Post-prince Predictions Chat Transcript, 9/3/06, Lily Evans Potter |
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Today’s chat moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, futureweasley, SoonerGryffindor, and Theoriser
[14:57] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [14:57] *** Topic is: Lily Evans Potter [15:00] <futureweasley> ok, Snuffles, no messing around today, okay? [15:01] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [15:01] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:01] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [15:01] <futureweasley> hi guys! [15:01] <Aislinn> hi folks! [15:02] <Theoriser> hi everyone [15:02] <harryfreak359> hey! [15:02] <Siobhan4hp> hi! [15:02] <Expelliarmas> hellow everyone [15:02] <Theoriser> how are you all? [15:02] <harryfreak359> good [15:02] <Siobhan4hp> I'm good [15:03] *** Breanna has joined #lounge [15:03] <harryfreak359> still trying to do my spanish homework...I didn't get very far yesterday, the chat was too interesting [15:03] <harryfreak359> smile [15:03] <Expelliarmas> make a friend with a Spanish speaker, you'r e homework will fly [15:03] <Siobhan4hp> I'm listening to Mugglecast [15:03] <Siobhan4hp> XD [15:03] <harryfreak359> yeah, that would be a good idea, expel [15:03] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [15:03] <Breanna> Hi all! [15:04] <gryffindelle> hey [15:04] <harryfreak359> except I don't know anyone [15:04] <Aislinn> hi breanna! [15:04] <harryfreak359> hi! [15:04] <Breanna> i can't believe I'm here on time! [15:04] <futureweasley> hi Bre, gryffin [15:04] <Expelliarmas> Actually, you do ... [15:04] <Breanna> woot! [15:04] <futureweasley> WOOT! [15:04] <Aislinn> and gryff! [15:04] <harryfreak359> I do? [15:04] <futureweasley> no Fawkes28 today, I can woot all I want! [15:04] <Expelliarmas> yep [15:04] <gryffindelle> how is everyone today? [15:04] <harryfreak359> lol [15:04] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [15:04] <harryfreak359> Woot! [15:04] <futureweasley> hey there AEN [15:04] * Expelliarmas Houston, we have cognition! [15:04] <Aislinn> hi AEN [15:04] <gryffindelle> hi AWN [15:04] <An_Eternal_Night> Hello everyone! [15:04] <gryffindelle> lol [15:05] <harryfreak359> had to at least use woot, once [15:05] <Breanna> i'm super today... i was supposed to go on vacation [15:05] <An_Eternal_Night> hahaha [15:05] <Breanna> but hubbers and i stayed home [15:05] <harryfreak359> so expel, do you speak spanish? [15:05] <Expelliarmas> well a CB chat is almost like taking a trip [15:05] <Breanna> i speak spanish [15:05] <futureweasley> awww, sometimes that can be even MORE fun than vacation! [15:05] <Breanna> true [15:05] <Expelliarmas> Native Spanish speaker [15:05] * futureweasley no hablo espanol [15:06] <Breanna> i'm not native, but i'm a spanish major [15:06] <harryfreak359> the chats are better than a vacation [15:06] <Siobhan4hp> I can't speak spanish, I've never learnt it [15:06] * Theoriser can only do french [15:06] <futureweasley> lol Jenn [15:06] <Breanna> that's good...i've never acutally been through a whole one! [15:06] * An_Eternal_Night needs to learn another language [15:06] <Breanna> i speak chinese as well [15:06] * harryfreak359 is just learning spanish [15:06] <Siobhan4hp> I learnt fremch and german, and I now a bit of irish, but that's it [15:06] <gryffindelle> does anyone speak japanese? [15:07] <harryfreak359> not yet... [15:07] <Breanna> nope...just chinese and spanish (and english duh) [15:07] <harryfreak359> one day hopefully! [15:07] <An_Eternal_Night> sadly, no [15:07] <gryffindelle> or hebrew [15:07] <harryfreak359> no [15:07] <Expelliarmas> nope, my languages are limited to Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese [15:07] <Expelliarmas> well, and English [15:07] * futureweasley dice "Da me sus dinero" [15:07] <Breanna> limited...lol! [15:07] <Siobhan4hp> I only just know english [15:08] <Aislinn> me too, siobhan [15:08] <harryfreak359> I can sort of do ASL [15:08] <futureweasley> ok, that's the extent of my Spanish [15:08] <harryfreak359> not very well mind you [15:08] <Breanna> lol [15:08] <Aislinn> although I took 2 languages in school, I'm not fluent in anything else [15:08] <Expelliarmas> FW, remind me to teach a few more useful phrases [15:08] <An_Eternal_Night> I know very basic Spanish [15:08] <gryffindelle> what languages [15:08] <gryffindelle> ? [15:08] <harryfreak359> I took a few years of it [15:08] <futureweasley> Donde else el bano? [15:08] <Aislinn> Russian and French [15:08] <An_Eternal_Night> when I say very, I mean VERY [15:08] <Siobhan4hp> I know american english too, just add u's to words and a few other differences in words, then there you go [15:09] <harryfreak359> lol [15:09] <Breanna> add u's? [15:09] <Siobhan4hp> correction: youu get rid of the U's [15:09] <Aislinn> you all add u's [15:09] <Expelliarmas> nah, we take away the extra "u"s [15:09] <Breanna> lol [15:09] <Aislinn> biggrin [15:09] * Siobhan4hp is dumb [15:09] <harryfreak359> yeah we get rid of the u's [15:09] * futureweasley doesn't believe that Siobhan4hp is dumb at all [15:09] <gryffindelle> that's only written, though [15:09] <Breanna> color=colour flavor=flavour [15:09] <Breanna> right? smile [15:09] <Siobhan4hp> I add the U's, americans get rid of tthe u's, okay I remeber that [15:09] <harryfreak359> yeah [15:09] *** miss_danielle has joined #lounge [15:10] <Siobhan4hp> I'm confused today [15:10] <miss_danielle> hey everyone smile [15:10] <harryfreak359> hi danielle! [15:10] <An_Eternal_Night> hi miss_danielle! [15:10] <gryffindelle> hi danielle [15:10] <Breanna> oh herro [15:10] <miss_danielle> hello smile [15:10] <harryfreak359> ahh, join the club, if it wasn't for this chat, I wouldn't know what day it is [15:10] <Breanna> haha [15:10] <gryffindelle> lol [15:11] <Breanna> i'm pink now [15:11] <harryfreak359> how is your mouth doing, MJ? [15:11] <Breanna> or is orange better? [15:11] <Breanna> :D [15:11] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, not a god thing remembering the day sometimes, I've just relised I've got school in a few days. [15:11] <harryfreak359> lol [15:11] <Siobhan4hp> *good [15:11] <Siobhan4hp> *realised [15:11] <An_Eternal_Night> I started school last Wednesday [15:11] <Breanna> i just had my first week of class [15:11] <gryffindelle> I start school on tuesday, and I still have two more books to read, and a test to study for [15:11] <harryfreak359> uh-oh [15:11] <Breanna> i have a TON of reading to do! [15:12] * Siobhan4hp hates school [15:12] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:12] <gryffindelle> but I came here anyway [15:12] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:12] <Theoriser> I start back this tuesday too [15:12] <An_Eternal_Night> lol we're glad [15:12] <Breanna> Olive green [15:12] <Breanna> is a good color for me smile [15:12] <harryfreak359> I am having problems already [15:12] * Siobhan4hp is happy [15:12] <An_Eternal_Night> sorry harryfreak [15:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [15:13] * Siobhan4hp is now sad [15:13] <Breanna> i ate a really good peach today [15:13] <miss_danielle> I've gotta start university in a few weeks, i'm gonna miss school [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone! [15:13] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Sooner! [15:13] <Aislinn> hi Sooner! [15:13] <Breanna> hiyee [15:13] <harryfreak359> hi sooner! [15:13] <miss_danielle> hey sooner! [15:13] <gryffindelle> hi sooner [15:13] <Breanna> is sooner as in oklahoma... [15:13] <Siobhan4hp> I'm watching MAsters football, it's in the background and my team was winning and now were drawing. sad [15:14] * harryfreak359 is sad for siobhan [15:14] <Breanna> i got sunburned at my college fb game yesterday [15:14] <Breanna> ***pokes skin** [15:14] <harryfreak359> I hate sunburn [15:14] <Siobhan4hp> No were losing [15:14] <miss_danielle> me too [15:14] * Siobhan4hp is very sad now [15:14] <harryfreak359> sad [15:14] <Expelliarmas> what college game was that Breanna [15:15] <Breanna> University of Wyoming [15:15] * SoonerGryffindor is very happy with college football at the moment [15:15] <harryfreak359> ahh [15:15] <Breanna> vs. Utah State [15:15] <Breanna> we regulated lol [15:15] <Expelliarmas> the Cowboys? [15:15] <harryfreak359> I don't