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SoonerGryffindor Aislinn fawkes28 Poet [13:54] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:57] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:57] <Expelliarmas> i see you [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> brb [14:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:01] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [14:01] <mollywobbles23> hi! [14:01] *** MirandaV has joined #lounge [14:01] <fawkes28> hi molly and miranda [14:01] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:01] <MirandaV> hi again all [14:01] <fawkes28> hi prongs [14:01] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [14:01] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [14:02] <dumbleydore18> hey guys bye1 [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> heya everyone [14:02] <ProngsPatronus> how is everyone today? [14:02] <MirandaV> hi dumbley... biggrin [14:02] <Aislinn> just fine, prongs - and you? [14:02] <mollywobbles23> I'm so happy that the topic is wands. I heard an interesting, if far-fetched theory yesterday. I'll wait until there are more people here. [14:02] <dumbleydore18> how does this ciolor look on me today? [14:02] *** katiebcat has joined #lounge [14:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:02] <mollywobbles23> fetching [14:02] <katiebcat> ok [14:02] <ProngsPatronus> eager for the chat! [14:02] <katiebcat> am i late? [14:03] <MirandaV> It makes you look thinner [14:03] <MirandaV> lol [14:03] <dumbleydore18> blah back to purple [14:03] <Expelliarmas> better than green! [14:03] <JaneMarple9> Hello!! [14:03] <Aislinn> not at all katie [14:03] <mollywobbles23> no, it just started katiebcat [14:03] <katiebcat> cool [14:03] <ProngsPatronus> can't read it too well, dd18 [14:03] <dumbleydore18> now you can read it PP [14:03] <katiebcat> so [14:03] <Expelliarmas> I'm practicing scales; who knew it was so hard [14:03] <MirandaV> really Prongs? you can't read this color that well? [14:03] <JaneMarple9> :hug: all Boothers hug [14:03] <ProngsPatronus> :-) [14:04] <mollywobbles23> I did Expie. What instrument? [14:04] <ProngsPatronus> no, Miranda--I have old eyes [14:04] <dumbleydore18> i'm going to try and tackle 3 things at once today. typing, eating cereal, and drinking tea.... [14:04] <katiebcat> when can we start the chat? [14:04] <Expelliarmas> guitar, molly [14:04] <dumbleydore18> 11 mins [14:04] <fawkes28> i am excited to chat about wands - i have been wanting this for weeks now smile [14:04] <Aislinn> we start the topic at quarter past, katie [14:04] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, they're not easy. [14:04] <katiebcat> ok [14:04] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:04] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [14:04] <katiebcat> so i am not late [14:04] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:04] <katiebcat> ok [14:04] *** trigallj has joined #lounge [14:04] <JaneMarple9> testing [14:04] <Ringo2000> Evening :P [14:04] <ProngsPatronus> what do y'all think of the new e-book? [14:04] <MirandaV> laugh Well, how do you permanently bold your writing...maybe that would help [14:04] <Aislinn> first, we give folks a chance to get here and settle in [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> we have some really good thought provoking questions for this chat. I am excted about it [14:05] <katiebcat> this is the first time doing the disscusion on here [14:05] <Ringo2000> smile [14:05] <fawkes28> I love it Prongs [14:05] <Aislinn> glad you could join us smile [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is marvelous Prongs [14:05] <mollywobbles23> I'm multitasking too, dumbleydore. I'm chatting here, on AIM with my best friend, and working on something for my teaching portfolio. [14:05] <dumbleydore18> what e-book? [14:05] <fawkes28> lots of hard work went into it [14:05] <JaneMarple9> bye1 at everybody [14:05] <katiebcat> brb [14:05] <MirandaV> What e-bbok? [14:05] <mollywobbles23> e-book? [14:05] <MirandaV> oops book [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> oh Miranda [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> the bold is for mods only [14:05] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [14:05] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [14:05] <Aislinn> HarryPotterSeven.com - Leaky's prediction book for DH [14:05] <Ringo2000> :hey: [14:05] <MirandaV> Oh...sorry [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> for when we ask questions [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> no problem [14:06] <ProngsPatronus> yes, the new HarryPotterSeven e-book in Unfogging [14:06] <Ringo2000> hey [14:06] <dumbleydore18> it would probably help if i put my glasses on...i can hardly read what is scrolling up laugh [14:06] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [14:06] <mollywobbles23> oh yeah. [14:06] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [14:06] <Evreka> Hi [14:06] <Ringo2000> Hey Evreka! [14:06] <nympheart> hello [14:06] <katiebcat> aww [14:06] <katiebcat> ok [14:06] <mollywobbles23> I think it's cool and I look forward to the time when I can read through it leisurely [14:06] <fawkes28> it's a great thing to check out - i got to read a few more chapters last night [14:06] <dumbleydore18> hi evreka [14:06] <Evreka> Hi ringo smile [14:06] <katiebcat> back [14:07] <katiebcat> what is e-book? [14:07] <Evreka> hi bumbley [14:07] <MirandaV> I haven't had a chance to read yet...I'm redecorating my daughters' rooms [14:07] <Evreka> *dumble poster_oops [14:07] *** antonin has joined #lounge [14:07] <MirandaV> It's time consuming [14:07] <katiebcat> what is ebook? [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> ttp://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven [14:07] <nympheart> hi antonin [14:07] <dumbleydore18> evreka you can call me dumbley [14:07] <antonin> hi everyone [14:07] <dumbleydore18> no "oops" needed [14:07] <ProngsPatronus> e-book means electronic book, katie [14:07] <Aislinn> with an h on the front of that URL [14:07] <JaneMarple9> testing 1 2 3 4 [14:07] <Ringo2000> lol [14:08] <dumbleydore18> hi jane [14:08] <fawkes28> we see you [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> oops [14:08] <MirandaV> I see you Jane [14:08] <dumbleydore18> why are you testing? [14:08] <JaneMarple9> good! [14:08] <Ringo2000> Aww...How do you change that scroll setting? [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> there [14:08] <JaneMarple9> just making sure! [14:08] <antonin> is it time to start, or has the chat already started? [14:08] <fawkes28> sometimes the booth acts up [14:08] <MirandaV> She's going to rock the mike I think [14:08] <fawkes28> !botsnack [14:08] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> we start the actual chat at 15 after [14:08] <Evreka> after what? [14:08] <katiebcat> why is the time that we should get here around [14:08] <Aislinn> the current hour evreka [14:08] <antonin> wow fifteen after [14:08] <nympheart> is there a WWW this week? I didn't see a poll when I looked [14:08] <mollywobbles23> I just want to say that I love you all. *is feeling quite quixotic* [14:08] <fawkes28> 3:15 we start [14:09] <antonin> i thought it was only like five [14:09] <fawkes28> EST [14:09] <Evreka> Oh, obviously ... [14:09] <antonin> i'm a little new to the chatting! but its really awesome [14:09] <dumbleydore18> so any reading group people in here? I signed on this morning and I was like "oooo there's gregory, and guru, and addreamy, and artlady, and sad " [14:09] <Ringo2000> lol [14:09] <fawkes28> glad you came antonin smile [14:09] <nympheart> I was RG007 [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> well... we have Expie in here [14:09] <katiebcat> why does it say to come at 3:00? [14:09] <katiebcat> nvm [14:09] <fawkes28> no reading groups for a week [14:09] *** trigallj has quit [Bye] [14:09] <dumbleydore18> I was chamber 37 [14:09] <Expelliarmas> yes, we do have me here [14:09] <antonin> thanks [14:09] <antonin> i am too [14:09] <MirandaV> Reading group?? I'm going to try and get sorted into the new one...can't wait [14:10] <Expelliarmas> Room 18 [14:10] <Aislinn> nymph - the topic for this week's WWW chat will be the 7 tasks of the first book, and how they relate to the 7 books [14:10] <fawkes28> we give people a chance to get here, katie [14:10] <Expelliarmas> good, Miranda! [14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> you will love it Miranda [14:10] <Aislinn> there is a poll up for the next week's chat [14:10] <katiebcat> oh [14:10] <Ringo2000> I was chamber 13: Down the Corridor [14:10] <nympheart> cool [14:10] <Evreka> a week without RGs! How will we survive? wink [14:10] <mollywobbles23> I'm not an active reading group member, unfortunately. I always make grand plans to be, but... [14:10] <JaneMarple9> all about wands today? [14:10] <katiebcat> how many chapters does the book have? [14:10] <fawkes28> yes jane [14:10] <Aislinn> yes Jane smile [14:10] <Ringo2000> Are the OotP Groups gonna' have the same names [14:10] * nympheart turns 18 on wednesday [14:10] <JaneMarple9> :wizard: [14:11] <JaneMarple9> sorcerer [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> happy birthday, nh! [14:11] <fawkes28> that is exciting, nymph! smile [14:11] <katiebcat> happy Birthday! [14:11] <Expelliarmas> 37 chapters in ootp i b elieve [14:11] <dumbleydore18> It hit me last night when all the RG posts had vanished from my post log...I was like "oh man....hits hard" [14:11] <Ringo2000> Happy :bday: [14:11] <nympheart> thanks! [14:11] <MirandaV> Wands!!! Woo-Hoo...I forgot to vote this week for the topic, but I'm excited anyway [14:11] <antonin> oh, happy birthday nh! [14:11] <Expelliarmas> happy birthday nh [14:11] <Aislinn> lots of them, katie laugh [14:11] <dumbleydore18> HaPpY bIrThDaY!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:11] <mollywobbles23> happy birthday! feliz cumpleanos! [14:11] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [14:11] <MirandaV> Wow nymph...you'll be all legal...happy birthday and have fun! [14:11] * nympheart laughs wickedly [14:11] <dumbleydore18> well not quite miranda....she can't get away with murder...lol [14:12] <Evreka> lol [14:12] * katiebcat gets a cake out [14:12] <nympheart> that's what you think dumbley ;) [14:12] <JaneMarple9> laugh [14:12] <antonin> hi ltbrave [14:12] <dumbleydore18> haha [14:12] <Ringo2000> lol [14:12] <MirandaV> yes well,,,I guess I didn't mean all legal in that sense...*snicker* [14:12] <ltbrave23> hey everyone! [14:12] <mollywobbles23> hi! [14:12] <Ringo2000> hey [14:12] <dumbleydore18> hi bye1 [14:12] <Aislinn> hi ltbrave23 [14:12] <MirandaV> hi lt [14:12] <Ringo2000> hey ev [14:13] <MirandaV> can I call you that? [14:13] <ltbrave23> sure [14:13] <Ringo2000> hey** [14:13] <dumbleydore18> i like this ----> smiley bye1 it makes things so nice... [14:13] <ltbrave23> i like it too [14:13] <katiebcat> I cant wait for the chat to start [14:13] <Ringo2000> lol ltbrave23 [14:13] <dumbleydore18> 2 mins guys! squeeee [14:13] <MirandaV> It is a quite polite wave dumbley [14:13] <JaneMarple9> gathering or w00t2 for me smile [14:13] <nympheart> smilies of all kinds make things nice [14:13] <mollywobbles23> hehe [14:13] <Ringo2000> :excited: or gathering [14:13] <Ringo2000> w00t2** [14:13] <antonin> how do you do the smileys? [14:13] <MirandaV> I don't know how to do the chair one [14:13] <dumbleydore18> hahaha [14:13] <ltbrave23> i don't know how to do any of those so i like seeing them [14:14] <antonin> squeeee!!! [14:14] <Evreka> type the code in [14:14] <Ringo2000> type the same [14:14] <JaneMarple9> sofa [14:14] <Ringo2000> e.g : ) [14:14] <mollywobbles23> hehe [14:14] <Ringo2000> but make sure there is not space [14:14] <Ringo2000> and it ends up as smile [14:14] <Evreka> but without space... [14:14] <fawkes28> jane is just showing off wink [14:14] <katiebcat> chat starts in a minute [14:14] <MirandaV> ninja_hide [14:14] <Ringo2000> :devil: [14:14] <antonin> couch [14:14] <Ringo2000> awww [14:14] <Ringo2000> devil2 [14:14] <mollywobbles23> :hug: Jane [14:14] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> :>>: [14:14] <katiebcat> angel_not [14:14] <Ringo2000> vanish [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> nope [14:14] <Ringo2000> I love the Vanish one [14:14] <mollywobbles23> oh, :sad: [14:14] <antonin> lol [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> dry [14:14] <nympheart> you have to put it between : antonin [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> there you go! [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> my fave! [14:15] <Evreka> there must be something before it like a space at least [14:15] <antonin> angel_not [14:15] <katiebcat> sofa [14:15] <katiebcat> I did it also [14:15] <ltbrave23> i like that one [14:15] <JaneMarple9> vanish [14:15] <katiebcat> let me try something [14:15] <antonin> hey, its starting! [14:15] <Ringo2000> :bag: [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> !moderate [14:15] <katiebcat> :bed: [14:15] <Ringo2000> paperbag3 [14:15] <katiebcat> :bed: [14:15] <antonin> yay!! [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [14:15] <katiebcat> aww [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> I think you have to hit the spacebar twice, then type in the code [14:15] <Evreka> it's 15 after.. [14:15] <antonin> i did it! [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [14:16] <Expelliarmas> Wands are almost like a right to passage into the Wizarding World. Every wizard needs a wand to perform magic and make their way though their magical education. Making the pilgramage to Ollivanders as a young wizard is one of the most telling experiences as to what your strengths as a wizard are going to be. [14:16] <Expelliarmas> Today, we are going to discuss wands and their possible role in Harry Potter and theDeathly Hallows. To look forward, it is essential to understand the past, so some of the questions do have to do with the history of wands and their owners. Without further ado, let's chat wands! [14:16] <Expelliarmas> Ollivander hints, in PS/SS, that had he known what LV's wand was going out into the world to do, he would not have sold the wand to LV. But the wand chooses the wizard, so he hints he had no choice. Why is this important? [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder [14:17] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:17] <katiebcat> I cznt read that fasti [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ollivander is washing his hands [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> a la Pilate [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> well, we know that you can use another persons wands [14:17] <ltbrave23> i agree prongs [14:17] <Expelliarmas> I think if he could have done something, he would have; but whose to say Riddle woudlnt have found a more powerful wand [14:17] <Ringo2000> hmm [14:17] <Evreka> I think he meant that if he'd known what Voldemort would make his wand do, Ollivander would have refused to sell him any [14:18] <Expelliarmas> I also think it was fate that Riddle got that wand [14:18] <harryfreak359> what's the current question? [14:18] <katiebcat> well [14:18] <antonin> hi hf [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, expie [14:18] <katiebcat> I think i have a connection to the first book [14:18] <harryfreak359> hi [14:18] <katiebcat> or movie [14:18] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question for hf: Ollivander hints, in PS/SS, that had he known what LV's wand was going out into the world to do, he would not have sold the wand to LV. But the wand chooses the wizard, so he hints he had no choice. Why is this important? [14:18] <MirandaV> Maybe once the wand chooses an owner it cannot be given to someone else, but I don't know why Ollivander should feel guilty, he didn't know the future. He's not a seer, he's a wand maker. [14:18] <harryfreak359> Thanks Expie smile [14:18] <Expelliarmas> no problem [14:18] <dumbleydore18> I think the wand maker does have some choice in the matter because Ron's wand broke and he recieved a new one, I think there are other wands out there that can equally suit the witch or wizard. [14:18] <mollywobbles23> I think it shows that you never know how anyone is going to turn out, so you have to trust that they will do good or at least not do bad. That whole trust thing. [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> YOu can use another's wand, but it wont work as well I guess [14:18] <Evreka> I don't think he do, but that he feels sorry for the *wand* [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> ooo--good point, ev [14:19] <katiebcat> yea [14:19] <MirandaV> Oh...that makes sense Evreka [14:19] <Ringo2000> Ev - Point there smile [14:19] <Evreka> :) [14:19] <harryfreak359> Hmmmm....yes good point there Ev [14:19] <nympheart> I think so too dumbley, I also wonder if that "perfect match" for the wands could change as you grow older [14:19] *** katiebcat has quit [Bye] [14:19] <JaneMarple9> Because the wands are powerful [14:19] <fawkes28> the wand and the wizard have a certain connection that is just hard to ignore [14:19] <Aislinn> I think Ollivander is most concerned that the wand get to it's "right" owner [14:19] <mollywobbles23> Well, wasn't Ron's first wand his brother's old wand? So, his new one was the first wand Ron had that chose him. [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> well, Ron never got to choose at 11--he had a used wand from Charlie, wasn't it? [14:20] <Ringo2000> It might have something to do with Family History and your Birthday [14:20] <MirandaV> Well remember Ron got a new wand but his first one wasn't actually his...it was one of his brothers old wands [14:20] <Aislinn> he is a craftsman, and is most concerned with his craft [14:20] <mollywobbles23> hehe, echo Miranda. hehe. [14:20] <Ringo2000> Hmm [14:20] <fawkes28> this goes back to the idea that it isnt the object itself that is bad - it is the person who uses it [14:20] <nympheart> agreed, aislinn [14:20] <antonin> good one ev clap [14:20] <MirandaV> Oh...same thought molly and Prongs... laugh [14:20] <JaneMarple9> they know which wizard will suit them [14:20] <JaneMarple9> yes Aislinn [14:20] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:20] <Evreka> exactly, fawkes [14:20] <harryfreak359> Well if the wand chooses the wizard then it must go to the right owner... [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> great minds... [14:20] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:20] <fawkes28> it reminds me of the sorting hat [14:20] <Ringo2000> think alike [14:21] <Aislinn> actually, wand lore seems to have more to do with length, type of wood, and core resonating with the unique magical qualities of the wizard [14:21] <Ringo2000> It definantly has something to do with Family [14:21] <dumbleydore18> it makes sense because when you are 11 and grow older and your mind changes and so does the magic in you. could you go back to get another wand at another age and get a different wand? OR is it liket he sorting hat, once placed in a house you are in that house for life? [14:21] <Ringo2000> or History [14:21] <MirandaV> Yes, I think the wand speaks to something within [14:21] <Evreka> Not really... I think the wand chooses a wizard whose talents they can match [14:21] <mollywobbles23> Wands are neutral, don't you think? The best wand for the wizard will help them be as powerful as they can be, but the wizard is the one who chooses whether that power is good or bad. [14:21] <JaneMarple9> when you inherit a wand, it doesn't sometimes work as well [14:21] <ProngsPatronus> or talents they complement [14:21] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:21] <Evreka> but they can't sense Light or Dark magic [14:21] <MirandaV> Well, obviously one of Ron's older brothers got a new wand so sometimes you must get a new one [14:22] *** antonin has quit [Bye] [14:22] <Evreka> Exactly mollywobbles [14:22] <MirandaV> I agree Molly [14:22] <Ringo2000> Dont you think it's weird that the taller you are - the longer the wand. Both Ron and Voldy are desribed being tall - and they have long wands, while, Umbridge who is short has a small wand [14:22] *** antonin has joined #lounge [14:22] *** katiebcat has joined #lounge [14:22] <Expelliarmas> Ollivander disappeared between OotP and HBP. His whereabouts are still unknown. Where is Ollivander? Did he run away? Was he dragged away by Death Eaters? Or something else? [14:22] <Ringo2000> ..weird how that works [14:22] <Aislinn> I think that is intentional, ringo [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> I bet Charlie got a new wand when he went to work with the dragons [14:22] <ltbrave23> i think ollivander went into hiding [14:22] <harryfreak359> I think that he was either taken by the DE's or DD helped him go into hiding [14:22] <Expelliarmas> I think Ollivander got a quick note about the Priori Incantatum of the two wands from DD and split [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he went into hiding as well [14:22] <Evreka> I think LV kidnapped him [14:22] <nympheart> I am certain LV was looking for Ollivander to see if there's a way to prevent Priori Incantatem [14:22] <ltbrave23> well it was too neat to have the mark of de's [14:22] <Aislinn> I think that he may have gone into hiding with the Order's help [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think DD hid him from Voldemort [14:22] <katiebcat> I think ollivander went hidden also [14:22] <fawkes28> i think he knew that LV was going to come after him so he hid [14:23] <MirandaV> This is an interesting question...I'm hoping he's in hiding [14:23] <mollywobbles23> Ollivander...I have no idea. [14:23] <Ringo2000> That would be bad for the Good Side, Ollivander could strengthn the wands of the DE's [14:23] <dumbleydore18> I think olivander ran away. he probably didn't want LV sneaking around and asking questions about what priori incantatum was. [14:23] <nympheart> but there was no struggle, meaning Ollivander was saved by the Order first or went with LV willingly [14:23] <Evreka> I don't think the Order has anything to do with his disappearance [14:23] <antonin> i hope he's in hiding [14:23] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:23] <ltbrave23> i think that lv wanted him but i don't think it was for priori incantatum [14:23] <MirandaV> I don't think he would do that unless forced Ringo [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I find it very difficult to accept that Olivander was abducted. That makes zero sense to me [14:23] <Expelliarmas> Once Ollivander knew that LV knew about the connection, I don't think he wanted to be helpful toLV [14:23] <Evreka> then Lupin wouldn't have destroyed Harry's birthday with that report [14:23] <fawkes28> ollivander is a very intelligent man who knows that voldemort would be trying to come after him [14:23] * JaneMarple9 strokes Snuffles [14:23] <Ringo2000> ya - i meant by force [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> if he has been around since the BC's, I bet he has a nose for trouble [14:23] <mollywobbles23> He either left of his own volition, or he was taken by DEs. I don't think the Order had anything to do with it. [14:23] <JaneMarple9> whats the question? [14:23] <Ringo2000> Ollivander doesn't seem that powerful, wand maker or not [14:24] <antonin> haha [14:24] <Aislinn> he seemed to be close to Dumbledore as well, and I think that Dumbledore would have been looking out for him [14:24] <fawkes28> I think that DD told Ollivander about what happened with Harry and and Voldemort's wands so that Ollivander could protect himself [14:24] <antonin> his ancestors have, you mean [14:24] <ProngsPatronus> me, too [14:24] <katiebcat> I think Ollivander was taken away or went to live somewhere else in the world [14:24] <mollywobbles23> about Ollivander's disappearance, Jane. [14:24] <Evreka> What if Ollivander could guess Harry's strengths by knowing what wand he sold? [14:24] <nympheart> I think you're right Ringo, his power lies more in his brain [14:24] <MirandaV> I think that's a good theory fawkes...I'll support it [14:24] <antonin> where's olivander, janemarple [14:24] <Evreka> Surely LV would want that info?? [14:24] <ltbrave23> but why did ollivander disappear between ootp and hbp why not sooner? [14:24] <JaneMarple9> Oh I think Voldies got him [14:24] <antonin> that's the question [14:24] <JaneMarple9> hiddne away somewhere [14:24] <harryfreak359> I would think he would Ev [14:24] <fawkes28> but ollivander didnt pick the wand - the wand picked the wizard [14:24] <Aislinn> I think that if the bad side had captured Ollivander, his shop would have been trashed - they are interested in sowing fear [14:24] <mollywobbles23> I think that is the key question, lt [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Ollivander pulled a Slughorn [14:25] <dumbleydore18> I also see this as cowardly, I mean could he have sensed a good or bad witch or wizard? To run off (if he did) shows me that it's cowardly, not facing his fears. I mean if he sensed a bad wizard he could show them the way to the other wand makerand not be blamed for fixing a bad wizard t oa wand of his [14:25] <antonin> you think so? [14:25] <MirandaV> I agree Aislinn [14:25] <antonin> i think there's more to it [14:25] <mollywobbles23> If it was Priori Incantatum, then disappearing between GOF and OOTP would have made more sense. [14:25] <antonin> but i don't know what... [14:25] <antonin> lol [14:25] <ltbrave23> exactly molly [14:25] <katiebcat> I also think that if LV took ollivander away and LV searched through the shop for a wand that suits him. [14:25] <Evreka> I think he's abducted by DEs [14:25] <nympheart> Unless he didn't know PI was a factor, molly [14:25] <Ringo2000> I agree [14:25] <antonin> that's a good point, molly [14:25] <Evreka> PI? [14:26] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he was cowardly. Why would you wait for a visit from DEs? [14:26] <MirandaV> GP molly [14:26] <nympheart> Priori Incantatem [14:26] <Evreka> Ah! [14:26] <Aislinn> yes, molly, I think that is a good point [14:26] <Ringo2000> Was ther any reason [14:26] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie. [14:26] <ltbrave23> i don't think it was cowardly either [14:26] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [14:26] <MirandaV> Exactly Expie...why give him a chance to crucio you [14:26] <Aislinn> hi mafalda [14:26] <nympheart> hi mafalda [14:26] <Expelliarmas> probably not, Molly. LV wasnt out in the open until HBP [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was smart [14:26] <MirandaV> oops them [14:26] <antonin> hi mf [14:26] <fawkes28> me too, prongs [14:26] <MirandaV> hi mafalda [14:26] <Ringo2000> Hmmm, Neville was his last wand, weird [14:26] <antonin> mw* [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> he is a craftsman and an artist [14:26] <antonin> bye1 [14:26] <ltbrave23> but it doesn't mean that he wasn't doing thing expelliarmas [14:26] <katiebcat> I think ollivander could be brave and smart so he knew what to do if something like this happened. [14:26] <Ringo2000> :hi: [14:27] <ProngsPatronus> why get in the way of two terrible old wizards? [14:27] <Ringo2000> :hi: [14:27] <Evreka> On the other hand... if you sells wands that fit wizards, don't you better stay put for the good side then? [14:27] <MafaldaWeasley> hi everybody!!!!! it's been a long time!!! [14:27] <mollywobbles23> I was referring to the possibility of DD warning Ollivander. I don't think it was PI that made him leave at all. [14:27] <harryfreak359> Hi Mafalda! [14:27] <dumbleydore18> no no no expie, nit what i meant. I meant sensing a bad witch or wizard at child hood, pushing along a child wizard with bad tendancies. I mean the best person to sense good and bad is Ollivander as he knows best about wands and a wizard. [14:27] <ltbrave23> i don't either molly [14:27] <antonin> no spaces, ringo [14:27] <antonin> wink [14:27] * mollywobbles23 finds copy of HBP to see what it says [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville was the last person to get a wand from Ollivander. What significance will this have in Deathly Hallows? [14:27] <nympheart> but he didn't know that TR would grow up to be LV, dumbley [14:27] <Evreka> I din't think so dumbley, [14:27] <ltbrave23> i think that he has something lv wants, and he left to prevent lv from getting it as long as possible [14:27] <Ringo2000> Hahhahahah lol I just made that point [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is why Ollivander disappeared [14:27] <fawkes28> i think it has a great deal of signifiance [14:28] <JaneMarple9> very important [14:28] <ltbrave23> neville now has a wand that choose him [14:28] <Evreka> I hope we'll see him much mire confident than before [14:28] <ltbrave23> not his father's [14:28] <Ringo2000> Neville ---> Prophecy <----- Harry [14:28] <nympheart> Neville is going to really show his power [14:28] <MirandaV> I don't know about that dumbley...can you sense that yet in an 11 year old. Maybe they have tendencies from family or whatever but everyone changes between 11 and 18. [14:28] <JaneMarple9> nevilles getting more and more confident [14:28] <fawkes28> first - neville now has his own wand [14:28] <Evreka> but he had it all of HBP... so? [14:28] <katiebcat> good point ringo [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> Neville will finally have a wand that suits him--and, by extension, be his own wizard, rather than in his father's shadow [14:28] <Aislinn> Jo has said that Neville is no longer significant as far as thee prophecy goes, ringo [14:28] <Ringo2000> hmm [14:28] <JaneMarple9> and ever since book 1 he has grown into a wonderful character [14:28] <MirandaV> I think it will have significance...what I'm not sure...I think he may be more powerful with his own wand [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> it was neville's coming of age rite of passage [14:28] <nympheart> yes Prongs [14:29] <Aislinn> once the choice was made, it was made [14:29] <Ringo2000> oh ok [14:29] <Evreka> exactly [14:29] <katiebcat> yea [14:29] <MafaldaWeasley> i think Neville having a new wand represents that he's finally free to become himself, without having to "be" his father, you know? [14:29] <katiebcat> neville has grown [14:29] <ltbrave23> i agree miranda [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I do not think it has anything to do with the prophecy, but I do think that there is something significant about the wand that was sold to Neville [14:29] <fawkes28> it is a shame we didnt see how powerful his wand was in HBP - which makes me think it will be highly important in DH [14:29] <mollywobbles23> where in the book is this? I want to look at exactly what was said before and after this bit of info. [14:29] <MirandaV> Exactly fawkes [14:29] <Evreka> Oooh! I like that thought fawkes! smile [14:30] <harryfreak359> Yeah same Fawkes, I think his spell work will be much better [14:30] <Aislinn> that's a great point mafalda [14:30] <JaneMarple9> hope so fawkes [14:30] <katiebcat> neville = brave and Harry = knowledge and i could go on with the list [14:30] <dumbleydore18> the significance of neville getting the wand last, some say that is good luck. getting something first could mean greedy while getting something last means that it's good luck that you got the last one. So maybe neville is a good luck charm? [14:30] <Aislinn> He needed his own wand that was suited to him, not to his gran's memory of his father [14:30] <Evreka> Why didn't we get even a tiny hint in HBP though? [14:30] <Evreka> Or did we...? [14:30] <Ringo2000> I wonder if Neville apparates first time - might show his power [14:30] <katiebcat> ok [14:30] <Evreka> But that's wandless so it can't be part of it [14:31] <Aislinn> right, it is wandless magic [14:31] <MafaldaWeasley> exactly Aislinn. I think now we'll see Neville being himself, and this is a very great thing. [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> however--I bet he can do a Patronus now [14:31] <Evreka> maybe.... [14:31] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [14:31] <Aislinn> yes, mafalda, and I'm really looking forward to it [14:31] <Evreka> :) [14:31] <JaneMarple9> he's also been doing extra charms - he choose that for one of his lessons in book 6 [14:31] <fawkes28> getting his own wand shows that he is his own individual person - it gives him more confidence and ultimately more power [14:31] <MirandaV> I think we didn't because it was supposed to be reserved for DH Evreka...it's going to be somewhat important [14:31] <nympheart> I think so too Prongs, but I don't think it's directly linked to the wand, more the fact that he's his own person now [14:31] <dumbleydore18> I dont't really see any signifigance to neville getting the wand last...maybe it just so happened that he ended up being the last one. [14:31] <mollywobbles23> Neville's new wand is made out of cherry and unicorn hair. He says that his gran thinks he will live up to his dad and then she got him the new wand. [14:31] <ltbrave23> exactly fawkes, the old wand was a constant reminder to him that he wasn't as powerful as his father [14:31] <katiebcat> Neville has been through so much for example: in book 5 the teacher for dark arts does something to him [14:32] <MirandaV> I think so to Prongs [14:32] <katiebcat> defence against dark arts [14:32] <JaneMarple9> I think that was book 4 katie - moody [14:32] <katiebcat> yea [14:32] <Expelliarmas> If Ollivander was kidnapped by Death Eaters, how will his expertise on wands be beneficial to the dark side? [14:32] <Evreka> ??? katie what do you mean? [14:32] <mollywobbles23> For those who think that things that are interupted mean something here is what Neville said: "We think it was one of the last Ollivander ever sold, he vanished next day - oi, come back here Trevor!" [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I really dont think it will be a factor at all [14:32] <katiebcat> you know when moody does the 3 curses [14:33] <nympheart> finding a way around Priori Incantatem [14:33] <fawkes28> i dont think he will ever help the death eaters [14:33] <Evreka> 1) he might be asked to make a new wand for LV [14:33] <dumbleydore18> ooooo i just thought of this! Since neville came to hve magical powers at such a late age (late bloomer) then his gran taking him to the wand shop late shows that he will come into his own later in life...and have strong powers and a wand enables a wizard to have strong