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Aislinn View Member Profile	Apr 8 2007, 04:13 PM Post #1
Chief Cat Herder Posts: 3,514 Joined: 10:28am August 6, 2005 Location: In the Corner Booth - home of the elusive Holy Grain!	Moderators: Aislinn, SoonerGryffindor, Expelliarmas, futureweasley, cloudpic [15:00] * Snuffles changed the topic to: HP7 chapter on the Trio (Aislinn) [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> aha [15:00] <Aislinn> smile [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I will get the q's [15:00] <Aislinn> ok [15:01] <Aislinn> I put up an announcement earlier,but we may be sparsely attended today [15:01] * Spectre has joined #lounge [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Spectre [15:02] <Spectre> hi all smile [15:02] <Aislinn> hi Spectre [15:02] * Sweety has joined #lounge [15:03] <Aislinn> hey sweety [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hello sweety [15:04] * Sweety has quit [Bye] [15:05] * Sweety has joined #lounge [15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> wb sweety [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> looks like we will have a smaller crowd because of today being Easter, but we can still wait a few minutes to get started to see if any stragglers come in [15:07] <Sweety> hi [15:07] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [15:07] <Spectre> it's almost night time at my place smile [15:07] <Aislinn> Hi NYB [15:07] <Aislinn> are you in the UK, spectre? [15:08] <NYBookworm> hi [15:08] <Spectre> no, further eastwards - Russia [15:08] <Aislinn> ah! [15:08] <Aislinn> so, it must be 9pm there? [15:08] <Aislinn> or later even [15:08] <Spectre> 11 pm actually [15:09] <Sweety> hey Sooner Griffindor why does my messages appear a minute later than I have posted them? It's almost night at my place too [15:09] <Aislinn> well, we're glad you stayed up to chat with us smile [15:09] <Aislinn> sometimes the board lags, sweety. If you type the this - /reconnect - it will sometimes make the lag better. [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, the lag monster can be mean sometimes [15:10] <Sweety> I think that it's nine pm in Russa [15:10] <Sweety> wow [15:10] <Sweety> so late [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> very late [15:11] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:11] <Spectre> I'm also glad to chat - at least I'd get to know some of LeakyLoungers better smile [15:11] <Aislinn> Hi Jane [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> of course, its early Monday morning for our Aussie friends. That always blows my mind to think about [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Jane [15:11] <JaneMarple9> ((((everybody))))) [15:11] <Aislinn> yes, the chats are a good way to do that, spectre [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> a very good way [15:11] <Spectre> I'm a newcomer both to HP world and to this place [15:11] <Spectre> hi JaneMarple [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> when did you start reading the books? [15:11] * JaneMarple9 hands out some chocolate around the Booth [15:11] <Aislinn> now is an exciting time to come to the books, with the last one coming this summer [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Jane [15:12] <Sweety> I'm from Macedonia I think that Spectre know where that is and it's ninepm now [15:13] <Spectre> um... I read the Philosopher's Stone quite a few years ago, thought it was a good fairytale and forgot about it. Last month, I read the remaining five smile [15:13] <Sweety> hi Jane [15:13] * nimbus_xl has joined #lounge [15:13] <Spectre> Sweety, yes, I know, it's near Voldemort's hiding place smile Seriously, it's former Yugoslavia smile [15:14] <Sweety> thanks for the chocolate I'll be back in a few minutes, I'll try to reconect [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> wow, that was a lot to read all at one time Spectre [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> just type /reconnect [15:14] * Sweety has quit [Bye] [15:14] <JaneMarple9> it is a fantastic series [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> that will reconnect you really fast [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> what made you decide to read the other 5, if I may ask? [15:15] <nimbus_xl> Hi Folks. First time here. [15:15] <Aislinn> Hi nimbus_xl [15:15] * PrincessPickledOnion has joined #lounge [15:15] <Aislinn> welcome! [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> hey nimbus [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> hey princess [15:15] * Sweety has joined #lounge [15:15] <nimbus_xl> So whats up for discussion? [15:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hey everyone! How are you? [15:15] * somethingnew has joined #lounge [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> well we will be discussing the trio chapter of the HP7 book [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> its okay if you havent read it yet though [15:15] <Aislinn> We're going to be talking about a chapter that was written on the Trio in the final book [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I will be asking questions for discussion points [15:16] <nimbus_xl> Where can I find it? [15:16] <Spectre> My wife read them, so I decided to read too smile Simple as that [15:16] <somethingnew> is it available to be read [15:16] <Sweety> hi I'm back to see are my mesages here coming faster [15:16] <Aislinn> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven/trio [15:16] <somethingnew> ta [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> hahaha. Aislinn beat me to it [15:17] <Aislinn> it is located at that link, as well as the other chapters for the speculation on the 7th book [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> every Sunday we do a chat about the different chapters [15:17] <Aislinn> I'm glad it is working faster for you, Sweety [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> and it looks as if we are past due to get started [15:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> Cool - i'm glad there's such a chapter - i think its kinda crucial really smile haven't read it yet tho sorry!! [15:18] <Aislinn> that's OK - we are all just guessing, so today is your chance to talk about your guesses! [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, so Aislinn and I are going to get the chat started everyone, just be sure to read the rules that she is going to post [15:18] <JaneMarple9> nor me smile I am sure we'll find something to talk about too! [15:18] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:19] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:19] <Aislinn> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:19] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:19] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Each week our P3 chats are discussing one of the chapters from Leaky’s new project: HarryPotterSeven.com, which can be found at this website: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Today we will be discussing Matilda's chapter, "Much Stronger Together Than Apart" as she considers the concept of the Harry Potter "Trio" which she contrasts with the stereotypical adventure hero with sidekicks. [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> She explores the ways in which these best friends balance one another's strengths and weaknesses. Does the use of the Trio add up to something better than a single flawless, all-powerful hero with sidekicks? [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Matilda's chapter can be found here: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven/trio [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Some critics find Harry inadequate when they compare him to the flawless, all-powerful adventure-hero type. Within the story, Snape claims Harry has succeeded by "…sheer luck and more talented friends." How does the balance created by the Trio weigh against the more traditional hero with sidekicks of lesser ability than the hero in your mind? [15:20] * futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:20] <JaneMarple9> hi there future smile [15:20] * HPFanForever has joined #lounge [15:21] <futureweasley> hi there [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I will answer. I think that its great that Jo has written a normal hero [15:21] <Aislinn> I love that Harry is just an average boy in many ways, not some superhero [15:21] * omnedon11 has joined #lounge [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of question for those that just joined us: Some critics find Harry inadequate when they compare him to the flawless, all-powerful adventure-hero type. Within the story, Snape claims Harry has succeeded by "…sheer luck and more talented friends." How does the balance created by the Trio weigh against the more traditional hero with sidekicks of lesser ability than the hero in your mind? [15:22] * snoopy_paul has joined #lounge [15:22] <NYBookworm> I think it makes it mire realistic [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo gave the "hero" of our story knobbly knees and glasses [15:22] <Aislinn> I think that the combination of the three of them combines to form something that is greater than the sum of the parts - sort of like that law Slughorn told them about - Golpalot's Law, or whatever it was called [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, good analogy Aislinn [15:22] <Spectre> I think Harry is a "hero" more in the others' minds than his own. [15:22] <futureweasley> Harry is the boy next door...with a wizarding background that noone knows about in the muggle world...he could be your next door neighbor...that's what's so believable about him [15:22] <Aislinn> yes, spectre, I think that's true [15:22] <futureweasley> you pull for him because you believe him to be the underdog against all these things he doesn't know about [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> the trio are more balanced [15:22] <nimbus_xl> I do wonder sometimes what does Ron have that neither Harry or Hermione have. [15:23] <Aislinn> the wiarding community doesn't seem to see him as a boy, but always as something more than that [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we wil find that out nimbus [15:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> Most protaganists seem to have to be something extra special but i totally agree - that JKR has set Harry apart from the stereotypes by making him have flaws... like anger and emotion when he fights [15:23] <omnedon11> It makes Harry appear more real - less mythical. [15:23] <JaneMarple9> the trio are nearly always united [15:23] <Aislinn> Ron has the knowledge of the wizarding world that neither Harry nor hermione can have, having grown up in the Muggle world [15:24] <snoopy_paul> the trio arent always united remember when hermione argues with ron all the time [15:24] <snoopy_paul> or harry with ron [15:24] <PrincessPickledOnion> True - that kind of cements his bond to them both I reckon - he unites them all in a cense Aislinn [15:24] * nimbus_xl has quit [Bye] [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how Harry is the "average Joe" guy rather than some superhero [15:24] * nimbus_xl has joined #lounge [15:24] <omnedon11> I thought Hermione also grew up in the Muggle world? [15:24] <futureweasley> I agree, Aislinn...Hermione is the knowledge of practicality, Ron is the strategy and implimentation, and Harry is the force that brings them together. They are average kids with magical abilities [15:24] <nimbus_xl> Sorry don't know what happened there [15:24] <Spectre> The good think in Harry is that he doesn't try to live up to all the hype around him [15:25] <Sweety> hey sooner did you get the pm? [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> We saw the Trio work most effectively as a team when tackling the seven tasks to rescue the Sorcerer's Stone. How do Hermione's, Ron's and Harry's contributions in that effort demonstrate each one's strengths? [15:25] <Aislinn> sometimes the backspace button will kick you out nimbus [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lemme check sweety [15:25] <somethingnew> rons knowledge of strategy etc. is backed up early in the series with his expertise at chess [15:25] * LilyFlower has joined #lounge [15:25] * LilyFlower has quit [Bye] [15:25] <Spectre> Unlike, say, Lockhart [15:25] * LilyFlower has joined #lounge [15:25] * LilyFlower has quit [Bye] [15:26] <Aislinn> Yes Ron's was definitely the strategy for the chess [15:26] <JaneMarple9> yes ron is good at thinking [15:26] * jammergrl91 has joined #lounge [15:26] <somethingnew> plus he seems to have a good ability to read people [15:26] <JaneMarple9> while hermione relies on books [15:26] <snoopy_paul> but hermione is clever [15:26] * LilyFlower has joined #lounge [15:26] <Aislinn> Hermione's was the book knowledge of things like what plant they had landed on, but she still needed Ron's practicality to get her to figure out how to deal with it [15:26] <somethingnew> lockhart being the most obvious example [15:26] <nimbus_xl> And hermione was the brains for the muggle logic puzzle set by snape [15:26] <futureweasley> they each have a role...Ron showed his ability to look at the big picture during the chess match, Hermione, her proficiency of logic in the potions test... [15:26] <somethingnew> but that could ahve been down to jealousy too [15:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> Strategic planning could be essential in book 7 coming up to finding retrieving horcruxes and of course the final battle [15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think that the trio is strongest as a team and that when they are not working together as a unit, are more prone to failure [15:26] <Aislinn> yes, logic was a real strength that she contributed [15:27] * snoopy_paul has quit [Bye] [15:27] <HPFanForever> ok wat's happening [15:27] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [15:27] <Aislinn> HPFanForever: We are talking about the Trio [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> hello HPfan, we are discussing the trio chapter from the HP7 book. [15:27] <LilyFlower> Yes that is true, but when it comes down to it Harry has to face LV alone. [15:27] * Harrys_Scar has joined #lounge [15:27] <Aislinn> Harry's skill at flying and Quidditch served them well in the key room [15:28] <nimbus_xl> However Ron