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[13:59] <princessmela> hi guys [14:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Sooner! [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> hello [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry, I was having some issues there for a moment [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> This is going to be a great chat about horcruxes! Wootywoohoowahey! [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> !unmoderate [14:02] <Poet> Is that the W3 shout I hear? [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> Indeed it is, Poet. [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> something like that [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> How are you today, princess and Raven? [14:03] <TheRaven> Very well, thankyou [14:03] <princessmela> I'm very good [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> Looking forward to talking about Vessels of Evil: Horcruxes? [14:03] <Poet> Me too [14:04] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, tinker! [14:04] <princessmela> I am too! I didn't want to miss this chat! [14:04] <tinkertime> hi there - ! [14:05] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [14:05] <Spectre> hi all [14:05] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [14:05] <Poet> cheers [14:05] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:06] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [14:06] <Poet> having trouble tinkertime? [14:06] <tinkertime> yeah - loading very slowly [14:07] <Poet> It's another rainy day here. Perfect horcrux hunting weather. [14:07] <tinkertime> where are you located? [14:07] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [14:07] <Poet> Central United States [14:08] <Joyhawk2121> Hello everyone [14:08] <princessmela> we need rain here [14:08] <tinkertime> hullo [14:08] <Poet> hi [14:08] <princessmela> We are having a drought.. [14:08] <Spectre> it rained today in Moscow [14:08] <Poet> sorry to hear that [14:08] <tinkertime> I'm in SoCal & it's very hot & dry here too [14:09] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> We had rain this morning where I live. Probably more on the way. This is the 19th day of rain we've had. [14:09] <Poet> Hmm, I think I'm using fawkes28's pink. *switches to purple* [14:10] <Poet> wow [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, if fawkes shows up, she'll peck at you for using her colo, Poet. LOL [14:10] <Poet> I'm sure she would. [14:10] <tinkertime> ouch [14:10] * Poet puts on her phoenix arm guards [14:11] <princessmela> it won't let me switch the font color [14:11] <Poet> sorry to hear that [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> Really? Under the double-arrows at the lower right? [14:11] <Poet> I use the drop-down menu to the right of where I type [14:12] <princessmela> Oh! see I was trying to do it the hard way [14:12] <princessmela> lol [14:12] <tinkertime> i just figured it out yesterday - [14:13] <tinkertime> so don't feel bad :) [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the CB isn't always the most user-friendly screen. But hopefully Snuffles will behave himself today. [14:13] <princessmela> :) [14:13] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> Yesterday he decided to throw us all out halfway through the Reading Group chat. [14:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> But we got back in. :) [14:13] <princessmela> I missed the Reading Group yesterday [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> It was a good discussion. [14:14] <Theoriser> hi everyone [14:14] <tinkertime> the RG chats are great fun - I've just started & I'm hooked! [14:15] <princessmela> are the reading groups going to move to HBP after OOTP is done? [14:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [14:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to send you a private chat message. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the message that has been sent to you by that mod. [14:15] <Poet> You won't be able to reply to that message, but if you could just say something like "Poet, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [14:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> J.K. Rowling created the word “horcrux” for the evil magical device that allowed Tom Riddle to encase torn pieces of his soul (the result of murder) within an object. As part of his quest for immortality, he sought ways to prevent death; by having part of his soul earthbound, preserved in a horcrux, his soul would not leave the earth even if his body should be destroyed. [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> On a mission to create a seven-part division of soul, Lord Voldemort appeared in Godric’s Hollow one All Hallow’s Eve to murder Harry Potter and complete his collection of horcruxes. As we know, he was thwarted in the attempt, but his other horcruxes did the job and allowed him to survive as the meanest of spirits. [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> In Half-Blood Prince, Dumbledore reveals the nature of horcruxes to Harry, and outlines his theory of what Tom Riddle has been doing. Any way you slice it, horcruxes are going to feature prominently in the upcoming Deathly Hallows. [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo had quite a time coming up with the word “horcrux” (as detailed in her website diary). Do you have any thoughts on the etymology or origin of the word? [14:17] <Spectre> Probably Horus has something to do with this [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> what is that Spectre? [14:17] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [14:17] <Poet> At one time I'd looked up some of the French definitons [14:17] <Spectre> Horus is a Egyptian god [14:17] <Poet> true [14:18] <MafaldaWeasley> hello! good afternoon everybody [14:18] <Poet> Just started the discussion MafaldaWeasley [14:18] <MafaldaWeasley> ok, txs poet! [14:18] <tinkertime> isn't horus the guard of the underworld [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> It is a peculiar word. The word seems to be Latin in origin. Hor from hora, related to time, and crux, meaning cross or intersection. Basically a device that allows one to thwart time, i.e., mortality. [14:18] <princessmela> I thought that was Hades [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> princess, check the top of your screen I sent you a message [14:19] <Poet> Though Horus is connected with the myths about resurrection [14:19] *** mdbennett has joined #lounge [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> really? [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> that is quite interesting. I love learning this kind of stuff [14:20] *** mdbennett left #lounge [] [14:20] <MafaldaWeasley> MrM, I thought of that as well. I was very interested on the fact that Tom Riddle was able to preserve himself at the age he made the horcrux, and even more because the pieces of soul do no seem to age or to have any aknowledgment of their future [14:20] <Poet> yes, very curious indeed [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> interesting point, mafalda [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> . Where do you think Tom Riddle learned about horcruxes and the specifics of how to create them if the information was not available at Hogwarts? [14:20] <princessmela> got it Sooner, thanks! [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> np [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Grindewald? [14:21] <tinkertime> it's hinted that someone else did one Horcrux previously - could they have left a record [14:21] <Poet> Knockturn Alley is in London where Riddle grew up. There may have been people or books there where he got more info and pieced it together [14:21] <MafaldaWeasley> uhh... I think he had access to Slytherin memories or something hidden in the chamber...or maybe to grindelwald himself [14:21] <princessmela> It's possible the information was in books available in Bookstores [14:22] <Poet> I tend to agree MafaldaWeasley [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I bet there are books sold in Knockturn alley that mention them [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> although I still think its pretty obscure knowledge [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the information may not have been in the library, but perhaps there's a "private" collection of spellbooks in the Slytherin common room. [14:22] <MafaldaWeasley> But how would be buy it before he was woking at B&B? wasn't he poor? and something that illegal should have been expensive [14:22] <tinkertime> Tom had to have learned it early enough to create his teenaged one [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> it very may well be something in only 1-2 really serious dark magic books that get handed down from dark lord to dark lord throughout the generations [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> Who knows what other creepy things may have been in the Chamber of Secrets. [14:23] <princessmela> He still didn't learn much about it [14:23] <MafaldaWeasley> exactly, so I think he got it from Slytherin or Grindelwald...somebody tipped him off about those things [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah. This makes me think there isn't a "horcrux for dummies" book lying about somewhere [14:24] <princessmela> lol [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps old Sal kept his private library in the Chamber. [14:24] <Poet> He never pressed Slughorn about where to find the spell, so I'm betting he knew sources of where to start looking [14:24] <tinkertime> I agree Mafalda - Grindelwald seems to have been his role model [14:24] <princessmela> the question I have is how Slughorn knew [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, he really seemed to want to know how many, not how. [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Riddle thinks a seven-part soul will be even more powerful, more invincible. Do you think there’s something to that, or is Tom just being seduced by arithmancy? [14:24] <Spectre> Hm... are Horcruxes *that* ancient invention? [14:24] <Poet> Salazar or someone else could have written the spell in the margins of an old dark arts spell book ;) [14:24] *** cow has joined #lounge [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> hello cow [14:25] <tinkertime> do you think he had already created one when he spke to Slughorn? [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Tom was probably on to something. [14:25] <princessmela> I think Tom is just full or himself [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:25] <Poet> No, I do think there is something to that. In fact, if he'd accidentally made more than a 7 part soul, I think it would make him weaker. I think he'd be remiss to keep makin horcruxes just because old ones were destroyed [14:25] *** cow has quit [Bye] [14:25] <Theoriser> he thinks he's more powerful, but he has a different idea of what power is - escaping death [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> 7 has always been a powerful number in many different cultures and religions. [14:26] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the 6th bit must be the most powerful one. I think that as TR grew, also his soul learned and conserved part of his knowledge. Seven must be more powerful indeed [14:26] <tinkertime> a bit of both - seven is making more obstacles to being killed - but the number itself may not matter - i.e. would 9 be even better (or worse) [14:26] <Spectre> Maybe, if to pursue the arithmantic route, it's impossible to remain human if one splits soul more than 7 times? [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> It's a mistaken quest. He doesn't realize the damage he's doing to his own soul. [14:26] <Spectre> *that was my first ever topic at Leaky* :D [14:26] <Poet> I'm wondered that as well Spectre [14:26] <Poet> *I'd [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I just wish we knew more about how arithmacy works in the world that Jo invented [14:27] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:27] <tinkertime> Spectre - that's true - he doesn't look very human now... [14:27] <princessmela> I think that arithmacy will play a bigger part in book 7 [14:27] <princessmela> I mean there has to be a reason why she has Hermione taking it [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps Hermione will be of some help on the question. [14:27] <tinkertime> Arithmacy & Ancient Runes... [14:27] <MafaldaWeasley> well Spectre, it makes sense really, since Voldemort looks like a snake. I think he is making his soul 'pure' by keeping the real Slytherin essence on it. He has taken out all the muggle thing, I presume [14:28] <Spectre> The soul seems to be splitting in half each time a Horcrux is created [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> We’ve seen the physical effects creating horcruxes has on Tom Riddle as he progressively becomes more gaunt and inhuman looking. Why do you think this is? [14:28] <tinkertime> making a copy of a copy, degrading with each horcrux [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> I think the outer body reflects the inner nature of the soul. [14:28] <fawkes28> to show just how horrible it is to kill someone - that it really does affect your soul [14:28] <princessmela> well part of what makes you less lifeless, makes you human is the fact that you have a soul [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is an excellent metaphor for.... what Mr M just said [14:29] <Theoriser> yes, maybe his true nature is showing through more clearly [14:29] <tinkertime> from LoTR - "butter spread too thin on toast" [14:29] <MafaldaWeasley> he is becoming he's pure evil essence. I think it reflects a choice he made [14:29] <fawkes28> that's a nice way to put it, malfada [14:29] <Poet> He looked like his father, but in splitting his soul he's almost removing what makes him human - his genetic heritage. He'd also done other spells and testing on himself [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it was his other experiments in immortality that did this to him... I think it's the diminishment of his soul. [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> so many times people hide their evile-ness behind good looks. Here we see where it has eaten at him so badly that he is losing his humanity [14:30] <Poet> I agree, though I do wonder if the slitted eyes came from some experiment [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> Reminds me of what supermodels do to themselves. [14:30] <Spectre> At least Voldemort doesn't HIDE that he's evil - he's sincere, in a way [14:30] <fawkes28> usually you should not judge a book by its cover but here Jo wanted us to see Tom Riddle for who he really is [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> What is most interesting is that he starts to look like a snake. I mean.... why a snake? [14:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he would have others doing it for him, the experiments. I believe that form is his true essence [14:31] <princessmela> He loves Snakes [14:31] <tinkertime> and drinking the nagini milk... [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I like the supermodel comparison Mr M [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> He's so intent on being immortal that nothing else matters. [14:31] <Poet> I like that thought fawkes28. Tom was no longer able to draw others too him just based on his handsome good looks. Being handsome certainly didn't save his muggle father. [14:31] <MafaldaWeasley> Slytherin essence. he's purifying his soul.. taking out all the muggle thing and becoming the essence of all he had valuede in life [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> His good looks were the only thing his mother wanted him to have, more's the pity. [14:32] <tinkertime> true MrMcG - he doen't care what form he is in as long as he's immortal [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think the way Lord Voldemort looks now is the way he appeared at the time of his downfall? [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> I wondered about this. [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I also wonder what he used to look like [14:32] <princessmela> I think he came back different in many ways [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, does having Harry's blood and Wormtail's hand affect his physcial appearance? [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> I would say substantially the same, but maybe that creepy Babymort form he had influenced the outcome of the potion to an extent. [14:33] <Poet> I think so. Supposedly he got his old body back. I think the point of the spell/potion was to do so. [14:33] <tinkertime> no- I think he was less snake-like - he's done some weird things since then - drinking unicorn blood, nagini milk etc...not exactly a wholesome diet :) [14:33] <Spectre> Did the DEs actually recognize his physical form at the graveyard? [14:33] <MafaldaWeasley> mmm, interesting. I think he was different. His body was different. He had his body built again, in a way he wanted... [14:33] *** TheRaven has quit [Bye] [14:33] <princessmela> I felt they only recognized him by his actions and voice [14:33] <princessmela> although, it's definitely not said directly [14:34] <tinkertime> yes - his voice was probably more similar [14:34] <Poet> though the Minister of Magic did recognize him at the end of book 5 [14:34] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they recognized his presence. Magic leaves traces...especially evil one [14:34] <princessmela> well... [14:34] <Spectre> his wand [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Poet [14:34] <Poet> without getting close to him [14:34] <fawkes28> I think his appearance has gotten worse - because he drank the unicorn blood [14:34] *** TheRaven has joined #lounge [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> weird that he would be able to re-create a body made out of stuff that was not his original DNA and look the same [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Presumably, he also created another horcrux while he was Babymort. [14:34] <princessmela> I'm not sure anyone would go around bragging that they are indeed Voldemort and to have gall to murder inside the ministry [14:35] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh good fawkes, I had forgotten about it [14:35] <princessmela> I would assume that if it was not Voldemort...well let's just say he was hoping that it was him [14:35] *** delafayette has joined #lounge [14:35] <princessmela> and not some Voldemort wanabee..which it certainly could have been [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> the science geek in me says that this transformation to him looking the same should be impossible [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> He seems to have gotten progressively worse by degrees. [14:35] <fawkes28> every time he kills, he adds a little bit more evilness to his appearance [14:35] <Poet> Of course, it was Quirrel who drank unicorn's blood. He didn't take the form of babyMort, until he had Wormtail's help after Book 3. [14:36] <princessmela> babyMort [14:36] <princessmela> lol [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Dumbledore outlined the six artifacts he thought Voldemort had used to make horcruxes: the diary, the locket, the ring, the cup, the snake, and something else that had belonged either to Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. Do you think Nagini was made a horcrux in order to make up for the failed attempt on Harry? [14:36] <delafayette> hello [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> hey delafayette [14:36] <princessmela> hey delafayette [14:36] <MafaldaWeasley> hey delafayette [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> I do think DD's right about this one. [14:36] <fawkes28> I do not think that Nagini is a Horcrux [14:36] <Spectre> Is Nagini really a Horcrux, in the first place? :) [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Yes, I think Nagini is a horcux [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> fawkes and I disagree. What a shocker! LOL [14:36] <princessmela> I'm not sure he failed on Harry.. [14:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think Nagini is a horcrux [14:37] <fawkes28> :eyebrow: [14:37] <Poet> I do think Nagini is a horcrux. In fact, Nagini reminds me of the runespoor from the Fantastic Beast book - when Harry, Voldemort, and the snake seemed to be sharing a space in Book 5 [14:37] <delafayette> Its weird I am watching PoA and when they get to the fat lady and she is trying to break the glass there is a pic of LV in the lower right of the screen [14:37] <princessmela> I think that at least one of Dumbledore's assumptions has to be wrong [14:37] <tinkertime> I think nagini is a horcrux - because at this point Voldemort was desparate [14:37] <fawkes28> because if Nagini is a Horcrux then that means that he will not be able to have one item from each of the Founders - having one item from each Founder would make him even more powerful in his opinion [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> looks like as a group in here we are split pretty evenly [14:38] <Theoriser> I'm not sure whether nagini is a horcrux or not, I can't decide [14:38] <delafayette> I vote no on the snake [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Nagini was a replacement for the diarycrux, IMO [14:38] <fawkes28> We still need an item from Gryffindor and one from Ravenclaw - and the snake is neither [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think LV at least thought he failed with Harry and wanted to make another horcrux before trying to kill him again at the end of GoF [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> neither was the diary fawkes [14:38] <princessmela> Well maybe he used an item that was not from the founder but the idea of the item was created by a founder [14:38] <Spectre> Diarycrux can't be replaced [14:38] <fawkes28> but it is a living thing - it can die [14:38] <tinkertime> but he wanted 7 and he had just failed with harry - when he got the chance he wanted to make the seventh one ASAP [14:38] <fawkes28> he would not have risked it [14:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think he would make her a horcrux and after that posses her in a way Harry could sense him on her. It seems illogical to me [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> But LV didn't know the diary was destroyed until after his rebirth. [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> why not? He already knows that he cant have a 7 part soul because the diary was destroyed [14:38] <tinkertime> nagini was there and had helped save him, so in voldy-mind "why not?" [14:39] <fawkes28> he would not get desperate and make the snake the horcrux he put too much time into thinking through his plan [14:39] <delafayette> I like the idea that the scar is one and when harry removes it he looses his powers but lives [14:39] <Poet> True, unless Harry is an accidental horcrux and is the stand-in for the Gryffindor item. A three-headed "snake" might be a good representation of the "spades" from the suits if you follow that line of reasoning with the 4 founders items [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> LV doesnt care about his horcruxes, this DD says [14:39] <fawkes28> because he wouldnt want one of his horcruxes to eventually die out [14:39] *** LJ has joined #lounge [14:39] <Poet> "clubs" I meant [14:39] <fawkes28> yay, LJ! [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> he could always make another fawkes [14:39] <MafaldaWeasley> the diary was made to show up and tell the world who LV was. It was planned but lucius made it faster than he thouhgt [14:39] <LJ> hey [14:39] <Spectre> well... he still *could* have a 7-part soul - though 2 times smaller than he initially intended [14:39] <fawkes28> but sooner - then there wouldn't be 7 [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> there still isnt [14:39] <fawkes28> which he thinks is the most powerful magical number [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> there never can be [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> because the diary was destroyed [14:40] <delafayette> the 7th is in LV [14:40] <fawkes28> right [14:40] <Spectre> but we don't know whether it's possible to make the 8th split and still remain human [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he made Nagini the crux AFTER he realized the diary was toast [14:40] <fawkes28> but if he added another one then there would have been 8 total [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> interesting, Sooner. [14:40] <princessmela> I don't know I still think that one of the horcruxes has to be service award in the trophy room [14:40] <princessmela> when did he realize the diary was toast though? [14:40] <fawkes28> no, he wouldnt have done that - he wanted 7 [14:41] <MrMcGonagall> Sometime during OotP, I presume. [14:41] <delafayette> I don't think he made the Horcrux till he left school [14:41] <LJ> I don't think Nagini is a Horcrux - I think that's the only one DD got wrong :p [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that LV wants Harry's death to make his 6th horcrux. After realizing he was one short, he made Nagini one and is still holding out to make Harry one [14:41] <MafaldaWeasley> I ddo believe there's someting hidding at Hogwarts princess, but I don't know what can it be [14:41] <fawkes28> see, LJ, is right [14:41] <tinkertime> he may not know immediately when one is destroyed [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Voldemort’s quest for a seven-part soul seems to be hopeless. He isn’t even aware that the ring was destroyed. Do you think this weakens him in any way? [14:41] <MrMcGonagall> I think he found out about the diary by legilmensing Lucius. [14:41] <fawkes28> what? making Harry one is even more ridiculous than Nagini [14:42] <delafayette> did he murder anyone while he was in school? [14:42] <princessmela> It doesn't matter if he started making horcruxes after he left the school or not..he came back to the school after he graduated [14:42] <Spectre> Myrtle [14:42] *** Fabulous_Prewett has joined #lounge [14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Using Harry's death.... not using Harry [14:42] <princessmela> well Nagini murdered Myrtle [14:42] <princessmela> he just told Nagini to do it [14:42] <delafayette> Myrtle was an accident [14:42] <MafaldaWeasley> No, the basilisc did [14:42] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really think the 7-part thing is all that important except in his own mind. But he obsesses over it, which is a weakness of sorts. [14:42] <Spectre> Basilisk murdered Myrtle, that is :D [14:42] <fawkes28> He is not going to realize that they are all destroyed until the very end [14:42] <princessmela> Or the Basilik rather [14:42] <fawkes28> and then it will be too late [14:42] <tinkertime> yes - he is counting on them being available. his plan has started unravelling, but he doesn't know the extent [14:42] <delafayette> she heard it and came out to see what it was [14:43] <delafayette> then died [14:43] <fawkes28> he never imagined that anyone would be able to find them all or even know about them all [14:43] <Poet> Yes and no. I think the overall number is important to him, not the current number of horcruxes, though I do think he'd get desperate and make more and abandon the number thing if he got low on them [14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think LV will have the same strength no matter how many horcruxes he has left. He will only be weakened when the last one is gone and his mortal body is destroyed [14:43] <delafayette> not like LV was waiting to kill her [14:43] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the seventh part is so strong magically as LV is. His mind will be something powerfull as well. [14:43] <Fabulous_Prewett> I wonder what his last words will be [14:43] <Spectre> "Avada Keda..." [14:43] <tinkertime> but if he thinks he has more - he'll take more chances [14:43] <princessmela> I'm sorry [14:44] <princessmela> I would like that to be his last words [14:44] <delafayette> can he tell if one is destroyed? [14:44] <MafaldaWeasley> they will become stronger and purer in evil essence [14:44] <tinkertime> then when harry finally kills him - he will realize he has no horcruxes - YEA [14:44] <Fabulous_Prewett> I think DD established that he can't [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> It doesn't seem like he can tell when one is gone. [14:44] <Fabulous_Prewett> that he's far enough removed from them [14:44] <princessmela> there are to many of them I guess [14:44] <MafaldaWeasley> the parts have been separated for a long time, so DD thought he couldn't be he was not sure about it [14:45] <Theoriser> yeah, if he split the part of the soul away then he probably can't tell when one's gone because he doesn't have a connection to it anymore [14:45] <delafayette> so besides the 7th part in LV himself what are the other one we know of again? [14:45] *** oomamalook has joined #lounge [14:45] <LJ> Is soul is so messed up that he can't even tell when a part of it is destroyed! [14:45] <LJ> how sad [14:45] <delafayette> sorry I was late into the chat [14:45] <Poet> Yes, very [14:45] <fawkes28> very sad [14:45] *** GranjoGranger has joined #lounge [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> When do you think Lord Voldemort will realize that Harry “knows” and is trying to destroy all the horcruxes? Could this lead to the final confrontation? [14:45] <MafaldaWeasley> well, if Nagini is one horcrux, and if he could use the piece of soul in her to attack arthur, then we know he can feel it if it's recent.. but again, I think NAgini is not a horcrux [14:45] <Fabulous_Prewett> with his love of trophies the one's from the founders [14:45] <GranjoGranger> Hi everyone [14:46] <delafayette> I think they are all items of power [14:46] <MafaldaWeasley> hey Granjo [14:46] <delafayette> besides the diary [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> I think toward the end LV will figure it out, and I can see it leading to the final battle. [14:46] <delafayette> I think that was his first try to see if he could do it [14:46] <fawkes28> hey GranjoGranger [14:46] <Poet> I think so Sooner, in fact Harry seems to be flaunting it on the US cover art [14:46] <MafaldaWeasley> some bird will tell him*coughgitcough* [14:46] <LJ> Hi GranjoGranger [14:46] <tinkertime> i think he will realize during the final confrontation - tat it's the locket harry is wearing on the US cover - voldy sees it & knows he's done [14:46] <fawkes28> at the moment he is about to destroy him [14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it will be at the very end. [14:46] <GranjoGranger> Dtary symbol of early power. [14:47] <fawkes28> he cannot know before otherwise he will take more precautions [14:47] <Poet> I agree that he won't know until the very end [14:47] <fawkes28> I believe it will be during Voldemort's monologue and Harry will tell him [14:47] <tinkertime> true fawkes - and harry's already got his work cut out for him [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it would make things impossibly difficult for Harry if LV figures it out too soon. [14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly [14:47] <Fabulous_Prewett> what precautions fawkes? [14:47] <LJ> Do you think Lucious told him about the Diary, though? [14:47] <Poet> But I do think that Harry might use that knowledge to draw Voldemort out - or at least the knowledge that Harry has ONE of the horcruxes [14:47] <Spectre> did Snape have time to legilimens Harry before his escape? :D [14:47] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he knows but he trust Harry cannot pass the barries he had made. He trust his knowledge too much [14:47] <delafayette> I think Harry will be caught destroying one by LV thats how LV will find out [14:47] <Fabulous_Prewett> I do [14:47] <fawkes28> or Harry will destroy the 6th Horcrux in front of his face and then defeat him [14:48] <princessmela> I doubt Lucius told him about the diary [14:48] <fawkes28> either to make more if he realizes they are all destroyed or to find another means to stay alive [14:48] <MrMcGonagall> I'm inclined to that view, fawkes. [14:48] <princessmela> Lucius is already in enough trouble with Voldemort [14:48] <Poet> Lucius was punished for the diary. So Voldemort does know it is gone. [14:48] <fawkes28> he will do whatever it takes to stay alive so he cannot know until the end [14:48] <tinkertime> i think he asked Lucius for the diary - & lucius could not produce it [14:48] <princessmela> when was he punished? [14:48] <Fabulous_Prewett> thanks [14:48] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he knew what happened without Lucius telling him [14:48] <GranjoGranger> Does not mean destroyed [14:49] <delafayette> does LV have enough soul to make replacement Horcrux? [14:49] <delafayette> or is 7 the limit? [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> One theory about the missing horcruxes is that they correspond to the four tarot suits (cup, sword, pentacle/disk, wand/rod). The first two are obvious, the pentacle could well be the locket, and the wand could be the missing Gryffindor/Ravenclaw item. What do you think of this theory? [14:49] <princessmela> do you run out of soul? [14:49] <oomamalook> I don't think there will be more horcruxes.... [14:49] <GranjoGranger> Can't make one now. [14:49] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [14:49] <LJ> LV prob just assumes Harry doesn't know what the Diary was - and he didn't until HBP. [14:49] <oomamalook> seven books, seven horcruxes - seems to be a pattern [14:49] <fawkes28> hey jrg1990! [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> princess, I do not think one can ever run out of soul. I also see it as something that is always there [14:49] <Jrg1990> hey fawkes28! [14:50] <fawkes28> i definitely think that the wand if ravenclaw's from Ollivander's window [14:50] <Poet> I agree with that theory [14:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Sooner [14:50] <tinkertime> agree [14:50] <princessmela> I agree Sooner it was just the thought that of course he could continue to make horcruxes [14:50] <tinkertime> is that why ollivander left [14:50] <delafayette> what makes us think its that wand? [14:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I think if the wand is that one, then Ollivander went to hide it, or Neville has it now [14:50] <princessmela> I doubt there is a limit to how many you can make [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he could always make more [14:50] <GranjoGranger> Can always half something [14:50] <Poet> The wand would be "spades" or the air element [14:50] <Jrg1990> i agree sooner, BUT, i think that splitting the soul halfs, and quarters, and 8ths, etc the soul. That would explain why Voldie is so unhuman. [14:50] <LJ> I agree about the wand fawkes28 ! [14:50] <oomamalook> just don't think Jo would have him make more.... [14:51] * fawkes28 stays quiet so sooner doesn't whack her [14:51] <Theoriser> has Jo used anything to do with tarot before in the books? [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:51] <delafayette> didn't slug say 7 was the limit? [14:51] <tinkertime> the four houses are based on elements and the wands are the tarot deck piece that is missing [14:51] <Poet> I love the description of Harry's neck prickling when he saw the wand on the purple pillow in Ollivanders window [14:51] <delafayette> or no one had done more than 7? [14:51] <Theoriser> I don't know if she knows anything about that sort of thing, or if it might just be a coincidence [14:51] <MrMcGonagall> Not the limit, just shocked that anyone would suggest more than one. [14:51] <Fabulous_Prewett> no but that 7 was a powerful number [14:51] <princessmela> I still think Ollivander left on his own accord [14:52] <Fabulous_Prewett> and yes the shock [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont see the soul splits as going that way. I see it as you always have your soul. Splitting it is a theoretical term, not a literal one [14:52] <fawkes28> these four items are used in Arthurian Legend, which Jo does base some of her writings off of [14:52] <Jrg1990> Theoriser: Trelawney used Tarot in the last boook, to get the "lightning struck tower" over and over. [14:52] <Poet> I enjoyed how the author pointed out that Ollivander's family has owned a wand-making business since before the time of the founders [14:52] <fawkes28> that is a good point, Jrg1990 [14:52] <Theoriser> oh yeah, I forgot about that! [14:52] <tinkertime> true Jrg1990 [14:52] <Jrg1990> *thinks trelawneys predictions are ALWAYS right* but thats another argument for another day lol [14:53] <oomamalook> I am very sure Jo researches a lot of that stuff - you can tell by the names she uses for some of her magical things, potions, spells, etc. [14:53] <MafaldaWeasley> if it was Ravenclaw object, DD would have known. That wand was too known to be Ravenclaw's object... [14:53] <delafayette> I yhink its literal and you store the portion in the object [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> There’s much speculation about the wand in Ollivander’s shop window. Do you think it was perhaps Rowena Ravenclaw’s, and could it have anything to do with Ollivander’s mysterious disappearance in Half-Blood Prince? [14:53] <princessmela> I think so to JRG I think she's as gifted a seerer as Cassandra [14:53] <fawkes28> yes!!! [14:53] <Poet> yesyesyes [14:53] <tinkertime> yep [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely [14:53] <princessmela> Yes definitely [14:53] <fawkes28> but i think he left on his own accord as there wasnt a struggle [14:53] <Jrg1990> nope [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> ask Mr M how I feel about the tiara theory [14:54] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that wand was sold to Neville and I don't think it's a Ravenclaw item [14:54] <tinkertime> agree w/ fawkes28 [14:54] <Poet> purple is a sign of "royalty" - it screams "Hallows" to me [14:54] <fawkes28> no tiara [14:54] <princessmela> He is probably being hidden by the Order [14:54] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think Ollivander's disappearance is linked to Harry and LV's wands. [14:54] <Jrg1990> i think the ravenclaw item is the tiara in the hiding RoR [14:54] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree MrM [14:54] * Jrg1990 agrees with MrM [14:54] <fawkes28> that was definitely ravenclaw's wand, probably because I believe that Ollivaner is ravenclaw's heir [14:54] <tinkertime> harry will need to find Ollivander - and maybe ollivander can help destroyit - he made it in the first place [14:54] * MrMcGonagall agrees with Jrg1990 [14:54] * SoonerGryffindor thinks the punch bowl is a great horcrux disposal unit [14:54] <Poet> Jrg1990, I think its possible that both items belonged to Ravenclaw, and that Harry will find both before finding which is the horcrux [14:55] <delafayette> I am leaming towards the Tiara [14:55] <Spectre> but if it's not a Horcrux yet, why would Voldemort need it? [14:55] <oomamalook> ok remind me about the tiara, please.... [14:55] <princessmela> Well I don't think Ollivander will be hard to find I think he is probably sitting in Grimmauld Place [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> That's interesting, Poet. [14:55] <MafaldaWeasley> but if he was, DD would have known. I think Ravenclaw heritage was lost in time. [14:55] <delafayette> it waould be an item of power [14:55] <tinkertime> DD didn't know about the cup, until he got the memory... [14:55] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [14:55] <Spectre> and if it IS already a Horcrux, how did Ollivander acquire it? [14:55] <fawkes28> well, Harry never asked DD - he never asked him a lot of questions he should have [14:56] <tinkertime> I think it's possible he didn't know about the wand [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> If Ollivander knew the wand was Ravenclaw's, how is it that Dumbledore wouldn't have known and investigated it as a possible horcrux? [14:56] <oomamalook> maybe he'll be able to ask him in his portrait [14:56] <delafayette> all the items LV is looking for are items of power except the diary [14:56] <Poet> Ollivander has those mysterious eyes, and he was brought up again in Book 6. I feel there is something important going on that purple-cushioned wand, perhaps he is a descendant [14:56] <fawkes28> Voldemort used to work by Diagon Alley - i am sure he charmed him and figured out a way to make it into one [14:56] <Sophia40> Hi all!!!! [14:56] <princessmela> Maybe Ollivander never told him [14:56] <fawkes28> we dont know if it was always in the window