Post-prince Predictions Chat Transcript 8/27/06, Diagon Alley, Ollivander and Fortescue's Disappearance |
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Today's chat moderators were: Aislinn, futureweasley SoonerGryffindor and Theoriser.
[20:01] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [20:01] *** Topic is: Post-Prince Predictions - Diagon Alley, The Disappearances of Fortescue and Ollivander, and their importance in Book 7 [20:01] *** Topic set by futureweasley [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, just checking to make sure that Snuffles is happy [20:03] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [20:03] <futureweasley> No one can post in Blue today except Aislinn...all agreed? [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> no argument from me smile [20:04] <Theoriser> none from me either smile [20:04] <Aislinn> lol [20:04] <Theoriser> I'll try and find a colour that no one else is using... [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good luck [20:04] <futureweasley> Sooner suggests beige [20:04] <futureweasley> lol [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehe [20:04] <Theoriser> lol [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> very good [20:04] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [20:04] <futureweasley> electric pink...suits you! [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome nympheart [20:04] <futureweasley> hi nympheart! [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> ready for the new chat? [20:06] *** nympheart has quit [Bye] [20:06] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [20:07] <futureweasley> frozen nympheart? [20:07] <nympheart> yup, but i think i'm better now [20:08] <futureweasley> yay! [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Leaky has been slow today [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lets just hope Snuffles doesn't decide to run away [20:09] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:09] <futureweasley> if we fatten him up, he won't be able to move [20:09] <nympheart> lol [20:09] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:10] <futureweasley> hi Dumbledebbie [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> hiya [20:10] <nympheart> hi [20:10] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:10] <nympheart> hi fawkes [20:10] <fawkes28> hello smile [20:10] <futureweasley> yay Fawkes! [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> Hiya Dumble debbie and fawkes [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> Hey Sooner! smile [20:11] <Aislinn> how is everybody doing today? [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> excited for the brand new chat we're having? [20:11] <fawkes28> i've been working hard all day so you guys are my break! smile [20:11] <Aislinn> cool! [20:11] <futureweasley> you deserve it! [20:11] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hey WW [20:11] <Aislinn> hey sloan! [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, this should be fun [20:11] <futureweasley> hi whisper! [20:11] *** miss_danielle has joined #lounge [20:11] <Whisperwing> Hey all! [20:11] <Aislinn> oops, whisper! [20:12] <miss_danielle> hey every1 [20:12] <nympheart> hi [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> did I miss anything yet? [20:12] <futureweasley> hi danielle [20:12] <Aislinn> not yes, DD [20:12] <fawkes28> hey danielle [20:12] <Aislinn> we're giving people a chance to get here [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> cool [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> we'll get started in a few [20:13] <futureweasley> thanks for coming to the first ever P3 chat! Woot! [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> excited [20:13] * futureweasley is very excited [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> thanks for hosting it [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [20:13] <miss_danielle> i'm excited too! [20:13] <fawkes28> oh before we start how do i change my color? [20:13] <futureweasley> sombrero [20:13] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [20:13] <gryffindelle> hi [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> have you guys seen the poll to vote for next weeks chat? [20:13] <Theoriser> there's a little arrow on the right of where you type [20:13] <futureweasley> hi gryffindelle [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> nope, not yet Sooner [20:14] <Theoriser> click it, and then you can choose the colour from the scroll down list [20:14] <gryffindelle> where is the poll? [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> its pinned in Unfogging the Future [20:14] <fawkes28> thanks smile [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> and there is also a link to it in the CB forum [20:14] <nympheart> i'll check it out later [20:14] <gryffindelle> thanks [20:14] <futureweasley> http://www.leakylounge.com/Post-prince-Predictions-C-t32590.html#entry930532 [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> okey dokey [20:14] <futureweasley> you can vote there [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, or I could hav been smart like that and put in a link [20:14] <gryffindelle> ok [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:14] <futureweasley> lol, Sooner [20:14] <Aislinn> right now, Lily is in the lead as the discussion topic [20:15] <gryffindelle> oh, i did vote [20:15] <fawkes28> i picked dumbledore [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> touch choices [20:15] <gryffindelle> I voted for aunt petunia [20:15] <Whisperwing> Oh yeah, I did already vote -- for Trelawney, I think. [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:15] <Aislinn> That is the poll for Wize Wizard chat, whisper [20:15] <Whisperwing> Funny how no one has voted for 'mistakes in the plot' [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> so basically, its pretty wide open [20:15] <futureweasley> yeah, and I voted for deaths and reprieves [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> so, I need a poll choice for 'all of the above' ;) [20:16] <Aislinn> there is a new one for this chat [20:16] <fawkes28> lots of chats now [20:16] <futureweasley> everyone wants to discuss everything [20:16] <futureweasley> so, that's cool [20:16] <Aislinn> lol [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, who wants to get started? [20:17] <futureweasley> memememe [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> :) [20:17] <Aislinn> I do! [20:17] <fawkes28> me!! [20:17] <nympheart> I [20:17] <miss_danielle> oooh i do! [20:17] <gryffindelle> meeeeee!!! [20:17] <Whisperwing> e chat to moderate and keeping anyone from typing. [20:17] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:17] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [20:18] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [20:18] <Theoriser> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [20:18] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> In book 6 we discover that 2 of Diagon Alley's most prominent shop owners are MIA-- Florean Fortescue the ice-cream parlour owner and Mr. Ollivader the wand maker. While one absence seems to reek with foul play, the other doesn't seem to be as sinister on the