and Harry got on OK without Hermione in the forest in second year and Harry and Hermione got on allright without ron in third year. [15:28] <somethingnew> yes but that still requires people to face the other evil characters [15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Hermione's book knowledge, Ron's logic and Harry's skills are the perfect combination [15:28] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think its a bit like DD said how he's never trully gone until noone is faithful... maybe harry's never alone as long as he knows hermione and ron support him. [15:28] <omnedon11> Yes harry has o face LV alone, especially if he has to travel beyond the veil. [15:28] <Sweety> They are almoust allways united , I agree with future Weasley, they are representiong the power of the students,or something. Hermione represents the witches with dragon heartsring in the wand and te muggle b born wizards/witches, harry represents the people wtih the hpoenix feather, the people who have children in the order and the people witht hhalf bllod [15:28] <Aislinn> that's a good point, PrincessPickledOnion [15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a good point ni,bus, but they still needed Hermione's tip about the basilisk in CoS [15:29] <Harrys_Scar> will he breakdown if they die though or will he go into kick ass mode [15:29] <Sweety> Ron represents the wizards who are pure bllod and have unicorn hair wands. They are like the three muscetiers, the three pigs... [15:29] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks aislinn smile [15:29] <HPFanForever> how long is this on for? [15:29] <Aislinn> 2 hours [15:29] <HPFanForever> ok i gotta go thank you [15:30] <somethingnew> have ron and hermione ever come face to face with lv? i cant remember whether they did in ootp [15:30] <LilyFlower> No they have not [15:30] <Aislinn> no - it's always been Harry [15:30] * Harrys_Scar has quit [Bye] [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> In Half-Blood Prince, Ron experiences character growth by overcoming some jealousies concerning Hermione. At first he was unsure of Hermione's feelings about Harry, later Krum. What lead to his suspicions in these two cases? [15:30] <Aislinn> but getting there has happened with the other's help [15:30] <HPFanForever> cya i will be on later [15:30] * HPFanForever has quit [Bye] [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was lack of self-confidence [15:30] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think harry will be destroyed emotionally if either ron or hermione are killed... but i think he kind of needs to evolve and like snape said - become almost emotionally detatched maybe to defeat Voldie...I'd prefer him to kick ass tho. [15:30] <jammergrl91> well it wasn't reall a suspicion w/ krum, there was something going on there, was there not? [15:31] <Aislinn> confidence does seem to be a big issue for Ron right from the beginning [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> there was on that jammer, but Ron so lacks in his confidence that he make that relationship bigger than it was, IMO [15:31] <somethingnew> if harry was to be a horcrux then maybe ron or hermione would be required to kill him. [15:31] <Aislinn> Look at what he told ron on the train their very 1st ride - how he would never be able to achieve what his older brothers had done, and then he ends up making friends with the most famous boy of the wizarding world [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, that is an interesting choice that he made to befriend Harry [15:32] * LilyFlower has quit [Bye] [15:32] <jammergrl91> well, out of the trio hermione, i would say, would be the most confident, completing the idea that they're meant to be together, a little shippy but oh well [15:32] <Sweety> He likes Hermione, not likes he likes likes hermione. Hermione is closer to Harry than she is with Ron. Like in the Cos she hjugged Harry, but she had only shooken his arm. In the P [15:32] * LilyFlower has joined #lounge [15:32] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yep good point he's overshadowed completely by harry and his brothers... is this a secret weapon? Is being almost insignificant in the wake of everyone else an enforcement of power for ron tho? [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly think that all 3 of them at times, have shown a lack of confidence in themselves, but that's what normal people do, isnt it? [15:32] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, i think it is human nature [15:33] <somethingnew> harry definately [15:33] <nimbus_xl> I think Harry has the most confidence. Remember Hermione isn't all that great in flying [15:33] * ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [15:33] <Aislinn> that's an interesting question, PrincessPickledOnion - almost like flying under the radar [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> but with Ron, he is in a unique position. He is the sixth son and overshadowed by many brothers. He is not the baby of the family, and he is best friends wth Harry [15:33] <jammergrl91> yes, but harry doesn't suffer from cliche lack of confidence, it's more like a super awareness of other people's opinions [15:33] <somethingnew> form the start of the series he was unconmfident. believeing his lack of prior knowledge of the wizarding world would stop him fitting in. [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a rough spot to be in really [15:33] <LilyFlower> I wonder how much help they will be to Harry seeing tha Horcruxes aren't in any books. It's going to be more fast thinking and Harry's the best at that. [15:34] <Aislinn> i think they all have confidence in differernt areas, and insecurities in different areas - since they are different for each of them, they complement each other. [15:34] <Aislinn> They aren't in any books at Hogwarts, LilyFlower [15:34] <jammergrl91> exactly, that's why i don't see harry having a hope at finding the horcruxes without them together [15:34] <Aislinn> but they may be in books at Durmstrang [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Some of Ron's lack of confidence is justified. How could he compete with Krum, international hero? [15:34] <ltbrave23> ron is a good strategist thought lilyflower [15:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> I agree with Aislinn - it makes them work better because each has character flaws that are overshadowed or are made up by the others strengths [15:35] <Aislinn> yes, he is having to face stiff competition everywhere he turns [15:35] <JaneMarple9> ron is jealous of krum [15:35] <jammergrl91> krum was also a bit of a lunk head... [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> and unlike Hermione and Harry, he was the only one not to have had a romantic relationship [15:35] <jammergrl91> besides lavender [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> As retaliation, Ron began dating Lavendar Brown. What did Ron learn from his relationship with Lavendar? [15:35] <JaneMarple9> the way krum pays attention to hermione [15:35] <LilyFlower> How to kiss? [15:35] <jammergrl91> hahaha how to snog? [15:35] <Aislinn> His oldesst brothers were very high achievers, his friend is the famous Harry Potter, Hermione went out with the international star Krum - a lot to compete against [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Ron grew up so much with this [15:35] <Sweety> In the GOF she stood with Harry when Ron had turned his back on him, so he think that Hermione likes famous Qudditxcch players. Look at Krum and Harry, she only went with McLagen because she wanted to make Ron jealous. She was jealous of Lavander because she had ron, not her [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol guys [15:35] <nimbus_xl> I think Krum will have long left Durmstrang by now. He must have been in his final year by the time he took part in the tri-wizard [15:35] <ltbrave23> to grow up [15:35] <somethingnew> that you can't force relationships [15:36] <jammergrl91> i think ron learned more about himself from those relationships [15:36] <Aislinn> I think he realized what was important in a relationship, and that it is not just snogging [15:36] <jammergrl91> harry learned about trust and picking the right people [15:36] <LilyFlower> That won-won is a bad nickname [15:36] <jammergrl91> hermione, if anything, just got a boost in who she was, perhaps more confidence [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> He learned that physical relationships are shallow and I think he learned the depth of his feeings for Hermione [15:36] <jammergrl91> and ron learned that he can't take advantage of situations or people [15:36] <jammergrl91> yes [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron needed that to grow into the person he's going to have to be for book 7 [15:37] <ltbrave23> it allowed him to mature, which is something he definitely needed to do [15:37] <Sweety> He learned that hermione was jealous, he learned how to kiss and snog, to grow up. He went with Lavander only to prove to Ginny that he could kiss and snog, stuff like that [15:37] <JaneMarple9> ron has matured a lot [15:37] <PrincessPickledOnion> Definitely agree with y'all there... made ron more aware of his feelings for her [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> right. And then he learned after that that what you think you want is not necessarily what you really want [15:37] <Aislinn> yes, SoonerGryffindor , it was an important step in his emotional growth [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> In what ways was Ron jealous of his younger sister Ginny? [15:38] <jammergrl91> i think that helped prepare him for this horcrux hunt [15:38] <jammergrl91> to be selfless will be important [15:38] <somethingnew> if harry doesn't return to hogwarts though how will hermione and rons education develop [15:38] * somethingnew has quit [Bye] [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, she is the baby of the family, the only girl [15:38] <LilyFlower> That she had alot of boyfriends [15:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> Did this in turn make him more accepting of Harry and Ginny - harry had a hard time wondering how ron would react - do u think he'd have reacted differently if he'd not matured emotionallt? [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet Ginny never had to wear hand-me-downs [15:38] <nimbus_xl> I must say that Hermione was very out of character in the way SHE dealt with this. She gave Harry great advice in trying to develop his relationship with Sho and was yet unable to heed her own advice. [15:38] <futureweasley> yes, I think he's jealous that she's romantically uninhibited [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I do Princess [15:38] <omnedon11> Will the love Ron and Hermione share be part of the power that defeats LV? [15:39] <LilyFlower> Will you can asked the same thing about the other student not coming back [15:39] <JaneMarple9> nice idea [15:39] <ltbrave23> it's easier to give advice then take it [15:39] <nimbus_xl> Sho should be Cho [15:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks sooner griffindor smile [15:39] <LilyFlower> Well Ginny's cousins maybe [15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and she seems quite talented as well [15:39] <Aislinn> I think he is jealous of her popularity and greater maturity in relationships [15:39] <JaneMarple9> but the power of ginny and harrys love might be more effective [15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm sure that Ron was jealous of that . Also Ginny never really seemed to doubt her abilities, did she? [15:40] <jammergrl91> no [15:40] <LilyFlower> And she is pretty good at Qudditch too [15:40] <ltbrave23> o dpm [15:40] <nimbus_xl> She did when she was possesed by the diary [15:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> She seems to be special too - like he's competeing with her because she's the only girl and outshadows him because of this so he's competing against her aswell [15:40] <Sweety> Come on she dated more guys than he dated girls when he was fifth year. She knew more about kissing and snogging that he knew, stuff like that [15:40] <ltbrave23> i don't think ron was too jealous of her abilities [15:40] <ltbrave23> he seemed more proud of her to me [15:40] <Aislinn> yes, she makes things look kind of effortless, compared to his efforts in relationships and Quidditch [15:40] <LilyFlower> Ginny has face LV [15:40] * Sophia40 has joined #lounge [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think there was a bit of jealousy though ltbrave [15:41] <Sweety> She is better than him at Quidditch [15:41] <omnedon11> A young LV [15:41] <ltbrave23> i also think there was a bit, but i don't think it was very much [15:41] <LilyFlower> Still LV [15:41] <Sophia40> hey whats this chat about I am knew to this stuff [15:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yerp that's a fair point LilyFlower... she shares a bond with harry before romantic attatchments form - something ron doesnt have [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Which events in Half-Blood Prince do you think most contributed to Ron's maturing past what Matilda calls the "parties-Quidditch-and-snogging part of his life? [15:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> The death of DD [15:42] <jammergrl91> what? [15:42] <LilyFlower> But think could also mean the Ginny is weaker than Ron because LV also took her over [15:42] <Spectre> His poisoning in Slughorn's room [15:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> He cries too at the funeral... maybe he awakens to the fact that nothing lasts forever - they were all kinda subconsciensly depending on DD to be there always to help them [15:43] <Sophia40> His near death exp! [15:43] <ltbrave23> the attack of his dad [15:43] <ltbrave23> nevermind [15:43] <Aislinn> The night of the battle in the castle, losing dd, certainly brought home what was important [15:43] <ltbrave23> wrong book [15:43] <LilyFlower> When Harry gave him the lucky potion [15:44] * omnedon11 has quit [Bye] [15:44] <Aislinn> he did start to change before that night, though [15:44] * cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:44] <jammergrl91> oh, i understand now haha. i think you can't really pinpoint any moment in any of the books. there were moments where his growth has highlighted, but i think it would almost be cheating his