powers. [14:33] <MirandaV> I don't even want to think about that...it gives me the heebee-geebees [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is his memory that would help the DE's most [14:33] <JaneMarple9> he maybe be able to custom make the death eaters wands [14:33] <antonin> i don't think it will be [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> he knows the properties of all the wands he has sold [14:33] <JaneMarple9> make them more powerful [14:33] <mollywobbles23> Keep an endless supply of wands for DEs? [14:33] <Evreka> 2) he might be asked to tell LV what Harry's strength and weak sides are... [14:33] <antonin> i don't think they'll be able to get anything out of him unless he willingly gives it [14:33] <Aislinn> right prongs [14:33] <antonin> or at least i hope :sad: [14:33] <MirandaV> yes prongs [14:33] <ltbrave23> would it matter if they had an endless supply if the wand chooses the wizard [14:34] <dumbleydore18> if the DE got a hold of Olli they could interigate him and try to get queastions answered about how wands work with a wizard. [14:34] <Evreka> good question lt [14:34] <nympheart> I don't think he'll make the wands more powerful. If there is a way to make them so much stronger, then why doesn't he just sell them that way? [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> unless LV wants to pervert the power of a wand--and for that, he would need Ollivander [14:34] <mollywobbles23> if he made five of the same type of wand that each DE already has, maybe. [14:34] <MirandaV> I don't think it would lt [14:34] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe he was kiddnapped to help open something or have something hidden in such a way, that the only person able to get it is the one with LV's wand [14:34] <katiebcat> well neville = 3 curses are connected with him because in book four moody did the torture curse on him so I think neville grew some courage from that [14:34] <mollywobbles23> I don't know. Just throwing things out there. [14:34] <MafaldaWeasley> okay, far-fetched heheh [14:34] <harryfreak359> you never know though [14:34] <Expelliarmas> His expertise goes to what the core of Harry's wand really consists of [14:35] <Expelliarmas> he has information and that is always a valuable commodity [14:35] <Evreka> katie - wasn't ON Nevilee [14:35] <Aislinn> I would think that the only thing that Ollivander could do for LV would be to make a new wand, but I find it unlikely that LV would be willing to give up his own wand [14:35] <MirandaV> Yes Expie [14:35] * SoonerGryffindor just really does not thnk that DE's got Ollivander [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> there is also the possibility that he was in possession of one of the relics from a Founder [14:35] <nympheart> I don't think LV would want a new wand [14:35] <Aislinn> it was the first thing he got after learning he was a wizard, and I'm sure he has a strong connection to it [14:35] <Evreka> but I think the PI wink shook him [14:35] <dumbleydore18> molly i dont see Olli beingforced to make duplicate wands from LV's wand. Fawkes would go bald! and also it's LV who needs to defeat harry not the DE and LV [14:35] <MirandaV> I don't think so either Aislinn...he wouldn't think he would need a new wand or he would've gotten one already [14:35] <Expelliarmas> I doubt LV would give up his wand either; but he could want info on any ancient magic which might defeat Harry's wand [14:35] <Aislinn> He doesn't learn from his mistakes, evreka [14:36] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner perhaps ollivander is in a safe palce [14:36] <MirandaV> After all PI happened at the end of GoF [14:36] <nympheart> agreed expie [14:36] <ltbrave23> you wouldn't be talking about the wand on display in the shop would you prongs [14:36] <Evreka> Well, I'm not sure that's entirely true [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I would [14:36] <Evreka> he overlooks "new" things every time [14:36] <Expelliarmas> fawkes could grow back some feathers, right fawkes28; so baldness might not be a problem [14:36] <mollywobbles23> Maybe it has nothing to do with wands, at least not present ones. What about that wand on display at the front of Ollivander's store? Isn't there a theory that it once belonged to Ravenclaw? [14:36] <ltbrave23> i think that it is a great possibility this wand is in fact a relic [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> he overlooks magic connected with his weaknesses [14:36] <fawkes28> hardy har har [14:36] <antonin> how do you do the little star thing [14:36] <Evreka> Could be... [14:37] <antonin> i hope he is in a safe place [14:37] <JaneMarple9> yes that wand is interesting [14:37] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [14:37] <Evreka> What star? [14:37] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [14:37] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic smile [14:37] <Expelliarmas> heya, cloudpic! [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hi cloudpic [14:37] <JaneMarple9> hey cloudpic smile [14:37] <MirandaV> hi cloud [14:37] <nympheart> hi cp [14:37] <Evreka> hi [14:37] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cloudpic! [14:37] <antonin> but wherever he is, do you think its possible its under the protection of someone? [14:37] <ltbrave23> hi cloudpic [14:37] <cloudpic> Hmm... am I here?? [14:37] <mollywobbles23> antonin: / me, without the space before what you want to say or "do" [14:37] <harryfreak359> Hi Cloupic! [14:37] <dumbleydore18> yes CP [14:37] <harryfreak359> Cloudpic* [14:37] <cloudpic> Huh...says "no channel" HI everyone!!!! [14:37] <Expelliarmas> Could Ollivander be in a safe house of sorts, set up by the Order? How could his knowledge of wands benefit the Order? [14:37] <mollywobbles23> that is just the "/ me" [14:37] <cloudpic> Wands!!!! [14:37] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe the fact why he was kidnapped has nothing to do with wands. he must be very good with magical elements and he seem to be very old, so maybe it for making or helping LV with one of his horcruxes [14:37] <JaneMarple9> yes you are cloud! [14:37] <ltbrave23> no, i think ollivander went out on his own, unfortunately i think that he is now with LV. [14:37] <Aislinn> I think that is the most likely scenario [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so. I think he is off somewhere on his own [14:38] <Evreka> No - then Lupin wouldn't have ruined Harry's birthday [14:38] <antonin> my thoughts are that flitwick might have ravenclaws wand, and that its a horcrux [14:38] <fawkes28> dumbledore is always thinking - he may have helped him [14:38] <mollywobbles23> Maybe Ollivander knows something that has nothing to do with wands at all. [14:38] <antonin> hi cp [14:38] <Aislinn> I'm not sure what he will be able to do to help them though [14:38] <Evreka> being upset over his disappearance [14:38] <ProngsPatronus> I believe that he is in a safe house, but that DD put him there--DD didn't always tell the Order everything [14:38] <MirandaV> I don't think Olivander is with LV [14:38] <cloudpic> Ooooo Ollivander... that's an interesting possibility [14:38] <nympheart> I think I'm more on the "Ollivander went with LV willingly" side of the fence today [14:38] <mollywobbles23> Maybe it will be a total surprise. [14:38] <Expelliarmas> Not just his knowledge of wands but his ability to make them; I don't think the ORder is hiding him though [14:38] <Expelliarmas> given Harry had his birthday right smack in the middle of a war; it was likely already on a downer slope [14:38] <MirandaV> Yikes nymph....really?? [14:38] <Aislinn> I agree Prongs [14:38] <dumbleydore18> his knowledge could help them in the same way as the DE coule get info. his knowledge could help them in learning about wands and their characteristics and help the Order fight [14:38] <cloudpic> I thought he was more like Slugghorn though, off hiding on his own... He surely knows his own value to both sides [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think Harry would have cared one way or the other to be honest though Evreka [14:39] <nympheart> really, but that changes [14:39] <Evreka> but he does - it says so [14:39] <Expelliarmas> so more news from Lupin likely neither helped nor hindered his birthday [14:39] <nympheart> but if he's with the Order I think it's more of a protection basis [14:39] <fawkes28> i agree, expie [14:39] <katiebcat> I think ollivander could be a strong part on the next book. who ever has ollivander can become a powerful person or poeple just because of his knowledge about wands and how to make them . [14:39] <cloudpic> Ollivander was associated with silver... am I jumping the gun on this? But silver seems to be a color associated with misjudging things [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> I do think that there is a more powerful effect when all three wand cores interact on the same spell--and that may be why Ollivander uses them [14:40] <mollywobbles23> the interesting thing about Ollivander's disappearance is that his store was not touched, but Flortescue's (sp?) store was destroyed. [14:40] <cloudpic> Fleur's hair, Ollivander's eyes.. [14:40] <dumbleydore18> I want to know why Olli isn't going to he "good guys" and helping them? [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Cloudpic, I totally agree with you on that. In fact, I sad earlier before you came that I think that Ollivander pullled a Slughorn [14:40] <fawkes28> the order will protect anyone who asks or needs it - that's just how they roll [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> that kind of knowledge would be wvaluable [14:40] <MirandaV> I just don't think so...I know Harry didn't really like him...but I don't think he's on LV's side [14:40] <cloudpic> LOL...great minds Sooner! [14:40] <Aislinn> The fact that he made a point of contacting DD after Harry got his wand indicates to me that there was a strong connection between the 2 of them [14:40] <katiebcat> the knowledge on how to make wands [14:40] <antonin> oh sorry molly i didn't notice that you had said that earlier, thanks!! [14:40] *** antonin has quit [Bye] [14:40] <Aislinn> I think that DD was looking out for him [14:40] <katiebcat> and wands them selves [14:40] <harryfreak359> I think so too Aislinn [14:40] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [14:40] *** antonin has joined #lounge [14:41] <Evreka> Good point, Aislinn! [14:41] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [14:41] <cloudpic> Agreed Aislinn! [14:41] <JaneMarple9> yes perhaps dumbledore knew where ollivander and Foretescue was [14:41] <MirandaV> yes, Aislinn [14:41] <Evreka> wb antonin [14:41] <katiebcat> does anyone even agree on what i say? [14:41] <dumbleydore18> is Olli staying out of both sides? [14:41] <antonin> lol thanks [14:41] <ltbrave23> i really and truly see ollivander as a truly neutral force [14:41] <antonin> had to get rid of lag [14:41] <Expelliarmas> I think he is staying out of it, dd18 [14:41] <nympheart> i spend about half the time on that side of the fence too ltbrave [14:41] <Expelliarmas> Ollivander had a wand on a purple cushion in his front window. It's been widely speculated that the wand in the window is possibly a horcrux. What are your thoughts about that theory? What will we find out about that wand (if anything)? [14:41] <katiebcat> I think ollivander should stay out of it and let them take care of it. [14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this theory [14:42] <fawkes28> me too [14:42] <Aislinn> it is an intriguing theory [14:42] <cloudpic> I'm sure Ollivander is alive somewhere.. but biding his time. Perhaps Harry will find him when he has to find that wand on the purple cushion!! [14:42] <JaneMarple9> i think it is a ravenclaw relic [14:42] <ltbrave23> i do too [14:42] <Expelliarmas> What? Ravenclaw's wand? I don't know about this [14:42] <nympheart> if it is a Horcrux, when was it made one? [14:42] <Expelliarmas> good question, nympheart [14:42] <MirandaV> he's just a wand maker period and he doesn't care what they are used for afterward? I have hard time swallowing that. [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it could be a Horcrux--more likely, though, I think it could have belonged to either one of the Founders, or to merlin himself [14:42] <nympheart> I like this theory except for that [14:42] <Expelliarmas> did LV stand out on the street and just make it into one [14:42] <fawkes28> i reread this section in OKC and it really hit me that the wand is a horcrux [14:42] <cloudpic> I'm convinced that it is, if not a hoarcrux, at least a valuable artifact of Ravenclaw's...who will have their day yet! [14:42] <mollywobbles23> I like it to a point, but them I think: horcrux in booby-trapped cave vs. horcrux on display in Diagon Alley. Something doesn't mesh. [14:43] <katiebcat> I think the wantd in the window could have belonged to a founder of hogwarts [14:43] <MirandaV> I like this theory [14:43] <Evreka> I think that it will either be a gigantic red-herring OR a Horcrux [14:43] <antonin> ooh, prongs, i never thought about it belonging to merlin! [14:43] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [14:43] <antonin> merlin's beard! [14:43] <antonin> wink [14:43] <ltbrave23> i definitely think it is a relic, not sure about it being a horcrux though [14:43] <fawkes28> hi ywkw [14:43] <dumbleydore18> I don't think it's a horcrux....if it's voldemorts, why would Olli want it in his shop? I don't see Olli being involved in anything that voldemort is. It would be too dangerous for him. [14:43] <antonin> hi ywkw [14:43] <JaneMarple9> hey YWKW smile [14:43] <Evreka> lol aNTONIN [14:43] <nympheart> somehow I doubt the wand was moved from that window at any point [14:43] <Evreka> oops sorry for caps [14:43] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [14:43] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [14:43] <NYBookworm> hi [14:43] <cloudpic> Perhaps Ravenclaw's wand has some ability (that mysterious word JKR had to come up with for the next book) that hasn't been seen yet? [14:43] <antonin> haha [14:44] <JaneMarple9> hi NYB [14:44] <ltbrave23> ollivander reveres wands almost, so why would he proudly display one, unless it was particularly important [14:44] <You_wont_know_who> hi everyone nice to see you all [14:44] <antonin> hi nybw [14:44] <Evreka> no I don't think that wand will be related to the new word [14:44] <mollywobbles23> perhaps it was simply the first wand anyone in the Ollivander family had ever made? [14:44] <cloudpic> Why a purple pillow? [14:44] <antonin> hi kneazly [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> well, that wand could have belonged to GG--remember, Dumbledore said the only KNOWN relics were the ones he had [14:44] <katiebcat> I think the JKR means the author of the book? [14:44] <mollywobbles23> who says it has to belong to someone important to be considered important? [14:44] <Evreka> could be mollywobbles [14:44] <antonin> good to see you too, [14:44] <MirandaV> I don't think he knew it was LVs dumbley...I think he had it on display because it was a collectors item [14:44] <antonin> purple is very roya [14:44] <cloudpic> I'm sure Ollivander knows whose wand it is [14:44] <antonin> l [14:44] <Evreka> right katiebell [14:44] <JaneMarple9> well purple is a "royal" colour [14:44] <Expelliarmas> of course, the wand on display could just be a sign. going back to that time period, many people couldn't read, so symbols were used instead [14:44] <cloudpic> Yes, antonin [14:44] <Evreka> as do "Jo" [14:45] <JaneMarple9> in the Muggle world [14:45] <dumbleydore18> seeing Ollivander having something of LV's in his wand shoppe to me is outrageous, that is very dangerous for him. If the DEs were to foind out if it were a horcrux imagine what could happen to him! [14:45] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:45] <fawkes28> right and it could very well be ravenclaw's item [14:45] <Aislinn> wouldn't DD know about it though, Prongs, given his relationship with Ollivander [14:45] <cloudpic> Sorry...I'm convinced it's an important artifact [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> not necessarily [14:45] <katiebcat> J.K Rowling is completly intialed JKR so i guess there is a connection between the book and the movie. [14:45] <cloudpic> Dumbledore may have known... if it's not a hoarcrux but of value in some other way? [14:46] <katiebcat> and the purple cloth could mean it belonged to someone important [14:46] <You_wont_know_who> you are talking about the Ollie's wand, right? No it is not a Horcrux [14:46] *** Evreka has quit [Bye] [14:46] <fawkes28> yes, ywkw [14:46] <katiebcat> does anyone agree? [14:46] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [14:46] <You_wont_know_who> maybe it was just a token on display [14:46] <ltbrave23> the color purple is very intriquing, purple was considered to be the color of royalty [14:46] <nympheart> I'm fairly sure it is an important artifact, which means that Ollivander would keep a close eye on it, so I think the only way it could possibly be a Horcrux is if Ollivander were an active LV supporter [14:46] <cloudpic> I don't think it's a hoarcrux... but it is important [14:46] <Evreka> grrr managed to throw myself out... [14:47] * cloudpic