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Poll: The Great Snape Debate - Part - 3, What is your opinion of Snape ? Did he redeem himself ?

What is your opinion of Snape ?
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rowena r View Member Profile	Apr 24 2009, 09:23 AM Post #1
Dumbledore's Personal Secretary Posts: 4,717 Joined: 10:28am December 31, 2006 Location: At a violin concert with my boss.	Part 2 of the very popular Snape thread had to be closed for it had reached its 50th page - the maximum according to Leaky's rules. Here's a nice new thread to continue discussing the enigmatic potions master - Severus Snape. Thanks to harrydavid who came up with the idea for this poll which has gone on to its 3rd thread. The last page of Part 1 of this poll can be found here and last page of Part 2 here. Happy voting and discussing ! rowena. LL. Mod. --------------------

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wickedboy View Member Profile	May 10 2009, 02:32 PM Post #21
Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 881 Joined: 1:35am January 6, 2007	QUOTE(The Crimson Artist @ May 10 2009, 03:17 PM) I have to agree with wickedboy on Snape's status as a murderor because, regardless of whether or not he actually "spilled the blood" (so to speak) of some innocent individual, he supported a group that he knew would and did do so. As for whether or not he actually sent the AK at someone or not, I think he most likely did personally. But I don't think it would be impossible for Snape to kill Dumbledore without having killed someone before--he obviously knew what it took to deliver the curse, and Snape is very good at manipulating his thoughts and emotions. (edit: Sorry--I practically repeated everything roonwit said) As for my own thoughts about Snape (I'm not sure I've ever said them, though I have participated in several, small debates on him before): I find Snape a rather depressing case, because I think he steeped himself so far into evil by the end of the first war, that I don't think he could have ever really rid himself of it completely. Hence the bullying and hatred in Harry's school days. That doesn't excuse his actions to me, but I don't think anything he did in that time (at Hogwarts, I mean) was particularly damning. In my personal opinion, a person doesn't have to be likable or generally kind to ultimately be considered good. The fact that he repented for his participation in murder and/or a murderous group (regardless of whether he did so out of personal enlightenment or because of <i>Lily</i>'s morals) and went on to aid its downfall is more than enough for me to forgive him, personally. I think that is how JKR looked at it also. The rejection of Voldemort evil (killing on account of birthright) and that whole viewpoint. That is enough in the storyline to earn forgiveness and redemption in her view I believe. I don't personally forgive Snape for the other stuff because to me, JKR made the error of having Snape cross the line. His comments to Hermione over her teeth and calling Neville an idiot or Harry nasty are not the problem. I can forget those things. The problem came when Snape whipped Harry across the face (HBP), shoved him to the ground with all of his might (OOTP) - which to me is physically abusive, and Snape never apologized and to my mind, never regretted these things. And in HBP, Snape knew Harry had to die at the time. But the other thing Snape did was more about him and how he was thinking. JKR's biggest error with Snape was to have him show disrespect for the dead in his lies and comments about a dead man he was jealous of - to the dead man's son - out of vindictiveness (I don't refer to the truthful statements, just the lies and negative disrespect, 'filthy' and all of that). It isn't like JKR doesn't realize how horrible this is - she had Voldemort and Bella do the very same thing ('I stamped out your mudblood mother like a cockroach'/ 'ahhhhh, does baby Potter miss his Sirius'). It has nothing to do with the dead they speak of - those people are happy enough in the afterworld. And it doesn't affect Harry in the end, who has his own love for his loved ones. But it says something to me about the speakers - their mentality - their desire to harm psychologically and doing so when they had a hand in killing the people. It just smacks of utter lack of regret and respect for the life they helped to send off to the afterworld. Without that regret/remorse, for their own deed, I fail to see how they have overcome the threshhold that divides 'evil' from 'good'. I see it as a fundamental flaw in JKR's writing of the character of Snape because I think if she considered it, she would likely agree. She meant for Voldemort and Bella to show disrespect, lack of remorse and devaluation of those they had killed or helped to kill. But I don't think she meant to leave that burden on Snape (or Harry would have a hard time forgiving him). Yet she did leave that burden on Snape - so I feel she overlooked it. Too bad because I didn't. That is how I see it anyway. -------------------- In Every Age, A Hero Rises...

