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Poll : The most powerful wizard, This is getting serious now
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post Oct 6 2008, 11:26 AM
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A year ago we asked you who you think is the most powerful wizard. 12 months down the line, we're now asking you to choose one wizard from the top six (those with the most votes so far).
Of these six wizards, which do you think is the most powerful, and why? How do you define power? Magical ability, strength of character, numbers of supporters?
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If you have not yet voted in the original Most Powerful Wizard poll, you can do so by clicking the link and telling us who you think is the most powerful wizard or witch of all time.

This poll however is to determine which of these six wizards is the most powerful. You can only vote for one. note.gif


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So, when you say "in this context," does that mean that you do see a difference in bravery in other situations?

What I mean is, I can kinda understand how you would think there is no difference between the jumping-on-a-grenade guy, and the running-onto-a-battlefield guy (even if I still don't agree). But life-threatening situations are not the only times someone's bravery is called upon. What about these two situations: the man who runs onto a battlefield to save a friend, versus the 16 year-old boy from Missouri who gets thrown out of his home for telling his parents he's gay, and moves to New York City to start a new life. Is that not a brave thing to do? Even minus the family situation -- meaning, if the boy was just one of the millions of young people who move from small towns to the big city -- it is still a very brave thing to leave all you've ever known, and move to a huge city to start a new life, knowing full well that you might fail miserably, and end up living in a cardboard box or something. I consider every one of those young people brave. But never in a million years would I consider them as brave as somebody who runs out onto a battlefield, or indeed, anyone who faces any life-threatening situation.

Would you agree there is a difference? Or does your theory only apply to life-threatening situations?
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QUOTE(Mrs_Linnea_Snape @ Feb 2 2009, 05:34 PM) *
So, when you say "in this context," does that mean that you do see a difference in bravery in other situations?

What I mean is, I can kinda understand how you would think there is no difference between the jumping-on-a-grenade guy, and the running-onto-a-battlefield guy (even if I still don't agree). But life-threatening situations are not the only times someone's bravery is called upon. What about these two situations: the man who runs onto a battlefield to save a friend, versus the 16 year-old boy from Missouri who gets thrown out of his home for telling his parents he's gay, and moves to New York City to start a new life. Is that not a brave thing to do? Even minus the family situation -- meaning, if the boy was just one of the millions of young people who move from small towns to the big city -- it is still a very brave thing to leave all you've ever known, and move to a huge city to start a new life, knowing full well that you might fail miserably, and end up living in a cardboard box or something. I consider every one of those young people brave. But never in a million years would I consider them as brave as somebody who runs out onto a battlefield, or indeed, anyone who faces any life-threatening situation.

Would you agree there is a difference? Or does your theory only apply to life-threatening situations?


To be honest Linnea, I think describing the circumstances under which I feel that a comparison can be made in terms of 'brave, braver, bravest' would only confuse matters here (it deals with duty.) But for purposes of this conversation, I feel all of those who risked there lives were "brave". I don't try to compare their bravery as everyone faced a different set of circumstances and they were all different people. So for me the decision to be brave was an equal one.

I also agree with you that people make brave decisions of the type you gave in your example, but again, I cannot compare that to someone who runs into a burning building (also a brave decision) - the circumstances are completely different. It is simply nonsensical and unfair to me to suggest that someone is making a "braver" decision than another person, when the other person was never called upon to make that decision.



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QUOTE(wickedboy @ Feb 3 2009, 04:31 AM) *
To be honest Linnea, I think describing the circumstances under which I feel that a comparison can be made in terms of 'brave, braver, bravest' would only confuse matters here (it deals with duty.) But for purposes of this conversation, I feel all of those who risked there lives were "brave". I don't try to compare their bravery as everyone faced a different set of circumstances and they were all different people. So for me the decision to be brave was an equal one.

I also agree with you that people make brave decisions of the type you gave in your example, but again, I cannot compare that to someone who runs into a burning building (also a brave decision) - the circumstances are completely different. It is simply nonsensical and unfair to me to suggest that someone is making a "braver" decision than another person, when the other person was never called upon to make that decision.


Do you disagree that one brave deed can be braver than a different brave deed, or that one person who performs a brave deed can be braver than another person who performs different brave deed?

I can understand how you can't compare two brave people if their brave acts are different, cos you dont know what each would do if they were in the exact same situation as the other. But I dont understand how two brave acts can't be compared and one said to be braver than another. Nobody's saying that if one person's act is braver than anothers, then one of those people is braver than the other.

Lily's sacrifice requiring more bravery than James' doesn't mean she was a braver person, just like if Harry's sacrifice took more bravery than Lily's or James' doesn't mean he was braver then either of them.
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QUOTE(Wendall @ Feb 3 2009, 07:40 AM) *
Do you disagree that one brave deed can be braver than a different brave deed, or that one person who performs a brave deed can be braver than another person who performs different brave deed?

I can understand how you can't compare two brave people if their brave acts are different, cos you dont know what each would do if they were in the exact same situation as the other. But I dont understand how two brave acts can't be compared and one said to be braver than another. Nobody's saying that if one person's act is braver than anothers, then one of those people is braver than the other.

Lily's sacrifice requiring more bravery than James' doesn't mean she was a braver person, just like if Harry's sacrifice took more bravery than Lily's or James' doesn't mean he was braver then either of them.


Yes, I realize no one is saying that no one is braver than another - as I indicated above, since we all agree that everyone was brave it is all pretty academic. But I simply don't feel there are levels involved in brave acts in this context. This context involves spur of the moment decisions to be brave - give or risk your life - in life and death situations.

I totally understand where you are coming from with your assertion: "I dont understand how two brave acts can't be compared and one said to be braver than another". I think you have every right to do that if you like, based on whatever factors are important to you in reaching your conclusion (and everyone else as well.) I simply cannot agree or disagree with whatever order you place all of the brave acts in because I don't see any one person's adventure in facing death (sure or otherwise) as distinct in terms of bravery. But you guys can make the comparisons without me, can't you? smile.gif


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