really watch football [15:15] <Breanna> yep i'm a "poke" [15:15] <Expelliarmas> my team plays tomorrow night [15:15] <Breanna> *waves huge yellow cowboy hat [15:15] <Siobhan4hp> Newcastle: 4, Wolves: 3 [15:15] <Siobhan4hp> :( [15:15] <harryfreak359> but if I do, my team is Ohio state [15:15] <miss_danielle> Ah man i love Wolves [15:16] <futureweasley> the Buckeyes? NOOO! [15:16] <harryfreak359> lol [15:16] <harryfreak359> yep them [15:16] <harryfreak359> or the Sun Devils [15:16] <Expelliarmas> Here's hoping my boys get off to a quick start tomorrow [15:16] * futureweasley bleeds Green and White...a Spartan through and through [15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> lol FW [15:16] * Siobhan4hp is english therefore knows nothing about american football [15:16] <harryfreak359> or *hides from Sooner* texas state... [15:17] <Theoriser> !moderate [15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:17] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [15:17] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [15:17] <Theoriser> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:17] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:17] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:17] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [15:18] *** NoraConnerton has joined #lounge [15:18] <Expelliarmas> Today's Post-Prince Predictions Chat is about Lily Evans Potter: What is her secret? Which begs the question: what do we know about Lily? She was the caring and self-sacrificing mother of "the boy who lived", happily married to James Potter, sister to Mrs. Petunia Evans Dursley, a brilliant witch, and a kind human being. In the things we know about her, there are layers in which secrets can be revealed. So, let's talk Lily... [15:18] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [15:18] <Expelliarmas> To start off the discussion, what impression of Lily have people gotten from the small bits of information that JKR has provided? How would you describe her personality and character? [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I would say that Harry has a lot of her personality [15:18] <Aislinn> Lily is fascinating, as we know so little about her [15:18] <futureweasley> really Sooner? [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. I think he got James looks and Lily's personality [15:19] <Val_Halla> I agree, Sooner [15:19] <harryfreak359> she seems like a caring person, who has no problem standing up for what she believes in [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> for the most part [15:19] <Aislinn> She seems to be bright, warm hearted, and popular [15:19] <Breanna> lily seems to me to be a good student which isn't really harry at all [15:19] <miss_danielle> I always think that Lily is more accepting than Harry [15:19] <Breanna> ditto that [15:19] <Aislinn> I agree hf359 - she seems to have a feisty streak [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> well, a lot of Harry's problems with grades is he has had other things going on [15:19] <futureweasley> and James is more of the type to "toe the line", which I don't really get about Lily at all...I think that's very James [15:20] <Expelliarmas> I think we see a lot of perserverance in Harry which I think he got from Lily [15:20] <futureweasley> and James is more of the type to "toe the line", which I don't really get about Lily at all...I think that's very James [15:20] <Breanna> I think James and Lily both were brave and he got it from both [15:20] <gryffindelle> lagging... [15:21] <Breanna> r [15:21] <harryfreak359> I think harry has bit of both in him [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I love what little we get to see of her [15:21] <An_Eternal_Night> I got the impression that she was very mature, and extremely caring [15:21] <miss_danielle> yeh me too [15:21] <Val_Halla> Harry isn't as arrogant as James was at the same age [15:21] <harryfreak359> me too sooner [15:21] <NoraConnerton> I agree. Lily, as I see her, is always giving a hundred percent, even if she doesn't have anything to give [15:21] <Aislinn> what do you see that shows she has a lot of perserverence, expie? [15:21] <Expelliarmas> Slughorn said Lily was rather cheeky, I don't think Harry got that from her [15:21] <Aislinn> Harry can be pretty cheeky [15:21] <harryfreak359> yep [15:21] <futureweasley> oh, Harry can be cheeky [15:22] <gryffindelle> I think that although harry looks a lot like his father, he inherited his mother's eyes, and with it many aspects of her personality [15:22] <Aislinn> You don't have to call me Sir, Professor [15:22] <Theoriser> yes [15:22] <miss_danielle> i always get the feeling Lily was a real individual - not one to follow the crowd [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry can be very cheeky [15:22] <Expelliarmas> Growing up with the Dursleys and still not losing himself, how easy would it have been to be bitter? [15:22] <harryfreak359> definitely [15:22] <Breanna> I think she was caring, fiery, witty [15:22] <NoraConnerton> "You don't have to call me Sir, Professor" [15:22] <futureweasley> Aislinn, you are reading my mind again [15:22] <Aislinn> lol [15:22] <futureweasley> "you know me, Mrs. Weasley, I like the quiet life" [15:22] <harryfreak359> yeah [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think the toilets had anything as horrible as your head in it [15:22] <NoraConnerton> Yes, Harry is very cheeky [15:22] <harryfreak359> yeah again [15:22] <futureweasley> lol Sooner [15:23] <harryfreak359> he is very cheeky [15:23] <An_Eternal_Night> "Clearly, Hermione knows. Seems a pity not to ask her" [15:23] <miss_danielle> Lol [15:23] <harryfreak359> lol [15:23] <Expelliarmas> 1 point for cheek [15:23] <An_Eternal_Night> lol [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think that's definitely something he got from Lily [15:23] <futureweasley> I'd love to hear some of Lily's cheeky retorts [15:23] <harryfreak359> me too, future [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> me too FW [15:23] <miss_danielle> yeh me too [15:23] <Expelliarmas> especially as directed at Slughorn [15:24] <futureweasley> they say the apple never falls far from the tree [15:24] <NoraConnerton> I would love to hear a bit of her cheek [15:24] <Breanna> maybe we will got something fromt he pensieve [15:24] <Breanna> from slughorn? [15:24] <Aislinn> it would be nice to have a whole prequel, of the Maurauder's and Lily's time in school [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> especially since Sluggy still remembers it after 20 years [15:24] <An_Eternal_Night> that would be nice [15:24] <miss_danielle> i agree Aislinn [15:24] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [15:24] <Expelliarmas> Sadly, JKR says no prequel [15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I totally agree [15:24] <Aislinn> right [15:24] <harryfreak359> happy_crying [15:24] <NoraConnerton> I wish she would change her mind about that [15:24] <Theoriser> but she did also say that once she's done we won't need one [15:24] <harryfreak359> yeah true [15:24] <Theoriser> so I think we'll be finding out more about lily [15:25] <Breanna> definitely [15:25] <miss_danielle> I love the Maurauders though - id love one - even though i know she has said no [15:25] <Expelliarmas> What’s the significance in Lily’s eyes? We are reminded throughout the series that Harry has Lily’s eyes…why? [15:25] <Val_Halla> JKR is still young. She may change her mind 10 or 20 years down the line [15:25] <Breanna> maybe if we nag her enough! [15:25] <Aislinn> and didn't she hint in an interview that the eyes held some significance? [15:25] <gryffindelle> I think that its just to show that harry has a part of lily in him [15:25] <NoraConnerton> I often wonder if it's just a way to connect Harry to his mother, with his looks being so very James [15:26] <An_Eternal_Night> well, she has green eyes, like me! lol [15:26] <Breanna> did he have her eyes from birth or did something from the AK curse change them to be more like hers? [15:26] <Expelliarmas> I don't think we'll learn enough about the significance until 7. [15:26] <harryfreak359> I agree expel [15:26] <miss_danielle> i agree Expel [15:26] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [15:26] <Val_Halla> A hint that she had