Tiannangel View Member Profile	May 11 2009, 06:32 AM Post #22
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 8 Joined: 5:10am March 25, 2009	QUOTE(The Crimson Artist @ May 10 2009, 03:17 PM) His comments to Hermione over her teeth and calling Neville an idiot or Harry nasty are not the problem. I can forget those things. The problem came when Snape whipped Harry across the face (HBP), shoved him to the ground with all of his might (OOTP) - which to me is physically abusive, and Snape never apologized and to my mind, never regretted these things. As for your first point on Snape 'whipping' Harry across the face in HBP: I personally think you misinterpreted that part. I assume that you are referring to the chapter where Snape and the other Death Eater are escaping Hogwarts? If so, you have to consider a few things here. If Snape was truly evil, do you think he'd only stop at a 'whip in the face'? No. Harry would probably have been dead. And considering everything we found out about Snape and his background, and his bravery with helping the Order, having Harry call him a Coward to his face must have been a pretty harsh blow. And to throw another cherry on top of the icing, he was told that by a boy who largely resembled his arch-nemesis, and a boy who also had Lily's eyes. That would have triple upon double a really bad blow to him. I think that the fact that he only managed to whip Harry in the face, leaving no lasting damage, is almost a feat in itself, considering how his emotions must have been at that state of time. And didn't he effectively also save Harry's life? He told the Death Eaters to 'Leave Potter for the Dark Lord', but in the end, that was still done in the attempt to save Harry. - The reason that J.K. made Severus 'cross the line' is because redemption can hold so much more meaning for us readers if he can manage to have something that is such a powerful thing to be able to redeem him. I think that his love for Lily, and his willingness to save Harry because of Lily redeems him enough in my views. I do believe that you would need to 'cross the line' to have a proper redemption. Otherwise, what's there to redeem for? QUOTE(The Crimson Artist @ May 11 2009, 05:17 AM) As for my own thoughts about Snape (I'm not sure I've ever said them, though I have participated in several, small debates on him before): I find Snape a rather depressing case, because I think he steeped himself so far into evil by the end of the first war, that I don't think he could have ever really rid himself of it completely. Hence the bullying and hatred in Harry's school days. That doesn't excuse his actions to me, but I don't think anything he did in that time (at Hogwarts, I mean) was particularly damning. In my personal opinion, a person doesn't have to be likable or generally kind to ultimately be considered good. The fact that he repented for his participation in murder and/or a murderous group (regardless of whether he did so out of personal enlightenment or because of Lily's ideals) and went on to aid its downfall is more than enough for me to forgive him, personally. I agree completely, Crimson Artist. To me, what did in return for his corrupt behaviour is more than enough for me to e able to forgive him, and look upon him as a character who was indeed, probably on of the most tragic characters ever created. And you are right about a person who isn't lieable who can also be good. Severus I think, is the ultimate example of that. He is a nasty, mean teacher who abuses his power over the students, but in the end, it's not his nasty behaviour that is the determining factor for good or evil; it's the power to love, to be able to feel such strong love, enough for you to be worth risking your life for that love, that really determines who you are.

Keyata View Member Profile	May 13 2009, 12:53 PM Post #23
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 3 Joined: 11:32am April 21, 2009 Location: Nosing around the Restricted Section	(1st post, whee...) I do not think Snape fully redeemed himself, and that was of his own doing. He treated students not of his own house with contempt. I find this excusable however, because not everyone can be as kind as Dumbledore, or as diplomatic as McGonagall. I don't think Snape would have ever returned to his death eater ways after the death of Lily. In my mind, he is very much like Regulus in that some event, a particular thing, opened both of their eyes to reality. His treatment of Harry is, for the most part, understandable. Harry is James all over again to Snape. Snape projects all his resentment of James onto Harry, regardless of whether they were actually similar. As Dumbledore said, 'You see what you expect to see.' I think it is Harry's similarity to James in looks and Quidditch ability that nettle Snape so much. Consider, what if Harry had been Harriet? If he had been a she and looked exactly like Lily? Would Snape have treated him(her) so badly? I find the fact that Snape tells Harry to look at him near the end of DH a very telling point. He wanted to see Lily's eyes one last time. I think Snape hated James vicariously through Harry. But, back to the point; yes, Snape went a very long way along the path of redemption. He led a double life, in grave danger while he was in the presence to LV and disliked by nearly all of the 'other side' because of his past. Plenty to make any man bitter, I think. But in the end, he gave his life to fight LV, both figuratively and literally.

