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Poll: Villains Part Two: Deathly Hallows Revision, Which of the following was the best literary villain in the series?

Which of the following was the best literary villain in the series?
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lirene View Member Profile	May 7 2008, 02:09 PM Post #1
Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium Posts: 7,175 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet	Now that Deathly Hallows has answered many of our long anticipated questions, there is still much to be discussed with regard to the various villains and their role in the series. Which of the following characters above was the best literary villain in the series? Has any one of the characters redeemed themselves? Which of the above villains played an antaganistic role towards Harry; and what was the reason and purpose of this from a literary standpoint? You are encouraged to compare and contrast these villains. You can choose from more then one of the options above, and you are more than welcome to pose your own questions as well. Please feel free to discuss anyone that I have inadvertently omitted. Have fun ! This post has been edited by lirene: May 9 2008, 03:59 PM --------------------

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ravenclawgal608 View Member Profile	Aug 8 2009, 01:29 PM Post #81
Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 19 Joined: 8:23am August 8, 2009 Location: At my computer..DUH!!!	I think Snape is a pretty good villian. While Vlodemort is an obvious choice, he's not a constantly there to antagonize Harry. Snape is always there telling Harry he's wrong, or taking points, etc. Snape is also a great double agent he never let either side know what side he was really on until the very end. That's why I voted for Snape. -------------------- Bellatrix says:Avada Kedabra You Say:Ow!

horas1 View Member Profile	Aug 12 2009, 08:09 AM Post #82
Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 114 Joined: 11:52am January 31, 2009 Location: Sandston Va	I picked three so as not to jumble things up. 1. Tom Riddle/ Voldemort You have to say even more than Jack the Ripper Voldemort has to top them all when it comes to rounding up a band of evil doers. One thing that has surprised me is that no one has mentioned Nature Vs Nurture. Harry grew up perhaps in a worse environment than Voldemort. Harry by Nature is just a nice little kid. When he finds the Weasley's he gets lots of nurture which helps him even more to see what a good family is like. On the other hand Voldemort even in his early years was just plain evil. He had a warped plan of what the world should be and had plans to carry it out. No matter how much destruction would be caused. 2. Bella Lastrange. Part of her driving force seems to be that she is totally in love with Voldemort in every Adult way. Unlike her sister Narcissa Bella is just plain nuts. Also, enjoys killing just for the sport. I did find it interesting that as evil as she was when she was with her sister she almost acted human. I found it interesting that when she was killed, Voldemort totally lost it. I would have also, talked about GreyBack but I felt that their are to many adult subject matter to discuss in an open forum. horas1

moon_boots View Member Profile	Aug 12 2009, 11:36 AM Post #83
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 8:45am August 11, 2009	I picked Pettigrew. He's not the most outright "evil" of the characters when you consider Voldy and Bellatrix, but he's the one who's actions just made me shudder. At least with those two nutcases you know where you stand It hardly makes it better but they're evil for their reasons and even Bellatrix has her own twisted kind of courage. What Peter did was despicable. I know it's been suggested that James was kind of asking for it but I never got the impression that Peter was unhappy with his lot in school, far from it. Like Lupin he was honoured to be included and liked by the two most popular people in his year. And despite both James' and Sirius' various misgivings, they grew up to be very brave and loyal people; as Sirius says himself in PoA they all would have died for each other...or so they thought. To not only betray James (and his wife and unborn child) to death, but to let his other best friend spend 12 years in Azkaban for his crime is just vile. Although saying that Greyback does scare the hell out of me.

Lou_Lovegood View Member Profile	Aug 13 2009, 02:06 PM Post #84
Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 22 Joined: 1:51pm August 8, 2009 Location: Gryffindor Common Room	Voldemort is the obvious villain simply because he is pure evil. But I picked otherwise because there are characters other than Voldemort who are more complex. I think Snape is a great literary villain, because he tortures most students (and especially Harry) apart from those in his own house. I agreed with Ravenclawgal 608. Snape showed a lot of bravery. We never really knew what to think of him throughout the series except hate him (apart from the end of course) because of his treatment of Harry and the fact that he killed Dumbledore, and he was shown to be a very complex charatcer which is why he's such a great villain. My other choice is Bellatrix. She seems to be pure evil in that she does not seem to care about anyone. She was also devoted to Voldemort, and I believe she was in love with him. So whilst she was so evil, she showed that she could still be human (as horas1 said about the way that she's almost human towards Narcissa).

The_Free_Sparrow View Member Profile	Aug 13 2009, 02:45 PM Post #85
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 10:01pm August 10, 2009	firstly why is snape on the list? He helped harry throughout the books. He just hated harry, he wasnt evil. My Top Five LV- He cant love(which if you ask me doesnt even classify him as human) He kills anything that is in his way. He was even psycho as a kid(when he tortured those poor little kids in the cave). But what i think that makes him the greatest villian in the sereies is that he knows exactly how to munipulate a person to get exactly what he wants from them, which is the key to his success. Bellatrix Lestrange- ok, well she was obv crazy even before she went to prison. She used crucio to torture the longbottoms to insanity. Which is if you think about it a fate worse than death. She killed her own cousin and would prob kill andromeda too if she could get her hands on her. She killed Tonks and Fred and countless others. She enjoys using crucio and inflicting pain on others. Plus she is in love with Lv, who i just names as the number one villian of the series. Greyback- he bites little children to turn them into werewolves. and he bites people in his human form. Umbridge- She is crazy. She needs to have ultimate control and becomes dictator-like when she takes over the school. Using physically abusing punishments on the students. and she was extremely prejudice. Lucius- let LV use his house as a hideout. He pretty much opened the chamber of secrets by giving the book to ginny.