character if you said there were too specific of moments, his whole journey has been a growing experience. i think that's part of what makes ron ron. [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Hermione take the risk of asking Ron on a date in Half-Blood Prince? How did she respond when it backfired? [15:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> The absense of fred and george maybe at Hogwarts? He's the oldest... needs to look out for ginny etc first time he's left in this position without presence of older bro's infringing his 'glory' or w/e [15:44] <Aislinn> that's a good point jammergrl91 [15:45] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [15:45] <jammergrl91> thanks. smile [15:45] <Sweety> DD's death, realising that Harry and Hermione would be there for him every time. He learned the fackt that noone lives for ever. He realises that he is more capable to fight than many other students. [15:45] * cloudpic waves [15:45] <Aislinn> I think that she has had feelings for him nearly as long as he has had feelings for her. [15:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> Test his feelings for her? [15:45] * JaneMarple9 waves back at cloudpic! [15:45] <ltbrave23> she was probably tired of waiting for him to make the move, so she did [15:45] * cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:46] <Aislinn> it was taking a risk to ask him out, and she was hurt by his reaction. [15:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> Good point Ltbrave23 [15:46] <JaneMarple9> i think i scared cloudpic there sad [15:46] <LilyFlower> Hermione has grown up too. [15:46] <Aislinn> yes she has LilyFlower [15:46] <ltbrave23> i agree [15:46] <Sweety> She loves Ron thats why she asked Ron out. [15:46] <LilyFlower> Thanks smile [15:46] * Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [15:46] * cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:46] <Aislinn> hi expie [15:46] <JaneMarple9> hi expie [15:47] <cloudpic> CB is finicky today? [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Matilda characterizes the younger Hermione as "blinded by Authority." What contributed to the change in her which leads her to use "her own strong moral compass"? [15:47] <Sweety> I agree [15:47] <JaneMarple9> hi again cloudpic!! [15:47] <Aislinn> I think that he events of PoA had a powerful effect on her [15:47] <ltbrave23> i agree [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [15:47] <cloudpic> lol.... Our Hermione surely was a girl who went by the "book" early on... [15:48] <ltbrave23> i think also the events of OOTP had a huge effect [15:48] <Aislinn> She saw the injustices of the way that buckbeak and sirius were treated by the ministry [15:48] <LilyFlower> LV coming back [15:48] <Aislinn> and realized that you can't just trust in authority blindly [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think the ineptitude of those in authority such as the MoM helped along with that [15:48] <cloudpic> Yes, and the House Elves too [15:48] <Aislinn> then, the whole bit with the elves in the next book reinforced it, yes, cloudpic [15:48] <Sophia40> I think her part in the events of PoA has change her [15:48] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes they did. Perhaps she's never had anyone go to such lengths to save her before - that she realised the need to bend the rules to help those in need (PS) [15:49] * Whisperwing has joined #lounge [15:49] <ltbrave23> YAY, braves are in the lead [15:49] <Expelliarmas> Hermione lost the blind obedience to authority along with her youth--bit by bit; the more she saw the less impressed she became [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I think that being friends with Harry helped that out a lot [15:49] <ltbrave23> sorry, yes i think the S.P.E.W has helped a lot [15:49] <Aislinn> It's been nice seeing her move away from that Percy like rigid adherence to authority, to becoming more centered on morally correct decisions. [15:49] <Sweety> the events in the POA had a great effect on her, and she was changed even more in the OotP when she and Ron wanted to create a Anti-Umbridge movement [15:49] <Spectre> Dolores Umbridge's actions also should've had an impact [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> oh yes, I think that whatever illusions she had were totally shattered by Delores [15:49] <Aislinn> yes, umbridge definitely moved her further along that path [15:49] <nimbus_xl> I think Caps lock Harry was the big changing point for Hermione# [15:49] <Whisperwing> Never mind her horrendous blunder with the centaurs [15:50] <ltbrave23> not just that Sweety, the ministry completely turned their backs on DD and Harry, and put the WW in more danger, in a time when there was no room for error [15:50] <Sweety> Hey SoonerGryffindor when is usualy Nick online? [15:50] <LilyFlower> At the end HBP Hermione listens to Harry plans without objecting once, I think she trust Harry more and maybe trust herself more too. [15:50] * Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [15:50] * mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> there is no set schedule sweety [15:50] <mollywobbles23> hola amigos! [15:51] <Aislinn> hi mollywobbles23 [15:51] <Spectre> I think she learned that authorities also can do terribly wrong things and therefore can't be trusted blindly [15:51] <nimbus_xl> hey molly [15:51] <LilyFlower> Hola! [15:51] <PrincessPickledOnion> Perhaps Cedric diggory's death also had an effect on her in the way that he was good, kind, intelligent and he wondered across Voldie's path and ended up dead - kind of cemented her suspicions already that the laws and rules are flawed and is an ass smile [15:51] <Aislinn> yes, Spectre , exactly [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> hey molly [15:51] <JaneMarple9> (((Mollywobbles))) [15:51] <mollywobbles23> what's the question? [15:51] <mollywobbles23> awww, Jane! [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a very important lesson that I think Jo wanted to impart Spectre [15:51] <Sweety> ok thanks, hi mollywobbles23 [15:51] <Expelliarmas> she accepts authority from those who have shown themselves worthy of being in authority [15:51] <Aislinn> the fact that Fudge was unwilling to believe Harry after that event had an impact, I think, PrincessPickledOnion [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I am about to ask another molly [15:52] <mollywobbles23> k [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> In Order of the Phoenix Harry began to lose faith in one of his important heroes, Headmaster Dumbledore. Was recognizing Dumbledore's imperfections good or bad for Harry? Why? [15:52] <mollywobbles23> good [15:52] <ltbrave23> i think it was good [15:52] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [15:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes Aislinn and her indignation at the Prophet and Ministry's reactions to harry shows how far she's come [15:52] <LilyFlower> Good because if he mess up somehow he know that no ones perfect [15:53] <nimbus_xl> It was good in that Harry realises that he cannot depend on others to do what is set for him to do. [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree nimbus [15:53] <ltbrave23> but it could also be bad when you think of snape [15:53] <ltbrave23> i agree nimbue [15:53] <mollywobbles23> yeah, I was thinking that too ltbrave [15:53] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he lost faith in DD, he simply saw him as being human [15:53] <ltbrave23> nimbus [15:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> good shows that everyone is human like the fake-Moody says in GOF about K. trying to show him up... [15:53] <LilyFlower> If snape is really bad [15:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes Expelliarmus smile [15:53] <Aislinn> I think that it is important to recognize that no one is perfect [15:53] <cloudpic> It's not really mentally healthy to expect anyone to be perfect... [15:54] <cloudpic> LOL [15:54] <ltbrave23> but if snape is really good, Harry's seeing DD as a human who makes mistakes is a huge problem [15:54] <ltbrave23> definitely cloudpic [15:54] <jammergrl91> i agree with expelliarmas, i think losing faith is a bad way of putting it. i don't see how it affected their relationship in the long run. [15:54] <LilyFlower> When DD lists the what he thinks are Horcruxes, Harry will look over them making sure that they are right [15:54] <cloudpic> Right, Itbrave23... can lead to trouble there [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I like how as we progress, Harry is loosing all of his delusions that others can make things better and will be able to provide all of the answers [15:54] <ltbrave23> i agree sooner [15:55] <cloudpic> Even the most powerful magic can't fix everything...nor the most powerful wizard [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> In Half-Blood Prince we see Harry interact with adults Slughorn, McGonagall and Scrimgeor in a new way. How was Harry's behavior different? Why? [15:55] <Expelliarmas> it's part of Harry growing up; if James and Lily had lived, he would have gone through the same thing with them [15:55] <ltbrave23> through this he is seeing that ultimately it is his responsibility, and can't keep relying on others to do his job [15:55] <cloudpic> True, Expie... an important stage in development [15:55] <Aislinn> I think Harry matured greatly after the death of Sirius [15:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh - sooner griffyndor got a point... him seeing DD as human and not perfect is kind of enhanced at the end when harry sees how everyone has laid their lives down for him one by one [15:55] <mollywobbles23> Harry behaved like a man, not a teenager. [15:55] <Sweety> In the OotP DD's imperfections are bad really bad for Harry. If he knew the prophecie Sirius wouldn't have died. And some of them are good, he learns that that is a difficult world caught in difficult times when most of them are after their own skin, but he learns thbat he should depend on himself and his friedns because they will allways be there for him [15:55] <cloudpic> Harry began to challenge the adults [15:55] <LilyFlower> Harry doesn't want anyone else to get hurt because of him. [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how we see Harry starting to manipulate them to an extent. He is more DD's equal this time, working with him rather than reacting to him [15:55] <Aislinn> Right, LilyFlower [15:56] <jammergrl91> i do think harry lost something though too, it's good to know that no one is flawless, but at the same time i think he lost some of the childlike trust which made him so special. it was how dumbledore live, not necessarily believing in other people's perfection but rather to have faith in everyone. it works in the way that everyone is ultimately redeemable. [15:56] <LilyFlower> Thanks smile [15:56] <ltbrave23> that's a good point sooner [15:56] <cloudpic> He didn't simply accept their authority... or avoid it [15:56] <Expelliarmas> Harry is fire-tested; he's now sure of himself [15:56] <ltbrave23> especially when he doesn't tell mcgonagall at the end, something i don't think he would have done before [15:56] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [15:56] <Sweety> Harry's bahavior was very different in a lot of ways, all of our behavior would be different when we would be 16 [15:57] <cloudpic> I was surprised about that, Itbrave23... but I suppose it was the right thing to do [15:57] <nimbus_xl> It has a lot to do with DD's fight with VDM at the end of OotP. and the talk with DD after Blacks death. Harry knew that he must remain loyal to DD and DD alone. [15:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> His being there whilst that conversation was held was almost like he was part of the decision making... like DD valued harry's input and trusted Hagrid McG. trusts him too [15:57] <Aislinn> yes, expie - he was totally broken down by the events of OotP, and has been forged in the fire of that pain [15:57] <cloudpic> He wouldn't let the adults "use" him either [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> There are so many examples through out HBP where Harry is transforming from student to leader and you can see at the end when he is asked to be in on the meeting with the staff that he is being accepted by a lot of the adults as a peer [15:57] <ltbrave23> i was surprised as well, but the less people that know the better [15:57] <LilyFlower> If anything it shows that Harry is caple of defeating LV [15:57] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I think that's true [15:57] <cloudpic> Well said, Sooner [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> its nice to know that they are not treatng him as a child as much [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> . Matilda points out that Harry didn't often plan ahead. How did Dumbledore's lessons in Half-Blood Prince begin to make Harry more a proactive planner? What had he relied upon in the past to succeed? [15:58] <cloudpic> He's reacting to them on an equal basis... which forces them to regard him that way [15:58] <mollywobbles23> My favorite has to be the way he handled Scrimgeour. [15:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> how will that respect stand however when harry decides and mite not return to hogwarts? [15:58] <Expelliarmas> well, McG at least doesn't see him as a child; not surprising she would have him in on the meeting [15:58] <ltbrave23> he is sooner, and again i think that this is shown in the mcgonagall/ harry interaction at the end. she asks him, presses, but then relents. something we haven't seen very much of mcgonagall [15:58] <Spectre> Slughorn, for his part, establishes some kind of special relationships with the Slug Club members [15:58] <Expelliarmas> luck [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly ltbrave [15:59] <cloudpic> Yes, Expie, luck...And the help of friends [15:59] <Expelliarmas> LV's lack of anticipation of obvious things [15:59] <Aislinn> I think that Harry makes use of the information around him, and has done since the first book, but it was a reactive more than proactive approach [15:59] <LilyFlower> I think Harrry with go to the DA or the Order before the Slug club thou [15:59] <ltbrave23> luck, but he still relies on luck somewhat in this book. especially to get the memory, but i guess that was a planned use of luck. [15:59] <cloudpic> Now he has more