wickedboy View Member Profile	May 15 2009, 01:19 AM Post #24
Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 881 Joined: 1:35am January 6, 2007	QUOTE(Tiannangel @ May 11 2009, 07:32 AM) As for your first point on Snape 'whipping' Harry across the face in HBP: I personally think you misinterpreted that part. I assume that you are referring to the chapter where Snape and the other Death Eater are escaping Hogwarts? If so, you have to consider a few things here. I misinterpreted nothing, imo. The death eaters had left the scene, it was Snape and Harry alone. Snape worked himself up into a jealous tizzy and began whipping the daylights out of Harry when called a coward for not fighting back (not fighting back an unarmed 15 year old, far less talented wizard - let's be real, not exactly something to feel cowardly about now is it?) QUOTE If Snape was truly evil, do you think he'd only stop at a 'whip in the face'? No. Harry would probably have been dead. I agree, no he wouldn't. Snape was not truly evil, he was just partly evil. And that part came out in this scene. He didn't "stop at a whip in the face" - he was stopped by Buckbeak from doing more. He was clawed at and he ran away. What he would have done is a mystery. I personally don't figure Buckbeak would have come if Harry's life wasn't in mortal danger, so yeah, my interpretation is that Snape was so far gone, he'd of killed Harry if he wasn't stopped. The evil part of him had taken over due to his already over-wrought emotions, which he'd set a flame with his own behavior at trying and failing to taunt Harry - culminating in becoming a jealous wreck once Harry tried to use his own spell against him. Snape was hilarious. He claimed Harry's dad was a coward because he'd only attacked him 4 on 1. Then he proceeds to attack an unarmed, less qualified, Harry, with his 4 on 1 (or greater) strength - proving he was the very coward Harry called him, according to his own definition. QUOTE And considering everything we found out about Snape and his background, and his bravery with helping the Order, having Harry call him a Coward to his face must have been a pretty harsh blow. If you conveniently forget all the other horrible stuff Snape did - sure. If you don't, then it isn't a harsh blow at all - it is more than deserved. QUOTE The reason that J.K. made Severus 'cross the line' is because redemption can hold so much more meaning for us readers if he can manage to have something that is such a powerful thing to be able to redeem him. I meant she crossed my personal line of characters that can be redeemed. I wasn't speaking for other readers. To me, it was the line of no return. QUOTE(Keyata @ May 13 2009, 01:53 PM) (1st post, whee...) His treatment of Harry is, for the most part, understandable. Harry is James all over again to Snape. Snape projects all his resentment of James onto Harry, regardless of whether they were actually similar. As Dumbledore said, 'You see what you expect to see.' I have never understood how Snape's treatment is "understandable". Snape's treatment of Harry was delusional at best and ridiculous in reality, imo. First, Harry was like his father in many ways. Second, Snape saw them both the same way - miscontruing their characters in some ways and hating those things he didn't miscontrue. Sure he legitimately saw James in Harry (so did Sirius). Snape also saw what he expected to see - in both Harry and James. But their childhood enemyship did not merit this behavior - the fighting and hatred was clearly mutual. Snape's disparate villification of James advises that his biggest problem was jealousy (as JKR pointed out - Harry represented to Snape that Lily loved another man). So the fact that Snape couldn't get over himself to that degree is just pitiful. Hence I don't "understand" his treatment of Harry. He was a nutcake as I see it - transference at its most ridiculous and lame to hold such jealous fever for over 20 years - crazy. I don't read romance novels and perhaps those who do would be able to assimilate this idea better - but to me, it is just an inane form of unrequited love. Love her from afar, sure - but all the insane jealousy was whack. He just needed to mellow out, kick a bit of the obsession or whatever and recognize. In my judgment, JKR wasn't trying to indicate to readers that Snape was making valid accusations. She told us lots of stuff that contradicted Snape - he saw Harry and his dad as totally hateful beings, but they weren't. Harry's dad saved his life, shrunk his head in 7th year, joined and fought with the Order, defied Voldemort thrice, made Lily a happy wife and then sacrificed his life while Lily was still alive - in an effort to save her life and that of his child. Snape knew all of these things, but acknowledged none of them. He condemned Harry at every turn as well, belittling any talent he had, calling him lucky, little talented at Quidditch, an arrogant strutting impertinent kid...etc., etc., that is not the canon character of Harry either. Snape was in a canon nightmare of his own making and his behavior was not understandable to me - far from it. It was ludicrous actually. This post has been edited by wickedboy: May 15 2009, 01:44 AM -------------------- In Every Age, A Hero Rises...