surface. [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> So in this chat we would like to explore the role that Diagon Alley, along with its 2 missing shop owners, will play in Book 7. The following link is a diagram of Diagon Alley so you can see the layout. http://www.hp-lexicon.org/atlas/britain/atlas-b-diagon.html [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Ollivander and Florean Fortescue's disappearences are linked?If so, how? Why? [20:19] <Whisperwing> Proved me wrong there -- man where's the first half of that last post of mine gone to? [20:20] <Whisperwing> Hm, yeah that disappearance of each of these guys is interesting.. [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys, feel free to chime in [20:20] <futureweasley> I have some mad theories about his... [20:20] <Aislinn> I'm not sure if they are linked or not [20:21] <nympheart> I don't think they're linked [20:21] <Aislinn> one seemed to be taken by force, while the other just vanished [20:21] <gryffindelle> I think that they are linked, but they are linked to the order as well [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> so was it coincidence? [20:21] <Whisperwing> I wonder if Fortescue's disappearance is linked to his apparent knowledge of Magical History -- remember how he was helping Harry with his homework in PoA? [20:21] <gryffindelle> remember fortescue in dd's office [20:21] <mollywobbles23> I think the hardest thing to figure out is why Florean Fortescue would be taken. Ollivander is easier to come up with theories about. [20:21] <futureweasley> I think they could be linked in the sense that Ollivander saw Fortescue obducted, then he feld [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> Ollivander's value to Voldemort is obvious, what would Florean have that would be useful to VM? [20:21] <nympheart> I agree with whisperwing [20:21] <Aislinn> that's an interesting question, whisper [20:21] <fawkes28> something that we don't know yet [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that is on the right track WW [20:22] <Aislinn> that's a possibility FW [20:22] <gryffindelle> I think that has something to do with why fortescue disappeared [20:22] <futureweasley> Fortescue is the surname of a past Headmaster at Hogwarts...maybe they are of relation? [20:22] <nympheart> The problem is we don't know exactly what Fortescue could be used for [20:22] <Whisperwing> You know, TCBY was selling peanut butter and strawberry frozen yogurt one week and I instantly thought of Florean. [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> Did Ollivander take the wand from the window display with him? [20:22] <futureweasley> they said the shop was completely empty [20:22] <gryffindelle> I think that are secret order members, and needed to be taken to a safer place, I do not think they were kidnapped [20:22] <Aislinn> the shop was cleaned out I thought [20:22] <fawkes28> that is not good [20:22] <Whisperwing> I believe the window of the shop was bare. [20:22] <nympheart> I wonder what's special about that wand [20:23] <mollywobbles23> If Fortescue's knowledge of magical history was a factor, what could he know that Voldemort didn't want anyone else to know, especially Harry? [20:23] <Theoriser> I always thought that the shop would have been cleared out by others, because wasn't one of them boarded up? [20:23] <Whisperwing> Maybe it was the first wand Ollivander ever crafted [20:23] <gryffindelle> fortescue's was, i believe [20:23] <nympheart> Ollivander or one of his ancestors? [20:23] <futureweasley> maybe it was Grindelwald's wand [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> but if he just wanted to shut him up it'd be easier to kill him than hold him hostage [20:23] <fawkes28> if it was displayed in the window then it shouldnt be too significant because anyone could take it [20:23] <Aislinn> I've seen theories that the wand belonged to one of the founders [20:24] <nympheart> Does anyone think that maybe one of them was hidden by the order? [20:24] <gryffindelle> I still don't think either one of them were actually kidnapped [20:24] <mollywobbles23> Sometimes it's best to hide things in plain view, fawkes. [20:24] <futureweasley> Ravenclaw... [20:24] <futureweasley> I've seen that, too, Aislin [20:24] <gryffindelle> yes, I think they both were nympheart [20:24] <Whisperwing> If he was taken I'm sure it was to try to force Ollivander to come up with a way to prevent Priori Incantatum from occuring next time he faces Harry. [20:24] <nympheart> I agree whisper [20:24] <miss_danielle> i agree ww [20:24] <Whisperwing> or should I have said, 'He'? [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> that or get a new wand made [20:24] <nympheart> either that or DD got him out of the way first [20:24] <fawkes28> i think one of them could be related to ravenclaw [20:24] <nympheart> Ollivander might be [20:24] <nympheart> he always struck me as Ravenclaw house [20:25] <fawkes28> he is intelligent [20:25] <Whisperwing> I think he'd be determined not to use any other wand but the one he's always had. [20:25] <nympheart> i think so too whisper [20:25] <Aislinn> who, ww? [20:25] <miss_danielle> yeh i can't see him changing wands unless its absolutely necessary [20:25] <Aislinn> LV? [20:25] <Whisperwing> Yes [20:25] <fawkes28> do we know what ollivander's wand is made of? [20:25] <futureweasley> LV is too arrogant to change wands...he believes the power is within himself [20:25] <nympheart> LV does have a sentimental side [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Ollivanders shop was descibed as being empty. Where are Ollivander's wands? [20:26] <Whisperwing> Sentimental, or possessive. [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> that's a kind way to put it [20:26] <Aislinn> I see it as being possible that either side has him [20:26] <futureweasley> I have a theory that he's hidden them...maybe in a vault in Gringotts [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that theory [20:26] <nympheart> so do i [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> something had to happen to them [20:26] <Aislinn> he could have been hidden by Dumbledore, with the wands, to keep them from LV's side [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> can goblins use wands? [20:27] <Aislinn> Or he was taken by LV, to be used to outfit his members [20:27] <nympheart> Not lawfully [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> good question dumbledebbie [20:27] <nympheart> remember the House Elves? [20:27] <futureweasley> good question, but I don't think so [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> we only know for sure that elves can't [20:27] <futureweasley> they could have a magic of their own...or no magic at all [20:27] <Aislinn> right, nympheart [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> there's a big difference in being able to and being allowed to [20:27] <Whisperwing> Maybe Ollivander's done a massive Evanesco on the wands, simply vanished them to somewhere. [20:27] <futureweasley> we don't really know much about them [20:27] *** miss_danielle has quit [Bye] [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> scary thought if they could just pick them all up and march off to LV's side [20:27] <fawkes28> do we think these hidden wands are important? [20:28] <Aislinn> and