background information to consider [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that how Harry handled the triwizard tournament shows how he has acted in the past-- no plan and relying on his own skill, dumb luck, or someone else to intervene. He knows now that that has to stop [15:59] <mollywobbles23> For one, Harry now has some steps to take (destroying horcruxes) before taking on Voldemort. He will probably have to plan for that, so it will help him plan for handling Voldy, rather than relying on luck and circumstance. [16:00] <Aislinn> I think that learning more about LV in this book helps Harry to understand him better, and that this will be very important in discovering what will be effective in defeating him [16:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> The death of DD makes him plan ahead - he sees the importance of his work and suddenly realises that if DD had not divuldged the info before his death then he would not now have any clues on how to defeat Voldie. [16:00] <LilyFlower> Maybe learning about past LV will inspire him to look at the Fonders of Hogwarts [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, this is also where I think that Ron's skill as a tactition may come in handy [16:00] <cloudpic> Yes, mollywobbles... and PrincessPickled.. working from knowledge already acquired...and more responsibility. [16:01] <mollywobbles23> me too, Sooner [16:01] <Expelliarmas> I think the tactical skills now belong to Harry [16:01] <cloudpic> The Triwizard Tournament was, after all, something of a "game" [16:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes Aislinn thats a fair point - without that knowledge progression can not be fulfilled [16:01] <Sophia40> I think Harry relys on his friends alot up to HBP then during is time with DD He is Realizing he has to do it on his own [16:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thnks cloudpic waves smile [16:01] <cloudpic> ;) [16:01] <Aislinn> I think it will be the skills of all three of them that will help discover the Horcruxes [16:01] <Sweety> DD's lessons changed his personality like, he learned that he must know more or less someones past so he could defeat him, he knows that to go further he must know the path he had gone throg. Am I making sense? [16:01] <cloudpic> I think I know what you mean, Sweety [16:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes sweety [16:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Moving beyond the simple stereotype of the "researcher-sidekick," Hermione has shown more complex qualities as the series has proceeded. What evidence has there been throughout the series of Hermione's "empathy with the outsider"? [16:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> People disregard the past - and live for the future... but the past enlightens the future -wihtout it there can be little understanding [16:02] <jammergrl91> kreacher, obviously [16:02] <mollywobbles23> S.P.E.W. [16:02] <Sweety> hey sooner did you get my second pm? [16:02] <LilyFlower> Krum [16:02] <jammergrl91> also, neville [16:02] <cloudpic> Well, we've mentioned her work with the House Elves... yes, jammergrl, even Kreacher! [16:02] <mollywobbles23> taking on Buckbeak's case [16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yes sweety [16:03] * Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [16:03] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, she worked on that even when the boys forgot [16:03] <ltbrave23> that's what i tell people when they say they hate history PrincessPickledOnion [16:03] <jammergrl91> the only example where she hasn't really taken to an outsider would be luna, actually [16:03] * aranel_parmadil has joined #lounge [16:03] <cloudpic> And she knew about Lupin and kept his secret [16:03] <nimbus_xl> She was a great person to talk to for relationship advice when Harry was going out with Cho. Pity the two of them were not listening to her? [16:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks Ltbrave23 - i throw that in peoples faces too - good weapon normally isnt it tee hee biggrin [16:03] <cloudpic> after she figured out he was a werewolf... [16:03] <mollywobbles23> I think it's odd that in OOTP she felt sorry for Kreacher, but was annoyed by Luna. [16:04] <LilyFlower> But she did open up to Luna after book five [16:04] * aranel_parmadil has quit [Bye] [16:04] * aranel_parmadil has joined #lounge [16:04] <Aislinn> the one i really liked was when she told the boys all about what Cho was feeling, and helped them get a glimpse into the world of being a girl [16:04] <ltbrave23> very much so, especially for history majors.lol. [16:04] <mollywobbles23> yeah, but only after Luna had proved herself. Kreacher has yet to prove himself [16:04] * MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [16:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lol biggrin [16:04] <ltbrave23> i liked that too aislinn [16:04] <Aislinn> hi MafaldaWeasley [16:04] <LilyFlower> Hi [16:04] <MafaldaWeasley> hello everybody [16:05] <Sophia40> Hi [16:05] <Sweety> I ment my thirdpm but I guess you got that one 2, what changed Hermione? SPEW, Kreacher, Krum... [16:05] <cloudpic> And she was always protective of Hagrid... even though she worried he wasn't as good a teacher as he might have been [16:05] <Sweety> Luna [16:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes Aislinn - her insight and almost secret investigations highlight an inner maturity and fountain of knowledge that hermione hasn't acquired out of a book [16:05] <mollywobbles23> that too, cloudpic [16:05] * Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [16:05] <Love4Fawkes> good point princesspickledonion [16:05] <Aislinn> exactly, PrincessPickledOnion [16:05] <Sweety> hi Mafalda [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> hello ringo [16:05] <Ringo2000> Hello Guys! [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> hi sweety [16:05] <Sweety> Hagrid [16:05] <Sophia40> I think experiences she has faced, [16:05] <Love4Fawkes> hi ringo [16:05] <Ringo2000> Hi Mafalda [16:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks Love4Fawkes and Aislinn biggrin [16:06] <Ringo2000> Hi Love4Fawkes [16:06] <nimbus_xl> SoonerG lets move on [16:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes sophia04 [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Although Hermione sometimes starts with the library, what were some of her unusual, creative solutions to problems the Trio faced throughout the series? [16:06] <Spectre> Dumbledore's Army [16:06] <LilyFlower> Listening to Harry [16:06] <mollywobbles23> Polyjuice potion [16:06] <cloudpic> I completely loved the Polyjuice Potion [16:06] <nimbus_xl> The fake galleons [16:06] <Expelliarmas> telling Harry to rely on himself when getting the memory from Slughorn [16:06] <cloudpic> LOL, mollywobbles [16:06] <Sweety> hi ringo [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Rita Skeeter [16:06] <MafaldaWeasley> fake galleons were great [16:06] <Ringo2000> Hi Sweety [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved how Hermione handled that one [16:06] <Aislinn> Alohamora, the coins for the DA, the idea for the DA to begin with [16:06] <cloudpic> Oh, nimbus, I'd forgotten those! [16:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hell yeah cloudpicbiggrin Polyjuice rocks [16:07] <ltbrave23> Braves win!!!! i agree hermione has shown the breaking the rules to solve their purposes is a good solution [16:07] <cloudpic> And didn't she decide Harry could Accio his broom? [16:07] <Aislinn> the impervio charm for Harry's glasses [16:07] <ltbrave23> no harry went to her cloudpic [16:07] <Sophia40> do you think she is a risk taker, to try new stuff [16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I personally think her blackmail of Rita is her crowning achievement followed by the idea for the DA [16:07] <cloudpic> Ahh, thanks [16:07] <Love4Fawkes> the fire for Snakes robes (even though it wasn't snape) [16:07] <Love4Fawkes> i agree sooner [16:07] <mollywobbles23> Did she come up with anything in HBP, or was that all Harry? [16:07] <cloudpic> That was magnificent... keeping her in that jar too [16:07] <nimbus_xl> remeber we are looking for things she didn't find in a book [16:07] <ltbrave23> i agree sooner, for her to go that far really showed a change in her [16:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes sophia04 i think that these inventive steps by Hermione will be important more than ever now [16:08] <Expelliarmas> she kept telling Harry how to get the memory in HBP [16:08] <Aislinn> I don't remember anything in HBP [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione was actually not very helpful for Harry in HBP, but she did look up the info on Eileen Prince [16:08] * Kneazly has joined #lounge [16:08] <Aislinn> hi Kneazly [16:08] <Kneazly> Hi all! [16:08] <LilyFlower> AFter the fact though [16:08] <Expelliarmas> she also figured out the book wasn't all Harry thought it was [16:08] <MafaldaWeasley> hello [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, and I loved her awful attempt to try to con Mr Borgin [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> that was hilarious [16:08] <Sweety> the DA, listening to HArry, Polyjiuce potion, the protean charm, Rita Skeeter, the thing that she told Harry that only he could get the memorie from Slughorn, [16:08] <Ringo2000> Yeah I think hermione wasn't very helpful in HBP, with all the Ron business [16:08] * futureweasley has quit [Bye] [16:08] <ltbrave23> well, she wasn't that helpful because he was convinced it was Malfoy and she thought he was wrong [16:08] <mollywobbles23> yeah, which really didn't help at all but let us know who Snape's mom is after we realized he was the HBP, right? [16:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> Sooner - do u think that knowledge will help eventually in book 7? [16:08] <Sweety> hi Kneazly [16:08] <ltbrave23> after this, i don't think she will doubt harry again [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think so Princess [16:09] <LilyFlower> By not helping it made Harry grow [16:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> cool biggrin [16:09] <Sweety> yep that attempt was hilarious [16:09] <mollywobbles23> I think it might have to do with all the confusion with Ron; Hermione is always right, unless she's mad, after all. [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, for the first time Harry did not have the full support of Ron and Hermione [16:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point LilyFLower [16:09] <Expelliarmas> I think she'll question Harry no matter what; that's how Hermione rolls [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [16:09] <Sophia40> I think he study of the past has helped her work out delimas in the present [16:09] <LilyFlower> Maybe helping look up info on the Fonders [16:09] <Love4Fawkes> Yup, but it makes Harry think [16:09] <Ringo2000> Not exactly a solution but they tried ways to get Infomation off Hagrid about the Philosphers Stone [16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Since he has grown up in a wizarding family, Ron serves the Trio as a guide to the wizarding world both through his information and also his reactions. What were some insights Harry and Hermione (and we readers) gained from Ron? [16:09] <Aislinn> and sometimes that questioning is important - it makes Harry slow down a bit [16:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> Going back to the history rocks again biggrin [16:10] <LilyFlower> She didn't question Harry at the end of book six though [16:10] <Ringo2000> I though that was creative and playing with fire [16:10] <Love4Fawkes> I agree Sophia and most of the time Hermione is very logical [16:10] <ltbrave23> i think she may question his methods, but not in the big stuff, not like she did in HBP. [16:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> Giants. [16:10] <nimbus_xl> she boosted harrys confidence by stating somthing harry taught the da was very important [16:10] <mollywobbles23> aurors [16:10] <Expelliarmas> we seem to be getting less insight from Ron though as Harry and Hermione get more comfortable in the ww [16:10] <LilyFlower> Auors [16:10] <cloudpic> Even though Ron is from a fairly open-minded family, we did see his reaction to Giants [16:10] <LilyFlower> pureblood stuff [16:10] <mollywobbles23> what a Mudblood is [16:10] <Aislinn> all of the typical reactions that one would expect within the wizarding world [16:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yerp cloudpic - same wavelength smile [16:10] <LilyFlower> What the war was like before he was born [16:10] <Expelliarmas> elves love being bossed [16:10] <cloudpic> And at their first meeting on the train...Chocolate Frogs! [16:11] <Spectre> Quidditch [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> There are so many things, and its not just the knoewledge tht Ron give, its also the fact that his family are so involved as well [16:11] <Love4Fawkes> how wizard houses are built smile [16:11] <Aislinn> which were key to the puzzle, cloudpic! [16:11] <LilyFlower> FOOD! [16:11] <Ringo2000> Invisibility Cloak [16:11] <cloudpic> Yes, he counters Hermione's arguments over the House Elves [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> yes sooner. i think this is the most important thing [16:11] <mollywobbles23> a bit about wizarding pictures "you can't expect them to hang around all day!" [16:11] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, his whole family is vital [16:11] <Ringo2000> Harry wouldnt know what it was, or what it did without him [16:11] <nimbus_xl> Hermione seemed to know a lot as it was when she boarded the Hogwarts express in 1st year. I wonder how? [16:11] <cloudpic> And Quidditch (early on) [16:11] <mollywobbles23> she read all her books [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> cause she is hermione LOL [16:11] <LilyFlower> Hogwarts, A history [16:11] <Sweety> Ron being a pure bllod helped Harry very much, the things about giants, aurors, most of it pure bllod stuff. and the boosed up Harry's confidence in the PS/Ss [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> she read her book [16:12] <LilyFlower> About the houses [16:12] <cloudpic> She read Hogwarts, A History...LOL, LilyFlower! [16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> . Ron's defensive position as Keeper in Quidditch highlights his role as protector for the Trio. What were instances when Ron served as physical and/or verbal defender to the others in the Trio? [16:12] <Aislinn> information about the Ministry as well, given his knowledge through his father [16:12] <LilyFlower> thanks [16:12] <Spectre> Chess [16:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think his insight kind of juxtaposes everything logical and knowledge based that hermione has and everything morally and instinctively happends to harry if that makes sense... without the balance of all three we wouldn't see their resolves and reactions [16:12] <Ringo2000> Mudblood [16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ringo [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> he stood for Harry and Hermione many times [16:12] <Aislinn> in the shrieking shack, when he stood up to Sirius, even on a broken leg [16:12] <LilyFlower> dragons [16:12] <mollywobbles23> Since Hermione turned 11 on September 19th and she didn't start school until about a week before she turned 12, do you think she had her books all that time? [16:12] <Ringo2000> yeah he really stood in for that [16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good one Aislin [16:12] <cloudpic> I like your point PrincessPickledonion [16:12] <Ringo2000> Ron really shown his true colours [16:12] <mollywobbles23> chess [16:12] <Aislinn> yes, the mudblood incident [16:13] <Ringo2000> yeah that was a really important scnee [16:13] <Expelliarmas> the chess match [16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> he was willing to sacrifice his body in the chess game [16:13] <LilyFlower> yea because she knew that spell that fixed Harry's glasses [16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it shows he's very loayl [16:13] <Ringo2000> Yeah that was really great [16:13] <Aislinn> going into the forest with Harry to talk to aragog, even with his fear of spiders was HUGE [16 This post has been edited by Aislinn: Apr 8 2007, 04:27 PM