foreversnape View Member Profile	May 15 2009, 02:33 PM Post #25
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 3 Joined: 6:25pm May 13, 2009	Snape was always my favorite character. Yes, he was strict and at times down right mean. He loved Lily so much and when she died I think a part of him died too. He was so ashamed that it was his fault. If he hand't gone to LV after hearing the profecy things would have been so much different. He lead a very lonely and misserable life after that. His only goal was to redeem himself to Lily. It is so sad to think of loving somone so much and not having it returned. So I think he was not an evil man, he was just angry about his actions and wanted to make things right.

Kalin View Member Profile	May 15 2009, 11:58 PM Post #26
Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 134 Joined: 12:32am February 26, 2009	I find it incredibly hard to forgive Snape for treating Harry with contempt after what he sees in the occlumency lessons. He gets continuous glimpses of Harry's past as he's being bullied by the Dursleys at home and Dudley's gang at school. Instead of feeling compassion for someone who's suffered like he suffered in his childhood he chooses to dwell on his teenage rivalry with Harry's father. Snape is an adult, he should be able to a) separate James and Harry and b) see Harry's childhood for what it was and sympathise with him rather than clinging to this idea that Harry is just like his dad. He let his bitterness rule him, even when all there was evidence to support a different view of Harry (who, we know, did not agree with his father's treatment of Snape). His bravery was great, and Harry and the rest of the wizarding world owes him gratitude for that, but it doesn't excuse his lack of maturity in Harry's case.

SeveraSphyrna View Member Profile	Jun 13 2009, 01:46 PM Post #27
Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 145 Joined: 11:46pm June 12, 2009	To me, Snape a literary example of how the evils experienced in childhood can create the adult. By no means am I excusing Snape for his behavior---he certainly had the time and the intellectual and human resources to come to terms with his own past. I look at him as more of a lesson to readers. 1) Kids who are bullied become bullies---and I'm not resting blame with the Marauders here. I can imagine that being emotionally-abandoned (and probably abused) as a child and then palling around with DEs (other bullies) as an adolescent had a much greater effect on Snape's adult self than Potter and Co. ever could. 2) Functional adulthood is really about recovering from childhood trauma---something that Snape apparently did not accomplish in his lifetime (i.e. taunting Harry because of James, pining away for Lily far longer than any well-adjusted adult male would or should for that matter, etc.). That being said, I liked Snape's character because he was a walking, grimacing paradox: insecure but self-important (the latter being a defense mechanism for the former, in my mind) socially-inept but capable of friendship and love (however obsessive and jealous that love was) closed-off and secretive but emotionally explosive (for someone who didn't wear his heart on his sleeve, he was a bit easy to rile up) weak but powerful (somehow unable to move past being discarded/bullied/used/etc. to fully realize how influential he actually was, and, more importantly, how much more influential he could have been) depressed but witty (whether that was a defense mechanism or the way he actually expressed joy is certainly debatable---but there were times he cracked me up nonetheless) cowardly but brave (an obvious one, but worth mentioning anyway) I could go on, but you get the point. As for redemption, I don't think he fully redeemed himself because he wasn't at all remorseful for the way he treated his students. Though I think he did redeem himself for his role in the Potters' death by protecting Harry behind the scenes, he did not redeem himself for his behavior at Hogwarts, particularly towards Neville. To put it mildly (and there are plenty of expletives I could use), he was a jerk. Part of this behavior was a manifestation of Snape's overall social and emotional ineptitude, but the rest, I think, was because Snape had never learned how to properly deal with life's frustrations and, most obviously, anger. If one could earn a living displacing one's anger, then Severus Snape would have been a millionaire. Neville was an easy target because he was awkward, immature, nerdy, and insecure (sound familiar Sev?). Moreover, the fact that Neville was a target only demonstrates Snape's immaturity and cowardice (there were definitely bigger egos to crush at Hogwarts, but Snape chose Neville). In addition, I could imagine that, as emotionally-inept as he was, Snape might have justified his treatment of Neville by reframing it as a favor, i.e. Snape was trying to toughen up the kid he used to be. This is funny when you consider that, had Snape been nice to Neville (or even treated him fairly), Neville may never have had the courage to stand up to the Carrows and Co. (though he was probably better served by the rebellious example Harry left behind). That being said (or written, as it were), I appreciated his character arc. Though he didn't completely redeem himself (and it would have been uber-cheesy if he had), his character struggle was an epic one. At times, he not only had to determine which was the "right" course, but also whether or not he should take it---and that, to me is what makes him a literary hero. Oh, and I forget which post this was from (it was a ways back and I forgot to quote), but I don't think Snape would have been in lockstep with the "greater good." Not only did he object to the idea in his discussions with DD, but Snape never struck me as a utilitarianist. To be such would mean believing that 1) all people are equal and thus affected equally, 2) pain and pleasure are equal and opposite, and 3) the only way to measure the value of something is to look at its outcome, which wasn't Snape's style. In Snape's eyes, he and Lily were "more equal" than everyone else and his lack of empathy with Harry demonstrates that he did not think people were affected equally by loss. Snape scoffed at the idea of another woman ever replacing Lily in his life (no amount of pleasure would erase the pain of her loss). Lastly, he rightfully felt he and Harry were being used by DD, so the ends didn't justify the means (and I can't imagine Snape resting in peace). Keep in mind, I don't think anti-utilitarianism is a bad thing (in my mind, DD was utilitarian nutjob). Snape just put more of a selfish spin on anti-utilitarianism, which is completely appropriate for his character.