the ability to get and use wands could be something that LV is offering to creatures like the goblins to get them on his side [20:28] <futureweasley> or, as was mentioned earlier, they could be hidden in plain sight...like they are invisible on the shelves [20:28] <nympheart> not enormously [20:28] <fawkes28> adult wizards pretty much all have wands [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> I tend to think Ollivander himself is more important [20:28] <nympheart> they could just get wands somewhere else [20:28] <nympheart> I do too dumbledebbie [20:28] <Aislinn> why, DD? [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> so does any body think that LV stole all the wands in the shop? [20:29] <futureweasley> I wonder if Ollivander himself is a powerful wizard, or if he's just an expert wandsmith [20:29] <nympheart> wands are objects and replaceable [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> because if his knowlege and skill [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> or did Ollivander keep them? [20:29] <nympheart> I don't see what LV could do with the wands [20:29] *** Redhead has joined #lounge [20:29] <Aislinn> I would think you'd have to be powerful in some kinds of magic to be an expert wandsmith, FW [20:29] <fawkes28> i dont either because he has his [20:29] <gryffindelle> hi redhead [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hi redhead [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> unless he was arming beings that don't already have wands [20:29] <Theoriser> maybe he did, just to make sure that nobody else on the other side could get any more ollivander wands [20:29] <Aislinn> I think he could give them to goblins, nymph [20:30] <futureweasley> there's also a question of whether or not Ollivander is an expert legimans [20:30] <fawkes28> perhaps or voldemort wants to experiment with the wands [20:30] <Aislinn> or other creatures that are not lawfully allowed to have them [20:30] <Whisperwing> He seems somewhat more than human, with those strange eyes of his.... [20:30] <gryffindelle> i think that he, and his wands are hidden somewhere in hogwarts [20:30] <nympheart> I think the goblins are more inclined toward the Order [20:30] <futureweasley> how does he know so well what wand will choose the wizard? [20:30] <nympheart> LV tried to rob their vaults and didn't get caught [20:30] <Whisperwing> The wand knows. [20:30] <Whisperwing> Not Ollivander. [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> but I wonder what types he knows to make [20:30] <gryffindelle> *ollivander [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> do you think it was Ollivander that gave Harry the prickles on his neck or someone hiding in the shop? [20:30] <futureweasley> but he's the orchestrator...there are thousands of wands in his shop [20:31] <nympheart> I think it was the presence of so much magic [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was the wand on the cushioon DD [20:31] <gryffindelle> someone hiding in the shop [20:31] <futureweasley> and he usually gets it in the first couple tries [20:31] <fawkes28> i think it was ollivander [20:31] <nympheart> just like in the cave [20:31] <Aislinn> I think it was the huge amounts of magical objects(wands) in the shop, DD [20:31] <gryffindelle> hmm... [20:31] <gryffindelle> or just the magical presence [20:32] <Whisperwing> Well, soulmates aren't put together by other people, they just find eachother, and I think that's the way it is with wands too. [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you feel is the significance (if any) to Ollivander selling Neville the last wand before his disappearance? [20:32] <nympheart> It wasn't the last was it? Just one of them? [20:32] <Whisperwing> What if Neville's wand was the one in the window? [20:32] <futureweasley> well, we know from GoF that Harry and LV can't do battle because their wands won't fight each other [20:32] <Aislinn> it was suggested that it was the last [20:32] <nympheart> but i think it foreshadowes Neville demonstrating power [20:32] <Aislinn> Ollivander disappeared that day or the next [20:32] <fawkes28> well what matters is that he has his own wand now [20:33] <Whisperwing> It was his last sale before his disappearance, that doesn't mean he's not making any more. [20:33] <futureweasley> yes, Fawkes...that's a good point [20:33] <mollywobbles23> They can't do battle if they cast a spell at the same time. Voldemort was able to put the Crucio curse on Harry easily [20:33] <futureweasley> it happened to Ron, too...using Bill or Charlies "old" wand at first [20:33] <Aislinn> I don't think it was the one in the window, WW, but I think he now has one that is suited to him [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Nevlles wand is Unicorn and the other 2 are Phoeix cores [20:33] <nympheart> I agree, Aislinn [20:33] <Aislinn> he was using his father's before that, and it probably prevented him from doing his best magic [20:33] <Theoriser> I think it gives Neville something to be happy about, because he feels proud to have got the last one before he disappeared [20:33] <futureweasley> right Molly...that's what I meant...they can't "duel [20:33] <futureweasley> " [20:34] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [20:34] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [20:34] <futureweasley> I think Ollivander planned it that way...he got Neville what he needed, then feld [20:34] <fawkes28> so do you think voldemort got another wand so that he and harry can duel? [20:34] <gryffindelle> internet problems [20:34] <Aislinn> I wonder if Neville and his grandmother saw anything that could be helpful in knowing what happened to Ollivander? [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think LV would give up his wand [20:34] <nympheart> I think LV wants to keep his own wand [20:34] <futureweasley> that's the rub...did DE's get Ollivander, or did he leave? [20:35] <gryffindelle> he was hidden by the order, i think [20:35] <Redhead> does LV even know what happened when he and Harry dueled and the wands connected? [20:35] <Aislinn> I hope he was, gryff [20:35] <Theoriser> he could be hidden, I guess [20:35] <fawkes28> yes, but if he wants to keep his own wand then how would he expect to kill harry if it doesn't work against his voldie would need another wand [20:35] <futureweasley> I think so, Redhead [20:35] <Aislinn> that's a good question, redhead [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think there is something to Neville being one of the last wands sold [20:35] <Theoriser> someone could have been his secret keeper [20:35] <Aislinn> it definitely took him by surprise [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> if not Redhead, that's a good reason to take him [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> he is too important for that to be a coincidene [20:36] <Aislinn> its actually one of the reasons I'm afraid for Ollivander [20:36] <futureweasley> and for Jo to point that out...I think it's a big deal [20:36] <Aislinn> I think LV may have taken him in part to learn why that effect happened in the graveyard [20:36] <fawkes28> do you think that ollivander made neville's wand extra special, sooner? [20:36] <nympheart> LV won't kill Ollivander until he gets what he wants [20:36] <Aislinn> He wouldn't have known that his and Harry's wands were brothers [20:36] <futureweasley> yes, Aislinn, it's a definite possibility [20:36] <fawkes28> good point aislinn [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> no, but maybe there was somehting to it like if it got sold [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> like when he sold Hary his wand and wrote to DD about it [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> Wouldn't the DE's have damaged the place if they took Ollivander and stole all the wands? [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> seems there would've been some sort of commotion [20:37] <fawkes28> maybe, maybe not [20:37] <futureweasley> that's my thought, too, DumbleD [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe that particular wand being sold meant something [20:37] <Aislinn> depends on if they wanted to make a point, or wanted to make it look mysterious [20:37] <fawkes28> maybe they wanted didnt want to look suspicious [20:37] <futureweasley> the DE's were never much for properioty [20:37] <nympheart> I think LV would have wanted mystery [20:37] <Redhead> do you think Ollivander found out about the wands connecting and went into hiding so LV couldn't get another wand from him. I don't think LV knew Fawks gave the feather for Harry's wand. [20:37] <Aislinn> in what way, sooner? [20:37] <Whisperwing> Well how did Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlour look after his abduction? [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't know yet Aislinn, but its just a feeling I have [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> LV seems more of a direct actor to me [20:38] <Aislinn> I don't think he did either redhead [20:38] <futureweasley> I think he may have figured it out in the graveyard, redhead [20:38] <Aislinn> you think he would have recognized the priori incantatem for what it was, FW? [20:38] <gryffindelle> yes [20:38] <Aislinn> he seemed quite surprised by it [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, so why would Ollivander's place be neat and tidy, but Fortescue's was not? [20:38] <futureweasley> yes, Aislinn, I do [20:38] <nympheart> LV is a direct actor when he is sure of himself, I don't think he knew everything where his wand and harry's are concerned [20:39] <futureweasley> in hindsight, I think he understood [20:39] <gryffindelle> as much as we may hate him, he was still pretty smart, and curious [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they were searching for something in Florean's? [20:39] <Aislinn> I agree that after the fact, he would have tried to find out why it happened [20:39] <gryffindelle> think about the horcruxes [20:39] <futureweasley> no one has ever accused LV of being "dumb" about Magic...he understood in hindsight why he couldn't kill Harry at godric's hollow [20:39] <mollywobbles23> wasn't it destroyed? [20:39] *** mollywobbles23 left #lounge [] [20:39] <nympheart> what could be hidden in an ice cream shop? [20:39] <Whisperwing> WOnder what would be well-hidden in an ice cream parlor? [20:40] <fawkes28> why not? [20:40] <gryffindelle> florean fortescue, he might have important info [20:40] <futureweasley> Ravenclaw's Ice Cream Scoop! [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> well, what could be hidden in a old lay's attic, plenty [20:40] <gryffindelle> lol [20:40] <Aislinn> To me, fortescue's disappearance looked more like it was sending a message to the rest of the wizarding community [20:40] * Whisperwing giggles [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with Dumble debbie.... I think there is way more to Fortescue than meets the eye [20:40] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:40] <Whisperwing> That's got to be it! [20:40] *** Angelyka13 has joined #lounge [20:40] <Aislinn> trash the place to scare others - make them think that the DEs have the power [20:40] <nympheart> I don't think Fortescue was a random disapperance [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, intimidation is their strong suit [20:40] <futureweasley> no, either do I [20:40] <mollywobbles23> What did I miss? I lost connection. [20:40] <fawkes28> yes, maybe he wanted everyone to know he had fortescue but didnt wanted people to know about ollivander [20:40] <gryffindelle> I think he is hidden by the order, too [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Florean Fortescue's an interesting guy. Why does he take such a liking to Harry? And why does he know so much about Medieval Witch Burnings. What do you guys think of Florean in light of his disappearance in book 6? [20:41] <Redhead> LV seems to under estimate "good/pure things" He sees only evil and the wand thing may not have occured to him. [20:41] <nympheart> I always saw the free ice creams as a marketing strategy personally [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/a-z/f.html [20:41] <gryffindelle> I think that he has information that could be valuable to both sides [20:41] <Aislinn> I think that his name is interesting - that he may be related to the former headmaster [20:41] <Theoriser> well he seems like a nice guy giving Harry free ice cream [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> Maybe he's a historian and sees Harry as living history [20:41] <futureweasley> maybe the first headmaster after Gryffindor? [20:41] <gryffindelle> hmm... [20:42] <futureweasley> so he was in direct contact with the founders? [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a theory that he is an expert on the founders [20:42] <Aislinn> and he seems to have a lot of historical knowledge - maybe something important from the time of Grindelwald? [20:42] <nympheart> possible [20:42] <futureweasley> and knew personal details? [20:42] <Whisperwing> I like the Ravenclaw Ice Cream Scoop theory myself.... [20:42] <nympheart> lol [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> and may know about possible horcruxes [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> FW, I see where you're going [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> the ever present search for founders' objects [20:42] <futureweasley> but Grindelwald was much much later than the founders, right? [20:42] <fawkes28> yes, maybe he helped the grindelwald fight and retired to the ice cream business [20:42] <Aislinn> yes [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> Florean may have some family lore [20:42] <futureweasley> yes Dumbledebbie, exactly [20:42] <futureweasley> YES! [20:43] <nympheart> i like [20:43] <Whisperwing> Only about a hundred years before LV, right? [20:43] <Theoriser> yeah, I think so too [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> theres also a theory floating around that maybe he was related to the Flamels [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> and knew a lot from them [20:43] <futureweasley> that's exactly what I'm wondering...stories passed down from generation to generation [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> 'my great-great-grandfather told a story...' (like that) [20:43] <Aislinn> to what purpose though, FW? [20:43] <gryffindelle> hes related to somebody important [20:43] <Redhead> Was there something going on in the shop that wasn't apparent to the public when they came