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Chief Cat Herder Posts: 3,514 Joined: 10:28am August 6, 2005 Location: In the Corner Booth - home of the elusive Holy Grain!	[16:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks Cloudpic biggrin [16:13] <Ringo2000> even after a year [16:13] <cloudpic> Ron angrily sticks up for Hagrid when Luna says the Ravenclaw's don't think much of his teaching in OotP [16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Ron has had to overcome all of his fears [16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> yes aislinn, [16:13] <JaneMarple9> he has yes [16:13] <mollywobbles23> He hasn't really shown it since the Shrieking Shack b/c neither he nor Hermione were there in the graveyard and he was hit with that giggly spell in OOTP. We didn't really see him fight in HBP, just heard about it. [16:13] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [16:13] <Aislinn> flying on the Thestrals, even though he couldn't see what he was rding on [16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> he had harry's back when seamus thought harry was crazy and all [16:14] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point cloudpic - demonstrates his defending and loyalty abilities [16:14] <cloudpic> Yes, Mafalda [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how Jo has assigned quidditch positions that relate to each character's role [16:14] <Aislinn> yes, MafaldaWeasley [16:14] <Ringo2000> Nice, Mafalda, I forgot about that [16:14] <nimbus_xl> The whole Parselmouth revelation [16:14] <PrincessPickledOnion> what must that have felt like ridiing something u can't see?! [16:14] <cloudpic> Oh, yes... the Quidditch positons are revealing, Sooner [16:14] <mollywobbles23> I think the fact that Ron's patronus is a dog ( a loyal creature) says it all. [16:14] <Aislinn> right, PrincessPickledOnion - that would have scared the daylights out of me! [16:14] <Sophia40> I know Sooner I picked up on that also [16:14] <LilyFlower> I was be so scared, I'm afried of heights [16:14] <Expelliarmas> well, take a ride on Space Mountain and you'll have an idea [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> excellent point molly [16:14] <Love4Fawkes> good point mollywobbles [16:14] <Aislinn> good point molly [16:14] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lmao! me too Aislinn!! [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Some critics argue Ron's only shining moment came in the first book during the task involving Wizarding Chess. Considering the theory that Book 1 "arcs" to Book 7, what might we expect in the final book to provide balance? [16:15] <Sweety> ron had to overcome his fears, flying on invisible for him things, he stood up for Harry [16:15] <LilyFlower> An annoying dog LOL [16:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> Really expelliarmus?! Cool i wan't to now smile [16:15] <LilyFlower> Ok yea [16:15] <Aislinn> a lot of people think it means another sacrifice, and I really, really hope they are wrong [16:15] <cloudpic> Oh, dear. I don't like to think of another act of sacrifice.. [16:15] <mollywobbles23> Sadly, Ron may sacrifice himself again. I hope if he does, he survives.... [16:15] <Expelliarmas> that doesn't bode well for Ron in HBP [16:15] <Sophia40> His patronous is not huge! but it fits him [16:15] <Kneazly> Strategy again, but I hope not self-sacrifice [16:15] <NYBookworm> scarifice of some type from him to allow Harry to keep going [16:15] <ltbrave23> i don't think so aislinn [16:15] * SoonerGryffindor doesnt like to think about this question [16:15] <cloudpic> I hope you're right Kneazly, that it's the strategy that's important [16:15] <Love4Fawkes> me neither sooner [16:15] <Aislinn> me either, sooner sad [16:15] <mollywobbles23> When Ron jokes, he's right: "Die, Ron, die!" shudders [16:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> Totally agree with Aislinn [16:16] <ltbrave23> harry doesn't need someone else to sacrifice themselves for him, at least not directly [16:16] <nimbus_xl> Difficult to tell as we don't know much about whats coming up. Could Ron have to drink more of the poition that DD did in HBP [16:16] <MafaldaWeasley> ron behaves like a knight most of the time. He goes to face whatever it is, atrool a chess match, spiders, LV, DE, he doesn't bother to stand for things he believes in [16:16] <LilyFlower> I think so, Harry has to go on, "Not me not Hermione you1" I love that line [16:16] <cloudpic> Was Ron's body the first one Harry saw with Molly's boggart in Grimauld Place? [16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, or something like that nimbus [16:16] <Love4Fawkes> Ron didn't only sacrifice himself, he came to the rescue with that game [16:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> will he stand a better chance tho him being younger if that's the case nimbus? [16:16] <cloudpic> Funny, that he was one to accuse Harry of the "saving people" thing [16:16] <Sweety> I don't like to think about another act of sacrifice, [16:16] <Sophia40> I thinkin Harry has the sacrfice [16:17] <mollywobbles23> yeah, I hope all the foreshadowing of Ron's death is simply a red herring of some sort. [16:17] <Aislinn> I think it might have been, cloudpic [16:17] <Expelliarmas> Harry tends to save a whole mess more people though, cloudpic [16:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> Good point cloudpic i think it was!! sad [16:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree that this time around, it will be Harry making the sacrfice, not Ron [16:17] <ltbrave23> that is a good point love4fawkes, had ron not been there they never would have made it to the stone [16:17] <mollywobbles23> I will just shatter. [16:17] <Sophia40> I am thinkin Harry has the sacrific in DH [16:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry is not the traditional adventure hero with muscle-bound abilities, but instead has "gifts of character, mind, heart and soul." How has this served him in the series so far? What might it mean in the last book? [16:17] <cloudpic> That tends to point up the fact that Harry is not meant to stand alone [16:17] <LilyFlower> LOVE [16:17] <mollywobbles23> All you need is love! [16:18] <ltbrave23> typically his intincts have gotten him through [16:18] <Expelliarmas> he was too young to be the muscle-bound hero! [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> For me, it means that we will not suddenly see Super!Harry, but the same Harry we have seen all along [16:18] <Aislinn> It is his strength of character and his love that have served him best throughout the series [16:18] <LilyFlower> Lots of Luck [16:18] <jammergrl91> what the world needs now, is love sweet love. smile [16:18] <cloudpic> Fawkes brought him the sword in SS/PS because he was loyal to Dumbledore [16:18] <Kneazly> And his emotions too have gotten him through [16:18] <nimbus_xl> Well this has been fun. See you folks [16:18] * nimbus_xl left #lounge [] [16:18] <Love4Fawkes> Harry knows its choices that are important [16:18] <mollywobbles23> yeah, no super!Harry (sorry, Jon) [16:18] <mollywobbles23> lol [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> bye nimbus [16:18] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for chatting [16:18] <ltbrave23> this isn't so in OOTP, but i think that this showed harry that he needed more than just blind instinct to get to LV [16:18] <cloudpic> And he got the Stone [16:18] <Spectre> That would also mean that there won't be any super epic battles or something [16:18] <Aislinn> and his love of sirius made LV leave him in ootp [16:18] <PrincessPickledOnion> Gives him empathy with the world around him... he has suffered sacrifice though he might not feel the full loss he mite have felt if he were old enough to remember it... and it gives him his strongest weapon as Lily said love [16:18] <cloudpic> Oh, that's true, Aislinn... LV just fled! [16:19] <Sweety> now bye everyone hope you have a good fun, I have to go. SoonerGryffindor could you pm me abouth the thread's name. All you need is love, that's what I think about the last question [16:19] <LilyFlower> Well DD help with that [16:19] <Sweety> bye now [16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> sure sweety [16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> bye [16:19] <Aislinn> I think that the connections he has made throughout the wizarding world will be at his back, based on the love and loyalty he has shown others [16:19] <Love4Fawkes> he is so loyal and loyality had gotten him through many times [16:19] <LilyFlower> bye [16:19] <Love4Fawkes> i agree aislinn [16:19] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yeh good point Aislinn [16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> it goes back to the message that the "old magic" is the most powerful [16:20] <Sophia40> As long as poeple are loyal DD will never really be gone from Hogwarts!Foreshadowing? [16:20] <cloudpic> Harry isn't swayed by ambition or fame either... can you imagine if a kid like Draco were the "Chosen One"? [16:20] <Love4Fawkes> i love that line Sophia [16:20] <jammergrl91> has anyone ever wondered if along with love being old magic, would it not be logical that hate would be another kind of old magic? [16:20] <LilyFlower> Me 2 [16:20] <mollywobbles23> we'd all be doomed [16:20] <ltbrave23> i think harry will gain a better understanding of "old magic" in DH [16:20] <cloudpic> His character is more pure. [16:20] <PrincessPickledOnion> Or maybe not even magic - DD says in book 4 that its not what people are - its what they grow to be... maybe emotions and instincts alone unrelated to magic are the 'magic' themselves [16:20] <LilyFlower> Maybe that where the unfogetabels came from [16:21] <Expelliarmas> could be, P2O [16:21] <mollywobbles23> The key is music. (just a shot in the dark) [16:21] * Sweety has quit [Bye] [16:21] <Sophia40> ooooooooh Good point jammer [16:21] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lmao Cloudpic - i'd have strangled malfoy had he been the chosen one!!!:D [16:21] <ltbrave23> LV did say that the potion that brought him back was a piece of old dark magic so yes jammergrl91 i think so [16:21] <ltbrave23> i like that mollywobbles23 [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> . Harry is not, in Matilda's words, "power-driven or ambitious." This was why it was possible for him to rescue the Sorcerer's Stone. How might this serve him well in Book 7? [16:21] <mollywobbles23> DD said "ah, music! a magic beyond all we do here!" [16:21] <PrincessPickledOnion> good idea mollywobbles23!! harry finds strength in the notes fawkes sings!!:D [16:21] <JaneMarple9> i am here smile just multi-tasking [16:22] <cloudpic> True...it's not because he wanted the Stone for himself.. [16:22] <LilyFlower> Luck and the will of his friends [16:22] <ltbrave23> you beat me to it! [16:22] <cloudpic> So, he doesn't just want to get rid of Lord Voldemort [16:22] <Aislinn> i think that his decisions willl be centered around trying to rid the world of the great evil of LV, not in conquering or getting glory for himself [16:22] <jammergrl91> he'll have to sacrifice [16:22] <cloudpic> to get even [16:22] <mollywobbles23> I'm not sure. [16:22] <Love4Fawkes> i think that it is his loyality to others coming through - he wants not for himself, but for the good of others [16:22] <mollywobbles23> Maybe help he get whatever he's reaching for on the US cover? [16:22] <mollywobbles23> him* [16:22] <cloudpic> Right, Aislinn... for others [16:23] <Aislinn> he will be willing to sacrifice himself for others, willingly [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry's reasons for wanting the stone were pure: He did not want Voldemort getting hold of it and coming back [16:23] <Aislinn> much as his mother did [16:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> he realises everyone is at stake - again he cares more for everyone else than himself, i agree aislinn. that's why he splits with ginnysad [16:23] <Love4Fawkes> right aislinn [16:23] <LilyFlower> yep [16:23] <cloudpic> So sad, that, PrincessPickled... [16:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> JKR sed that's an important part - lily n her sacrifice and the diff. between her death n james'. [16:24] <ltbrave23> well, i think that the split with ginny also came from a selfish place....though i agree that it was his care for everyone above himself [16:24] <PrincessPickledOnion> I kno cloudpic!!:( [16:24] <Sophia40> Unfortunatly