some unusual talent that he shares [15:26] <Theoriser> the only power I can think of that you use your eyes for is legilimency & occlumency [15:26] <miss_danielle> Wb Siobhan [15:26] <gryffindelle> hmm...,breanna [15:27] <Siobhan4hp> back again, my brother kicked me off the compputer [15:27] <gryffindelle> that would be very interesting [15:27] <Theoriser> yeah, it would [15:27] <An_Eternal_Night> lol, my brother does that too [15:27] <miss_danielle> so does mine lol [15:27] <Theoriser> it would show what dumbledore said about part of riddle being in him [15:27] <Breanna> i know.. [15:27] <Expelliarmas> siobhan, we're discussing the significance of Lily's eyes [15:27] <futureweasley> I think her eyes are the steadfast reminder to Snape (and maybe Voldemort) of what they've been through to get to where they are [15:27] <Siobhan4hp> Cool [15:28] <harryfreak359> yeah, future [15:28] <miss_danielle> i agree future [15:28] <Breanna> good point, but i think it has to be more than that [15:28] <futureweasley> the prophecy, how far they've come, and how far they have yet to go [15:28] <Expelliarmas> I thought the significance was that folks who knew Lily would recognize Harry because of the eyes. [15:28] <Siobhan4hp> I don't like the idea of Snape having any sorts of feelings for Lily though, sO I have to ddisagree with that [15:28] <Expelliarmas> Lupin and Slughorn recognized Harry more for Lily's eyes. [15:28] <Aislinn> I thought there was something more magical being hinted at [15:28] * harryfreak359 has no theories.... [15:28] <Theoriser> oh I don't like the snape theory either [15:28] <Breanna> it makes him more persuasive to people who did know him ie Slughorn [15:28] <Val_Halla> me too Aislinn [15:28] <An_Eternal_Night> that could be Aislinn [15:29] <harryfreak359> I thought so too aislinn [15:29] <futureweasley> like her eyes are reflectors? [15:29] <Breanna> yeah [15:29] <miss_danielle> but i think its more than that because people would recognise Harry because of James, whether he had Lily's eyes or not [15:29] <Breanna> windows to the soul... [15:29] <Aislinn> Breanna - I was just typing that! [15:29] <Breanna> about eyes, we do know that voldemort's changed [15:29] <Aislinn> biggrin [15:29] <Breanna> lol [15:29] <Siobhan4hp> Why can't we have snape as he is because he's a twisted git and not just because he may have had feelings for Lily? [15:30] <NoraConnerton> He may or may not have had feelings for Lily, but I'm not convinced Snape is evil or a twisted git. [15:30] <Breanna> it seems that wizard eyes are different than muggle eyes [15:30] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:30] <miss_danielle> Lol Snape pops up in every chat doesn't he smile [15:30] <Breanna> he's very important! [15:30] <Theoriser> I remember jo being asked if there was any sort of power that you used your eyes for [15:30] <miss_danielle> He is indeed [15:30] <Theoriser> and she said there was [15:30] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, ke kind of bores me, [15:31] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:31] <An_Eternal_Night> does anyone think the color has to do with anything? personally I don't but it's possible [15:31] <Aislinn> right, theoriser - I thought I remembered something like that too [15:31] <Breanna> i think color does [15:31] <Breanna> simply because voldemort's eyes changed color [15:31] <Expelliarmas> Harry's eyes are the same shape and color as Lily's [15:31] <Breanna> and the pupil changed shape [15:31] <miss_danielle> i dont think the colour is necessarily important [15:31] <Theoriser> I think so AEN; because of the gryffindor/slytherin colours just happen to be harry and voldemort's eye colours [15:31] <Siobhan4hp> Not me, because if the eye colour was so important then they would have made Dan't eyes green. [15:31] <futureweasley> Jo has said that the eyes are going to be important going forward [15:32] <Val_Halla> If the color were that important they would have had to include it in the movies, don't you think? [15:32] <harryfreak359> yes she did [15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> important yes, but I don't think the actualy color will be [15:32] * Siobhan4hp is going insane by the lack of U's in colour [15:32] <Aislinn> they have left some very important stuff out of the movies [15:32] <NoraConnerton> I think it doesn't matter the color, it matters that he has Lily's eyes [15:32] <harryfreak359> welll when do the the movies include important stuff? [15:32] <miss_danielle> i know - the movies are so random [15:32] <Theoriser> right, but I think it's there for the symbolism in the book [15:33] <futureweasley> they did make Dan's eyes green in the first 2 movies...and I think there's a CC on Pottercast that covers why they stopped doing that... [15:33] <Theoriser> I don't think the colour will be essential, but it works well to show the opposites of harry and Voldemort [15:33] <Expelliarmas> What do people think of the theory that some hold that Snape had feelings for Lily, or that they were friends in school? [15:33] <miss_danielle> i do think they were connected in some way [15:33] <Siobhan4hp> I hate it [15:33] <Breanna> wait...green=good Harry red= bad LV green=slyetherin red=gryffindor good=slytherin? [15:33] <Theoriser> I hate it! I don't know how people ever even thought of this! [15:33] * Siobhan4hp hates snampe [15:33] <An_Eternal_Night> yeah, it does, because green and red are opposites in the color world [15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I do to, but it makes a lot of sense sometimes [15:33] <NoraConnerton> I think they were connected. [15:34] <Theoriser> she must have at least known of him, but I don't think they were in love, definately not [15:34] <futureweasley> I think it's possible they were friends [15:34] <An_Eternal_Night> I really don't like the theory that Snape loved Lily, but they might have been friends [15:34] <Aislinn> I don't think they had a relationship, other than maybe working together in potions [15:34] <Expelliarmas> I doubt they were friends, but I could see Snape having an unrequited crush ... [15:34] <Siobhan4hp> Why does everyones wrong doings have to be down to romantic love, that's why I hate the idea [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was friends only [15:34] <harryfreak359> me too expel [15:34] <futureweasley> I don't think they had a relationship wither [15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> but that there was a connection [15:34] <miss_danielle> I could see him having a crush too - hes not a robot [15:34] <futureweasley> *either [15:34] <NoraConnerton> But I'm not sure how. I don't think they had an affair or a relationship of the romantic type [15:34] <gryffindelle> I think they were friends, but not in love [15:34] <Val_Halla> I think they were both in the Slug Club [15:34] <Breanna> i think we probably saw the extent of it in the pensieve [15:34] <Expelliarmas> I doubt they were friends, I think Lily felt sorry for Snape [15:34] <Breanna> i doubt snape was int he club... [15:35] <Theoriser> good idea val_halla [15:35] <NoraConnerton> but they might have at least been aquatainces and perhaps even friends. [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> like maybe they grew up in the same neighborhood? [15:35] <Aislinn> a lot of people have suggested that the Evans' grew up in Spinner's end, and that they knew each other from there [15:35] <gryffindelle> though they might have had some kind of special connection as a result of the potions skills [15:35] <Aislinn> lol, sooner [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:35] <Val_Halla> They may have been rivals in potions [15:35] <harryfreak359> I don't think so Aislinn... [15:35] <Expelliarmas> can you picture Lily in dowdy, rundown Spinner's End? [15:35] <futureweasley> I think Snape has been in love before, I just don't think it was with Lily [15:35] <Siobhan4hp> He was treating her really badly inb snapes memiry so I doubt he did like her at all [15:35] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:35] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> why do you not think so harryfreak [15:36] <harryfreak359> exactly what I was going to say expel [15:36] <An_Eternal_Night> can you picture Petunia in Spinner's End? lol [15:36] <harryfreak359> lol [15:36] <Siobhan4hp> I can't imagine Snape in love [15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> actaully, I can [15:36] <harryfreak359> I can too [15:36] <Aislinn> me too sooner [15:36] <Expelliarmas> Petunia would have been cleaning like a fiend ... [15:36] <miss_danielle> the thing is - Lily stood up for Snape - I dont think she's go out of her way for some random person she'd barely spoken to [15:36] <Val_Halla> I think she would. [15:36] <futureweasley> I like the spinner's end theory, actually [15:36] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:36] <Theoriser> that may have been an example of her personality though [15:36] <Aislinn> their house could have been very clean, or in a slightly nicer neighborhood nearby [15:36] <An_Eternal_Night> yeah, Petunia would not have liked it there [15:36] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:36] <Breanna> i think she would [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> or it could be one big reason why Petunia is such a neat freak now [15:37] <Siobhan4hp> Lily seems like a decent person so she would stick up for him [15:37] <Aislinn> or Petunia's cleaning fetish is in reaction to growing up in a place like that [15:37] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [15:37] <NoraConnerton> Snape is not an unfeeling person, and I do think that the reason he was mean to Lily was perhaps that he might have had a small teeny crush on her [15:37] <harryfreak359> I guess that could be why she is such a neat freak now [15:37] <Sofie> evening all! smile [15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> because she almost seems to have OCD when it comes to the condition of her house [15:37] <harryfreak359> how many of us said the same thing? [15:37] <harryfreak359> smile [15:37] <harryfreak359> hi sofie! [15:37] <An_Eternal_Night> hello sofie! [15:38] <Expelliarmas> I think Snape fancied himself James' rival in everything, including Lily [15:38] <harryfreak359> that could be expel [15:38] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:38] <Breanna> maybe in his own head... lol [15:38] <Expelliarmas> definitely in his own head [15:38] <miss_danielle> yeh i agree with thatr [15:38] <Sofie> so the topic is Lily i see [15:38] <harryfreak359> yeah, defintitely [15:38] <Aislinn> yes sofie [15:38] <Expelliarmas> In Chapter 28 of The Order of the Phoenix, "Snape's Worst Memory", we see Lily stand up to James and Sirius when they are mercilessly picking on Severus Snape. When Lily intervenes on Snape's behalf, he says that he doesn’t need help from a filthy mudblood like her. She doesn’t seem offended, or even hurt. She simply snaps back with a cool retort. Was it maturity on Lily’s part, or something else? [15:39] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:39] <Val_Halla> I think she is more mature than the boys [15:39] <Breanna> or immaturity... [15:39] <Sofie> i think her and Snape were friendt at hogwarts [15:39] <miss_danielle> I think maybe she is surprised that he is such a coward and wont admit that he needs her help [15:39] <Breanna> to use a name that the others had made up is kind of immature [15:39] <gryffindelle> maturity [15:39] <miss_danielle> or wont acknowledge her [15:39] <harryfreak359> I think she knew better than to be offended by what a slytherin said [15:39] <Breanna> i agree hf [15:39] <Expelliarmas> I think she pitied Snape (which Snape likely didn't care for). [15:40] <Sofie> or she simply just didnt care [15:40] <Aislinn> Hermione is often more able to shrug off those kinds of insults better than Ron and Harry do when they are thrown at her - this seemed similar to me [15:40] <miss_danielle> yeh i agree Expel - it could very well be that [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was a mixture [15:40] <Siobhan4hp> I think Lily is just a decent person, and is mature so she won't let what snape says et to her [15:40] <An_Eternal_Night> me too Aislinn [15:40] <NoraConnerton> I think it has more to do with the fact that I fancy Snape sees himself as a self reliant person and doesn't like help from anyone. [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> her eyes widened, which is a sign of surprise [15:40] <harryfreak359> yeah Aislinn [15:40] <Breanna> because they are muggles they dont' understand the extent of degrading [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> so I think that she was hurt [15:40] <Breanna> remarks [15:40] <futureweasley> that's a good point Nora [15:40] <harryfreak359> yeah Nora [15:40] <miss_danielle> I think she was hurt too [15:41] <miss_danielle> and just covered it up [15:41] <Aislinn> right, breanna - the insult doesn't have the same impact as it would if they knew the connotation from early childhood [15:41] <Breanna> hermione and lily didn't grow up knowing that that is a very bad thing to say [15:41] <Breanna> right [15:41] <futureweasley> I think that was her natural reaction...to just be "cool" [15:41] <harryfreak359> yep [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> but I also think that it was more surprise than big hurt [15:41] <Aislinn> that was the impression I got too, sooner [15:41] <Val_Halla> Lily would have known what mudblood meant by her 5th year [15:41] <Expelliarmas> I don't see Lily flying off the handle, she saw an injustice (even to a jerk) and reacted [15:41] <harryfreak359> I think so too Sooner [15:41] <Aislinn> she didn't expect Snape to say that about her [15:41] <miss_danielle> yeh she was definitely surprised - maybe they had interacted as sort of friends so she didnt expect him to be so cruel [15:41] <futureweasley> It's obvious it wasn't the first time she had heard that [15:41] <Sofie> its interesting though thet we never hear snape call anybody mudblood in the books apart from this chapter [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and she's a girl and when you're 15, girls are waaaaay more mature [15:42] <gryffindelle> he is a teacher now [15:42] <Aislinn> that is very true [15:42] <harryfreak359> totally true sooner [15:42] <An_Eternal_Night> I resent that. lol, jk [15:42] <Sofie> yes, especially compared to james [15:42] <Val_Halla> There was also an audience and Snape had to maintain his rep [15:42] <Siobhan4hp> So true [15:42] <gryffindelle> so he can't really go around calling his students names [15:42] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> lol sofie -- especially James and Sirius [15:42] <futureweasley> well, there are extreme cases for both [15:42] <Theoriser> especially with dumbledore around [15:43] <futureweasley> Lupin was very mature for his age... [15:43] <Sofie> too mature i guess [15:43] * miss_danielle loves Lupin [15:43] <Aislinn> he was, FW [15:43] <Breanna> bc snape has street credit lol [15:43] <harryfreak359> yeah, but that was because of everyhting he had been through [15:43] <Theoriser> if he went around calling his students mudbloods I'm sure dumbledore would be suspicious [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> life made Lupin more mature [15:43] <futureweasley> Lily has been through a lot at this point, too [15:43] <Aislinn> that's a good point hf, it forced him to grow up faster [15:43] <Siobhan4hp> Lupin aged prematurely, to be fair because he was a werewolf [15:44] <harryfreak359> yeah exactly [15:44] <Expelliarmas> From what we know of the Evan’s sisters, Petunia and Lily couldn’t be anymore different. What do you think of their relationship? Did Lily and Petunia ever get along? What drove them apart? [15:44] <gryffindelle> petunia's jealousy [15:44] <Sofie> i think petunia was kinda jealous when lily got her letter and she didnt [15:44] <Siobhan4hp> I think they were friends pre hogwarts then Petunia got jelous [15:44] <Breanna> who is older lily or petunia? [15:44] <Siobhan4hp> *jealous [15:44] <futureweasley> fear [15:44] <Val_Halla> There's not really any evidence they didn't get along - only that Petunia was jealous [15:44] <Sofie> petunia i guess [15:44] <Theoriser> me too siobhan [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to know the age difference [15:44] <miss_danielle> i agree jealousy is the main factor [15:44] <harryfreak359> I think they might have gotten along but after Lily got her hogwarts exceptance letter, petunia was jealous, so they no longer got a long [15:44] <Siobhan4hp> I think