too [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> isn't it weird that Neville got a wand and Ollivander disappeared?...if that wand has anything to do with the plot, it has to do with Neville. Excatly MrM!!! [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Sophia [14:56] <Spectre> hi Sophia [14:56] <fawkes28> it was just there when Harry bought his wand [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> There’s also the notion that the missing horcrux locations correspond to the four natural elements of the houses. The locket was within a cave by the sea, surrounded by a lake and immersed in a green potion. If the Hufflepuff element is earth, where might Helga’s Cup be hidden? [14:57] <Sophia40> Lookin for a color! [14:57] <Poet> Gringotts or in a lower level of Hogwarts [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> GRINGOTT's [14:57] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, still I find hard to believe he would have been the heir of Ravenclaw without DD noticing it [14:57] <tinkertime> gingotts [14:57] <delafayette> burried [14:57] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [14:57] <oomamalook> in the cemetery - they said it would come into play in book 7 [14:57] <princessmela> Hmmm [14:57] <MrMcGonagall> My favorite theory on this one is the Hogwarts' kitchens. [14:57] <ph63915> evening all [14:57] <princessmela> I still say the trophy room [14:57] <tinkertime> guarded by dragons - I think Bill will help get it [14:57] <delafayette> ya maybein a grave [14:57] <Poet> Voldemort went to Hogwarts for an "interview" but he could have taken a horcrux with him and planted it in the Chamber or elsewhere while he was there [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> that cup is so compltely in Gringott;s. Of course, Mr M's theory is more fun! [14:57] <princessmela> their has to be a reason why she keeps mentioning the room [14:57] <fawkes28> sooner is very excited about this theory and typed in all caps [14:58] <Poet> Oh, behind the fireplace in the kitchen MrMcGonagall ? [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:58] <Sophia40> I Like Gringotts as all the vaults are underground [14:58] <tinkertime> and :( perhaps this is where Hagrid kicks the bucket [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Cup is concealed in one of the fireplaces. [14:58] <delafayette> the 2 way cabinet is what LV used if he hide ione at the school [14:58] <Jrg1990> One of them is in Gringotts, and i get the feeling it has to be hufflepuff i think. [14:58] <fawkes28> yes, gringotts makes the most sense [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> We just have to get Winky to move her drunk butt from in front of the fireplace so Harry can take a look. [14:58] <fawkes28> if i owned the cup, i'd put it in a vault too [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [14:58] <MafaldaWeasley> I think there was one more horcrux at the cave with one of the Inferi, [14:58] <oomamalook> isn't there still something undiscovered in Sirius' old house - the china hutch or something like that? [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> *dies* [14:58] <Poet> I agree that one is at Gringotts, and that the horcrux that fits that best is the earth item [14:59] <tinkertime> like that on MrMcG [14:59] <Jrg1990> maybe theyll try and do the "run your finger along" without a goblin, and thats why theyre being pulled into something on the cover. [14:59] <delafayette> no one horcrux at one location I feel [14:59] <princessmela> There was a strange locket in Sirius' old house [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I am really attached to my Gringott's theory, but I must admit that drunk Winky blocking it is a great idea as well [14:59] <delafayette> I still feel they are falling into a room [14:59] <oomamalook> yeah, I am rereading book 5 right now b/c I have forgotten a lot of small details [14:59] <MafaldaWeasley> haha Sooner [15:00] * fawkes28 wonders where the cat herder is [15:00] <Spectre> it's somewhere in Sprout's greenhouses, disguised as one of Mandragora pots :D [15:00] <princessmela> LOL [15:00] <Poet> Yep, heavy locket that couldn't be opened = Slytherin horcrux locket of doom :) |
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[15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Regarding the places where horcruxes are hidden, do you think Harry knows enough already to discover the places where they are?
[15:00] <Jrg1990> yeah princess. there was a "old locket which noone could open", which many think is the slytherin locket, as returned by Regulus RAB Black. [15:00] <MrMcGonagall> I do. [15:00] <Sophia40> I am reading HBP to refresh for DH [15:00] <delafayette> No [15:00] <tinkertime> yes [15:00] <fawkes28> yes, he has all the information he needs [15:00] <oomamalook> sooner - I think he has the knowledge - just not sure he has figured out how to use it yet [15:00] <Jrg1990> Yes/No. I think he will find one, but need help on the other. [15:00] <delafayette> from where? [15:00] <princessmela> I think Hermione will put it all together [15:01] *** NimbusFlyer has joined #lounge [15:01] <fawkes28> he just will need some help from the trio to figure it all out [15:01] <Poet> Harry has enough info to eventually find the locket [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> He hasn't processed everything he knows. He still needs to put it together. [15:01] <fawkes28> hey NimbusFlyer [15:01] <Poet> ..without any help [15:01] <ph63915> aberforth is the key [15:01] <oomamalook> Hermione will definitely help with putting it all together [15:01] <delafayette> thats about all he has is one is a locket [15:01] <tinkertime> he'll need hermione and some other help too [15:01] <Theoriser> he probably has the information but just hasn't figured it out yet [15:01] <Sophia40> JKR says harry does have all he needs to defeat LV. He just doesn't realize it! [15:01] <fawkes28> the pieces are in place, they just need to be put together [15:01] <princessmela> Harry has the tendency to be very blind sighted [15:01] <GranjoGranger> I think they will work rogether on solving the puzzle [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that he doesnt quite have all of the facts, but after getting whatever info petunia has and visiting GH, he might then have all of the pieces to the puzzle [15:01] <tinkertime> maybe this is where some other characters come in - snape, pettigrew, bill, charlie etc... [15:01] <NimbusFlyer> Hi all! [15:01] <Poet> Harry has inside help such as Bill and his connection to goblins to help him with Gringotts and (Charlie) with the dragons [15:02] <princessmela> Charlie is going to die...I just know it [15:02] <MafaldaWeasley> I think DD has left him some instructions about other possible places in a memory [15:02] <fawkes28> i think if any "adults" come in - it will be Bill and Charlie [15:02] <oomamalook> plus Aunt Petunia may play a role [15:02] <delafayette> what other clues has harry heard that leads him to a horcrux? [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hello nimbus [15:02] <MafaldaWeasley> hey Nimbus! [15:02] <tinkertime> all those people on the periphery need to get woven into the final plot resolution [15:02] <oomamalook> maybe some of the correspondence she had with DD will give some information [15:02] <Fabulous_Prewett> I just reread the article, I never thought about the horcrux being produced by a potion. [15:02] <MrMcGonagall> good point, tinker. [15:02] <Poet> The sorting hat song has told Harry where the founders were from, so Harry could get some ideas from that, especially since he is going to "Godric's Hollow" [15:02] <princessmela> I think it would be interesting if Aunt Petunia has something of her sisters that will prove to be valuable [15:03] <princessmela> I can't really think what it may be..but I just think she does [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> so far by the end of HBP, I dont think Harry had enough info [15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> what about him asking the sorting hat or accessing LV's memories... [15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> but he will [15:03] <Jrg1990> Poet: if theres a gryf item, it has to be in GH! for sure. [15:03] <tinkertime> interesting thought princess... [15:03] <Fabulous_Prewett> that would be an interesting trip down memory lane [15:03] <delafayette> with DD he figured out the Diary, ring and locket thats 3 so he needs 3 more [15:03] <oomamalook> I just reread first chapters of Book 5 and there is definitely something more that Petunia knows [15:03] <Fabulous_Prewett> probially in the cupboard [15:04] <GranjoGranger> The xial of Dragon's blood? [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think there may be a horcrux concealed in Riddle’s orphanage, perhaps in the attic where he used his magical powers to torture and kill another child’s rabbit? [15:04] <delafayette> blood maybe used to destroy one [15:04] <Jrg1990> no [15:04] <fawkes28> I think the Orphange is played out [15:04] <Theoriser> no, I don't think so [15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, I think DD would have checked there [15:04] <LJ> No, not the orphanage [15:04] <Poet> The attic would correspond to "air" but I would say no. [15:04] <NimbusFlyer> no [15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> no. I doubt it [15:04] <fawkes28> it had it's role and now is over [15:04] <LJ> I don't think he's been back there as an adult [15:04] <Fabulous_Prewett> no, I think that he'd do everything possible not to have anything to do with that place [15:04] <delafayette> did he go back to the orphanage? [15:04] <tinkertime> i don't think so either [15:05] <oomamalook> I don't think Voldy had the knowledge to do that while at the orphanage [15:05] *** TheRaven has quit [Bye] [15:05] <MrMcGonagall> This is one of my favorite theories. [15:05] <fawkes28> yes, sooner - DD would have checked [15:05] <delafayette> I don't think he made any horcrux till after he left school [15:05] <Spectre> Baby Voldy made a toy Horcrux after killing the rabbit :D [15:05] <Jrg1990> I dont think he would have gone back to the orphanage after his 7th year, so i dont think he would have horcruxed anything. [15:05] <fawkes28> *sigh* Mr. M [15:05] *** TheRaven has joined #lounge [15:05] <fawkes28> you think there is a Horcrux there? [15:05] <tinkertime> plus he'd have to kill someone near there - i don't think a rabbit killling is enough for a horcrux [15:05] <ph63915> Are we sure the orphanage still exists [15:05] <NimbusFlyer> lol spectre [15:05] <MrMcGonagall> I exasperate fawkes28 sometimes. [15:05] <tinkertime> unless it was a monty python rabbit :) [15:06] <LJ> When did he kill his father and grandparents? Wasn't that while he was still at school? [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> I also think there's a reason Harry has seen the orphanage from the outside, in order to identify it from the street. [15:06] <Jrg1990> yeah LJ [15:06] <Jrg1990> between his 6th and 7th year [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> I think Riddle has happy memories of that attic. [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol tinker [15:06] * fawkes28 thinks Mr. M is asking for it [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> He's a sick little monkey. [15:06] <Sophia40> Yes LJ [15:06] <Jrg1990> coz he had the ring in his 7th year. [15:06] <LJ> I think that was when he made his first horcrux [15:06] <Poet> I think he'd find the orphange unworthy, besides the orphanage is a place where Dumbledore and others exerted power over Voldemort. That would not be a happy thought to him. [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> stupid bunny killer! [15:06] <delafayette> but I think that waqs probably how the ring becameone if thats when he did it [15:06] <Jrg1990> yeah, i think he made 1 then, but i dont think he had 2 in that summer. [15:06] <oomamalook> maybe there is some kind of "journal" or clue there, but not a horcrux? [15:06] <Jrg1990> that would be very quick [15:06] <Fabulous_Prewett> I agree LJ [15:06] <tinkertime> lol sooner! [15:07] <Poet> Voldemort like planting horcruxes where he was always in power over others [15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he's a lot dramatic , LV. I think the Cave was alredy the connetion with the orphanage [15:07] <princessmela> I just wonder if the orphanage still exists? [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Of the places Harry has been or seen, where else might a horcrux be hidden? Somewhere in Hogwarts, perhaps? [15:07] <Jrg1990> yeah., [15:07] <Jrg1990> RoR -hiding version [15:07] <Jrg1990> the tiara [15:07] <fawkes28> Hogwarts is huge - there has to be one there [15:07] <princessmela> it could be anywhere [15:07] <Spectre> Borgin and Burkes [15:07] <delafayette> or CoS [15:07] <fawkes28> but NOT the tiara in the RoR [15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure where the RC item is [15:07] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure there's at least one in Hogwarts, maybe two. [15:07] <Sophia40> I have all ways thought that Hogwarts was a place! [15:07] <Spectre> Department of Mysteries? [15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I think we have one at B&B, cause he murdered one of them and made one horcrux to get revange. [15:08] <tinkertime> one is in gringotts, one is where ever LV-HQ is and one is with Aberforth [15:08] <Poet> The RoR was likely created by Ravenclaw, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tiara in there was hers. [15:08] <fawkes28> i could actually agree with you on something, Mr. M [15:08] <Jrg1990> lol. [15:08] <NimbusFlyer> It