sympathizes with Evreka [14:47] <mollywobbles23> Maybe it was Grinwald's wand? I don't know... [14:47] <Expelliarmas> if it was something Ollivander would keep a close eye upon, then why would he leave it behind along with shishop? [14:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree with you nympheart [14:47] <MirandaV> Which book and movie katie? [14:47] <antonin> yes, but why that one [14:47] <Evreka> thanks cloud [14:47] <cloudpic> Ravenclaw's wand! [14:47] <katiebcat> first book and movie [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> I just don't think Ollivander is evil--neutral or good [14:47] <Expelliarmas> Ollivander is not the only purveyor of wands. We know that Fleur and Viktor both have "foreign made" wands. Are their wands any less capable than wands made by Ollivander? What do you think about foreign wands? [14:47] <JaneMarple9> nice idea mollywobbles thats possible [14:47] <antonin> ooh, maybe, but why have a dark wizard's wand representing your shop?? [14:47] <nympheart> since Ollivander's is supposed to be the best, I'd say they're not as powerful [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> well, he couldn't be the only one, could he? [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> foreign wands are ok as long as they are in the hands of a skillful wizard [14:48] <Expelliarmas> Well, Ollivander did think his wands were superior due to the cores he used [14:48] <fawkes28> i think the foreign wands may have different capabilities but not necessarily better [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> with all the wizards in the world [14:48] <mollywobbles23> I think they are made just as well, otherwise we would have to think that British wizards are better than other wizards because their wands are better made. [14:48] <JaneMarple9> well ollivander wasn't too impressed with fleurs and victors in book 4 [14:48] <ltbrave23> if the wand chooses the wizard then these foreign wands would have chosen them no matter what, so they shouldn't be less capable [14:48] <Evreka> I think that's just playing different trademarks against eachother [14:48] <harryfreak359> Well, I think they are probably different, dunno about more powerful though [14:48] <cloudpic> I shouldn't think a wand made elsewhere is less valuable or capable... it would entirely depend on the talent and the experience of the WandMaker, no? [14:48] <MirandaV> Ollivander's are supposed to be the best so I'm assuming they aren't as good [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> after all it's wizard who channels their energy into a wand [14:48] <JaneMarple9> perhaps the english wands are a superior quality! [14:48] <antonin> well, don't people say that there were no wands like ollivander's, if you could get them [14:48] <fawkes28> exactly, cp [14:48] <nympheart> that could be just ethnocentrism [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> well, in the Triwizard Tournament, the foreign wands were bested by Ollivander's wands [14:48] <Expelliarmas> could be, Jane, you guys are so good! [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> English wizards are not supperior [14:48] <antonin> well, jane, he may just have been jealous [14:48] <Evreka> As if you ask a Nokia boss about Ericsson mobiles or the other way around [14:48] <cloudpic> I don't think it's Where they' |
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[14:48] <MirandaV> Ollivander's are supposed to be the best so I'm assuming they aren't as good [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> after all it's wizard who channels their energy into a wand [14:48] <JaneMarple9> perhaps the english wands are a superior quality! [14:48] <antonin> well, don't people say that there were no wands like ollivander's, if you could get them [14:48] <fawkes28> exactly, cp [14:48] <nympheart> that could be just ethnocentrism [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> well, in the Triwizard Tournament, the foreign wands were bested by Ollivander's wands [14:48] <Expelliarmas> could be, Jane, you guys are so good! [14:48] <You_wont_know_who> English wizards are not supperior [14:48] <antonin> well, jane, he may just have been jealous [14:48] <Evreka> As if you ask a Nokia boss about Ericsson mobiles or the other way around [14:48] <cloudpic> I don't think it's Where they're made... but by whom... that's why he's hiding. [14:48] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:49] <cloudpic> LOL [14:49] <katiebcat> I think all wands are on the same level [14:49] <JaneMarple9> we don't know many more wand sellers do we? [14:49] <You_wont_know_who> Olliwander doesn't like competition it's clear [14:49] <JaneMarple9> is ollivander one of a kind? [14:49] <Evreka> Precisely [14:49] <mollywobbles23> exactly, nympheart: ethnocentricism [14:49] <ltbrave23> but is it the wands that were bested prongs or the wizards? [14:49] <dumbleydore18> well seeming that we don't know alot about the wands that the foreign wand maker makes, does he put his heart and soul into those wands like Ollivander does? Does he or she know about all the individual wands? I think it's all in how a wand is taken care of. [14:49] <antonin> LV and DD are english [14:49] <cloudpic> Perhaps the talent, training, etc. makes that difficult? [14:49] <nympheart> I do think that as far as UK wands are concerned, Ollivander is the best [14:49] <antonin> so you never know...lol [14:50] <Evreka> agree nympheart [14:50] <cloudpic> Good point, dumbleydore...dedication to your craft is vital. [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think both, lt [14:50] <NYBookworm> maybe they're just different and ollivander puts importance on things the other makers don't and therfore finds theirs infrerioe [14:50] <You_wont_know_who> wands made with foreign stuff are just different and it takes more skills to get the right results with them. [14:50] <cloudpic> He may also just be older....and have better "connections" to get useful cores, for example? [14:50] <Evreka> I don't think so YWKW [14:51] <MirandaV> Or different skills ywkw [14:51] <nympheart> good point cp [14:51] *** antonin has quit [Bye] [14:51] <katiebcat> dont forget about the indivitual qualities of each person and each wand [14:51] <cloudpic> Ollivander seemed to respect Fleur and Krum's wands... he didn't make any disparaging remarks [14:51] <katiebcat> and the maker [14:51] <Evreka> could be cloud [14:51] *** antonin has joined #lounge [14:51] <You_wont_know_who> cloudpic had a fair point [14:51] <MirandaV> I don't think neccessarily better skills, maybe different [14:51] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cloudpic [14:51] <You_wont_know_who> ok, let's settle with different [14:51] <ltbrave23> i also agree [14:51] <mollywobbles23> He thought Fleur's may be a little tempermental because of the veela hair. I forget what he said about Viktor's [14:51] <cloudpic> Done. [14:52] <katiebcat> I think all wands are on the same level just made with different materials [14:52] <nympheart> for Viktor's it was something like "a style I never quite..." and dropped off [14:52] <You_wont_know_who> Fleur was temperamental herself, Krum had a different style [14:52] <MirandaV> Well, Fleur's a little tempermental so that's why she had that wand... laugh [14:52] <antonin> yes, different wands are good for different things [14:52] <mollywobbles23> exactly [14:52] <fawkes28> that is a good poiny, ywkw [14:52] <harryfreak359> yup, exactly [14:52] <Evreka> and different personalities [14:53] <fawkes28> *point [14:53] <katiebcat> good point evreka [14:53] <Aislinn> Viktor's had a rigid wood, which seemed to go along with the stiffness of his personality [14:53] <You_wont_know_who> I found the choice of only three different core somehow limited [14:53] <harryfreak359> good point Aislinn [14:53] <mollywobbles23> Wouldn't it be cool if Fleur went a little "scary" veela on us in book 7 during a battle? [14:53] <MirandaV> Yes, Aislinn [14:50] <NYBookworm> maybe they're just different and ollivander puts importance on things the other makers don't and therfore finds theirs infrerioe [14:53] <JaneMarple9> laugh miranda - fleur is tempermental! [14:53] <Evreka> lol mollywobbles [14:53] <MirandaV> I hope that happens molly [14:53] <ltbrave23> i think it would be really cool molly [14:53] <antonin> haha [14:53] <You_wont_know_who> Ann gread thought [14:53] <dumbleydore18> I see it as the craftsmenship of the wands. the better the wand maker knows about hsi wands the better knowledgeable info he or she can give out [14:53] <cloudpic> I noticed that Ollivander was more than able to make each of those wands do his bidding at the weighing ceremony... but didn't he not use Harry's? [14:53] <katiebcat> fleur is not completly tempermental [14:54] <Expelliarmas> Hermione and Viktor Krum both have dragon heartstring as their wand core. Is there a possible connection there? What does Dragon Heartstring tell us about the wizard who possesses a wand with a Dragon Heartstring core? [14:54] *** trigallj has joined #lounge [14:54] <katiebcat> wait a minute [14:54] *** trigallj has quit [Bye] [14:54] <JaneMarple9> they like dragons? smile [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I had never thought of this before [14:54] <Evreka> Don't let them get angry or they'll breathe fire down your neck? laugh [14:54] <dumbleydore18> hmmm [14:54] <You_wont_know_who> I suppose people with dragon headstring are a bit introvert - dragon's heart is deep down [14:54] <fawkes28> me either [14:54] <nympheart> that's interesting, I don't think we should point this out to Ron [14:54] <cloudpic> Oh... I'd forgotten that theirs had the same cores... perhaps that's why Krum was drawn to Hermione? [14:54] <JaneMarple9> laugh Evereka! [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> but they can be brave and loyal [14:55] <mollywobbles23> lol numph [14:55] <mollywobbles23> nymph, even [14:55] <harryfreak359> lol Ev [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> as the dragons [14:55] <katiebcat> i think wands have something do with love -going along with experlliarmas - and hermione and viktor went to the yule ball together [14:55] <JaneMarple9> nice point cloud [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it speaks to commonalities in their personalities [14:55] <Kneazly> I associate dragons with bravery, but don't have anything to back that up [14:55] <MirandaV> Hmmm??? Interesting....I didn't really realize this...lol no we shouldn't nymph [14:55] <cloudpic> Thanks, Jane [14:55] <JaneMarple9> i never knew they were so similar [14:55] <Evreka> More seriously, they're tough, courageous? [14:55] * mollywobbles23 must consult the lexicon [14:55] <Evreka> it takes a lot of wizards to stop them? [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> tough and courageous and mostly misunderstood [14:55] <MafaldaWeasley> dragons are brave but they are not easily tamed [14:55] <katiebcat> i think wands have something do with love -going along with experlliarmas a while ago - nd hermione and viktor went to the yule ball together [14:55] <Evreka> exactly, mafalda [14:55] <You_wont_know_who> Mafalda good point [14:56] <Evreka> fits Hermione for sure tongue [14:56] <nympheart> both of them are more introverted, perhaps there's a connection to the wand cores [14:56] <MirandaV> Hmmm...well, I don't know about that katie, because Hermione and Ron seem well on their way to love now [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> and they do whatever they can to protect their kind, it think this are on both, Hermione and Victor [14:56] <MirandaV> I like that mafalda [14:56] <dumbleydore18> I am trying to find symbolisms of dragons and what they mean [14:56] <Evreka> nice point Mafalda [14:56] <Kneazly> They're both studious, too, but that seems hard to connect to dragons [14:56] <Evreka> Not Krum! [14:56] <You_wont_know_who> dragon's heart is the source of the power [14:57] <ltbrave23> well is krum actually studious [14:57] <cloudpic> The dragons in the Potterverse are fierce [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> dragons are the hoarders of secret knowledge [14:57] <Aislinn> they are [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> in mythology [14:57] <mollywobbles23> lexicon has nothing about what dragon's heartstring might mean: not at first glance anyway. [14:57] <Evreka> hmmm . not in HP I think [14:57] <You_wont_know_who> they can ward a secret or a treasure [14:57] <MirandaV> I don't know that Krum was studious....he juust liked to go to the library and watch Hermione study...he didn't study [14:57] <cloudpic> Would that be the connection to their guarding things in the Vaults at Gringotts? [14:57] <You_wont_know_who> there are dragons in the Gringotts [14:57] <katiebcat> well hermione at the yule ball forced harry and ron to go to bed i think -I have read the all the books working on reading the first - [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> they are often considered wise beyond their years [14:57] <katiebcat> if that helps [14:57] <You_wont_know_who> cloudpic - great minds... [14:58] <cloudpic> LOL you wont know who! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> dragons are magical creatures [14:58] <dumbleydore18> Dragons: The Chinese zodiac purports that people born in the Year of the Dragon are healthy, energetic, excitable, short-tempered, and stubborn. They are also supposedly honest, sensitive, brave, and inspire confidence and trust. The Chinese zodiac purports that people whose zodiac sign is the dragon are the most eccentric of any in the eastern zodiac. They supposedly neither borrow money nor make flowery speeches, but tend to [14:58] <Evreka> sure they are [14:58] <antonin> possibly dragons in gringotts [14:58] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:58] <JaneMarple9> they have lots of uses [14:58] <mollywobbles23> Dragon Heartstring – Hexes are a specialty of this core. [14:58] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [14:58] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [14:58] <nympheart> I think Viktor is smarter than what a lot of people give him credit for [14:58] <Evreka> lol dumbley! [14:58] <cloudpic> And there's the thing with Dragon's Blood having so many uses... the heart pumps blood... [14:58] <antonin> hi poet [14:58] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:58] <JaneMarple9> good at flying...good at lighting fires... [14:58] <mollywobbles23> from http://www.theorderofthephoenix.net/harry-potter-wands.htm [14:58] <cloudpic> Wow, dumbley... [14:58] <Poet> smile [14:58] <You_wont_know_who> dumbleydore great excerpt [14:58] <Evreka> Hi Poet [14:58] <Expelliarmas> Ron's first wand was a hand-me-down from his brother, Charlie. However, the wand seemed to be in perfect working order. What events could prompt a wizard to get a new wand, when their current wand is in fine working order? [14:58] <You_wont_know_who> hi Poet [14:59] <dumbleydore18> haha [14:59] <harryfreak359> thats interesting Dumbley [14:59] <JaneMarple9> don't make very good pets though laugh [14:59] * Poet waves [14:59] <nympheart> yay dumbley! [14:59] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [14:59] <mollywobbles23> it gets broken in half? [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> hey, poet [14:59] <cloudpic> Maybe a specialized career? [14:59] <Evreka> lol Jane [14:59] * JaneMarple9 waves at Poet [14:59] <You_wont_know_who> the character of a wizard changes with their age [14:59] <MirandaV> I don't think he's stupid nymph...he wouldn't have made it to be a triwizard champion otherwise...but I wouldn't call him studious either [14:59] <ltbrave23> that's what i think cloud [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> breakage, specialised wands for career work [14:59] <cloudpic> That's why I thought Charlie needed a new one. [14:59] <JaneMarple9> yes agreed Ywkw [14:59] <ltbrave23> i wouldn't either miranda [14:59] <nympheart> I think charlie's first wand was possibly second hand to begin with [14:59] <You_wont_know_who> also there are different needs career wise [14:59] <MirandaV> I think it may have to do with career [14:59] <Poet> Charlie graduated, so maybe he got a new one as a present - I agree nympheart [15:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:00] <JaneMarple9> i wonder if charlies new wand will have a dragonheart string? [15:00] <cloudpic> LOL...maybe he needed a more fire-proof wood! [15:00] *** mode/#lounge [+o fawkes28] by Snuffles [15:00] <You_wont_know_who> Charlie as a dragon herder might need another wand [15:00] <nympheart> lol, maybe cp [15:00] <cloudpic> Sequoia [15:00] <Evreka> Actually I think the wand was an old uncles? [15:00] <JaneMarple9> seeming he works with dragons it might be useful [15:00] <You_wont_know_who> fire-proof would be great [15:00] <MirandaV> It could have been nymph...and then he could afford to get his own wants he had a job [15:00] <dumbleydore18> maybe charlie just wanted another one and it didn't work for him, or else he has other uses for magic or just figured that he wouldn't need it. There are other means of conjuring up magic/ [15:00] <JaneMarple9> can wands be fireproof? [15:00] <MirandaV> Where do you get that Everka?? [15:01] <cloudpic> Well, sequoia wood doesnt' burn