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Mr. McGonagall View Member Profile	Feb 11 2007, 05:13 PM Post #1
Playing dominoes with the Fat Friar Posts: 2,189 Joined: 1:22pm June 3, 2006 Location: Visiting Luna to have wrackspurts removed	This chat was moderated by: Aislinn fawkes28 futureweasley Mr. McGonagall SoonerGryffindor Theoriser [13:56] * Topic is: How will Voldemort be Defeated? [13:56] * Topic set by Aislinn [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [13:58] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:58] * SoonerGryffindor does the happy dance because the CB works now [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [13:58] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> bad lag [13:59] * HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [13:59] <HPotterExpert2> Hi guys! [13:59] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:59] <NYBookworm> hi [13:59] <HPotterExpert2> hello [14:00] * ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:00] <HPotterExpert2> What pert of NY are you from, Bookworm? [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, HPExpert, NYBookworm, and Prings! [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Prongs, sorry. [14:00] <ProngsPatronus> w00t2 [14:00] <HPotterExpert2> hello! [14:00] <HPotterExpert2> lol [14:00] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:00] <HPotterExpert2> I love that smiley [14:00] <ProngsPatronus> this has been a very long time coming! [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Prongs is pscyhed for this chat, because she's been waiting for it a looooooong time. [14:00] * dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [14:00] * SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, dd18! [14:01] <Aislinn> test [14:01] <HPotterExpert2> how are you guys? [14:01] <dumbleydore18> hi Mr. Mc-G [14:01] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:01] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:01] * cbm has joined #lounge [14:01] <dumbleydore18> I have a request...can we play anagrams before the chat starts? [14:01] <HPotterExpert2> haha [14:01] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [14:02] <HPotterExpert2> that would be awesome [14:02] <Aislinn> how is everyone today? [14:02] <dumbleydore18> I found some anagrams that you guys might enjoy [14:02] <ProngsPatronus> warm, got coffee--ready to go! [14:02] <HPotterExpert2> Good, and you, Aislinn? [14:02] <dumbleydore18> I'm doing fine, just waiting on the anagram reply.... [14:03] <HPotterExpert2> [14:03] <dumbleydore18> sarcasm as you can tell I don't like anagrams...haha [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> OK, I'll work up an anagram for you dd. Just give me a minute to scramble it up. [14:03] <bubblehead> I love anagrams! [14:03] * HPotterExpert2 has quit [Bye] [14:03] * Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:03] <dumbleydore18> nooooooooo i got some I want to do it! [14:03] * HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [14:03] <HPotterExpert2> darn connection... [14:03] * awlaisis has joined #lounge [14:04] <dumbleydore18> please Mr.McG can I do it? w00t2 [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> go for it, dd! [14:04] <awlaisis> hello people [14:04] <HPotterExpert2> yay! anagrams [14:04] <HPotterExpert2> Hi awlaisis [14:04] <dumbleydore18> anagram 1: ON VALUED LOGO [14:04] * futureweasley has joined #lounge [14:04] <HPotterExpert2> hmm... [14:04] <HPotterExpert2> Hi, future! [14:04] * Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:04] <cbm> hi future [14:04] <bubblehead> umm [14:05] <futureweasley> hey all! [14:05] <HPotterExpert2> We're playing anagrams [14:05] <dumbleydore18> we are playing anagrams before the chat guys and this is the one up for dibs ohmyN VALUED LOGO [14:05] <awlaisis> hi future [14:05] <ProngsPatronus> hey, future! [14:05] *** MirandaV has joined #lounge [14:05] <dumbleydore18> * ON VALUED LOGO [14:05] <futureweasley> how's it going today? [14:05] <HPotterExpert2> not bad [14:05] <Pleshette> Hi everyone! smile [14:05] <HPotterExpert2> this one is tricky.. [14:06] <ProngsPatronus> hey, pleshette! [14:06] <HPotterExpert2> any hints, dd18? [14:06] * SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:06] <MirandaV> Finally, man the past 2 weeks I've had trouble getting in here. [14:06] * fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:06] <MirandaV> Hi all! [14:06] <Aislinn> sooner? [14:06] <dumbleydore18> clue 1: very blunt in words [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [14:06] <awlaisis> i've been ready for this chat two hours already, i thought it was 2 hours earlier..but now it's here so i'm all happy smile [14:06] <Aislinn> lovegood [14:06] <futureweasley> you are here! [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> FINALLY [14:06] <fawkes28> hello all smile [14:06] * SoonerGryffindor glares at Snuffles [14:07] <dumbleydore18> anagram of the minute: ON VALUED LOGO [14:07] <Pleshette> Hi fawkes, Hi Sooner! [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Pleshette [14:07] <HPotterExpert2> hmm] [14:07] <fawkes28> heya pleshette [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> That's it, Aislinn! Luna Lovegood. [14:07] <MirandaV> Luna Lovegood [14:07] <dumbleydore18> Yessssssssssss [14:07] * huebbe has joined #lounge [14:07] * JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:07] <JaneMarple9> w00t2 [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane and huebbe! [14:07] <MirandaV> hi huebbe, Jane [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> yay Jane [14:07] <JaneMarple9> Jackpot biggrin [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> you finally got in [14:08] <huebbe> hello all, it's been a while [14:08] <dumbleydore18> next one... RABBLE SUED MOULD [14:08] <huebbe> getting in was difficult for a moment [14:08] <MirandaV> it was hard to get in toda [14:08] <MirandaV> oops y [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> there was a real scrum at the door [14:08] <fawkes28> Albus Dumbledore [14:08] <dumbleydore18> yesssssssss [14:08] <JaneMarple9> hug all the Boothers hug [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> Good one, fawkes! [14:09] <awlaisis> great job, you're so quick figuring these out! [14:09] <futureweasley> wtg Fawkes [14:09] <dumbleydore18> next one.... MAY MELTING RON [14:09] <MirandaV> good job fawkes! [14:09] <fawkes28> woo hoo smile [14:09] <fawkes28> oh i mean wootywoohoowahey [14:09] <HPotterExpert2> hmm [14:09] * JaneMarple9 pats Snuffles just to make sure smile [14:09] <JaneMarple9> TRomilda Vane [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> no V [14:09] <Aislinn> nope [14:09] <NYBookworm> moaning myrtle [14:09] <futureweasley> Madame Pomprey [14:09] <dumbleydore18> yay NTB [14:09] <bubblehead> whoa. that was quick [14:09] <fawkes28> nice NYB [14:09] <dumbleydore18> NYB& [14:10] <futureweasley> gj NYB [14:10] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [14:10] <NYBookworm> :0 I usually suck at these the ing helped [14:10] <MirandaV> clap NYB [14:10] <JaneMarple9> Very good NYB clap [14:10] <HPotterExpert2> nice job [14:10] <Aislinn> OK, just one more, as we will be starting the chat in 5 minutes [14:10] <cbm> Yeah! [14:10] * Pleshette stinks at anagrams [14:10] <JaneMarple9> w00t2 [14:10] * padfoot27 has joined #lounge [14:10] <dumbleydore18> okay... last one... and my fave character of all time!!! GURU HID SABRE [14:10] <HPotterExpert2> lol, Jane [14:10] <bubblehead> rubeus hagrid [14:10] <MirandaV> Rubeus hagrid [14:10] <dumbleydore18> yay [14:11] <JaneMarple9> that was fast! [14:11] <futureweasley> excellent job guys [14:11] <Pleshette> Wow you're fast! [14:11] <fawkes28> good job clap [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> y'all are great at those! [14:11] <JaneMarple9> whats topic today? [14:11] * padfoot27 has quit [Bye] [14:11] <futureweasley> I typed in Hagrid, then couldn't remember his first name [14:11] <futureweasley> what a dork I am! [14:11] <HPotterExpert2> haha [14:11] <dumbleydore18> okay...so i had my fun...we should do games for the chat for every chat [14:11] <bubblehead> haha [14:11] <Pleshette> lololol [14:11] *** padfoot27 has joined #lounge [14:11] * ProngsPatronus mutters ohboyohboyohboyohboy... [14:11] <dumbleydore18> lol PP [14:11] <HPotterExpert2> [14:12] <futureweasley> urm, well, as nice as that idea is...I think we will probably keep the games for "special occasions" [14:12] <MirandaV> Once we were at a theater that was doing those and my mom yelled out Dweezil Zappa...it was so funny [14:12] <JaneMarple9> laugh [14:12] *** Shard has joined #lounge [14:12] <fawkes28> yes, we dont want too much of a good thing [14:12] <Shard> There we go [14:12] <dumbleydore18> awww ruin the fun for me future lol [14:12] <Aislinn> hi shard, glad you made it in smile [14:12] <JaneMarple9> Hey Shard [14:12] <fawkes28> hey shard [14:12] <MirandaV> hi shard [14:12] <Shard> Hello Everyone! [14:12] <ProngsPatronus> shard, heya [14:12] <dumbleydore18> long time no see shard bye1 [14:12] <Pleshette> I'm very excited about this topic! w00t2 [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [14:12] <JaneMarple9> what is the topic??? [14:13] * Shard is very excited about this topic too [14:13] <futureweasley> how is LV going DOWN?! [14:13] <JaneMarple9> bye1 [14:13] <Pleshette> Whoo Hoo!! [14:13] <JaneMarple9> down down down down down biggrin [14:13] <dumbleydore18> something about voldy kicking the bucket I dunno...heehee [14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> down [14:13] <JaneMarple9> yeah [14:13] <Pleshette> He's toast! [14:13] <HPotterExpert2> bye Voldie, it's been fun....NOT [14:13] <dumbleydore18> French Toast! [14:13] <futureweasley> goner I say [14:13] <bubblehead> He's going to be attacked by a storm of furious cornish pixies [14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hasta la bye bye Voldy [14:13] <MirandaV> Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out LV [14:13] <ProngsPatronus> below below, [14:14] <HPotterExpert2> haha, Miranda [14:14] <JaneMarple9> He seems a really popular character then? laugh [14:14] <Shard> Syanara Voldie, you won't be missed [14:14] <futureweasley> wave your little wand and whisper "goodbye Voldy" voldy, should have said "so long" so long ago [14:14] <fawkes28> and voldy gets no sympathy from the CBers [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> none at all [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> that was one of my favorite filks, future. [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> ding, dong, voldy's dead [14:14] <futureweasley> not even a little [14:14] <HPotterExpert2> I like that filk! [14:14] <fawkes28> lol PP [14:14] <JaneMarple9> Voldie = devil2 [14:14] <dumbleydore18> we should have a Bella chat...I L O V E her...my fave death eater.... [14:14] <futureweasley> mine too...wish I had the brain to come up with it [14:14] <Pleshette> Ba Bye Voldie Pleshette does little one-hand wave [14:14] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:14] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:14] <JaneMarple9> bye1 just like that! [14:15] * fawkes28 thinks this is going to be an interesting chat [14:15] <dumbleydore18> future....how come we always have the same text color??? it's funny.... [14:15] <MirandaV> I have monster respect for all filkers...they are always so great [14:15] <futureweasley> I am, however, thinking of filking "Bye Bye Bye" by N-Sync to commemorate LV's demise [14:15] <fawkes28> future is always purple smile [14:15] <HPotterExpert2> haha [14:15] <HPotterExpert2> that would work [14:15] <MirandaV> lol...I would so listen to that future [14:15] <Pleshette> Oo..that would be a great one future [14:15] <Shard> I like that idea FW [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> that would be aewsome, future [14:15] <JaneMarple9> I change colour regularly biggrin [14:15] <dumbleydore18> hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa future.... [14:15] * Shard is writing down things to mention in this chat smile [14:15] <MirandaV> I'm normally orange, but I changed today [14:15] <futureweasley> I never change...I am always purple [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I am always red [14:15] <MirandaV> I do it in honor of the Bengals [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> and I am always indigo [14:16] <MirandaV> I like being orange [14:16] <fawkes28> i am always pink [14:16] <Aislinn> me too prongs smile [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [14:16] * bohemian has joined #lounge [14:16] * padfoot27 has quit [Bye] [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [14:17] <Theoriser> There are so many questions that we want answered by Jo in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Perhaps the biggest question of all is: How will Lord Voldemort be defeated? [14:17] <Theoriser> Many theories about Voldemort's defeat revolve around love and sacrifice, which open up a whirlwind of questions. Let's get to our chat so we can discuss our favorite theories! [14:17] <Theoriser> The only spell that we know of that causes instant death is the Avada Kedarva Curse. Will Harry use this curse to defeat Voldemort? [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> no [14:17] <huebbe> no [14:17] <futureweasley> no [14:17] <JaneMarple9> I don't think so [14:17] <futureweasley> definitely not [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Heck no [14:17] <JaneMarple9> Harry's too noble [14:17] <ltbrave23> i don't think so either [14:17] * padfoot27 has joined #lounge [14:17] <Pleshette> I don't think Harry will use the AK [14:17] <MirandaV> No way...Sooner and I have been going off on that in a chat [14:17] <NYBookworm> no, I don't think he will [14:17] <cbm> No, he is incapbable of casting it [14:17] <HPotterExpert2> No, he's not evil [14:17] <bubblehead> I don't think Harry CAN use the AK [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Yes we have Miranda [14:18] <MirandaV> or I mean a topic [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he can use it [14:18] <awlaisis> Harry really wants to kill him, so he could do it... maybe [14:18] <futureweasley> I'm hoping that he dies on his own "AK"...poetic justice if you ask me [14:18] <huebbe> I truly believe one has to evil, with evil intent...and that is not Harry [14:18] <padfoot27> hiu [14:18] <HPotterExpert2> that would be great, future [14:18] <JaneMarple9> harry doesn't do really dark magic [14:18] <padfoot27> hello? [14:18] <dumbleydore18> I don't think so, harry wont jepardise himself by using an unforgivable....I like the whole Voldy will die in the veil theory because I have a sub theory based on that.... [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Harry will. I'm sure there's another way. [14:18] <padfoot27> hay people! [14:18] <JaneMarple9> hello bye1 padfoot [14:18] <HPotterExpert2> hi padfoot27 [14:18] <NYBookworm> well that would certainly be a book 1 and 7 link if he did [14:18] <MirandaV> hi padfoot [14:18] <padfoot27> thanks [14:18] <fawkes28> i wonder if he would ever even be tempted to use it [14:18] <cbm> If harry could not cast crucio minutes after Sirius died, he will not be about to cast an AK [14:18] <Pleshette> I don't think someone has to necessarily be evil to use AK [14:19] <HPotterExpert2> But have hatred, or severe anger [14:19] <huebbe> I think it will be after LV has had all horcrux' destroyed, only then will he be vunerable and Harry will get him then [14:19] <padfoot27> what all yee talkn about? [14:19] <futureweasley> hello padfoot...we are discussing whether LV will die because Harry uses Avada Kadavra on him [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, cbm [14:19] <Shard> Ak will not be used by Harry if at all on LV [14:19] <MirandaV> I don't think he's capable of using it, I think you have to have hatred in your heart...and Harry doesn't [14:19] <bubblehead> They don't have to be evil. They just have to mean it [14:19] <Pleshette> Yes agreed HPotter [14:19] <Pleshette> and bubblehead [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I will continue to say this until I read the last page of DH, but there is no way Jo can write someone like Harry all of these years to be so filled with love to have him commit an act of hatred at the end [14:19] <padfoot27> mabe butt ithink it will be something better than that [14:19] <huebbe> agreed [14:19] <MirandaV> And I agree 100% Soonet [14:19] <fawkes28> he may try but he won't be able to perform it [14:19] <HPotterExpert2> Yea, very, very true, Sooner [14:19] <Pleshette> I agree Sooner [14:19] <Theoriser> I agree sooner, it would be very strange if she did that [14:19] <MirandaV> oops Sooner [14:19] <cbm> Harry is someone who does not kill spiders, there is too much good in him to use those tyoe of spells [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Sooner [14:19] <dumbleydore18> in order to conjure an unforgivable one has to mean it and want to do it, I don't think Harry could have the guts enough mean it.... [14:19] <futureweasley> I think that, in order for Harry to remain "pure", that he won't use any Unforgivables [14:20] <awlaisis> Well, on the other hand, he can't really do it if Voldy has the same wand still, because the wand connection?... probably doesn't but.. [14:20] <Shard> There are many ways to defeat LV [14:20] <Shard> AK is just one of them smile [14:20] <HPotterExpert2> Didnt he try to use the Cruciatus Curse? [14:20] <huebbe> LV laughed at Harry when he tried to do an unforgivable in the cemetary [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it takes guts [14:20] <padfoot27> i got orange [14:20] <Pleshette> I think he has the guts but not the intense hatred to kill someone [14:20] <futureweasley> right Shard [14:20] <Shard> But I dont think that will be the way, it would be too easy [14:20] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:20] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:20] <MirandaV> I don't think it's about guts future, Harry has plenty of those, it's about what Harry's driving force is...and that's love not hate [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> an Ak is a coward's way out, and harry is no coward [14:20] <futureweasley> he tried, but it didn't go so well HPE [14:20] <Theoriser> People think that Harry seems too noble to use the Killing Curse. Will someone else use the Avada Kedarva Curse on Voldemort? [14:20] <huebbe> no [14:20] <padfoot27> n [14:20] <futureweasley> I don't think it's a "guts" thing either [14:20] <Shard> Snape [14:20] <Shard> Or Peter [14:20] <futureweasley> it's a "right and wrong" thing [14:20] <HPotterExpert2> with Snape, in HBP [14:21] <fawkes28> i would love for a certain someone to use it on voldy [14:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think that's a more likely scenario than Harry using it himself. [14:21] <bohemian> but only harry can kill v [14:21] <cbm> No, Harry must be the one to vanquish Voldemort [14:21] <MirandaV> No, I think Harry will end it, just not with an AK [14:21] <fawkes28> someone who begins with an S [14:21] <Shard> I do have an idea about Snape, but not sure if I should wait to express it [14:21] <huebbe> DD says there are worse things than death....perhaps for LV it would be reduced to muggle! [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the prophecy states that Harry has to be the one to get LV [14:21] <ltbrave23> i agree huebbe [14:21] <HPotterExpert2> Voldie needs a big, juicy hug lol [14:21] <awlaisis> it seems too simple if someone else did it and with ak [14:21] <ProngsPatronus> if someone tried before Harry is 17, the curse would rebound, I think--because of Lily's protection [14:21] <dumbleydore18> I've always thought that Wormtail (Peter Petigrew) would kill Voldemort and Snape would die helping the good guys (I have my thoughts on snape, but am very unbiased) [14:21] <Shard> True SG but that doesn't mean someone else can't set up the siatuation for Harry to do the final blow so to speak [14:22] * sdcurtis has joined #lounge [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree awlaisis. It would be cheap if Harry had to avoid making that decision becuase someone else did it [14:22] <huebbe> I believe it will be Harry, but he won't use AK, it will be by beating him down [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> Prophecy schmophecy. [14:22] <padfoot27> hi [14:22] <MirandaV> My idea is that they force him to live in the love room...that would be a fate worse than death for him... laugh [14:22] <cbm> Harry has to be the person to do the final deed [14:22] <sdcurtis> hello [14:22] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [14:22] <Aislinn> you think the protection is in LV's blood, from the transfer int he graveyard prongs? [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hello sd [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> hey, sd [14:22] <bubblehead> well if most of us agree that Harry can't use the AK but he has to be the one to do the job, what else could he do? [14:22] <fawkes28> it is possible though for someone else to AK voldy [14:22] <MirandaV> hi sdc [14:22] <HPotterExpert2> hello sdc [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> yes [14:22] <Shard> How do you wishper to others in this chat? [14:22] <Pleshette> I think there is some kind of protection yes [14:23] <fawkes28> psst works [14:23] <dumbleydore18> that's good thinking PP [14:23] <MirandaV> I think it will be along the lines of whatever DD did to defeat Grindlewald [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> it is possible that someone else may kill LV's physcial body, but Harry is going to have to beat him first [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> isn't that one of the reasons he wanted that protection? [14:23] <dumbleydore18> i like the Mr. Blood idea [14:23] <Theoriser> if someone else tried to ak him, even with his horcruxes gone it probably wouldn't work [14:23] * You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> that, and to be able to touch Harry [14:23] <padfoot27> tou peolpe typ too fast [14:23] <Aislinn> I don't think it works like that [14:23] <Shard> Well my idea is this: Snape make kill the body while Harry destroy's the last of the pieces of soul, via internal mind struggle where the aspect of Love will fire HArry on to fight and defeat LV. [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Theoriser [14:23] <Pleshette> I don't listen to PC so don't get Mr. Blood [14:23] <huebbe> yes sooner, by destroying horcruxes [14:23] * padfoot27 left #lounge [] [14:23] <You_wont_know_who> hi everyone, I am finally in [14:23] <HPotterExpert2> We do, yes padfoot lol [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ywkw [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> what is Mr. Blood? [14:23] <Theoriser> The dementors are currently on Voldemort's side, but are extremely foul creatures. Will the dementors turn on him and play a part in his defeat? [14:24] <cbm> If some else AKs him he will be vapormort again, but according to Dumbledore he can not be killed in that condition [14:24] <MirandaV> hd ywkw [14:24] <Aislinn> LV cast an AK vs. Harry in OotP, and it didn't work only because DD blocked it with the statue [14:24] <Shard> Mr Blood states that LV has Harry's blood and thus Harry has LV's [14:24] <Shard> But it doesn't work likt ath too me [14:24] <huebbe> wouldn't that be great? a big fat kiss? [14:24] <bubblehead> oooo. what if voldy got the kiss? [14:24] <ProngsPatronus> hey, ywkw [14:24] * bohemian has quit [Bye] [14:24] <fawkes28> i think it would be poetic justice if the dementors turned against voldy [14:24] <sdcurtis> you know that's an interesting idea of the dementors turning on Voldemort [14:24] <Shard> I dont think LV is a tasty enbough morsal for them to kiss [14:24] <You_wont_know_who> the Dementors are such foul creatures that they might turn on anybody [14:24] * padfoot27 has joined #lounge [14:24] <You_wont_know_who> hi Prongs, nice to see you [14:24] <Shard> PLsu that would take away from Harry defeating him [14:24] <huebbe> do the dementors care? [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> a lot of peple think that maybe a dementor will suck out LV's soul and that's how he will die [14:24] <cbm> I do not think he will be kissed, but I think he may end up soulless [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Me, I do not care for that theory [14:24] <huebbe> i agree [14:24] <Shard> I dont like that idea SG [14:24] <fawkes28> i wouldnt trust the dementors at all - you never know what they are going to do [14:24] <Theoriser> or that maybe a dementor could destroy a horcrux [14:25] <huebbe> true [14:25] <fawkes28> how so, theoriser? [14:25] <Aislinn> I don't think they experience anything like loyalty, so I could easily see them turn on LV [14:25] <Pleshette> That's what I'm thinking theoriser [14:25] <huebbe> they would turn on anyong [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure we're going to be seeing dementors again in DH, but I'm not so sure they'll play a role in LV's demise. [14:25] <awlaisis> i think dementors might be there in the last battle situation... but no, Voldie is too powerful, he could blast them off don't you think? [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its possible, but I can't see Jo writing it that way [14:25] <Shard> I rather see someone killing the body, releasing the last soul and Harry struggling to keep control of his body as the last Soul Peice tries to take Harry's boddy [14:25] <bubblehead> can they simply destroy the soul inside LV like with the horcuxes without actually killing him? [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> I do not think he will be kissed by the dementors [14:25] <You_wont_know_who> a Dementor likes people's emotions - does a Horcrux has enough emotions left? [14:25] <HPotterExpert2> I agree, Mr. M [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> now that I can see Shard [14:25] <dumbleydore18> I always wondered why the dementors didn't "kiss" Voldy. I noticed that in the chapters of the reading groups the thing mentioned about Crouch Jr's mother said that the Dementors wouldn't go near her because they knew she was dieing anyways....maybe the dementors won't go near LV because he is already partially dead...having his sould split 7 times... [14:26] <huebbe> that was also my thought, does LV have anything left? [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe since LV's soul is not whole, they don't want to eat it? [14:26] <padfoot27> they dont kiss him because they work for hi [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is quite possible, dd [14:26] <futureweasley> right DD18, I don't see LV being able to conjure a patronus [14:26] <MirandaV> I don't think he has enough good feelings for them to feed off of dumbley [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> no--but harry sure can! [14:26] * padfoot27 has quit [Bye] [14:26] <MirandaV> don't they only feed of happy/good feelings [14:26] <futureweasley> maybe LV's boggart is a dementor, too [14:26] <You_wont_know_who> and so his Horcruxes - no feelings no emotions [14:26] <bubblehead> LV can feel happiness [14:27] <ProngsPatronus> I think it depends upon what makes one happy [14:27] <ltbrave23> well a good feeling is relative to the person [14:27] <bubblehead> Harry said so [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that they would eat a sad soul if they could [14:27] <huebbe> LV will be weakened....but harry, through inumerable curses will get the best of him and it will be one he.. of a fight [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont they are all that picky [14:27] <Pleshette> I think LV could conjure a patronus [14:27] <dumbleydore18> yeah I think LV can be happy, happy that he killed someone. [14:27] <JaneMarple9> whats question? [14:27] <huebbe> I dont' see it as a quick defeat [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Pleshette [14:27] <You_wont_know_who> LV is happy in an isane way [14:28] <Theoriser> here's a repeat of the question: The dementors are currently on Voldemort's side, but are extremely foul creatures. Will the dementors turn on him and play a part in his defeat? [14:28] <MirandaV> That's true...They don't seem to care and his happy feelings while not making a normal person happy make him happy so he could have his soul sucked and probably conjure a patronus [14:28] <Pleshette> All he has to do is think of himself (stroke his bald head) [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I really don't see the dementors turning on him [14:28] <JaneMarple9> they might turn on him [14:28] <Shard> No I don't think LV has a tasty enough soul. Unicorn tainted, 1/7th of a soul, with Harry's blood [14:28] <Pleshette> Hmm...not sure [14:28] <MirandaV> me either Sooner, they identify too much with each other [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think the dementors will be present at the final battle in some way, but not as an out for LV [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> If LV was in a weakened state, I can imagine a dementor attacking him. Dementors don't really "think," so I don't believe they would have any trouble turning on the boss-man. [14:28] <bubblehead> I definately don't see them helping the good side, but simply leaving him, maybe [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Shard [14:28] <JaneMarple9> as Wormtail might lead a revolution [14:29] <dumbleydore18> but in the sense of a dementor there has to be more than just happiness, like a will to live or having life or having other feelings. or more dispair. I think the dementors also feed off the need of acceptance or vulnerability. [14:29] <huebbe> agreed Mr.M they don't think...they react [14:29] <Shard> The Dementors are nuetral and just want the tasty Souls, not the depressed ones in Azkaban but the ones free and roaming and HAPPY [14:29] <You_wont_know_who> Wormtail won't lead a revolution but who can controll the Dementors? [14:29] <MirandaV> It's like DD said in PoA, which I was just watching, they don't care if you are the one they are pursuing, if you get in their way you're going to get it [14:29] <awlaisis> if Voldie is all about his soul and what he does with it, and dementor's kiss is about sucking out the soul... i could see a link there [14:29] <Theoriser> The giants and werewolves are strong allies of Voldemort. Will they turn against him and play a role in his defeat?** [14:29] <Shard> I agree guys and look what happened at the Quidditch match, they attacked it because there was SOO much meotion in the air [14:29] <JaneMarple9> Azkaban could perhaps? smile [14:29] <Shard> I doubt it [14:30] <huebbe> I dont' see it [14:30] <JaneMarple9> the giants will with Hagrid and Gwarps help [14:30] <Pleshette> I don't think anyone really can control them...how could they be threatened? No souls for you!? [14:30] <bubblehead> I think the giants might turn [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it would be hilarious if Grawp stepped on him, but don't see that happening [14:30] <huebbe> lol [14:30] <Shard> They won't be the ones to kill LV, they might stop the army but I think they will remain "loyal" till the end [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> maybe the giants, but not the werewolves [14:30] <MirandaV> I think the only giant that has a chance of helping Harry is Grawp [14:30] <fawkes28> i would love if the giants stomped on him [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> there is so much inequity [14:30] <You_wont_know_who> giants are bound to help Hagrid, yes, and Grawp will be their leader [14:30] <JaneMarple9> and if Bill and Lupin persuade the wolves possibly [14:30] <MirandaV> and the only werewolve Lupin [14:30] <sdcurtis> It depends on who is in charge of the giants [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> to make up for in the WW [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think they will. Some of the giants might be persuaded by Grawp, but on the whole I don't think a lot of help can be expected from the giants and werewolves. [14:30] <Shard> Yeah maybe Grawp can kill Carcass! [14:30] <huebbe> agreed [14:30] <JaneMarple9> and Bill is half a one [14:30] <Pleshette> I could see the giants turning on him [14:30] <fawkes28> both of these creatures are mean and nasty - i wouldnt be surprised if they did turn on him [14:30] <Aislinn> I think only some of the giants and werewolves will turn on him [14:30] <You_wont_know_who> the werewolves will be persuaded only if the wizards offer them something instead [14:31] <bubblehead> but the werevolves will probaly stay on the side of fenrir greyback [14:31] <fawkes28> all he has to do is do something stupid to make them mad [14:31] <huebbe> it seems that he Giants and werewolves are too minor [14:31] <JaneMarple9> ah but Greyback might not be in DH [14:31] <awlaisis> have we seen giants doing something for Voldie after his rebirth? ..my bad memory, doesn't work [14:31] <dumbleydore18> I don't think so, I think that the giants and werewolves are after their own personal glory and can get it through voldy. I don't see them turning to the good side, especially if Fenrir is the leader of the werewolves. I see Remus attacking Fenrir or getting other ww [14:31] <Pleshette> I think so too bubblehead [14:31] <JaneMarple9> with a little bit of help he'll be dead [14:31] <MirandaV> A suspected act in the beginning of HBP awl [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> The giants might turn, though I don't think it will be so much a matter of them turning to the good as just going berserk. [14:32] <dumbleydore18> continuation of last post to attack him [14:32] <Shard> Your right DD18, but the "Good" side has to give something for them to switch, killing Karcass and Greyback may be the thing to do [14:32] <You_wont_know_who> Greyback will stay on Voldemort's side I think [14:32] <ProngsPatronus> Fenrir is the great stumbling block in the case of the werewolves [14:32] <MirandaV> the supposed hurricane, they thought it might be giants [14:32] * HPotterExpert2 left #lounge [] [14:32] <Pleshette> Yes PP I agree [14:32] <Aislinn> Fenrir does seem to have a strong hold on them [14:32] <awlaisis> oh yeah, that [14:32] <Aislinn> I wonder what happened to him, after the battle at Hogwarts [14:32] * padfoot27 has joined #lounge [14:32] <huebbe> Lupin will have his revenge with Bill, Hagrid and Gwarp will try to maintain control...but no matter what it will come down to only two people [14:33] <You_wont_know_who> Fernir is the worst leader that might happen to them, that's true [14:33] <MirandaV> he went on to other tastey morsels [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think Bill may have something to say to Fenrir [14:33] <Shard> Agreed it must be Harry Vs Voldemort in the end [14:33] <You_wont_know_who> Grawp was schooled for some reason, in my opinion [14:33] <MirandaV> I'm sure he will PP...and it won't be nice laugh [14:33] <dumbleydore18> Jenrir is his own breed of insanity....he so engulfed in blood and wanted to change others that I don't see him changing...his minions might to help Lupin, as Lupin is undercover double agent 007 [14:33] <huebbe> think about it...if you were writing this, would you have the Giants and Werewolves involved? [14:33] <fawkes28> voldemort created strong alliances - sometimes these alliances or creations backfire - think frankstein [14:33] <huebbe> YES [14:34] <You_wont_know_who> true Fawkes [14:34] <futureweasley> I don't really know how strong those alliances can be [14:34] <Shard> If Grawp killed Karcass and Lupin killed Fenrir could they get the Giants and Werewolves to stop fighting? [14:34] <futureweasley> as they really aren't based on anything but greed [14:34] <futureweasley> the greed of one [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder how many of the werewolves around now were created by fenrir [14:34] * cbm has quit [Bye] [14:34] <Theoriser> Fawkes has saved Harry's life on more than one occasion. Also, Fawkes' tail feather is in both Harry and Voldemort's wands. Will Fawkes play a role in Voldemort's defeat? [14:34] <Shard> Probably alot PP [14:34] <You_wont_know_who> killing is not the right method I suppose [14:34] <huebbe> they are not that developed, I can see them falling apart [14:34] <dumbleydore18> I think they could shard but there would be alot of convining [14:34] <Shard> Yes [14:34] <MirandaV> He rules by fear though...ruling by love and binding people to you with it is much more powerful fawkes [14:35] <huebbe> YEs [14:35] <JaneMarple9> yes Fawkes will [14:35] <Shard> I think the Pheonix Song and Brother Wands will be important [14:35] <You_wont_know_who> Fawkes will be very important [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think fawkes will appear one last time [14:35] <JaneMarple9> she may have been willed to Harry [14:35] <Pleshette> Yes I believe so [14:35] <padfoot27> yes [14:35] <fawkes28> oh i have no doubts in my mind that Fawkes will help smile [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Fawkes has already helped Harry more than once against LV. I definitely think he will again [14:35] <huebbe> Fawkes and harry are combined somehow, but not with LV...it is the opposite [14:35] <MirandaV> I think we will see fawkes again [14:35] <futureweasley> fawkes is definitely going to come back into play in DH [14:35] <You_wont_know_who> he is the linking bridge between these two - Harry and Voldie [14:35] * sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [14:35] <bubblehead> Fawkes will help Harry because he is just that cool [14:35] <Pleshette> Fawkes has a special connection in so many ways [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> Something's going to happen with those wands. [14:35] * JaneMarple9 thinks Fawkes in vital to Leaky Lounge...the human one! [14:35] <Pleshette> to Harry [14:35] <Shard> I think that through the Priori Incatatum is the key with the Fawkes help, the Pheonix song resonates from the spell effect and I think that Music bothers LV alot [14:35] <You_wont_know_who> lol