for ice cream but LV/death eaters found out. [20:43] <Aislinn> LV already had the artifacts from the founders that he used for the Horcruxes [20:43] <gryffindelle> for sure, its just who that im not sure about [20:44] <futureweasley> but Harry needs a link to find out what he used... [20:44] <Aislinn> if he needed Fortescue for that, he would have taken him the first time around, when he was making the Horcruxes [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but maybe LV doesn't want anybody else with that knowledge around to tell DD or Harry [20:44] <nympheart> kind of like WWW, redhead? [20:44] <fawkes28> if voldemort has him then it has to be either related to the horcruxes, founders, or philosopher's stone...why else would he want him? [20:44] <gryffindelle> www? [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> Do you think LV would want to replace the horcruxes that have been destroyed? [20:44] <futureweasley> Tom Riddle had Borgin & Burkes...Harry has Fortescue [20:44] <Aislinn> took him to silence him? [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he would want his knowledge kept quiet [20:44] <futureweasley> Wize Wizard Wednesdays [20:44] <nympheart> Weasley's Wizard Weezes [20:44] <Aislinn> why wouldn't he just kill him? [20:44] <gryffindelle> oh [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, that's what I think [20:44] <fawkes28> but then there wouldnt be 7 horcruxes [20:44] <futureweasley> That's what I think, too [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> or.... he fled because he knew he would be a target [20:45] <fawkes28> and then the story would go on forever [20:45] <futureweasley> he's Harry's sure-fire link to the past...he had to o [20:45] <Aislinn> I don't think he fled [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> there aren't 7 hxs now, only 5 (we think) [20:45] <Aislinn> because of the condition of his shop [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope he did, but I agree with you that he didn't [20:45] <fawkes28> but there were 7 and since that is a magic number he wouldnt want to make more [20:45] <nympheart> right fawkes [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> hopefully VM can't make any more b/c he's shredded himself so badly [20:46] <Redhead> did they see what was going on with Rosmerta the imperious curse and wanted to escape before it happened them. [20:46] <Theoriser> unless he went to 12 tongue [20:46] <futureweasley> that's a difficult question that I don't fully understand [20:46] <nympheart> oh, not 12 [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Theo [20:46] <fawkes28> then i want a few more books smile [20:46] <futureweasley> he either made 6 and kept the 7th inside him [20:46] <futureweasley> or made 7 and kept the 8th? [20:46] <gryffindelle> 12? [20:46] <nympheart> the first [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> 6 and 7th was original body [20:46] <futureweasley> that's what I think, too [20:46] <Aislinn> If LV took him for information, it would have to be information that would be useful to him now [20:47] <fawkes28> do we think he is going to put one of the men under the imperius curse? [20:47] <Theoriser> I think Dumbledore has said that he only made 6, because the 7th piece was inside him [20:47] <gryffindelle> brb [20:47] <Aislinn> which doesn't seem like it would be artifacts for Horcrux - something else [20:47] <Aislinn> just not sure whaht [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Is there a family connection between Fortescue the ex-Headmaster and Florean? [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> Is Florean a member of the Order? [20:47] <nympheart> yup [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> could have info there [20:47] <nympheart> i think so [20:47] <Theoriser> I think there's definately a connection [20:47] <futureweasley> I think there is no denying that there is a family connection [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> surely after the Mark Evans fiasco, there is a connection [20:48] <Aislinn> I think that he is a descendant [20:48] <Theoriser> do you think that Florean could be useful in following the line of the founders? [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> So Fortescue is a bit less common than 'Evans'? [20:48] <nympheart> lhe knows a lot about history [20:48] <fawkes28> he could [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an interesting question Theoriser [20:48] <futureweasley> yes, because Jo ki-boshed the Mark Evans thing [20:48] <Aislinn> why the founders? [20:48] <nympheart> DD hinted about hiding someone, maybe it was Fortescue and Harry can find him [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy's obsessed [20:48] <fawkes28> voldemort shows great interest in those related to the founders [20:48] <Aislinn> to objects related to them [20:49] <fawkes28> when nymph? [20:49] <Aislinn> which he already has [20:49] <nympheart> right before he dies [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> see, I know a lot of people think that DD was referrng to other things, but I think the hiding comment has to do with either of the shopowners [20:49] <futureweasley> yes, and we have never been shown that LV has an obsession with anything other than the founder and Harry [20:49] <Aislinn> to Draco [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> to Draco on the tower [20:49] <Aislinn> his obsession is with being immortal and gaining power [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> but if one of them was whom DD was referring shouldn't everyone *think* that person is dead? [20:50] <mollywobbles23> Why would Voldemort think that Fortescue knew anything about anything, though. He doesn't strike me as the type to have frequented an ice cream parlour and talk to the owner when he was younger. The only reason could be is that Voldemort made a connection with Florean and the former headmaster, whether it was true or not. [20:50] <Aislinn> the founders help him achieve the one, and Harry is interfering with the other [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> there is so much we don't know about this mysterious guy [20:50] <Aislinn> I think everybody does think that fortescue is dead, DD [20:50] * futureweasley confesses herself confused [20:50] <Angelyka13> in the magical world of harry potter there is a section on florean [20:50] <nympheart> DD would let people draw their own conclusions, he wouldn't directly say someone is dead [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> and we wouldnt even be thinking twice about him if he had not disappeared [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> so why no body? [20:51] <nympheart> remember Slughorn setting up his "death?" it reminds me of that [20:51] <fawkes28> they must still be alive [20:51] <fawkes28> yes, nymph [20:51] <mollywobbles23> They never found Bertha Jorkin's body either. [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> give some poor Stan Shunpike some Florean-lace polyjuice, then kill him and everyone thinks Florean is dead [20:51] <nympheart> true molly [20:52] <futureweasley> periwinkle [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> hehe [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> what?? poison Stan? [20:52] <nympheart> that's