easily [15:01] <Evreka> got to be Jane, as they can create fire [15:01] <You_wont_know_who> I think a wizard can be matched with several wands but they rarely buy more than one at a time [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> lol, cp [15:01] <mollywobbles23> hmm...career change. Do you think that means after Harry survives the final battle (because he will) that he will change wands to suit whatever career he chooses since his wand is so specially suited to the, let's face it, career of fighting Voldy? [15:01] <Evreka> PS/SS? [15:01] <JaneMarple9> i think when charlie gradulated from hogwarts he'd get a new one [15:01] <antonin> i'm sure they are [15:01] <You_wont_know_who> mollywobles it can be a possibility [15:01] <cloudpic> His seems pretty all purpose... but I'm guessing that if Harry survives.. his wand won't. [15:01] <MirandaV> Not if he becomes an Auror like he wants molly... biggrin [15:01] <MafaldaWeasley> ywkw, I agree. [15:01] <Kneazly> Changing seems unusual--LV managed to somehow keep his original wand through everything [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> maybe it is like a bike--there are children's bikes, and those more suited to adult uses [15:02] <mollywobbles23> true [15:02] <antonin> i'm sure there's a spell put on them to fireproof them anyways, even if they're not sequoia [15:02] <You_wont_know_who> great thought Prongs [15:02] * cloudpic *whispers Prof. Potter DaDA* [15:02] <mollywobbles23> I don't know if he'll want to though. [15:02] <fawkes28> yes, kneazly - voldemort did keep his [15:02] <Poet> Well, even if Charlie has his wand new, its possible that he changed a lot as a person and decided a new one was in order [15:02] <cloudpic> And Voldie is ooooollllllld [15:02] <ltbrave23> LV really hasn't changed much though has he. he was up to no good then, he's up to no good now. [15:02] <fawkes28> i wonder if DD has always had the same wand - i think he probably did [15:02] <nympheart> right Kneazly, but then Lv is a static character [15:02] <You_wont_know_who> Voldemort is a conservatist [15:02] <Evreka> got that wrong - it was Charlies wand - just checked [15:03] <cloudpic> Quick research, Evreka! [15:03] <MirandaV> I think he's rather attached to his wand...I think he'll keep it [15:03] <You_wont_know_who> Charlie needed another one then [15:03] <cloudpic> If it survives... [15:03] <katiebcat> I think when ron's wand broke his wand started to back fire on him and rons first wand was a started and then ron got more mature and a event forrced ron to get a new wand that is more grown up for him [15:03] <Expelliarmas> Harry's wand is made of Holly. Holly is "holy", and has properties of triumphing over evil. Will holly give Harry an advantage in Deathly Hallows? If so, how? [15:03] <MirandaV> laugh yes, cp [15:03] <Poet> Yes, definitely [15:03] <mollywobbles23> yes, yes, yes [15:03] <Evreka> Perhaps it wasn't Charlies to begin with either? [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so definitely [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> well, holly is a great foil for yew [15:03] <nympheart> i think so [15:03] <fawkes28> oh definitely over the yew [15:03] <JaneMarple9> great idea [15:03] <You_wont_know_who> Holly represents the character of Harry [15:04] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that [15:04] <MirandaV> Oh I think so, yes [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the fact that we are going to see goodness defeat death and evil [15:04] <dumbleydore18> deathly hallows means something along the lines of holiness, Holly = holy....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm connection? [15:04] <katiebcat> what about my chat is my theroy good? [15:04] <Aislinn> right yWKW [15:04] <You_wont_know_who> love always trumph over evil [15:04] <Expelliarmas> I definitely think Harry's holly wand already foiled LV's yew wand [15:04] <JaneMarple9> but lily's wands was also holly wasn't it? [15:04] <Evreka> Holly repells evil according to european mythology according to Jo [15:04] <cloudpic> Lovely thoughts, these. [15:04] <antonin> yeah that's a good idea [15:04] <nympheart> Holly is evergreen, like yew neither of them die or become dormant in the winter [15:04] <antonin> i hadn't thought of that [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> We dont know what Lily's wand was Jane [15:04] <You_wont_know_who> Yew is evergreen either [15:04] <fawkes28> it is also interesting that hallows can mean sacred ground - so Holly seems to mean more in this context [15:04] <mollywobbles23> I thought of this while getting milk just now: could the nickname "The Chosen One," literarily at least, refer to that wand choosing Harry? That was the final marking as an equal as a result of the scar? [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> willow, I thought [15:04] <cloudpic> Perhaps that's what enabled Harry (younger, less experienced) to force those golden beads back to Voldie's wand? [15:05] <Expelliarmas> it did so in the graveyard scene of Goblet of Fire [15:05] <nympheart> Lily's was willow [15:05] <cloudpic> Holly was his "edge"? [15:05] <JaneMarple9> i wonder if a holly wand works even better when it meets a ivy wand? laugh [15:05] <Evreka> ivy? [15:05] <cloudpic> Fascinating connection, mollywobbles! [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> grin [15:05] <You_wont_know_who> Holly a s a wood - no, holliness inside Harry, his love - yes [15:05] <Evreka> Is it Ginny's? [15:05] <antonin> so it never dies, like harry! [15:05] <katiebcat> Love = Life [15:05] <Kneazly> The wand magnifies the wizard's own power--it was Harry working through his wand, not the other way around [15:06] <Aislinn> that's a really interesting question molly [15:06] <JaneMarple9> laugh just a old christmas carol - holly and the ivy laugh [15:06] <ltbrave23> i agree kneazly [15:06] <You_wont_know_who> Love is more powerful than death which Voldemort is afraid of [15:06] <Expelliarmas> oh, I really like that thought Molly, but i do think the nickname refers to the prophecy and LV marking Harry as his equal [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that thought Molly, but Neville did not go shoppng for a wand when he was 11 [15:06] <Evreka> lol Jane [15:06] <mollywobbles23> oh, I remember singing that in choir in high school, Jane [15:06] <katiebcat> I think Love = life has a connection so death is afraid of love and [15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> There's no life without death [15:07] <Kneazly> Whose was Neville's wand, I've forgotten--his dad's? [15:07] <nympheart> death is a lot less complex than life [15:07] <Evreka> yes [15:07] <Expelliarmas> I think death is simply a part of life; even DD agreed it was a natural thing [15:07] <Poet> As has been pointed out - holly is just another way that Jo has written the series to show Harry and Voldemort as being on opposite sides from each other - as was mentioned - many things about the two of them show they are each other's foils. Got to love Jo. [15:07] <cloudpic> But you know, Expie, that JKR likes things with multiple meanings and multiple levels of meaning.... [15:07] <Evreka> to Kneazly [15:07] *** antonin has quit [Bye] [15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> the only reason why there's life and death it's because they complete each other to make a cicle [15:07] <mollywobbles23> Maybe he would have if his mother had sacrificed herself for him. I wasn't thinking plot-wise, but from a literary point of view. [15:07] *** antonin has joined #lounge [15:07] <Expelliarmas> yes, she does, cloudpic [15:07] <cloudpic> I love that in these books! [15:08] <Expelliarmas> The Trio each have wands that correspond with their birth months according to Celtic folklore. Jo says that making their wands connect in that way was another way to "unite" them. Will their wands work together to deliver some sort of magic we've not yet seen? [15:08] <You_wont_know_who> holly represents also the fact that Harry is not to be corrupted [15:08] <mollywobbles23> oh, I hope so, Expie [15:08] <nympheart> no, Ron doesn't have that wand anymore [15:08] <Kneazly> That would be cool. [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> I think so, definitely [15:08] <antonin> what about this, though: "According to European tradition, the holly tree repels evil." that's from the lexicon [15:08] <Evreka> No, I think it was just something she felt was cool [15:08] <Expelliarmas> The Trio each have wands that correspond with their birth months according to Celtic [15:08] <katiebcat> May be harry's wand cant break [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> they unite the three wand cores [15:08] <ltbrave23> i think we have already seen an example of this [15:08] <cloudpic> Unity is clearly a theme here... and it's certainly been connected with strength and victory. [15:08] <Evreka> and Celtic ideas didn't match hers on Hagrid [15:08] <ltbrave23> not necessarily magic we haven [15:08] <You_wont_know_who> the Trio have different wands and they might be used for different purposes, but I don't know if they could be united [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> in the Shrieking Shack, they made Snape unconscious [15:09] <fawkes28> i think that their wands will unit because of their personalities and the strength of their love for each other [15:09] <ltbrave23> seen but maybe more powerful [15:09] <fawkes28> yes - prongs that is a great example [15:09] <You_wont_know_who> true Prongs but only by a fluke [15:09] <JaneMarple9> severussnape was not happy biggrin [15:09] <ltbrave23> that's what i was getting to prongs, [15:09] <fawkes28> when they do it together - their power was stronger [15:09] <nympheart> lol Jane [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it was a fluke [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> snape was knocked out because he was hit by 3 spells at once [15:09] <You_wont_know_who> but perhaps there's more to it [15:09] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes quite right [15:09] <Expelliarmas> I think the question refers to the wood of the wand, rather than the cores [15:09] <antonin> harrypotter [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> by three different cores [15:09] <Evreka> exactly Mafalda [15:09] <ltbrave23> i don't think so either prongs. i think this could be an example of the three wand cores uniting [15:09] <Poet> I agree, Jo thought it was important that things like their wands, their b-days, etc show important things about their personalities [15:09] <dumbleydore18> wel we know that the srength of a curse is greater when there are multiple wands conjuring the same spell. as seen in the third task of GoF. so i think it's possible that the uniting of Ron Hermione and Harry makes sense [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> not because they united their power [15:10] <JaneMarple9> that was really good magic by harrypotter ronweasly and hermionegranger [15:10] <MirandaV> Are we still on the same question of Harry's wand being holly??? I had to go put the baby down. [15:10] * nympheart thinks Jane is having too much fun with the smilies [15:10] <katiebcat> Love is a deffiite connection. and when 3 different wands come together they can make a more powerfull spell then with just one. [15:10] * JaneMarple9 promises to stop showing off biggrin [15:10] * katiebcat thinks jane should go on [15:10] * ProngsPatronus thinks jane has taken a happy pill [15:10] * katiebcat agrees with prongs [15:10] * cloudpic is ROTFL [15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they are already united somehow, and I think they have powerful bonds among them, who knows what Jo can do [15:11] <fawkes28> *crack* [15:11] * Evreka thinks smilies are less interesting than wands tongue [15:11] <MirandaV> Didn't we see that in PoA also when they all Expied Snape? [15:11] <katiebcat> lets not forget one thing [15:11] <Poet> I like that idea katiebcat - just like the founders were all different, but their similarities are what brought them together - we see the same with the trio and with their wand wood types [15:11] <antonin> haha smilies are fun though [15:11] <Expelliarmas> It has been theorized that Unicorn Hair symbolizes purity and innocence. In PS/SS, Ronan (the Centaur) said to Hagrid after being asked about a hurt unicorn, "Always the innocent are the first victims...so it has been for ages past ,so it is now." The three wizards we know to have unicorn hair cored wands are Cedric, Ron and Neville. Will the fates of Ron and Neville follow that of Cedric? [15:11] <antonin> antonin thinks that people are having too much fun with the *'s [15:11] <MirandaV> I don't think so [15:11] <mollywobbles23> no!!!!!! [15:11] <JaneMarple9> hope not! [15:11] <Evreka> Hope not! [15:12] <fawkes28> no, i dont think they will [15:12] <dumbleydore18> no! [15:12] <cloudpic> Oh... I can't think we'd lose both Ron and Neville! [15:12] <nympheart> I think maybe Neville... [15:12] <JaneMarple9> ron - be sad if he went [15:12] <ltbrave23> no, i don't even want to think about it [15:12] <ProngsPatronus> I am hoping not [15:12] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [15:12] <mollywobbles23>  [15:12] <antonin> no way!!!! [15:12] <cloudpic> It's too late to be the "first" in any case... unless one of them is the first to die in Deathly Hallows.. [15:12] <mollywobbles23> [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> Gosh, knocking the wood! [15:12] <mollywobbles23> oy [15:12] <dumbleydore18> Cedric was just at the wrong place at the wrong time, not really affecting him in the sense of his wand core [15:12] <MirandaV> I rather like Ron and I want to see R/Hr [15:12] <mollywobbles23> *shakes head* [15:12] <JaneMarple9> but if neville went - i'd need a hagrid box of tissues!!! sad [15:12] <Evreka> good point cloud [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> this makes me nervous to think about [15:12] <antonin> i'd be sad if either of them died [15:12] <antonin> obviously [15:13] <antonin> yeah i like ron [15:13] <MirandaV> happy_crying [15:13] <Evreka> I'll need that many tissues I guess [15:13] <antonin> me too, jane [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> well, they can both be impetuous [15:13] <nympheart> I think you're right cp, that worked for Lily and Cedric, but this has been going on for awhile now [15:13] <dumbleydore18> i dont want Ron or Neville to die [15:13] <Evreka> all my loved ones will not survive sad [15:13] <cloudpic> Though... *plugs Jane's ears* Neville is clearly one of the most "innocent" of those in the DA [15:13] <Kneazly> And Ron is less innocent now than Cedric was, in the sense that he knows the evil is out there [15:13] <antonin> happy_crying [15:13] <mollywobbles23> If Ron or Neville dies... happy_crying [15:13] <katiebcat> unicorn has uni in it and uni means one so if my theroy is true then when other wands find a near wand that has unicorn in it it makes the spells from to wandss lieke they ccame as one and they make a more powerfull [15:13] * Expelliarmas readies an industrial size edition of Cho Chang Kellenex for Jane [15:13] <You_wont_know_who> oh no [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I really have a bad feeling for Neville [15:13] <ltbrave23> i know it molly [15:13] <MirandaV> Yes Prongs...accio brain...I mean really... laugh [15:13] <Expelliarmas> *Kleenex [15:13] <You_wont_know_who> Neville won't die [15:13] * katiebcat thinks i am making to many typos [15:14] <antonin> lots of people sad [15:14] <You_wont_know_who> it would be too cruel [15:14] <fawkes28> oh we all do katie smile [15:14] <katiebcat> i know [15:14] <JaneMarple9> poor neville....he's going to do something tremendous before he died if he did! [15:14] <cloudpic> Neville has shown himself ready to die... especially in OotP [15:14] <dumbleydore18> same here sooner, as much as i dont want nevilleypoo to die...i think something is going to happen to him [15:14] <ltbrave23> i hope so jane [15:14] <cloudpic> Agreed, ltbrave [15:14] <mollywobbles23> If either of them dies it better be in the epilogue when they're 100 years old. [15:14] <Evreka> problem is - we'll loose so many in DH [15:15] <ProngsPatronus> they are both loyal, too--impetuosity, loyalty, innocence [15:15] <Expelliarmas> Yew also symbolizes death; that tree was featured in the graveyard scene in GoF. Is there any significance to Harry and Lord Voldemort being picked up and moved away from the graves during their duel? [15:15] <MirandaV> Yes, I do too dumbley and Sooner...but I think it will be after he does something stupendous [15:15] * mollywobbles23 is starting to think that hotline was a good idea. [15:15] <MirandaV> if it happens at all [15:15] <ltbrave23> lol molly, that's still not old enough [15:15] <antonin> we sort of discussed this last week in the live or die discussion [15:15] *** harrmione55 has joined #lounge [15:15] <cloudpic> That fascinates me.... the Hallowed (Holy) ground was not the battleground [15:15] <You_wont_know_who> Voldemort should have been dead long before, but he superficailly extended his life [15:15] <mollywobbles23> hmm [15:15] <nympheart> It shows how connected they are and set them apart from the DEs [15:15] <You_wont_know_who> hi Harrmione [15:15] <MirandaV> Isn't yew also what LV's wand is made of? [15:15] <JaneMarple9> well yew trees are usually found in graveyards [15:16] <nympheart> yes, Miranda, isn't it ironic? [15:16] <JaneMarple9> and so are willow trees [15:16] <ltbrave23> yes miranda [15:16] *** harrmione55 has quit [Bye] [15:16] <mollywobbles23> I've never thought about the significance of their being moved before [15:16] <Evreka> no idea [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it would be interesting if LV's wand was from the same tree [15:16] <antonin> "yew trees are known for their long lives. They symbolize death, but also resurrection." -HPL that's interesting....... [15:16] <mollywobbles23> I just read that part last night. [15:16] <You_wont_know_who> Yew trees are evergreens and their fruit is poisonous [15:16] <dumbleydore18> i dont think the yew tree has any purpose to making LV and Harry rise off the ground [15:16] <cloudpic> That was such a deliberate act.. being moved like that...and Voldie didn't seem to expect it [15:16] <ProngsPatronus> yews also are a symbol of rebirth--that, combined with the phoenix core, makes the wand powerful [15:16] <MirandaV> I so love irony...he's a death bringer and now the death will be brought to him....