonight (family tradition) and turkey tomorrow <futureweasley> Key Lime Cheesecake...to die for! <MrMcGonagall> All I have to say is, I'm glad I own a Mac. I just dropped it from four feet high. It bounced several times on the pavement, but still functions. Takes a lickin', but keeps on clickin'. <Rebekia> cranberry salad sounds awesome! <MafaldaWeasley> everybody cooking as well smile <Whisperwing> wow Mr McG <fawkes28> aww Mr. M <ProngsPatronus> potatoes sliced very thin, layered with leek and butter, cooked in a mold <DumbleDebbie> wow Mr. M, that's fortunate! <Whisperwing> Well those sound alright <MrMcGonagall> I know! I would have missed the chat!!! <DumbleDebbie> have you backed it up? <DumbleDebbie> lol! <Rebekia> HOLY cow Mr. M.....yay for macs, but wow that's a hard one wow <harryfreak359> I am soooo hungry <ProngsPatronus> fw, I'll send you my recipe, if you wish <Poet> ProngsPatronus: I read that at first as "cooked in mold" <futureweasley> that would be great, PP...thank you! <DumbleDebbie> eww Poet LOL * futureweasley loves recipes <Whisperwing> FOr just about half a second I saw it that way too LOL <harryfreak359> LOL Poet <harryfreak359> I did too lol <DumbleDebbie> blue cheese perhaps? wink <ProngsPatronus> LOL Poet! <MrMcGonagall> I'm going to be multi-tasking as we chat. I still have a gift to wrap, lunch to eat, and the house to finish decorating. <dumbleydore18> Here is the new and improved holiday welcome song: Here goes Dumbleydore Here goes Dumbleydore running to the P3 chat! I want to hear all the cheer when we talk about all of that! What a sight to see all my friends, I just want to hug you all! We can use all our brains, to decipher what that book really says <DumbleDebbie> Mr. M has many skills! <Whisperwing> FInally got all my gift wrapping done! <ProngsPatronus> I listen to keane while I chat <Inkreader13> I'm gift wraping to Mr. M <Rebekia> yes really. <harryfreak359> I still have many gifts to wrap, Mr.M <futureweasley> I bet the rank right up there with his nunchuck skills <fawkes28> i still have to gift wrap <MrMcGonagall> Fawkes will tell you I am the world's worst multi-tasker, but I'll give it a go. <DumbleDebbie> lol FW <fawkes28> i also have to pack smile <Rebekia> Mr. M are you wrapping a gift for me?!? <ProngsPatronus> I have a few persents to giftwrap <MafaldaWeasley> I'm done with wrapping!! biggrin <DumbleDebbie> the nunchuck-weilding priest? LOL <fawkes28> lol <ProngsPatronus> I love gift wrapping [15:14] <MrMcGonagall> It's part of the new DADA class. [15:14] <Theoriser> nice choice of music, prongs ;) [15:14] <harryfreak359> I was on the phone all day because it was my grandmother's birthday, and I talked to all of my family members... I am so tired of talking [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> class preparation [15:14] * Poet wants to take classes from MrMcGonagall [15:14] <Rebekia> awww yay for family! [15:14] <Whisperwing> My daughter said she wanted cash for Christmas, so I spent two days hand-drawing her a card to put the money in. [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> i know how you feel like HF [15:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [15:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [15:15] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:15] <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:15] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:15] <Theoriser> On December 21st Jo presented us with an early holiday present, the title to the 7th and final book of the Harry Potter series. For many this early release date was as surprising as was the book's unusual title: "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows." [15:16] <Theoriser> The focus of this chat will be on what the title might mean and what connotations those meanings have for the plot of the last of the Harry Potter series. [15:16] <Theoriser> What are some of the meanings of the word "Deathly"? How is "Deathly" different from "deadly"? [15:16] <DumbleDebbie> hey cp! [15:16] <Rebekia> Hey Cloudpic! [15:16] <fawkes28> hi cp [15:16] <harryfreak359> hi Cloudpic! [15:16] <MafaldaWeasley> lo, cp [15:16] <DumbleDebbie> I think deathly can mean either 'resembling death' or 'deadly' [15:16] <MrMcGonagall> I think it means "of death," rather than the sense of something that will kill you. [15:16] <Whisperwing> You dude [15:16] <cloudpic> Hi, all... I'll start... deathly can be an adjective or adverb and has to do with death [15:16] <futureweasley> hmmm, Deathly is "of death", where as "deathly" is dangerous [15:16] <Poet> Deadly means it will kill you. Deathly is the appearance of death [15:17] <fawkes28> yes, i agree it means "of death" [15:17] <harryfreak359> Deathly is more meaning, "death" were as "deadly" is more like causing death [15:17] <Whisperwing> Argh I was trying to say yo! [15:17] <futureweasley> right MrMcG...I totally agree [15:17] <DumbleDebbie> so it's can be interpreted in broader sense [15:17] <cloudpic> Agreed, Mr. McG [15:17] <Rebekia> yeah the appearance. [15:17] <JaneMarple9> well there is deathly pale [15:17] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr.M [15:17] <JaneMarple9> (((((((((((((CloudPic)))))))))))))))))))) [15:17] <Poet> Death is more of an action word as opposed to dead which is final. [15:17] <fawkes28> i think deadly has a more negativr conotation than deathly [15:17] <cloudpic> Hi, Jane ;) [15:17] <Rebekia> yea i see it as more constant a word then the word deadly [15:17] <MafaldaWeasley> in my dic it says it's "like dead" [15:17] <cloudpic> and perhaps a different focus, fawkes? [15:17] <Poet> Deathly sick, Deathly ill, deathly fun.... smile [15:17] <Rebekia> like deadly implies past tense to me for some reason [15:17] <MrMcGonagall> One can look "like death," but just because a person looks like death doesn't mean they'll kill you. [15:17] <futureweasley> right, deadly would imply something much more sinister [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> deadly is fatal--deathly is taking on the attributes of Death [15:17] <fawkes28> yes, cloudpic [15:17] <Whisperwing> Deathly pale [15:17] <Poet> So it can mean "very" or "extremely" [15:18] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:18] <Theoriser> like a ghost, maybe [15:18] <fawkes28> hi cbm! [15:18] <harryfreak359> Yes, Prongs [15:18] <futureweasley> hi cbm [15:18] <cloudpic> Doesn't bring death... but has to do with death [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree prongs [15:18] <cbm> hi everyone [15:18] <Whisperwing> Oh there we are, Harry's going Goth for book 7! [15:18] <fawkes28> yes, theoriser [15:18] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think deathly has more the connotation of spiritual or otherworldly. "From the beyond!" as Trelawney would say. [15:18] <harryfreak359> Agreed Cloudpic [15:18] <cloudpic> LOL, whisper! [15:18] <JaneMarple9> mmm agreed PP [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> hello, cbm [15:18] <futureweasley> that's very good, Prongs..I like that analysis [15:18] <cbm> what is the ? [15:18] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm [15:18] <futureweasley> oh MrM...you and Trelawney!! [15:19] <fawkes28> we are analyzing the meaning of deathly as opposed to deadly [15:19] <harryfreak359> Deathly does not mean dying or anything, more as just a reference to death, in appearance or state. Deadly is more of an something that can kill, [15:19] <Poet> I like the interpretation that deathly means "of death" [15:19] <DumbleDebbie> FW has another ship forming: Mr. M & Sybil ;) [15:19] <Rebekia> deathly is like causing death too right? [15:19] <cloudpic> So we should look at things which may be connected with death but which wouldn't cause death? [15:19] <futureweasley> nonono [15:19] <harryfreak359> oh no! [15:19] <Whisperwing> A deathly silence, a deathly pallor... [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> The use of this words is so complicated, it's going to give hell for the translators.. [15:19] <fawkes28> yes, cp [15:19] *** mrobs has joined #lounge [15:19] <DumbleDebbie> hi mrobs [15:19] <Poet> I agree MafaldaWeasley [15:19] <cbm> cool, [15:19] <cloudpic> I thought about that problem too, MafaldaWeasley. [15:19] <futureweasley> hi mrobs [15:19] <Theoriser> hi mrobs [15:19] <Rebekia> yes..they'd be out for some payback i would think [15:19] <Whisperwing> A deathly hunger? [15:19] <mrobs> hi all [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> so--what are the attributes of Death [15:19] <Expelliarmas> it can also refer to a certain silence, almost an echoing silence [15:19] <dumbleydore18> deathly could be perceived as a present tense form, so it is something probably in the now. Hmm...deathly... *looks up word* deathly: causing death; deadly; fatal. like death. of, pertaining to, or indicating death; morbid. [15:20] <Whisperwing> hi mrobs [15:20] <fawkes28> chances are the book will have a deathly feel to it as there is a war going on [15:20] <cloudpic> Since these words are less used and more ambiguous... [15:20] <DumbleDebbie> cold, pale, unmoving [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> a pale imitation, perhaps? [15:20] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes, fawkes I think so [15:20] <JaneMarple9> yes deathly silence is another good one [15:20] <MrMcGonagall> Like an inferius, which is both deathly and deadly at the same time! biggrin [15:20] <MafaldaWeasley> we cannot find anything.. I mean, deathly says "like dead" it means similiar to dead or almost dead? [15:21] <Theoriser> lol mr m [15:21] <harryfreak359> Deathly is more of a state of something, I'd say [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> 'cept when they move LOL [15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> I thought about the Inferis too Mr.M [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> 'not quite dead yet' ? wink [15:21] <Theoriser> What are some of the meanings of the word "Hallows"? How is "Hallows" different from "hallowed" or other forms of the word? [15:21] <dumbleydore18> voldemort is deathly ill, lol. Voldy is pale hmmm maybe this is towards voldy? (just kidding, making this up) [15:21] <Whisperwing> For some reason I have Metallica's "Creeping Death" in my mind now [15:21] <futureweasley> the first thing I thought of was "hallowed ground" [15:21] <Expelliarmas> hallowed to me stands for something sacred [15:21] <mrobs> its the tense [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> in it's noun form it's archaic for 'saint or holy person' [15:21] <Poet> I think Hallows is a noun, and most uses of the word are verbs [15:21] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> Hallows is an ancient word [15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> hehehe whisperwing [15:21] <DumbleDebbie> wb cp [15:21] <JaneMarple9> Hallows to mean means Hallowe'en [15:21] <Expelliarmas> but hallows is a different word [15:21] <futureweasley> hallowed, meaning "holy" or "sacred" [15:21] <harryfreak359> hmmm, well I've been doing alot of research on this word [15:21] <Expelliarmas> part of hallows eve [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> means something sacred--could be either a place or a thing [15:22] <MrMcGonagall> In this context, I rather like hallowed in the sense of "revered." [15:22] <Whisperwing> Hallows, being plural, clearly indicates objects of some sort [15:22] <cloudpic> Oldest meanings according to Oxford are the verb or action forms... [15:22] <JaneMarple9> Hollow to me means something what is empty [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> hallow for me is also something sacrad and holy. [15:22] <futureweasley> yes, MrM...that makes sense [15:22] <DumbleDebbie> hAllow Jane not hOllow [15:22] <mrobs> yes i agree objects [15:22] <fawkes28> hallows seems to have a more positive conotation than deathly [15:22] <Poet> So I think it refers to sacred objects, places, people [15:22] <harryfreak359> Yes, sacred and holy is what it is too me too [15:22] <Rebekia> yes i see hallows as spirit type...things that are apparently deathly and ready to kick bum [15:22] <cloudpic> Or it can be the verb form... [15:22] <JaneMarple9> yes Hallow could be holy [15:22] <Whisperwing> The first thing my sister said when I mentioned the new title was "Like 'hallowed be Thy Name'," which was kind of stunning to me at the time. [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> they have the same root word [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> I think it'll end up having multiple layers of meaning within the context of the book [15:23] <cloudpic> • verb 1 make holy; consecrate. 2 honour as holy. 3 hallowed greatly revered [15:23] <mrobs> it probably is holy [15:23] <futureweasley> thanks CP! [15:23] <JaneMarple9> Ok smile Jane must remember Hallow and not Hollow smile [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> true WW [15:23] <cloudpic> That's the first definition in Oxford [15:23] <futureweasley> that makes so mch sense [15:23] <harryfreak359> Thanks Couldpic [15:23] <fawkes28> it's ok jane smile [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> a lot of people are mixing them up Jane [15:23] <Rebekia> interesting WW! [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> smile [15:23] <Theoriser> it this just me being silly, or can it also mean a kind of ghostly moaning? [15:23] <mrobs> Think of it like Voldie would revere his horcruxes, if he had "religion" that would be it [15:23] <Rebekia> Thy kingdom come...hmmm [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> could be Theo [15:23] <Whisperwing> Hallows could also mean relics, such as pilgrims of faith would journey to witness. [15:23] <Poet> And it of course was used as the noun to describe some important relics in British and Celtic legends [15:24] <cloudpic> Some have speculated a ghostly action... [15:24] <JaneMarple9> yeah...hallowed by thy name [15:24] <cloudpic> as in the ghosts helping [15:24] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, the link to Arthurian legend is cool [15:24] <cloudpic> hallowed be thy name [15:24] <cbm> I agree poet, the relics definition fits nicely [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> But it can also be used to persons, right? [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> like saints and all that? [15:24] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:24] <DumbleDebbie> yes, cp, I think spirits (like deathly saints) is likely as one meaning [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> in all of medieval Europe, really-- it was the main form of tourism for people then--that, and Crusades... [15:24] <JaneMarple9> perhaps a holu person yes [15:25] <JaneMarple9> holy person - eg saints [15:25] <mrobs> if that other title Hogwarts Hallows has any relevance than perhaps it refers to the Hogwarts ghosts [15:25] <Rebekia> for some reason i see these deathly hallows could be for harry's side. because v has the imperius so harry needs [15:25] <DumbleDebbie> I think it also might be a crypt [15:25] <Whisperwing> And a Horcrux is, in a way, a reliquary, in that it holds a piece of a soul, if one considers the soul itself to be sacred, whatever the moral fiber of the life the soul has lived [15:25] <Rebekia> sometthing similar [15:25] <DumbleDebbie> under Hogwarts where the Founders are possibly entombed [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, ww [15:25] <futureweasley> Hallows, also could have something to do with the Arthurian Principles...the "symbols" that are the horcruxes [15:25] <harryfreak359> mmhmm Whisperwing [15:25] <Poet> I agree, it can have a double meaning in relation to the horcruxes - sacred objects that house pieces of soul [15:25] <mrobs> theres lots of talk of the Hogwarts grave yard [15:25] <dumbleydore18> I looked up the word hallow and one of the meanings was hallo, so I looked up hallo and this is what It gave me that perked my interest: (used to call or answer someone, or to incite dogs in hunting). to call with a loud voice; shout; cry, as after hunting dogs. . Well in Sirius is one of the dog constellations protecting Orion the hunter. Sirius is the hunter's dog in mythology, could Jo be thinking along the lines of saving Sirius? [15:25] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, those are cool connections FW [15:25] <JaneMarple9> hmmm Hogwarts could be "hallowed" (holy) ground yes [15:25] <futureweasley> the cup, the sword, the wand, the coin [15:26] <Rebekia> yea a horcrux is like a vessel so i'm not sure...maybe she meant that to be deathly hallows or deathly soul veessels [15:26] <mrobs> i love that [15:26] <Whisperwing> Yew Halloo? [15:26] <fawkes28> holy ground is interesting as i think we could see the founders' graves [15:26] <Whisperwing> Wasn't that what the huntsmen shouted in the fox hunt in Mary Poppins? [15:26] <JaneMarple9> it was smile [15:26] <futureweasley> well, they are techincally "dead" pieces of soul...or they will be once Harry is done with them! [15:26] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW, go Harry [15:26] <MrMcGonagall> Amen, fw. [15:27] <harryfreak359> lol Future [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> maybe the soul shards are deathly [15:27] <mrobs> here's hoping anyway! [15:27] <futureweasley> that's what I think too, PP [15:27] <harryfreak359> I think that they could be, Prongs [15:27] <mrobs> Ohhh! Prongs! [15:27] <mrobs> I bet they are [15:27] <Poet> All Hallow's Eve gives us some important clues to the title I think , but we'll get to that later. [15:27] <DumbleDebbie> that one was to DD [15:27] <Theoriser> The Dutch publishers of Harry Potter have put up a working title for the 7th book: "Harry Potter en het Fatale Heiligdom." It may mean "Fatal Sacred Places" or "Fatal Sacred Objects." What do you think of this translated title? [15:27] <JaneMarple9> oh harry will sort of the horcruxes in the first chapter biggrin [15:28] <Whisperwing> They were once relics of the founders, rendered deathly by their transformation into the Horcruxes by Voldemort? [15:28] <futureweasley> I think the translations are so interesting! [15:28] <DumbleDebbie> could be one of the meanings, but I think the translators are just going on their best guesses aren't they? [15:28] <JaneMarple9> hmm it seems to refer to the horcruxes to me [15:28] <mrobs> me too [15:28] <futureweasley> they really help us to better form our opinions [15:28] <Inkreader13> I think it's telling us that we are going to go to a place in the books where death has happened. Godric's Hollow maybe [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think the title connects in many different ways to the plot as we know it so far [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it's too early to make a translation without a context, i mean the story [15:28] <cbm> None of the translated titles mean anything until the translators have talked to JKR [15:28] <MrMcGonagall> Interesting, but I rather think they're guessing. [15:28] <fawkes28> I think it is interesting that it could mean places or objects - Jo really likes to keep us guessing [15:28] <Poet> Yes, and the places where they are located are just as deadly as the objects themselves, knowing what Voldemort has done in the way of protections [15:28] <DumbleDebbie> yes, PP I think it'll be multiple meanings [15:28] <mrobs> maybe it will be both [15:28] <Whisperwing> Sacred Bojects or Places, either way sounds likely, and it's good it can be translated as both [15:28] <Whisperwing> er, Objects [15:28] <JaneMarple9> and they could make the title mean anything, in their particular language [15:28] <dumbleydore18> I am not taking any head into the translations of other languages, I mean they seem interesting, but isn't it jo who decides what the translations are in other languages? [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cbm, [15:29] <futureweasley> maybe it's a play on words...meaning both places and objects [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> well, looking at it in the context of the Wizarding World, what is it that they revere? [15:29] <Theoriser> I guess it makes it seem like it really is the horcruxes that the title is referring to [15:29] <fawkes28> I think it is interesting translating it to other languages because it allows us to analyzes the meaning of words on a deeper level [15:29] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [15:29] <Poet> I agree JaneMarple9 . Hallows is a part of British mythology, so it may not have an exact translation [15:29] <DumbleDebbie> but there are other translations with a totally different spin [15:29] <JaneMarple9> no i still think the deathly hallow is a object [15:29] <Whisperwing> Many wizards revere Power, or Status... [15:29] <mrobs> well the title has got to be referring to horcruxes somehow [15:29] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I don't think Jo speaks Dutch, so she probably doesn't dictate how it ought to be translated. Especially as this is a "working" translation. [15:30] <Whisperwing> Not necessarily, mrobs [15:30] <Poet> Right MrMcGonagall - only Book 7 can tell us what the title really means wink [15:30] <fawkes28> she does use other languages though when she thinks about words [15:30] <futureweasley> well, I'm sure she likely had to "approve" the translations [15:30] <dumbleydore18> I should refrase what i said...I am not taking into any head of the other book title translations until jo announces what the other countries translation is... [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> I would be more interested in seeing a Portugese translation, esp because JKR speaks that language [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> in portuguese the title was once tranlated as Consecrated Mortals, it's the most literal i can get, and has nothing to do with the original in English, so here you go [15:30] <Whisperwing> Maybe harry's going to find Avalon and bring King Arthur to rescue England at last. [15:30] <harryfreak359> yes, Poet [15:30] <Poet> Someday we'll have the official titles, but many won't be until after Book 7 is released I imagine [15:30] <JaneMarple9> it could refer to anything smile [15:30] <dumbleydore18> I like looking at the translations but not taking anything to heed until I know what the others are for sure... [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> and as much as we think we can guess, and as much as we'll find one of the meanings early in book 7, there's probably another that we would never guess until we read the entire text [15:31] <Whisperwing> oh boy that ham smells good... er, sorry. [15:31] <fawkes28> Yes, and it is never the same meaning when it is translated [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> that is a very interesting idea, ww [15:31] *** Dogssie has joined #lounge [15:31] <cbm> I am making lasagne, it smells good also [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi dogssie [15:31] <JaneMarple9> we're all discussing it and perhaps Jo is laughing at us, sayings how long we are! [15:31] <MrMcGonagall> Hallows is such an unusual word even in English, that it can't be easy to translate. [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [15:31] <fawkes28> hi dogssie [15:31] <Dogssie> hey :3 [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> right Mr. M [15:31] <harryfreak359> hi dogssie [15:31] <Dogssie> Thanks for the warm greeting [15:31] <JaneMarple9> wrong* too! [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> hello, dossie [15:31] <Theoriser> hi Dogssie [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> it's current use is mostly as a verb, but it seems to be used as a noun in the title [15:31] <Poet> And not all other countries even have All Hallows' Eve [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> didn't she say that we would learn more about the Founders in the last book? [15:32] <mrobs> yes [15:32] <Whisperwing> I'm not long at all, I'm just under 5 feetm 4 inches [15:32] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that day will probably play a big role in the plot [15:32] <DumbleDebbie> and teh veil [15:32] <Expelliarmas> we don't know a whole lot about the other founders [15:32] <cbm> the only place I have seen a definition as a noun is in the OED [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> it's not hehehe there's no consense of that translation at least here in Brazil. It's terrible hehehe [15:32] <JaneMarple9> be interesting to learn more about the founders [15:32] <fawkes28> it does seem to be a noun, debbie [15:32] <dumbleydore18> "fatal Sacred Objects" well the necklace was fatal and it was sacred to Voldemort or Slytherin...so maybe the next Horcuxes are going to be fatal and sacred [15:32] <Poet> Yes, and we already know that Voldemort wanted objects that belonged to them [15:32] <JaneMarple9> we know a little about slytherin and gryffindor [15:32] <mrobs> i think we will learn a lot more about the founders actually [15:33] <Theoriser> the 'fatal' in the translation goes against it being 'deathly' and not 'deadly' a little [15:33] <mrobs> particularly the relationship between Slytherein and Gryffindor [15:33] <JaneMarple9> i am more interested in rowena ravenclaw....i am sure that jo said ravenclaw will have their day [15:33] <Poet> Just look at Harry in Book 2 pulling that sword out of a hat (like pulling a sword out of stone) wink [15:33] <Theoriser> it's more like the objects can actually cause death [15:33] <Expelliarmas> yes fatal in that title would take away the sense of silence [15:33] <DumbleDebbie> I would think Harry will need info on the Founders to track down the horcruxes [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps there is not a separate word in Portugese [15:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes, that's cool Poet [15:33] <Poet> I agree DumbleDebbie [15:33] <Theoriser> How did you like Jo's tricky title registrations? Have you seen the other titles that were registered to keep us guessing? [15:34] <mrobs> Yes! [15:34] <DumbleDebbie> it's been done in the past [15:34] <harryfreak359> Yes [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> What words PP? get you chance you are talking to a native speaker of portuguese hehehe ;) [15:34] <fawkes28> there were a lot of other titles registered [15:34] <Inkreader13> yep [15:34] <mrobs> Very intriguing [15:34] <JaneMarple9> yes, that was like a arthurian legend when he removed the sword [15:34] <Poet> There were a lot with founders' names in them and other words similar to deathly [15:34] <Expelliarmas> yes, jo and her publishers love that! [15:34] <fawkes28> some of the titles were too cut and dry [15:34] <mrobs> and lots about wands [15:34] <JaneMarple9> Not had a look at the other titles [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> between "deathly" and "deadly" [15:34] <dumbleydore18> no I have not [15:34] <cbm> I did not pay attention to them, I would of been surprised if they were the title [15:34] <Dogssie> When I first heard the title I suspected it was just a tester of some sorts [15:34] <DumbleDebbie> I want to know if this is the title that came to her in NYC or not [15:34] <fawkes28> i am glad it was not a simple title because where is the fun and mystery in that? [15:34] <Whisperwing> In Battle Hymn of the Republic the songwriter references 'His terrible swift sword', that seems to qualify as a deathly hallow to me [15:34] <DumbleDebbie> but she may never tell us [15:35] <Poet> Of course we know that none of them were meant as real titles - just to throw people off, but she came up with them from the usual places [15:35] <JaneMarple9> the only title I am interested in in "Deathly Hallows" [15:35] <fawkes28> Jo likes us to think about the title and gave us one that will keep us busy for awhile [15:35] <Theoriser> years ago, before OotP was out, I heard that it could be 'the forest/fortress of shadows', which sounds similar to deathly hallows in my opinion [15:35] <mrobs> yeah like Harry Potter and the Return of the Dark Lord [15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> they are different words... mortal, fatal, would be my guess [15:35] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:35] <Poet> March of the Death Eaters was hilarious [15:35] <harryfreak359> lol, that was [15:35] <Theoriser> lol it was [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> For some reason I'm just not inclined to think that the hallows are objects. Don't know why. [15:35] <Theoriser> I thought it was the munch of the death eaters at first [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> it had this title? the march of DE? [15:36] <fawkes28> lol theoriser [15:36] <DumbleDebbie> I think it's more ethereal too Mr M [15:36] <fawkes28> yes [15:36] <mrobs> I think they will be both object and place [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> Me too Mr.M, I still think a lot about the Inferi [15:36] <Poet> Those weren't real titles, but she registered them all the same...There have been 25 or so registered since Book 6 came out [15:36] <fawkes28> Here is a link to the other titles that were registered: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:9356 [15:36] <DumbleDebbie> I think the Inferi have had their 15 minutes of fame [15:36] *** aranelparmadil has joined #lounge [15:36] <mrobs> Me to DD [15:37] <Poet> And it helps her for sure to keep people from writing knock-off's of her books [15:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi aranel [15:37] <aranelparmadil> hi [15:37] <Dogssie> omg hallows is in one of them [15:37] <Theoriser> hi aranelparmadil [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> I think there's more about them DD [15:37] <Poet> Hogwarts Hallows [15:37] <Dogssie> yup [15:37] <aranelparmadil> hello - happy holidays all.. [15:37] <Dogssie> Merry Cristmas [15:37] <Poet> DD's Revenge smile [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> lo anarel! [15:37] <futureweasley> Jo loves to keep us guessing...it's part of what is so fun about her interaction with her fans [15:37] <DumbleDebbie> maybe as a side show Mafalda, but not the key thing IMO [15:37] <Dogssie> *christmas [15:37] <mrobs> I was thinking of the Deathly Hallows being graveyards [15:37] <dumbleydore18> I find it interesting that if you line up all the book titles they come out to be thing, place, person, thing, place, person. if the last title has all three of thse things (referencing to the number 3) what thing, place, or person would the hallows be? [15:38] <fawkes28> the titles are all so different too [15:38] <mrobs> graveyards where the horcruxes will be located [15:38] <Dogssie> An idea? [15:38] <futureweasley> you think they will only be found in Graveyards, mrobs? [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> Inferis are deathly