Jane [14:35] <huebbe> but how can they battle when they have brother wands???? [14:35] <fawkes28> Fawkes has built up such a strong relationship with Harry - he is not going to abandon Harry in his time of need [14:36] <awlaisis> if i was writing, huebbe, i would logically need all these strong creatures to make all Voldies sidekicks get outta the way... it's not like Harry can just walk to Voldie...or is it? Would Voldie welcome a duel with Harry if Harry asked for one [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Don't you imagine that fawkes is really not most pleased that his tail feather has been instrumental in causing so much damage? [14:36] <padfoot27> i think that there wands will conect again [14:36] ** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [14:36] <dumbleydore18> I think Fawkes will. I mean he could gouge out voldies eyes or something so no one turns to stone...but it's a matter of "Will Fawkes return?" [14:36] <JaneMarple9> hi debbie [14:36] <Shard> Or maybe he is SG grin [14:36] <MirandaV> too true fawkes28...to distinguish from the bird for this question [14:36] <You_wont_know_who> Voldie might change his wand in the last book but he will find it innapropriate for sure [14:36] <DumbleDebbie> hey smile [14:36] <fawkes28> that is a good point, sooner [14:36] <JaneMarple9> SG???? [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Debbie [14:36] <You_wont_know_who> hi debbie [14:36] <huebbe> true...but I think I would depend on more individual characters than groups [14:36] <Shard> I tink Fawkes will, Harry is loyal to DD [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> SG=me [14:36] <JaneMarple9> ah biggrin [14:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol [14:36] <MirandaV> I like that Sooner [14:37] <JaneMarple9> JM = me! [14:37] <Shard> lol [14:37] <fawkes28> Jo wouldn't put Fawkes' tail feather in there for just any reason at all - we need an explanation and Fawkes will return to help Harry in some way [14:37] <huebbe> Do you really think so you-wont [14:37] <dumbleydore18> DD18 or Dumbley = me [14:37] <Aislinn> I think that fawkes will definitely play a role in the final denouement [14:37] <dumbleydore18> I prefer dumbley though... [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> siriusly, if I were fawkes (the bird) I would be upset about LV having my tail feather in his wand [14:37] <Theoriser> fawkes may come to the rescue again like in book 2 [14:37] <Aislinn> We have not seen the last of that phoenix, and he will help Harry, as Harry is still loyal to DD [14:37] <You_wont_know_who> Fawkes might be the new Harry's pet [14:37] <JaneMarple9> phoenixes are so important [14:37] <Shard> I think the Harry's blood in LV is a ticking time bomb, he can't stand positive emotions, it could be through that blood connection that the Pheonix Song could do some serieous damage to LV [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> it could Shard [14:38] <MirandaV> I would too Sooner, especially since he has always been an instrument of good [14:38] <Shard> I can understand that Sooner, but I think in a way it gives Harry and advantage [14:38] <fawkes28> i think that Voldemort still understimates Fawkes' abilities too [14:38] <dumbleydore18> back on topic .... Fawkes....he will return but with a vengance.. [14:38] <JaneMarple9> i hope that YWKW [14:38] <You_wont_know_who> Shard I agree [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> Interesting that Harry had the upper hand in the contest of wills in the graveyard. [14:38] <JaneMarple9> I hope Dumbledore willed it to Harry [14:38] <Pleshette> Can a phoenix ever die? Or are they always reborn? [14:38] <Shard> Because if HArry can use Priori Incantatum on LV then LV has no choice but to duel Harry on Harry's terms [14:38] <bubblehead> Harry Potter and the Revenge of the Phoenix [14:38] <huebbe> they live for about 1500 years [14:38] <DumbleDebbie> I think they do eventually die [14:38] <You_wont_know_who> I wonder if Fawkes is to attack Snape [14:38] <dumbleydore18> reborn pleshette [14:38] <Theoriser> Harry and Voldemort's wands do not work properly against each other. Will Harry still find a way to defeat Voldemort by using his wand? [14:38] <JaneMarple9> they do die...eventually...I think [14:39] <fawkes28> no, no , ywkw smile [14:39] <huebbe> yes [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> they only dont work when a spell is cast at exactly the same time [14:39] <You_wont_know_who> yes, Harry needs his wand [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry will use his wand, but not directly against LV [14:39] <You_wont_know_who> lol fawkes [14:39] <huebbe> although, I would love to see harry haul off and punch him [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think his wand will be the key in the end [14:39] <Pleshette> Just wondering if fawkes might sacrifice his life for Harry in some way [14:39] <Shard> Yes Priori Incatatum I believe is an actually advantage, LV can use no AK spells on Harry and it's a battle of Wills [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry and LV will still be able to duel [14:39] <Shard> I could see that PLeshette [14:39] <fawkes28> I think that Harry may want to recreate Prior Incantatem [14:39] <MirandaV> I think maybe Harry will learn to use magic w/o the wand sometimes, and I think he will use it against LV [14:39] <JaneMarple9> well snape was quite loyal to dumbledore in his time [14:39] <padfoot27> did yee all know the last word is skar? [14:39] <dumbleydore18> yes, he will use his wand or someone elses as the whole priori Incantatem thing will get in teh way....there's also wandless magic... [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner, as long as the timing isn't at exactly the same moment [14:40] <bubblehead> I always wondered about Prior Incantatem. the book says it happens when they duel, but what if they don't really have a proper duel like Harry jumps out and attacks LV from behind? [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure that the wand will play a role in the final defeat of LV. [14:40] <You_wont_know_who> Harry has been true to his wand, so he has to keep it, Voldie abused the power his wand gave him [14:40] <futureweasley> Harry will have to use the wand horcrux that is in Ollivander's front window to defeat LV [14:40] <JaneMarple9> so I think Fawkes would not attack, rmembering the loyality [14:40] <huebbe> ooo I like it future [14:40] <dumbleydore18> there's a wand in Olli [14:40] *** padfoot27 has quit [Bye] [14:40] <You_wont_know_who> Prior Incantantem was a kind of a warning and I suppose it wont happen again [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> interesting, future! [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> right. Priori Incantantem was something very random. They struck at exatly the same moment face to face. The timing on that was one in a million [14:40] <fawkes28> i think that Prior Incantatem really made Voldy nervous and it gave Harry the strength to go on - so i wouldnt be surprised if Harry attempted it again [14:40] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think the final blow from Harry will require a wand [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think that wand has a place in the final book, too! [14:40] <dumbleydore18> there is a want in Olli's window future? Man I have to re-read the books!!!! [14:40] <awlaisis> bubble, that would be cool, but i think voldie could sense him, he couldn't surprise him [14:40] <JaneMarple9> the wands are important [14:41] <You_wont_know_who> Ollivander disappearance is something to be explained definitely [14:41] <You_wont_know_who> true Jane [14:41] <Aislinn> I agree debbie - I don't think that Harry will be using a wand to vanquish the Dark Lord [14:41] <MirandaV> I agree with sooner, priori doesn't happen every time so they can still use wands against each other, any way Harry may want to use Priori again [14:41] <huebbe> but somehow...whatever harry does it will be more degrading to LV than anything else. [14:41] <Shard> I don't think it was one in a millon [14:41] <Aislinn> I think it will involve a mind to mind connection, and wands will not be involved [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry will use his wand to conjure a Patronus [14:41] <fawkes28> we still dont know all that much about their two wands connecting - perhaps other things will happen too [14:41] <JaneMarple9> i think Fawkes (the bird) would be honoured to have tail feathers in LV and Harry's wand [14:41] <huebbe> harry must triump with goodness and love, not vengence and scorn [14:41] <Shard> If LV and Harry start shooting spells at eah other, they will eventualy form the Priori spell [14:42] <futureweasley> I think that the final blow will come from some sort of magic...I guess I am just assuming a wand will need to be involved [14:42] <bubblehead> Well no matter how it happens, LV is doing down in 151 days! [14:42] <Theoriser> We know that Ollivander is missing. Will Voldemort seek his assistance to help him work around Prior Incantatem?* [14:42] <dumbleydore18> Could Voldemort use %Iwandless%I magic? [14:42] <JaneMarple9> yeah [14:42] <Shard> Ok I had another thought [14:42] <DumbleDebbie> I think Voldy will use his wand but a choice Harry makes will cause Voldy's spell to rebound (again) [14:42] <MirandaV> I like that idea Aislinn...I think that it won't be a conventional wand spell that gives the final blow [14:42] <Shard> I think Ollie ran away before LV could get him [14:42] <You_wont_know_who> I have still some hope that LV hasn't got Olliwander [14:42] <ltbrave23> no i don't think so [14:42] <MirandaV> it will probably be wandless magic [14:42] <fawkes28> I think Voldemort wants Ollivander help for something [14:42] <huebbe> I just don't see Ollie has a LV helper [14:42] <ltbrave23> if that was the case i think ollivander would have gone missing sooner [14:42] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think Ollivander holds some knowledge Voldy wants [14:43] <futureweasley> yes, I think that LV needs some more information about "wand logistics"...and there is no better person to go to than Ollivander [14:43] <JaneMarple9> Olliwander smile great name! [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Olivander was not stolen by LV--but that DD had something to do with his disappearance [14:43] <bubblehead> I think Ollivander ran because of that wand in the window, he knew LV was after it [14:43] <fawkes28> well, huebbe, Voldemort has a way of forcing people to do what they want [14:43] <huebbe> but Ollie left on his own will [14:43] <You_wont_know_who> It might be the other way round - maybe the Order is protecting Ollie [14:43] <Shard> Since AK is based on Hate, would a spell that is based on positive love and happy memories work on LV? Such as Expecto Patronum, this spell is used on another creature as well so it's possible I think that it could affect LV's tainted soul [14:43] <Pleshette> I thinks so too but I'm not sure where he is: in hiding or captured by LV [14:43] <You_wont_know_who> I hope in hiding [14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> that is possible Shard [14:43] <Aislinn> I like that shard [14:43] <huebbe> I just dont' see captured....I see hidingt [14:43] <MirandaV> That's really only conjecture huebbe, they could have made it look like he left of his own free will [14:43] <JaneMarple9> i can't see Ollivander leaving the shop without force [14:43] <dumbleydore18> Olli knows about the brother wands all toooooo well. I think that Voldy will try and find him, if he doesn't have him already. I still can't decide if I trust Olli or not. [14:44] <Shard> I think Ollivander knew which way the wind was going and got out of dodge and probably told DD where he was going [14:44] <MirandaV> Oh...good one Shard [14:44] <Shard> Thanks SG and Miranda [14:44] <Pleshette> That's what I'm hoping Shard [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> but DD said Harry knows everything he needs to know to defeat Voldy didn't he? and we haven't seen a mega love spell [14:44] <Shard> And Aislinn [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think that when DD offered to hide the malfoys, he had already done so for Ollivander [14:44] <You_wont_know_who> Ollivnder knows too much about the wands and he will be a big asset [14:44] <huebbe> true...but i really can't see someone who has done this for so long...making wands...now leaving the scene of the crime [14:44] <fawkes28> i dont think Ollivander is a bad guy - he can't be [14:44] <bubblehead> Ollivander does anagram into "An evil lord" [14:44] <huebbe> I think he is good [14:44] <You_wont_know_who> oh he might be just decent [14:44] <Aislinn> I think that's very possible prongs [14:44] <JaneMarple9> I think he is good [14:44] <fawkes28> there is more to his story than we know - i think he is the key to something - what though i am not sure [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> What I wonder is why LV didn't immediately try to capture Olli after the PI effect in the graveyard. I would have wanted an explanation of that if I was LV. [14:44] <Aislinn> there was no sign of a struggle at the shop, unlike Fortescue's [14:45] <JaneMarple9> perhaps he is connected with Luna? [14:45] <Shard> I agree with you as well Prongs [14:45] <You_wont_know_who> Prongs - exactly my way of thinking [14:45] <DumbleDebbie> but that can be faked Aisliinn, like Sluggy [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> well, merlin probably got a wand off him! [14:45] <huebbe> isn't his name something like le ol raven? [14:45] <huebbe> or el old raven? [14:45] <dumbleydore18> I wonder if Ollivander knows anything about Harry's past? He knows and remembers all his wand buyers. Wil Ollivander be of more help to Harry than just figureing out wands? [14:45] <awlaisis> if he's evil... think about all the wands he has sold... he might control them, they can all go off power, when voldy orders to, ha! [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ollivander is neutral [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> he just makes wands [14:46] <huebbe> yes [14:46] <huebbe> mee too [14:46] <JaneMarple9> his first name?? Not a clue what his name it [14:46] <fawkes28> the wand chooses the wizard - not Ollivander [14:46] <Theoriser> Peter Pettigrew still has a life debt to Harry. Will this somehow play a role in Lord Voldemort's defeat? [14:46] <bubblehead> Maybe Ollivander really did just go on holiday as Mrs. Weasley said [14:46] <huebbe> YES [14:46] <JaneMarple9> yes [14:46] <bubblehead> Oh of course [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> but he is probably one of the most magical people we have seen in the books [14:46] <You_wont_know_who> Peter will have a great role you will see [14:46] <Aislinn> I think it will play a role early on, but not at the crucial moment [14:46] <dumbleydore18> I think that Ollivander knows a little clue to how Harrry can defeat Voldy, wand wise. [14:46] <JaneMarple9> Wormtail has to repay the debt [14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> the dude has a bionic hand now Yeah, I think he will [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> yes, but not due to a conscious decision by Peter [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Peter has to figure in here somehow. [14:46] <MirandaV> It will play a role somewhere, if by saving Harry earlier in the book so he can live to fight another day or in the finally [14:47] <You_wont_know_who> lol Sooner [14:47] <MirandaV> oops finaly [14:47] <Shard> I think Peter will kill Nagini and be bitten by Nagini and die [14:47] <futureweasley> for whatever reason, I don't see Bionic Bumbletwit playing a part in LV's defeat...at all [14:47] <fawkes28> i don't think that this life debt is going to be played out in the final battle - i think peter will be dead before then [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> Wormtail will repay his debt, and at the last, will show why he was a Marauder [14:47] <awlaisis> please no, not some redeeming great stuff for peter...he doesn't deserve it [14:47] <Shard> lol [14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually think that Peter is going to take care of Nagini like Shard does [14:47] <You_wont_know_who> I think Peter's decision in the last moment will help Harry a lot [14:47] <Pleshette> I'm beginning to think Peter may know about a horcrux [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> it would be nice if he'd finally 'see the light' but it would take a mega turnaround [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> That sounds like a good theory, Shard and Sooner. [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Peter knows about Nagini being a horcrux [14:48] <JaneMarple9> i think peter will die protecting harry [14:48] <fawkes28> i honestly cannot picture Peter throwing himself in front of Harry - i think he will repay the debt in some other way [14:48] <MirandaV> I think that it may be earlier in the book that the life debt is played out...he I like Shard and Sooner's idea of taking care of Nagini for Harry [14:48] <MrMcGonagall> Peter was with LV when the Nagini horcrux was supposedly made. [14:48] <Shard> I felt there was somehting more to the fact that Peter and Snape were haning out in HBP, it just seems... TOO convientant [14:48] <Aislinn> I agree fawkes [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> Peter and Nagini ? Why her? [14:48] <JaneMarple9> thats a interesting idea [14:48] <futureweasley> ah, yes...it would Debbie...but this is the UK, not neverneverland...(haha) [14:48] <fawkes28> peter is too much of a coward to sacrifice himself for harry [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> and the hand will play a role in it [14:48] <bubblehead> Do you think there's a possibilty that the life debt HAS to be played out, like will the magic force Pettigrew to do it? [14:48] * cbm has joined #lounge [14:48] * Narya has joined #lounge [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, fawkes I more see the debt being repayed inadvertantly [14:48] <Shard> BEcause Peter has that Silver Hand o Death and he nee3ds to use it on someone that isn't Lupin [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> hicbm [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> peter is the coward who happened to be a Gryffindor too [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> hi narya [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> hi cbm and Narya [14:48] <futureweasley> I just don't see Peter wanting to redeem himself [14:48] <JaneMarple9> hi narya smile [14:48] <fawkes28> he is certainly not going to change his behavior now [14:48] <cbm> Hi again [14:48] <Narya> Hi all smile [14:48] <Aislinn> hi folks smile [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> hi cbm and hi Narya This post has been edited by Mr. McGonagall: Feb 11 2007, 05:15 PM -------------------- Come cast your vote for Wize Wizard and Chocolate Frog Card chat topics in the Corner Booth Forum!