Petunia's older because Dudley is older than Harry [15:45] <Breanna> not that much older though [15:45] <Theoriser> or that they began to drift apart because they hardly saw each other [15:45] <Siobhan4hp> And Lily died very young [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think P is older as well, but I bet there is not a big difference [15:45] <An_Eternal_Night> but Lily had Harry very young [15:45] <Expelliarmas> Petunia is a total control freak, and compulsive obsessive, maybe as a result of her jealosy? [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> like maybe a couple of years at the most [15:45] <gryffindelle> could they have been twins? [15:45] <harryfreak359> I think petunia is older too [15:45] <harryfreak359> nah [15:45] <Sofie> she was 20 or something [15:45] <NoraConnerton> I don't think Lily and Petunia were Twins [15:45] <Aislinn> I don't either [15:45] <futureweasley> I don't think Jealousy is all of it...I do think that Petunia saw people in the Order die, and she got scared. She turned into a cold and bitter woman, and when she lost her sister, she had no more use for magic [15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm voting no on the twins idea as well [15:45] <gryffindelle> just a thought [15:45] <Sofie> jo would have mentioned that [15:46] <Aislinn> but I agree that Petunia was probably jealous [15:46] <Aislinn> especially of the attention that Lily got from her parents for being recognized as a witch [15:46] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> what started out as jealousy got twisted even further with fear [15:46] <gryffindelle> maybe not, if it was important [15:46] <Aislinn> that's an interesting point [15:46] <Expelliarmas> Petunia was stunned by her parents' pride in having a witch in the family [15:46] <Val_Halla> Petunia probaly feels guilty for her meanness now that Lily is dead [15:46] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:46] <Expelliarmas> it was always Lily this and Lily that [15:46] <NoraConnerton> Jealous is a part of it, but I also agree that she might have known people in the Order other than her sister, and might have had friends that were killed. [15:46] <Val_Halla> No wonder she never mentions her name [15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm sure guilt factors in there as well Val Halla [15:47] <NoraConnerton> And so she became the bitter woman that she is. [15:47] <Breanna> she had nothing to be unique about she was just normal old petunia like the flower [15:47] <harryfreak359> I think it was mostly jealousy [15:47] <Siobhan4hp> I think that's what drover her round the twist, having Lily die and knowing they never made up [15:47] <Val_Halla> Petunia did take in Harry [15:47] <futureweasley> I think we will have to agree to disagree...I've never seen anyone so driven by their own fear as Petunia is [15:47] <harryfreak359> yeah [15:47] <Sofie> i also think it was mostly jealousy plus the fact that she is an aweful person [15:47] <Aislinn> but she is turning a lot of that anger onto Lily, if she is feeling that way out of guilt - and on Harry by extension [15:47] <gryffindelle> true [15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> so we start with jealousy and then guilt, and fear turned it all up into bitterness and to make it worse, she had to look into Lily's eyes every day [15:47] <NoraConnerton> But in the end pushed Harry away, probably out of guilt, jealousy and fear [15:48] <harryfreak359> yeah sooner [15:48] <Val_Halla> true, Sooner [15:48] <Sofie> agree SG [15:48] <Expelliarmas> ohh, maybe that's the connection of the eye color, what Petunia sees in Harry? [15:48] <miss_danielle> could be [15:48] <Aislinn> how do people feel that Lily felt about Petunia? [15:48] <Sofie> good isea [15:48] <Breanna> what does she see? [15:48] <Sofie> *idea [15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think petunica sees a lot of Lily in Harry [15:48] <harryfreak359> ehh...perhaps... [15:48] <Expelliarmas> they hardly had any interaction once Lily left Hogwarts [15:48] <Sofie> even though he looks like james [15:49] <Siobhan4hp> I think this is a reason why harry's eyes are singnificant because she see's how alike Lily and Harry are and is reminded on how badly she reated Lily [15:49] <futureweasley> I think she loved her and wanted to protect her...just as she did Harry and James [15:49] <Val_Halla> I imagine Lily pitied Petunia for her small-mindedness [15:49] <harryfreak359> I agree Val Halla [15:49] <Aislinn> do you think that's why they didn't stay in touch, FW? Lily was avoiding her to protect her? [15:49] <NoraConnerton> I think before Lily was discovered to be a witch, I think they might have been close. [15:49] <Sofie> and maybe she hated james so badly because in her opinio, it was his fault that Lily dies [15:49] <futureweasley> I'm not so sure that Petunia was always "small-minded" when it came to magic [15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I just hope that we don't find out that P had something to do with James and Lilys downfall [15:49] <Breanna> do we know they didn't stay in touch? [15:49] <An_Eternal_Night> Lily probably felt lonely without Petunia [15:49] <harryfreak359> yeah Sooner [15:49] <Sofie> no way SG [15:50] <Aislinn> from the first chapter of PS, yeah breanna [15:50] <futureweasley> I think that it may have been that Petunia pushed Lily [15:50] <futureweasley> away [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [15:50] <harryfreak359> Well at least Vernon didn't think they talked [15:50] <Breanna> we dont' know how long they were out of touch, they knew that Lily had a soon named harry [15:50] <Val_Halla> Petunia went out of her way to marry the most unmagical man possible [15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> but they at least knew about Harry [15:50] <Expelliarmas> no it had been years since the Dursleys had seen the Potters [15:50] <futureweasley> I don't have any siblings, I don't really know how far I would do to stay in touch [15:50] <harryfreak359> they could have behind his back, it was all from Vernon's point of veiw [15:50] <Breanna> seen is different than out of touch [15:51] <Sofie> when do you think P told vernon about Lily and the whole witch thing? [15:51] <Breanna> they could have corresponded or talked ont he phone [15:51] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:51] <Aislinn> her reaction to Vernon asking her didn't give me the impression she had a good relationship with Lily [15:51] <Breanna> when vernon was at work... [15:51] <futureweasley> the HP Lexicon says they had "limited contact" [15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I would go to ehe ends of the earth to keep in touch with mine [15:51] <Val_Halla> After Harry was dropped on the doorstep [15:51] <Breanna> not to him aislinn [15:51] <Aislinn> or that they kept in touch [15:51] <Expelliarmas> Vernon actually feared mentioning the potters [15:51] <gryffindelle> I think that the fact that that first chapter is from vernon's point of view could be very important [15:51] <Breanna> not to his face rather [15:51] <Breanna> i think she is a good actor [15:51] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:51] <Aislinn> I thought she was quite sincere [15:51] <Siobhan4hp> True [15:51] <Aislinn> I didn't get any impression she was acting [15:51] <Val_Halla> Oops, you're right Exp [15:52] <Expelliarmas> Petunia knows about dementors because she "overheard a conversation" between Lily and someone else–“that awful boy.” But there is more to it than that; we will learn more in Book 7. To whom could Lily have been talking? In your opinion, which theory has the most weight? [15:52] <gryffindelle> it could have been for just this reason [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this question smile [15:52] <miss_danielle> me too smile [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape [15:52] <Expelliarmas> then have at it [15:52] <Siobhan4hp> I think it was Remus [15:52] <harryfreak359> I still think that the "awful boy" is James [15:52] <NoraConnerton> I have to go. [15:52] <futureweasley> I think the aweful boy was Snape, too! [15:52] *** NoraConnerton has quit [Bye] [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:52] <Aislinn> it seems to be a critical piece of information [15:52] <harryfreak359> by nora! [15:52] <miss_danielle> Snape [15:52] <Val_Halla> I also vote James [15:52] <Expelliarmas> how about, hmmm, rat boy? Peter Pettigrew? [15:52] <Aislinn> I don't think it was James [15:52] <futureweasley> I don't think it was James...or Sirius [15:52] <Breanna> fudge [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> woo hoo! FW actually agreed with me on something concerning Snape [15:52] <gryffindelle> one of the other marauders [15:53] <futureweasley> lol [15:53] <harryfreak359> I totally think it was James, and he was "awful" because he was a wizard [15:53] <An_Eternal_Night> It could be Snape, that would definitely support the Spinner's End theory [15:53] <Aislinn> I don't think Petunia would have used the words, that awful boy if it was him [15:53] <Expelliarmas> I think it was Peter because he's disgusting [15:53] <gryffindelle> but it could have been snape [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I do not think it was James because of the way JKR reacted when asked about it [15:53] <Siobhan4hp> Nah, I think Remus, because that's one feature about Remus weve known since he was introduced his knowledge of demntors, that's why I think it was Remus [15:53] <harryfreak359> why not Aislinn? [15:53] <Aislinn> and Harry kind of challenged her on that, but she didn't get a chance to respond [15:53] <miss_danielle> I agree Sooner [15:53] <miss_danielle> Aw but Remus isnt awful [15:53] <Val_Halla> Why would Snape be at Lily's house? [15:53] <Aislinn> which made me think that she really meant someone else, but we weren't meant to know who yet [15:54] <Siobhan4hp> He;s a wizard though [15:54] <futureweasley> that could fall back to the Spinner's End thing [15:54] <Expelliarmas> Remus? Awful? No, he's too polite and considerate, and good looking to be awful [15:54] <An_Eternal_Night> yeah [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> well, you have to first think that maybe they grew up together [15:54] <Aislinn> right FW [15:54] <Val_Halla> Then Petunia would know Snape's name [15:54] <Aislinn> and maybe a different relationship [15:54] <miss_danielle> Lol expel - i agree [15:54] <Siobhan4hp> Could it have been Regulus? Random thought I know [15:54] <futureweasley> if they were neighbors, it wouldn't really be that out of the ordinary [15:54] <miss_danielle> exactly fw [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> and Lily and James were not friends until much later [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> and she would have known about dementors by then [15:55] <harryfreak359> okay, how do we actually know that "her" is Lily? [15:55] <Aislinn> not until 7th year, right sooner [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> right [15:55] <An_Eternal_Night> that's a good point, hf [15:55] <harryfreak359> I just looked it up, she doesn't say lily's name [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> true, but I do think it was Lily [15:55] <Expelliarmas> if regulus looked at all like Sirius, then no, not an "awful" boy [15:55] <harryfreak359> she just says "her" [15:55] <miss_danielle> no she doesn't - but i think its lily too [15:55] <Sofie> i think she ment snape [15:55] <gryffindelle> hmm... [15:55] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, but Petunia would think all wizards are awful inclusing Remus, and that's what how Remus was introducd to the series, how well he knows about sememtoreas [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> and that we are going to find out it was NOT James [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:55] <harryfreak359> lol [15:55] <Siobhan4hp> *dementors [15:56] <Theoriser> we assume it's lily because who else would she have been listening in on [15:56] <Aislinn> I do too sofie [15:56] <harryfreak359> James could have been "awful" to her, becuase he pranked her [15:56] <futureweasley> right, Theoriser... [15:56] <harryfreak359> or something [15:56] <An_Eternal_Night> I have to go everyone, but I will be back smile [15:56] <Expelliarmas> I still think it was Pettigrew, his manners and appearance would be offensive to Petunia and stand out [15:56] <harryfreak359> bye AEN [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> bye AEN [15:56] <Sofie> itd be funny if it turned out to be DD or hagrid [15:56] <Aislinn> see you , AEN [15:56] <futureweasley> bye AEN [15:56] <An_Eternal_Night> see ya! [15:56] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [15:56] <Siobhan4hp> Bye AEN [15:56] <miss_danielle> Lol Sofie [15:56] <harryfreak359> hagrid...lol [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Sofie [15:56] <Siobhan4hp> LOL [15:56] <Aislinn> why would Lily be talking to Peter? [15:56] <Sofie> or dawlish for that matter [15:56] <harryfreak359> lol [15:56] <futureweasley> I don't think Petunia would call either Hagrid or DD a "boy" [15:56] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid as an awful "boy" even DD wouldn't fit that bill [15:56] <miss_danielle> she probably would have said that awful giant man [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:57] <Expelliarmas> She'd talk to Peter as part of the visiting Maruaders [15:57] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah Dawlish [15:57] <harryfreak359> lol [15:57] <Aislinn> I think that James or Snape make the most sense as possibilities [15:57] <Sofie> did jo ever say its important? the waful boy comment? i dont remember [15:57] <Aislinn> although Remus is a possibility [15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder how often she talked to Lily back then [15:57] <Siobhan4hp> I still think Remus, and you can't convince me otherwze [15:57] <Val_Halla> James had longish, messy hair; Petunia would have thought that was awful [15:57] <Sofie> lol [15:57] <futureweasley> I'm sure much more than they did later in life [15:57] <Aislinn> I think it was Snape [15:57] <Breanna> sirius had long hair too [15:57] * Siobhan4hp cackles maniavely [15:57] <Breanna> and snape [15:57] * SoonerGryffindor votes for Snape [15:58] <miss_danielle> I think it was snape [15:58] <Sofie> but snape is ugly so... [15:58] * futureweasley concurs [15:58] <harryfreak359> I still think it is James...and I am not changing my mind until Jo says otherwise [15:58] * miss_danielle officially votes for Snape [15:58] * harryfreak359 votes James [15:58] * Sofie votes for sanpe too [15:58] <Val_Halla> *Val votes James [15:58] <Siobhan4hp> Remus doesn;t have the greatst wardrobe though because of being unable to get a job [15:58] * Breanna snape [15:58] * Siobhan4hp votes for Remus [15:58] <Aislinn> this was back in school though siobhan [15:58] * gryffindelle votes for snape [15:58] <Expelliarmas> Lily was a member of the first Slug Club, led by Slughorn. Slughorn has a very clear and concise memory of Lily, unabashedly telling Harry that she was one of his “favorites”. Was it her pension for brilliant potions instinct, or do you think that Slughorn had more of a “mentor” role in Lily’s wizarding education? [15:59] <Sofie> snape won i guess, which isnt a surprise for me smile [15:59] <harryfreak359> I think it was her gift in Potions [15:59] <Siobhan4hp> How do we know it was in school, does it say? [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> this is hard to answer [15:59] <Siobhan4hp> I think it was after school [15:59] <Sofie> she was talented in potions [15:59] <gryffindelle> I don't think so [15:59] <miss_danielle> I think that she was excellent at Potions and also seemed to have a vibrant personality [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a little of both [15:59] <futureweasley> I think that Slughorn thought that Lily would go far in whatever she did, seeing how bright she was [15:59] <Aislinn> I think that Slughorn has a skill at picking out talented pupils, and she stood out as one of his best [15:59] <futureweasley> he wanted her as a "lifetime Slug Clubber" [15:59] <Val_Halla> I agree Aislinn [15:59] <Sofie> lol [16:00] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ais [16:00] <harryfreak359> "slug clubber" lol [16:00] <Siobhan4hp> But we know from Ollivander that Charms was Lily's strong subject with her wand, I think she was just an all round smart girl. [16:00] <Expelliarmas> Slughorn loved to make connections, to whom would Lily have been