but also can be considered as hallows in the way they were innocent people murdered. It would be a paralel with the christians, you know? [15:38] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder if Hogwarts has a crypt. [15:38] <Whisperwing> thing - Horcruxes place - The Locked Room in the DoM [15:38] <mrobs> well, perhaps the cave was a grave yard of sorts will all those inferir [15:38] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:38] <fawkes28> wb, jane [15:38] <DumbleDebbie> tha's what I've thought Mr M [15:39] <harryfreak359> wb Jane [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> that came to me after the chat on Thurs night [15:39] <JaneMarple9> Shouldn't had clicked on that link biggrin [15:39] <Dogssie> Maybe hallows is where the horucuxes are? [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps harry will go beyond the veil--and find the FOunders there [15:39] <JaneMarple9> ty! [15:39] <harryfreak359> I thought about that too Mr.M [15:39] <MafaldaWeasley> but DD is the only one barried there, right? [15:39] <fawkes28> you never know what secrets hogwarts holds [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> I'm interested Jane because she told us in NYC that she'd thought of a new title that day [15:39] <harryfreak359> Yes, I believe so Mafalda [15:39] <Whisperwing> person -- possibly Harry once he's gone through his trials and come out transfigured into a wizard at the fullness of his power? [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> only one we've been shown mafalda [15:39] <Whisperwing> Hero's Journey / Shaman's Path? [15:39] <JaneMarple9> Hmmm so perhaps it was the "Deathly Hallows"? [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> yes, ww [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> I think Harry may be able to talk to the dead via the veil on Halloween [15:40] <Theoriser> Have you studied the Arthurian/Grail legends? Do you intend to study them more due to their connection to the 4 Hallows/Treasures from British and Celtic mythology? [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> he could hear them, but couldn't make out the words [15:40] <MafaldaWeasley> I remember one of the teacher said it was the first time that would happen, DD. I'm not sure though [15:40] <mrobs> if Harry goes past the veil I highly doubt he will come back I dont think you come back from that place [15:40] <aranelparmadil> the word "hallow" conjures an idea of something spiritual [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> there are some very intriguing possibilites there Theo [15:40] <futureweasley> I would really like to do some more reading about the Arthurian Legends [15:40] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [15:40] <JaneMarple9> he can talk to the people behind them all he wants....as long as Harry doesn't go through it smile [15:40] <cbm> I think that they have a direct relation to the Hallows so I will [15:40] <Poet> My Book 6 reading group spent a lot of time discussing the 4 Hallows [15:40] <futureweasley> hi griffinclaw [15:40] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryffinclaw [15:40] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:40] <dumbleydore18> I am not fully familiar with the Arthurian legends, the grail one yes, but not all of them [15:40] <Whisperwing> Maybe it's a series of places Harry has to journey through, an Odyssey [15:40] <MafaldaWeasley> Lo, Griffi [15:41] <mrobs> I think Harry hears the voices because there are dead people he wants to be with [15:41] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Guys, Sorry I'm late [15:41] <DumbleDebbie> wb fawkes [15:41] <fawkes28> !op fawkes28 [15:41] *** mode/#lounge [+o fawkes28] by Snuffles [15:41] <Poet> There are 4, and they are connected with the 4 suits of cards, the 4 elements, the humours of alchemy, etc... [15:41] <Whisperwing> I've already done a lot of research into those items, especially the Celtic, I have a keen interest already in the Tuatha de Danaan [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> you mean the regalia, yes? [15:41] <fawkes28> I do not know as much as I would like to know about the Arthurian legends [15:41] <DumbleDebbie> and there's already a lot of that symbolism in the books Poet, makes sense [15:41] <dumbleydore18> what are the 4 arthurain legend objects? [15:41] <Poet> So you can connect them to the 4 founders' items that DD described as well [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> there is also a list of thirteen [15:42] <Theoriser> I don't know much about the arthurian legends either [15:42] <futureweasley> wand, sword, coin, cup [15:42] <harryfreak359> I've been doing some research as well, but I have had limited internet access, I hope to learn more soon [15:42] <Poet> Different legends over the ages have had different items [15:42] <Whisperwing> And when Wormtail got his silver hand I was immediately remined of Nuada Airgetlam, the silver-handed [15:42] <mrobs> I'm kind of wary when it comes to things that make too much sense with regard to Jo. Whatever it is will throw us for a loop [15:42] <ProngsPatronus> lol--I thought of Tyr [15:42] <harryfreak359> Everything has a different twist on the legend though, which is sometimes confusing [15:42] <Whisperwing> There's the Cauldron of Ressurection, rather like what the spell performed at the graveyard in GoF turned out to be [15:43] <DumbleDebbie> yes, very much ww [15:43] <ProngsPatronus> yes [15:43] <harryfreak359> yes, whisperwing [15:43] <Poet> A cauldron or plate that fills itself and you're never hungry - this became the cup. A sword, a spear/rod/wand, a crown/jewel/disc/pentacle [15:43] <fawkes28> i have looked up a few books on a book website - i will have to make some time to read them [15:43] <harryfreak359> It's fascinating, Fawkes [15:43] <dumbleydore18> wand= voldemort and Harry priori incantatum, sword= gryffindor's sword...or a snake...snakes are huge in HP, coin= ?????, cup= TWT cup, house cup, helga hufflepuff cup [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> Jo does sometimes lift something from actual mythology, but often it's more loose interpretation. I don't think she would just lift the Arthurian objects for the horcruxes - she'll be more subtle than that. [15:44] <mrobs> i agree Mr [15:44] <DumbleDebbie> right Mr M, I can see her doing that [15:44] <futureweasley> wand = wand in the case in Ollivander's window, I think [15:44] <fawkes28> you are right, mr. m [15:44] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree MrM [15:44] <harryfreak359> I dunno, Mr.M...maybe she want's us to think that though? [15:44] <ProngsPatronus> poet, have you come across much information on the second sword of Arthur? [15:44] <DumbleDebbie> very possible FW [15:44] <fawkes28> i think she respects the legend too much to do that [15:44] <Theoriser> me neither, although it is persuading me that the title is referring to the horcruxes [15:44] <Poet> Even a chess board is sometimes used in place of the crown/jewel/pentacle, so yes there are lots of thing Jo may or may not have used [15:44] <mrobs> yes exactly [15:44] <cbm> One thing about Jo lifting stuff, she always seems to change it to fit her story [15:45] <fawkes28> the arthurian legend could definitely be a red herring [15:45] <Poet> I've heard vaguely of the second sword ProngsPatronus [15:45] <mrobs> plus she knows we are clever and will catch on to that legend [15:45] <harryfreak359> yes, agreed, cbm [15:45] <Poet> But I don't remember what biggrin [15:45] <futureweasley> yes she does cbm [15:45] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [15:45] <mrobs> she doesn't want it to be easy for us!! [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> there is Excalibur--then, there is the Sword of Justice [15:45] <futureweasley> no, she never has...I don't see her starting now [15:45] <fawkes28> yes, mrobs. i am sure she is enjoying reading all of the theories we are coming up with [15:45] <cbm> So I think it does refer to the relics like the legend, but it will not be the same. [15:45] <mrobs> and how wrong they are!! [15:46] <harryfreak359> I know I would be if I was her laugh [15:46] * Expelliarmas hopes Jo is working on the book instead [15:46] <fawkes28> me too, hf [15:46] <Theoriser> How are the 4 Hogwarts founders connected to the Hallows? Do you think the Hallows may represent the Hogwarts founders' relics that Voldemort wanted to make into horcruxes? How might Harry's search for them be like a grail quest? [15:46] <aranelparmadil> I agree expel [15:46] <Whisperwing> Ooh, I just found a brilliant page about the Mabinogian and the Hallowed Objects! [15:46] <harryfreak359> agreed, Expie lol [15:46] <mrobs> i think she enjoys watching us get close and still be SO far away [15:46] <dumbleydore18> Pentacle= 5 points, spirit, air, wind, earth, and water [15:46] <Whisperwing> http://www.mabinogi.net/bibliog_essay.htm [15:46] <Expelliarmas> heya, aranel [15:46] <aranelparmadil> hi expel - how are you [15:46] <Poet> Even the Hallows and grail legends have changed throughout the ages, so like other myths (like the Egyptians and Sirius) I think Jo is using them in her own way [15:47] <DumbleDebbie> good point Expie, although I'll give her Christmas Eve and Christmas off wink [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I think Hallows may include the founders themselves, among others. They would certainly be revered wizards, some of the most famous in history. [15:47] <Whisperwing> Oh. well maybe not the objects so much... [15:47] <aranelparmadil> no! no holidays till the book is finished!! [15:47] <DumbleDebbie> might be relics, might be a crypt [15:47] <Expelliarmas> the founders have to be tied to all of this [15:47] <fawkes28> I think the Founders will play a big role but i don't think it necessarily has to be related to the title [15:47] <DumbleDebbie> might be the spirits of the actual Founders themselves [15:47] <Expelliarmas> I think that's how we will learn more about them [15:47] <harryfreak359> Interesting, Mr.M, but I agree the founders have to ahve somehting to do with all of this [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree fawkes [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> That's what I think, Debbie. [15:47] <aranelparmadil> the founders have been important - in the background but always there [15:47] <harryfreak359> *have *something [15:47] <mrobs> the title will probably be as subtle as the others have been [15:48] <dumbleydore18> I like the idea of there being 4 objects representing each of the founders, there already is one for Salazar...why not the others? [15:48] <futureweasley> well, they never found the grail, did they? I would hate to think that Harry's search would be as fruitless as the hunt of the grail [15:48] <DumbleDebbie> I like how you think Mr M wink [15:48] <Poet> I think the fact that Harry was reading Quintessence and that his power is love, he is like the 5th element that has to reunite the 4. In the older grail legends the land was "ill" and the grail quest was to heal the land by finding the 4 objects [15:48] <cbm> I need to go check on the lasgne, I may be back later biggrin [15:48] <Gryffinclaw> Didn't Jo say that the founders are important with DH [15:48] <Expelliarmas> well, we know Voldemort collected the items as trophies [15:48] <mrobs> yeah dumbly and I think Voldie liked that idea as well [15:48] <Theoriser> bye cbm [15:48] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:48] <fawkes28> the founders will play a role regardless but as a connection with the title, i don't know - i think the meaning of the title is deeper than that [15:48] <Expelliarmas> LV would have seen those trophies as his own legacy [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> but i don't think LV would consider it as sacrad [15:49] <Poet> futureweasley: in some legends they did find the objects. The grail quester has to find the hidden castle and then ask the right question at the door for it to open wink [15:49] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [15:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the spirits of the Founders will lead the unification of the houses? [15:49] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> ive seen that too Poet, Galahad found it and then died [15:49] <fawkes28> wb, pp [15:49] <DumbleDebbie> wb PP [15:49] <Expelliarmas> I think so as well, fawkes; we knew the founder trophies before the end of HBP [15:50] <Expelliarmas> *about [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> I was wondering whether Harry will have to ask the grail Question, as well [15:50] <aranelparmadil> dumbledore certainly believed that the horcruxes would be linked to the founders [15:50] <Expelliarmas> I hope not, Prongs [15:50] <Poet> I think it's the love room [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> "Whom do you serve?" [15:50] <Whisperwing> Wow guys, look up the Gndestrup cauldron, it's in the Wikipedia.... [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe he'll have to ask the hat questions, [15:51] <Whisperwing> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundestrup_cauldron [15:51] <Poet> I think he has to ask something of that love room door to get it to open [15:51] <DumbleDebbie> 'how fast does a swallow fly?' [15:51] <mrobs> oh i think the hat will certainly come in to play MW [15:51] <Poet> He only tried to open that door with his knife [15:51] <MrMcGonagall> Harry Potter & the Gndestrup Cauldron . . .that would have been a good title. [15:51] <aranelparmadil> lol! [15:51] <Whisperwing> African swallow, or Eurpoean swalloe? [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> hehehe [15:51] <Theoriser> Does the title imply that Harry might travel to some gravesites? Which ones? Will Harry find any clues to the Horcruxes or Hallows there? [15:51] <futureweasley> lol, it sounds a bit goofy [15:51] <DumbleDebbie> aarrrgghhh! [15:51] <Poet> When he asked the spinning room where the exit was, that helped... [15:52] <futureweasley> well, we know that the Potters graves will be visited [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> I think so. At least his parents grave he'll see [15:52] <DumbleDebbie> I think he may travel to a crypt with the graves of the founders [15:52] <Poet> I love the idea that deathly might imply a visit to a grave site or two [15:52] <fawkes28> I think he will visit the Founders, Dumbledore's and his parents [15:52] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know for sure he will go to his parents' graves [15:52] <DumbleDebbie> yes, they will FW [15:52] <mrobs> James and Lily's graves, the Little Hangleton grave [15:52] <Expelliarmas> oh, he'd better get on and visit his parents' graves; really, he's waited way too long for that [15:52] <dumbleydore18> could there be more than 7 horcruxes? If each of the 4 founders represents the 4 elements, on the pentacle there are 5 points, with the four elements including one other...spirit [15:52] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow it will have to connect back to the founders. .. some clue as to the unknown horcrux. [15:52] <futureweasley> when I read about the Arthurian Legends...I thought that Harry might find a "coin" horcrux in his vault in Gringotts...placed there by his parents [15:52] <DumbleDebbie> there's one bit of soul in Voldy's reborn body dumbley [15:53] <mrobs> but 7 is the magic number - literally [15:53] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr.M [15:53] <Poet> Since one of the Hallows (and one of the founders) may be connected with Earth - like think Harry has at least one underground adventure [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> that would be the 5th [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> yes, I think one of them is in Gringott's [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe it was already the cave, poet [15:53] <JaneMarple9> at the moment I am "floating" around, so if I am quiet...I'm away from keyboard biggrin sorcerer [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps the Chamber if SecretS is exactly what it means [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> that was pretty watery though (the cave) [15:53] <dumbleydore18> voldy can be "spirit" how neat... [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> or chamber. i liked the idea [15:53] <Poet> dumbleydore18: Harry's power is love, so I think he may represent the 5th point or element [15:53] <Expelliarmas> an evil spirit, that is [15:53] <fawkes28> do you think slytherin's grave is down there, PP? [15:54] <dumbleydore18> lol [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> digested by his own basalisk? wink This post has been edited by futureweasley: Dec 24 2006, 07:42 PM |