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Playing dominoes with the Fat Friar Posts: 2,189 Joined: 1:22pm June 3, 2006 Location: Visiting Luna to have wrackspurts removed	[14:48] <MirandaV> hi cbm Narya [14:49] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [14:49] <fawkes28> he will never been able to redeem himself in my eyes [14:49] <You_wont_know_who> good to see you [14:49] <fawkes28> hi narya [14:49] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [14:49] <dumbleydore18> I ahve writeen about this in this weeks RG chapter notes taht I think Peter will gaurd Harry against a curse, maybe not an unforgivable one, but aaaa curse that is directed towards Harry. Or will defend Harry against an avada kadavra directed towards Harry from a DE or LV himself. If Peter sacrifices himself for Harry's sake wouldn't that be the same thing that Lily did out of love for her son, which also protected Harry? [14:49] <Shard> Not unless Peter sees Harry as the Stronger one to back up [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> no Peter will not redeem himself on purpose [14:49] <awlaisis> peter could be sent lurking around harry... and then he'd save him from some horcrux destroying problems... i don't see him having any healer powers though [14:49] <JaneMarple9> weebee NYB [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB [14:49] <Aislinn> we're talking about whether Peter will play a role in LV's demise, particularly because of the life debt [14:49] <Shard> Peter was certainly brave enough to bring back LV [14:49] <Narya> Peter will redeem himself, just to be controversial [14:49] <You_wont_know_who> hi NYB [14:49] <fawkes28> i doubt it, sooner [14:49] <Shard> I thought you would disagree Narya lol [14:49] <Pleshette> I think he'll do whatever he can to save his own skin, maybe even pass info to the Order [14:49] <Narya> lol [14:49] <You_wont_know_who> Peter has certainly the potential to play a positive role [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> that's what I'm saying Sooner, he'll do something that will end up saving Harry but that won't be the outcome Peter intended [14:50] <Theoriser> I'm still undecided on how he will redeem himself, if he will at all [14:50] <bubblehead> Peter never does anything unless it helps himself in some way [14:50] <JaneMarple9> yes bubble but he has a debt to pay [14:50] <You_wont_know_who> he will help his better self helping Harry [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> he was a Gryffindore [14:50] <MirandaV> I see it more along the lines of LV thinks PP usefulness is at an end and sends Nagini to kill him and Peter kills Hagini instead to save his own neck. Therefor inadvertantly helping Harry [14:50] <huebbe> perhaps he will tell Harry where the last horcrux is [14:50] <Narya> Peter's not a Gryffindor for nothing - there has to be a reason why he was sorted there [14:50] <awlaisis> shard, i don't think he was brave.... he was escaping from sirius, lupin, dementors, MoM... he would be dead if he hadn't got someone protect him [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think that will come out in the end [14:50] <Shard> That is true that Peter is self serving but if Snape can change his spots why not Peter? [14:50] <Aislinn> It's very hard to see why he was a Gryffindor Prongs [14:50] <cbm> I do not think he can ever be redeemed, but at the same time he will repay he debt to harry, but I do not think that is redemption [14:50] <NYBookworm> I think the only way Peter would help would be if he wass unable to carry out something he will not actively hel;p [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I could totally see that scenario Miranda [14:50] <dumbleydore18> If Peter sacrifices himself for Harry could there be a chance that Voldemort is weakened to his smaller state again, because it would be a sarifice of love? [14:50] <Shard> I can see why he's Gryffinbdor Aislinn, same with Percy is [14:50] <Narya> It's hard, Aislinn but there's a good reason in everything Jo writes [14:51] <fawkes28> peter has done far too much in my eyes [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> I know--but not all Gryffindors are good [14:51] <Pleshette> Who knows if Snape has changed his spots though Shard? [14:51] <Shard> Peter just stood up for the wrong side [14:51] <ltbrave23> do we know that he was a gryffindor or is that an assumption [14:51] <You_wont_know_who> I suppose Peter's bravery is burried deep inside but it is in him [14:51] <dumbleydore18> If LV is weakened then it would be a great chance for Harry to attack [14:51] <Aislinn> yes, Miranda - that seems like something within Peter's way of operating [14:51] <fawkes28> he was actually friends with lily and james - snape wasn't [14:51] <Shard> Your right PLeshette but the point is that there is a chance [14:51] <Theoriser> Lily laid down her life for Harry. Will Ginny do the same and invoke a similar magic like Lily did? [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> no [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> nope [14:51] <You_wont_know_who> Ginny no [14:51] <cbm> No [14:51] <bubblehead> I want Ginny to live! [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry will not allow that [14:51] <MrMcGonagall> no [14:51] <JaneMarple9> ok he was a gryffindor. Even though I am not convinced biggrin [14:51] <ltbrave23> no [14:51] <Shard> I hope she doesn't have to do so [14:51] <MirandaV> no...she will live!!! [14:51] <Aislinn> it isn't about good though - he hasn't shown himself to be brave [14:51] <Aislinn> or noble [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> not that she wouldnt [14:51] <You_wont_know_who> it's not her role anyway [14:51] <dumbleydore18> I hope not! I don't want any weasley dead!!! [14:51] <huebbe> no, it will be reveresed harry will do it for her [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> JKr has said that there is only one person who is beyong=d redemption--LV [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> the key to destroying Voldy isn't Ginny's capacity to love it's Harry's [14:51] <fawkes28> Ginny would do it though - you all know she would sacrifice herself for Harry [14:51] <Aislinn> no, I don't see Ginny doing that at all [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Ginny will not die [14:51] <Narya> I don't think Ginny will play that role in book seven [14:51] <fawkes28> it is possible [14:52] <JaneMarple9> harry would scarifice himself for her [14:52] <JaneMarple9> or one of the weasleys [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Ginny is capable of doing it, but I don't see Jo playing that card again. It would kill Harry [14:52] <Pleshette> I don't think she will either [14:52] <cbm> It would kill harry and I do not think he could function after it occurred [14:52] <ltbrave23> i don't think ginny will die either [14:52] <awlaisis> i think it's different about what he was like when he went to hogwarts and what he grew up to be... chose to be [14:52] <JaneMarple9> or hermione or neville [14:52] <bubblehead> Ginny would do it but I don't think she will be put into a position where she would have to [14:52] <huebbe> never understood harry leaving her...it doesn't really matter the love is "out there" already [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, she would. but that's not the key IMO [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> so it'd be useless [14:52] <MirandaV> he would, but I don't think he will need to and Ginny would, but she won't need too either [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Ginny will not be content to stay behind [14:52] <MirandaV> oops to [14:52] <JaneMarple9> (basically Harry would sacrifice himself for anybody gopod!) biggrin [14:52] <dumbleydore18> I see Ginny using her skills to kill as many DE's as possible being the great protector and fighter, we still don't know all of Ginny's skills yet, there's still more up her sleeves [14:52] <Shard> Ginny will help [14:52] <huebbe> there will be a moment of protection....harry for Ginny [14:52] <You_wont_know_who> she will not stay behind I am sure [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> she has never been the passive type, and she has her own score to settle with LV [14:53] <Shard> Ginny will be a rminder to Harry what he is fighting for [14:53] <futureweasley> Debbie said this once, and it made an impact on how I look at love in this book...paternal love and romantic love are different in their degrees...and though I think Ginny loves Harry wholly, I don't think that love can match what Lily felt for Harry [14:53] <huebbe> yes shard...agreed [14:53] <MirandaV> She won't stay behind...they also most likely not stay apart...she never agreed in the first place [14:53] <JaneMarple9> Molly might insist YWDW [14:53] * fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [14:53] <You_wont_know_who> maybe she will become an animagus cat and follow Harry [14:53] <Aislinn> the only wasy she could do what Lily did would be to be given a choice - that she could live or lay down her life for Harry [14:53] <huebbe> lol [14:53] <bubblehead> I agree FW [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> it is a different dynamic FW [14:53] * DoBBY has joined #lounge [14:53] <Aislinn> I don't see LV giving her that choice [14:53] <JaneMarple9> she not of age and she's the youngest weasley [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi dobby [14:53] <You_wont_know_who> Molly might insist but she will be helpless [14:53] <MirandaV> Of course not Future...you're right the love of a mother for her child knows no limits [14:53] <DoBBY> Hi [14:53] <JaneMarple9> hello Dobby [14:53] <You_wont_know_who> hi Dobby [14:53] <huebbe> no...i don't see LV giving any choices anymore, we are beyond that [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that enough people have sacrificed themselves for Harry. That is over, IMO [14:54] <huebbe> hid dobby [14:54] <futureweasley> I'm not sure Ginny's love knows limits either...first love is a very hard flame to squelch [14:54] <Shard> I think ginny is a bit of a rebel and might have to sneak away at some point, I do think she can help alot in this. Mayvbe even get one of the Horcruxes. [14:54] * fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think that choice was an experiment [14:54] <MirandaV> I agree Sooner [14:54] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I agree [14:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I can't see Lily's scenario playing out with Ginny. [14:54] <DumbleDebbie> I think Harry has to be the one to be willing to sacrifice. He's been taught the lesson mulitple times [14:54] <huebbe> yes shard agreed, [14:54] <Aislinn> I think she can help, but sacrificing herself so that Harry can live, that I don't think will happen [14:54] <MrMcGonagall> me too, Debbie [14:54] <bubblehead> I think there was a very specific reason that he gave Lily the option to live so I don't think he will do it again [14:54] <Shard> I agree Sooner but I think there are still those that would do so for Harry: Hagrid, Neville, Ron, Ginny. I just hope it is over as you say [14:54] <MirandaV> I don't think it does either in the romantic way, but I think a mother's love is just different [14:54] <awlaisis> yeah, no choises, not for ginny anyway... but Voldie would certainly want to kidnap her and make harry sacrifice his life for her [14:54] <Pleshette> No me either Aislinn [14:54] <cbm> Voldemort now understands what happened with Lily, it will not happen again [14:55] <huebbe> everyone has sacrificed for Harry thus far.....it is HIS turn [14:55] <fawkes28> i don't think Jo would do the exact same thing twice - it may happen but be different in its own way [14:55] <Aislinn> She is brave enough and cares deeply enough for him to do it, but I just don't see Jo writing it that way [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> Ginny will make Harry stronger emotionally [14:55] <JaneMarple9> agreed shard [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> agreed, Aislinn [14:55] * Evreka has joined #lounge [14:55] <Theoriser> Some think that Severus Snape will sacrifice himself for Harry. Would this sacrifice cause Voldemort's defeat? [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> but I just don't see her waiting passively at Hogwarts, either [14:55] <bubblehead> nope [14:55] <Shard> I agree YWKW, I think that is exaclty what GInny is there for [14:55] <huebbe> in a way yes [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> I think Ginny would be willing to die for Harry, but I don't think that would generate the Old Magic necessary [14:55] <Evreka> Hi, sorry I'm late [14:55] <MirandaV> I think she will be there to help Harry keep feeling love because I firmly believe that is the tap to his true power. He needs those he loves around him to help him be the powereful wizard that he is capable of being [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> hi Evreka! [14:55] <JaneMarple9> Hi Evreka good to see you [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> no [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> I can't see him doing it [14:55] <Narya> If he does, it might contribute towards it, but it's not the whole story [14:56] <Aislinn> no [14:56] <awlaisis> Do you think that Harry would sacrifice his life for Ginny that could end up in Voldemort ruling the world?? [14:56] <Evreka> Hi Debbie =) [14:56] <huebbe> hi evreka [14:56] <fawkes28> I actually think that Snape will sacrifice himself for Harry but I don't think that is how Voldemort will be defeated [14:56] <You_wont_know_who> hi Evreka [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> he is Slytherin [14:56] <Pleshette> No not Snape [14:56] <Shard> I dont think Snape will intentionaly sacrifice himself, but he might get sacrficed anyways [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> that is not something they do [14:56] <Theoriser> there's no way that Snape would sacrifice himself for harry [14:56] <fawkes28> it doesn't matter that he is slytherin [14:56] <huebbe> LV will be surprised to what is left of his sou. about Snape [14:56] <DumbleDebbie> Actually I think the exact opposite is very, very likely. Harry will have to offer himself up in place of Snape. [14:56] <dumbleydore18> Well i can see how the protection of a lovers love can protect Harry. I mean Lily was a mother protection and it had one effect on LV, maybe a Lovers love protectuion will have another impact on LV? [14:56] <cbm> no, His only concern now is draco due to the vow [14:56] <JaneMarple9> No I can't see severussnape sarcrificing himself for harrypotter [14:56] <Aislinn> right prongs - what he does, what he has always done, has been for himself [14:56] <You_wont_know_who> Snape will help Harry but not through the sacrifice [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> No, although I think Snape will do something important for Harry that allows Harry to defeat LV. [14:56] <MirandaV> brb [14:56] <Evreka> agree Jane [14:56] <bubblehead> It all depends on Snape's true alliances... [14:56] <futureweasley> Snape = self-serving...there will be no sacrifice on his part [14:56] <Narya> Good point, Mr McG [14:56] <huebbe> yes Mr.M was my thought as well [14:57] <Pleshette> I agree future [14:57] <fawkes28> mark my words - Snape will sacrifice himself for Harry [14:57] <Theoriser> even if snape did sacrifice himself, he doesn't love Harry, so it wouldn't give any sort of protection [14:57] <Aislinn> that's possible, Mr M [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Mr M [14:57] <Shard> I could see Snape stabbing LV, as LV dies blast Snape with AK, then Soul is released and attepmts to take over Harry's body [14:57] <Evreka> agreed fw [14:57] <huebbe> it seems like it will pave the way for the ultimate defeat [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> how powerful would it be for Harry to find love enough to offer up his life for someone who hate him so deeply [14:57] <cbm> Right now the only person Snape can be loyal to is draco due to the second part of the vow [14:57] <Narya> I don't see Snape sacrificing himself unless he feels it's necessary [14:57] * MrMcGonagall thinks fawkes doesn't think rationally when it comes to Snape. biggrin [14:57] <fawkes28> I think that it will be an impulsive reaction on Snape's part [14:57] <futureweasley> consider them marked, fawkes [14:57] <dumbleydore18> I don't see how the death of SNape will defeat Voldy? [14:57] <Narya> there are other ways to defeat LV than that one [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think we will never know what side Snape is on [14:57] <fawkes28> I know exactly what I am saying [14:58] <awlaisis> JK said that PoA film includes some hints about the future... you think the scene where Snape protects the trio from werwolf lupin is a hint of something (him being good, scarificing himself for them)? [14:58] <Evreka> I think we will, Jo can't leave that hanging! [14:58] * futureweasley has quit [Bye] [14:58] <Pleshette> Snape may turn on LV but for his own purpose [14:58] <huebbe> unless by using Fawkes, as he sits perched on Harry's shoulder, giving him unbeiliable power and magic [14:58] <You_wont_know_who> because he is on his own side [14:58] <JaneMarple9> I think we will eventually PP [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Snape acts much on impulse. He's cold and calculating. [14:58] <Aislinn> yes, debbie -that would be more likely than any sacrificial act on snape's part [14:58] <dumbleydore18> I disagree PP I think we will know which side snape is on [14:58] <Shard> Agreed Pleshette, I just think Snape will be killed for it [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> much more Aislinn [14:58] <Shard> Very true Mr. Mcg [14:58] <Pleshette> That's definitely possible Shard [14:58] <huebbe> Snape I think will die, but he will sacrifice the truth first [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, with LV gone, snape could say to himself that he is the most powerful wizard left [14:58] <dumbleydore18> IMO I think snape is on his own side as Slytherins tend to be, but this is another chat topic. [14:58] <fawkes28> i don't think that is how Voldemort will die - it won't work like that but I do think Snape will sacrifice himself for Harry [14:58] <Theoriser> If Voldemort tries to possess Harry or vice versa, will Voldemort be able to be destroyed? [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> and Harry willing to die for an enemy seems, to me, to be more powerful than him willing to die for a friend [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> he has always been in the shadows of those he served [14:59] <Aislinn> yes, theoriser - I think this is going to be key to voldy's defeat [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> he may help bring down LV just for that [14:59] <Narya> I think if LV makes the same mistake he made in OotP, then that's likely [14:59] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think LV will be trying that again. [14:59] <Pleshette> I think that's been his goal PP [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> to be rid of obligations [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is very possible that this is how LV is going to die [14:59] <Evreka> Hmm - they won't be able to possess eachothers for long, neither can stand it [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy tried and it didn't work [14:59] <huebbe> never really thought about that before, like how throught the scar? [14:59] <fawkes28> I think it will defeating harm Voldemort if he tries to possess him [14:59] <dumbleydore18> first off I don't see how that would work, I don't think Harry will go around and possess people [14:59] <cbm> If all the horcuxes are gone, maybe that it will destroy the last piece of his soul [14:59] <Evreka> exactly Debbie [14:59] <huebbe> seems odd [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he and Harry are going to have a battle of wills.... and that Harry (having a pure and whole soul) will win [14:59] <bubblehead> I don't think LV would try possesion again [15:00] <fawkes28> I am thinking that perhaps Harry will try it this time - to invade Voldemort's body where his part of his soul is [15:00] <Evreka> Harry's feelings will preserve him from that [15:00] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it will be a matter of Harry possessing LV in the same way that LV possessed him. [15:00] <Evreka> at least [15:00] <DumbleDebbie> interesting Sooner [15:00] <Pleshette> That's interesting fawkes [15:00] <huebbe> yes sooner, it will be a death of love vs. vengence [15:00] <Shard> This is how I think LV will be defeated, an internal struggle where Harry fights to keep control of his own body and LV tries to destroy Harry's However Lv's torn up soul will not be able to stand up to HArry's Soul [15:00] <Aislinn> I think that Harry would be able to open up the connection with Voldy's mind, and that Voldy won't be able to handle all the love that he will feel rush through the connection [15:00] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry knows how to dispossess LV --he did it in the Ministry fight [15:00] <fawkes28> exactly Aislinn [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> we've already seen a preview of this in the graveuyard when Harry pushed the beads on LV's wand [15:00] <Narya> I can't see any circumstances in which Hary would try to possess LV, but dispossess him is a good point, PP [15:00] <Shard> This is why it's important that Harry DIDNT learn Occulmency he has to remain OPEN [15:00] <Aislinn> I don't think possess is the right term [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> right [15:01] <huebbe> yes, the love is his most prized power, DD kept telling him that [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> posess is not the term, yet I can't think of the right ter, [15:01] <Pleshette> And will allow Harry to defeat him without using the AK [15:01] <JaneMarple9> but dumbledore wanted him to do those occulmency lessons [15:01] <fawkes28> I think it will come to the point that Harry will no longer care about himself and just try whatever is possibe to create that feeling of love in Voldemort - to transfer it [15:01] <DumbleDebbie> "invade" Sooner? [15:01] <huebbe> but DD also knew they werent' working [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> even that is too much Debbie [15:01] <Aislinn> it is just the psychic connection that exists between them [15:01] <bubblehead> I don't think Harry has whatever it is you need to posses people. [15:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol [15:01] <bubblehead> He's too undisciplined.. [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink Harry just needs to open the connection, much like turning on a tap [15:01] <Evreka> I hope not, bubblehead [15:02] <Aislinn> the psychic connection will be opened [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> no--and LV has closed himself off from him [15:02] <Aislinn> right sooner [15:02] <huebbe> and love and compassion will overflow [15:02] <Evreka> right Prongs [15:02] <Aislinn> but Harry will figure out how to open it prongs [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> it will be more of a passive thing [15:02] <fawkes28> harry needs to summon all of the love he has ever felt and transfer that energy over to LV [15:02] <Pleshette> permeate Voldie perhaps? [15:02] <Theoriser> Will the locked room at the Ministry of Magic help Harry defeat Voldemort? How?