*evil laugh* [15:16] <mollywobbles23> yew tree + hallowed ground may have, though, dd18 [15:17] <Kneazly> Maybe the move was just to show that at the center it's just H and LV [15:17] <Evreka> then he'd had real "luck" Sooner... wood from his muggle father's graveyard and core from Albus pret.... tongueo [15:17] <nympheart> I think so Kneazly [15:17] <Evreka> *pet tongue [15:17] <dumbleydore18> it wasn't the yew tree that had made them rise it was PI [15:17] <katiebcat> i have a connection to the first book and movie. when harry went into ollivanders shop ollivander said something about harrys wand and the brother that gave harry that scar he has [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> yes, dd18 [15:17] <MirandaV> I don't think that's a norm to PI though dumbley [15:17] <Evreka> I do [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> we don't know, though--this is the only PI we see [15:18] <Expelliarmas> oh, dd18, i think it was more than PI that made them rise; they were deliberately moved away from the graves and onto a clearing [15:18] <Evreka> Albus didn't react [15:18] <mollywobbles23> the whole thing was abnormal [15:18] <MirandaV> yes katie he was refering to LV and Harry having the same wand core [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> DD recognised it immediately [15:18] <dumbleydore18> i don't see a tree making someone rise off the ground, by the powers invested in tree! [15:18] <Evreka> precisely Prongs [15:18] <MirandaV> that's true Prongs [15:18] <Expelliarmas> only after they were moved away from the graves and to the clearing did the light splinter around them [15:18] <Evreka> wasn't room before [15:18] <MirandaV> I don't think it was the tree either dumbley just maybe not only PI [15:19] <mollywobbles23> I am Captain Planet...whoops wrong story [15:19] *** J_DIZZLE32 has joined #lounge [15:19] <You_wont_know_who> oh I must go, see you all!! [15:19] <ltbrave23> they were moved to an equal playing field literally. and then it became a battle of wills [15:19] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [15:19] <fawkes28> bye ywkw [15:19] <mollywobbles23> bye [15:19] <nympheart> bye YwKW [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> bye, ywkw [15:19] <MirandaV> bye ywkw have a good day [15:19] <ltbrave23> captain planet! molly just became my hero. lol. [15:19] <antonin> haha molly [15:19] <J_DIZZLE32> wuts the topic? [15:19] <antonin> hi [15:19] <antonin> bye1 [15:19] <mollywobbles23> that's when my obsession with redheads began. [15:19] <harryfreak359> bye ywkw [15:19] <fawkes28> we are talking about wands [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> we are talking about wands [15:20] <MirandaV> wands J_D [15:20] <antonin> wands [15:20] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [15:20] <katiebcat> lets all think about the first book and the way harry got his wand. Ollivander talked to him saying something about harry's wand so i think there is a connection between good and evil. [15:20] <JaneMarple9> sorcerer wands [15:20] <Expelliarmas> The Yew tree is said to symbolize "rebirth". Lord Voldemort's wand is made of wood from the Yew Tree. What is the significance of the wood that Lord Voldemort's wand is made of? [15:20] <dumbleydore18> I think that the rising of Harry and LV had to do with the power that came within them. LV sees Harry as his power equal, maybe the power of themselves had made them rise [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> I have to wonder, though--would the same thing have happened if the cores were the same, but from different birds? [15:20] <nympheart> evil doesn't really die (cockroach) [15:21] <dumbleydore18> Well LV's wand helped him rebirth into his new body thats symbolism [15:21] <Evreka> From Jo's site: "yew, which can achieve astonishing longevity (there are British yew trees over two thousand years old), can symbolise both death and resurrection; the sap is also poisonous." [15:21] <ltbrave23> that's when my obsession with blue guys began molly....lol. [15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> Slytherin retuns! hehe [15:21] <nympheart> I don't think so PP, otherwise it would happen a lot more frequently [15:21] <Aislinn> Yew is also poisonous in all it's parts and symbolizes death [15:21] <katiebcat> quiet [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the rebirth part is quite interesting [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps the PI was so powerful because it was the two cores from the same bird that were in opposition [15:21] <Kneazly> I think the same bird is important, wouldn't happen otherwise [15:21] <antonin> i have to leave now [15:21] <mollywobbles23> well, it's so obvious. [15:21] *** danielk has joined #lounge [15:21] <antonin> :frown: [15:21] <ltbrave23> no i don't think so prongs, they wouldn't be brother wands [15:21] <Aislinn> but LV focuses on the immortality piece of it [15:21] <antonin> happy_crying [15:21] <Expelliarmas> I disagree, the graves of LV's murder victims were there; they were surrounded by a stand of yew trees. I think the wood and cores of the wands moved them [15:22] <JaneMarple9> the feather from fawkes is important i think [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> well, he was rebirth somehow, since he got a new body [15:22] <MirandaV> didn't we just say yew symbolized death??? I don't get it, is it death and rebirth...maybe it's about the horcruxes then...he can sort of die and then be reborn because of them [15:22] <antonin> bye everyone!! bye1 it was fun [15:22] <JaneMarple9> it whats makes harrys wand so powerful [15:22] <nympheart> bye antonin [15:22] <JaneMarple9> bye antonin [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an interesting thought Expie [15:22] <Evreka> bye antonin [15:22] <MirandaV> Can't PI only happen because they have the same wand core??? [15:23] <Aislinn> I think it is the immortality miranda - a false rebirth, as you will [15:23] <MirandaV> bye antonin [15:23] <Evreka> same animal left the wand core [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Miranda [15:23] <dumbleydore18> yew = rebirth; LV used his wands to live in new body, sap (according to jo) = poison; LV needed the poison of Nagini to feed to get new body. I like these connections. [15:23] <nympheart> I never thought about the woods having an effect expie [15:23] <Expelliarmas> I also think that being moved from the grounds of the graves will be repeated in Deathly Hallows [15:23] <mollywobbles23> I wonder if Harry and Voldemort's wands were made at the same time? I wonder if Voldy tried out Harry's wand when he was a boy, but it, obviously, didn't take? [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> the rarity occurs because it is not often that two of the same wand cores are used simultaneously [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> against weach other [15:23] <Evreka> Or even not made? [15:23] <MirandaV> Yes, Aislinn, that's what I was trying to say...you said it better thumbup [15:23] *** antonin has quit [Bye] [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> *each* [15:24] <katiebcat> yea [15:24] <katiebcat> quet [15:24] <Evreka> I think perhaps it's unusual for the same animal to get into two wands... [15:24] <ltbrave23> that is an interesting thought molly. and i agree prongs [15:24] <danielk> so basically, if harry's wand used a feather from a different phoenix, PI wouldnt occur [15:24] <fawkes28> right [15:24] <dumbleydore18> i think its interesting how the Yew is connected with LV and when he came back [15:24] <mollywobbles23> precisely [15:24] <Evreka> right [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> right daniel [15:24] <MirandaV> Yes, Prongs...that's why a lot of people don't know what it is [15:24] <ltbrave23> no don't think it would danielk [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would--but not as powerful [15:24] <MirandaV> yes, daniel [15:25] <danielk> i dont think so because i am sure there are plenty of wands using dragon core or something [15:25] <danielk> isnt that one of the primary cores ollivander uses? [15:25] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so, because otherwise PI would happen all the time because Olli only used three types of cores, didn't he? [15:25] <danielk> that means you would see PI fairly often, regardless of the level of power [15:25] <Kneazly> But since O only uses three wand cores the same core might often come into competition with each other [15:26] <MirandaV> I don't think it would happen any other way, only if it was from exaclty the same animal [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> but not simultaneously [15:26] <ltbrave23> it occurs between brother wands, you can't be a brother unless you come from the same source [15:26] <cloudpic> I'd gather more than one hair from a unicorn's tail if I'd managed to track one down... [15:26] <fawkes28> brother wands are rare so PI wouldnt happen often [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> that is a rarity [15:26] <MirandaV> yes molly [15:26] <cloudpic> Mind, I wouldn't take a huge number... but two [15:26] <Aislinn> it isn't just the core, it is the fact that they came fromt he same exact creature [15:26] <fawkes28> it is from the same phoenix which i think it key [15:26] <Kneazly> Got to go, by all [15:26] *** Kneazly left #lounge [] [15:26] <MirandaV> yes, aislinn [15:26] <cloudpic> It was an effect Dumbledore recognized though, didn't he? [15:26] <MirandaV> bye Kneazley [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> ok, I see [15:26] <cloudpic> They even had a term: "brother wands" [15:27] <Aislinn> he did cloudpic , yes [15:27] <fawkes28> yes, i think so cloudpic [15:27] <Expelliarmas> Hermione's wandwood is made of vine which represents resurrection according to Celtic lore. What could this mean in Deathly Hallows? [15:27] <fawkes28> maybe he had it with grindelwald [15:27] <danielk> well it isnt unheard of, so i am sure dumbledore has heard of it before [15:27] <MirandaV> DD knows just about everything though, let's face it [15:27] <dumbleydore18> i have to go [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is highly interesting. Might she have to revive Harry? [15:27] <dumbleydore18> bye [15:27] <mollywobbles23> or Ron... [15:27] <MirandaV> bye dumbley [15:27] <ltbrave23> he's a walking encyclopedia of the magical world miranda [15:27] <mollywobbles23> bye dumbley [15:27] <nympheart> was Hemione's the one that Jo just picked because of birthdates or was it Ron's? [15:27] *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> or bring him back from his journey to the Otherworld [15:27] <danielk> i never thought that wands would be significant in DH, except for harry's and voldemorts [15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> you were reading my mind Prongs [15:28] <danielk> too me wands dont seem to have a big affect in general [15:28] <cloudpic> Perhaps she'll accompany Harry to the "land of the dead" / Underworld, / beyond the veil part of his Hero's Journey? [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe hermione will open the secret room in MoM [15:28] <MirandaV> That's what I was theinking Prongs...great minds [15:28] <cloudpic> LOL.. same track... [15:28] <fawkes28> yes, i think she may play a key in bringing harry back [15:28] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, that is my thought as well [15:28] <danielk> if they made that big of a difference, then a wizards level of power is also dependent highly on the wand [15:28] <MirandaV> and Sooner [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> she is the brightest witch of her age--we keep hearing that about Hermione [15:28] <Aislinn> or use it from the other side to draw him back, cloud [15:28] <ltbrave23> i think the nature of wands will be very important danielk because until now she has left them very vague [15:29] <JaneMarple9> hermione might be in danger... [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree ltbrave [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> that has to be significant of something for DH [15:29] *** katiebcat has quit [Bye] [15:29] <JaneMarple9> she might learn too much from book [15:29] <danielk> maybe so, but does the type of wand play a big role in how powerful a spell is when it is cast [15:29] <danielk> like i remember ollivander saying that yew wood is good for transfiguration [15:29] <MirandaV> Yes Prongs...if there is anyone who can rfind information on how to get Harry back from the other side it is Hermione [15:30] <danielk> or something like that [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so daniel [15:30] <ltbrave23> well i think it is more the connection between the wizard and the wand [15:30] <cloudpic> That makes more sense... that she'd be his anchor... or the line which pulls him back. yeah. [15:30] <Aislinn> right [15:30] <ltbrave23> i like that idea cloud [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think that would be very natural anyway. i don't see hermione bringing Harry back from the deads [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> yep--she will throw him a vine... [15:30] <Expelliarmas> Will Priori Incantatem be a factor in Deathly Hallows? If Harry and Voldemort can't duel because of Priori Incantatem, will wand dueling be rendered impossible? [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> If somebody is to do that it will be Luna [15:31] <mollywobbles23> or maybe she'll help with whatever the "deathly hallows" are. I dig the theory about the hidden graveyard at Hogwarts with the founders. [15:31] <cloudpic> No... not from being dead... but from visiting the land of the dead, Mafalda [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I have never thought that it was going to come to them dueling each other anyway [15:31] <Aislinn> I don't see wand dueling as the key feature of their final showdown [15:31] <fawkes28> i dont think that Jo will have the exact same thing happen [15:31] <Expelliarmas> i don't think so; only if their spells collide will we get another PI effect [15:31] <ltbrave23> no i don't think so [15:31] <mollywobbles23> no idea [15:31] <fawkes28> i think they both know that they cant use their wands against each other [15:31] <cloudpic> I think Voldemort has been dwelling on just that thought! [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Their battle is going to be a battle of minds and wills [15:31] <ltbrave23> and only if the spells are cast at the same moment [15:31] *** J_DIZZLE32 has quit [Bye] [15:31] <fawkes28> i think voldemort actually fears what would happen if that situation occured again [15:31] <nympheart> I think it might, even if it is only LV having to figure out how to work around it [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it might--but between one of the other members of the trio, and an enemy [15:31] <danielk> and if both hold on long enough [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> No, cloudpic, i don't don't see harry going to visit the dead. maybe just talking to them through the veil, but I don't see him dying and all that [15:31] <MirandaV> I think she does learn too much from books Jane...I think that Hermione lacks a little common sense sometimes about how to do things in the real world [15:31] <Expelliarmas> besides, we've already had one PI; i doubt Jo will repeat the same literary device [15:32] <MirandaV> I don't know that it will come down to a duel in the end [15:32] <ltbrave23> i don't think so fawks, he went to use his against harry in the MoM [15:32] <ltbrave23> lv that is [15:32] <fawkes28> but harry wasnt really able to fight back [15:32] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [15:32] <nympheart> hi carpe [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> it might have an effect, also, if only to limit what LV means to do against Harry [15:32] <JaneMarple9> she's more practical (reading part) than performing smile [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry's wand will