seems like it would too vulnerable there to me [15:08] <tinkertime> the last is either GH or with Ollivander [15:08] <LJ> I think he'd enjoy having one at Hogwarts. He could never take over there while DD was in charge, but he'd like the fact that part of him was there [15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I also think there's at leats one in Hogwarts and another one at the cave [15:08] <oomamalook> did he make one when he killed Lily? [15:08] *** princessmela has quit [Bye] [15:08] <NimbusFlyer> Hogwarts, I mean [15:08] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure it's well-hidden at Hogwarts. [15:08] <fawkes28> he did come back to interview with dumbledore but he may have placed it there as a student [15:08] <Jrg1990> It seems contrived to me to point out that tiara if its not important. We're in the heat of the moment, harry just hexed draco, and she takes the time to mention it. [15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I used to think there might be a horcrux hidden in Hogwarts, but I don't think that anymore [15:09] <Spectre> or, alternatively, it's something that all the students in Hogwarts see on a daily basis [15:09] <fawkes28> or gotten someone else to place it there [15:09] <Jrg1990> theres got to be something to it. [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he asked fake Moody to place it somewhere [15:09] <GranjoGranger> It does not matter where it is. It is the existance of it that matters. [15:09] <delafayette> I don't think he made one when he killed lily he was after Harry [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> at Hogwarts [15:09] <fawkes28> red herring, Jrg1990 :wink: [15:09] <Poet> Nagini is with Voldie, the locket with Aberforth, the cup - perhaps at Gringotts, the wand - with Ollivander in New Zealand [15:09] <Spectre> a red herring is a Horcrux? Oh good god :) [15:09] <tinkertime> since DD suspected horcruxes, wouldn't he have chacked Hogwarts first? [15:09] <Sophia40> Do you think He knew about the vanishing cabinets? [15:09] <oomamalook> LOL [15:09] <Jrg1990> meh, they cant all be red herrings. [15:09] <fawkes28> lol [15:09] <fawkes28> but some will be! [15:09] <MrMcGonagall> DD couldn't find the Chamber of Secrets. [15:10] <oomamalook> I don't think Jo mentions things for no reason - even to throw us off.... [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe the whole thing is a red herring and Voldemort is really Harry's fairy Godfather [15:10] <Sophia40> While with B&B he could have used one to gain access to Hogwarts [15:10] <NimbusFlyer> I think Dd would have considered every hogwarts possiblitly [15:10] <Jrg1990> lol [15:10] <GranjoGranger> Myrtle's toilet [15:10] <fawkes28> LOL [15:10] <Poet> the wand reminds me of a pole across a globe - so I think the wand is in a place now that is almost directly opposite of England - in a mountainous area - in New Zealdn [15:10] <delafayette> If he worked at B&B's he probaly knew about the cabibnets [15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I will be really upset if any of the story takes place outside of the UK [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> He wasn't the heir...and he did not have parselmouth to help him listen to the big snake [15:10] <tinkertime> agree completely w/ poet [15:10] <Jrg1990> maybe the story is that of a red herring. Harrys story is actually just there to disguise the mischief of dean thomas :p [15:10] <fawkes28> i think it will, sooner [15:11] <Fabulous_Prewett> maybe the horecux hunt is going to be like one of those clip shows on tv, revisiting places we've seen before [15:11] <fawkes28> no making fun of my red herring comment :eyebrow: [15:11] <Poet> tinkertime - think of that symbol we put together on Jo's desk for the WOMBAT - the line cut the circle ;) [15:11] <Fabulous_Prewett> lol jrg [15:11] <LJ> Sooner - I think they're out of the UK with the Dragon... [15:11] <delafayette> Ya , but just to Bulgaria or Romania [15:11] <Poet> perhaps [15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> I think there'll have parts on other countries, like Romania, Bulgaria [15:11] <tinkertime> yep and the antipodian (SP?) hybrid dragon... [15:11] <fawkes28> maybe Albania too [15:11] <oomamalook> or we'll find out that Harry wrote the whole story - made it up while locked away at his wicked aunt/uncles house [15:11] <Poet> Ollilvander could have fled anywhere [15:11] <fawkes28> or Egypt perhaps? [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I am wiling to go with various places in Europe, but outside of there and the story would not feel right to me [15:12] <delafayette> true albainia since LV hid there [15:12] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [15:12] <Jrg1990> What about Egypt sooner? thats the "alchemy centre for the world" (if the wombat answer was "true") so we may go there. [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I could maybe handle Egypt [15:12] <delafayette> Olivander would probably flee to egypt I have a feeling [15:12] <Jrg1990> maybe theres an alchemical "destroy the horcri" process [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> only cause Bil used to to work there [15:12] <oomamalook> yeah, why would Jo have had the Weasley's go there.....? [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I just dont want some random location that has never been mentioned to play a part [15:13] <LJ> actually Jrg1990 , apparently that's Amsterdam [15:13] <MafaldaWeasley> the symbol on the spine is weird, isn't it...and it has 7 points of intersection right? [15:13] <Poet> I agree we might go to Egypt [15:13] <tinkertime> we have heard of other places - and characters have travelled in all of the books - [15:13] <NimbusFlyer> Does pettigrew know about the horcurxes? [15:13] *** Theoriser has quit [Bye] [15:13] <Spectre> Why would Voldemort tell him? [15:13] <oomamalook> I don't think LV would have confided that in Pettigrew [15:13] <tinkertime> so it dosn't seem out of the question, but I think the action will still be centered in the UK [15:14] <Jrg1990> Nimbus: i dont think so. [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> like I would be upset to see some of the story take place in America, or New Zealand or anywhere really outside of the countries mentioned in the book [15:14] <Poet> The symbol also looks a bit like a pyramid - and we know (or suspect) both have alchemy connections [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> I think some of the DE knew LV had made Horcruxes [15:14] <NimbusFlyer> Would voldemort have taken it to Egypt himself? [15:14] <Jrg1990> Not even Lucius or Bellatrix knew of them, [15:14] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [15:14] <delafayette> I don't think Lucius knew the Diary was one [15:14] <GranjoGranger> Horcruxea were secret [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> I do think Bella knew about it, and also Barty and her hubby [15:14] <tinkertime> maybe hermione's huge # of Ancient Runes classes will finally pay off! [15:14] <NimbusFlyer> That's my thought too--that only DD figured them out [15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> If Nagini is a horcrux, she will be difficult to capture, as Lord Voldemort likes to keep her close. Could Peter Pettigrew help Harry in this regard? At the very least, could he perhaps confirm for Harry that Nagini is a horcrux, since he was presumably there when it was made? [15:15] <Jrg1990> he didnt from what dumbledore said. He said that Lucius was using the diary for his own gain, not knowing what it was. [15:15] <Jrg1990> shes not a horcrux! [15:15] <Poet> I think so Sooner [15:15] <delafayette> I think the Arithamacy oneswill have some place in the story [15:15] <LJ> I think the story will be mostly in the UK, but some in Europe (Romania, Bulgaria, France etc. - not all, but maybe one or two other countries) [15:15] <Spectre> Peter has a "special" relationship with Nagini, as far as I get it... [15:15] <oomamalook> Peter will help Harry in some way... [15:15] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Nagini has other rpurposes than being a horcrux [15:15] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm, I think Peter would know one way or the other. [15:15] <NimbusFlyer> LV has sooo much less control with a live horcrux [15:15] <tinkertime> I think Snape will kill Nagini - and Pettigrew will act by not acting - he won't tell Voldy... [15:15] <fawkes28> *sigh* [15:15] <MrMcGonagall> Assuming it was made from the murder of Frank Bryce. [15:16] <Jrg1990> Peter will help Harry, but only in saying: dont kill Nagini, theres no point. Kill.... frank bryce's tea pot instead. [15:16] <Jrg1990> or something. [15:16] <fawkes28> I think Peter will give him information but honestly - Peter isn't going to know a thing about Horcruxes - Voldemort keeps that very hush hush [15:16] <oomamalook> Peter owes Harry a debt [15:16] <delafayette> Frank wasn't a horcrux just a nosey grounds keeper [15:16] <tinkertime> i like the teapot idea ;) [15:16] <Poet> I think Nagini is a horcrux and Voldemort keeps her close. He doesn't love, but he is obessed with Slytherin and the snake is like his "familiar" [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Peter and Nagini are going to rumble [15:17] <Jrg1990> Frank himslef wasnt, but we are assuming the last horcrux was made with his death [15:17] <LJ> haha Sooner! [15:17] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Petre is going to transfigure into a rat and nagini will have him for snack [15:17] <NimbusFlyer> lol Maflada! [15:17] <Spectre> Nagini will choke with Peter? :) [15:17] <tinkertime> i like mafalda's idea even better :) [15:17] <oomamalook> I like that one, Mafalda!! [15:17] <delafayette> ya the snake is a Familiar but not a Horcrux he is like trevor is to Nevelle [15:17] <LJ> I like that idea, Mafalda :p [15:17] <MafaldaWeasley> scabbish is gone gone gone [15:17] <Jrg1990> maybe: Nagini will have him for a snack, but because he was devoured whole, he'll transfigure back, and be so big that nagini will explode lo2 [15:17] <Jrg1990> lol* [15:18] <Poet> Seems like Voldemort almost made Nagini his spouse - he made her an equal by using her to stay alive . I'd love to see the rat kill the snake, but seems like the opposite might happen [15:18] <GranjoGranger> lol [15:18] <Jrg1990> if hes stood up: hed stretch naginis insides to far. [15:18] <LJ> maybe Peter will transform back to himself half way down, and tear Nagini apart (reminds me of a snake pic I saw - it had tried eating a Croc, and was torn in half :p ) [15:18] <Jrg1990> thats what i mean LJ [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> ewwwwwwwwwww [15:18] <tinkertime> maybe the scene in POA when he gets stuck in the door is foreshadowing - haha [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> oh, I think we are not that lucky... [15:19] *** oomamalook has quit [Bye] [15:19] <delafayette> There ya go Tink [15:19] <Jrg1990> tinkertime: that was movie only right? [15:19] <MafaldaWeasley> Arthur will have Nagini [15:19] <Jrg1990> he didnt get stuck in the door in the book did he? [15:19] <tinkertime> just the movie - that's true [15:19] <delafayette> was it just in the movie? [15:19] <GranjoGranger> I don't trust those movies. [15:20] <fawkes28> Nagini doesnt have to die :wink: [15:20] <TheRaven> I'm still rather confused on how Voldemort used Nagini to stay alive... doesn't milking a snake mean collecting the venom? So does that mean Voldemort used Nagini's venom to stay alive? how would that affect him? [15:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think Ron will kill Nagini - Mustelidae killing the serpent, like a mongoose. [15:20] <MafaldaWeasley> He made her his equal, Poet? How? [15:20] <Poet> Too true MrMcGonagall [15:20] <GranjoGranger> Yes she does. I want her to die. [15:20] <tinkertime> that's interesting MrMcG... [15:20] <NimbusFlyer> Cool Mr. Mrc [15:20] <tinkertime> the weasle (or similar) vs. the snake... [15:21] <Jrg1990> Nagini has to die. and thats why shes not a horcrux. Voldemort thrives on immortality, he wouldnt use a mortal being, be it the basilisk, be it nagini, be it whatever, he just wouldnt use it, because he hates mortal beings. [15:21] <Spectre> There are a lot of Weasleys around... :) [15:21] <Jrg1990> he wouldnt do it the respect [15:21] <Jrg1990> even if its as close as he ever had to a friend. [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Will being a Parselmouth assist Harry in luring Nagini? [15:21] <Jrg1990> AS CLOSE AS <-- thats far to "wishy washy" to give a piece of soul to. [15:21] <GranjoGranger> yes [15:21] <Jrg1990> yes. [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think that Harry will ever be able to exert control over Nagini because she is LV's crux [15:21] <Poet> He might be able to use it to control her [15:21] <fawkes28> I think it definitely helps and Harry may be able to get Nagini away from Voldie [15:21] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so. I think LV has too much control over her. [15:21] <Theoriser> yes - even if she isn't a horcrux, for the moment Harry believes she is [15:22] <Jrg1990> fawkes28 - I agree. [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> if she decides to speak to him...but I think she's friends with LV and the snacks he gives to her [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> The snaky smoke in DD's office shows how closely intertwined LV and that snake are [15:22] <fawkes28> but Harry is very close to Voldemort too [15:22] <delafayette> I think being a parslemouth will help with the dragon [15:22] <NimbusFlyer> "but in essence divided?" [15:22] <Poet> Unless