** [15:02] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes [15:02] <Aislinn> or voldy will choose to open it [15:02] <cbm> how about what happened when Harr y saw mr weasley attacked, something like that [15:02] <bubblehead> Oh the love room [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> I think LV may open it again--and have a nasty surprise [15:02] <huebbe> that's why the most of the DD spells have to be based off of a HAPPY memory [15:02] <dumbleydore18> If voldy and harry had another priori encantatem, do you think that would be a way to defeat Voldy? Maybe voldy's souuls are in his want, or a soulprint and they will come out. I think that Voldys wand it a horcrux because he gaurds it all too well. [15:02] <Aislinn> right [15:02] <fawkes28> oh that love room who not be locked for no reason at all [15:02] <Narya> Not sure how, but I'm sure the locked room will play a part [15:02] <Shard> I think the Love Room will teach Harry things [15:02] <Evreka> I assume it'll bne back - why else show it in OOTP? [15:02] <Evreka> be [15:02] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think Harry will defeat Voldy by being on the offense. I think it will be an instinctualy defensive act [15:02] <fawkes28> we need to learn something significant there [15:02] ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> yes, I think it is going to play an important part [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> I think the locked room is crucial in LV's defeat [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> hi ph63915 [15:03] <JaneMarple9> think of his mum and dad, think of hermione and ginny, think of the whole weasley familly - that enough love for Harry?? [15:03] <Pleshette> brb [15:03] <ph63915> hi all [15:03] <Aislinn> we weren't shown that room just so DD could allude to it later [15:03] <MirandaV> Sorry diaper duty or doodie what are we talking about now? [15:03] <Evreka> hi [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> but because Harry will go into it, not LV [15:03] <Shard> Yes Jane that's alot of Love smile [15:03] <fawkes28> i dont think the final battle could be there because Voldemort could not stand to be in a room that holds the secrets to love [15:03] <cbm> I am hoping there is a chapter entitled "The locked room" so we can find out in DH [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a weird theory that Harry has to travel beyond the veil and that the love room is connected in all of that and that he is going to gain wisdom in there that will allow him to defeat LV with their psychic connection [15:03] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure how, but the room will come into play - I think as part of Harry's hero journey. [15:03] <Narya> I'm sure DD knew all about that room, which is why he made such a categoric reference to it [15:03] <DumbleDebbie> seems like it will play a role, but I don't know what [15:03] <fawkes28> me too, cbm [15:03] <huebbe> That room joined with the fact the DD tells Harry that Magic always leaves traces [15:03] <dumbleydore18> brb [15:03] <Theoriser> here's a repeat of the question Miranda: Will the locked room at the Ministry of Magic help Harry defeat Voldemort? How? [15:04] <Shard> I think wer going to go on a very psychdelic trip with Harry lol [15:04] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think the veil will somehow come into play [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think that you are right, SG [15:04] <MirandaV> Thanks! [15:04] <JaneMarple9> love is going to be the core of the Deathly Hallows [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Prongs [15:04] <Aislinn> yes it will, jane [15:04] <Shard> I think the Room has things to teach Harry about how ppl have loved him and he has love them in return, [15:04] <huebbe> yes...I can see Jo setting it up that way [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> the hero must go into the Underworld and come back [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> right [15:04] <bubblehead> I think the Love Room could give Harry the power to AK. He'd feel the love for his firends so strongly he'd realize what he needs to do to save them [15:04] <MirandaV> I think Sooner's theory is great. I think Harry will be the first to make it back from the beyond aka behind the veil [15:04] <huebbe> possed with new knowledg [15:04] <Narya> Underworld, or Otherworld, PP? [15:04] <fawkes28> so, mr. m - do you think that Harry, as the hero, will have to enter that room alone? [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> Harry must not be afraid of death [15:04] <JaneMarple9> I don't like that idea PP, going to the underworld [15:05] <cbm> I have no idea what is in the room and can't wait to see the JKR has done [15:05] <JaneMarple9> sounds frightening [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> beyond the veil, Narya [15:05] <Narya> It's vital though JaneMarple [15:05] <Shard> The Netherworld [15:05] <You_wont_know_who> the locked room is not an underworld, [15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> the love room wil be the only way otut of the underworld [15:05] <Narya> yes PP I know [15:05] <MirandaV> I think he will go into the room alone [15:05] <Aislinn> I don't see Harry as fearing death much throughout the entire series, at least not his own [15:05] <Narya> that's what I thought [15:05] <cbm> Harry has never been afraid of death [15:05] <huebbe> I do too [15:05] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Harry has ever been afraid of death [15:05] <Theoriser> Will the Veil at the Department of Mysteries be involved in Voldemort's death? [15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a feeling it is a portal. One way only [15:05] <Evreka> I hope not bubblehead - that seems VERY contradictory to what love is? sad [15:05] <MirandaV> I agree Aislinn [15:05] <JaneMarple9> echo cbm smile [15:05] <Shard> WHAT exaclty is that room? I envisioned a room that would display love in some form or another [15:05] <Narya> I think the Veil has a role [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> however--firsthand knowledge is something that LV does not have [15:05] <bubblehead> Can we just push Voldemort through the veil? [15:05] <Shard> I hope not actually [15:05] <MrMcGonagall> I think quite possibly. [15:05] <fawkes28> it would be too simple for Harry to just push him through [15:05] <Evreka> Could be [15:05] <Narya> I can see both Harry and LV going beyond it [15:05] <JaneMarple9> what is in the room of love? [15:05] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think it will have a part in Voldy's death [15:06] <MirandaV> I don't know that it is there directly, I think it will be involved more in the way of knowledge for Harry [15:06] <huebbe> doesn't the veil relate to the word Hallow anyway? [15:06] <Shard> Throwing LV through the Veil would be lame... unless Harry is the last Horcrux [15:06] <cbm> i can see them using it if his soul is already gone in order to dispose of the body [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the room does not contain love. I think that it will help Harry discover that power within himself and focus it [15:06] <JaneMarple9> lots of piccies of Lily and James, and the weasleys! [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> what if that connection were opened, and harry passed along his newly acquitred knowledge of the afterworld? [15:06] <Evreka> it would be an ekegant way to have OLV dead without Harry having to actively kill him [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> I do think Harry will have to gather some knowledge from those behind there. Maybe on Halloween he'll be able to talk to them [15:06] <MirandaV> Yes Sooner! [15:06] <Aislinn> I think the veil has some sort of role as well, but I'm not sure if it will be central to the actual event of LV's demise [15:06] <bubblehead> I think the love room and the veil will be part of Harry's internal journey but not LV's defeat [15:06] <Narya> that's a neat point, PP [15:06] <fawkes28> i honestly think that Voldemort is going to avoid the veil at all costs - i am even willing to bet that his boggart would be that veil [15:06] <ph63915> I think LV will be finished off by a dementor, but the veil has a role [15:06] <JaneMarple9> biggrin funny sort of Boggart [15:06] <DumbleDebbie> lol, could be fawkes [15:06] <Aislinn> that makes sense fawkes [15:06] <huebbe> What if the locked room holds all of a person's memories, therefore Harry can experience the love his parents had for him? [15:07] <Narya> PP, are you saying that LV might be taught not to fear, or is that just me? [15:07] <Evreka> It wouldn't Jo says his Boggart is seeing himself dead [15:07] <Aislinn> he clearly fears death [15:07] <ltbrave23> could be fawkes since it represents death [15:07] <DumbleDebbie> impaled on his own sword ph63915? [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I am [15:07] <JaneMarple9> Voldie's boggart will be a massive big Heart!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:07] <Narya> thought so [15:07] * SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [15:07] * SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:07] <cbm> I always thought the LV's boggart would be a tombstone with Tom Riddle Jr. on it, but the veil works [15:07] <Narya> agreed [15:07] <fawkes28> I think that Harry is going to visit that veil again but i dont think Voldemort will be around [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> his bete noir has always been death [15:07] <MirandaV> It contains the voices of the dead....so maybe it contains nothing more or less than all of the knowledge of those who have gone before Harry. Think of what that could help him learn. Not only about himself, but LV. I also think hge will learn to harness his power and use it effectively [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> it is what moves LV [15:07] <fawkes28> nor do i think it will play a part in his death [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> remove that, and what do you have? [15:08] <JaneMarple9> yes i think we will see the veil again [15:08] <Theoriser> Dumbledore is said to have defeated Grindewald. Do you think DD killed Grindewald? [15:08] <JaneMarple9> and the mirror of erised too [15:08] <bubblehead> Yes [15:08] <awlaisis> i agree with harry going through the veil... the veil isn't some death-machine is it? it's in the death chamber, to study death... i don't understand how they could possibly study death without dying though [15:08] <Narya> no reason for him to stay, PP [15:08] <dumbleydore18> back [15:08] <huebbe> no [15:08] <Evreka> brr I hate that piece of fabric... [15:08] * HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> no, I don't [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> I think he vanquished him [15:08] <JaneMarple9> not sure [15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I do not think that he killed Grindewald [15:08] <Narya> No, DD didn't kill Grindelwald - he defeated him [15:08] <fawkes28> i dont think that DD killed him [15:08] <HPotterExpert2> Hey guys [15:08] <huebbe> I don't see DD destroying anyone [15:08] <bubblehead> He did [15:08] <cbm> I do [15:08] <fawkes28> i think he defeated him in another way [15:08] <You_wont_know_who> I think Dd defeated but not killed his opponent [15:08] <MirandaV> No I don't think he did, I think this info will be key to Harry [15:08] <Aislinn> I don't think DD killed Grindewald, I think he vanquished him [15:08] <Shard> I always hoped that if Harry went through thge veil, his parants, DD and Sirius would be there to push him back and no I dont think DD killed Grindelwald [15:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi HPexpert [15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is where "fate worse than death" comes into play [15:08] <Narya> DD was not a killer [15:08] <JaneMarple9> i think dumbledore was too noble to kill anyione [15:08] <dumbleydore18> I think he was the aid in helping kill him. Who was Grindelwald again? [15:08] <Aislinn> right sooner [15:09] <Shard> I think Grindelwald dioed in Azkaban prison [15:09] <huebbe> yes sooner [15:09] <ph63915> I wonder whether he stripped ihim of his magic powers [15:09] <MirandaV> I agreee Sooner [15:09] <JaneMarple9> just like harry is [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> my suspicion is that Tom Riddle actually killed Grindewald [15:09] <Narya> I agree, Sooner [15:09] <JaneMarple9> nice idea Shard [15:09] <Shard> I agree Sooner [15:09] <ltbrave23> that would be interesting ph [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> I do think LV witnessed Grindlewald's defeat, though [15:09] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, the apprentice killing the master? [15:09] <JaneMarple9> thats a possibility [15:09] <cbm> After DD treatment of Harry in OotP, I no longer consider him noble and believe he could kill someone [15:09] <Evreka> hmmm I don't think so [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [15:09] <Shard> Thanks Jane [15:09] <Aislinn> yes, sooner - after he got the knowledge of how to make Horcruxes [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> can't tell you how, just a gut feeling [15:09] <MrMcGonagall> That's interesting, Sooner [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> right [15:09] <huebbe> 'Harry will have to find out what happened...through Hermonie reading Hogworts a History [15:09] <dumbleydore18> who is Grindewald again? [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> the dark wizard before LV [15:10] <fawkes28> i wouldnt be surprised if tom killed him [15:10] * Evreka has quit [Bye] [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> that DD "defeated" [15:10] <Theoriser> Why did Jo use the term "defeat" rather than "kill"? [15:10] * Evreka has joined #lounge [15:10] <Shard> Grindelwald is the guy who probably really started WW2 with hitler as a puppet [15:10] <DumbleDebbie> evil overlord defeated in 1945 [15:10] <Narya> He was mentioned on a Chocolate Frog card [15:10] <Evreka> weird [15:10] <MirandaV> That's a good theory Sooner, I've never even thought of that, so that he could be # 1 [15:10] <cbm> Would Tom Riddle still be in school when it occurred [15:10] <huebbe> cuz he didn't kill him [15:10] <JaneMarple9> perhaps a descentent of the Gaunts??? [15:10] <bubblehead> I always thought it was weird that we didn't know more about Gindelwald [15:10] <Aislinn> because DD didn't kill him [15:10] <MirandaV> My screen is doing that stupid flashing thing again [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> ditto Aislinn [15:10] <huebbe> good thinking Aislinn [15:10] <Shard> Probaboly cause DD captured Grindy and sent him to Azkaban and TR may have found out about Horcruxes from Grindlewald [15:10] <fawkes28> i think Jo wants us to be aware that there are other ways to destroy a person without having to do the ultimate act of murder [15:10] <MrMcGonagall> It could just be that Jo didn't want to associate DD with killing [15:10] <MirandaV> agree Aislinn [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> reconnect Miranda. that's what I just had to do [15:10] <JaneMarple9> Grindlewald Gaunt...seems to have a good ring to it [15:11] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, exactly! [15:11] <MirandaV> okay thanks [15:11] <You_wont_know_who> killing is the ultimate evil so no good guy can kill and remain good in the Potterverse [15:11] <Shard> Thats ture Mr. McG [15:11] <ltbrave23> sending to azkaban is not exactly defeating him though is it [15:11] * MirandaV has quit [Bye] [15:11] * MirandaV has joined #lounge [15:11] <Shard> But Jo has put emphasis on the act of killing [15:11] <Aislinn> and how wrong it is [15:11] <awlaisis> it fits the chocolate frogs cards better...would be vulgar to put "killed" i think [15:11] <Shard> So I don't know how permant killing someone damanges a soul [15:11] <cbm> If he was captured, i expect he was kissed as they would not want to have the chance of a breakout [15:11] <Narya> Since DD is the "epitome of goodness" - JKR's words - there's no way he would have killed Grindelwald [15:11] <MirandaV> Oh good, it stopped.....I just don't think DD killed anyone [15:11] <Theoriser> good point awlaisis [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> my gut tells me that DD did not kill him [15:11] <DumbleDebbie> murder is evil, not killing necessarily [15:11] <JaneMarple9> well a spell in azkaban stops their activities for a while [15:11] <Evreka> is this chat supposed to throw up a pop-up window???? I was just told one was blocked? [15:11] <fawkes28> I don't think it is a coincidence that she has certain curses deemed Unforgivable and that Harry has not been able to use them [15:12] <ProngsPatronus> I agree 100% [15:12] <MirandaV> me either fawkes [15:12] * huebbe has quit [Bye] [15:12] <DumbleDebbie> there's a big difference between murder and being responsible for a death out of self-defense [15:12] <Aislinn> no evreka [15:12] <Theoriser> How do you think DD defeated Grindewald? [15:12] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe Grindelwald did himself in rather than be captured alive, like Adolf Hitler [15:12] <JaneMarple9> don't think so evereka [15:12] <Evreka> oh, ok, thanks [15:12] * huebbe has joined #lounge [15:12] <ProngsPatronus> is that another question, theoriser? [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> this Theoriser, is the key to the whole thing, IMO [15:12] <dumbleydore18> defeat means to eliminate or deprive of something expected, while kill means to destroy; do away with; extinguish. Any difference? [15:12] <Shard> Destroying Grindy's Horcrux probably [15:12] <fawkes28> boy would i love to know the answer to this question [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> and I have no idea [15:12] <bubblehead> with the same spell he was going to use on LV in ootp [15:12] <awlaisis> isn't it the MoM who named those curses Unforgivable? not that they wouldn't otherwise be, but.. [15:12] <Narya> I think Grindelwald lost his powers [15:12] * BellatrixPotter has joined #lounge [15:12] <MirandaV> I think he was forced to live in a way that would be much worse to him than death [15:12] <ltbrave23> i agree bubble [15:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi bella [15:13] <fawkes28> I wonder if it had anything to do with Love [15:13] <You_wont_know_who> he made him stop destroying the world - maybe stripped him off his powers [15:13] <JaneMarple9> no idea how dumbledore defeated him [15:13] <Shard> Thats a good point Mr. McG [15:13] <Evreka> I think he defeated him in a duel of some kingd and brought him over to justice [15:13] <fawkes28> or if it had anything to do with the Locked Room [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> I think his powers were bound [15:13] <Theoriser> Do you think DD's defeat of Grindewald will be mirrored by the struggle between Harry and LV? [15:13] <Shard> Jo did say there was a connection with Grindelwald and WW2 [15:13] <huebbe> yeap [15:13] <cbm> We should ask Hermione, I am sure she knows [15:13] <Narya> It might, Theoriser [15:13] <Evreka> It might [15:13] <JaneMarple9> it is pretty hard to dfeat someone without wands [15:13] <ph63915> Stripped of powers and memory charmed to forget his past life he lived out the rest of his days as a muggle [15:13] <fawkes28> true, shard [15:13] <DumbleDebbie> that would explain why we know so little about it LOL [15:13] * DoBBY has quit [Bye] [15:13] <Narya> it's certainly a better alternative than saying Harry will kill LV [15:13] <MirandaV> I think so [15:13] <Evreka> lol Debbie [15:13] <ltbrave23> i think so too narya [15:13] <Shard> It could be yes, Harry will defeat LV and LV wiull get himself killed in some way I just dont' trust LV to be allowed to live. Nut jobs like Bella might still flock to him [15:13] <fawkes28> I think it is important to know how Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald in order for Harry to move forward on his quest [15:14] * You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [15:14] <MirandaV> yes fawkes [15:14] * HPotterExpert2 left #lounge [] [15:14] <Narya> We might not be given that information, fawkes [15:14] <Evreka> agree Shard [15:14] <ProngsPatronus> I do think that patterns tend to repeat themselves. There