wickedboy View Member Profile	Jun 21 2009, 12:54 AM Post #28
Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 881 Joined: 1:35am January 6, 2007	No offense to anyone who believes differently. But I keep reading about how magnificent a character Snape was because of the character arc JO gave him - showing his struggles, complex character, tough choices, and yada yada. But in all honesty, none of this was in the books. We never heard from Snape's POV - and when he spoke, it was usually anger, spite, bullying, vindictiveness, lying, deluding, etc., etc. Even the memories were a collection of people telling Snape negative things about himself and a show of negative factors. Those positives had little words at all from Snape. What I wonder is if Snape isn't this 'great complex' creature by JKR because people have made him so in their heads. I am honest when I tell you I don't remember even 1 scene in which Snape was shown struggling with a decision in a deep and thoughtful manner. He made up his mind quick - usually wrongly - and then began spewing venom in most cases. I don't recall him doing or saying anything at all about any epic struggle he may or may not have had. Where do people come up with this idea? Or is the whole thing that JKR gave us enough storyline so that people can creatively do this in their own heads? Cuz I didn't do it, so I don't see his character arc as an epic struggle. I see him like Sirius, Lupin and others, a tale of having gone through some pain, and some indication of what he did - but actually fewer "words" about it from Snape - actually, pretty much none at all in a practical sense. We got more about Sirius and Lupin from their mouths. -------------------- In Every Age, A Hero Rises...

ABrannock View Member Profile	Jun 21 2009, 03:33 AM Post #29
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 13 Joined: 2:28am May 10, 2009 Location: Atlanta, Ga.	Severa Shyrna's analysis is excellent and I think says it all. I really don't think there is too much more I can add to that but I will add my little thoughts anyway. I think the reason many people sympathize with Snape is because they have experienced deep pain and know what pain can do to a person. If a real life person had been through all Harry experienced, he would be a deeply, deeply disturbed person. That is why Snape is so much more of a real person than many of the other characters. I was very judgemental in my younger days and saw life in black and white. I've been through enough trying times now to know it's not always easy being human. Sometimes you just have to get through the day in the best way you know how.