a bit mean [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> Slughorn splattered blood about at least [20:52] <Redhead> maybe the Order has a underground set up to hide people that LV could use for power to gain more control. And they have put them into hidding for safty. [20:52] <gryffindelle> noooo [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> Sooner, poison some unsuspecting person and make it look like someone else is dead is what I meant [20:52] <gryffindelle> thats likely, or that they were actually order members, and are hiding in grimmuald place [20:52] <fawkes28> but if voldemort wants to find someone, he usually does [20:53] <Aislinn> I think that could be true with Ollivander, redhead, but I'm less optimistic about fortescue [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Does the fact that Fortescue seem to know so much about medeival times mean that he may have more knowlege on the founders than anybody else? [20:53] <gryffindelle> no if theyre unplottable [20:53] <gryffindelle> yes [20:53] <Angelyka13> no.. its a link to his namesakes past [20:53] <mollywobbles23> Maybe we're looking at this all backwards. Maybe Ollivander disappeared on his own, the DEs saw Florean in Diagon Alley after they found Ollivander's empty, thought he might know where Ollivander is, and took him and destroyed his shop. [20:53] <nympheart> yup [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I personally think there is a connection [20:53] <futureweasley> like I said...I think there is family lure passed down [20:53] <futureweasley> a very definite connection possibility [20:53] <Angelyka13> fortescues are well known in english history. [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> does Florean know some secret about Hogwarts Castle? something no one else knows? [20:53] <Aislinn> that's a possibility molly [20:53] <nympheart> fw has me convinced [20:54] <futureweasley> YAY! A convert! [20:54] <fawkes28> a damily lure having to do with what, future? [20:54] <Aislinn> do we know when fortescue was Headmaster? [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> what secret would Florean know? [20:54] <futureweasley> information about each of the founders, as Fortescue became headmaster [20:54] <Angelyka13> John Fortescue was a chencellor to the queen of england and circa 1563 he was in charge of enforcing the witchcraft laws [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> I dunno, that castle's always sprouting secrets [20:55] <futureweasley> no, the Lexicon doesn't have it posted [20:55] <nympheart> interesting angel [20:55] <gryffindelle> he could have been hogwarts headmaster in jk's world [20:55] <gryffindelle> angelyak [20:55] <gryffindelle> *angelyka [20:55] <fawkes28> well maybe harry can get some answers but talking to his potrait [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> but would he? [20:56] <fawkes28> dumbledore is there [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> can Harry get in to the office now? [20:56] <Redhead> I think Florean may know more about Horgwarts if he was into the medevil history. It seems that no one know "everything" about the school. So is LV looking at other ways of closing the scool or taking it over for evil. [20:56] <fawkes28> im sure he wants to talk to him [20:56] <nympheart> i don't think the portraits will be a whole lot of help [20:56] <Aislinn> if McGonagall lets him in [20:56] *** mollywobble has joined #lounge [20:56] <fawkes28> she will [20:56] <futureweasley> Fortescue will be one of the portraits in McG's office [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> we don't know that McGonagall will be headmistress [20:56] <Angelyka13> im sure Harry doesnt have to be in hogwarts to see a portrait of Dumbledore [20:56] <futureweasley> he could be an asset [20:57] <mollywobbles23> I'm pretty sure she will be, DD [20:57] <Aislinn> I think LV is definitely maneuvering to take over the school, redhead [20:57] <gryffindelle> she will be, i think, dd [20:57] <mollywobbles23> She was deputy headmistress, after all. [20:57] <fawkes28> harry should carry a portait of DD around lol [20:57] <futureweasley> she is, already [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> not if Lucius has anything to say about it [20:57] <Aislinn> and yes, thinking that fortescue has information to help with that is an interesting thought! [20:57] <fawkes28> isnt he in jail? [20:57] <futureweasley> he can't say anything, he's in azkaban [20:57] <Angelyka13> I dont think lucius has any say from azkaban [20:57] <Theoriser> lucius is in azkaban [20:57] <nympheart> lucius is in prison and doesn't have anything to say ab out it [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> good point [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> well, some other VM stoogie with bribes on the school governors board [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think the fate is of Florean Fortescue and Mr. Ollivander? Dead or Alive? [20:58] <mollywobble> So what have we discussed so far about fortescue? [20:58] <mollywobbles23> How long will Lucius stay in prison, though? I'm pretty sure there will be another breakout, unless the Ministry has seriously improved imprisonment. [20:58] <nympheart> i think they're alive [20:58] <nympheart> at the moment [20:58] <fawkes28> alive but they may not make it till the end [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, alive (for now) [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly can't decide [20:58] *** mollywobble has quit [Bye] [20:58] <Aislinn> I think that they are alive, but I think Fortescue is being held by LV [20:58] <futureweasley> I think Fortescue could already be dead, but Ollivander has the best chance of being alive [20:58] <Angelyka13> i believe alive for now [20:58] <Aislinn> and Ollivander is being hidden [20:58] <futureweasley> right Aislinn... [20:58] <Aislinn> by the good side [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> logic tells me that Fortescue is probably dead and Ollivander alive, but who knows [20:59] <fawkes28> i think they will offer us some help but i don't think that will play a MAJOR role in the 7th book [20:59] <nympheart> I agree fawkes [20:59] <Angelyka13> maybe voldemort wants to know how harry likes his ice cream? that could be valuable info [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> did VM know that Florean had spent a lot of time talking to Harry? [20:59] <futureweasley> yes, fawkes, I would have to agree [20:59] <Theoriser> I agree fawkes, but I think at least one of them will play a minor role [20:59] <Aislinn> the only reason I don't think he is, sooner, is that they could have just left his body in his shop [20:59] *** mollywobble has joined #lounge [21:00] <Aislinn> the way they did Amelia Bones [21:00] <Redhead> I think they both could be alive. either in hidding or alive only as they are useful to LV in his quest to take over Hogwarts. [21:00] <nympheart> I don't know if LV would know, but why would he care? [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he didn't want a secret of Florean's himself, maybe he wanted info about Harry [21:00] <fawkes28> oh, i agree with that theo [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I gree Aislinn [21:00] <nympheart> I