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[15:54] <ProngsPatronus> I am thinking that JKR is very picky about the exact words she uses
[15:54] <Poet> I've always wondered if there is something buried below the feet of Slytherin's in the CoS [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> interesting thought fawkes, but i think not :P [15:54] <mrobs> ewww [15:54] <Expelliarmas> ss' grave would likely not be at hogwarts as he left it [15:54] <JaneMarple9> thats a idea...behind SS statue> [15:54] <Dogssie> gtg [15:54] *** Dogssie has quit [Bye] [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> i think he fought the others, why he would be barried there? [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye dogssie [15:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I can't see Slytherin being buried with the other founders. [15:55] <JaneMarple9> I think the chamber of secrets will reappear [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> because he is a Founder--and that is a claim to fame [15:55] <mrobs> yes [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> burried, sorry hehehe smile [15:55] <Poet> Maybe one of the Horcruxes was buried with someone that Voldie killed [15:55] <dumbleydore18> there could be alot of people or objects or places taht could represent the four elements plus spirit...the veil could be spirit, harry can be too [15:55] <mrobs> i think everywhere Harry has been will reappear [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> a Slytherin would want to be connected to his greatest success [15:55] <Expelliarmas> ss turned his back on hogwarts [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, the Inferi that jumoed out of the lake when Harry said accio horcrux. that was my thought when i read the title [15:56] <Expelliarmas> but I do believe, LV planted something at hogwarts when he interviewed for the DADA job and jinxed it [15:56] <mrobs> remember she said that Harry needed to go to a lot of places in book 5...she wanted to show us places before Book 7 [15:56] <harryfreak359> I think so too, Expie [15:56] <Poet> I agree Expelliarmas - Hogwarts is very important to him [15:56] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know he met with DD--but we don't know if that is the only place he went while there [15:56] <Whisperwing> I'm going to laugh if a Horcrux axtually turns up stuffed ina chimney somewhere, like the Leaky Cauldron [15:56] <DumbleDebbie> that would bug me Expie, as I would have expected DD to find it [15:56] <harryfreak359> Just something that gives me that feeling, and hogwarts was a home to him, so there fore I think he would have put something in it [15:56] <dumbleydore18> one theory that I had that had to do with clues at gravesites was the fact that there are clues on the gravestones of harry's loved one, his parents, and Dd [15:56] <Theoriser> What are some of the places that we know of that are important or holy to Voldemort and the founders? [15:57] <Theoriser> the chamber of secrets, for one [15:57] <harryfreak359> DD doesn't know everything about, Hogwarts, Debbie, he even admitted that [15:57] <Expelliarmas> DD never found the CoS, and he didn't think he knew all of hogwarts secrets, so it wouldnt bother me [15:57] <DumbleDebbie> Hogwarts obviously [15:57] <futureweasley> I think that his dad's grave is one [15:57] <Poet> Homes of the founders, if we know where they are. Their gravesites of course... [15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> B&B, for sure has something, the Chamber, Hogwarts, [15:57] <Gryffinclaw> Well Hogwarts felt like a home to LV [15:57] <Expelliarmas> for LV, the CoS [15:57] <futureweasley> where he came back to life [15:57] <harryfreak359> yes, chamber of secrets, hogwarts, maybe even the grave? [15:57] <Whisperwing> Ooh, the lands they came from in the Sorting Hat's song from GOF! Fen and Valley, moor and.... what's the fourth? [15:57] <fawkes28> well, he did use the graveyard at little hangleton once [15:57] <mrobs> godrics hollow [15:57] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it would just bother me if it was under his nose all that time [15:57] <Gryffinclaw> The Riddle House? [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> glen [15:57] <Whisperwing> right! [15:57] <futureweasley> I don't know if I agree that godric's hollow is one [15:58] <fawkes28> Hogwarts was definitely important to Voldemort [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, future I also doubt [15:58] <Expelliarmas> not the riddle house; i think he went there because it was abandoned, but it held no sentiment for him [15:58] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think Voldy is too fond of GH [15:58] <Poet> Hufflepuff may have been from Wales (valley broad) [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps Hogwarts is in a glen [15:58] <harryfreak359> Just a thought, what about the house Marvolo lived in? [15:58] <mrobs> there is something about godric hollow [15:58] <harryfreak359> Or the orphanage? [15:58] <DumbleDebbie> he loathed that place though HF [15:58] <dumbleydore18> I dont think the riddle house is one one gryffin because LV despised his Riddle heritage...killing them, so I don't think it would be there... [15:58] <Whisperwing> Dude, she was very keen on having Harry hear that song when he's missed two of the three before it, I have a feeling those four places will be important. [15:58] <fawkes28> i really don't think there were that many places that were important or sacred to him [15:59] <Expelliarmas> LV disdained the orphanage [15:59] <mrobs> theres nothing at the orphanage [15:59] <futureweasley> I can see the Gaunt House...maybe anywhere where LV trusted a Horcrux to be "planted" could be considered "sacred" to him [15:59] <harryfreak359> true, but you never know [15:59] <ProngsPatronus> the one thing about the orphanage imporant to LV is that he learned he was, insdeed, special there [15:59] <Poet> Voldemort chose the Gaunt cottage though it was a nothing little house, still it had been the home of his Slytherin relatives [15:59] <MafaldaWeasley> he also disdained he's father house, but marked there as a place of triumph [15:59] <mrobs> not because LV wanted it there anyway [15:59] <futureweasley> the cave, the chamber, etc [15:59] <DumbleDebbie> didn't DD find the ring there FW? [15:59] <Whisperwing> The one thing from his childhood, he'd already used -- the cave [15:59] <ProngsPatronus> his mother died there--and he has a love/hate relationship with her [16:00] <Expelliarmas> the cave because he tortured classmates there [16:00] <Poet> Slytherin common room and dorm rooms, Borgin and Burkes... [16:00] <fawkes28> oh, yes - the cave [16:00] <futureweasley> yes, at the Gaunt House [16:00] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah the cave [16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> I think there's something at B&B [16:00] <Expelliarmas> the ring was found at the Gaunt house, so i doubt we'll have another visit there [16:00] <Gryffinclaw> Borgin and burkes maybe [16:00] <fawkes28> i wish we knew more about him after he left hogwarts [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Expie [16:00] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think he'd hide 2 in the same place [16:00] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, I do agree with you about the orphanage, hf. I think there is a horcrux in the attic where he killed Mr. Bun. He hid a horcrux in the Gaunt House, and that isn't a place that holds great associations for him. [16:00] <Poet> Inside statues of the founders, or behind their paintings if we have paintings... [16:00] <harryfreak359> Yes, I do too, Fawkes [16:00] <Expelliarmas> b/b would have likely sold it (lol) [16:00] <mrobs> well then Voldie holds places where he commited murder sacred, sure goes hand in hand with Deathly hallows [16:01] <dumbleydore18> all the possibilities! If all these places were true for harry to visit the book should be a million pages long [16:01] <harryfreak359> That was what i was thinking, Mr.M [16:01] <Poet> I like that mrobs [16:01] <fawkes28> Harry doesn't have time to travel to all of these places. Many of them we won't see again [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> I think Band B was a means to an end [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> not a sentimental choice [16:01] <Expelliarmas> maybe we'll have a visit to Albania [16:01] <Gryffinclaw> possibly [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> he was head Boy--he could have done anything [16:01] <Poet> He and Hermione and Ron can apparate of course to places around the UK [16:01] <Theoriser> What is it about the Hallows that make them "Deathly"? Something that Voldemort did to them or the fact that Voldemort's soul pieces will have to be destroyed? Or both? [16:01] <Gryffinclaw> Although Apparation is dificult over countries [16:02] <Poet> I think both. Plus something about the places themselves - like if Voldemort murdered people where he hid objects [16:02] <Expelliarmas> it depends on what we view as "hallows" [16:02] <Gryffinclaw> both [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it is that the only true death is a soul death [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Expie. [16:02] <fawkes28> yes, it does expie [16:02] <aranelparmadil> I agree [16:02] <DumbleDebbie> maybe both [16:02] <DumbleDebbie> now I'm starting to sound like HF "half" wink [16:02] <Expelliarmas> if they are the horcruxes, then the fact they hold pieces of a soul and were created through murder [and are likely cursed] would make them deathly [16:03] <harryfreak359> lol Debbie [16:03] <aranelparmadil> Is a soul not "hallowed" too? [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> and the thing in humans that is hallowed is the soul [16:03] <mrobs> Jo is such a genius Deathly Hallows is all I think about [16:03] <Poet> If Hallows refer to Horcruxes, then they spell either death to Voldemort, or death or something nigh unto death for those who try to destroy them if they aren't careful [16:03] <harryfreak359> Though, I do agree, wtih both [16:03] <Expelliarmas> a soul can be hallowed [16:03] <MrMcGonagall> The curses that would surround them are rather deathly (and deadly). [16:04] <aranelparmadil> what about the fact that she calls them Deathly, not deadly. There is a major semantic difference [16:04] <Expelliarmas> if we're talking about a place, like a different room in the MoM, then it could refer to the silence surrounding the place [16:04] <Poet> Yes, Dumbledore didn't look so great after either of his run-in's with Voldemort's protections surrounding horcruxes [16:04] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [16:04] <Gryffinclaw> but HArry was fine [16:04] <harryfreak359> Yes agreed, Poet [16:04] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [16:04] <Expelliarmas> the difference between deathly and deadly would be ? (expie can't find her dictionary) [16:04] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [16:05] <ProngsPatronus> wb, ww [16:05] <Whisperwing> ty [16:05] <DumbleDebbie> wb ww [16:05] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [16:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi stewie! [16:05] <ProngsPatronus> hey, stewie! [16:05] <aranelparmadil> deadly meaning dangerous. Deathly containing death [16:05] <harryfreak359> hi Stewie! [16:05] <Theoriser> Voldemort is afraid of death, but Dumbledore said that "death is the next great adventure." What might these attitudes about death tell us about the meaning of the book title? [16:05] <stewiegryf> hey all! [16:05] <futureweasley> hi stewie [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> deadly: likely to cause death. deathly "like dead" [16:05] <Poet> "of death" or "appearance of death" [16:05] <fawkes28> wb, ww and hey stewie [16:06] <fawkes28> I love DD's attitude about death [16:06] <harryfreak359> Me too, Fawkes [16:06] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Stewiw [16:06] <Whisperwing> Peter Pan said that dying would be a great adventure too [16:06] <MrMcGonagall> Death can be scary, but that's largely because it's unknown. [16:06] <futureweasley> Dumbledore also told LV that there are fates worse than death [16:06] <fawkes28> It makes me think that this title is ok and that we should take it with a grain of salt [16:06] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Harry has to embrace something 'deathly' to vanquish Voldy [16:06] *** Mai has joined #lounge [16:06] <futureweasley> I don't know...LV is going to be a wreck in this next book [16:06] <DumbleDebbie> hi mai [16:06] <futureweasley> hi Mai [16:06] <stewiegryf> Exactly...I think that Harry will show no fear of death in this next book. [16:06] <Mai> Hello Everyone [16:06] <Expelliarmas> big difference in the words; deathly being like dead [16:06] <MafaldaWeasley> lo, mai [16:06] <ProngsPatronus> I think there is a major difference between death--an unknown, and the process of dying--which can be scary [16:06] <aranelparmadil> exactly expel [16:07] <mrobs> maybe harry will have to realize that there are fates worse than death in a very personal way [16:07] <Theoriser> nice idea, stewiegryf [16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, mrobs [16:07] <DumbleDebbie> i do think Harry will have a near-death experience in the book [16:07] <Mai> I think he will to [16:07] <Theoriser> that would be a nice contrast between him and Voldy [16:07] <fawkes28> I think Dumbledore has said it because he believes it but also because he wants Harry to believe it and not be afraid of death like Voldemort is [16:07] <Expelliarmas> i think Harry already knows that; LV on the other hand, seems to have missed that lesson [16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> i think harry has already shown no fear in OoTP [16:08] <mrobs> maybe Harry will realize it in a "he will die" type scenario [16:08] <Expelliarmas> death has been a major theme in this series [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry doesn't