Peter Petigrew, How did he fool all of them |
 Dec 5 2005, 09:13 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 28 Joined: 5:54pm August 4, 2005  |
It just occured to me that Peter Petigrew did not seem to be terribly good at Occulmency or Legilimency so how did he fool Dumbledore and co into believing he has on their side?
I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere. If so sorry! |
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Dec 5 2005, 11:08 AM
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Owner of D's Favorite Avatar! Posts: 3,053 Joined: 10:59am June 8, 2005 Location: Exile on Main St  |
I think it was a matter of everybody else believing that he wasn't capable of betraying them. They thought he was not a great wizard and wouldn't be able to pull of something like that.
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Dec 5 2005, 11:11 AM
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Nomes  Posts: 2,313 Joined: 9:14am July 22, 2005 Location: The South |
This thread belongs in Notable Magical Names, as it is discussing a character as himself, and not as how he will affect future books.
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Dec 5 2005, 05:18 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 93 Joined: 4:32pm December 5, 2005 Location: Canada |
Again Dumbledors tragic flaw he trusts to much, he trusted pettigrew because he was james and lilies freind
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Dec 5 2005, 07:56 PM
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Chief Mischief-Maker  Posts: 8,572 Joined: 5:07pm January 28, 2005 Location: The Marauder's Map never lies ... |
Peter was cunning enough to appear to be a weak and talentless individual, but in reality he managed to fool his friends and DD, and proved himself to be a cleverer wizard (in terms of the depth of his cunning) than anyone had given him credit for.
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Dec 6 2005, 03:00 AM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 636 Joined: 6:07am January 28, 2005 Location: StormKeeper In The Sky |
its cunning disguised as the honest and simple you have to watch out for.
but what i want to know is how did voldiemort get his claws into perrigrew in the first place? a weak link in the marauders defences? its just a shame that peter turned out more cunning then he looked. -------------------- Good Hunting, Rącormė Fėastaldo Wild Longings Nomadic Leap Chafing At Custom's Chain Again From Its Brumal Sleep Awakens The Ferine Strain  Croeso y Ddraig Coch!! |
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Dec 6 2005, 11:06 AM
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Owner of D's Favorite Avatar! Posts: 3,053 Joined: 10:59am June 8, 2005 Location: Exile on Main St |
But it could have been a matter of that Wormtail feared for his life and so joined Voldy to protect it.
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Dec 6 2005, 08:10 PM
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Chief Mischief-Maker Posts: 8,572 Joined: 5:07pm January 28, 2005 Location: The Marauder's Map never lies ... |
QUOTE(Rącormė Fėastaldo @ Dec. 06 2005,8:00 am) but what i want to know is how did voldiemort get his claws into perrigrew in the first place? a weak link in the marauders defences? I wonder about that, too. I think that LV would have played on Peter's "vulnerability" as the supposed weak link in the Marauders - and offered him more than he felt he was getting from his friends. I think that Peter always resented his talented and intelligent friends - Minerva pointed out in PoA that Peter was never in Sirius and James's league, "talent-wise" (paraphrasing, as I don't have my books handy) and Remus would certainly have been no slouch at school. LV must have convinced Peter that siding with him was much better than tagging along on the coat-tails of the other three. Of course, that wasn't how his friends saw him, but Peter must have believed what LV told him, and his selfish little heart must have closed itself off to his conscience. -------------------- Proud Gryffindor
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 Dec 8 2005, 01:53 PM
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Guest Speaker at Flourish and Blotts Posts: 5,097 Joined: 4:23am August 25, 2005 Location: nowhere to be found  |
QUOTE(Narya @ Dec. 06 2005,20:10 ) QUOTE(Rącormė Fėastaldo @ Dec. 06 2005,8:00 am) but what i want to know is how did voldiemort get his claws into perrigrew in the first place? a weak link in the marauders defences? I wonder about that, too. I think that LV would have played on Peter's "vulnerability" as the supposed weak link in the Marauders - and offered him more than he felt he was getting from his friends. I think that Peter always resented his talented and intelligent friends - Minerva pointed out in PoA that Peter was never in Sirius and James's league, "talent-wise" (paraphrasing, as I don't have my books handy) and Remus would certainly have been no slouch at school. LV must have convinced Peter that siding with him was much better than tagging along on the coat-tails of the other three. Of course, that wasn't how his friends saw him, but Peter must have believed what LV told him, and his selfish little heart must have closed itself off to his conscience. Peter was obviously the least talented of the four friends but perhaps more ambitious than any of them. Nobody really thought about his needs until...Voldie contacted him and presented himself as "the strongest bully on the playground". I don't think that Peter wanted to betray James and Lily, though. It must have been simply the matter of being Voldemort's spy inside the Order, but after some time there was no return from the DE. Especially after the prophecy, Wormtail became an important link to the Potters and , by this time, he knew that not satisfying Voldemort meant death. Being a coward without any strong moral fibre , he also added the treason to his many misdeeds. --------------------  OPAST forever!!! |
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Dec 8 2005, 06:57 PM
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Dodgy Cauldrons Dealer Posts: 1,643 Joined: 8:39am July 6, 2005 Location: Manchester |
QUOTE(Rącormė Fėastaldo @ Dec. 06 2005,03:00 ) but what i want to know is how did voldiemort get his claws into perrigrew in the first place? Did he? Or did Peter Pettigrew go to Voldemort? Suddenly Peter's friends weren't the big kids in the playground anymore. I can imagine him thinking they suddenly seemed to be foolish boys playing at being soldiers. So he would have felt sure they were going to die, and take him along with them (perhaps he sort of got bounced into the Order because he didn't want them to think he was a coward). If there's a massive, fire-breathing dragon in your vicinity and you can't run or hide, the safest place to be is right behind it. You might not get burned then. |
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