be useless to him in a straight-out duel against LV. That is not the way to fight him. There is a reason he is the chosen one [15:32] <danielk> why would LV fear a duel with harry? I doubt harry would use the killing curse [15:32] <cloudpic> Voldie seemed to want to duel in Goblet... to prove he could defeat Harry one on one... [15:32] <MirandaV> hi carpe [15:32] <danielk> so the worst that would happen is LV getting knocked out [15:32] <ltbrave23> no he wasn't but lv still didn't hesitate [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> mm Maybe Harry will have a new wand, DD's wand [15:33] <fawkes28> it is only when the two of them are using the wands against each other at the same time [15:33] <CarpeDiem> Hi all! [15:33] <nympheart> because LV has lost his body to Harry once, daniel [15:33] <fawkes28> if harry is defenseless then voldemort can use it [15:33] <JaneMarple9> ooo yes malfada [15:33] <MirandaV> Yes...it's like what often occurs in the real world...a lot of really smart people have absolutely no common sense... biggrin [15:33] <Aislinn> hi carpe smile [15:33] <Expelliarmas> i doubt he will have DD's wand; he loves his own [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Carpe [15:33] <danielk> but fawkes, if harry or LV couldnt handle the vibration between the wands, PI wont happen [15:33] <danielk> it takes time for PI to occur [15:33] <JaneMarple9> i like that idea - he might be willed it with fawkes and the pensieve [15:33] <danielk> both have to hold on and withstand that amoutn of force [15:33] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [15:33] <ltbrave23> i don't think it matters if harry is defenseless or not [15:33] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [15:33] <fawkes28> well if the connection is broken then the PI would break [15:34] <cloudpic> The wand choses the wizard though, Jane [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> Aberforth might get DD's wand, too [15:34] *** mode/#lounge [+o Expelliarmas] by Snuffles [15:34] <danielk> but the connection would have to be going on long enough for PI to occur [15:34] <JaneMarple9> but then again dumbledore's wand may not be as powerful against voldies wand, as harry's it [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> PI is a split-second type of thing. It is a one in a million chance of occuring [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he can have DD's wand for many reasons, including his bond to fawkes [15:34] <cloudpic> Maybe Hagrid?? [15:34] <JaneMarple9> thats a good point prongs [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> good idea also PP [15:34] <MirandaV> brb [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think we are going to see anyone using DD's wand [15:34] <danielk> remember that PI didnt just happen right off the bat, it took a while for it to occur, both wizards had to hold on ofr a good amount of time [15:34] <ltbrave23> exactly sooner, the spells have to be cast at the exact same time [15:34] <JaneMarple9> smile Hagrid is rather attached to his wand! [15:34] <cloudpic> Hagrid needs a wand for the coming struggle [15:34] <Expelliarmas> he could have DD's wand, but he would not give up his own wand [15:34] <danielk> he has one [15:34] <danielk> the umbrella [15:34] <mollywobbles23> true danielk [15:35] <Aislinn> the PI occured instantaneoulsy, daniel, in terms of forging the connection [15:35] <cloudpic> One that isn't snapped in two and embedded in a pink umbrella [15:35] *** Poet has joined #lounge [15:35] <fawkes28> i dont see how Harry will use the wand to help him defeat voldemort [15:35] <JaneMarple9> hmmm perhaps hagrid will get a upgraded wand smile [15:35] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [15:35] <danielk> but the spells cast were conjoined for quite a while [15:35] <nympheart> I think Ollivander is going to prevent PI from happening again. I think Harry and LV have to duel at some point. [15:35] <JaneMarple9> hope so! [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> DD's wand could have been buried with him [15:35] <Expelliarmas> danielk, PI took place once the two spells of the wands connected; only then did PI occur [15:35] <Aislinn> it may have been prongs [15:35] <danielk> therefore it isnt just a matter of the spells hitting at the same time, but also the connection of the two spells occuring long enough together [15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> I doubt, he was too important [15:35] <ltbrave23> i don't think lv would let it get to the point in gof though. i think he would break the connection as soon as possible. [15:35] <Expelliarmas> Where is Dumbledore's wand? Will we see Dumbledore's wand play a role in Deathly Hallows? [15:35] <mollywobbles23> Before PI occurred, Harry had to get that bead of light into Voldemort's wand. [15:36] <Aislinn> I don't think Dumbledore's wand will play a role [15:36] <JaneMarple9> perhaps hagrid took it in safekeeping? [15:36] <fawkes28> i agree, aislinn [15:36] <danielk> do we even know what kind of wand DD has? [15:36] <nympheart> I think it was either buried with him, or it's on display in what is now McG's office [15:36] <danielk> or would that be explain in DH [15:36] <cloudpic> Ahhh... there we are.... I assumed since the wizard's wand was so personal, it'd have been buried with him. [15:36] <Expelliarmas> Interesting that as part of the funeral there wasn't a ceremony as to DD's wand [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> well, we might, if it goes to Aberforth--but I think DD took his wand with him to the grave [15:36] <Poet> Not unless his wand belonged to Godric or another founder, in which case DD would likely have told Harry [15:36] <nympheart> I don't think it will ever be used again [15:36] <danielk> didnt DD lose his wand [15:36] <CarpeDiem> I don't think we've seen what happens with a wizards wand after they die. Perhaps he was burried with it? [15:36] <Expelliarmas> remember Slughorn's little diddy about having a wizard buried and his wand snapped in two? [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think it was buried with him, maybe it is in Hogwarts or in posetion of his family or friends [15:37] <fawkes28> DD is gone - his wand wont work the same with anyone else using it - including harry [15:37] <cloudpic> Was Dumbeldore's wand mentioned at the foot of the tower? [15:37] <danielk> malfo used expelliarmas to knock his wand away [15:37] <Aislinn> right expie [15:37] <Evreka> I agree Prongs [15:37] <cloudpic> Wasn't it knocked away or something?? [15:37] <danielk> yep [15:37] <JaneMarple9> that was odo wasn't it? [15:37] <Aislinn> that's where it likely landed [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> no i don't Expellie [15:37] <fawkes28> maybe hagrid got it - or mcgonagall [15:37] <ltbrave23> i don't think dd's wand will be snapped [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> was there something like that? [15:37] <Poet> I wouldn't be surprised if some were buried with their wands or their wands were broken when they died, but I don't think it is necessary [15:37] <Evreka> Accio Albus wand should have taken care of that problem, though [15:37] <ltbrave23> it would be disrespectful almost [15:37] <danielk> i dont remember hearing taht from sluggy [15:37] <Expelliarmas> you don't remember his drunken song after they buried Aragog? [15:37] <mollywobbles23> "And Odo the hero, they bore him back home/ To the place that he'd known as a lad,/They laid him to rest with his hat inside out/And his wand snapped in two, which was sad." [15:37] <CarpeDiem> I don't see it being a large role at all. Otherwise I think we would have seen other famous wands mentioned before. Slytherin or Gryffindor's wands for example. [15:37] <Expelliarmas> check HBP [15:38] <Poet> Yeah - I thinkit was broken to show their grief [15:38] <nympheart> I think we need to remember Slughorn was drunk when he sang that [15:38] <JaneMarple9> well done molly smile [15:38] <mollywobbles23> it's still obviously a wizard folk song [15:38] <danielk> i doubt DD's wand will play any significance [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh well, b ut Griffindor's wand and SS ones old be soooooooo old [15:38] <Poet> Of course his wand might have already been snapped - due to a battle or something [15:38] <mollywobbles23> I have the book next to me. [15:38] <Evreka> It was a silly drunk song... [15:38] <MirandaV> I don't know that we will see DD's wand again [15:38] <Poet> Odo's [15:38] <ltbrave23> i think so too nymph, o the things that are said when we are drunk, i mean people. [15:38] <cloudpic> JKR doesn't plant any seeds that don't flower [15:39] <mollywobbles23> folk songs are often based on tradition. [15:39] <Evreka> yes - they are called red herrings, cloud [15:39] <MafaldaWeasley> the guy was hanged wasn't him? from Slugg's song? -------------------- |
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[15:39] <mollywobbles23> or legends
[15:39] <cloudpic> Indeed, Mooy [15:39] <nympheart> It could be a tradition no longer observed though [15:39] <danielk> do we know what core was in DD's wand? [15:39] <cloudpic> *molly... sorry [15:39] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:39] <nympheart> no, we don't, daniel [15:39] <danielk> ok [15:39] <cloudpic> True, Evreka [15:39] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't remember danile [15:39] <danielk> i recently re-read the six books and i dont remember it either [15:40] <Aislinn> you're quite right about Jo's skillul way of planting early clues that turn out significant [15:40] <Evreka> remember what? [15:40] <cloudpic> Can't say I remember our knowing about Albus Dumbledore's wand in detail... is it on JKR's website? [15:40] <danielk> remember hearing DD's wand core info or anything like that [15:40] <Evreka> No it isn't [15:40] <danielk> so i dont think it was mentioned [15:40] <danielk> yeah [15:40] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid has a wand made of oak, which is considered the "king of the forest" in British lore, and is known for it's strength. Does this give us any clues about Hagrid's possible role in the final book? [15:40] <Evreka> and I don't think we do? [15:40] <nympheart> I don't think it's on the Lexicon, either [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think so [15:40] <danielk> wands seem overdone though [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> oak does not bend, but it does break [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the fact that Hagrid has this wand. I think it goes to show how Jo perceives his character [15:40] <danielk> i mean sirius was able to use snapes wand in PoA [15:40] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it says a lot about hagrid himself [15:41] <Poet> The front doors of Hogwarts are oak as well - I see it as a type of protection [15:41] <Evreka> I think it means he is as stubborn as english oak lol [15:41] <danielk> and neville and ron both got two new wands [15:41] <mollywobbles23> I think it indicates his role throughout the books. He is perhaps the only person who is able to roam the Dark Forest wihtout fear. [15:41] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:41] <mollywobbles23> without* [15:41] <fawkes28> hi cbm [15:41] <nympheart> true, prongs [15:41] <danielk> and it didnt seem to make their spells less powerfull [15:41] <cbm> Hi [15:41] <cloudpic> His character has reflected Oak throughout the series [15:41] <JaneMarple9> sounds quite a appropriate wood for hagrid [15:41] <MirandaV> Well, we know many spells bounce right off of him because he's half giant so that could be something...I can't wait for him to wave his pink umbrella at someone laugh [15:41] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:41] <JaneMarple9> oak is a solid wood [15:41] <Poet> I mean, symbolically I see oak as showing someone who is a protector [15:41] <Evreka> Anyone seen Costners Prince of thieves? He had a few things to say on english oak and its unyeildingness... [15:41] <fawkes28> right - poet [15:41] <Expelliarmas> The oak is a holy tree and is a lord of truth; and oaks are powerful herbs for protection and are used for building ships; boundary markers as well [15:41] <fawkes28> hagrid is the perfect protector [15:41] <ltbrave23> i would love to see the look on lv's face if hagrid were to wave the pink umbrella at him [15:41] <JaneMarple9> yes that pink umbrella is going to play a part! laugh [15:42] <Expelliarmas> thanks, Aislinn [15:42] <mollywobbles23> lolabove [15:42] <Evreka> lol lt [15:42] <MirandaV> Daniel, both Neville and Ron were not using there own wands before the got new ones...they were both hand me downs [15:42] <fawkes28> hagrid has been protecting him from the beginning [15:42] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Voldie is going to die from a pink umbrella? [15:42] <ltbrave23> i agree fawkes [15:42] <danielk> but it seems taht their new wands didnt make their spells more powerful either [15:42] <cloudpic> All the associations work well with Hagrid... but "the mighty oak" does ...fall. [15:42] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid is something of a protector; maybe that's why his wand chose him initially [15:42] <danielk> at least there was no mention of that making a difference [15:42] <ltbrave23> lol jane, it would be befitting, yet another thing he underestimated [15:42] <Expelliarmas> yes, cloudpic, that is a bit of a problem [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Hey guys, I am going to ask a favor... the emoticons are messing up my screen and I am trying to do a transcript. [15:42] <cbm> I hope not cloudpic, but I think it may happen [15:42] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, cloudpic [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Can we pretty please not use them for the rest of the chat? [15:43] <cloudpic> He'd have needed a sturdy wood, too as a child... since he was so strong [15:43] <ltbrave23> i have a bad feeling about that clood [15:43] <Evreka> agreed [15:43] <nympheart> yes, sooner [15:43] *** katiebcat has joined #lounge [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks [15:43] * nympheart salutes [15:43] <MirandaV> Yes, it did somewhat...but we talked about Neville earlier and how you didn't see much of his wand work in HBP and that it will probably be important in DH [15:43] <katiebcat> cool [15:43] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid also has wonderful moments of wisdom [15:43] <Aislinn> he is at risk, clooudpic [15:43] <katiebcat> my internet went down [15:43] <JaneMarple9> well who'd had thought voldie would be defeated by a pink umbrella? His worse fear isn't love - it's a umbrella!! laugh [15:43] <cloudpic> I've been preparing myself to lose Hagrid. [15:43] <katiebcat> thats why i left like that [15:44] <MirandaV> But Ron's definitely go better [15:44] <MirandaV> Well, pink is a loving color Jane [15:44] <CarpeDiem> Or maybe a Hagrid hug, Jane? [15:44] <ltbrave23> a pink umbrella at that jane [15:44] <nympheart> I used to think Hagrid would die, but not since HBP. I do think he'll fail somehow however. [15:44] <danielk> it is safe to assume that, if JKR decides to make the encyclepedia, that she will give info on every person wand... i.e core and all that? [15:44] <MirandaV> I don't know nymph...hasn't poor Hagrid had enough failure [15:44] <fawkes28> she may, daniel [15:44] <mollywobbles23> probably [15:45] <Evreka> I guess not [15:45] <fawkes28> we dont know [15:45] <cloudpic> The fact that it's in a pink umbrella seemed to show me that Hagrid is, at once, a bit unworldly... but also doesn't require the approval of others [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't know daniel [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the PotterCast Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/PotterCast-f104.html. [15:45] <Expelliarmas> lets stay on topic [15:45] <danielk> my screen froze, this sux [15:45] <Evreka> I doubt she knows every person's wand [15:45] *** danielk has quit [Bye] [15:45] *** danielk has joined #lounge [15:45] <Expelliarmas> Do elves need wands? If they had wands, what impact would that have on their already powerful magic? [15:45] <ltbrave23> i honestly think she does evreka [15:45] <MirandaV> I'd agree with that cloudpic [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it would be interesting if elves had wands [15:45] * katiebcat thinks a hug cant defeat LV and I think if LV sees some true love happen in front of him i think LV would die [15:45] <mollywobbles23> No they don't need wands. [15:45] <ltbrave23> i think it would exemplify their magic [15:45] <cbm> I assume thier magic is entirely different [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> I think wizards would see elves as a threat [15:45] <danielk> what i never understood about the elves, and them being able to apparte in and out of hogwarts [15:45] <MirandaV> Dobby is free [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think they need wand they are magical creatures temselves [15:45] <Poet> I don't think they need wands. I think wands were built to funnel the type of magic that wizards have [15:45] <nympheart> elves don't need wands, they aren't even allowed to have them [15:45] <fawkes28> i think