fear death--he is mainly concerned with beingf dragged into it, and going with head held high [16:08] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it has Expie [16:08] <MafaldaWeasley> as in most of childs books smile [16:08] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie, it has [16:08] <aranelparmadil> death has been a recurring theme, right from the start [16:08] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [16:08] <Gryffinclaw> Lol Malfalda [16:08] <Poet> In Voldemort's quest for immortality he faces the very real chance of hastening his own death - fighting and killing people, changing himself, putting his souls in objects [16:09] <mrobs> so who is going to die [16:09] *** Mai has quit [Bye] [16:09] <aranelparmadil> death and the avoidance of death, that is [16:09] <mrobs> someones got to die [16:09] <futureweasley> that's not the subject, unfortunately [16:09] <Expelliarmas> that's true, but also acceptance of death as I think DD did in HBP [16:09] <Theoriser> Does the title spell death or injury for Harry or any other characters? Do we have any clues in past books about whom may be affected, the types of injuries they might incur, or circumstances that might lead to their injuries or deaths? [16:09] <dumbleydore18> I had a theory similar to that of Evanna's saying that Harry will be able to go into the veil and see what is going on and be able to rescue Sirius or find a way to defeat voldy [16:09] <DumbleDebbie> i don't think the title necessarily means death for any character [16:09] <stewiegryf> Not necessarily the title. [16:10] <ProngsPatronus> well, anyone who has tried to mentor Harry is in danger [16:10] <fawkes28> No, this title does not mean that anyone is going to die - just based on the title [16:10] <aranelparmadil> voldemort is the one who has shown the most fear of death [16:10] <Gryffinclaw> The title doesn't [16:10] <futureweasley> Jo said it would be a "blood bath" [16:10] <DumbleDebbie> I do think that whatever the 'deathly hallows' are that they will help Harry not hinder him [16:10] <Poet> Ron injured himself while playing chess. The chessboard is sometimes connected with the "pentacle" Hallows item. [16:10] <Expelliarmas> Jo has made it clear major characters will die; can't have a war without both sides suffering major losses [16:10] <MafaldaWeasley> No. i can't see anything saying Harry is going to die. Well, I've just looked into my cup, but it wasn't helpful, cause my tea comes in little bags, so, nop. HARRY IS NOT DYING [16:10] <mrobs> the title might not but someone will die [16:10] <MrMcGonagall> Nope. I don't the title indicates anyone's impending doom. [16:10] <Gryffinclaw> but people will die, get injured [16:10] <MafaldaWeasley> sorry for the Caps.. [16:10] <fawkes28> She has already made up Harry and Voldemort's fates years ago - and the title hasn't been in her mind that long [16:10] <futureweasley> we are going to lose characters we love...we just have to face that early and try to press on [16:10] <aranelparmadil> I agree fw [16:10] <fawkes28> Yes, many people will die but the title certainly has nothing to do with those deaths, IMO [16:10] <Poet> The grail legend is one of "seekers" trying to catch or find objects. Harry injures himself a lot playing seeker in the books [16:10] <mrobs> its so hard though [16:11] <dumbleydore18> I wonder who will die if they helped Harry? [16:11] <stewiegryf> Yes we are going to lose characters, but nothing is strictly implied by the title. [16:11] <harryfreak359> Yes, Future, but it will be hard [16:11] * ProngsPatronus hopes like heck that isn't her boy, Harry [16:11] <DumbleDebbie> yes, we will FW, I think we have to for the tone of the book to be high-stakes, Voldy needs to go [16:11] <Expelliarmas> the title itself gives us no clues as to which major characters will get offed [16:11] <aranelparmadil> She has never sought to make reading these books easy for us [16:11] <mrobs> well the title probably has something to do with who will die, even if indirectly [16:11] <futureweasley> luckily, conversely, we will lose some characters we don't love, too! and I think that will help if it isn't one-sided in the losses [16:11] <harryfreak359> No, which I think is a good thing, Expie, it does tell us anything about deaths of characters [16:11] <fawkes28> yes, hopefully it will be a good balance, future [16:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [16:11] <Expelliarmas> no she hasn't aranel, but that's the mark of superior literature [16:12] <harryfreak359> yes, I hope so Future [16:12] * ProngsPatronus thinks of Bellatrix immediately [16:12] <fawkes28> lol [16:12] <Poet> Many times Harry had thought that he was about to die, but fate intervened...his situation had the appearance of death [16:12] <futureweasley> lol, me too PP [16:12] <harryfreak359> lol [16:12] <Expelliarmas> lol [16:12] <futureweasley> that wench has got to go! [16:12] <stewiegryf> Don't we all? [16:12] <mrobs> I like some of the bad guys - I'll be sort of sad to see some of them go [16:12] <DumbleDebbie> not me [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> me too, mrobs [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> I understand that, mrobs [16:12] <DumbleDebbie> get rid of 'em! wink [16:13] <mrobs> well yeah LV get rid of him [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> there is an ancient tradition that says that one's fame is enhanced by the status of one's enemies [16:13] <mrobs> that is SO true for Harry [16:13] <Theoriser> Voldemort's first reign of power ended on All Hallow's Eve when Harry was just a year old. How early in the book do you think the mysteries of that Halloween will be revealed? What role do you think Halloween will play in the 7th book? [16:14] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think we'll know the entire story of that night until near the end of the book [16:14] <aranelparmadil> links with the word "hallows" [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> that's why I don't class Peter Pettigrew as his enemy-- not enough class [16:14] <harryfreak359> I think that halloween will have some importance to the books [16:14] <DumbleDebbie> it's been the hook since the 1st chapter of PS/SS [16:14] <mrobs> I think we may never know the whole story of that night [16:14] <fawkes28> Oh, I think the book will actually end with Halloween - I am more convinced now than ever [16:14] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Debbie. In some ways, only LV himself can provide all the answers. [16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> mmm. I think we'll finally see who was outside the Potters and why, and that will be all [16:14] <Expelliarmas> harry really needs to understand what happened that halloween, all of it [16:15] <DumbleDebbie> I think that's too early for Harry to get it all done fawkes [16:15] <stewiegryf> I think we may find out some in the beginning when Harry visits GH and the rest at the end in Volde's final monologue before his and Harry's duel. [16:15] <fawkes28> I think it will end with Halloween just as it started with it [16:15] <futureweasley> I don't know if we will ever fully understand what happened at Godric's Hollow [16:15] <Gryffinclaw> LV won't be defeated on Halloween this time [16:15] <aranelparmadil> too early in the year! [16:15] <mrobs> No, its too soon [16:15] <fawkes28> It doesn't have to end in June [16:15] <Poet> I want to learn more about Harry's scar and what power it gives him. We already know a lot about the power Harry's mother gave him that night [16:15] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, stewie. I think we'll get some more crumbs early but not the whole story [16:15] <Expelliarmas> no, I don't think halloween will mark the night of LV's defeat [16:15] <stewiegryf> Could be Halloween of the next year? [16:15] <mrobs> and too easy for us to guess at this point [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry will have to come to an understanding of what happened there [16:15] <aranelparmadil> I think it's too obvious [16:15] <aranelparmadil> the halloweeen thing that is [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think Halloween is too early, even if Harry is cutting classes to hunt horcruxes. [16:16] <mrobs> i agree aranel [16:16] <fawkes28> Well, if Harry is not going to do the school thing, then why not? [16:16] <Poet> I agree it won't end on Halloween, but it is a time where the veil is thinner, so I think he'll learn important clues on that day to the founders and his quest [16:16] <Expelliarmas> well, I don't think Harry will go back to Hogwarts as a student, so cutting classes won't be a problem [16:16] <Expelliarmas> apologies to the teachers in the crowd [16:16] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's going t be a piecing together of what happened in GH, and LV himself will provide the last bits of the puzzle. [16:16] <aranelparmadil> I agree expel [16:16] <mrobs> it would be like Jo to make the point that it doesnt matter WHEN LV is defeated as long as he is [16:16] <fawkes28> Jo skips weeks at a time in her books [16:17] <futureweasley> yes she does [16:17] <fawkes28> So she may not this time [16:17] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Poet I think he'll glean key info on Halloween [16:17] <ProngsPatronus> but LV has already said something about that night to Harry--and I think he lied [16:17] <stewiegryf> Even so, four horcruxes in just a few months does seem a tad short. [16:17] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [16:17] <fawkes28> It is a one day at a time process [16:17] <futureweasley> but her transitions are such that I never feel we really "lose time" [16:17] <fawkes28> 4 months - it is doable [16:17] <Expelliarmas> but, I do think there will be a grand display by the DEs on halloween which might reveal some clues for us [16:17] <Poet> oh! neat idea [16:18] <harryfreak359> Hmm, I think so too Expie [16:18] <MafaldaWeasley> i liked your idea expelli [16:18] <Expelliarmas> I don't think LV will be rushed to do all his evil things within four months [16:18] <mrobs> meh, I think they will just go to the headless hunt on Halloween for a bit of a break [16:18] *** peterbb has joined #lounge [16:18] <stewiegryf> Interesting Expie...that would be interesting. [16:18] <DumbleDebbie> hi peter [16:18] <futureweasley> hi peter [16:18] <peterbb> Hello [16:18] <MafaldaWeasley> lo, peter [16:18] <Expelliarmas> certainly not by a bunch of Muggle readers, at any rate [16:18] <MrMcGonagall> The last part of the story of GH will occur when Harry comes face to face with LV in the final confrontation, I believe. [16:18] <Gryffinclaw> hi peter [16:19] <futureweasley> I think so, too [16:19] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [16:19] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [16:19] <futureweasley> wb Gryffinclaw [16:19] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [16:19] <DumbleDebbie> wb gryffinclaw [16:19] <futureweasley> hi reb [16:19] <DumbleDebbie> wb rebekia [16:19] <MafaldaWeasley> lo, rebekia [16:19] <Rebekia> Hey everyone smile [16:19] <Gryffinclaw> Hi again guys [16:19] <Rebekia> had to go to town [16:20] <Theoriser> Does "Deathly" in the title make it more likely that Harry will once again visit the Death Room in the Department of Mysteries? Is it more likely now that he'll travel through the veil? [16:20] <fawkes28> Mr. M , you think it will go right from the battle to the epilogue? [16:20] <peterbb> There's certainly something significant about GH, but I think what we know about it is too vague to really speculate much beyond that [16:20] <Poet> I am very nervous about the idea of Harry going through that veil. [16:20] * MrMcGonagall thinks fawkes may be baiting him. [16:20] <MafaldaWeasley> wow, going thorugh the veil. spooky biggrin [16:20] <futureweasley> I think that the DoM is going to play a role in the book, but I don't know if the veil will be central to the plot [16:20] <fawkes28> never! [16:20] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think the title makes it more likely, but i think he'll visit the room to talk thru the veil (but not go thru it) [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> well, we don't know what happened to Lily nad James' wands [16:20] <peterbb> I liked Evanna's take, it made a lot of sense [16:20] <Expelliarmas> the final battle will be the final denouement [16:20] <stewiegryf> I think we will be back in the DoM at one point. [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think we will see the Veil again. [16:21] <mrobs> I think if he goes through that veil he is not coming back [16:21] <Theoriser> I think the veil will definitely play some part in the book, whether he will go through it or not I don't know [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> It may very well tie into the whole deathly hallows thing. [16:21] <harryfreak359> I don't think the title has anything to do with that at all, but I still think that we will see the veil one more [16:21] <fawkes28> i agree future - i think the veil has already played a role but i do think we will see it again [16:21] <Poet> Harry heard voices beyond that veil, so that is a strong clue to me that we'll see it again [16:21] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't think he'll go through the veil. [16:21] <Expelliarmas> I don't think the veil room is the room where death is studied; i think it's a portal room [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I agree [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> we will see the veil again [16:21] <mrobs> it goes back to everything Harry has encountered will come into play again [16:21] <peterbb> I agree with Harryfreak, it probably has nothing to do with whatever the DHs are, but we'll see the veil again [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think he may want to listen more closely to the voices he hears on the other side, but I'm not so sure he'll have to go through the veil. [16:22] <MafaldaWeasley> he heard it, Luna too. i think it's the reason cause they saw somebody die [16:22] <DumbleDebbie> I think the veil has more of a role to play because it's clearly connected with death, and what we've seen so far left us with more questions than answers [16:22] <Poet> And we know that they used the Death Room for studying the subject rather than for putting people to death, so Harry may learn some important things about death there. [16:22] <stewiegryf> I must be off again. Merry Christmas all! [16:22] <fawkes28> The veil is one of those mysteries that I think Harry needs to figure out in order for him to be fully satisified [16:22] <futureweasley> merry christmas stewie [16:22] <Expelliarmas> bye stewie [16:22] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [16:22] <Poet> Bye stewiegryf [16:22] <harryfreak359> bye stewie! [16:22] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [16:22] <mrobs> you know what else I think we will see - the mirror of erised [16:23] <peterbb> mrobs, that's interesting. You don't think it fulfilled its purpose in the first book? [16:23] <Expelliarmas> i don't see Harry going through the veil; but with a nice shove, LV could be sent on his way [16:23] <JaneMarple9> I really hope so mrob [16:23] <Poet> Yes, both are like doorways [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> LOL Expie [16:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [16:23] <mrobs> No