could be a mirror to grindlewald's defeat, because harry is DD amn [15:14] <huebbe> that is where Hermonine will come in...she will read and find the answers [15:14] <Narya> it all depends on JKR's comment about DD's family [15:14] <DumbleDebbie> Lily defeated Voldy w/o a wand (or would have if he hdan't had horcurxes) [15:14] <Theoriser> Dumbledore has said that there are fates worse than death. What do you think Dumbledore meant by this statement? [15:14] <fawkes28> i dont think harry will do the exact same thing DD did but i do think he can gain knowledge from it [15:14] <cbm> I agree fawkes, I think that is something they will find out in that 1st month [15:14] <fawkes28> true, narya [15:14] <JaneMarple9> i hope we find out more about grindelwald [15:14] <huebbe> a life without love [15:14] <dumbleydore18> Ahhhhh questions are comeing too fast! [15:14] <dumbleydore18> I need time to think! [15:14] <Shard> LV would hate losing him magic and living like a Muggle but then Hitler was a Muggle... [15:14] <MrMcGonagall> Living with remorse [15:15] <Pleshette> existing without a soul [15:15] <JaneMarple9> perhaps he was a horcrux of a kind [15:15] <cbm> I thought he was talking about being soulless [15:15] <awlaisis> soulless life i think [15:15] <Evreka> No idea really - but he COULD have meant living on after being Kissed by a Dementor perhaps? [15:15] <DumbleDebbie> I think DD would rather die himself than be responsible for others dying [15:15] <Narya> Living with fear, and living without forgiveness [15:15] <Aislinn> I agree pleshette and cbm [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I would think that having to live out your fears qualifies [15:15] <Pleshette> I think so too Debbie [15:15] <ProngsPatronus> living without love, or with a torn soul--those are worse than death [15:15] <Shard> Plesette I dont think LV can live without a soul [15:15] <huebbe> but if you are souless, are you also loveless? [15:15] <cbm> I have always tied that statement with Lupin's description of the effects of someone being kssed [15:15] <Evreka> good idea Sooner [15:15] <Shard> The body could but I think the mind would be gone I mean [15:15] <awlaisis> i don't think he meant about being without magical powers because he respects muggles [15:15] <ProngsPatronus> yes, huebbe [15:16] <fawkes28> this is how the dementors could fit in [15:16] <Pleshette> Right, that's what I meant too :0 [15:16] <MirandaV> yes sooner...like LV living within constant love [15:16] <ltbrave23> but for a magical person it would be worse awlaisis [15:16] <Pleshette> [15:16] <fawkes28> i really would rather see him souless than be forced to be a muggle [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> or with no powers and being vulnerable. He would hate that [15:16] <MirandaV> yes [15:16] <ltbrave23> i agree sooner [15:16] <Theoriser> I agree fawkes, he could still cause a lot of damage even without his powers! [15:16] <fawkes28> if he was a muggle, i think he would still find a way to harm harry - there are still weapons he could use then [15:16] <DumbleDebbie> but even as a Muggle he could be responsible for hurting a whole lot of people [15:16] <huebbe> but then he could reek havoc on the muggles...hmmmmm Dursley's first! [15:16] <Evreka> me too, I'm sure he could be made use of by other Dark Wizards as such [15:16] <dumbleydore18> first there is the meaning of fate...then there is death....sometimes no matter home much a person tries to run away from their fate in life, it most likely comes around. So it is fate that by VOldy getting around his fate to die that he will eventually have to die. [15:16] <cbm> If he was a muggle some of his supporters would still flock to him [15:16] <Theoriser> In GoF, when Harry was telling Dumbledore about Voldemort taking Harry's blood, Dumbledore was described as having a "gleam of triumph" in his eyes. What do you think this mysterious gleam means? Will it play a role in destroying Voldemort? [15:16] <fawkes28> exactly what i was thinking debbie [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahah. Maybe he can lose all of his powers, and be made to clean muggle toilets the rest of his life [15:17] <Pleshette> I don't see the connection of being a Muggle as being worse than death [15:17] <awlaisis> yeah ltbrave, voldy loves his powers... nothing else he loves [15:17] <bubblehead> I hate that gleam of triumph [15:17] <huebbe> LV has some love in him he doesn't know about [15:17] <fawkes28> I love the gleam - it has to play a role in this book [15:17] <Evreka> Hmmm I think we'll find out tongue [15:17] <Narya> I think that gleam meant that DD knew that LV had made yet another mistake by taking Harry's blood [15:17] <Shard> To me the gleeam means that LVB is mortal but still has horcruxes to be found and destroyed [15:17] <cbm> Mr. Blood will be the key, but I have no idea why [15:17] <DumbleDebbie> I think up to that point DD thought Harry would have to die to defeat Voldy and in that moment he realized that Harry will ultimately live [15:17] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, LV made a fatal error in using Harry's blood. [15:17] <fawkes28> we need to know what it meant [15:17] <MirandaV> I don't know, but I'm really excited to find out! [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> ah, blood [15:17] <BellatrixPotter> what about pettigrew's debt? [15:17] <Narya> At that point, LV made himself mortal again [15:17] <bubblehead> Some people take that to mean DD was evil... [15:17] <Evreka> let's hope so Debbie! [15:17] <Aislinn> how so, Narya? [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that is the point where he really opened up the psychic connection [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> Harry's blood has some pretty powerful components in it [15:18] <huebbe> L V is for the most part pretty dense when it comes to OLD MAGIC. And it seems LILY and DD were pretty well versed. That is why LV keeps making mistakes [15:18] <Narya> which LV now has - to his detriment [15:18] <DumbleDebbie> I have no idea how anyone could read it like that bubble. makes no sense to me [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> Love, basilisk venom, phoenix tears [15:18] <cbm> Maybe it is the combination of Harry's blood and pettigrew's hand and the debt that Harry is owed by Peter? [15:18] <Evreka> Perhaps it means that there now is a DROP OF GOOD in LV? [15:18] <huebbe> yes [15:18] <Shard> I agree Evreka [15:18] <fawkes28> seems to be so, evreka [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> and Lily's sacrifice is now in LV's blood [15:18] <dumbleydore18> Mr. Blood now runs in voldies veins, maybe the protection of Lily is still there. Voldy can now touch Harry, but doesn't mean he still can't kill him. I think the power of lilys love has now internalised as in it has affected the way voldy will "play" with Harry. [15:18] <Aislinn> I don't understand how harry's blood would make LV mortal [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> and whatever old magic she used [15:19] <huebbe> yes prongs [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither [15:19] <Shard> and I think the Pheonix Song can affect that "drop of good" or as I like to say "seed of emotion" [15:19] <Aislinn> he still have Horcruxes [15:19] <bubblehead> well my friend has a DD was evil theory and there's actually some legit stuff [15:19] <Narya> It's all tied up with ancient magic and the power of sacrifice [15:19] <cbm> I have no idea [15:19] <awlaisis> voldie's gonna be forced to do something good / prevent himself doing something bad guided by that love? [15:19] <Narya> not as useful, Aislinn [15:19] <MirandaV> dd's not evil [15:19] <DumbleDebbie> maybe there's a loophole in the AK that won't let it work on a body with the same blood [15:19] <Aislinn> sorry - not making sense to me [15:19] <Pleshette> I don't believe the DD was evil theories [15:19] <Shard> LV is mortal because whatever OTHER magics he used to be immortal are gone, if LV can touch Harry then that means Harry can touch LV [15:19] <Narya> LV might have his Horcruxes, but he's being destroyed from within [15:19] <bubblehead> I don't think so either [15:19] <Shard> DD was not evil no [15:19] <awlaisis> that's a great idea dumbledebbie [15:19] <fawkes28> why, narya? because he has his blood now? [15:20] <NYBookworm> I read somwhere here on leaky the theory that since harry is only protected by blood until coming of age LV will only be able to touch until he's 17 then he once again won't be able [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> what is the current question again? [15:20] <Evreka> lol Debbie, we could hope soo [15:20] <huebbe> but there is a motif about BLOOD that even LV uses and DD is disappointed it HBP because he has to cut his arm in order to gain access [15:20] <Narya> one view of it, fawkes [15:20] <cbm> He seemed fine to me at the end of OotP [15:20] <Shard> DD realised that there was now an oppertunited to kill LV, but that there were still Horcruxes to be dealt wtih [15:20] <dumbleydore18> I like my idea...voldy won't be able to harm harry as the love of lily will block him from doing so. [15:20] <bubblehead> DD was evil theorizers can go chill with the H/HR chippers [15:20] <Aislinn> the gleam of triumph and what it meant, Prongs [15:20] <MirandaV> It's like he gave himself a blood disease...there's love in there now and it's slowing eating him up [15:20] <Theoriser> In the Hero's Journey, the Hero has to defeat the enemy alone. Do you see this being the case for Harry? [15:20] <bubblehead> shippers* [15:20] <huebbe> ultimatley yes [15:20] <dumbleydore18> yes [15:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes [15:20] <bubblehead> yup [15:20] <MirandaV> Yes... [15:20] <DumbleDebbie> in the end [15:20] <Pleshette> Yes [15:20] <huebbe> regardless of How Harry got there [15:20] <ltbrave23> yes [15:20] <Narya> Harry has to be the one to go on alone and defeat LV - it's what the storyline has built up to [15:20] <Shard> I think Harry will stil need help to get to that last battle [15:20] <Evreka> yes, Jo has even said so sad [15:20] <MirandaV> I agree bubblehead [15:21] <Aislinn> it will come down to the two of them,ultimately [15:21] <Shard> It will be like it has always been though Harry Vs Voldemort [15:21] <dumbleydore18> fate will make Harry defeat voldy [15:21] <cbm> I do not see harry alone on the journey, but the final act will be his [15:21] <Evreka> I agree cbm [15:21] <MirandaV> the final act is always Harry's [15:21] <awlaisis> dumbleydore, didn't voldy crucio harry in the graveyard, so he could harm him? [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> yes--it is going to be Harry alone who will have the tools to defeat the Dark Lord--that has been DD's work from the moment Harry was born [15:21] <fawkes28> Harry has to go at it alone in the end - that is how it has to be [15:21] <Aislinn> yes, shard, leading up to it he will make use of his strength - the love he has for others and the love they have for him [15:21] <dumbleydore18> fate always comes when a person tries to avoid it [15:21] <huebbe> it is his destiny [15:21] <MrMcGonagall> Harry will have help along the way, but the coup de grace is something only he can do. [15:21] <JaneMarple9> harry will have the trio with him [15:21] <Shard> Harry has many tools to defeat LV and LV underestimates them all [15:21] <JaneMarple9> possibily Neville too [15:21] <fawkes28> i think up until the final battle - just like in PS/SS - he had his support until the final showdown [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> so does Harry, Shard [15:22] <Evreka> Why would Ron and Hermione let him though? Unless they were dead? sad [15:22] <huebbe> I think Neville will be huge [15:22] <Pleshette> his greatest weakness I believe Shard [15:22] <bubblehead> I think the reason Harry has had so many people taken away from him is becuase he needs to go on alone [15:22] <huebbe> his character has been building duing the last 6 books [15:22] <Evreka> I don't huebbe [15:22] <JaneMarple9> and me tpp Huebbe [15:22] <DumbleDebbie> there may be a barrier that only Harry can pass through or something Evreka [15:22] <awlaisis> in the very end he can alone do whatever it takes to defeat voldy [15:22] <MirandaV> I don't think they have to be dead, merely incapacitated Evreka [15:22] <Shard> I agree Prongs and that is what I think Harry needs to learn in the Room that is locked [15:22] <MrMcGonagall> I agree fawkes [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> they already knew this to be true in PS/SS--that Harry is the one who would go on to the end [15:22] <MirandaV> Just like they always have been [15:22] <Shard> Neville will play a role as well, but it will be H vs LV [15:22] <DumbleDebbie> it always ends up with harry alone in the end [15:22] <Theoriser> Often the Hero receives help from the dead. How will those who are beyond the veil help Harry defeat Voldemort? [15:22] <MirandaV> Exactly Prongs [15:23] <Evreka> Ah yes, like you need Parseltongue... right, Debbie [15:23] <MirandaV> not me, not Hermione, you [15:23] <huebbe> oh yes agreed shard, [15:23] <fawkes28> it wouldnt be called - Harry Potter and the.... if he didnt face the bad guy alone in the end [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> they may be the "Deathly Hallows" [15:23] <Shard> Ok here's my crazy theory: [15:23] <Shard> Spirits or Shades of those voldmoet killed may come out through the Priori Incatatum effect and they take him through the veil; [15:23] <huebbe> Sirus [15:23] <Narya> I see his father helping him, and possibly a couple of others [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> the mirror, for one [15:23] <awlaisis> sirius! yes, he will... but how, i dunno [15:23] <MirandaV> I think it's knowledge [15:23] <fawkes28> i think that is a strong possibly shard [15:23] <ltbrave23> i agree miranda [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> and love [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they have more knowledge of the Old Magic [15:23] <Evreka> "Thanks" to LV there are MANY good friends to Harry there [15:23] <Aislinn> I thik that Harry will find a way to communicate witht hem - the mirror, through the veil, something [15:23] <dumbleydore18> awlaisis, I mean that Voldy won't be able to use Avada on Harry. He won't be able to kill harry because of Mr. Blood and lily being internalised with voldy. his power to kill harry will be blocked, he will die from it I think. So in essence Harry wouldhave killed LV through blood. DOes that make sense? [15:23] <Pleshette> Yes Miranda I think so too [15:23] <fawkes28> i wonder if he will be able to contact them somehow through the love room [15:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol, true Evreka sad [15:23] <Narya> Didn't Jo say the mirror would be important, but not as important as we think? [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> they will show him the fruits of love in the afterworld [15:23] <MirandaV> yes prongs [15:24] <huebbe> not ghosts...but perhaps strength through courage [15:24] <Evreka> hope so Aislinn [15:24] <Shard> Oh Harry has many on his side thanks to LV, LV is going DOWN [15:24] <bubblehead> Well with the Priori Incantatem the dead came back to help Harry so if we see that again I think we can see the dead help Harry [15:24] <MirandaV> I think he will learn a lot and that will help him defeat LV [15:24] <huebbe> yeap This post has been edited by Mr. McGonagall: Feb 11 2007, 05:28 PM -------------------- Come cast your vote for Wize Wizard and Chocolate Frog Card chat topics in the Corner Booth Forum!

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Playing dominoes with the Fat Friar Posts: 2,189 Joined: 1:22pm June 3, 2006 Location: Visiting Luna to have wrackspurts removed	[15:24] <fawkes28> hero's have gone to other worlds and come back alive - even though it is extremely difficult [15:24] <fawkes28> i could see harry having to do that [15:24] <Theoriser> Will Harry have to forgive Voldemort in order to defeat him? [15:24] <Evreka> Not as important as we thought it would have been in OOTP but better used later - Narya [15:24] <Narya> I've thought that for a long time, fawkes [15:24] <huebbe> ewwwww..... [15:24] <MirandaV> I think he will go through the veil and come back [15:24] <Evreka> ew [15:24] <cbm> No [15:25] <Narya> I think Harry has to forgive, yes [15:25] <Evreka> hopefully not [15:25] <MrMcGonagall> I can't see Harry taking time out to do an Orpheus in the Underworld thing. [15:25] <Shard> I dont know [15:25] <MirandaV> No, he already has empathy for him and I think that is enough [15:25] <Narya> Not so much, Mr McG, but another spin on it! [15:25] <Shard> I can't forgive someone who killed my parents like that... [15:25] <fawkes28> Harry has to forgive him in order to reach self-actualization [15:25] <Evreka> I won't whatever Harry does... tongue [15:25] <huebbe> Ugh having to forgive someone for killing your parents, god father, and good friend? [15:25] <cbm> I think he wil pity him, not forgive him [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry will have to lose his hatred of Lv to defeat him [15:25] <BellatrixPotter> i dont think harry is capable of avada kedavra to be honest [15:25] <ph63915> i dont think harry can forgive him [15:25] <huebbe> He's a better person than I would be [15:25] <Theoriser> agreed cbm [15:25] <Pleshette> I don't think so, just empathy [15:26] <MrMcGonagall> No, I don't think forgiveness is very possible for LV. LV doesn't seek forgiveness, anyway. [15:26] <huebbe> But I CAN see him doing the right thing....like not killing Peter [15:26] <MirandaV> I don't think he really does hate him Prongs...he feels sorry for him in a lot of ways and if you can empathize with someone I don't think you truly hate them [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> forgiveness isn't always about the person being forgiven [15:26] <Theoriser> it makes me think of when he was in Dumbledore's office after seeing one of the memories, and he was so adamant that he wasn't feeling sorry for Voldy [15:26] <Evreka> no he doesn't [15:26] <Narya> LV might not seek it, but someone needs to give it [15:26] <fawkes28> He has to be able to let it go - which I think he will be able to do with Voldemort - i dont know if he will ever be able to forgive other people though [15:26] <Pleshette> Forgiveness may come years from now but I don't think Harry needs it to defeat LV [15:26] <fawkes28> very true, theoriser [15:26] <Evreka> I agree Pleschette [15:26] <Narya> I'm sure Harry has enough maturity now to forgive if the time is right [15:26] <Evreka> Pleshette [15:26] <awlaisis> dumbleydore, you mean that voldy doing ak kinda kills harry's blood, and because he has the same blood, he kills himself in the progress? [15:27] <dumbleydore18> why would Harry want to forvie Voldemort? It's like asking a family member seeing their family get killed and asked to forgive the murderer. I think forgiveness is out of the question. [15:27] <fawkes28> I think some magic will be invoked when Harry is able to forgive Voldemort - which will lead to his defeat [15:27] <Evreka> me too [15:27] <Narya> If forgiveness is out of the question, why has JKR written her series the way she has? [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it is vital [15:27] <huebbe> Perhaps through Fawkes [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> love cannot exist where there is hatred [15:27] <Theoriser> Voldemort has already underestimated old magic and he lost his body and his power. Will Voldemort once again be impaled by his own sword?