there magic would be even more powerful if they used a wand [15:46] <Evreka> I think they're forbidden to use wands [15:46] <cloudpic> Aren't they among the beings in the Wizarding World who are denied wands by Wizarding Law? [15:46] <mollywobbles23> That's probably why they're not allowed them. [15:46] <JaneMarple9> dobby might be even more useful with a wand...or more dangerous! [15:46] <danielk> is why didnt any DE like lucius send his house-elf into hogwards [15:46] <danielk> to do some damage [15:46] <Expelliarmas> well, the question though is If they had wands ... they could reject them [15:46] <ltbrave23> but why aren [15:46] <danielk> if a house-elf must obey their master [15:46] <Poet> Maybe someday an elf could experiment and maybe create a wand that is good for their species, but since the series is ending, I assume not [15:46] <nympheart> I don't think a wand would help them much, it's a different magic [15:47] <cloudpic> They seem to have adapted to their limited environment... may have made them stronger? [15:47] *** MirandaV has quit [Bye] [15:47] <Poet> Elves do a lot of cleaning and cooking and seem to get along great without wands - at least with the householdy magic [15:47] *** MirandaV has joined #lounge [15:47] <danielk> it never made sense to me that no DE or evil wizard never used their house-elf (if they had one) to do thse things [15:47] <nympheart> not according to Amos Diggory, ltbrave [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> it seems to me, that if elves are denied wands now, they may have had them at some time [15:47] <ltbrave23> i don't know if i want to fawkes, though i would love to see dobby with a wand [15:47] <Expelliarmas> lets remember to stay on topic, please [15:47] <cloudpic> That's a good point, Prongs [15:47] <danielk> ok [15:47] <mollywobbles23> I think the fact that they are allowed to apparate into Hogwarts is not an indication of how powerful they are (though they are powerful) but an indication of how non-threatening wizards find them to be since they must obey wizards. [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, but the globlins... [15:47] <cbm> I think that everyone underestimates the house elves and they are strong enough without wands [15:47] <ltbrave23> what do you mean nymph? [15:47] <CarpeDiem> Good point, Poet. I have a feeling the wands would actually get in the way if they needed them. [15:47] <katiebcat> did i get off topic expelliarmas earlyer in the chat? [15:47] <MirandaV> Maybe they abused the privledge Prongs...having a wand is probably not a right [15:48] <danielk> i went off topic lol [15:48] <nympheart> he told Winky it was a crime in GoF [15:48] <katiebcat> may be [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> my point is that there must be some reason for that law [15:48] <cbm> I just thing they are opressed [15:48] <Poet> right now the elves may not even being doing non-verbal spells - they seem to be able to just think of what they want and do it - their magic seems much more close to the source and easy for them to access [15:48] <Expelliarmas> If Centaurs were given the right to have a wand; would they use them? Why or why not? [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> laws are not made in a vacuum [15:48] <danielk> maybe wizards feared house-elves [15:48] <Aislinn> I don't think they would [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Centaurs think they are too good for wands [15:49] <danielk> so they made that law too make sure that the elves couldnt try to take over [15:49] <ltbrave23> i agree prongs [15:49] <mollywobbles23> only if they were centaur-made. [15:49] <Expelliarmas> Well, after checking with the stars, they might; but I think they think themselves above those things [15:49] <Aislinn> they are so proud of the fact that they are a race apart, that I don't think they would deign to use a wizard's device [15:49] <nympheart> I think centaur magic isn't so blatant [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Centaurs would willingly use any symbol of human magic [15:49] <ltbrave23> i don't think they would [15:49] <cloudpic> Not likely... they seem not to operate anything like the Wizards.. though that may have come from a schism many centuries ago [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't think the centaurs really care for wands or humans [15:49] <cbm> I doubt it, they seem to dislike anything having to do with wizards [15:49] <nympheart> but they definitely wouldn't use a wizard wand [15:49] <JaneMarple9> i don't think centaurs like wants [15:49] <fawkes28> i dont think they would use them because they didnt want to even be classified in the same group as other beings [15:49] <JaneMarple9> wands* too [15:50] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:50] <MirandaV> I have to go all...bye!! [15:50] <danielk> bye [15:50] <Poet> Centaurs probably wouldn't use them, by and large. I agree that they are more thinkers and prefer to work with the elements rather than command them with a wand, if that makes sense [15:50] *** MirandaV has quit [Bye] [15:50] <Expelliarmas> We don't really know that the Centaurs use magic, per se [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Bye Miranda [15:50] <cbm> we also do n ot know if their magic would be compatible with a wand [15:50] <ltbrave23> bye miranda [15:50] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes exactly [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> bye, mv [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> bye miranda [15:50] <Aislinn> right cbm [15:50] <katiebcat> is the chat over? [15:50] <katiebcat> ok [15:50] <danielk> 10 min [15:50] <nympheart> centaur magic is more subtle and prophetic [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Now that I think about it, Centaurs might not be able to do magic, they just are magic [15:50] <katiebcat> everyone [15:50] <fawkes28> they seem to want to be left on their own [15:50] <CarpeDiem> I don't think the Cenetaurs use many tools at all. I don't think they would want to rely on something such as wands to focus their magic. They may see it as a crutch of sorts. [15:50] <katiebcat> my internet keeps going down [15:50] <cloudpic> That's a good point Poet, perhapas that's why Hagrid doesnt' need to rely on an intact wand for the most part [15:50] <Poet> I like that idea SoonerGryffindor [15:50] <katiebcat> ok [15:50] <ltbrave23> that's an interesting way to look at it sooner [15:51] <nympheart> I like that sooner, we'll go with that [15:51] <Evreka> Not - they don't want wizard magic [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> good one, Sooner [15:51] <mollywobbles23> good point, sooner [15:51] <Poet> They seem to be intune with the magic of the world around them - they don't need to force or change their world via wands, as far as I can tell [15:51] <Expelliarmas> Do Squibs have wands? Filch was trying to work his magic through Kwikspell...how could he have performed magic without a wand? [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [15:51] <Expelliarmas> Well, Filch's wand is a broom! [15:51] <mollywobbles23> I guess so [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think squibs cannot use a wand [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> mmm interesting hehe maybe he has his father's wand [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to see them try one day [15:52] <ltbrave23> a wand for a squib would be more of a sentimental thing if anything [15:52] <Evreka> Perhaps he bought one - or owned his parents old or something [15:52] <cbm> I would assume he had one,but would a wand choose a squib? [15:52] <Expelliarmas> he does great things with that broom [15:52] <mollywobbles23> I guess they could get a used one. [15:52] <nympheart> I'm sure squibs could own them, I could see Filch practicing swishing and flicking when no one's looking [15:52] <ProngsPatronus> maybe a wand came with the kwikspell package [15:52] <cloudpic> Interesting question... Neville's family seemed to be testing him at home for "squibness"... perhaps you don't have a wand until it's clear you're magic [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> It makes you wonder about Jo's comment about a character doing magic in the next book [15:52] <mollywobbles23> oh, good point prongs [15:52] <cbm> maybe he inherited one [15:52] <Expelliarmas> a wand for a squib must be an aspirational kind of thing [15:52] <mollywobbles23> makes more sense [15:52] <JaneMarple9> didn't mrs figg have one in book 5? [15:52] <Evreka> it does Sooner [15:52] <danielk> no [15:52] <fawkes28> even if they have a wand it is not going to be much use to them if they arent able to use magic [15:52] <Expelliarmas> no, Jane, she had a bag of cat food [15:52] <danielk> she didnt have a wand [15:52] <cbm> no [15:52] <Poet> I would think that wizard parents would want to get their child a wand, even if not accepted at Hogwarts - perhaps in the hope that they'd be late bloomers [15:52] <Evreka> What if it's Grawp though? [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I do not think that Mrs Figg ever has had a wand [15:53] <mollywobbles23> I can just see the kit: wand, cauldron, ingredients, spell book... [15:53] <danielk> can grawp do magic? [15:53] <danielk> can giants [15:53] <danielk> i doubt it [15:53] <nympheart> Mrs. Figg is apparently content as a squib [15:53] <cbm> I listened to that last week and she did not have a wand [15:53] <JaneMarple9> well hagrids a half giant [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> What about wandless magic? Will wandless magic come into play in Deathly Hallows? If so, how? [15:53] <danielk> but his dad was a wizard [15:53] <JaneMarple9> and he's good with a wand [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> oh, definitely [15:53] <danielk> so he had that blood in him [15:53] <nympheart> yes [15:53] <Poet> Yes, I think it will be important [15:53] <Evreka> I'm sure it will [15:53] <danielk> wow i froze again, so fustrating [15:53] <Evreka> why else introduce it? [15:53] <CarpeDiem> The wand chooses the wizard. If that wizard does not contain magic then would a wand ever choose them? Whatever they use they may be crippled from the start. [15:53] <ltbrave23> i think it may, i really want to see wandless magic [15:53] <nympheart> probably in the form of Love [15:53] *** danielk has quit [Bye] [15:53] <cbm> I expect harry will do something [15:53] <mollywobbles23> Yes, I think Mrs. Figg is more well-adjusted to her Squib status since she isn't surrounded by wizards all the time like Filch. [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think wandless magic will play a part [15:54] <JaneMarple9> yes i think wandless magic will be very important [15:54] <fawkes28> i think it will have to come into play [15:54] <mollywobbles23> perhaps [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> Harry has yet to really do any of that--also, unspoken spells [15:54] <Evreka> Might be LV's plan to by-pass PI [15:54] <JaneMarple9> it will help defeat voldie [15:54] *** danielk has joined #lounge [15:54] <Evreka> Or Harry's for that matter... [15:54] <fawkes28> we starting learning about it in the last book and harry may not always be around his wand if he gets in a certain situation [15:54] <Aislinn> that's a good point carpe! [15:54] <Poet> Snape sang with magic and healed Draco - Dumbledore felt magic and was able to pull up the hidden boat. I think these are both examples of wandless magic [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Harry was afraid at first that a wand would never pick him [15:55] * mollywobbles23 is starting to feel sorry for Filch. He's not even a sidekick, aka hero support. [15:55] <danielk> isnt a wand just a focusing tool? [15:55] <cbm> Ii think Harry will probably do somethng in desparation much like in ootp [15:55] <ltbrave23> i think so too poet, but didn't snape use his wand as well [15:55] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [15:55] <Expelliarmas> danielk, please check the top of your screen. thanks [15:55] <huebbe> did I miss it? [15:55] <danielk> i just had to reconnect, and someone just said something about wandless magic exp [15:55] <Expelliarmas> pretty much, huebbe [15:55] <nympheart> oh, yes, poet. the magic-senseing has to pop up somewhere. [15:55] <Evreka> He did, he moved it over the wound I think [15:55] <danielk> so i was just trying to clarify it [15:55] <huebbe> figures [15:55] <ltbrave23> i like the way you have put filch molly and it is indeed very said that he is not even hero support [15:55] <Poet> I think some of the things Harry will have to do on his DH quest will involve magic that is a bit out of the ordinary, including wandless [15:56] <ltbrave23> sad [15:56] *** katiebcat has quit [Bye] [15:56] <fawkes28> exactly poet [15:56] <mollywobbles23> like how DD sensed magic at the cave, poet? [15:56] <ltbrave23> i think it will be a culmination of what harry has learned, and then some of what he hasn't [15:56] <cloudpic> I hope Harry doesn't lose his wand in the quest... like he did in Goblet when BCjr. stole it [15:57] <fawkes28> voldemort could take it away from him [15:57] <Evreka> Hermione knows accio now... lol [15:57] <nympheart> that would be bad, cp [15:57] <Evreka> would cure it [15:57] <fawkes28> i think harry knows that he wont be able to depend on his wand - he does well under pressure [15:57] <CarpeDiem> I agree Poet, Harry has done some amazing stuff when put to the test before. I see him trying anything if desparate enough. [15:58] <Poet> I assume something "final" Harry will do to defeat Voldemort may need to be wandless - ancient or advanced unusual magic [15:58] <Expelliarmas> Will the "final blow" come from a wand, or something else? [15:58] <cbm> maybe he can remotely accio it, much like he remotely used a lumos [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> well, he knows it is possible--he has seen DD do wandless magic [15:58] <fawkes28> something else [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> and he did some himself, before he got his wand [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> something else [15:58] <huebbe> something else [15:58] <JaneMarple9> i think wands will play a big part [15:58] * mollywobbles23 pictures Harry getting like "dark Willow" and doing the crazy magic [15:58] <Evreka> Well, I'l leave that for Jo to answer.... :-p [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> Harry need to reconnect to that part of him [15:58] <JaneMarple9> or a potion [15:58] <ltbrave23> i think it will come from a wand, rather i want it to come from a wand [15:58] <cbm> something else that we can not imagine [15:58] <nympheart> not sure, I'm 50/50 as to if Love can go through a wand or if it's too powerful [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> something else [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> Love [15:58] <Expelliarmas> I don't think the wands will be the final downfall of LV [15:58] <Poet> I think it will come from something else for sure. Wands are often, but not always, "offensive" means of defeating others [15:58] <Aislinn> something else, definitelly [15:58] <fawkes28> she always surprises us - which is what we love [15:58] <ltbrave23> i like that option as well cbm [15:59] <huebbe> opps have a phone call...bye; until next time [15:59] <CarpeDiem> I agree with that CBM, something that we've not seen or anticipated. Something strong and final. [15:59] <nympheart> bye huebbe [15:59] <MafaldaWeasley> bye dears [15:59] <mollywobbles23> a daisy in the barrel [15:59] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [15:59] <danielk> bye [15:59] <Poet> cheers [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks so much for a great chat guys [15:59] <fawkes28> thanks for coming! see you next time smile [15:59] <cbm> I agree is is love. but how will the love be channeled [15:59] <cbm> bye [15:59] <danielk> bye bye [15:59] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [15:59] <Poet> See ya Carpe (smile) [15:59] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:59] <mollywobbles23> bye! [15:59] <Evreka> This chat is continued in Chamber of Chat/Study Hall, welcome over! [15:59] <ProngsPatronus> great chat, as usual! [15:59] *** mollywobbles23 left #lounge [] [15:59] *** danielk has quit [Bye] [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hug all the boothers hug [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> bye [16:00] <Evreka> bye all! [16:00] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful chat everyone. Bye! [16:00] <nympheart> bye! [16:00] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [16:00] <CarpeDiem> See ya Poet! smile [16:00] <ltbrave23> bye everyone!! [16:00] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [16:00] <cloudpic> Wonderful insights all! [16:00] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [16:00] *** Evreka left #lounge [] [16:00] <Expelliarmas> see you guys later [16:00] *** ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [16:00] <JaneMarple9> bye1 be back next week....promise! bye1 [16:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [16:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] -------------------- |
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