I dont peter [16:23] <JaneMarple9> that was one of rowlings best inventions [16:23] <peterbb> hmm, we definately could see it again. Any ideas where or how? [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps that is where the Draught of Living Death will come in--perhaps Harry will use it to go beyond the veil [16:23] <mrobs> I think it could be a horcrux [16:24] <DumbleDebbie> yesh, the draught may play a part [16:24] <fawkes28> that is interesting, PP [16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh, that was a nice thougth, PP [16:24] <Theoriser> Have you studied the the various forms of the "hero's journey"? If Harry goes through the veil, will we get to see the land of the dead? How will he get there, and will he be able to return to the land of the living? [16:24] <fawkes28> it ties nicely into the title of deathly too [16:24] <DumbleDebbie> that would certainly make a person look deathly wouldn't it? [16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> and it fits "like dead" [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> yes [16:24] <JaneMarple9> I don't like the idea land of the dead [16:24] <fawkes28> I think Harry will definitely see the land of the dead in some way and I think he will return [16:24] <JaneMarple9> too depressing smile [16:24] <Gryffinclaw> No neither do I JAne [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> and--it was mentioned right at the beginning of his Potions class [16:24] <dumbleydore18> I have to go, more x-mas shopping! [16:25] <dumbleydore18> It has been fun! [16:25] <peterbb> Theoriser, I haven't studied it per se, but I think that's a distinct possibility. Maybe even the final battle will be in the land of the dead. But even for Harry Potter, death is final I think. [16:25] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't wanna see any dead or any deadland [16:25] <ProngsPatronus> won't a bezoar cure that? [16:25] <DumbleDebbie> I'm thinking a crypt under Hogwarts might serve that role, as a 'land of the dead' [16:25] <DumbleDebbie> bye dumbley [16:25] <fawkes28> it is a hero's journey that harry has been taking and in some way he will have to go through this task [16:25] <ProngsPatronus> Harry certainly knows about those [16:25] <dumbleydore18> bye [16:25] <JaneMarple9> last minute shopper dumbly? smile [16:25] <aranelparmadil> bye dd [16:25] *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [16:26] <JaneMarple9> yes it may be connected with hogwarts [16:26] <DumbleDebbie> he does have a brush with death at the end of every book, much more so he'll need to for this one as it's the last [16:26] <MafaldaWeasley> imagine: hello, mom, dad, Prof DD... how are u doing? I just stop to say hi and I'm out of here cause I really don't like the way Snape is looking at me [16:26] <fawkes28> Harry will have to descend into the underworld in order to be enlightened and complete his quest of defeating Voldemort [16:26] <Theoriser> it would be awful if he couldn't get back to the land of the living [16:26] <MafaldaWeasley> no!!! poor Harry!!! i think now he's really on his own [16:26] <ProngsPatronus> yes--each descent has been more harrowing than the last [16:26] <JaneMarple9> that is why I think the chamber of secrets will reappear....secrets pural, more than one [16:27] <ProngsPatronus> so this descent will be the most dangerous of all [16:27] <JaneMarple9> yes harry has dealt with death in each book [16:27] <DumbleDebbie> yes it will PP, and I think he'll come closest to actually dying in this one [16:27] <JaneMarple9> even in book 1, he came close to dying [16:27] <DumbleDebbie> but I'm holding out hope for his ultimate survival [16:27] <MafaldaWeasley> he already had in OoTP [16:27] <mrobs> maybe he will die [16:27] <fawkes28> going to the world of the dead and returning is no easy task [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it is the Veil that is the Hallows [16:28] <peterbb> I honestly hope he dies, as morbid as that sounds. It would make the books have more emotional impact and less of a hollywood ending. [16:28] <JaneMarple9> oh there is no doubt in my mind that Harry will surrive to the end of book 7 [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> and its not very nice as well. It's just too cruel. i don't think he'll go anywhere to the land of the dead [16:28] <DumbleDebbie> awww peter sad [16:28] <Poet> Knowing Jo, I think it's unlikely that Harry could return from a journey beyond that veil, unless he has some special potion or makes a deal or has a special person to ferry him... [16:28] <JaneMarple9> and then we'll have a "happy ever after" ending for once [16:28] <DumbleDebbie> I think we'll *think* he's a goner for a while, but I'm hoping for a phoenix moment after that [16:29] <Expelliarmas> boy, that would open up a whole new can of worms which it might be too late in the series to answer, Poet [16:29] <Poet> Right DumbleDebbie [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> Fawkes as psychopomp? [16:29] <MafaldaWeasley> It's just to cruel, bein reunited with your family and dear friends and having to get back. i just can't see it happen. harry has already suffered too much [16:29] <Theoriser> Harry has been protected from death at least twice by his mother's love. Might love factor into Harry's ability to overcome whatever is "Deathly" about Book 7? [16:29] <futureweasley> I think it's worse for some people to live with the knowledge of what they've done [16:29] <harryfreak359> Possibly, it really depends on what is "deathly" though [16:29] <aranelparmadil> Dd made it clear that love was Harry's greatest weapon against LV [16:29] <futureweasley> yes, I think love is the key to all of it [16:29] <JaneMarple9> yes peter pettrigrew must feel wretched [16:29] <DumbleDebbie> I think it's the only thing that will define his ability to overcome voldy [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> I think the death of hope is more cruel than death of the body [16:30] <peterbb> Theoriser, love was too important earlier to be gone now, so it will be crucial somehow [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> Love will be the key [16:30] <futureweasley> right Prongs, I completely agree [16:30] <aranelparmadil> I agree [16:30] <Expelliarmas> i don't think it will be his mother's love protecting him this time; but love will have a big impact [16:30] <JaneMarple9> because he sent harry's parents to their death, and now he has a debt to harry. Harry saved Pettrigrew [16:31] <aranelparmadil> Perhaps Ron will die to save Harry this time... [16:31] <DumbleDebbie> I think it'll be his own Expie for others (maybe even for an enemy) [16:31] <peterbb> ooh, a final battle in the land of the dead could make his mother's love much more concrete, since she could be there... [16:31] <JaneMarple9> and Dumble said Harry would be glad he saved peter one day [16:31] <fawkes28> Love and Death are two prominent themes - interesting how they are opposites and they play such a big role in the series [16:31] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie, it will some other love [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, i'm afraid too aranel sad [16:31] <futureweasley> I hope not! [16:31] <JaneMarple9> yes, I agree love is important [16:31] <JaneMarple9> but so is death [16:31] <DumbleDebbie> hope not what FW? [16:31] <aranelparmadil> I really do think one of the Three will die [16:31] <fawkes28> Yes, I don't think we will see a repeat of the type of sacrifical love that Lily showed [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> really? [16:31] <Expelliarmas> love propelling one of the trio to make a sacrifice? [16:31] <DumbleDebbie> I do fawkes [16:31] <peterbb> That was my pet theory for awhile Aranel, but I think he and Hermione will be the grieving survivors [16:31] <JaneMarple9> yes, I am afraid I do too [16:31] <aranelparmadil> Yes, expel [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry is capable of that sort of Love [16:32] <futureweasley> DD thinks that Harry ability to love is key to LV's defeat. I know I'm not DD's biggest fan, but I think he's got this one right [16:32] <Expelliarmas> i think so as well, aranel [16:32] <JaneMarple9> one of the trio are for the chop sad [16:32] <DumbleDebbie> yay FW smile [16:32] <fawkes28> but not in the same way - by shielding Harry [16:32] <aranelparmadil> I think so, Jane [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I think Neville is, too [16:32] <MafaldaWeasley> exactly fawkes [16:32] <peterbb> I think Harry dies, and Ron and Hermione live. It just is the most "correct" ending for me emotionally [16:32] <DumbleDebbie> gotcha fawkes [16:32] <JaneMarple9> not sure which one. Hermione and Ron are so protective of harry [16:32] <peterbb> Kinda a phantom of the opera ending almost [16:32] <DumbleDebbie> I think Harry will play out the Lily role this time [16:32] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Neville is surviving [16:33] * JaneMarple9 not listening to prongs! Neville will survive biggrin [16:33] <futureweasley> I think that ability is going to have little to do with who dies...it's who's in the wrong place at the wrong time [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> I didn't say he would die--only that he is capable of a self-sacrificing love [16:33] <aranelparmadil> If Lily's death saved Harry, maybe Harry being a willing sacrifice could save everyone else [16:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes PP [16:33] <JaneMarple9> erhaps hermione will learn too much about something [16:34] <peterbb> Exactly aranel [16:34] <DumbleDebbie> right aranel [16:34] <aranelparmadil> Harry as Jesus figure.... [16:34] <JaneMarple9> and die protecting harry [16:34] * ProngsPatronus is hoping really, really hard that Harry does not die [16:34] <DumbleDebbie> but I'm hoping the shared blood will trigger a phoenix moment for Harry and make him live [16:34] <aranelparmadil> me too, but Jo never makes it easy, remember [16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> omg! this is too dark hehehe smile [16:34] * ProngsPatronus sighs [16:35] * JaneMarple9 is really hoping all the "goodies" survive [16:35] <DumbleDebbie> the series has gotten dark Mafalda wink [16:35] * Poet sighs too [16:35] <Expelliarmas> jo has made it clear she will tell her story her way; "easy" is not part of the game plan [16:35] <DumbleDebbie> I think that's too much to hope for Jane [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> such a thing to be talking about near Christmas [16:35] <peterbb> I just think that's cheesy DumbleDebbie. I mean, Jo could make anything cool, but she's not one for the "Oh look! Sirius is still alive" type endings [16:35] <aranelparmadil> The series is dark because the fight against evil cannot be all pink and fluffy [16:35] <fawkes28> Yes, aranel, I think that Harry may actually do that [16:35] <Theoriser> Do you think Book 7 will be released on or just before Halloween 2007? Why or why not? [16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> seriously. I think Ron dies. The others will survive [16:35] <JaneMarple9> dark? biggrin I think book 7 will be coming with a wheelbarrow and a health warning!!! [16:35] <futureweasley> I don't know about the release date [16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> on halloween [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> lol jane [16:36] <Poet> Halloween time is one that is highly possible [16:36] <DumbleDebbie> I'm hoping that it'll be later rather than soooner. I don't want the speculating time to be over happy_crying [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> well, there is this curious thing I found the other day [16:36] <JaneMarple9> yes, I think it will be released on Hallowe'en 2007 [16:36] <aranelparmadil> especially as July is when the film is due out [16:36] <Poet> Especially with a title like it has [16:36] <futureweasley> I think it will be winter solstice, personally. It would give kids a chance to read it over vacation, rather than in the middle of the school year [16:36] <JaneMarple9> seems so long to wait though sad [16:36] <fawkes28> I like Mr. M's idea smile [16:36] <aranelparmadil> they are unlikely to put film and book out at the same time [16:36] <peterbb> It would be really cool on halloween [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> JKR's mother died on Dec. 30th, 1990 [16:36] <Expelliarmas> i have no ideas as to the release date; Jo should take as much time as she wants and write her brains out [16:36] <MafaldaWeasley> say it PP smile [16:36] <DumbleDebbie> Mr. M thinks it'll be on All Souls Day (Nov 2nd) [16:36] <harryfreak359> I hope that it will be around Halloween, i think that would be perfect [16:36] <peterbb> anyone know what day of the week halloween is? [16:37] <DumbleDebbie> Hallooween is in the middle of the week [16:37] <fawkes28> future, winter solstice is actually a friday too [16:37] <aranelparmadil> I don't think she will have released the title if it was going to be over a year till release, anyway [16:37] <Poet> A wednesday [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> maybe she will honour hwer mother with a book release on that day [16:37] <harryfreak359> Just enough time to theorize, yet, not so far away... [16:37] <fawkes28> i think the best chance we have is either Nov. 2nd or Winter Solistice next year [16:37] <futureweasley> yes, that would be a great tribute to her mom [16:37] <DumbleDebbie> that would be neat PP happy_crying [16:37] <JaneMarple9> 31st....a wednesday [16:37] <fawkes28> summer 07 is far too soon for me [16:37] * futureweasley is actually tearing up at the prospect [16:37] <DumbleDebbie> mee too fawkes [16:37] <aranelparmadil> I on't care how long she takes. I want it to be perfect [16:37] * ProngsPatronus is, too [16:37] * harryfreak359 hands Future the tissues [16:37] <JaneMarple9> awww Poet got to a calendar before me! biggrin sad [16:37] <futureweasley> thank you [16:38] <DumbleDebbie> yes, after the initial excitement of the title I've been sad about it all ending [16:38] <fawkes28> me too aranel! [16:38] * DumbleDebbie gives Future a great big hug [16:38] <Poet> Book 5's title was released more than a year in advance, but it was a cute little kid who asked her in a bookshop reading I believe, and she let it out....sort of slipped it [16:38] <aranelparmadil> she can take as long as she likes, just so long as she gets it right [16:38] <fawkes28> It really is the beginning of the end now [16:38] <aranelparmadil> yes fawkes [16:38] * fawkes28 takes the box of tissues [16:38] <DumbleDebbie> that's whats making me sad fawkes [16:38] <JaneMarple9> It is just that Hallowe'en seems so far away [16:38] <aranelparmadil> kinda sad to be getting near the end [16:38] <futureweasley> it's a beginning of sorts [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> she can take as long as she likes, and her ending will be perfect for the series, no matter what [16:38] <JaneMarple9> yes it is sad the end of the Potter series [16:38] <futureweasley> I can't look at it as "the end" [16:38] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW like the last chapter of GoF 'The Beginning' [16:39] <fawkes28> I really am trying to enjoy every moment i can before it comes out [16:39] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm not DD, see I have such nice memories of my teenager time reading HP. I