don't think Fortescue would be the best source of info about harry [21:00] <nympheart> not when LV can see inside his head [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> so therefore I have hope for him [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> maybe not bbest, but maybe most accessible [21:00] *** mollywobble has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Aislinn> why would he think that fortescue has any info. on Harry? [21:01] *** Mullen has joined #lounge [21:01] <gryffindelle> I think that they're both still alive [21:01] <futureweasley> nympheart...that's like saying Dumbledore is a bad source of info...Harry has to know something...it doesn't really matter who it comes from...LV could see anything he wanted anyway [21:01] <Aislinn> hi mullen [21:01] <Mullen> hi all [21:01] <Angelyka13> perhaps voldemort wants fortescue to know how to get the muggles up in arms again? [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Which of the 2 disappearances do you think will be the most significant? [21:01] <Redhead> hi mullen [21:01] <DumbleDebbie> oo, good question [21:01] <fawkes28> hey mullen [21:02] <futureweasley> Ollivander...I think [21:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Mullen [21:02] <DumbleDebbie> i dont' know [21:02] <Aislinn> Ollivander is my guess [21:02] <nympheart> Ollivander [21:02] <Mullen> ollivander for me too [21:02] <fawkes28> yes mine too [21:02] <Aislinn> his skills as a wand maker are vital [21:02] <gryffindelle> fortescue [21:02] <Angelyka13> fortescue [21:02] <DumbleDebbie> LOL, since everyone's saying Ollivander, it'll probably be Florean [21:02] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [21:02] <Aislinn> wars need weapon makers [21:02] <Theoriser> I'm going to be the odd one out and say fortescue [21:02] <futureweasley> devil's advocate, gryffindelle? laugh [21:02] <nympheart> likely Dumbledebbie [21:02] <SoonerGryffindor> we all need ice cream [21:02] <DumbleDebbie> that's how Jo operates [21:02] <fawkes28> do you think that ollivander has any of the founders' wands? [21:02] <Aislinn> wizards can have their wands broken and need them replaced [21:02] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [21:02] <Theoriser> but only because he's mentioned so much in passing [21:02] <Islwyn13> eek! [21:02] <Islwyn13> I almost forgort about the chat! [21:02] <futureweasley> hi Islwyn! [21:02] <Theoriser> hi islwyn [21:02] <Redhead> ollivander his expertise at wand making. could LV use him to make more powerful wands for the deatheaters? [21:03] <Islwyn13> Heya, guys! [21:03] <Mullen> hi islwyn [21:03] <fawkes28> hey islwyn [21:03] <Angelyka13> ollivander is quite obviouse for what he can contribute to vold... fortescue is still somewhat unkown [21:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hi islwyn [21:03] <Aislinn> hi islwyn! [21:03] <gryffindelle> he has info, ollivander only has wands [21:03] <Aislinn> that's my fear redhead [21:03] <nympheart> Ollivander has info too [21:03] <gryffindelle> exactly angelyka [21:03] <futureweasley> and I don't think that Ollivander could make "super wands"...because the wand chooses the wizard [21:03] <Mullen> maybe it's something to do with the wand cores [21:03] <nympheart> I agree FW [21:03] <DumbleDebbie> if Ollivander is being forced to make wands for VM, could he manufacture flaws in them? is he stong enough of mind to do that and get away with it? [21:04] <gryffindelle> and usually people that we know little about but have something big happen to them end up being very important [21:04] <Aislinn> VM?? [21:04] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [21:04] <futureweasley> hi Severine! [21:04] <fawkes28> i was thinking about the unicorn that he killed and if ollivander used that core to give to voldemort [21:04] <gryffindelle> i dont think so, DD [21:04] <Aislinn> hey severine! [21:04] <Islwyn13> we're talking about post HBP predictions, right? [21:04] <futureweasley> yes [21:04] <Angelyka13> hmm... core of unicorn blood? [21:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hi severine [21:04] <DumbleDebbie> could Ollivander put flaws in Aislinn [21:04] <SeverineSnape> Good morning all! [21:04] <Redhead> not if he's under the imperious curse. look how DD was betrade by Rosemerta [21:04] <fawkes28> no unicorn tail [21:04] <nympheart> Afternoon for me [21:04] <Aislinn> yes, specifically diagon alley shopkeepers, ISL [21:05] <Angelyka13> but thats not uncommon [21:05] <Islwyn13> can i just add something that I just read in GoF? [21:05] <Islwyn13> It's what reminded me about the chat ;) [21:05] <SoonerGryffindor> of course [21:05] <Aislinn> sure [21:05] <Islwyn13> "Powers you never knew you had, and what to do with them now you've wized up" [21:05] <Islwyn13> one of the books Harry was trying to find the second task solution in [21:05] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting [21:05] <nympheart> That book reminds me of Harry [21:05] <Islwyn13> Just reinforces what Jo said aobut Harry having all he needs to defeat LV [21:05] <DumbleDebbie> cute [21:06] <Islwyn13> kk, that's all, sorry *blushes* [21:06] <futureweasley> good one, Islwyn [21:06] <SoonerGryffindor> [21:06] <Mullen> I think Voldy may want to know what happened between the wands in GOF [21:06] <Islwyn13> but ollivander and fortescue, right... [21:06] <Angelyka13> thats a good point mullen [21:06] <nympheart> right [21:06] <Islwyn13> He knows what happened, but he'll want to know a way around it [21:06] <fawkes28> which could be another downfall [21:07] <Mullen> did he know Harry had the same core [21:07] <Islwyn13> I dont' think he would have nabbed Ollivander to make him a new wand this late in the game [21:07] <Islwyn13> if he nabbed Ollivander at all [21:07] <SoonerGryffindor> So, we see in HBP that the peruvian darkness powder is used by DE's to gain entrance into Hogwarts, what other potential WWW products could be manipulated by the DEs to help in their fight against the Order [21:07] <Redhead> don't think so [21:07] <Islwyn13> He would now, though, I bet [21:07] <Aislinn> I don't think he knew why it happened, isl, at least not in the graveyard [21:07] <futureweasley> pygmy puffs [21:07] <Islwyn13> since that's what makes Priori Incantatem happen [21:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol FW [21:07] <DumbleDebbie> hopefully none, the twins should see to that [21:07] <Aislinn> he would have had no way of knowing that he and Harry's wand were brothers [21:07] <futureweasley> seriously...they could be [21:07] <nympheart> I would like the pygmy puffs to do something [21:07] <SoonerGryffindor> attack of the killer pygmy puffs [21:08] <futureweasley> yes! [21:08] <nympheart> but not for the DEs [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> like tribbles? [21:08] <fawkes28> they need to be careful of who they sell to [21:08] <Islwyn13> unless he recognized Priori Incantatem, like DD did after it was described to him [21:08] <futureweasley> dead pygmy puff inferi [21:08] <Islwyn13> LV is very knowlegeable too. [21:08] <Islwyn13> LOL, FW [21:08] <futureweasley> it would be horrible [21:08] <mollywobbles23> those decoy detonators [21:08] <Mullen> but not on practicle stuff [21:08] <fawkes28> i think that one of their products could help fight against the DEs and LV [21:08] *** mollywobbles23 left #lounge [] [21:08] <Angelyka13> omg im sorry this is off topic but my neighbor is doing vocal training and im going insane!!! [21:08] <SoonerGryffindor> what about those decoy detonators? [21:08] <futureweasley> the decoy detonators...what were they?! [21:08] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [21:08] <DumbleDebbie> that'd be great fawkes [21:08] <Whisperwing> Little babombs [21:08] <Islwyn13> they wobble around, and then explode, I think [21:08] <Aislinn> I think that their products will be of more use to the order and the ministry than to the DE's [21:08] <SoonerGryffindor> we saw them, and I was thinking they would come into play, but they never did [21:08] <mollywobbles23> The decoy detonators [21:09] <Angelyka13> i can picture the twins coming up with some good stuff for the order... or even just the trio [21:09] <Aislinn> the fact that Draco happened to use one, doesn't mean that they are going to be routinely selling to the dark side [21:09] <DumbleDebbie> I don't even remember that, oy [21:09] <futureweasley> yes mw23, we are wondering how they will come into play [21:09] <mollywobbles23> I think the twins are going to be more careful about whom they sell their products to [21:09] <Islwyn13> they could wobble away from Harry et al, and explode away from them, creating a distraction [21:09] <Angelyka13> i dont think to many de's are going to be in their store in the near future [21:09] <Aislinn> right molly [21:09] <Islwyn13> The twins sell via mail order... [21:09] <fawkes28> they may invent something new to help the order [21:09] <Islwyn13> hard to discover who is actually buying their products [21:09] <Aislinn> I bet he will use them in the next book - the decoys [21:09] <Islwyn13> unless they quit that service [21:09] <futureweasley> that should stop... [21:09] <fawkes28> they should stop mail order [21:09] <nympheart> I think they will Fawkes [21:10] <SoonerGryffindor> well, they already are making a whole line of defense products [21:10] <SoonerGryffindor> for the MoM [21:10] <futureweasley> yes fawkes...I agree [21:10] <fawkes28> like some love product lol [21:10] <DumbleDebbie> good point Sooner [21:10] <Aislinn> I just don't see JKR making that a big plot point - that F&G undermine the effort [21:10] <futureweasley> Ramilda Vane...lol [21:10] <nympheart> I think Harry may have something to say about those love potions... [21:10] <Aislinn> its much more likely that their products will help the Order [21:10] <DumbleDebbie> so they've been doing a lot of R&D along those lines (defense) [21:10] <Islwyn13> agreed...Ron said he was going to talk to Fred and George about who they sell their stuff to [21:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fawkes..... DD did say that love is the power that LV knows not [21:10] <Islwyn13> I think they'll be much more careful now [21:10] <futureweasley> is it safe to assume that F&G have lots of money now? [21:11] <nympheart> yup [21:11] <Islwyn13> yep [21:11] <Angelyka13> id say so [21:11] <fawkes28> yes, they better be careful [21:11] <nympheart> they were wearing dragon hide jackets [21:11] <fawkes28> or they are next on the list [21:11] <futureweasley> would it be out of line to think they'd close to everyone but order members? [21:11] <gryffindelle> someone will force-feed lv love potion, which will kill him [21:11] <gryffindelle> lol [21:11] <Islwyn13> but they'll give stuff to Harry et al that will be VERY helpful, I'm thinking [21:11] <Islwyn13> No, FW, I think that's reasonable [21:11] <Aislinn> they already have - all those shield clothes they were selling to the ministry [21:11] <Mullen> they may just stop selling some things publicly [21:11] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think they'd close FW, unless business was bad [21:12] <Aislinn> I think they'll continue to develop defensive products [21:12] <gryffindelle> i doubt it fw, they are still trying to make money [21:12] <Islwyn13> Well, we are in a war now [21:12] <DumbleDebbie> the regular peeps need help too [21:12] <futureweasley> I think they are going to get it from all sides about the darkness powder... [21:12] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [21:12] <SoonerGryffindor> is it about money now? or helping out? [21:12] <Islwyn13> but how do you know who's under the Imperius Curse? [21:12] <Redhead> they have to be careful or disappear themselves [21:12] <gryffindelle> a www love potion will kill LV lol [21:12] <Islwyn13> Theyknow that's a weakness [21:12] <Islwyn13> Anyone could be working for the DE's [21:12] <fawkes28> you don't which stinks [21:12] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they'll modify their product line [21:12] <futureweasley> and they will see that their role in the order should be to provide some help and assistance through their products [21:12] <Islwyn13> unless they have a way of detecting the imperius curse we don't know about [21:12] <nympheart> except love potions don't have anything to do with love, it's obsession [21:12] <fawkes28> don't they have a security question? [21:12] <Islwyn13> agreed, nymph [21:13] <Islwyn13> that won't be it [21:13] <futureweasley> Sooner, I think it's about helping...but they'd still have to fund their product development and research [21:13] <gryffindelle> ok [21:13] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they'll sell protetive stuff and innocuous stuff and develop more powerful tools just for the Order [21:13] <Islwyn13> not for Billy Bob who walks in and says he wants some of that powder for his family's safety [21:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how JKR gave us a things hidden in plain sight when they made those hats that disappeared the persons head [21:13] <Redhead> they could work undercover for the Order and pretend to just sell joke stuff. [21:13] <futureweasley> that was really cool [21:13] <gryffindelle> but LV would die if he became obsessed with, say, bellatrix [21:13] <Islwyn13> that's possible, Redhead [21:13] <futureweasley> no more invisibility cloak nightmares...they can all be invisible [21:13] <Islwyn13> So would I, gryff! [21:14] <Islwyn13> Yuk! [21:14] <fawkes28> i dont think a love potion would work on him [21:14] <nympheart> Bella's married, her husband might be a bit upset [21:14] <fawkes28> he's too powerful [21:14] <DumbleDebbie> do you think they could boost that hat to work for a whole body? [21:14] <Islwyn13> true, he could probably counter a love potion [21:14] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [21:14] <gryffindelle> me too [21:14] <Islwyn13> it's too easy, anyway, it can't be the answer [21:14] <gryffindelle> , isl [21:14] <nympheart> I wonder what he'd think the love potion felt like though [21:14] <Islwyn13> besides, it might make whoever consumed the potion even more dangerous... [21:14] <Islwyn13> Ron slugged Harry under its effects [21:14] <Redhead> I don't think LV eats or drinks, with the new body. [21:15] <DumbleDebbie> I think you have to have the capacity for compassion for a love potion to have any effect [21:15] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [21:15] <Islwyn13> lol [21:15] <nympheart> really, redhead This post has been edited by Theoriser: Aug 28 2006, 05:13 AM |
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