Poll: After reading Deathly Hallows, whose character's Patronus changed?, Why do you think their Patronus changed? |
 May 13 2008, 05:29 PM
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Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium  Posts: 6,771 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet   |
During the DA meetings, Harry teaches the students how to conjure a Patronus; and we find out what the Patronuses of many of the other characters in the series are. After reading Deathly Hallows, did you think anyone's Patronus changed; and if so, what did it change to and what reasons do you have to support your theory? Of those character's Patronuses we don't find out about during the HP series, what would their Patronus be and why?
You are more than welcome to choose from more than one of the following options above, and you may discuss those characters that I have inadvertantly omitted. Have fun  .
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May 14 2008, 01:59 PM
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Neville's Biggest supporter Posts: 11,752 Joined: 8:51am January 28, 2006 Location: On V.S.D.G.  |
I think this is such a fascinating subject. I think Aberforth's patronus ("It's a goat, idiot!"
 ) might have changed his Patronus after the Battle. Aberforth, like Percy Weasley, saw the light. He managed to forgive - or come to terms - his brother. Whose Patronus am I most interested in - which we don't know of? No surprise at all - Professor Longbottom's! I'd love to know what his Patronus was before he joined the DA, while he was in the DA and leading the DA and what it was after the Battle. My personal choice before the battle would be a snake or a toad (seeming he had Trevor  ) but after the battle I think it might be a lion   
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May 14 2008, 10:01 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 35 Joined: 1:15pm February 29, 2008 |
Changing patronus? I voted other because I don't think the Battle of Hogwarts would have changed any of the options' patronuses. If anyone's changed, I would say George Weasley. I think his would either mirror his brother Fred's (if it didn't already), or if they were identical already that he may have found it too painful to produce it after Fred's passing. I picture Fred as a peacock (the "I'm still better looking" line of thinking in him) and George as a platypus (the animal kingdoms' "joke" so to speak"), so maybe George took on a peacock if he wasn't also one already.
What were the patronuses we didn't see? Draco--none  Nymphadora-- JKR hinted pretty heavily that it was Lupin-inspired. I would say wolf. Molly--I picture a mother hen. Neville--I picture something large like a bear or perhaps a lion, an animal that is usually quiet or dormant but is "awakened" to its full power. Hannah--her destiny as an Innkeeper makes me think a piglet. Cute, smart, loves food, not afraid of a little dirt under her nails. Dean Thomas--something faithful, friendly, persistent...a beagle maybe? Xeno Lovegood--can imaginary creatures be a patronus?  Lupin--At first I want to say wolf, but he was so at odds with his "furry little problem" I wonder if he could have gotten past that to harness the good of the wolf. Maybe he'd settle for being a sheep. Sirius--a dog, duh. Bull Mastiff, humungo type dog. Hagrid--I'm thinking his imperfect wand would have prevented him from casting a corporeal patronus. had his wand never been damaged, I'd say a bull. Cedric--something hardworking, attractive, athletic...a stallion perhaps. edited for all the extra thought that bubbled up after I hit "post" This post has been edited by Nana Evans: May 14 2008, 10:25 PM --------------------  Signature by JeffHPFan |
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May 16 2008, 09:55 PM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 47 Joined: 3:21pm November 25, 2007 |
QUOTE(Nana Evans @ May 14 2008, 11:01 PM)  Changing patronus? I voted other because I don't think the Battle of Hogwarts would have changed any of the options' patronuses. If anyone's changed, I would say George Weasley. I think so too. Except I think that before Fred's death (it still seems unreal to me) the twins probably had identical or extremely similar patronuses (I have no idea what animal) and after, mabe a while after, once George has learns to live w/o him and gets used to being just him, it may change. Perhaps to match Angelina's? I think for Angelina's patronus to match bot the twins' would be like George was marrying Fred's love, or like it makes no difference which one of them she ends up w/, assuming that Georges and her patronuses would match |
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May 17 2008, 03:40 PM
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Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium Posts: 6,771 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet |
QUOTE(JaneMarple9 @ May 14 2008, 02:59 PM) Whose Patronus am I most interested in - which we don't know of? No surprise at all - Professor Longbottom's! I'd love to know what his Patronus was before he joined the DA, while he was in the DA and leading the DA and what it was after the Battle. My personal choice before the battle would be a snake or a toad (seeming he had Trevor ) but after the battle I think it might be a lion I agree JaneMarple9 that it is interesting to guess what Neville's Patronus was before and after the battle. It very well might be that before the battle it might have been a snake, forshadowing his killing Nagini. He changed so much during the series that I am in agreement that after the battle his Patronus would henceforth have been a lion! Gilderoy is someone whom I have always wondered about as far as what his Patronus would be. It would have to be some exotically beautiful creature; since Gilderoy fancies outward beauty. Maybe a peacock or a colorful Macaw. -------------------- |
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May 17 2008, 05:04 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 305 Joined: 11:06am July 8, 2007 Location: helping Harry, Ginny, Ron, Hermione, Luna and Neville at an order meeting |
QUOTE(SevSnapeSupporter @ May 16 2008, 10:55 PM) QUOTE(Nana Evans @ May 14 2008, 11:01 PM) Changing patronus? I voted other because I don't think the Battle of Hogwarts would have changed any of the options' patronuses. If anyone's changed, I would say George Weasley. I think so too. Except I think that before Fred's death (it still seems unreal to me) the twins probably had identical or extremely similar patronuses (I have no idea what animal) and after, mabe a while after, once George has learns to live w/o him and gets used to being just him, it may change. Perhaps to match Angelina's? I think for Angelina's patronus to match bot the twins' would be like George was marrying Fred's love, or like it makes no difference which one of them she ends up w/, assuming that Georges and her patronuses would match i definately think that george's patronus would change because he lost his best friend, Fred, you know how hard that must be? and in HBP Lupin says that a patronus can change if someone has received shock or something... i cant remember This post has been edited by invisibilitybooster1: May 17 2008, 05:05 PM -------------------- "Dumbledores man through and through arent you Potter?" "Yeah I am." Harry said. "Gald we straightened that out" Gryffindor House supporter of SPEW, Member of DA |
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May 17 2008, 07:35 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
I like the suggestion of George's Patronus changing. Him and Fred were inseparable; they knew each other better than anyone else, so Fred's death would have had a particularily profound impact on George.