revenge is dark I hope Harry doesn't go there! [16:24] <Aislinn> I don't see it as selfish, ltbrave23 - he was trying to protect her [16:24] <ltbrave23> i guess a slightly selfish place is what i meant [16:24] <Aislinn> selfish would have been hanging onto her, for his own comfort [16:24] <cloudpic> He hasn't sounded vengeful to this point... [16:24] <PrincessPickledOnion> He says he wont. He's never been tempted. why change character now [16:24] <Love4Fawkes> i don't think he will sophia, i think he'll realize what's important [16:24] <cloudpic> except maybe with Snape. [16:24] <LilyFlower> Well James died for Lily and Harry but there was no protection I think we a missing something from that story [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Matilda says we see in Harry and Ron's relationship "a brilliant example of male bonding." What have been some of the ways that the boys have expressed their friendship and shared time together? [16:24] <ltbrave23> i think there was more to it aislinn [16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> well, he wasn't giving her the right to choose, Aislinn [16:24] <Aislinn> snape is his great challenge, cloudpic [16:25] <mollywobbles23> I really like that whole thing about the difference between being dragged into a fight and entering the ring with one's head held high... [16:25] <ltbrave23> selfish isn't always so cut and dry [16:25] <LilyFlower> That too STar WArs [16:25] <mollywobbles23> talking Quidditch [16:25] <Expelliarmas> getting over each other's jealousy [16:25] <mollywobbles23> playing chess [16:25] <cloudpic> Quidditch and other games are what they do mostlly [16:25] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes mollywobbles - standing tall like his dad totally agreebiggrin [16:25] <Sophia40> Snape now there is another story to which Harry will have to overcome [16:25] <LilyFlower> Chess [16:25] <cloudpic> Guy things [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> well, at first it was being frustrated by Hermione [16:25] <ltbrave23> i do mollywobbles [16:25] <ltbrave23> it's what the US cover spelled out for me [16:25] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they act like brothers most of the time [16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> then they both rescued her together [16:25] <Aislinn> the way that Ron has stayed with Harry at Hogwarts for christmas so many years, when he has that great family to go home to [16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that was a great bit of bonding [16:26] <Love4Fawkes> just the way they almost always have each others backs [16:26] <mollywobbles23> Ron always understands when Harry doesn't want to talk about anything... [16:26] * dillypoo has joined #lounge [16:26] <cloudpic> Sharing things [16:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yep - fair point... his friendship means more than anything to harry fair point aislinn.. again!:D [16:26] <Love4Fawkes> that's true sooner [16:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> i agree cloudpic [16:26] <LilyFlower> Not really Ron kept watning to talk about Sirius [16:26] <NYBookworm> I love theri very first bonding scene where harry shares the candy with Ron [16:26] <Aislinn> me too, NYB [16:26] <mollywobbles23> yeah, me too NYB [16:26] <Love4Fawkes> yes nyb, i love that [16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron is much more empathetic when it comes to matters with Harry than he is to other characters. I think that it says a lot about how much they care for each otehr [16:26] <cloudpic> He was the thing Harry'd miss the most in GoF second task [16:27] <dillypoo> happy easter...where's the conversation at? [16:27] <ltbrave23> i think there bond was most clearly shown in the time they were apart in GoF [16:27] <LilyFlower> Yep Nothing spells friendship like Chocolate Frogs [16:27] <ltbrave23> their [16:27] <Aislinn> even in little things, like deciding which elective classes to take - they chose the same ones [16:27] <Aislinn> good point, ltbrave23 [16:27] <Love4Fawkes> and hate the same classes [16:27] <mollywobbles23> Harry understands when Ron feels uncomfortable disciplining the twins along with Hermione in OOTP. [16:27] <Expelliarmas> well, as to classes, misery loves company [16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> that was a great moment NYB. Each boy had something the other wanted, but instead of being overly jealous, they share it with the other [16:27] <cloudpic> The way they talk during classes... and goof off too [16:27] <Sophia40> I think it started when Harry stood up for Ron in SS [16:27] <Spectre> The scene in HBP leading to Ron's poisoning [16:28] * SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [16:28] <Kneazly> Got to go, bye [16:28] * SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [16:28] * Kneazly left #lounge [] [16:28] <mollywobbles23> LilyFlower, that should be a t-shirt "Nothing spells friendship like Chocolate Frogs" You even have the double connotation of "spells" [16:28] <Aislinn> good one, Spectre [16:28] <mollywobbles23> lol [16:28] <PrincessPickledOnion> yerp and ron's willingness to go and do whatever harry wants... like at the end of book 6 : that poignant moment when harry tells them they can leave and they both tell him there was a point whn they could have and they chose not to. Hermione and ron want to be there for him. [16:28] <Sophia40> there OWL say it all [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron tends to be "unflaggingly supportive" of Harry, either because he genuinely agrees or because he feels that this is the right way for a friend to behave. What do you think of this pattern in their friendship? How does it help? Hinder? [16:29] <LilyFlower> Good idea! smile [16:29] <dillypoo> i'm late...sorry...one of my favorite things about ron and harry's first meeting on the train is harry showing ron his scar...i think that's the only time harry ever willingly shows anyone his scar [16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it helps quite a bit. Look at how things turned out in HBP when Ron wasn't there supporting him all of the time [16:29] <cloudpic> Maybe that's what Harry needed? And they were young... [16:29] <Love4Fawkes> Harry always has someone to turn to [16:29] <mollywobbles23> I think Ron knows when he should push Harry, though he's usually urged by Hermione. [16:29] <Expelliarmas> Ron never seems to push Harry though, that's typically a job for Hermione; Ron is more inclined to tell Hermione to stop [16:29] <Aislinn> I think it gives Harry more confidence, knowing that Ron always has his back [16:29] <MafaldaWeasley> I think ROn has a better understanding of Harry's character. I think that he is supportive because he believes in Harry and the things he stads for [16:29] <cloudpic> I'd worry if all he had was a "yes man" but that's not the way it seems. [16:30] <mollywobbles23> yeah, but Ron pushed for the DA [16:30] <Aislinn> right, expie - he recognizes when Harry has had enough [16:30] <mollywobbles23> in his Ron way [16:30] <Sophia40> In GoF it really threw Harry that Ron didn't believe him [16:30] <Love4Fawkes> no its not cloudpic, i'm still trying to think how ron might hinder harry. i can't come up with anything [16:30] * mollywobbles23 is totally in love with Ron Weasley...lol [16:30] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh theres like a contrast - maybe ron feels he doesn't need to push harry because hermione's normally the force talkin reason and sense when ron tends to back harry's more risky exploits. he nurtures a diff. side to harry than hermione does sometimes [16:30] <Expelliarmas> no, Hermione pushed for that; Ron chimed in when he was sure Harry wouldn't lose his marbles and start yelling [16:30] * ravenmoonglow has joined #lounge [16:30] <Aislinn> the way he suggests that they play chess or quidditch or something, after an intense conversation - it is usually just what Harry needs at that point [16:30] <mollywobbles23> Ron balances out Hermione's pushiness. [16:30] <PrincessPickledOnion> i agree with cloudpic on the yes man thing too smile [16:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione supports Harry differently. How does she challenge Harry (and Ron)? In what other ways does she extend support? [16:31] <cloudpic> Sometimes Ron's laziness in classes and homework... affected Harry's own laziness [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> Ron reminds me of his father Arthur a lot [16:31] <mollywobbles23> If they both pushed him all the time, he wouldn't be friends with them. [16:31] <ltbrave23> ron isn't overtly pushy like hermione is [16:31] <ltbrave23> he is more of a nudger [16:31] <LilyFlower> Helping with Homework [16:31] <cloudpic> I loved Hermione's "hints" about doing better in school biggrin [16:31] <JaneMarple9> ron is very much like arthur yes [16:31] <Aislinn> I think that she sometimes acts as a reinforcer for his conscience [16:31] <mollywobbles23> Homework planners come to mind [16:31] <mollywobbles23> lol [16:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron and Hermione are the perfect counterpoints, IMO to get the best results out of Harry [16:31] <Love4Fawkes> hints, she buys them planners! [16:31] <LilyFlower> She makes him think things through [16:31] <JaneMarple9> perhaps the most like arthur out of all the boys [16:31] <ltbrave23> she tries to keep him from acting rashly [16:31] <cloudpic> That's interesting Mafalda, Jane, I hadn't thought of that [16:32] <ltbrave23> to think things through [16:32] <Spectre> Explanation of Cho's actions biggrin [16:32] <ltbrave23> like in ootp [16:32] <cloudpic> She nagged him about the tasks for Goblet [16:32] <Aislinn> she has helped him in invaluable ways, like preparing for the GoF tasks [16:32] <cloudpic> Oh, Spectre, she did help him there [16:32] <Love4Fawkes> Hermione is logical and often keeps them grounded and on task [16:32] * dillypoo has quit [Bye] [16:32] <Sophia40> That is why I think Harry can't do DH by hinself he needs them both [16:32] <LilyFlower> She trusts him [16:32] <Aislinn> yes, Love4Fawkes [16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Hermione more as Harry's concious. That voice that we dont want to listen to sometimes, but know that we have to laugh [16:32] <cloudpic> She pushes him to do his best [16:32] <JaneMarple9> oh he needs hermione and ron [16:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> she challenges their relationship as a whole - they're much more open and understanding with hermione than any other girl except ginny perhaps... she makes them think about the effects they each have on each other smile [16:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes SOoner i agree [16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Matilda suggests that Ron and Hermione "understand that argument can be a form of communication" and that they are comfortable with it. Do you agree? Why are they able to grasp this concept and Harry is not? [16:33] <cloudpic> They'd have failed some classes without her help early on [16:33] <LilyFlower> And Ron is the one we want to listen to [16:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> isnt that how JKR described her role? Hermione acts as his conscience and as jo's voice to help them out? [16:33] <mollywobbles23> Yes, I agree. [16:34] <futureweasley> I totally agree with that. They bicker and that's how they work things out [16:34] <Aislinn> yes, it is their mode of interaction, and they are obviously comfortable with it [16:34] <cloudpic> I love that idea!... "argument as communication" but it's true for them [16:34] <mollywobbles23> Ron is able to grasp it because of his parents and Hermione is because I think she sees their arguements as a mental challenge. [16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that all we have to do is look at Harry's childhood for the answer to some of that [16:34] <LilyFlower> Cap Lock Harry [16:34] <futureweasley> that is how they know each other...that is there own particular brand of intimacy [16:34] <cloudpic> Well, Ron couldn't help but be that way...all those brothers! [16:34] * aranel_parmadil has quit [Bye] [16:34] <Love4Fawkes> Harry isn't use to healthy arguements [16:34] <mollywobbles23> Harry can't see it because anytime, as a child, he argued with someone it was because they hated him. [16:34] <cloudpic> Yes, mollywobbles, Hermione likes logical argument [16:35] <Love4Fawkes> i agree molly [16:35] <cloudpic> Harry needed to "go along" to survive when he was small (at the Dursleys') [16:35] <Sophia40> I agree Sooner Harry has never had to work through before Hogwarts [16:35] <Aislinn> yes he did, cloudpic [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> he didnt have chance to argue with anyone! They were frightend off by dudder-kins sad [16:35] <Love4Fawkes> i think Harry has trouble understanding that hermione and ron can argue and still be friends [16:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron and Hermione love to argue and bicker. Becasue they both love it, they dont take it as seriously as Harry does. Harry needs someone who is more supportive of him. [16:35] <mollywobbles23> he argued with Diddykins [16:35] <LilyFlower> It think it is because Harry's natural not the fighting type he is force into it [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> i agree with cloudpic and aislinnbiggrin [16:35] <Aislinn> I think he does understand that, actually, he just gets tired of the arguments himself [16:36] <Expelliarmas> oh, don't encourage them, P2O [16:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree sooner [16:36] <cloudpic> Yes... it makes him uncomfortable [16:36] <Aislinn> lol, expie [16:36] <mollywobbles23> (and that's why H/Hr would never work!) [16:36] <Sophia40> Harry never had friends before Ron and Herminone [16:36] <Love4Fawkes> maybe by now aislinn, but at first i think it made him uncomfortable [16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, start arguing with Harry, and he will just shut down on you [16:36] <Aislinn> I'd agree with that, Love4Fawkes [16:36] <cloudpic> No, Sophia... you have to "practice" what it feels like to argue without loss [16:36] <LilyFlower> Caps lock Harry [16:37] <ltbrave23> i love capslock harry [16:37] <cloudpic> As Sophia said, he didn't have a chance until them [16:37] <Aislinn> me too [16:37] <LilyFlower> Me 3 [16:37] <PrincessPickledOnion> me 4:D [16:37] <SoonerGryffindor> really, about the only light-hearted argument we see with Harry and Hermione is when they were arguing about the Filch/Pince ship in HBP [16:37] <mollywobbles23> Ginny was able to shut Harry up in OOTP, though, and I think it was because what she said took him by surprise. [16:37] <JaneMarple9> caps lock harry is interesting [16:37] <JaneMarple9> but can be annoying! [16:37] <ltbrave23> i think he's funny [16:38] <LilyFlower> Really Funny [16:38] <JaneMarple9> his muggle side comes out when he's angry biggrin [16:38] <Aislinn> I totally understand and empathize with Harry's angst in that book [16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> When Hermione and Ron's bickering rises to a level of hostility, what effect does that have on Harry? [16:38] <mollywobbles23> He hates it. He wants them to stop. [16:38] <LilyFlower> It make him watn to b alone [16:38] <Expelliarmas> Harry has no idea what to do with himself [16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> My answer is that it totally stresses him out. [16:38] <Love4Fawkes> He feels stuck in the middle [16:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> he doesn't know who to support [16:38] <Aislinn> I think that gets very stressful for him [16:38] <JaneMarple9> he's the peace maker [16:38] <futureweasley> Caps Lock Harry is desperate for a level of understand that never befalls him. I don't necessarily think I view that as "funny" per se [16:38] <Aislinn> He ends up having to try to mediate [16:38] <ltbrave23> i think harry saw through it [16:38] <JaneMarple9> makes them become friends again [16:38] <cloudpic> It's like he doesn't know how to fix it... he feels threatened with a loss of one or the other [16:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I must go guys! [16:38] * MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [16:38] <mollywobbles23> Doesn't he begin to miss their bickering at some point in HBP? [16:38] <mollywobbles23> or am I imagining things? [16:39] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [16:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> many times he seeks solace elsewhere to stay away - like Hedwig or sirius etc. [16:39] <ltbrave23> no not funny futureweasley but he still makes me laugh [16:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry has real issues that he is trying to deal with and he sees their arguments as "fluff" sometimes and it irritates him [16:39] <Aislinn> and he needs them both, so that is a disturbing thought for him [16:39] <Expelliarmas> Harry forgets what he was like when he was mooning over the Hosepipe [16:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he missed the casua bickering Molly, but he surely did not miss their big fights [16:39] <Spectre> He feels very uncomfortable when they argue but feels even more uncomfortable when they come apart and don't talk to each other [16:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes cloudpic and aislinn - he dusnt want to loose them and he does need them both ; they make him who he is [16:39] * Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [16:39] <mollywobbles23> that's what I was saying [16:40] <mollywobbles23> bickering, not fighting [16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Harry's biggest fear in Ron and Hermione getting together would be what would happen if they broke up [16:40] <cloudpic> He just doesn't see the difference entirely [16:40] <Aislinn> exactly, SoonerGryffindor [16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a big fear for him [16:40] <Love4Fawkes> and it makes sense [16:40] <mollywobbles23> They were giving each other the silent treatment at the time and being underhanded (Hermione rubbing McLaggen in Ron's face and Ron rubbing Lavender in hers) [16:40] <Sophia40> Harry has had alot more internal battles than either Ron or Herminone have faced [16:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh - puts him in a compromised situation totalee agree sooner [16:40] <LilyFlower> What would that boggart look like? [16:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Occasionally, Ron and Hermione team up which forces Harry to reconsider his position on something. How did this work, for example, in the creation of the secret Defense against the Dark Arts classes aka "Dumbledore's Army"? [16:41] <Love4Fawkes> one of them walking away Lily [16:41] <mollywobbles23> exactly, Sooner. I think he thinks as much in HBP. [16:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> whose boggart lilyflower? lost sad [16:41] <Expelliarmas> Hermione, along with a straggling Ron, convinced Harry to teach DADA [16:41] <mollywobbles23> They agreed on something! It must be important! [16:41] <mollywobbles23> hehe [16:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that OotP was the book where Ron and Hermione really had to work as a unit to deal with Harry [16:41] <cloudpic> It startled him that they agreed, didn't it? [16:41] <LilyFlower> It made him do it [16:41] <Aislinn> The 2 of them do make Harry stop and think when they are united in something like this idea [16:41] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner [16:42] <cloudpic> I wonder if that kind of "double-teaming" will be seen again? [16:42] <Spectre> Yes, if Ron and Hermione actually agree on something, that should really ring a bell smile [16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that CAPSlock Harry brought them very close together because they had to have a united front against him [16:42] <mollywobbles23> Anytime they agree on something to do with Harry, it's a big deal: the DA, going with him on the hurcrux hunt... [16:42] <Sophia40> well herminone agreement with Ron through him i think [16:42] <LilyFlower> They united to help him [16:42] <cloudpic> It slows him down from making a dismissive decision with Dumbledore's Army [16:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> Where as normally they are at odds - the combined agreement of hermione and ron add the importance and seriousness of their proposition; harry finds strength in that like he finds warmth in their continued support at the end of book 6 [16:42] * HPFanForever has joined #lounge [16:42] <Aislinn> well said, PrincessPickledOnion [16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> and we saw them at the end of HBP teaming up on him again when he tried to go it alone. They will not let him face his task alone thank goodness [16:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks aislinnbiggrin and i agree with cloudpic makes harry more rational too [16:43] <Love4Fawkes> With both their support Harry feels more confidence [16:43] <LilyFlower> oh yea [16:43] * mollywobbles23 cannot wait to read DH [16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> What magical knowledge or resources are at Hogwarts which may draw the Trio back to Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows? Is there one you think is especially important? Why? [16:43] <LilyFlower> ME 2 [16:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh WELL said sooner dances on behalf of the trio [16:43] <cloudpic> That's a good point, Love4Fawkes... it does help his confidence [16:43] <HPFanForever> what exactly about the trio are we talking about [16:43] <LilyFlower> THE fonders [16:43] <ltbrave23> pensieve [16:43] <jammergrl91> here's at least on horcrux still there [16:43] <Love4Fawkes> the library [16:44] <cloudpic> The teachers and ghosts can surely help too [16:44] <ravenmoonglow> Read DH - Me too!! [16:44] <jammergrl91> i'll bet $20000 [16:44] <mollywobbles23> DD'S trinkets, the founders, the pensieve... [16:44] <cloudpic> Oh, yes! that Library! [16:44] <NYBookworm> RoR [16:44] <ltbrave23> hermione can't be away for too long love4fawkes [16:44] <Love4Fawkes> everything in DD office [16:44] <LilyFlower> Not so much the libaray because Hermione proable know it by heart now [16:44] <Aislinn> The library, the pensieve, the teachers [16:44] <Love4Fawkes> lol, your right ltbrave [16:44] <Aislinn> defending the school against invasion [16:44] <mollywobbles23> The little snake thing on the UK cover made me think DD's trinkets will be important. [16:44] <HPFanForever> what exactly about the trio are we talking about [16:44] <cloudpic> I hope he does ask some of the teachers... [16:44] <ltbrave23> i agree mollywobbles [16:44] <Sophia40> do you think History of Magic ! lolol [16:44] <mollywobbles23> What magical knowledge or resources are at Hogwarts which may draw the Trio back to Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows? Is there one you think is especially important? Why? [16:44] <HPFanForever> HELP ME [16:45] <Love4Fawkes> i think McGongall could be a good resource [16:45] <mollywobbles23> that's the question hpfan [16:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> Will the Hogwarts: A History be of any significance? I think it might be - there's been so much info from there - hermione is needed in that sense too [16:45] <JaneMarple9> yes princess [16:45] <SoonerGryffindor> HP fan, here is the latest question: What magical knowledge or resources are at Hogwarts which may draw the Trio back to Hogwarts in Deathly Hallows? Is there one you think is especially important? Why? [16:45] <ltbrave23> madame pomfrey may be a resource if things are bad enough [16:45] <cloudpic> And isn't Ravenclaw supposed to "have its day" somehow? Luna? Cho? They're at Hogwarts, likely. [16:45] <LilyFlower> I don't think he will watn to tell them though, because he promise DD [16:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks Jane - like ya name by the way :d [16:45] <HPFanForever> well... what about the trio are we talking about? [16:45] <JaneMarple9> luna for me cloud [16:45] <JaneMarple9> cho is useless smile [16:45] <Sophia40> Room of Requirement? [16:45] <ltbrave23> luna definitely luna, i also think neville [16:45] <cloudpic> The most important one... I used to think it was the pensieve... now I'm not sure [16:45] <LilyFlower> Luna Not Cho [16:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Hermione is going to want the library for sure [16:46] <LilyFlower> I love Luna [16:46] <HPFanForever> WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT??????!!!!! [16:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> wohoo go jane on that [16:46] <cloudpic> The "secondary trio" of Neville, Ginny and Luna [16:46] <Spectre> For some reason I think that Voldemort could have left something in the Room of Requirement [16:46] <mollywobbles23> SoonerG just reposted the question, hpfan [16:46] <Love4Fawkes> look above hpfan, the questions been reposted [16:46] <LilyFlower> Yea harry's back up friends [16:46] <Aislinn> HPFanForever: - several people have answered you - stop and read the board [16:46] <JaneMarple9> luna is great agreed - whats noit to like [16:47] <ltbrave23> i think the only things left in there cloudpic may pertain to snape.....i think DD has shown harry everything that he needed to see [16:47] <cloudpic> Her "honesty" is sometimes hard to take... but she has insight that might help Harry [16:47] <LilyFlower> Luna gives Harry an outsiders thoughts [16:47] <Sophia40> The tiara!!!!!! Sooner lololo [16:47] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:47] <HPFanForever> where was it reposted? [16:47] <PrincessPickledOnion> ooohhhhh that's a point? is DADA still cursed? [16:47] <Love4Fawkes> its in bright red above [16:47] <JaneMarple9> the tiara yeah [16:47] <Spectre> A good way to hide a Horcrux, by the way - in a room that can be only entered by Voldemort... [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Matilda contends that returning to Hogwarts will help the Trio from "drawing unwanted attention to themselves" and their plans. What are some of the sources of this "unwanted attention"? [16:47] <JaneMarple9> i love the tiara theory [16:47] * futureweasley spits on the tiara [16:47] * jammergrl91 has quit [Bye] [16:47] <futureweasley> lol [16:47] <Spectre> Death Eaters [16:47] <mollywobbles23> I think that the Durmstrang library holds more answers about Horcruxes than the Hogwarts library... [16:47] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [16:47] <HPFanForever> thank you [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [16:47] <ltbrave23> lol future [16:47] <LilyFlower> The students and techers [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> DE's [16:48] <cloudpic> I think they have to be verrrry careful about the Ministry of Magic and Scrimgeor [16:48] <JaneMarple9> thanks Future biggrin [16:48] <Aislinn> the unwanted attention from the DEs and LV himself [16:48] <LilyFlower> DA [16:48] <mollywobbles23> the Ministry [16:48] <ltbrave23> and the ministry [16:48] <Expelliarmas> have to go guys, see y'all on Wednesday [16:48] <cloudpic> And Umbridge... she's vile and out to get him [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> also the Daily Prophet (fishwrap) might be a source as well [16:48] <Sophia40> Will harry need the sword? [16:48] <Aislinn> being at the school will disguise Harry's hunt [16:48] <Aislinn> bye expie [16:48] * hplver has joined #lounge [16:48] * Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [16:48] <Love4Fawkes> i completely agree aislinn [16:48] <JaneMarple9> the sword may be useful yes [16:48] <ltbrave23> and the order, especially if harry has no intention of telling them what's going on [16:48] <cloudpic> Yes, it's seeming to continue on as usual [16:49] <LilyFlower> Will we see the sword on the cover so yea [16:49] <mollywobbles23> according to the UK cover, it might (if that's Gryffindor's sword) [16:49] <cloudpic> If he'd disappear from school...they'd start trying to track him [16:49] <Love4Fawkes> he can still use the orders and others to help without revealing the true quest [16:49] <JaneMarple9> yes molly i think its THE sword [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Are there any other benefits to returning to Hogwarts? [16:49] <cloudpic> Dumbledore hunted horcruxes secretly from Hogwarts [16:49] <mollywobbles23> I do too, but it's not definite. [16:49] <Sophia40> I think Hogwarts will be great base for Harry and the "gang" thsat will help him [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there is a horcrux there (but not the tiara) [16:49] <PrincessPickledOnion> true - according to the cover the order are the ones who get him from the dursely's smile [16:49] <mollywobbles23> food [16:49] <mollywobbles23> lol [16:49] <cloudpic> Safety in numbers at Hogwarts [16:49] <LilyFlower> Hopefull there will be spending there time looking for DEs [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Molly [16:49] <cloudpic> Warm beds. [16:50] <JaneMarple9> we'll see about that tiara Sooner smile [16:50] <Aislinn> the school is full of many resources and treasures [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> dumbledore is never trully gone from there? [16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> a relatively safe base of operations [16:50] <HPFanForever> i think that the forbidden forest might be important... I don't know why, though. It just seems like it might. [16:50] <LilyFlower> Info on the Fonders [16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> lots of allies there as well [16:50] <mollywobbles23> Maybe they can work something out with McGonnagall and classes [16:50] <Love4Fawkes> i think resources and not calling attention to themselves are enough reasons! [16:50] <Aislinn> yes, PrincessPickledOnion - that will come into play, I think [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> his spirit lives on - protection in that fact? [16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so as well Princess [16:50] <LilyFlower> The Ghosts [16:50] <Aislinn> and information about the Founders will be very important [16:50] <cloudpic> Maybe that's where the motorbike is hidden, HPFanF. [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks aislinn i like your point about resources too [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks sooner biggrin [16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid and Grawp are there as well [16:50] <cloudpic> The efforts at Unity will be important [16:51] <LilyFlower> THe Da [16:51] <Love4Fawkes> a very smart sorting hat also lives at hogwarts! [16:51] <cloudpic> "And a child will lead them" [16:51] <PrincessPickledOnion> True - the school is the epitome of unity [16:51] <mollywobbles23> maybe they'll finally learn something in History of Magic. It's kind of like how you never quite get to the interesting part in history class (the 60s) or if you do it's really fast. Maybe they'll finally get to the first war with Voldy. [16:51] <Sophia40> I think that the tiara is a big? we will see! Where the Goblin Armour? if DD had the sword? [16:51] <mollywobbles23> or Grinewald [16:51] <cloudpic> The Goblins and Gringots too from History [16:51] <ltbrave23> that's true love4fawkes [16:51] <PrincessPickledOnion> omg yeh the tiara!! goosebumps! [16:51] <mollywobbles23> or however you spell his name [16:52] <mollywobbles23> Grindwald! [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> . Matilda states that it "seems most likely that Ron, Hermione, and Harry will all survive, both physically and emotionally. What would the death of even one of them mean to the others? [16:52] <LilyFlower> Hufflepuff Cup! [16:52] <cloudpic> We know who you mean, mollywobbles [16:52] <mollywobbles23> I know, it was driving me knuts. [16:52] <Love4Fawkes> i can't even think about the death of any of them [16:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> Emotional, physically and moral defeat [16:52] * janieb has joined #lounge [16:52] <LilyFlower> I don't know [16:52] <cloudpic> It would be horrible for the other two if one died... any one. [16:52] <Love4Fawkes> that's probably how they feel [16:52] <mollywobbles23> Like the war was lost anyway [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that if any of the trio died, then evil would have triumphed [16:52] <Aislinn> It would be devastating, to them, and to US! [16:52] <LilyFlower> Harry might kill himself [16:52] <cloudpic> A pyricic victory? [16:53] <Aislinn> never [16:53] <Love4Fawkes> i think harry's proved stronger than that [16:53] <cloudpic> Too great a sacrifice [16:53] <Spectre> Probably what James' death, Peter's "death" and Sirius' "treason" meant to Lupin [16:53] <ltbrave23> grindelwald i think mollywobbles [16:53] * BrettMac has joined #lounge [16:53] <cloudpic> No, Harry's not a suicide sort. [16:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> if hermione died - it would kind of make all the stuff aout mudbloods true... erase jo's greater meaning [16:53] <mollywobbles23> Harry would never kill himself, not literally anyway. He might close himself off, though, for a while. [16:53] <ravenmoonglow> I hope Jo won't do that to us. She has said in an interview that DH is her fovorite book [16:53] <Love4Fawkes> time for food. great chat. thanks everyone. [16:53] * Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] [16:53] <Aislinn> yes, Spectre [16:54] <cloudpic> But the joy in life would be gone even though they'd have victory [16:54] <ltbrave23> i agree spectre, lupin and harry are very similar in that way [16:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> true very true [16:54] <SoonerGryffindor> What are some reasons why the Trio's survival is important to the "truth" or themes of the series? [16:54] * hplver has quit [Bye] [16:54] * BrettMac left #lounge [] [16:54] *** Knockturnal has joined #lounge [16:54] <HPFanForever> SoonerGryffindor, I know for sure that Ron and Hermione don't die. Jo confirmed that. So if anyone in the trio died, it would be Harry. [16:54] <Sophia40> OOooooh I hope this has a happy ending!!!! [16:54] <Aislinn> love overcomes hate [16:54] <LilyFlower> Well likePPO said Hermione being muggle born and all [16:54] <mollywobbles23> If they don't survive, then how powerful is this thing called love? [16:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> all the values, knowledge and attitude and prejudices seem to live through and around them - they're survival proves them all wrong and that people are stronger than beliefs [16:54] * cloudpic hopes JKR is here in this chat [16:55] *** Knockturnal has quit [Bye] [16:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Sadly we do not have confirmatin on Ron and Hermione, but I dont believe they will die [16:55] <ltbrave23> i just don't see harry dieing.....he is the boy who lived afterall. [16:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> princess hopes cloupic is right smile [16:55] <HPFanForever> what did you say cloudpic? [16:55] mollywobbles23 hopes she isn't because she can't spell Grindewald. [16:55] * Knockturnal has joined #lounge [16:55] <LilyFlower> YEA not the Boy who lived for a while then died [16:55] <mollywobbles23> lol, Lily [16:55] <cloudpic> I'd like to think that we are right that the Trio's survival is important to the essential themes of the series. [16:55] <ltbrave23> i agree with mollywobbles. love is the most powerful thing, but wasn't enough to save those harry was closest too [16:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lmao mollywobblesbiggrin [16:55] * kittie69 has joined #lounge [16:56] <ltbrave23> just add an L after the e mollywobbles and you got it [16:56] <Sophia40> Lilyflower that is so sad a statement [16:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> as the beatles once said... All you need is love.... .all you need is love, love, Love is all you need smile [16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> The Trio is represented together, in action, on the children's cover of the British edition of Deathly Hallows. So, what do you think: the Trio, do all survive, or no? [16:56] *** andmaria has joined #lounge [16:56] <Aislinn> I really hope so, cloudpic [16:56] <HPFanForever> how much longer? [16:56] <mollywobbles23> yes! [16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the last question guys [16:56] <mollywobbles23> All live! [16:56] <ltbrave23> yes all survive [16:57] <LilyFlower> HARRY WILL LIVE [16:57] <Aislinn> they will survive! [16:57] <Spectre> Dumbledore was present on the HBP cover and died [16:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> fingers crossed!!! [16:57] <Knockturnal> I would hope so, but I have a feeling that atleast one of them will die [16:57] <HPFanForever> i hope this doesn't happen, but I think that Harry will die [16:57] <LilyFlower> I want them too [16:57] * SoonerGryffindor agrees with molly and ltbrave and Aislinn and anybody else who says they all 3 live [16:57] <cloudpic> I desperately want all three to survive, but I fear we may be disappointed? [16:57] <ltbrave23> harry was also present, but he didn't die [16:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point spectre [16:57] <mollywobbles23> "At first I was afraid. I was petrified (ha!). ...." [16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Molly [16:57] <LilyFlower> Logical at least one should die [16:57] <Sophia40> On the US cover ther is only harry and LV does not bode well [16:57] <ltbrave23> buckbeak was on the cover of PoA but is still alive [16:57] * JaneMarple9 thinks the trio will live live live! [16:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> cloudpic - i feel the samesad [16:57] * futureweasley left #lounge [] [16:57] <ravenmoonglow> I agree with cloudpic [16:57] <JaneMarple9> but unfortunately one may die [16:57] <Knockturnal> hmm.. well if you look at it this way [16:58] <Knockturnal> in all of the american covers, the person who died was present on the covers [16:58] <LilyFlower> Thats the brain talking [16:58] <cloudpic> This season of sacrifice makes me fear for Harry [16:58] <ltbrave23> i dont like predicting who lives or dies according to the covers [16:58] <Knockturnal> cedric diggory [16:58] <HPFanForever> RON AND HERMIONE WILL NOT DIE!!!! JO SAID THAT ALREADY!!!! GOOGLE DEATHLY HALLOWS PLOTS AND IT IS ON WIKIPEDIA [16:58] <Knockturnal> sirius (on the back) [16:58] <LilyFlower> My Heart says they live [16:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> reallt!??! OMGG [16:58] <Knockturnal> and then dumbledore in HBP [16:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> yey! [16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> then wikipedia is wrong [16:58] <andmaria> ok I have a question I don't quite remember, who exactly killed Cederic? ws it LV? [16:58] <Aislinn> No caps - HPFanForever [16:58] <HPFanForever> why? [16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> becuase Jo has NOT said that [16:58] <Spectre> Wormtail did [16:58] <LilyFlower> Wikipediia yea that ... [16:59] <mollywobbles23> Then Voldy will die, Knockturnal, b/c Harry is on all the covers so we can't judge him dying by being on the cover. [16:59] <Knockturnal> wormtail [16:59] <Sophia40> Knockturn is that true! OMG pour LV cuase harry gonna live [16:59] <LilyFlower> Wromtail with LV want [16:59] <LilyFlower> wand [16:59] <HPFanForever> it said that at least 2 ppl will die and it won't be ron or hermione [16:59] <LilyFlower> My poor Cedric [16:59] <ltbrave23> i remember reading the interview, but it was an off hand comment, nothing concrete, no actual confirmation. she slipped out of the question like she always does.lol. [16:59] <mollywobbles23> Oh way more than 2 will die. [16:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Only direct quotes from Jo are considered canon. All of the rest is pure speculation [16:59] <HPFanForever> ok [16:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lol god bless jo [16:59] <Aislinn> quite true [16:59] <HPFanForever> sorry [16:59] <HPFanForever> i misread it then [17:00] <andmaria> thnx.. ok another... do you think DDs painting in the headmasters office will "come to life" like the others? [17:00] * ravenmoonglow has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Aislinn> it's been a great chat everyone - thanks for coming [17:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo is too smart to give something like that away [17:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> false hope is alright with me ath the mo lol [17:00] <HPFanForever> mollywobbles, it said AT LEAST 2 will die [17:00] <LilyFlower> HARRY EASTER [17:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks for inviting me Aislinn! biggrin i had fun do u do this every week? [17:00] <HPFanForever> nice [17:00] <mollywobbles23> I know, I was just saying [17:00] <mollywobbles23> bye everyone! [17:00] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys, its time to shut down the Booth, but we need to get the transcript done [17:00] <Aislinn> we do, PrincessPickledOnion - so come on back! [17:00] <Knockturnal> his painting will probably be animated, yes [17:00] <Knockturnal> but it's not the real person [17:00] <HPFanForever> ya do you do this every week? [17:00] <ltbrave23> bye everyone! [17:00] <LilyFlower> bye I had fun [17:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> i will! biggrin thanks guys and gals! biggrin [17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> thatnks everyone who came to chat with us [17:01] * ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [17:01] <Knockturnal> just an imprint of what their memory was [17:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> Bye!XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [17:01] <Aislinn> we have a chat on Wed nights at 7pm eastern too [17:01] * mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [17:01] * LilyFlower has quit [Bye] [17:01] * kittie69 has quit [Bye] [17:01] * JaneMarple9 begins to hand out chocolate [17:01] <HPFanForever> so it will be at the same time next sunday? [17:01] * kittie69 has joined #lounge [17:01] <andmaria> k [17:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> ok i'll come along! biggrin [17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, the schedule can be found in the Corner Booth forum [17:01] <andmaria> bye [17:01] <Aislinn> and saturday at 1pm [17:01] <Spectre> bye all, it's been nice being here smile [17:01] <JaneMarple9> ((((hugs all))))) [17:01] <HPFanForever> COOL! [17:01] <Sophia40> bye kisses to all [17:01] <HPFanForever> ok [17:01] <JaneMarple9> take care - back next saturday! [17:01] <Aislinn> bye Spectre [17:01] <Spectre> heh, it's 1 am, time to sleep biggrin [17:01] <Knockturnal> lol I was only here a few minutes [17:01] * JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [17:01] <HPFanForever> thank you guys for inviting me! [17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html [17:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> LOVE LOVE POTTER FANS - remember we're untied!!! biggrin [17:02] <Knockturnal> bye [17:02] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [17:02] <SoonerGryffindor> *and united laugh

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