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Portrayal of Gender in Narnia
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post Sep 5 2008, 03:19 PM
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The Narnia books were written in England between 1950 and 1956 at a time when the world was recovering from the World War II, during which many women had gone to work in factories, buses, farms etc doing jobs that men had done but had given up to go to war. After the war, when the men came home, the women were expected to go back to being quiet little housewives, staying at home to keep house and look after children.

The Magician's Nephew is set some years, about sixty years (according to the literary references at the beginning of the story), earlier than that, at the time in history when women were being arrested for demanding the right to vote - the first women's suffrage group was set up in 1866. Aslan asks the Cabby whether he would like to stay in Narnia and Cabby replies that he's a married man and that, if she was there, neither of them would want to leave. Helen (Nellie) isn't even there at that point and yet he makes the decision for her. Aslan calls out and brings her to Narnia, whereupon the Cabby still replies for her, thanking Aslan on his own and his wife's behalf and answers for her on ruling the animals and caring for their children, she doesn't speak but appears to agree with him.

The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe seems to be set in the same time that its written and yet the attitude to gender doesn't seem to have changed. When Father Christmas arrives he gives gifts to the children: a sword and shield to Peter, telling him to "bear them well"; a bow and arrows and an ivory horn to Susan; a bottle of restorative and a dagger to Lucy. Despite the bow and arrows and the dagger being items of war he tells both girls that he doesn't intend either of them to be involved in the battle for which he's equipped Peter. Susan and Lucy's main role is expected to be to call for help and tend the wounded.

At the end of L,W,W the four children are made kings and queens of equal standing, which is in keeping with royal ranking, a king does have equal status to a queen and yet a king or queen's heir is their eldest son, followed by subsequent sons and their sons, only when there are no sons does a princess become heir. Why, after treating the girls in his story as subservient and not able to fight, does Lewis give them equal status with the boys at the end of the book?

What do you think of the way gender if portrayed in these first two books? Did it reflect attitudes of the time or was it old-fashioned even then?


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QUOTE(dduane @ Sep 18 2008, 05:34 AM) *
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I forgot that he had lost his mother at a young age. If I remember well his father was not quite good at comfort giving, suffice to say that it was the mother of one of his friends the one to take care of him when he went back home after the war.


Well, if you read the various biographies and the Collected Letters, it becomes pretty clear that the relationship went the other way around: it was Lewis who was taking care of Mrs. Moore, because he had promised his friend Paddy that he would do so if Paddy died in the war.

And the relationship between Lewis and Mrs. Moore was, to put it mildly, dysfunctional. Mrs. M. (and her daughter, who was also in residence for at least a while) made Lewis's home life nearly unbearable. Greed and laziness seem to have been her two major problems, but there were others -- and Lewis refuses to go into too much detail about the problem(s) himself, about half the time for charity's sake, and half the time out of sheer embarrassment (IMO. His brother was not so reticent in his own letters, and reports many incidences of Lewis being forced by Mrs. Moore to do household chores and run errands for her that she was capable of handling herself, when he should have been concentrating on the scholarly work that was supporting their household).

It's not a pretty picture. But it was the kind of situation that -- you could argue -- would predispose someone toward misogyny. Lewis doesn't get into too much detail about this in Surprised by Joy, on purpose: but it definitely took Joy Davidman to break him out of the shell he'd constructed around himself to defend himself against having to deal with women in general.

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From a biography I read, I gathered it went both ways. She took care of him in some ways and he took care of her as her son wanted him to do so.

I had never read about this side of Mrs. Moore, and whereas I am not still sure about Lewis being a mysogynist, I can see clearly why he could have been one.


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- Dreamteam   Portrayal of Gender in Narnia   Sep 5 2008, 03:19 PM
- - chocolate89   I think Mr Lewis was very set in his ways, and has...   Sep 6 2008, 10:35 AM
- - BaronessTarletonTavington   QUOTE(chocolate89 @ Sep 6 2008, 10:35 AM)...   Sep 6 2008, 11:42 AM
- - Fer_keeper   I just want to say this before I burst out in hyst...   Sep 6 2008, 01:43 PM
- - ravenclawgirl34   I think that in part he was echoing the views of h...   Sep 6 2008, 09:28 PM
- - chocolate89   i also like how the girls change throughout the se...   Sep 7 2008, 11:46 AM
- - Fer_keeper   QUOTE(chocolate89 @ Sep 7 2008, 01:46 PM)...   Sep 7 2008, 01:22 PM
- - chocolate89   excellent points Fer_Keeper. what then do we all m...   Sep 7 2008, 02:22 PM
- - Fer_keeper   QUOTE(chocolate89 @ Sep 7 2008, 04:22 PM)...   Sep 7 2008, 02:36 PM
- - Persephone Turpin   i think that in the case of the battle, aslan wasn...   Sep 7 2008, 09:50 PM
- - jtollert   The attitude toward women in the early books (LTW...   Sep 7 2008, 09:58 PM
- - Arianae426   There are two separate, but related, issues here. ...   Sep 8 2008, 01:25 PM
|- - momwitch   QUOTE(Arianae426 @ Sep 8 2008, 07:25 PM) ...   Sep 8 2008, 03:27 PM
- - luna_sparkle   I do find a lot of sexism in the Narnia books, ref...   Sep 8 2008, 02:30 PM
- - Bombadillo   Lucy and Susan are not allowed to fight in the bat...   Sep 8 2008, 06:17 PM
|- - luna_sparkle   QUOTE(Bombadillo @ Sep 9 2008, 12:17 AM) ...   Sep 9 2008, 05:50 AM
- - Fer_keeper   I have a question. In an interview after he finish...   Sep 9 2008, 03:45 AM
- - momwitch   Ah, interesting Fer_keeper - I never looked at it ...   Sep 9 2008, 05:28 AM
- - Fer_keeper   QUOTE(momwitch @ Sep 9 2008, 07:28 AM) Ah...   Sep 9 2008, 05:40 AM
|- - momwitch   QUOTE(Fer_keeper @ Sep 9 2008, 11:40 AM) ...   Sep 9 2008, 06:42 AM
- - Fer_keeper   QUOTE(luna_sparkle @ Sep 9 2008, 08:50 AM...   Sep 9 2008, 06:03 AM
- - Fer_keeper   QUOTE(momwitch @ Sep 9 2008, 09:42 AM) Do...   Sep 9 2008, 07:01 AM
|- - WaggaWaggaWerewolf   QUOTE(Fer_keeper @ Sep 9 2008, 10:01 PM) ...   Sep 9 2008, 07:50 AM
|- - dduane   QUOTE(Fer_keeper @ Sep 9 2008, 08:01 AM) ...   Sep 18 2008, 03:34 AM
- - jtollert   Please remember that although they are now often n...   Sep 9 2008, 03:29 PM
- - luna_sparkle   I don't think that the argument that it was Lu...   Sep 10 2008, 04:28 AM
- - momwitch   Something I was thinking about yesterday about the...   Sep 10 2008, 06:57 AM
- - Pyxis   Very interesting ideas floating around in here, I...   Sep 10 2008, 09:20 AM
|- - WaggaWaggaWerewolf   QUOTE(Pyxis @ Sep 11 2008, 12:20 AM) I in...   Sep 11 2008, 06:21 AM
- - Bombadillo   I believe the reason that Jadis focused her attent...   Sep 10 2008, 10:22 AM
- - Bombadillo   If one is able to look beyond the social/political...   Sep 11 2008, 10:45 AM


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