However, I voted for Harry. I think the reason that his Patronus was a stag in the first place was because of the lack of closure between him and his parents - he would always find strength of heart in the parents he never knew. Now that he's been able to add more to that closure (particularily in the Forest scene), and now that he's found his strength of heart in Ginny and his children, I would expect his Patronus to change accordingly. This brings me to my two Patronus guesses (the first one I forgot to vote for in the poll): I've always thought that Ginny's was a cat (I remember several instances where Jo describes Ginny's actions as cat-like ), so I think Harry's Patronus would change to a member of the cat family - a lion  . Not only would it relate to his wife's Patronus (assuming Ginny's is in fact a cat), but the nature of a lion describes Harry's character very well: leader of the jungle/WW, incredibly brave and wise, and very strong (both at heart and in the physical/magical sense).My other Patronus guess is Molly's: I don't have a particular animal in mind, but I think it would have to be something related to the weasel family (remember, Hermione's Patronus is an otter, which is a member of the weasel family). Taking after Nana Evans' suggestion (which I thought was quite creative), it would have to be whichever animal in the weasel family is best known for it's motherly nature (for obvious reasons ).
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May 17 2008, 10:58 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 35 Joined: 1:15pm February 29, 2008 |
I think Ginny's was a horse, if I remember correctly.
From Wikipedia: QUOTE Mustelids vary greatly in size and behavior. The least weasel is not much larger than a mouse. The giant otter can weigh up to 76 lb (34 kg). The wolverine can crush bones as thick as the femur of a moose to get at the marrow, and has been seen attempting to drive bears from kills. The sea otter uses rocks to break open shellfish to eat. The marten is largely arboreal, while the badger digs extensive networks of tunnels, called setts. Some mustelids have been domesticated. The ferret and the tayra are kept as pets, or as working animals for hunting or vermin control. Others have been important in the fur trade. The mink is often raised for its fur. Following your idea, maybe Molly is a badger. Could the Prewetts be Helga Hufflepuff decendents? Possibly, but would a founder's blood descendant sort to a House other than their ancestor? -------------------- Signature by JeffHPFan |
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May 18 2008, 03:30 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 102 Joined: 11:35am April 6, 2008 Location: In Hogwarts kitchen, trying to kidnap a house elf! |
That's interesting NANA EVANS. I never knew that the badger was a part of the weasel family so I did not make that connection early on.
I don't think Harry's would have changed, it would have stayed the stag and Ginny's was something in that family that gallops. We never knew what Draco's was but the peacock would be my venture (either his or his father's) since they had the pure white peacock on their property to represent pureblood. Draco would have still held that valuable but probably would not have been against others so much. George's naturally would have changed because of his lost. Neville's before the battle was probably the frog, something easy to overlook and not considered brave or useful. Then changed to either the snake (signifying killing Nagini) or the lion (his new confidence and bravery). Xeno Lovegood probably would not have changed but whatever he thought the Crumple-horned Snorckack looked liked Hagrid no change a dragon Aberforth would have stayed the goat - his sister's memory was still where his heart was although he felt better about his brother Dumbledore was the phoenix even Harry thought so Sirius - huge dog Ron no change Any thoughts on what Mundungus's would have been (remember the rat is already taken) or even Madeye? |
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May 18 2008, 01:15 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 35 Joined: 1:15pm February 29, 2008 |
If Mundungus could make a patronus, it would be something with a dubious reputation like a raccoon (thieving) or vulture (scavenger).
Mad eye--first thing that comes to mind is a rhino--big, thick skinned, rare, perceived as agresive but usually charges in defense because it hears what it thinks is a threat. Or better yet an owl--old, wise, hunter, exceptional hearing and vision, stealth flyer. -------------------- Signature by JeffHPFan |
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