he's also a crux ;) Unless Voldemort and the snake and Harry are like a 3-headed entity with two-three heads vying for control. [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> thre is a theory that Nagini is LV's mother [15:22] <tinkertime> i forgot about that Sooner - but that's a good point [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> really, Sooner? I've never thought about it. I've always thought about LV and Harry [15:22] <fawkes28> I think Harry may be able to use his mind and connection to voldemort to communicate with Nagini [15:23] * MrMcGonagall thinks Sooner has been in UDH too long. [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:23] <Jrg1990> Nagini being Merope... that would be too weird lol [15:23] * fawkes28 finally agrees with Mr. M [15:23] <Spectre> Nagini may be the mother of a current Voldemort's body [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> no. Nagini is his snake mother. [15:23] <Jrg1990> ive never heard that one lol [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> right [15:23] <tinkertime> he was able to see through nagini's eyes when she attacked Aurther [15:23] <MrMcGonagall> Sooner didn't say she believes the theory. [15:23] <Jrg1990> ohhh thats better lol [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I have heard it. I still havent made up my mind, but the idea has merit [15:23] <Jrg1990> i still dont think so: but its more believable. [15:24] <MrMcGonagall> She did feed him with her milk... ewww. [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he was drinking her venom. Ewwww [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> sna [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> p [15:24] <Jrg1990> It has merit yes, but so does the "McGonagall is a traitor" theory, it doesnt mean its true :p [15:24] <fawkes28> lol [15:24] <MrMcGonagall> Mind meld! [15:24] <NimbusFlyer> eww and ewwwwwwww [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> because Lv was possesing her...but the question is how he was able to do that if he already had a body.. he did the smae with other snakes and quirrell, but he was vapourmort then [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> in a way, she nursed him. [15:24] <Poet> Voldemort was able to possess Harry in Book 5 [15:24] <MrMcGonagall> No way would I want Nagini as a wet nurse. [15:24] <delafayette> Oclumacy or how ever you spellit [15:25] <tinkertime> and remember how Harry (through Voldy's thoughts) thought he had become the sanke. [15:25] <Jrg1990> I think possession is a "dark art". I think you release your soul temporarily into somthing else, whether it was previously enclosed or not. [15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, because they have a cooneting Poet.. mind connection at least.. does he have the smae with Nagini? [15:25] <tinkertime> maybe Voldy has become the snake by making her a horcrux... [15:25] <Theoriser> good point tinker [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Dumbledore went to great lengths to find and seize the locket horcrux, but it proved to be a fake; someone beat him to it. Presuming that the mysterious R.A.B. is Regulus Black and that the locket in Grimmauld Place is the horcrux, why do think Regulus failed to destroy it? [15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> moving along now........ [15:25] <delafayette> snake =no horcrux IMO [15:25] <Poet> He died first? [15:25] <GranjoGranger> No not if I understand horcruxes. [15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> nice thought Jrg1990 [15:26] <Jrg1990> He did destroy it, the item is just still there. [15:26] <delafayette> He died [15:26] <tinkertime> i wonder if he did fail to destroy it... [15:26] <Theoriser> maybe he didn't figure out how to destroy it in time [15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think you need to be able to speak parceltongue to open it' [15:26] <fawkes28> i think so poet [15:26] <NimbusFlyer> I agree jrg and tinker [15:26] <tinkertime> maybe that's how he died [15:26] <Poet> Or perhaps he couldn't figure out a way to pierce it release the Voldemort soul fragment [15:26] <fawkes28> it wouldnt open though, it has to still be there [15:26] <GranjoGranger> He had no time [15:26] <Jrg1990> harry will discover it, realise that its already gone, and be done. [15:26] <MafaldaWeasley> he drunk the potion [15:26] <delafayette> I thought they said LV killed RAB [15:26] <fawkes28> yes, sooner - i like that theory [15:26] <Jrg1990> i have plenty of things that are jammed shut. Doesnt meant theyre horcruxes :p [15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> since Harry now knows parceltongue thanks to LV's stupidity...... [15:27] <tinkertime> if he did destroy it - it would make Harry's task a bit more managable in DH [15:27] <Jrg1990> besides: they werent really trying. they were just taking a brief break from cleaning, and tried to open it. [15:27] <fawkes28> LV probably killed Regulus, but it isnt proven that he is indeed RAB [15:27] <Jrg1990> if they REALLY tried, they may do. [15:27] <LJ> I agree with that, too, Sooner [15:27] <Poet> The locket couldn't be opened in Book 5, so I think it is still a horcrux [15:27] <GranjoGranger> He took the horcrux did not have time to destroy it. [15:27] <tinkertime> and he could be wearing it on the cover art cause Voldy didn't know it was gone already [15:27] <Poet> agreed [15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think it is still horcruxified as well [15:27] <delafayette> Ya and no proof RAB destroyed the horcrux but just took it [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> I think the DEs were hot on Reggie's tail. He didn't have time to find a way to destroy it. [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the real Horcrux is still at the CAve and jumoed when Harry summoned it. I think it's an Inferi wearing it. [15:28] <MrMcGonagall> He chucked it in a cabinet and met his end soon after. [15:28] <Spectre> RAB is one of the Inferi? [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, I think so [15:28] <LJ> Although the Locket Harry is wearing is prob the Horcrux Locket - it could also be the fake that DD and Harry found... [15:28] <Poet> I don't believe so [15:28] <tinkertime> his note makes me belive that he knew he would die trying to destroy it - [15:28] <Jrg1990> yeah, i think the locket hes wearing is the fake. [15:28] <fawkes28> i think it is the fake one, LJ [15:28] <GranjoGranger> No it;s the one from Grim [15:28] <Poet> I zoomed in on the illustration and it looks like there is an 'S' on that item, as well as possibly a crack [15:29] <delafayette> well..... that was strange that harry tried to summon it and an inferni jumped if it was a fake locket [15:29] <tinkertime> but i'm not sure if he was succeesful [15:29] <Jrg1990> coz he said hed keep it, to remind him of how much more there was still to do (or whatever). [15:29] <MafaldaWeasley> if it's a locket he's wearing, it's a fke one [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Regulus is worm food, and he was killed by LV before he got a chance to take care of the locket [15:29] <fawkes28> the fake one to remember that he lost Dumbledore [15:29] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. [15:29] <Poet> The fake one was smaller than the real one and had no marks on it [15:29] <Poet> The one in the illustration definitely has markings on it [15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Many believe Kreacher helped Regulus steal the locket-crux from the cave. If this is true, and Regulus was on a horcrux hunt of his own, might Kreacher have more information that will be useful to Harry? [15:29] <Jrg1990> *will conceed if there is indeed marks* [15:29] <Spectre> Voldemort was careless enough not to Legilimens Regulus before killing... [15:29] <Jrg1990> yes [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> yep [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> No, RAB was on his own... [15:30] <LJ> I think Kreacher will help Harry in some way [15:30] <tinkertime> unfortunately yes - so harry cannot just dump him in a dragon pit [15:30] <Poet> yes, I agree that Kreacher has info. I think Kreacher was in attendance when Regulus took it [15:30] <delafayette> Now that coul;d be where harry gets his info from Kreacher [15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Kreacher is a big piece of the puzzle, IMO. Especially after seeing the quote by David Yates [15:30] <Jrg1990> he may even have the locket now (he was stealing stuff from them all day long) [15:30] <LJ> maybe not freely - but he has to do what Harry says [15:30] <Jrg1990> unless dung has it. [15:30] <GranjoGranger> will get some from Kreacher [15:30] <Spectre> Kreacher won't! :) [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Dung is not in the OotP movie-- Kreacher is. That tells me what I need to know about that situation [15:31] <MrMcGonagall> I agree completely, Sooner. [15:31] <Jrg1990> yeah, i agree with that soonet [15:31] <tinkertime> that's true sooner - [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> mmm but thinking better, I think that it's possible he had taken Kreature with him, and that's why Bella knew about the Horcruxes and went after the Longbottom to try to figure out where LV was... well, she clearly stated that at court, that LV would return [15:31] <Poet> I love the fact that more than one person could have the locket. Even with the locket, Harry could have some false starts [15:31] * Jrg1990 is still indignant that dung got cut [15:31] <Jrg1990> lol [15:31] <LJ> agreed Sooner [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:31] <Spectre> Interesting that Aberforth Dumbledore's role is described as "Barman" at IMDB [15:31] <GranjoGranger> Sorry I don't buy the movie=book theory. [15:31] <Jrg1990> Aberforth is just "barman" in this movie spectre [15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but we find out from David Yates that Jo told him to put Kreacher in [15:32] <Jrg1990> we dont "officially" know hes aberforth yet. [15:32] <Jrg1990> not even post 6. [15:32] <Poet> Jo said herself that they shouldn't cut Kreacher because of Book 7. [15:32] <delafayette> Yep [15:32] <GranjoGranger> So He Is Very Important [15:32] <tinkertime> Sooner & Poet are right - Jo wanted him in - so that's enough for me [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe Kreature will be connected to Sirius and not RAB [15:32] <Jrg1990> well she said to "keep the thread into 6/7", so yeah, basically because of 7 lol [15:32] <Poet> Just think -we'll have the answers in less than 3 weeks! [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> If the Grimmauld locket was the horcrux, where do you think it is now? Kreacher’s cubby? With Mundungus in Azkaban or someplace he hid it? Possibly with Aberforth? [15:33] <Jrg1990> Poet: dont say that! [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> don't tell me about Poet...I'm dying over here [15:33] <Jrg1990> thats to scary a thought lol [15:33] <tinkertime> arrgggghh 3 week - i'm :) & :( [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Kreacher has it for the reasons I have stated above [15:33] <Poet> I think Aberforth may have it [15:33] <Jrg1990> Kreacher or Aberforth. [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Poet [15:33] <delafayette> I agree with sooner [15:33] <Jrg1990> Not dung [15:33] <fawkes28> I think Aberforth rescued it from Dung [15:33] <Jrg1990> he got rid of it. [15:33] <GranjoGranger> Kreacher has [15:33] <Jrg1990> to Abby [15:33] <Spectre> hm... then we *do* have a Horcrux in Hogwarts :D [15:33] <Poet> I think Jo showed us the Aberforth/Dung exchange for a reason [15:33] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think Dung was a red herring. [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh Spectre, this might be the case! [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> Aberforth knows a lot more than we think. [15:34] <tinkertime> agree w/ MrMcG [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Dung was a total red herring, IMO [15:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's in Kreacher's cubby. [15:34] <GranjoGranger> He knows a lot. I don't know what. [15:34] <tinkertime> Aberforth & Kreacher [15:34] <fawkes28> Aberforth is going to play more of a role - he is going to have it [15:34] <Jrg1990> Poet: agreed. thats why i lean towards aberforth. But Kreacher's still a big possibility. [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its in Kreacher's lair, but what I cant decide is if he left it at 12GP, or took it to Hogwart's with him [15:34] <delafayette> maybe its the Hufflepuff cup Aberforth has [15:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's still in GP. [15:35] <fawkes28> Dung would have nicked that so fast [15:35] <tinkertime> maybe Kreacher knows about the other Horcruxes, not just the locket [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I am leaning that way, but would not be surprised if it was at Hogwarts because of Kreacher [15:35] <Jrg1990> delafayette: Dung gave abby stuff from GP, why would the HP cup be in GP? [15:35] <Spectre> Kreacher apparated to Dursleys having nothing but his rag, and then apparated to Hogwarts... though :) [15:35] <Jrg1990> they were slytherins through and through. [15:35] <delafayette> didn't Dung have a cup? [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> Harry sent him to Hogwarts immediately. He didn't say, pack up your stuff and go to Hogwarts. [15:35] <GranjoGranger> I think Kreacher knows what Regulus told him. [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> Most house elves don't own