really loved this time and this will be with me forever [16:39] <harryfreak359> I can't either Future [16:39] <harryfreak359> *sniff* [16:39] <peterbb> Well, think about it. There are still Lord of the Rings fans and nothing new has come out for that in many many years [16:39] * futureweasley comforts harryfreak [16:39] <JaneMarple9> but then we start reading and disecting the series book by book again [16:39] <Theoriser> Voldemort was born as the year died. The 7th book title was released on the first day of winter. What significance do you see in these times of year, especially considering the title of the book? [16:39] <aranelparmadil> I would be one of them, peter [16:39] <MafaldaWeasley> Like myself! I've read LoTR over 30 times [16:39] <ProngsPatronus> lol--looking for the shades of book seven in the others [16:39] <DumbleDebbie> the excited feeling on Thurs wore off pretty fast to be replaced with a bittersweet one [16:39] <harryfreak359> I think everything is significant in a way [16:40] <JaneMarple9> I bet there is so many things in the six books with important references to the final book [16:40] <futureweasley> Jo makes no "false moves"...every thing is done with purpose [16:40] <Gryffinclaw> I'm with HF [16:40] <Gryffinclaw> I'm also with future [16:40] <Poet> The end of the year is a time of endings and beginnings, thus January being named after "Janus" - the god of doors... two heads fainc g each directions. [16:40] <JaneMarple9> Loads and loads of THIPS biggrin [16:40] <DumbleDebbie> I love that the title was released on the winter solstice, the northern world moving from darknesss into the ight (gives me hope for Harry) [16:40] <peterbb> I think death in general is a symbolic theme, and winter is the traditional symbol for death. So I think it's on purpose, but nothing more specific than general death symbolism [16:40] <fawkes28> I like that the title was given at the turning point when the days are starting to get lighter...it gives us that little ray of hope that everything will work out for Harry the way it is supposed to [16:40] *** neil22 has joined #lounge [16:40] <JaneMarple9> yes and it is a reminder of the prophercy too [16:41] <JaneMarple9> I think [16:41] <Theoriser> aww, that's a nice thought fawkes [16:41] <DumbleDebbie> yay Jane wink [16:41] <Poet> DumbleDebbie: yeah, it's the darkest day with days getting lighter after that [16:41] <DumbleDebbie> I love THIPS smile [16:41] <futureweasley> I looked at the timeline of HBP at the HP Lexicon...and it was just about a year after she announced the title that the book was released. I think that's likely to be the case here [16:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi neil [16:41] <fawkes28> yes, jane [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> well, I am sure this discussion will be echoed many times more [16:41] <DumbleDebbie> that would be nice if we had another year before it's released [16:41] <JaneMarple9> took me ages to work out what they were! Thought they were Ships with a lisp biggrin biggrin [16:41] <peterbb> I think so too futureweasley. Maybe not quite a year, but fall [16:42] <Gryffinclaw> 31st of October? [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> I think it all depends upon how easily the writing comes to her [16:42] <neil22> hello..how's it going, everyone? [16:42] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Jane, I started a thread called "Things Hidden In Plain Sight" in my PS/SS group and later on Evreka shortened it to THIPS in our CoS group [16:42] <fawkes28> yes, prongs and when she is ready to let it go [16:42] <Expelliarmas> not just the writing, also the editing and rewrites [16:42] <peterbb> True. Writing isn't exactly something easily scheduled. [16:42] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [16:42] <fawkes28> It is not an easy thing to pass over to the Publishers [16:42] <JaneMarple9> It really is a great abbreviation Debbie smile [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> for all we know, that may be tomorrow [16:43] <MafaldaWeasley> add translation to that an we have a long time smile [16:43] <Theoriser> Where were you when you found out that Jo had announced the title of Book 7? What did you do when you found out the name of the book? [16:43] <futureweasley> lol, true enough, Prongs [16:43] <DumbleDebbie> yes fawkes, it sounds like Jo has the same bittersweet feeling about it all ending [16:43] <JaneMarple9> I was on leaky! [16:43] <MafaldaWeasley> I was on leaky too [16:43] <Gryffinclaw> At home on my computer and I started thinking [16:43] <Expelliarmas> in a hotel room where I got a text message from fawkes who told me the title was released, but not the title itself!!! [16:43] <ProngsPatronus> it was an item on the online news [16:43] <aranelparmadil> I was in London Theoriser. And I got all excited!! [16:43] <peterbb> I saw it on Foxnews.com smile [16:43] <JaneMarple9> I mean, where else would a potter fan be????? [16:43] <fawkes28> I was at work [16:43] <MafaldaWeasley> I ran to check how to open the door [16:43] <JaneMarple9> and Future "told" me [16:43] <fawkes28> and begging Someone to tell me the title [16:43] <neil22> I was doing schoolwork on the computer [16:43] <DumbleDebbie> eating breakfast, futureweasly posted about it in the Great Hall for the Reading Groups [16:43] <Poet> I found out on Google - I have a "reader" that gives me a feed of Leaky news headlines. [16:43] <Expelliarmas> had just seen Spamalot, I think [16:44] * DumbleDebbie hugs future for that!!! [16:44] <aranelparmadil> Expel told me that someone had tolde her [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> I went to her site as soon as I found out [16:44] <aranelparmadil> told* [16:44] <peterbb> and I ran to tell my sister and logged onto leaky at the same time [16:44] <futureweasley> lol, I didn't know what else to do [16:44] <Theoriser> I tried to go on leaky, wondered why it was down, and then read that the title was out on jkrowling.com [16:44] <MafaldaWeasley> and then when i read the title i went insane trying to translate. i'm sure i've lost a few brain cell trying to do that [16:44] <Gryffinclaw> I saw the discussion thread on unfogging and ran across to JKR [16:44] <JaneMarple9> because I was reading in the great hall and I literally hurled myself over to rowlings site [16:44] <Expelliarmas> that's right, aranel and I were together and the speculation began immediately [16:44] <futureweasley> I actually told the Great Hall BEFORE I went to check it out of myself [16:44] <Poet> When I found out the title I immediately posted on Leaky about the 4 Hallows, then I logged onto Skype to talk to some friends [16:44] <fawkes28> my computer froze right as i clicked on the present [16:44] <aranelparmadil> the speculation is the most fun, expel! [16:44] <DumbleDebbie> I would've been clueless without you Future! [16:44] <JaneMarple9> which of us found out first I wonder? biggrin [16:45] <fawkes28> i made future tell me because i was dying! [16:45] <Expelliarmas> it wasn't me, Jane [16:45] <futureweasley> I was torturing fawkes, too [16:45] <futureweasley> it was great [16:45] <ProngsPatronus> LOL [16:45] <DumbleDebbie> argh fawkes! [16:45] <Gryffinclaw> lol [16:45] <futureweasley> expie, did you find out from me? [16:45] <fawkes28> just wait future [16:45] <Expelliarmas> i had to send out an email and then fw told me the next morning [16:45] <JaneMarple9> I'd be clueless without Gryffinclaw's instructions how to open the door! [16:45] <Theoriser> so I went over as quickly as I could, and after getting the instructions went in and tried to solve the hangman game [16:45] <fawkes28> sorry expie sad [16:45] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [16:45] <Poet> I told all of my family and explained the title to them as soon as I saw them, even though they'd never read the books [16:45] <Expelliarmas> then fawkes sent an exho email [16:45] <futureweasley> that stinks! [16:45] <Theoriser> I failed first time though, had to play the game again! [16:45] <Expelliarmas> *echo [16:45] <Gryffinclaw> My instructions Jane?? [16:45] <JaneMarple9> Never seen so many people so excited [16:45] <aranelparmadil> cos someone told you the tilte was out but neglected to tell you what the title actually was, expel! [16:46] <DumbleDebbie> I woke up my sister [16:46] <Poet> I would have told you the title fawkes - you just had to ask wink [16:46] <MafaldaWeasley> hehehe Poet, I've done that too. [16:46] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Next week, we will be discussing what we voted to discuss THIS week: Lily's Secret. Hope to see you there! [16:46] <fawkes28> yup that was me aranel [16:46] <JaneMarple9> and the corner booth was buzzing on thursday [16:46] <harryfreak359> I had just gotten out of the shower, really...then I was checking the great hall wondering why there were so many posts...then I realized then I started screaming for joy and my mum came running in asking me if I broke something...when I told her she just rolled her eyes and left. lol [16:46] <futureweasley> Also, if you are interested in further discussion about "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows", please check out the "Unfogging the Future" thread under "Flourish and Blotts" section of the Leaky Lounge. Those great discussions can be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/Book-Seven-Unfogging-Dea-f16.html [16:46] <fawkes28> i didnt want to give it away if you guys didnt want to see it [16:46] <Expelliarmas> we were dumbfounded by that, fawkes [16:46] <JaneMarple9> don't know how we fitted all the people in here! [16:46] <aranelparmadil> Thanks anyway, fawkes!! We had a great time speculating [16:46] <Theoriser> What are some possible meanings behind the "hanged men" on Jo's site and in the books (the Muggle pub, the city of Little Hangleton, Ron and Harry playing the game, the hangman game for sale at the Weasley's store, etc.)? [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> might want to mention the Alchemy and Arthurian threads in Obscurus--great background [16:47] <JaneMarple9> well the hanged man appears on tarot cards [16:47] <Expelliarmas> yes, Fawkes, we got to see Spamalot and then speculate on the title; it was a great time [16:47] <peterbb> Again, just generic death symbolism I think [16:47] <Gryffinclaw> I never thought abou Little Hanhleton or the Hang Man [16:47] <JaneMarple9> and that connects with Sybil Trelawney and the prophercy [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> there is a Tarot card called the hanged man [16:47] *** neil22 has quit [Bye] [16:47] <futureweasley> I was wondering that in the beginning of the RG for GoF...it just seems too coincidental that there is a pub in Little Hangleton called "the hanged man", then for Jo to use "Hangman" as her vehicle to tell us the title... [16:48] <Theoriser> yes [16:48] <JaneMarple9> Theres Great Hangleron and Little Hangleton [16:48] <JaneMarple9> I think [16:48] <MafaldaWeasley> yes future, is a lot of coincidence [16:48] <Poet> The strongest references are close to Voldemort's ancestors home.... [16:48] <DumbleDebbie> it is suspicious FW [16:48] <Theoriser> somebody had a good idea at in the chat we had the day the title was released, but I can't remember the connection they made [16:48] <ProngsPatronus> and the snatches of that shattered Prophecy Ball in the Ministry fight [16:48] <JaneMarple9> there's the hangmansrope in borgin and burkes [16:48] <aranelparmadil> speculation speculation speculation. Doncha just love it! [16:48] <Poet> So I hope it spells death to Voldemort [16:48] <Expelliarmas> and yet, little coincidences strike us like anvils on the head in later books [16:48] <peterbb> True [16:49] <Theoriser> and now I think about it, the hanged man pub in little hangleton is a bit strange [16:49] <harryfreak359> Yes, Expie, that's completely true [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> Mors to Voldemort! [16:49] <JaneMarple9> wouldn't it be wonderful, if we could find references to the hanged man in each and ever book? [16:49] <MafaldaWeasley> there's jane.. i don't remember. wow, that is nice [16:49] <peterbb> Well, if you were naming a pub in a town named "Hangleton", wouldn't you use some sort of hanging in the name? [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, the Hand of Glory is also taken from a hanged man. [16:50] <DumbleDebbie> probably they're there Jane [16:50] <DumbleDebbie> really Mr M? weird [16:50] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [16:50] <harryfreak359> Really, mr.M? I never knew that [16:50] <peterbb> I still say it's just symbolism for death, but there could be a more specific reason [16:50] <Poet> Yes MrMcGonagall - and often buried under a yew tree? [16:50] <JaneMarple9> well lets make that our goal! to find as many Hanged man references THIP! [16:50] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [16:50] <Theoriser> What do you like about the new book title? Is there anything you don't like about it? [16:50] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it was considered a good luck charm in England to have the hand cut from a hanged criminal. It was one of those bits Jo didn't make up. [16:51] <DumbleDebbie> I like that it has so many possibilities! [16:51] <JaneMarple9> I like everything about it [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> the Hanged Man tarot card describes him as being suspended between two worlds [16:51] <Gryffinclaw> I like that we know nothing about it [16:51] <aranelparmadil> First time I heard it my first thought was that it didn't roll off the tongue as well as the others. I'm ok with it now. [16:51] <harryfreak359> I likeit because it has given us something think about and make theories about...and the possiblilty for so many! [16:51] <JaneMarple9> what is there NOT to like???? [16:51] <Poet> I like its multiple meanings [16:51] <DumbleDebbie> and it sounds sort of ancient This post has been edited by futureweasley: Dec 24 2006, 08:54 PM |
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[16:51] <JaneMarple9> I like everything about it