SeveraSphyrna View Member Profile	Jun 21 2009, 11:48 AM Post #30
Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 145 Joined: 11:46pm June 12, 2009	QUOTE(wickedboy @ Jun 21 2009, 12:54 AM) No offense to anyone who believes differently. But I keep reading about how magnificent a character Snape was because of the character arc JO gave him - showing his struggles, complex character, tough choices, and yada yada. ... What I wonder is if Snape isn't this 'great complex' creature by JKR because people have made him so in their heads. I am honest when I tell you I don't remember even 1 scene in which Snape was shown struggling with a decision in a deep and thoughtful manner. He made up his mind quick - usually wrongly - and then began spewing venom in most cases. I don't recall him doing or saying anything at all about any epic struggle he may or may not have had. Where do people come up with this idea? Or is the whole thing that JKR gave us enough storyline so that people can creatively do this in their own heads? Cuz I didn't do it, so I don't see his character arc as an epic struggle. No offense taken. I like your questions! Here's my take: I think most complex characters (whether literary or cinematic) are created in the minds of readers/viewers, and it is through their actions and not their words. [An aside, I think this is where I think JKR missed the boat with the Trio, actually. If we had been reading more about what they did, rather than what they said/debated/what have you, then we would have known more about them as individuals (which would have made the books more efficient and reduced the camping sequences in DH ).] But I digress... I agree with ABrannock (quoted below) about why readers have hooked onto Snape's character. We've all made bad choices and acted too hastily. We've all done the things for the wrong reasons and done things we've regretted. Snape is almost the embodiment of our worst case scenarios, as it were. No, Snape wasn't openly thoughtful about his loyalites or plans, and he was a hot-headed, selfish git, but whether he did things purposely or simply chose to act (instead of being negligent), he did do a lot and those things speak volumes about his character. For example (excuse this laundry list, and I'm sure there are more examples)...Snape could have not spilled the beans about Voldemort's plan to go after the Potters. He could have disobeyed Dumbledore and not spied on Death Eaters and Voldy for almost two decades (Frankly, I can't imagine how much stamina this took, much less how difficult that was). He could have let someone else save Harry during the Quidditch game. He could have minded his own business and not investigated Quirrell. He could have declined to make Remus' potion or not attempted to remind Remus to take it (no, that didn't turn out well, but that was more Remus' fault than Snape's). He could have given Harry less rigorous occlumency training (yes, Snape stopped the lessons out of his own immaturity, but Harry did invade Snape's privacy and was obviously going nowhere in this skill). He could have not alerted the Order about imaginary!Sirius being in danger at the Ministry. He could have gone against Dumbledore, once he realized that Dumbledore was keeping a lot of information from him. He could have not entered into (or later broken) his unbreakable vow to save Draco (an act that unwittingly secured Snape's death and could have made him Death Eater enemy #1 if Voldy found out). He could have not committed (what I think was a cowardly) assisted-suicide. Fact is, Snape chose to do a lot of things that made his character richer---and I don't believe that these were easy choices. I think the reason why his character is so complex is that he didn't talk about what he was doing or explain his motives. So instead of taking the easy way out (not acting, etc.), Snape, in short, vows to protect the child of his childhood enemy and stays in a career he obviously hates. [Granted, there probably weren't too many career options available for Death Eaters after the first war, but considering that Malfoy worked at the Ministry, I'm quite sure that Snape could have done something else for his livelihood....but I digress again] Yes, his motives weren't necessarily the best ones (his desire to only save Lily comes to mind), but that's what made his actions all the more interesting. I kind of like the fact that we don't know exactly why he did what he did. Yes, there was the "I did it all for Lily" angle (puke!), but some of what he did was not in the name of Lily...it was obvious that he did things sheerly out of loyalty or [fill in the blank]---to Dumbledore, to Narcissa, to Hogwarts/its students (I loved that Ginny, Neville, and Luna served detention with Hagrid!), and to Harry (Snape's memories are the the only reason Harry knows anything substantive about his own mother---kind of like a parting gift). Oh, here's something that you may want to read when you have the chance. I found this awhile back and really liked the analysis (however short): http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0725/p09s02-coop.html QUOTE(ABrannock @ Jun 21 2009, 03:33 AM) Severa Shyrna's analysis is excellent and I think says it all. I really don't think there is too much more I can add to that but I will add my little thoughts anyway. I think the reason many people sympathize with Snape is because they have experienced deep pain and know what pain can do to a person. If a real life person had been through all Harry experienced, he would be a deeply, deeply disturbed person. That is why Snape is so much more of a real person than many of the other characters. Thanks! I agree about Harry---I'm actually surprised there wasn't a psych ward at St. Mungo's---I can imagine a lot of people were scarred by what they witnessed or did in the wizarding world....But then again, wizards seemed to believe that chocolate was a cure for sadness. This post has been edited by SeveraSphyrna: Jun 21 2009, 12:24 PM

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