nothin'. [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Dung had a cup, but not the hufflepuff cup [15:35] <fawkes28> Kreacher may have more of a role but he is certainly not going to be the end all be all of this book [15:35] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Dung had a cup he stole from 12GP [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> welome Jane! [15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> hi Jane! [15:36] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:36] *** ph63915 has quit [Bye] [15:36] <Spectre> hi Jane [15:36] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:36] <JaneMarple9> hello everybody :) [15:36] <MrMcGonagall> but it was silver with the Black coat of arms. [15:36] <Jrg1990> welcome jane [15:36] <GranjoGranger> Hi Jane [15:36] <NimbusFlyer> i Jane [15:36] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [15:36] <JaneMarple9> ((((Boothers))) [15:36] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:36] <Jrg1990> welcome back fawkes [15:36] *** mode/#lounge [+o SoonerGryffindor] by Snuffles [15:36] <fawkes28> thanks [15:36] <Jrg1990> lol [15:36] <Poet> Kreacher needs "something" to snog while he's away from #12 Grimmauld Place [15:36] <delafayette> did they say it was a B;acks cup or could it have been another cup? [15:36] <GranjoGranger> Dung's cup had Black crest on it. [15:36] <tinkertime> true fawkes - but IF he's on the cover art & they are in Gringott's why would he be with them there? [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> . There is a theory that at some point Voldemort had access to Gryffindor’s sword, unbeknownst to Dumbledore. Do you believe this is plausible? [15:36] <Jrg1990> yes [15:36] <JaneMarple9> no [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> nop.. [15:36] <delafayette> ah ok wasn't sure if cup was marked [15:36] <NimbusFlyer> no [15:36] <GranjoGranger> no [15:36] <Spectre> no [15:36] <MrMcGonagall> Erm... no. [15:36] <fawkes28> I believe it is a goblin, tinker [15:36] <tinkertime> no [15:36] <Poet> no [15:37] <LJ> no [15:37] <Jrg1990> he flicked his wand in DD's office, he horcruxed it THERE AND THEN. [15:37] <tinkertime> that could be fawkes... [15:37] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> I can't see a horcrux sitting right under DD's nose in his office for all those years. [15:37] <JaneMarple9> if dumbledore said it wasn't a horcrux it isn't a horcrux [15:37] <Jrg1990> dont know who he killed, but id belive he killed someone. [15:37] <Theoriser> no, I don't believe this theory [15:37] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:37] *** LJ has joined #lounge [15:37] <GranjoGranger> yes Jane [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> Not under the nose of someone who is so good at sensing magic. [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, MrM. It's very unlikely [15:37] <Poet> All those years it's been sitting in DD's office. And Harry was able to use it to kill the basilisk [15:37] <fawkes28> i dont think it is [15:37] <tinkertime> and Tom shouldn't have been able to turn it into a Horcrux [15:37] <Jrg1990> Jane: that means Nagini is one, and i dont believe that either. [15:37] <Spectre> Voldemort killed a bug in Dumbledore's office and made a dust piece a Horcrux? :D [15:37] <Poet> And the sword had been inside the hat. I'd think the hat would notice if it had a piece of Voldie's soul in it [15:38] <fawkes28> but we dont know what that sword is on the cover - there could be another one that is important [15:38] <JaneMarple9> anything's possible.....still not sure on Nagina myself [15:38] <delafayette> I still think thats a goblin on the cover [15:38] <Jrg1990> fawkes28: its gott be the gryf sword! surely! if it is/isnt a horcrux, its got to be that sword [15:38] <JaneMarple9> it's a Elflin! [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it's dobby [15:38] * fawkes28 pats delafayette on the back [15:38] <Jrg1990> I agree, its griphook the goblin (although thats off-topic) [15:38] <GranjoGranger> Always possible we have not seen the missing horcrux. [15:39] <Jrg1990> yeah Grango it is. [15:39] <Spectre> Maybe Harry would kill Nagini with Gryffindor's sword? It's good against snakes, it seems [15:39] <MafaldaWeasley> I wonder of how many treasure did the founders have [15:39] <fawkes28> maybe Jrg1990 - it is way more likely that the sword is a horcrux than Nagini [15:39] <GranjoGranger> Not Dobby!!! [15:39] <delafayette> I mean look at the ears the lexicon says elfs have bat ile ears [15:39] <JaneMarple9> I am thinking it is Kreacher after Kreacher had to be kept in film five [15:39] <tinkertime> that's true Spectre [15:39] <fawkes28> although if you follow the 4 tarots - then a sword is one of the items [15:39] <Jrg1990> Jo said: "i guarentee someone will find A horcrux." not that we'd definitlely find them all. [15:39] <fawkes28> so we shall see [15:40] <GranjoGranger> Not Kreacher because alive [15:40] <Poet> Back to if you think Voldemort had access to it.... [15:40] <Jrg1990> so its possible we will have something totally new as one. [15:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think that's just becoming a slave of a theory, though, fawkes. [15:40] <delafayette> I don't think the sword is one [15:40] <Spectre> did we encounter any other blade weapons in the book? I can remember only Sirius' knife [15:40] *** AnnaNoe has joined #lounge [15:40] <fawkes28> but it is a very good theory [15:40] <Spectre> bookS [15:40] <Poet> Hi Anna, we're discussing the horcruxes [15:41] <AnnaNoe> ah ok [15:41] <LJ> I don't think LV ever had access to Gryff's sword - at least not after he left school. AndI don't think he was ever in the Headmasters office alone, like Harry has been, while at school [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Another prominent theory is that Harry himself is a horcrux. Donna Hosie points out that this would seem to depend on whether the spell used to create a horcrux is done before or after the murder takes place. The Harry-crux Theory: love it or hate it? Why? [15:41] <NimbusFlyer> Oops--gotta go, folks! Very interesting chat everyone. Thanks and take care! [15:41] <delafayette> I think DD kept an eye on LV when he came to visit and would know if he did that big of magic [15:41] <GranjoGranger> I'm sure the Hogwarts kitchen is full of knives [15:41] <Jrg1990> I dont THINK the sword is a horcrux, but i think DD is wrong that a gryf item isnt. He said "there is only one gryf relic", but theres 2 in that very office! the sorting hat was gryfs too! [15:41] <tinkertime> hate it - harry is NOT a horcrux [15:41] *** Fabulous_Prewett has quit [Bye] [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> HATE IT (sorry caps) [15:41] <JaneMarple9> couldn't agree more Tinker [15:41] <MafaldaWeasley> Gosh, noooooooo Harry is not a Horcrux. I would be very disappointed if you could create a horcrux by accident [15:41] <Jrg1990> HATE IT. [15:42] <Theoriser> I hate this theory [15:42] <GranjoGranger> ditto [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's not a horcrux but is like a horcrux. [15:42] <TheRaven> Harry is NOT a horcrux [15:42] <Spectre> The horcrux spell should be performed after the killing - because before it, the soul isn't split [15:42] <JaneMarple9> and sooner :) A very silly theory, for me :D [15:42] <Jrg1990> hes gonna die, but not coz hes a horcrux. [15:42] <delafayette> If its true it happened when LV tried to kill harry and destroyed himself and part may have gone into the scar [15:42] <Theoriser> my sister came up to me today and said her friend had a really good theory, and it turned out to be this one [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> If we find out that being able to tear your soul and committing an act of unspeakable evil can be done on accident, I will be upset [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> I can't see the horcrux spell or whatever it is being done before the murder. [15:42] <tinkertime> interesting MrMcG [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> I just think you have to tear your soul first. [15:42] <MafaldaWeasley> well, Spectre we don't know, maybe there's a potion or somethin to be done before the killing as well [15:42] <Jrg1990> yeah spectre. the spell ENCASES the fragment of soul. It cant be done before there is a fragment of soul. [15:42] <Theoriser> it would just be a terrible ending, as far as I can see [15:42] <Theoriser> and there's no evidence for it [15:42] <Poet> It would be very hard for Harry to become a horcrux. I DO think however that Voldemort had just killed the Potters and had two fresh rips in his own soul. When he was ejected fro his body, one could have attached its self to Harry's forehed. Not a horcrux in the usual sense, but in essnce the same [15:42] <fawkes28> no Harry is a Horcrux :puke: [15:43] <JaneMarple9> he might die...but it won't be because his scar is a Horcrux. If it is, I'll be very disappointed with Jo [15:43] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> That's my thinking, Poet. [15:43] <GranjoGranger> Yes but the object needs to be prepared [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> its not even whether or not its possible for me. I hate the idea that anyone could accidentally make a horcrux [15:43] <Theoriser> if harry was a horcrux why would voldy have tried so hard to kill him for so long [15:43] <tinkertime> really - harry has a connection to Voldy - but to go so far as he's a Horcrux - he's too good to be one [15:43] <Jrg1990> agreed Jane. [15:43] <GranjoGranger> Could be a before and an after spell. [15:43] <Spectre> Do *any* murders count as soul-ripping? [15:43] <Jrg1990> although ill say: HE WIL DIE. not he MIGHT die lol. [15:43] <tinkertime> his whole moral compass would have been tweaked [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> so it's an accidental horcrux and I really dislike the idea :P [15:43] <fawkes28> yes, i believe so spectre [15:43] <Synesthesia> i never get that harry as a horcrux theory.. [15:43] <Theoriser> and if he was an "accidental" horcrux then wizards would be making accidental horcruxes all the time [15:43] <GranjoGranger> Horcruxes should not be easy to make. [15:43] <delafayette> Maybe LV doesn't relize part of his soul is in Harry's scar [15:44] <Synesthesia> he could always just pull his scar off his face if that's the case... [15:44] <Synesthesia> painful, but easier than dying [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that murder rips the soul. Only by choosing to create a horcrux can you tear your soul [15:44] <Spectre> So Moody's soul, for instance, is also torn apart several times? [15:44] <MafaldaWeasley> naaa, the connection must be something else. I think it has to do with Lily spell more than anything [15:44] <Synesthesia> Moody? [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> if enough time passes and one was truly remorseful, the rip in the soul from murder could be healed. I dont think tearing can ever be healed [15:45] <LJ> The last words of the book will be "So, Harry was never a Horcrux and neither was his scar" :p [15:45] <MrMcGonagall> but Moody hasn't separated any parts of his soul from his body. [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I think you must do a spell before and kill in order to create the horcrux, Spectre [15:45] <Poet> I believe the spell allows you to remove the ripped part permantely from you body and then allows you to put it somewhere else. I think the backfiring AK did the first part owhat was needed [15:45] <delafayette> I think you can tear your soul but it would heal after awhile unless you removed the part and stored it in an object [15:45] <JaneMarple9> yay LJ I'd be happy with that! [15:45] <tinkertime> murder is a terrible act - no matter what - but there has to be preparation to make a murder a Horcrux - it's like taking a bad thing & making it worse [15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> that would be very cruel, killing and innocent for preserving you own life and being concient of that [15:45] <Jrg1990> Sooner: you tear the soul by murder, horcruxing only encases the tear. [15:45] <Jrg1990> its still torn. [15:46] <Synesthesia> unicorn blood comes to mind [15:46] <tinkertime> agree w/ Sooner & Jrg1990 [15:46] <Poet> I agree that the ripped portion can heal if not removed from the original person [15:46] <Spectre> I think that killing someone in battle is quite different from killing someone defenceless in cold blood [15:46] *** NimbusFlyer has quit [Bye] [15:46] <GranjoGranger> I still think it could be a more complex ritual with spells before and after the murder [15:46] <tinkertime> defensive vs. offensive [15:46] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! Thanks for coming! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [15:46] <MafaldaWeasley> and why it would go to Harry and not to some object around the place? I have a hard time to see it :D [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there is a difference between ripping and tearing [15:46] <delafayette> ya has Moody gone around arbitrarily killing people? No [15:46] <LJ> delafayette: I agree, I think the torn soul can be repaired unless removed to make a Horcrux [15:47] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Granjo, I agree [15:47] <fawkes28> yes, there is a difference [15:47] <Poet> And don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/Topic-Poll-7-18-Wize-Wiz-t48327.html . [15:47] <Synesthesia> shame i got here so late... [15:47] <Jrg1990> i dont think it can heal. But i dont think you can have an accidental horcrux. even if you tear it, you can choose not to encase it. [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> . Donna Hosie does point out the canon moments referring to Harry having a “bit of Voldemort” inside him. Is it possible that, given the confused events of Godric’s Hollow and magic gone awry, that Harry functions like a horcrux, even though Voldemort never intended it and probably doesn’t even realize it? [15:47] <Theoriser> yes, if you murder without making a horcrux, your soul is still torn, just not encased in anything [15:47] <delafayette> Mafalda because he was focusing his power on harry [15:47] <Poet> Yes, I agree with Donna on that point [15:48] <Poet> Ever since reading book 2 I've thought that [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that statement by DD has been badly misinterpreted by people who think Harry is a crux [15:48] <Jrg1990> i think it functions in a similar way to horcruxes, but isnt one. [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh okay [15:48] *** ph63915 left #lounge [] [15:48] <Jrg1990> its like a soul what he has in him, but it isnt. [15:48] <tinkertime> Sooner - i don't like it, but it is possible - the wording of the prophecy makes me wonder [15:48] <GranjoGranger> The scar mark can be a bit without being a horcrux. [15:48] <Poet> In Book 2, Harry hears Tom's name and has a weird feeling it was someone he knew as a boy [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> no, I think their connection is somehow mental.. they share some abilities [15:48] <MrMcGonagall> And the Sorting Hat really wanted to put him in Slytherin. [15:49] <delafayette> ya the scar is a Crux not Harry himself [15:49] <Poet> When he stabs the diary it felt as if he'd always meant to do it - like he knew, though he had to knowledge as "Harry" of what to do [15:49] <GranjoGranger> again mentak [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the connection is purely from the rebounded AK, and has nothing whatsoever to do with cruxes [15:49] *** AnnaNoe left #lounge [] [15:49] <Jrg1990> i think he has a piece of Voldemorts very existence as it were in him. He is Part-Voldemort. But its not a soul. [15:49] <Jrg1990> its just his being. [15:49] <MrMcGonagall> The connection itself is so peculiar. [15:49] <tinkertime> it seems like the prophecy would have said the opposite if harry was a Horcrux - neither can die while the other lives [15:49] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:49] <Poet> I think Voldemort is anchored to Harry. I hope Harry can use that connection to destroy Voldemort [15:49] <GranjoGranger> love it tink [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Aislinn [15:50] <Synesthesia> hmm... [15:50] <Aislinn> hi! [15:50] <GranjoGranger> hey Aislinn [15:50] <Synesthesia> a connection to a pure souled being like harry... [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it must have to do with Lily and the rebounded Ak and not with anything else. he's not a horcrux. It's mental thingie [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> hello Aislinn [15:50] <LJ> Harry's not a horcrux - though their connection is strange, and acts similar to one [15:50] <Synesthesia> that could slowly kill him, along with the blood [15:50] <delafayette> maybe part of Harry is in LV like LV is in Harry Tinker [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mafalda [15:50] <MrMcGonagall> I think LV using Harry's blood for his rebirth has given Harry the upper hand with regard to the connection between them. [15:51] <MrMcGonagall> Harry just has to learn how to use it. [15:51] <GranjoGranger> me too [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mr M [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, it made it stronger MrM [15:51] <Synesthesia> indeed [15:51] <tinkertime> true [15:51] <LJ> agreed [15:51] <Synesthesia> the pure protection of his mother's love was in harry's blood. [15:51] <Synesthesia> voldermort has overlooked the power of love before. [15:51] <Spectre> Not only Harry's blood, but Pettigrew's flesh also... would *this* play any role? [15:51] <Aislinn> I agree that Harry is not a Horcrux [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> If Harry does have a bit of Voldemort’s soul in him, how will he destroy it? Donna Hosie suggests a dementor may do the job, and that Harry’s friends will have to use the Patronus Charm to prevent the dementor going too far. Credible theory? [15:51] <delafayette> I think the last sentance will be Harry felt his forehead and there was no more scar. [15:51] <Poet> I think Harry is our Gryffindor item, unknowingly. Gryffindor saves the day after all. [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, he should have picked other meat than rat's one... [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> . If Harry does have a bit of Voldemort’s soul in him, how will he destroy it? Donna Hosie suggests a dementor may do the job, and that Harry’s friends will have to use the Patronus Charm to prevent the dementor going too far. Credible theory? [15:52] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't like this theory at all. [15:52] <Spectre> Like, Voldemort's brand new flesh dies after Pettigrew's death... [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe after nagini have eaten sccabers [15:52] <GranjoGranger> too farfetched [15:52] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> meh, Harry is not a crux anyways [15:52] <Spectre> lol Mafalda [15:52] <delafayette> Na the dementor is all or none I think [15:52] <tinkertime> I don't like that idea - but it is a well reasoned theory [15:52] <LJ> I like that theory, Sooner - I've heard it before, many times [15:53] <Poet> I like the dementor idea, but its not my favorite. However, we do see two dementors hovering over Harry near the end of Book 3 - as if there are two souls to be sucked there [15:53] <Synesthesia> i don't think harry would want to work with a dementor... [15:53] <Poet> no [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Another idea is that Harry will go through the Veil to destroy the Voldemort within him. If he does, might he still return? [15:53] <Synesthesia> he hates those things [15:53] <MrMcGonagall> Once upon a time I thought of a dementor doing it, but I'm less and less inclined to think that way. [15:53] <GranjoGranger> Dementors are too hard to control [15:53] <Synesthesia> that would be rather cool. [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> nop. I think the piece wouldn't have survived Harry's love for the ones he lost. We saw LV couldn't satnd the love of Harry so nop, no soul into harry that is voldie's soul [15:53] <Spectre> Harry would shove his head through the veil and go back :D [15:53] <MrMcGonagall> If Harry goes through the Veil, I don't see him coming back. [15:53] <Aislinn> yes, if he does go through, it will not be because he dies, so he will come back [15:53] <Synesthesia> i think ti's best for me not to even think about it or speculate [15:53] <tinkertime> i think he'll go through the veil & fawkes will bring him back [15:53] <delafayette> But maybe thats why the dementors are attracted to harry cause a peice of LVis in there [15:54] <tinkertime> fawkes the bird - not fawkes28 ;) [15:54] <Spectre> Is it any different to enter the veil from its left side or its right? :) [15:54] <Synesthesia> they just like destroying people and eating their happiness [15:54] <delafayette> they didn't bother Ron or Hermione [15:54] <Poet> It would be hard to return, but we do have references to things such as underwater/otherwordly journeys [15:54] <GranjoGranger> If Harry goes through the veil so do I [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he's not going throught it, but I don't know [15:54] <fawkes28> Harry will go through the veil - it is part of the Hero's Journey [15:54] <fawkes28> and yes, he will come back - it has been done before [15:54] <GranjoGranger> I hope not [15:55] <MrMcGonagall> Not by Harry, fawkes. [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree, but I dont think it has anything to do with a horcrux [15:55] <delafayette> I*f he does then the DotLD wil factor in [15:55] <fawkes28> I just read a very interesting theory that Hagrid will be his guide in the underworld [15:55] <Spectre> Hagrid and Fluffy? This post has been edited by Poet: Jul 1 2007, 04:54 PM |
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[15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> If Harry is a horcrux of any sort, would entering the Love Room in the Dept. of Mysteries cause the evil bit of Voldemort’s soul to die while keeping Harry alive and whole?
[15:55] <Poet> Or Flich - as the "ferryman" [15:55] <LJ> yeah fawkes - I've read that one too [15:55] <GranjoGranger> Now that would be interesting [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> awww nooo.. jesus. I feel Hagrid is dying but I hate the idea [15:55] <tinkertime> that's a good theory [15:56] <tinkertime> voldy couldn't stand to be in Harry when he tried to possess him [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Again. I think Harry will go in the love room, but I dont think it will have anything to do with the fact that he is a horcrux... because he is not [15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the piece would already have been destroyed by the love Harry carries into him [15:56] <GranjoGranger> Yes Sooner. I like that. [15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Sooner [15:56] <delafayette> That maybe how Harry gets the bit of LV outa himself [15:56] <tinkertime> but I still don't think he is a orcrux - but maybe that's how he'll destroy on (or more) of them [15:57] <tinkertime> *Horcrux* [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> This would be my favorite theory, since it doesn't involve Harry's death. [15:57] <LJ> haha MrM - mine too :p [15:57] <delafayette> What about Harry loosing his powers at the end? [15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> mm considering the evloluton of LV and his knowledge, I think it would be hard for Harry to take little Voldie out of himself [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Last question: A big unanswered question in Half-Blood Prince is how exactly one destroys a horcrux. The defenses surrounding them are deadly, as evidenced by Dumbledore’s hand. But how difficult is it to actually destroy one? [15:57] <fawkes28> but you think he is going to die, Mr. M [15:58] <Spectre> It varies probably... [15:58] <GranjoGranger> Not loose powers. DD had his powera. [15:58] <Poet> It helps if you have a nice sharp dangerous object [15:58] <fawkes28> i do not think there is one set way [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is the defenses that are more dangerous [15:58] <Synesthesia> as long as you don't actually touch one... [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think actually destroying them will be that hard [15:58] <tinkertime> if he collected them all, took them into the love room - maybe that would do it! [15:58] <fawkes28> he wouldnt want it to be easy for anyone [15:58] <Poet> I agree that the defences are more dangerous [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> well, you face LV all the time and he's sucking the life out of you.. you must be very strong to take it [15:58] <Aislinn> Harry was relatively unscathed after destroying the diarycrux [15:58] <delafayette> ya different ways for each item [15:58] <LJ> Somehow, I think the connection with LV will help Harry destroy the Horcruxes without being hurt himself [15:58] <Synesthesia> i hope harry's body parts don't shrivel doing this. [15:58] <Synesthesia> maybe it's the voldermort pieces. [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> remember how he was killing Ginny and what he did to DD's hand... [15:59] <Poet> Yes, the diary was dangerous. [15:59] <delafayette> but the diary was the first and probaly didn't have the protections the others had [15:59] <tinkertime> maybe the "connection" gives Harry protection that even DD didn't have [15:59] <fawkes28> the locket most likely needs to be open through parseltongue [15:59] <GranjoGranger> Harry has the knowledge from those happenings in his favor. [15:59] <tinkertime> Harry is the ONLY one who can destroy them... [15:59] <fawkes28> i think Bill will play a role in one of them since he is a curse breaker [15:59] <Aislinn> I think it does, tinkertime [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that DD's hand was a result of the protection, not the crux. Look what the potion in the cave did to him [15:59] <Poet> Woot! Great chat. There is another on Wednesday night at 7pm Eastern U.S. time [16:00] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I agree with that [16:00] <Spectre> what will happen if a Horcrux is thrown beyond the veil? [16:00] <Theoriser> I agree sooner [16:00] <MrMcGonagall> How would you de-horcruxify something, Sooner? [16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> the only thing that could have destroyed the diary was the basilisk venom, maybe Harry has those instintives moves from the knowledge he has of LV's horcruxes, as one of the habilities he got from LV [16:00] <fawkes28> it is on Villaineses - Bella, Narcissa, and Umbridge! [16:00] <fawkes28> come and chat then [16:00] <delafayette> ya the protections on the crux did the damage nott the crux itself [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M. We will find out in 19 days [16:00] <Poet> The topic for Wednesday is Villainesses: Bella, Umbridge, & Narcissa [16:00] <JaneMarple9> wheee :excited: [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh [16:00] <Poet> See you all then [16:00] <Synesthesia> nice! |
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