[16:51] <ProngsPatronus> the Hanged Man tarot card describes him as being suspended between two worlds [16:51] <Gryffinclaw> I like that we know nothing about it [16:51] <aranelparmadil> First time I heard it my first thought was that it didn't roll off the tongue as well as the others. I'm ok with it now. [16:51] <harryfreak359> I likeit because it has given us something think about and make theories about...and the possiblilty for so many! [16:51] <JaneMarple9> what is there NOT to like???? [16:51] <Poet> I like its multiple meanings [16:51] <DumbleDebbie> and it sounds sort of ancient [16:51] <Gryffinclaw> we have to guess at everything [16:51] <peterbb> I thought it was too obvious before (deathly? comeon), but thinking harder has made me love it. [16:51] <futureweasley> it was the best Christmas gift I got this year [16:51] <JaneMarple9> There are so many things it could mean [16:51] <Expelliarmas> i don't like that i have no idea what she's referring to, other than that, it's great [16:51] <MafaldaWeasley> I love the title cause it gives nothing away. smileGuys, I must go to help mom with the dinner. So, Merry Christmas to all of us! smile [16:51] <futureweasley> siriusly [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> had to get my tongue around it at first [16:51] <Poet> bye [16:51] <DumbleDebbie> that could end up being Harry PP, if he has some sort of near-death experience [16:51] <fawkes28> i like that it is mysterious and keeps us thinking [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> It took me a bit by surprise, but I love all the layers of meaning. It's delightfully spooky. [16:51] <aranelparmadil> I like it cos there is so much hidden in it - gives us something to talk about [16:51] <Expelliarmas> i hope thats not the only christmas gift we get from Jo this year [16:51] <futureweasley> me too Prongs...I still have a hard time saying it [16:51] <futureweasley> out loud [16:51] <JaneMarple9> and no matter what we come up with you can guarentee Jo will surprise us! [16:52] <fawkes28> you think we'll get another one expie? [16:52] <futureweasley> yes she will Jane! we love that about her [16:52] <Expelliarmas> i hope so, fawkes [16:52] <MafaldaWeasley> byebye [16:52] <harryfreak359> bye [16:52] <futureweasley> bye [16:52] <Theoriser> Before the Book 7 title was released, what were some of your guesses as to what the title would be? [16:52] <aranelparmadil> bye MF [16:52] <Poet> I like that it can mean souls, places, and sacred objects all in one - rather than just naming it Horcruxes or something [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> bye, mf [16:52] <DumbleDebbie> *this* calendar year Expie? [16:52] <JaneMarple9> how about if when we get up tomorrow, jo says the book is already at the publishers.... [16:52] *** MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [16:52] <Expelliarmas> i hope so, dd [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> HP and the Last Riddle [16:52] <fawkes28> HP and the Power of Love [16:52] <harryfreak359> I didn't really have any theories on any [16:52] <MrMcGonagall> I had no guesses. [16:52] <JaneMarple9> and it will be published 1st january 2007? biggrin [16:52] <DumbleDebbie> I hadn't thought much about it I guess [16:52] <aranelparmadil> Now that would be a good prezzie, Jane [16:52] <fawkes28> i thought love would be in the title somehow [16:53] <Expelliarmas> she's suddently been active hasn' t she, on her website [16:53] <JaneMarple9> too much daydreaming? smile [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> and I got my wish with the title she gave us laugh [16:53] <futureweasley> I thought it would be "Harry Potter and the Final Countdown"...*cheesy 80's music plays from a ghetto-blaster in the background* [16:53] <aranelparmadil> I was holding out for the Pillar of Storge [16:53] <Gryffinclaw> I thought it would eb something to do with Godrics Hollow [16:53] <DumbleDebbie> yes, she has Expie [16:53] <peterbb> I hoped the title would be something cool but less vague, Harry Potter and the Final Battle, just less cheesy [16:53] <fawkes28> she needs to finish writing it and not spend so much time online [16:53] <futureweasley> lol aranel [16:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [16:53] <Expelliarmas> i had no ideas about titles for book 7 [16:53] <Poet> I thought perhaps "Harry Potter and the Quest for the Horcruxes" or the "Horcrux Quest" [16:53] <DumbleDebbie> I like it vague [16:53] <fawkes28> lol aranel [16:53] <aranelparmadil> Horcrux quest is a bit tough to say! [16:53] <JaneMarple9> i didn't have a clue what it might be called [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> lol, fawkes! I'm usually the one cracking the whip over Jo. [16:53] <DumbleDebbie> so many possibilities [16:53] <Gryffinclaw> Corner Booth Karoke "The Final Countdown" duh der der [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> wow, poet---say that three times real fast... [16:54] <futureweasley> "harry potter and the flock of seagulls"....I just don't buy it [16:54] <peterbb> I do too, but I didn't expect it to be quite this vague [16:54] <futureweasley> lol Gryffinclaw [16:54] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m you and your dreams! [16:54] <harryfreak359> lol Future [16:54] <futureweasley> exactly [16:54] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [16:54] <Theoriser> I didn't think this would be the title, but I thought it would be cool ' Harry Potter and the Lightning Bolt', in which Harry manages to do wandless magic and make a lightning bolt strike Voldy [16:54] <peterbb> it's a great title though [16:54] <Poet> Or Harry Potter and the Deathly Riddle [16:54] <JaneMarple9> but harry potter and the defeat of voldemort seemed just a little to obvious biggrin [16:54] <Poet> ha [16:54] <Expelliarmas> that was a bad band from the early 80s, fw, harry would be too hip for them [16:54] <futureweasley> lol, I suppose so, Expie [16:54] <fawkes28> well at least she didnt change the format of the title at least it's Harry Potter and... [16:54] <DumbleDebbie> my first reaction to it was confused07 then I looked up 'hallow' and saw the archaic definition for the noun form and thought 8) [16:55] <DumbleDebbie> cool [16:55] <peterbb> Do the Hippogriff! [16:55] <Expelliarmas> harry potter and the hidden meaning of the scar and all your other unanswered questions [16:55] <DumbleDebbie> that's neat Poet [16:55] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe Jo needed to pick one of those strange Victorian titles that had several names for the story. [16:55] <JaneMarple9> wow great title Expie! [16:55] <DumbleDebbie> with multiple meanings [16:55] <ProngsPatronus> Everything about HP that you wanted to know--well, maybe not [16:55] <aranelparmadil> Harry Potter and the ultimate triumph! [16:55] <Gryffinclaw> Bit long [16:55] <MrMcGonagall> Something vague then something more explanatory! [16:55] <DumbleDebbie> what size font you using for that Expie? wink [16:55] <JaneMarple9> should send that to Jo, and pursuade here to change it to that! smile [16:55] <futureweasley> lol Expie...that is, in essence, what it will be [16:55] <Theoriser> How do you feel now that the news of Book 7 has sunk in? [16:55] <peterbb> I like Expelliarmas' smile [16:56] <peterbb> Excited! [16:56] <aranelparmadil> excited theoriser [16:56] <ProngsPatronus> bittersweet [16:56] <JaneMarple9> erm.....w00t2 [16:56] <futureweasley> I love it..but I hate it [16:56] <aranelparmadil> Can't wait [16:56] <Gryffinclaw> Excited with a tinge if sadness [16:56] <fawkes28> lol jane [16:56] <futureweasley> it's really happening [16:56] <ProngsPatronus> I love Chistmas Eve best of all [16:56] <DumbleDebbie> very bittersweet [16:56] <Expelliarmas> excited and a little sad [16:56] <DumbleDebbie> mostly sad it's all coming to an end [16:56] <Theoriser> it still hasn't sunk in for me [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> I'm excited to know that it's getting close. I love anticipation. [16:56] <fawkes28> It seems more real now - it was so surreal the other day [16:56] <peterbb> I've been out of the fandom, it took something like this to get me excited again [16:56] <Poet> Even though lots of people are sad because its almost the end, I still feel like we have a lot of time ahead of us to prepare for Book 7 [16:56] <JaneMarple9> very excited for the book [16:56] <Theoriser> and the news of the 6th book still hasn't sunk in for me, so I doubt this one ever will! [16:56] <aranelparmadil> I just want to get my hot little hands on a copy [16:56] <DumbleDebbie> I hope so Poet [16:56] <Expelliarmas> "surreal" is an emotion I've become quite familiar with lately [16:57] <JaneMarple9> the sadness will come when i have read the book page by page [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> lol [16:57] <Expelliarmas> when did you get hot little hands, aranel? [16:57] <aranelparmadil> Oh, expel? Why would that be? [16:57] <Theoriser> that's exactly how I feel, expie [16:57] <Poet> I'm still enjoying and discovering cool new stuff about Books 5-6, so I know what you mean Theoriser [16:57] <futureweasley> I love anticipation, too! Like the anticipatioin to get the new book in my hands and become enlightened by Jo's conclusion [16:57] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [16:57] <aranelparmadil> That's my secret expel!! [16:57] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think the feeling I dread is reaching that last word and having to close the book. [16:57] <Theoriser> I just can't believe that the last book is finally here [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> yes [16:57] <JaneMarple9> and I don't know how I will manage not looking at the very last pages! [16:57] <DumbleDebbie> happy_crying [16:57] <futureweasley> me too MrMcG [16:57] <fawkes28> aww me too mr. m [16:57] <Poet> I'm glad we didn't have to wait too long for the title. She can take as long as she wants with the book now. (within reason) wink [16:57] <Expelliarmas> surreal as in finally doing something i've wanted to do for so long and not really believing i was actually doing it [16:57] *** mrobs has quit [Bye] [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> is anyone going to cheat, and read the last pages first? [16:57] <futureweasley> and I am SO looking forward to sharing all these emotions and experiences with you guys!! [16:58] <peterbb> I'm just determined not to get spoiled again [16:58] <aranelparmadil> I agree poet [16:58] <fawkes28> oh, i never do that jane - never with any books [16:58] <Poet> Never ProngsPatronus [16:58] <Theoriser> no way, I would hate to be spoilt for this book [16:58] <DumbleDebbie> that sounds neat Expie [16:58] <futureweasley> I am going to try not to do that, Prongs [16:58] <JaneMarple9> That what I do as soon as I get the new HP book...go to the back and make sure the trio are still there! [16:58] <DumbleDebbie> no way PP [16:58] <fawkes28> i hate ruining the ending and nothing will ruin it for me [16:58] <futureweasley> but it will be hard to resist [16:58] <MrMcGonagall> Never, Prongs! That would be literary heresy! [16:58] <harryfreak359> I could never do that Prongs! [16:58] <Poet> I even cover up the next sentences with a piece of paper so I don't read ahead [16:58] <ProngsPatronus> well, of course it would, Mr. M [16:58] <DumbleDebbie> I cover over the chapter art when I read as it gives too much away. I also cover the chapter titles [16:58] <JaneMarple9> I might have to sellatape it together this time! [16:58] <fawkes28> it's the last book we have how can you cheat? [16:58] <peterbb> that would ruin it [16:58] <Gryffinclaw> No Prongs [16:58] <Theoriser> I only read the end if it's a really awful book and I want to know how it ends so I can get away from it [16:58] <Gryffinclaw> totally [16:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol Poet smile [16:58] <futureweasley> well, thanks for coming today guys! please have safe and happy holidays [16:58] <Expelliarmas> maybe the final pages will have a spoiler preventer; i.e., you can't turn those pages until the others are first turned [16:58] <peterbb> ok, Poet, that's a bit extreme smile [16:59] * futureweasley starts the holiday edition of the group hug [16:59] <MrMcGonagall> Merry Christmas, everyone! [16:59] * fawkes28 gives an extra holiday hug to everyone [16:59] <JaneMarple9> yes I will have to resist this time [16:59] <aranelparmadil> That would be a good thing expel! [16:59] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah have a great Christmas everyone [16:59] <Poet> Deathly huggles to all of you! [16:59] <harryfreak359> It would be disappointing to know what happens! [16:59] <DumbleDebbie> Merry Christmas everyone! [16:59] <Gryffinclaw> Group Hug [16:59] <DumbleDebbie> (((((group)))) [16:59] <Theoriser> merry Christmas everyone!!! [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps you have to say "revealo" to read the last pages... [16:59] * harryfreak359 gives every a big hug [16:59] <aranelparmadil> Happy holidays everyone [16:59] * JaneMarple9 prepares to be hugged to death [16:59] <futureweasley> love you guys...love the CB...love everything [16:59] <Poet> Cheers! [16:59] * DumbleDebbie wishes future and fakes a WONDERFUL and SAFE trip!!! [16:59] <futureweasley> love Jo!! [16:59] <fawkes28> Wenesday's chat is on the Trio!!!! [16:59] <futureweasley> thanks Debbie [16:59] <aranelparmadil> Have a great day tomorrow Expel!! [16:59] <Gryffinclaw> When is Corner Booth Karoke Night? [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> wow! that went fast! [16:59] <harryfreak359> ditto Future [16:59] <fawkes28> thanks debbie [16:59] <DumbleDebbie> love you too future [16:59] <peterbb> Happy Christmas all! [16:59] <Expelliarmas> Merry Christmas to one and all [16:59] <futureweasley> soon Gryffinclaw! [16:59] <futureweasley> lol [17:00] <Poet> This week is going to be awesome [17:00] * MrMcGonagall sticks sprigs of holly in future's hair from behind. [17:00] <Gryffinclaw> Yay [17:00] <ProngsPatronus> Merry Christmass to all, and to all a good night! [17:00] <Poet> See you all soon [17:00] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [17:00] <JaneMarple9> ((((((Expie))))) ((((Fawkes))))) (((((Future))))) ((((Poet)))))) (((((Theoriser))))) and everybody else [17:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [17:00] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [17:00] <harryfreak359> Merry Christmas everyone! [17:00] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat on Christmas Eve! [17:00] <futureweasley> aww, thanks MrMcG! [17:00] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah we need to finish the Great Hall night before Christmas [17:00] <futureweasley> see you soon! [17:00] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [17:00] <JaneMarple9> 2 hours to christmas over in England w00t2 [17:00] *** peterbb has quit [Bye] [17:00] <harryfreak359> it was a lot of fun guys, thatnks! [17:00] <futureweasley> w00t2 [17:00] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [17:00] <Theoriser> yay I can't wait! [17:00] <harryfreak359> thanks* [17:00] <JaneMarple9> that has whiled away a few hours! [17:00] <futureweasley> thanks for making it Jen! [17:00] <Theoriser> only 2 hours to go [17:00] <harryfreak359> w00t2 [17:00] * Poet passes out stockings and Santa hats at the door [17:01] <aranelparmadil> Two hours to go till Christmas here - and about 5 hours till my daughter wakes us up and demands to know if Santa has been! [17:01] <JaneMarple9> I hope Santa brings everything everybody wants [17:01] <futureweasley> lol aranel [17:01] <Poet> Bye everyone! [17:01] <fawkes28> you too! [17:01] <futureweasley> me too Jane [17:01] <harryfreak359> bye [17:01] <Expelliarmas> have some Ghiradellis and hugs to all aranel [17:01] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [17:01] <futureweasley> see you guys soon! [17:01] <JaneMarple9> awww she lets you lie in that long aranel? biggrin [17:01] <aranelparmadil> I already have, Expel! [17:01] <aranelparmadil> lol Jane [17:01] <Theoriser> lol [17:01] * Poet goes on a hallows hunt for chocolate [17:02] <JaneMarple9> I'm a throughly grown adult...and I am still up at 3/4 am opening presents! [17:02] <Poet> Just type /quit to exit [17:02] <Poet>  [17:02] <aranelparmadil> I'll send you my daughter then [17:02] <Poet> Nice Jane smile [17:02] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody one last time [17:02] <futureweasley> bye Jane! [17:02] <JaneMarple9> no thanks aranel... [17:02] <aranelparmadil> bye Jane [17:02] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] --------------------  Sig Image by Brian Ross (DatM) and avi by Jeffhpfan |
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