* [15:27] <dumbleydore18> something like that awlaisis, except only Voldy dies [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> and vice versa [15:27] <fawkes28> exactly prongs [15:27] <Evreka> Can you explain what you mean Narya? [15:27] <Pleshette> Many people learn to forgive over time through trying to understand the motivations of a person [15:27] <huebbe> yes [15:27] <MirandaV> Like I stated before I don't think he hates him [15:27] <Aislinn> definitely [15:28] * ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [15:28] <Narya> I think LV is going to make more mistakes, yes [15:28] <Evreka> yes [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> Harry must do something to rid himself of his hatred for LV [15:28] <fawkes28> Oh yes - the fool will be impaled by his own sword [15:28] <BellatrixPotter> dumblydore - some people do have immense forgiveness capable of that [15:28] <Shard> Yes! [15:28] <MirandaV> But if anybody could forgive him, it would be Harry [15:28] <fawkes28> he will destroy himself because he still underestimates Harry [15:28] <Evreka> but only after LV is GONE - provided Harry lives... [15:28] <cbm> yes, just like tryijng to duel harry at the graveyard, VD has shown he makes mistakes [15:28] <DumbleDebbie> he continues to underestimate that that he dispises. it'll happen again [15:28] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, LV made a fatal error in using Mr. Blood. [15:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol, yes he did Mr M [15:28] <Pleshette> Absolutely [15:28] <Shard> LV is so not seeing what is special about Harry that Harry has so many supporters and thorugh that supoport and love Harry has the ability to give LV the smnack down [15:28] <fawkes28> right when Voldy thinks he has the upper hand, he fails miserably [15:28] <awlaisis> forgive voldemort? sounds corny... even JK said that Dudley deserves that bad treatment from Harry... and voldemort is just. evil maniac. [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> Voldemort will always underestimate those forms of magic which have to do with his weaknesses [15:28] <MirandaV> Most likely, he is in ways a stupid man, he lets his arrogance dictate his actions [15:29] <huebbe> there is blood in every book, and I think that is what will come in at the end....LV will mistake the BLOOD that Harry possess [15:29] <DumbleDebbie> actually I wonder if it would be harder for Harry to forgive Snape than it would for him to forgive Voldy [15:29] <fawkes28> i think it will debbie [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so [15:29] <Evreka> interesting thought Debbie... [15:29] <Narya> It's hard for Harry to forgive either of them, but it has to be done [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> I think that may be the case, DD [15:29] <MirandaV> Because he witnessed and remembers that death Debbie? [15:29] <fawkes28> i agree completely, narya [15:29] * dumbleydore18 has quit [Bye] [15:29] * bohemian has joined #lounge [15:29] <DumbleDebbie> Snape has been a real, bodily, hateful presense in Harry's every day life for all these years [15:30] <fawkes28> hi bohemian [15:30] <Shard> Lv thinks that Love is weak when it is actually strong and that has always been his weakness, he feels rejected byu love and so in turn rejects it and makes himseld vulnarable by not trusting anyone and not inspiring others the way Harry does [15:30] <Aislinn> yes, debbie, it's much more personal between harry and snape [15:30] <bohemian> hi [15:30] <MirandaV> Yes, I agree debbie [15:30] <awlaisis> hello bohemian [15:30] <MirandaV> and Aislinn [15:30] <Evreka> I yes - and he killed Albus! [15:30] <cbm> I agree DD, Snape is the person who started Harry's journey by giving the the prophecy to CD [15:30] <Theoriser> Will Harry have to sacrifice himself in order to defeat Voldemort? [15:30] <MirandaV> NO WAY! [15:30] <DumbleDebbie> yes, and Harry watched helpless Evreka [15:30] * cbm has quit [Bye] [15:30] <huebbe> Yes, I think so [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> sigh [15:30] <bubblehead> NOOOO [15:30] <Evreka> Let's hope not - please Jo? [15:30] <Narya> It's entirely possible, Theoriser [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> I hope not [15:30] * cbm has joined #lounge [15:30] <Aislinn> I think he will have to be willing to [15:30] <DumbleDebbie> I think he'll have to be willing to sacrifice himself yes [15:30] <BellatrixPotter> LV could kill someone close to harry eg. ron and harry just go over the top after all that LV has done and somehow destroys him [15:30] <bubblehead> I hope not!!!!! [15:30] <MirandaV> HARRY WILL LIVE! [15:30] <huebbe> but i hope not [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> yes, Aislinn [15:31] <MrMcGonagall> I'm on record as believing quite firmly that this is the case. [15:31] <Narya> Harry has always been willing to, but he might not need to [15:31] <Aislinn> but that is not the same as actually sacrificing himself - I don't think that will happen [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps that willingness will be enough [15:31] <Pleshette> Yes the willingness Aislinn but hopefully not the act [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> I'm hoping the gleam and the blood will provide a loophole for Harry to ultimately live [15:31] <cbm> He may try to, but not actually be killed [15:31] <fawkes28> I agree aislinn - he will be willing but will not die [15:31] <huebbe> me too Mr. M [15:31] <MirandaV> Well, okay he would have to be willing to, but I dn't think he will die [15:31] <fawkes28> Yes, Mr. M - we have you on the record [15:31] <Shard> Yes Harry needs to survive [15:31] <bohemian> are we debating whether harry will live or die? [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> although I do think that we, as readers, will be lead to belive he is dead for a time [15:31] <Pleshette> It's possible Debbie [15:31] <awlaisis> harry dies, or if he lives he'll be injured somehow... i hope not mentally, but that's possible [15:31] <Aislinn> that's possible debbie [15:31] <fawkes28> Voldemort - how will he be defeated? - bohemian [15:31] <DumbleDebbie> I think the phoenix symbolism will play out with Harry [15:31] <huebbe> and the kiss of Ginny will bring him back? [15:31] <Evreka> wouldn't surprise me, Debbie... [15:31] <Theoriser> that's a good idea debbie [15:31] <MirandaV> Maybe...goodness that would stink though [15:31] <cbm> That is very possible Dd [15:32] * nympheart has joined #lounge [15:32] <MirandaV> Too Snow White in reverse I think huebbe [15:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi nymph [15:32] <huebbe> lol [15:32] <Evreka> lol [15:32] <Pleshette> lol [15:32] <nympheart> hello [15:32] * Shard imagines Harry and Ginny after defeating LV riding off in the sunset on Sirius's motorbike [15:32] <huebbe> I thought I'd try [15:32] <fawkes28> i just don't think Jo would tell us this whole story of harry's life just to kill him off in the end [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> lol [15:32] <Pleshette> hahahaha [15:32] <MirandaV> laugh [15:32] <Shard> I agree Fawkes28 [15:32] <nympheart> what's the topic? [15:32] <Narya> She's surprised us consistently, so that's not beyond her [15:32] <Pleshette> I agree fawkes [15:32] <MirandaV> Me either fawkes [15:32] <huebbe> she already has told us we will be questioning forever...... [15:32] <cbm> I agree fawkes, that is why I think Harry will live [15:33] <fawkes28> How will Voldemort be defeated? - nymph [15:33] <Aislinn> and I don't prefer to see Harrry as a Jesus figure for the wizarding world [15:33] <MrMcGonagall> Jo isn't just going to "kill him off." It's not going to be that casual. [15:33] <bubblehead> yea, would Jo really be like let me write a book about a boy who's life sucks and then he dies? [15:33] <Evreka> I would hate to see Harry die - but my hatred to see people go has saved noone thus far, so... [15:33] <bohemian> i'm probably in the monority, but i think harry will have to die [15:33] <MirandaV> Yes, but she also said this is her favorite book...that gives me hope [15:33] <Shard> I think there will be surprises Narya I just don't think Harry dying would be onme of them [15:33] <bohemian> minority* [15:33] <Narya> We'll see, Shard [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Jo is a better writer than having Harry die [15:33] <JaneMarple9> great vision Shard! \dance/ [15:33] <nympheart> Harry's not going to die, HP isn't that kind of story [15:33] <MirandaV> Me either Aislinn [15:33] <huebbe> no minority [15:33] <JaneMarple9> [15:33] <fawkes28> yes, sooner [15:33] <BellatrixPotter> i agree bohemian [15:33] * MrMcGonagall links arms with huebbe and bohemian [15:33] <awlaisis> but fawkes, the story ends in the end of the serie, why shouldn't harry's too. [15:33] <Narya> Why not, nympheart? [15:33] <MirandaV> Me too Sooner [15:33] <Theoriser> Harry needs to destroy the Horcruxes before Voldemort can be defeated. At the end of HBP, Ron and Hermione planned to go with Harry to destroy the Horcruxes. The Trio first need to find out what the Horcruxes are and where they are located. How much will Harry depend on Ron and Hermione to help him find them? [15:34] <huebbe> glad to know I'm not alone! [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is important that active love be successful [15:34] <JaneMarple9> yeah [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry will live [15:34] <Pleshette> But why does it have to end with Harry dying? [15:34] <huebbe> A WHOLE LOT [15:34] <cbm> A huge help, just like SS/PS [15:34] <fawkes28> exactly, pleshette - it doesnt [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> more than he wants to [15:34] <Aislinn> because his mom died so he could live, awlaisis, not so he could be killed off [15:34] <DumbleDebbie> I think that Ron and Hermione will be invaluable to that task [15:34] <Narya> I think that Ron and Hermione will help, but Harry needs to rely on his own resources too [15:34] <JaneMarple9> he'll depend on them a lot [15:34] <Shard> Alot [15:34] <Evreka> A lot I think - and on Bill! [15:34] <fawkes28> I don't think Harry will be able to find them all if he doesnt have the two of them [15:34] <Pleshette> Of course smile [15:34] <nympheart> some, but not too much [15:34] <Shard> and I hop his second trio as well [15:34] <bohemian> because..first of all..that would be the happy ending (imo) because he would be reunited with his parents..secondly..i think he'll have to make the sacrifice for the greater good [15:34] <MirandaV> I don't think it will be as much as before...I think they will be more of a moral support thing, he is capable on his own [15:34] <JaneMarple9> nice similie, like the PS/SS [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think that without the trio, Harry will not succeed in his quest for the horcruxes [15:35] <huebbe> Hermonie has the book brains and Ron has knowledge of the Wizarding world the the other two don't have [15:35] <fawkes28> exactly, cbm - just like the first book and the tasks [15:35] <awlaisis> because a price has to be paid [15:35] <bubblehead> He needs his friends to be there for him, but once again, he needs to stand alone againts LV [15:35] <MirandaV> I think that's too Jesus bohemian [15:35] <JaneMarple9> yes huebbe [15:35] <Narya> Harry also has to be independent, PP [15:35] <Aislinn> his parents would not view it as a happy ending to have their son die at 17, bohemian [15:35] <nympheart> I think they key to finding the Horcruxes is knowing LV, and Harry beats Ron and Hermione in that department [15:35] <BellatrixPotter> i think harry will find them all to at least put LV and harry equal [15:35] <Aislinn> they want him to LIVE [15:35] <bohemian> maybe..but i still think so [15:35] <fawkes28> each of the trio has their own strengths - they complete each other - they need to find them together [15:35] <Narya> that's vital in what he has to do [15:35] <MirandaV> exactly bohemian [15:35] <MirandaV> I mean Aislinn [15:35] <Evreka> rifght Aislinn [15:35] <Evreka> right [15:35] <huebbe> yes Fawkes but just like SS/PS potions and chess [15:35] <Aislinn> just like any parent [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> yes--he has to be independent, but that does not mean they will destroy the Horcruxes--only help him find them [15:36] <cbm> But Hermione has shown she can learn, so it will help to have another opinion on the matter [15:36] <Evreka> right fawkes [15:36] <ph63915> They need the team work to get through [15:36] <Pleshette> I agree Aislinn [15:36] <Narya> True, PP [15:36] <Narya> we're on the same page, I think [15:36] <huebbe> we could have seperate chats about these two topics! [15:36] <Evreka> which one ? wink [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> yeppers [15:36] <Theoriser> How big of a role will Ron and Hermione play in actually destroying parts of Voldemort’s soul?* [15:36] <Shard> I think big ones [15:36] <MirandaV> I agree Prongs, they may help with the search, but the bulk of the work will be up to Harry, he's no dunce on his own [15:36] <Shard> and Neville, Ginny and Luna as wel [15:36] <Evreka> we'll see [15:36] <DumbleDebbie> hmmm, I don't know tongueonder: [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is harry's venue [15:37] <Narya> In the sense that they are there for Harry when he needs them, they play a part [15:37] <cbm> I think Harry will have to do the actual destruction [15:37] <MirandaV> I don't think they will actually destroy them [15:37] <nympheart> very little, I think Harry's doing the actual destroying, but they can help him get that far [15:37] <Aislinn> I think that Hermione's intelligence and ability to collect needed information will be vital in helping to track down the Horcruxes [15:37] <Narya> but the battle is Harry's not theirs [15:37] <Pleshette> I think Hermione's book knowledge may help them destroy a horcrux [15:37] <huebbe> I can see them instrcutiong him but Harry will have to destroy them. [15:37] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they can each toss one through the veil wink [15:37] <bubblehead> well i have to go. It's been lovely chatting. Bye guys! [15:37] <Shard> Ron's strategizing will help as well [15:37] <Evreka> nice smiley Debbie! laugh [15:37] <cbm> But Hermione may figure out the method by seeing how the diary was destroyed [15:37] <fawkes28> i don't think that Harry will let them destroy the Horcruxes - he doesnt want them to get hurt [15:37] <huebbe> bye bubblehead [15:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol Evreka, odd eh? [15:37] <Aislinn> and Ron's knowledge of the wizarding world will also help, as will his loyalty in defending Harry [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think they will be involved in helping him figure out how best to destroy them, but the deed is his to do. [15:37] <bohemian> i think ron and hermione will be very important in helping harry to find them..don't know how big a part they'll play in destroying them [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, fawkes [15:37] * bubblehead has quit [Bye] [15:37] <Pleshette> Not sure about Ron, unless some of his wizarding "streetwise" abilitly helps [15:38] <fawkes28> right, cbm - she may figure out how to do it but Harry will be th eone to actually do it [15:38] <MirandaV> I don't think Hermione's book knowledge will help destroy one, Harry has already destroyed one on his own...he will know what to do like he did with the diarry [15:38] <Aislinn> I think he is a Keeper, Pleshette - his role is defense [15:38] <huebbe> but it seems that Ron doesn't ever know what he knows about...untill he says it! [15:38] <Shard> Ron has the ability to strategize, like with the chess match [15:38] <bohemian> like an instinct, mirandav? [15:38] <Shard> I agree Aislinn [15:38] <MirandaV> Yes, he has great instincts that Harry Potter laugh [15:38] <ph63915> Ron will point Ahrry to Bill to help with the curses [15:38] <ProngsPatronus> Ron has more than street smarts--he has an intimate knowledge of how the WW works [15:38] <Evreka> I think Bill will need to help - Curse breaker as he is [15:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think that will become crucial in the last book [15:38] <fawkes28> that is a very good point, evreka [15:39] <huebbe> yes prongs [15:39] <Aislinn> yes, I agree evreka [15:39] * dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [15:39] <Shard> I think there are alot odf ppl that cna help Harry [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Bill could be a great resource Evreka [15:39] <Narya> That role also applies to Harry, Aislinn - in the rune which links him to LV [15:39] <Evreka> but he'll get involvedthrough Ron so.. [15:39] <DumbleDebbie> hi dumbley [15:39] <Pleshette> Yes Ais and PP [15:39] <dumbleydore18> what was the last question? [15:39] * DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [15:39] * DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [15:39] <Theoriser> In OotP, Neville, Ginny, and Luna played a big role in helping Harry at the Ministry. What role will this secondary Trio play in DH? [15:39] <dumbleydore18> hi Debbie [15:40] <Pleshette> I wonder if Hermione's knowledge of the 12 uses of dragon's blood will aid Harry to destroy a horcrux [15:40] <huebbe> DA will ride again [15:40] <Narya> I think they'll be around as the secondary battles are fought [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Ginny will play a huge role [15:40] <Shard> Backing up the Horcrux hunt and the DA smile [15:40] <MirandaV> I think they will help in the big battles [15:40] <huebbe> I could see that pleshette [15:40] <bohemian> i think neville will do something big in the final battle [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> could be Pleshette [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think that the "second" trio will defend hogwarts [15:40] <nympheart> I think so too Narya [15:40] <Evreka> I think Ginny will play a significant one - less sure about the other two [15:40] <cbm> Ginny will play a huge role, I think that neville will be there for Bela, and I have no idea about luna [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think they will each have some key part to play [15:40] <Pleshette> Yes defense [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed prongs. I think that Ginny will be the one to organize the students [15:40] <DumbleDebbie> they've been set up in the story to do that [15:40] <huebbe> Neville will have his revenge [15:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think they will be like the junior Order [15:40] <Aislinn> I think all of them will play a role in resisting LV and his army - probably at the school [15:40] <Narya> I don't see that, huebbe [15:41] <MirandaV> Yes, I think so too Sooner and Prongs [15:41] <fawkes28> i can see them fighting battles but i dont think they will play a part in the Horcrux Hunt or in the final battle [15:41] <BellatrixPotter> she could do the bat bogey hex [15:41] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner and Debbie [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> and I think that Neville will be head Boy--thus lending Ginny some important support [15:41] <huebbe> Harry can't see his parents...there dead.....Neville has to witness it all time [15:41] <nympheart> Ginny will prove to Harry that she can help fight [15:41] <fawkes28> defending hogwarts is a great idea, prongs [15:41] <Narya> That's a good point, PP [15:41] <dumbleydore18> gasp as some of you know...I like arithmancy....the number 9 is usually seen as 3 sets of 3. i think Ron, Hermione, and Harry will help, Luna, Neville, and Ginny will help, while another trio will come in handy. ooooooooooooo [15:41] * huebbe has quit [Bye] [15:41] <Evreka> I don't think Hogwarts will open as school [15:41] <ph63915> I look forward to seeing Luna floating in and out of conversations [15:41] <Narya> it would do Neville so much good [15:41] <Pleshette> That seems likely Sooner but I don't see Neville bent on revenge, defense yes [15:41] <JaneMarple9> Ginny and Nevilles are vital to book 7 [15:41] <nympheart> teachers maybe, dumbley? [15:41] * huebbe has joined #lounge [15:41] <dumbleydore18> maybe nymph [15:42] <huebbe> ok, that was weird [15:42] <Aislinn> I have lots of reasons to think it will, evreka, but that is another chat smile [15:42] <Shard> I agree Dumblydore [15:42] <bohemian> maybe luna can give harry some clues about the horcruxes..with all the weird knowledge she has [15:42] <Narya> I think Neville has a greater role to play than simply being put in as Bellatrix's come-uppance [15:42] <cbm> I do not think neville will go for revenge, I just think the opportunity will present itself [15:42] <JaneMarple9> if Neville killed Bella or sent her to Azkaban! That would be so great [15:42] <Pleshette> I agree Narya [15:42] <Evreka> not a Wednesday one I hope.... I zzzzleep then wink [15:42] <fawkes28> i think so too, narya [15:42] <huebbe> I just see him as quite possibly having the capability for revenge than any other character [15:42] <Narya> Neville will not kill Bellatrix - it's not in his nature [15:42] <Pleshette> Neville will not be a killer either [15:42] <Shard> I think Neville killing Bella would change who Neville is [15:42] <Theoriser> Harry was guided and taught by Dumbledore in HBP. Will any mentor figure help and guide Harry on how to destroy Voldemort? [15:42] <Shard> No [15:43] <huebbe> not that he would act on it....but it will be difficult for him [15:43] <Shard> Harry no longer needs mentors [15:43] <DumbleDebbie> I think in DH he has to do it on his own [15:43] <Narya> I think the only mentor Harry has left is Remus Lupin [15:43] <nympheart> no, Harry has to break off on his own a bit [15:43] <cbm> The hero has to finish his journey on his own [15:43] <Evreka> no, it's been done [15:43] <ProngsPatronus> no--I think Dd has honed his weapon well [15:43] <DumbleDebbie> he has to make the decisions now [15:43] <fawkes28> i dont think he will seek out advice to readily [15:43] <huebbe> no [15:43] <Evreka> but he'll learn more anyway [15:43] <dumbleydore18> yesssss arithmancy number 9...three sets of three, the powers of greatness and sucess...yes I got it! woohoo [15:43] <huebbe> Harry has all the information he needs from DD [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry knows what he needs to know. He may not be aware of it . . . [15:43] <Theoriser> I think order members and Ron and Hermione could help him a little, and advise him, but for destroying Voldy he will be on his own [15:43] <Evreka> not all, but he might find out more [15:43] <huebbe> agreed Mr.M [15:44] <fawkes28> I think that Lupin may be there more as emotional support for Harry but I don't see him fulfilling the role anywhere near where DD did [15:44] <Evreka> there MUST be a reason Jo refused to comment on Grindelwald [15:44] <huebbe> it's like Luke Skywalker when Obi Won sacrificed himself [15:44] <MirandaV> I think DH is when Harry will finally come into his own...I think we will see him become his own person even to the point of doing more on his own. He will not sacrifice his friendships or anything, just beecome more self reliant and willind to do the work [15:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Lupin will be friend--not mentor [15:44] <Pleshette> Harry is on more of an equal footing now with the Order members. He may still seek advice but not need a mentor [15:44] <JaneMarple9> lupin will be harry's connection with sirus and james [15:44] <Aislinn> I think that Harry will be able to rely on his connections to many people, but I don't think he will have a mentor in this book [15:44] <ph63915> Not sure about mentoring but I think DDs brother will certainly give him avice [15:44] <Narya> Not the same role, fawkes, but Remus still has a role to play [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> no mentor [15:44] <nympheart> I agree Prongs, not a mentor [15:44] <JaneMarple9> lupin will be his mentor [15:44] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:44] <Evreka> he grew in to being a greast Leader in HBP [15:44] <huebbe> He's on his own now [15:44] <ProngsPatronus> Harry has a penchant for losing his mentors [15:44] <nympheart> Lupin will be busy with Fenrir [15:44] <Evreka> great [15:45] <Evreka> He'll leasd on in DH [15:45] <cbm> I hate to think that if lupin starts off as a mentor in DH, his life expectancy will be very short [15:45] <dumbleydore18> I think that Harry will find Ollivander and Olli, knowing a great deal about the brother wands, will aid in helping defeat voldemort wand wise, like he knows a little trick that voldy doesnt know. ... [15:45] <Narya> Harry doesn't need a mentor in the sense that he needs an older adult - he needs someone who knew his parents well, and that's Remus - he also needs someone who knows Snape well [15:45] <awlaisis> yeah aberforth giving advice. he certainly doesn't seem mentor type of person [15:45] <Pleshette> I think we may see them communicate via patronuses but not meet as often as before [15:45] <nympheart> I'm not sure if Harry will use a wand at all to defeat LV [15:45] <Aislinn> I think as an ally, yes Narya, but not as a mentor [15:45] <Theoriser> Harry has had to travel in people’s memories in order to gain greater knowledge in his quest against Voldemort. Are there any more memories that Harry will need to see before moving on to his final battle? [15:45] <Shard> REmus has a role to play as does Arthur but neither are mentors [15:45] <fawkes28> DD told him not to tell anyone but Ron and Hermione about the horcruxes - i think Harry takes that to heart [15:46] <huebbe> Snape [15:46] <MirandaV> Yes Prongs and at the end of HBP he even thought to himself that his last great defender was gone and that he learned the lesson that he should of learned at the age of 1, that there will not always be someone there to protect you from the dark or evil or whatever I dont remember the exact wording [15:46] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, his own [15:46] <cbm> I think so [15:46] <Pleshette> Yes I think so [15:46] <nympheart> probably [15:46] <Shard> YES Harry nbeeds to see the night that LV killed his parents [15:46] <ProngsPatronus> what harry needs is knowledge--not mentoring. After all, he has already had the greatest of all mentors, DD--how could anyone fill those shoes? [15:46] <Evreka> I think he will learn about Albus and Grindelwald somehow [15:46] <Aislinn> Dumbledore's [15:46] <Evreka> and that it will be important [15:46] <Pleshette> Very true Prongs [15:46] <huebbe> Bring out the pensive and the time turner [15:46] <fawkes28> i think that Jo has already proved to us that learning about the past is very important to figuring out the future - so i think we will see more memories [15:46] <Narya> If there are more memories, then he needs to see DD's and possibly Snape's [15:46] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that'd be cool Evreka [15:46] <cbm> I would hope that Dumbledore leaves him a pensive [15:46] <ProngsPatronus> yes, miranda [15:46] <Evreka> agree Narya [15:47] <ph63915> If I was Harry id want to have another look in the pensive [15:47] <fawkes28> me too - i would love to see DD's memories [15:47] <Evreka> me too! [15:47] <bohemian> 't jk say somewhere that harry doesn't need a montor though? i might be wrong [15:47] <Shard> Harry needs to know who else was at Godrics Hollow that night [15:47] <dumbleydore18> yes, possibly some of snape's memories or other teacher's memories that were atthe school teaching at the time of TR. But who's to say that the Pensieve has survived? [15:47] <huebbe> especially on the night in question [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I think DD has left the pensieve and the sword to harry [15:47] <fawkes28> I wonder if Harry will be able to use his own memory from that night from GH [15:47] <awlaisis> it would be useful if there was more of house-elf memories, they know a lot about things happened [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I'll want to see more memories. [15:47] <Narya> In terms of his auditory memory, fawkes? [15:47] <Pleshette> I wonder that too fawkes [15:47] <MirandaV> I think we will definitely see the pensieve again....and I think we may see some of Snapes memories also [15:47] <Aislinn> he should be able to fawkes, with the pensieve [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> well, Harry never told the two house-elves to stop following malfoy [15:47] <huebbe> good point...auditory or visual [15:48] <cbm> I think it my be possible as the memory is there [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> I bet they are still doing it [15:48] <fawkes28> yes but visual too [15:48] <Evreka> that's a VERY interesting thought fawkes... how much does baby Harry know... [15:48] <fawkes28> it is supposed to be an objective view [15:48] <Aislinn> right [15:48] <Narya> I'm sure he will [15:48] <MirandaV> I think maybe returning to GH will help stimulate that memory fawkes [15:48] <fawkes28> so harry would not have to have seen everything [15:48] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's what I meant by Harry needs to see his own memories, the one of GH [15:48] <Narya> He remembers the flash, which I think is vital [15:48] <fawkes28> but someone needs to give him the hint to do this - because that may be the most important memory [15:48] <huebbe> but wasn't he upstairs while James was downstaris? [15:48] mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [15:48] <dumbleydore18> I want to know if the pensieve was ever destroyed...that might be hard for harry in search of a horcrux [15:48] <DumbleDebbie> the pensieve shows everything even things behind the person whose memory it is [15:48] <mollywobbles23> hi! [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think JKr said that Harry did not see his parents die [15:48] <huebbe> hi [15:48] <DumbleDebbie> hi molly [15:48] <MirandaV> hi molly [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> it would be an auditory memory [15:49] <Aislinn> he was in the room though [15:49] <Shard> Harry was a year and halve [15:49] <huebbe> the screaming and the last dialouge [15:49] <Narya> Correct PP, but he remembers the flash [15:49] <fawkes28> true, prongs but i think we need to know who else was there that night [15:49] <Shard> Harry does have to visiualy see every detail [15:49] <mollywobbles23> what is the question? [15:49] <huebbe> I vote for Lucious [15:49] <Aislinn> pensieve memories seem to show more complete memories [15:49] <cbm> But Lily died in the room so her death would be visible in the pensive [15:49] <Theoriser> In PS/SS, Harry used the Mirror of Erised to prevent Lord Voldemort from getting stronger. Will he use the Mirror or some other object, like the sword of Gryffindor, to help him destroy Voldemort? [15:49] <bohemian> but harry rmembers the green light and laughter..so i suppose he at least saw her mom die [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> I agree--but I don't know that Harry will have those memories--but DD might [15:49] <dumbleydore18> being a baby does not prevent a person from ahving or remembering memories....subconsiosly harry could have seen them die [15:49] <Evreka> maybe - but if it's just a sound memory? [15:49] <Shard> How would it be a sound memory? [15:50] * BellatrixPotter has quit [Bye] [15:50] <MrMcGonagall> Only 11 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next P3 chat, here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...view=getnewpost [15:50] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [15:50] <Shard> Certainly Snape wasn't close enough to hear JAmes and the Muaraders [15:50] <Evreka> if he didn't see her die [15:50] <dumbleydore18> maybe harry will stab voldemort with the sword.... [15:50] <Pleshette> Do you think DD was there Prongs? [15:50] <Narya> I think Harry might have the sword, but I'm not sure why he needs it yet ... the mirror I think will come back in some way [15:50] <Shard> I dont think Harry will use the sword or Miroror [15:50] <cbm> The memory of the persong does not matter, the pensive plays back the real events [15:50] <Narya> I don't see Harry stabbing LV with a sword, no [15:50] <MirandaV> I'm not sure....I think the veil is the most likely candidate here...but not directly [15:50] <awlaisis> i think harry is stupid if he doesn't ask kreacher about the things happened among the blacks and lestranges,malfoys... he has to know a lot. and he has to tell harry his master doesn't he [15:50] <Shard> It will be Harry's will and love that defeats him, abstract things that you cannot touch will be the kewy [15:50] <fawkes28> it would be interesting if the mirror helped him locate a horcrux [15:50] <mollywobbles23> I don't think he'll use the sword on Voldemort; maybe on Nagini. [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> he had the invisibility cloak [15:51] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [15:51] <huebbe> I agree Shard the mirror and sword "card" have already been played out [15:51] <nympheart> I think objects will help him along the way, but for actually defeating LV in the final battle, he'll be on his own [15:51] <huebbe> yes [15:51] <huebbe> Jo doesn [15:51] <MirandaV> I agree nymph [15:51] <Evreka> This discussion will continue in Chamber of Chat/Student Hall .... You're welcome over. smile [15:51] <fawkes28> i wonder if there are any objects that we have not been introduced to that will help him [15:51] <huebbe> t like to repeat herself [15:51] <Pleshette> I agree nymph [15:51] <Theoriser> Was there or will there be another Prophecy made that will give Harry greater incite on how to defeat Voldemort? [15:51] <mollywobbles23> no [15:51] <huebbe> no [15:51] <cbm> No [15:51] <fawkes28> i wonder about all those silver instruments that DD has in his office [15:51] <dumbleydore18> no [15:51] <Shard> I think were dong with prophecies [15:52] <Pleshette> no [15:52] <nympheart> If there will be, does it matter? [15:52] <Shard> done [15:52] <MirandaV> No....the prophecy card is played out [15:52] <cbm> I think the prophecy card has been played [15:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think that trelawney has one more prophecy to make [15:52] <Narya> I think Trelawney might have another prophecy ... [15:52] <fawkes28> but there is that prophecy about the solistice [15:52] <Shard> All Harry needs is to believe in himsel, whcih he pretty much does [15:52] <MirandaV> That is a possibility [15:52] <huebbe> yes, but it will be spontaneous not pre arranged [15:52] <fawkes28> she may have, narya [15:52] <mollywobbles23> Harry has all the tools he needs, he just needs more knowledge to use the tools [15:52] <ph63915> Not enough books left for yet another prophecy [15:52] <Evreka> yes it is - Mr M [15:52] <fawkes28> it would give her a role in the book [15:53] <Evreka> Just saw it, sorry [15:53] <Theoriser> We are often reminded that Harry has Lily’s eyes. Do you see this factoring in to Voldemort’s defeat?* [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe if Trelawney gets really drunk again.... [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> nope, the one is all that's necessary [15:53] <dumbleydore18> did Jo ever say that multiple prophecies can be made for one person? If so maybe there's a hidden prophecy that only DD knows about [15:53] <Narya> it would, fawkes [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> yes [15:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [15:53] <huebbe> like a puzzle, now it's just a matter of putting it all together [15:53] <MirandaV> Yeah but that didn't necessarily have anything to do with Harry's prophecy fawkes [15:53] <nympheart> I think they may tie into Snape's defeat... [15:53] <Narya> In terms of Harry channeling what his mother was, yes [15:53] <Shard> I think the Eyes have already factored in (See the getting of Slughorn's real mmeory) [15:53] <Evreka> I think that was important for Slughorn only [15:53] <cbm> I wish I knew how Lily's eyes played into this [15:53] <fawkes28> true, miranda but it could [15:53] <MirandaV> Where's the fire whiskey when you need it [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the eyes have already played out [15:54] <mollywobbles23> no idea [15:54] <fawkes28> i think there is still something more with them [15:54] <awlaisis> connected to snape more than voldemort i think [15:54] <MirandaV> Yes, anything is possible fawkes [15:54] <huebbe> but hasn't Jo said she will expalin in DH [15:54] <Evreka> brb [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> but I don't see LV being all sappy over Lily's eyes [15:54] <huebbe> the eyes I mean [15:54] * mollywobbles23 imagines lasers shooting out of Harry's eyes via Superman [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> we don't know enough about Lily [15:54] <Shard> No Sg he woul;dn't be, but others are [15:54] <ph63915> Harrys eyes serve as a reminder to Snape [15:54] <dumbleydore18> I think Lily's eyes and Mr. Blood are connected...if voldy tries to kill harry, he will be blocked by the power invested in Lily's protection and Voldy will explode...Pow! [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> yeah they helped Harry get the memory from Sluggy [15:54] <Narya> I'm sure that Harry has Lily's eyes for a reason, otherwise why make such frequent references to them? [15:54] <Shard> I agree Ph [15:54] <MirandaV> That's part of what we learn at GH IMO...Lily's eyes and why they are important [15:54] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it's symbolic of Harry havign the same loving soul as Lily [15:54] <huebbe> "The Eyes are the Window to The Soul" [15:54] <Shard> I think we've seen the reason though Narya, every time they say Lilyu's Eyes its' because they think of Lily [15:55] <DumbleDebbie> the eyes being the windows to the soul and all smile [15:55] <Narya> Partly, Shard [15:55] <cbm> I agree with you Narya, but I have no idea how it will help [15:55] <nympheart> right huebbe [15:55] <fawkes28> nice huebbe [15:55] <Shard> and Lily being such a good person will make those who were close to her feel the need to help Harry as Slughorn did [15:55] * JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:55] <fawkes28> to drive us crazy, narya laugh [15:55] <Evreka> back [15:55] <Narya> I think there's more to it than that [15:55] <DumbleDebbie> wb Jane [15:55] <Shard> I also feel that having Lily's eyes means that Harry acts more like Lilly then he does James [15:55] <Narya> Harry is more his mother's son now [15:55] <JaneMarple9> back for the group hug laugh [15:55] <Theoriser> Both Harry and Voldemort can speak Parseltongue. Will Harry use this to his advantage in the Horcrux Hunt or in the final battle?** [15:55] <Shard> Going on what Hhubbue just said [15:55] <MirandaV> I'm all for there being something magical to it also [15:55] <Pleshette> There's something about those eyes, maybe Snape won't be able to kill Harry because of Lily's eyes [15:55] <mollywobbles23> yes [15:56] <bohemian> probably [15:56] <Evreka> maybe [15:56] <DumbleDebbie> lol [15:56] <huebbe> Could they be arguing in snake talk???? [15:56] <Shard> Hem might be able to confuse NMagini [15:56] <mollywobbles23> in the Horcrux Hunt at least [15:56] <nympheart> I think Harry and LV will communicate in Parseltongue at some point [15:56] <MirandaV> It may need to be used to get to a horcrux [15:56] <JaneMarple9> ((((Mollywobbles))))) [15:56] * Shard can't type [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think parseltongue will open Slytherin's locket [15:56] <dumbleydore18> yes [15:56] <Narya> I think Parseltongue is important [15:56] <Evreka> lol huebbe [15:56] <DumbleDebbie> i see you Shard [15:56] <nympheart> that's possible Miranda [15:56] <fawkes28> i think he will use this to his advantage with the horcruxes [15:56] <Narya> Yes PP [15:56] <mollywobbles23> hugs Jane [15:56] <fawkes28> yes, prongs! [15:56] <Pleshette> Yes it's important in some way [15:56] <ph63915> I think one horcrux will be protected by parseltongue [15:56] <MirandaV> Oooo, I like that Prongs [15:56] <cbm> I like that Prongs [15:56] <huebbe> possible, I agree fawkes it will be just like CoS [15:57] <JaneMarple9> parseltongue will be important yes [15:57] <Shard> That is poossible about the PArsletounge, silly LV giving Harry such powers [15:57] <fawkes28> harry couldnt have gotten as far as he did without being able to speak parseltongue [15:57] <Evreka> lol shard [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> lol--LV uses the same password as did his ancestor [15:57] <Aislinn> I think that Harry has unique skills that will allow him to destroy all of the Horcruxes, and it makes sense that would be the first one [15:57] <huebbe> Because now harry can get the horcrux' [15:57] <mollywobbles23> Didn't we hear recently that snake mythology will play an important role in DH? [15:57] <Narya> I don't think that's entirely accurate, fawkes - but it's still a good point [15:57] <dumbleydore18> I have a special hug for awlaisis because I just do...lol....I think we have the same thoughts on the same theory...so....(((((awlaisis))))) [15:57] <Pleshette> LV may try to use Nagini against Harry but Harry will be able to understand [15:57] <Shard> \Yes Molly Jo said in 1999 Snake lore is importratn [15:57] <huebbe> and conquer [15:57] <MirandaV> Yes Aislinn, I do think it will be only HARRY who can destroy them [15:57] <huebbe> agreed [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> and Harry has basilisk blood in him--so, will nagini bow down to the king of serpernt's blood? [15:57] <mollywobbles23> that's right, it was the old video that was recently rediscovered. [15:57] <Narya> Nice thought, PP [15:57] <Evreka> I hope it won't destroy him piece by piece like the others did to Albus sad [15:57] <Theoriser> Lord Voldemort – Live or Die? [15:57] <nympheart> I don't think Nagini would listen to Harry [15:57] <mollywobbles23> die [15:58] <DumbleDebbie> basalisk blood??? [15:58] <bohemian> die [15:58] <nympheart> die! [15:58] <Shard> How does HArry have Basiliki Blood??? [15:58] <DumbleDebbie> die [15:58] <Evreka> DIE! [15:58] <MirandaV> lol...that would be awesome Prongs [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Voldie is going down 7-21-07. Harry will go gangsta on him, cause that's how he rolls laugh [15:58] <cbm> About the diary, was it harry's blood or was it the basilisk fang that destroyed it, I think it was his blood and that is how he can destroy other horcruxes [15:58] <JaneMarple9> errrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmm [15:58] <huebbe> DIE [15:58] <mollywobbles23> or worse than death [15:58] <cbm> Vanquished [15:58] <Shard> LV DIE DIE DIDE DIE DIIIEEE [15:58] <fawkes28> LOL sooner [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> D.I.E. [15:58] <dumbleydore18> Voldy will die along with Harry... [15:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [15:58] <Narya> LV dies in the end [15:58] <JaneMarple9> die die die die die die die die die die die biggrin [15:58] <MirandaV> Oh, he must die or have a fate worse than death [15:58] <fawkes28> definitely die [15:58] <Pleshette> Great chat everyone! Bye til next time! Oh and he wil Die!! [15:59] <Evreka> not Harry, no...... [15:59] <nympheart> Oooo, that's interesting cbm! [15:59] <MirandaV> lol sooner...rollin wit da homies [15:59] <ph63915> dementors kiss...is that dead [15:59] <fawkes28> he must go [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [15:59] <cbm> I think fate worse than death [15:59] <fawkes28> bye pleshette [15:59] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [15:59] <Evreka> could be [15:59] <JaneMarple9> (do you think that is clear enough? biggrin) [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> bye everyone! Great chat [15:59] <DumbleDebbie> bye hug [15:59] <awlaisis> dumbleydore, thankx smile [15:59] <mollywobbles23> bye! [15:59] <nympheart> since death is what he fears most, would that be most terrible for him though? [15:59] <Evreka> bye hug [16:00] <fawkes28> i think everyone agrees - voldemort needs to go bye bye [16:00] <huebbe> we have to leave now? [16:00] <Shard> It's been swell smile [16:00] <MirandaV> Oh no...I think we need several more dies before it's overkill [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> sigh soooo good! [16:00] <JaneMarple9> bye1 bye Voldemort....nice knowing you....Not biggrin [16:00] <Narya> Bye all! [16:00] <NYBookworm> bye [16:00] <fawkes28> yes, it was a great chat [16:00] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [16:00] <fawkes28> thanks for coming hug [16:00] <Evreka> good point nympheart [16:00] * mollywobbles23 left #lounge [] [16:00] * DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [16:00] * Narya has quit [Bye] [16:00] <nympheart> bye! [16:00] <Evreka> lol Jane [16:00] <huebbe> Ok....this is the first one I made it through see you all! [16:00] <dumbleydore18> Harry will die by accident beacuse of the theoryu I have in which awlaisis knows about...but he won't realise it [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> group (((hug))) [16:01] * JaneMarple9 prepares to be hugged to death [16:01] * bohemian has quit [Bye] [16:01] * nympheart left #lounge [] [16:01] <dumbleydore18> does that make sense? [16:01] <Shard> smile [16:01] <MirandaV> bye all hug [16:01] * huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:01] * SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [16:01] * MirandaV has quit [Bye] [16:01] <cbm> He may fear death, but I think it would be appropriate for him to be an imortal without a soul [16:01] <Shard> Yeah but I dont think Harry needs to die, I think we've had enough of that honestly and were going to get more... [16:01] <Evreka> bye everyone!! I'm off to CoC! [16:01] <JaneMarple9> hug every single person in the Corner Booth hug [16:01] <fawkes28> see you all next time! [16:01] <awlaisis> bye everyone, nice chatting [16:01] * Evreka left #lounge [] [16:01] <Shard> Bye all [16:01] *** Shard left #lounge [] [16:02] <cbm> bye -------------------- Come cast your vote for Wize Wizard and Chocolate Frog Card chat topics in the Corner Booth Forum!

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