Robbie Rowe View Member Profile	Aug 13 2009, 02:58 PM Post #86
Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 97 Joined: 1:14pm February 2, 2009	QUOTE(horas1 @ Aug 12 2009, 09:09 AM) I picked three so as not to jumble things up. 1. Tom Riddle/ Voldemort You have to say even more than Jack the Ripper Voldemort has to top them all when it comes to rounding up a band of evil doers. One thing that has surprised me is that no one has mentioned Nature Vs Nurture. Harry grew up perhaps in a worse environment than Voldemort. Harry by Nature is just a nice little kid. When he finds the Weasley's he gets lots of nurture which helps him even more to see what a good family is like. On the other hand Voldemort even in his early years was just plain evil. He had a warped plan of what the world should be and had plans to carry it out. No matter how much destruction would be caused. 2. Bella Lastrange. Part of her driving force seems to be that she is totally in love with Voldemort in every Adult way. Unlike her sister Narcissa Bella is just plain nuts. Also, enjoys killing just for the sport. I did find it interesting that as evil as she was when she was with her sister she almost acted human. I found it interesting that when she was killed, Voldemort totally lost it. I would have also, talked about GreyBack but I felt that their are to many adult subject matter to discuss in an open forum. horas1 What 'adult' subject matters are there when it comes Fenrir Greyback??? Is there not enough adult matters when it comes to perhaps Severus Snape's lust for Lily Evans???? I would choose Dolores Umbridge as a massive villain in the books/films. She is a massive tyrant and has no aversion to torturing others for information.

ToNkS_rip View Member Profile	Aug 29 2009, 01:46 PM Post #87
Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 36 Joined: 6:14am August 26, 2009	i think that of course, the Dark Lord is one of the best villains EVER, not just in Harry Potter. He is pure evil, cunning, inteligent, and just absolutely, amazingly great bad guy. Bellatrix Lestrange. Perfect villain, again. She's got it all, the 'love-to-play-with-my-food' attitude, the evil laugh, the dedication to dark magic and to the Dark Lord, aand of course the love of pain, torture and murder. And again, pure evil. Hate her. I like Barty Crouch, too, but i don't know why. Even though i didn't mark her on the poll, i think Dolores Umbridge is prettty great, too. She's sweet on the outside and foully bitter on the inside. She an amazing villain. Even though she's from the Ministry (where the good guys are supposed to be), and not a supporter of teh Dark Lord, she's still absolutely evil, and in such a cool, 'sweet' way.. She's an amazing villain. And Snape would be too, but i don't think he can be classified as a 'villain', precisely.

midzy View Member Profile	Sep 1 2009, 11:15 PM Post #88
Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 329 Joined: 1:47am August 20, 2009 Location: The Burrow with Fred and George	hands down, voldermort. the epitome of everything that is evil in this world. cunning, atrocious, despicable. the character you will loathe forever. second for me would be bellatrix, definitely. i cannot just stop hearing her evil laugh when she killed sirius. grrr. she's just perfectly wicked. she enjoys torturing people, obsessed with the dark lord - absolute monster. --------------------

LiteraryKitten View Member Profile	Jan 8 2010, 01:36 PM Post #89
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 2 Joined: 7:49am January 8, 2010 Location: Orlando, FL	I'm going to deposit my own deconstructionist form of thinking here, and it might turn out to be rather incendiary. I think the villain of the series is Albus Dumbledore. This doesn't mean I do not love Dumbledore. He is charming, fatherly, and thoroughly Machiavellan. He manipulates the other characters like pieces on a chess board, and is willing to sacrifice them to achieve his own ends. He creates an immaculate web, all to ensnare a student. And, in many ways, at a point where young Tom Riddle could have been nurtured and taught new behaviors, he is the one who turned on him, judged him as purely evil from the beginning. I want to write more, but I'm on my lunch. Any thoughts? -------------------- "But words are things, and a small drop of ink, Falling, like dew, upon a thought produces That which makes thousands, perhaps millions think." — Lord Byron

Gandalf's Beard View Member Profile	Jan 8 2010, 04:12 PM Post #90
Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 230 Joined: 6:47am April 30, 2009 Location: Gandalf's Chin	Provocative but intriguing Literary Kitten . I always enjoy a good deconstruction, even if I wouldn't necessarily agree with it's conclusions. I'd like to hear more. But thus far, I think one of your points is problematic and not borne out in the Text: QUOTE And, in many ways, at a point where young Tom Riddle could have been nurtured and taught new behaviors, he is the one who turned on him, judged him as purely evil from the beginning. This isn't quite accurate. Dumbledore himself says he had no idea that he'd just met the most powerful Dark Wizard of all time. Yes, Dumbledore was wary of Riddle, but he didn't turn his back on him. On the contrary, we see Dumbledore giving Riddle many chances to be forthcoming and open to redemption, just as he gave to Snape. But Riddle was never interested in Redemption or making amends or intimate connections with others. No, in the end, it is Voldemort who is most Machiavellian, manipulating others from an early age to bend to his Will, for no other purpose than his own satisfaction. This is the very description of a Narcissistic Sociopath. Cumbledore's Machiavellian Machinations on the other hand, were counter-moves on a Chess Board. Necessary to combat Evil, and never for his own gain. Which really takes him out of the running in the #1 Villain Olympics . -------------------- "It is like a finger pointing at the moon. don't pay attention to the finger or you will miss all that Heavenly Glory" -- Bruce Lee

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