introduced? [16:00] <Breanna> Fudge [16:00] <harryfreak359> Fudge??? [16:00] <Aislinn> we saw him do that with Ginny as well - he recognizes talent, and he clearly recognized it in Lily, as he keeps telling Harry [16:00] <futureweasley> Yes, she was head girl...and I don't think someone less than extraordinary gets that title [16:01] <harryfreak359> what? [16:01] <Breanna> lol [16:01] <Expelliarmas> Would Snape have been in the Slug Club given his potions' talent? [16:01] <harryfreak359> I think it was because of her talent [16:01] <Sofie> yes ais, i was goning to bring up the lily/ginny paralell too [16:01] <gryffindelle> possible, and he was also a slytherin [16:01] <futureweasley> maybe...except for the fact that he's a git, and Lily is nice [16:01] <Sofie> lol [16:01] <miss_danielle> Id say so - he is pretty awesome at potions [16:01] <harryfreak359> No snape, was probably too distant and antisocial for the Slug Club [16:02] <Breanna> agreed...look how uncomfortable he was at slug's party [16:02] <Val_Halla> But he was invited to the party- that's significant [16:02] <futureweasley> he might have had the "Groucho Marx" approach to the Slug Club..."I don't want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member" [16:02] <Theoriser> you'd think slughorn would mention it to harry if snape was in the club, when he's at slughorn's party [16:02] <Aislinn> I don't think they have to be that socially adept, if Slughorn sees something special in them [16:02] <Sofie> poor snape, not a party face [16:02] <Breanna> were all the teachers invited? [16:02] <Aislinn> and snape would have been in Slughorn's house [16:02] <Val_Halla> Slughorn only cares who can be useful [16:02] <Expelliarmas> So was that weird Slytherin, Zabini? He's no life of the party, and yet, he's in the club [16:02] <miss_danielle> I agree Val Halla [16:02] <futureweasley> maybe the Slug Club was the birth of Snape and Lily's friendship [16:03] <Sofie> wonder why didnt sluggy see the potential in snape [16:03] <Aislinn> ooh, that's a thought FW [16:03] <harryfreak359> Snape could have done the same as Harry, did everything to get out of it [16:03] <Breanna> maybe he saw the potential for evil and didn't want to be associated again [16:03] <futureweasley> I can see Lily and Snape being forced to endure Slughorn's ooohs and ahhhs in a more public forum [16:03] <Sofie> i like the idea FW [16:03] <Siobhan4hp> @You have your mothers eys, it seems only yesterday she was here herself bying her first wand 10 and a quarter inches long, made of willow, nice wand for charm work@ [16:03] <harryfreak359> I don't think they were friends, [16:03] <Siobhan4hp> Page 63 uk ed [16:03] <Sofie> im sure they were friends [16:04] <Breanna> remember slughorn has been tied to lord voldemort...maybe he saw the same type of "potential" in snape and wanted no part of it [16:04] <harryfreak359> I think snape just had a crush on her.... [16:04] <miss_danielle> they were acquainted anyway [16:04] <Expelliarmas> I doubt they were friends, but certainly acquaintances? [16:04] <Siobhan4hp> Charms was her strong point from that passage, not potions [16:04] <futureweasley> I'm not sure what Snape and Lily were, but I do think that Snape tried to warn Lily about the Prophecy, and I think that points to "mutual respect" [16:04] <Aislinn> people in the slug club don't necessarily have to be good friends, but they would know and associate with each other, at least at sluggy's parties [16:04] <gryffindelle> but it does say she was good at potions [16:04] <Val_Halla> But Snape had a gang of Slytherins he hung out with; how could he justify being friends with a Gryffindor [16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> and they definitely would hav known each other [16:05] <harryfreak359> exactly Val Halla [16:05] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, Harry isn't friends with Blaise Zambini and he was in the slug club [16:05] <Siobhan4hp> *Zabini [16:05] <harryfreak359> true, I guess [16:05] <Sofie> does it say in the books that snape had friends among the slytherins? wonder why was he alsone after the OWL exam... [16:05] <gryffindelle> but they were acquaintances [16:05] <Aislinn> right gryff [16:05] <Siobhan4hp> I think Snape was a loner [16:06] <miss_danielle> Snape had people - not friends [16:06] <Expelliarmas> There are questions about what Lily's chosen occupation was after Hogwarts. We know she joined the Order of the Phoenix and along with James, thrice defied Voldemort. Do you think she also had a paying job? If so, what do you think she did? [16:06] <Aislinn> I see them more as knowing each other from mutual commonalities, like the slugclub and spinner's end [16:06] <Aislinn> not good friends though [16:06] <gryffindelle> auror [16:06] <miss_danielle> i agree Aislinn [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> unspeakabe [16:06] <Val_Halla> Someone, I think Remus, told harry that Snape hung out with a gang of Slytherins that nearly all became DE's [16:06] <Breanna> unspeakable [16:06] <Aislinn> I think she may have worked in the DoM as an unspeakable [16:06] <miss_danielle> Yeh but you can hang out with people and not be friends [16:06] <Siobhan4hp> I think it was Sirius [16:06] <futureweasley> well, James was rich...maybe she didn't work [16:07] <Breanna> james was rich? [16:07] <Aislinn> she could have combined her charms and potions knowledge into something in research [16:07] <Expelliarmas> Would Lily have worked in the MoM, in the room devoted to love? [16:07] <futureweasley> he had been given an inheritance [16:07] <Sofie> not to mention she was pregnant and on the run with ja This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Sep 3 2006, 05:01 PM |
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[16:07] <futureweasley> what's how Harry has all the money he has [16:07] <futureweasley> it was passed down to James. I don't think Lily had to work [16:07] <harryfreak359> I always thought of James as rich [16:08] <Val_Halla> Harry did inherit piles of gold [16:08] <Sofie> jo said they inherited [16:08] <Siobhan4hp> I think she just worked for the order, she died really young, so with having Harry and thrice defeating Voldy I don't think she wpuld have much time to get a job as an unspeakable or whatever [16:08] <miss_danielle> i always saw him having a lot of gold [16:08] <Aislinn> I don't think she would have worked because she had to, but because she was a talented, intelligent girl [16:08] <futureweasley> I don't even know what an "Unspeakable" is [16:08] <harryfreak359> I agree Siobhan [16:08] <Aislinn> she would have wanted to do something with her life [16:08] <miss_danielle> i agree Aislinn [16:08] <Sofie> agree ais [16:08] <Siobhan4hp> She died at like 21 though [16:09] <Val_Halla> An unspeakable is someone who works in the Dept of Mysteries [16:09] <Expelliarmas> folks who work in the dep't of mysteries are unspeakables [16:09] <harryfreak359> An unspeakable is someone who works in the Derpartment of Mysteries [16:09] <harryfreak359> LOL [16:09] <futureweasley> well, look at Hermione, Aislinn...if she's off fighting Voldemort, do you think she will be wasting her talent is she's not gainfully employed? [16:09] <Val_Halla> all together now ... lol [16:09] * Expelliarmas thinks FW is now squared away [16:09] <miss_danielle> lol [16:09] <Aislinn> and started her career at 17 [16:09] * harryfreak359 thinks so too [16:09] <futureweasley> got it...thank you [16:09] <Sofie> lol [16:09] <harryfreak359> lol [16:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [16:10] <Aislinn> I'm not saying wasting her talent, but I definitely see her as someone who would pursue a career [16:10] <Aislinn> and the trio's quest is unique from working in the Order [16:10] <Sofie> i agree ais, i just dont think she had the time/opportunity [16:10] <Expelliarmas> Well, chasing down and defeating LV could be considered "gainful" employment [16:10] <Val_Halla> That somewhat depends on what james did for a living [16:10] <Aislinn> she had 4 year [16:10] <Aislinn> s [16:10] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah but you would need lots of training to be an unspeakable it would be like traing to be an auror and that takes years to qualify, look at Tonks she's around 23 in OOTP and she's only just qualified as an auror [16:10] <Aislinn> not a long time, but enough to start [16:11] <futureweasley> she had 4 years, in which the enemy was still at large... [16:11] <Aislinn> so she was an apprentice [16:11] <harryfreak359> perhaps she was just training then? [16:11] <Sofie> yes but they were on the run, hiding, working for the order [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> but we know nothing of the requirements to be an unspeakable [16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> so I'm still voting for that option [16:11] <Breanna> or what they do for that matter lol [16:11] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [16:11] <Sofie> thats why they are called unspeakable i guess [16:11] <Siobhan4hp> You'd need training, I refuse to believe otherwise,it's too important not too [16:11] <Expelliarmas> It certainly would have taught her a lot about "love" if she worked in that room which DD mentioned to Harry [16:12] <Aislinn> or she could have been working on something alchemical [16:12] <futureweasley> oooh, now I like that idea Aislinn [16:12] <Siobhan4hp> She and JAmes, trice defied Voldy, had Harry were hiding, I don't think she's have time [16:12] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [16:12] <Sofie> she could have working on a new potion [16:12] <Val_Halla> Do you guys think James and Lily worked together on something or had seperate careers? [16:12] <Sofie> together i think [16:12] <gryffindelle> wb harryfreak [16:12] <Siobhan4hp> I think they both worked in the order [16:12] <Expelliarmas> alchemical? [16:13] <gryffindelle> together for sure [16:13] <harryfreak359> I think they worked together in the order, but other than that they worked seperately [16:13] <gryffindelle> maybe [16:13] <Aislinn> everyone in the order also has jobs, aside from Sirius and Molly [16:13] <miss_danielle> i agree hf [16:13] <Expelliarmas> Ollivander mentioned that Lily's wand was "10 1/4 inches long, swishy, made of willow. Nice wand for charm work." Yet we know from Slughorn Lily was an exceptional potions maker. Is the fact that her wand was good for charms a clue as to her profession? [16:14] <Val_Halla> I think so [16:14] <Theoriser> yes, me too [16:14] <harryfreak359> Yeah, perhaps, [16:14] <gryffindelle> beb [16:14] <futureweasley> nah, didn't we just establish she didn't work? [16:14] <futureweasley> lol [16:14] <gryffindelle> *brb [16:14] <Breanna> jdid he say "i remember when your mother was her getting her 'first' wand" [16:14] <harryfreak359> lol future [16:14] <Siobhan4hp> I think she was an all round smart girl, so she was good at potions, BUT she was very good at charms@ [16:14] <Theoriser> it could also suggest to us that she was good at more than one thing [16:14] <Aislinn> I think she could have combined her skill in charms with her skills in potions - alchemy, like I said before biggrin [16:15] <harryfreak359> possibly Aislinn... [16:15] <Breanna> if so could she have gotten a better one suited to her profession [16:15] <harryfreak359> smile [16:15] <Siobhan4hp> I think she was good at mosts subjects myself [16:15] <Expelliarmas> which begs the question, Slughorn recalls Lily as an exceptional potions maker, does Filch ever have those recollections about Lily in charms? [16:15] <gryffindelle> me too [16:15] <Breanna> but her first one was better for charms [16:15] <Siobhan4hp> just exceptional at potions [16:15] <futureweasley> If I could get serious for a minute, I think that it's possible that Lily could have been a healer [16:15] <harryfreak359> Ooh...yeah Future [16:15] <futureweasley> charms and potions expert [16:15] * Breanna is talking to herself [16:16] <aranelparmadil> Filch, expel? [16:16] <Theoriser> do we know how long flitwick's been at the school? [16:16] * harryfreak359 agrees totally with Futureweasley [16:16] <Aislinn> Flitwick? [16:16] <Theoriser> he might not have been there in her day [16:16] * Expelliarmas is abashed [16:16] <aranelparmadil> Do you mean flitwick! [16:16] <gryffindelle> but you don't really use a wand for potions, so it could have been her strong point in wand magic [16:16] <Aislinn> I think he's been there a while [16:16] <gryffindelle> charms, i mean [16:16] <Siobhan4hp> I agree, Aislinn [16:16] <Expelliarmas> aranel, you showed up in the nick of time! [16:16] <Breanna> you do use wands for magic... [16:17] <Breanna> don'tcha? [16:17] <Expelliarmas> I like the idea of Lily as a healer [16:17] <gryffindelle> but not really potions [16:17] <futureweasley> yes, you have to put your wand in the cauldron to stir up the potions [16:17] <Expelliarmas> you have to know about a lot of subjects to become a Healer, Hermione talked about it in OOTP. [16:17] <futureweasley> right? [16:17] <Breanna> oh ooops....lol i meant potions [16:17] <Aislinn> although JKR did say in NYC that a muggle couldn't just combine the ingredients in a potion book and come up with the potion [16:17] * Breanna smacks head [16:17] <gryffindelle> but that's not really a spell [16:17] <Aislinn> so you do need the wand for some of it [16:18] * harryfreak359 is now kind of confused.... [16:18] <gryffindelle> I think you need to be magical, but you don't need to have a lot of skill with a wand [16:18] <futureweasley> I think that charms comes into potions in a very intricate way [16:18] <Aislinn> that's possible gryff [16:18] <futureweasley> they mutter stuff over their cauldrons, and I think that's why Lily was good at both [16:18] <harryfreak359> You have to be good at almost everyhting to be a healer, right? [16:18] <Expelliarmas> pretty much so [16:18] <harryfreak359> almost like an auror [16:19] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah [16:19] <Expelliarmas> including sewing ... only kidding [16:19] <Siobhan4hp> Lol [16:19] <futureweasley> doh! [16:19] <Aislinn> it would be helpful for the Order to have a healer in their group [16:19] <harryfreak359> for those wizards like Mr. Weasley...you mean expel? [16:19] <Expelliarmas> yes [16:19] <harryfreak359> biggrin [16:19] <Siobhan4hp> They have MAdam Promfrey though, don't they? [16:20] <Siobhan4hp> Or did I imagine that? [16:20] <Expelliarmas> Interesting we see Snape as DD's healer in HBP, so it seems the Order does need one [16:20] <Val_Halla> Madam P is NOT in the Order [16:20] <Theoriser> pomfrey's only at the school [16:20] <Expelliarmas> Madame P can only do so much it seems [16:20] <Aislinn> so Lily being a Healer would have been useful back then [16:21] <Breanna> yeop [16:21] <Siobhan4hp> She could still help the order though, by geing t hogwarts and treting ny order members that got sent there [16:21] <Breanna> no problems with st. mangoes [16:21] <Expelliarmas> Speaking of wands ... What happened to Lily’s wand? [16:21] <futureweasley> I think it's still at Godric's Hollow [16:21] <Breanna> it exploded [16:21] <Aislinn> good question [16:21] <Theoriser> these types of thing confuse me [16:21] <harryfreak359> hmmm.... [16:21] <Aislinn> I wonder what if anything survived the blast [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Petunia has it [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> and she will give it to Harry [16:21] * harryfreak359 agree with theoriser [16:21] <Theoriser> like how did sirius and voldemort get their wands back [16:21] <Aislinn> I doubt stuff would have just been left there [16:21] <futureweasley> maybe it's a horcrux [16:21] <Siobhan4hp> I think it just blew up, Kaput [16:21] <futureweasley> oooh [16:22] <Breanna> what will he do with ....oh! he'll use it against lv! [16:22] <miss_danielle> i never understand how people get their wands back [16:22] <harryfreak359> actually I have a theory on how Voldemort got his wand back.... [16:22] <futureweasley> why would it just blow up? [16:22] <harryfreak359> but that is another topic biggrin [16:22] <Theoriser> it's likely that it's still at godric's hollow, but if the wizards cleared up after it they probably would have taken it away [16:22] <miss_danielle> lol [16:22] <futureweasley> she wasn't using it to defend herself and Harry [16:22] <harryfreak359> no true future [16:22] <Val_Halla> Perhaps ehr wand was buried with her body [16:22] <futureweasley> there's no evidence that she even had it in her hand [16:22] <Aislinn> there's not [16:23] <harryfreak359> perhaps it just got lost [16:23] * harryfreak359 prefers the easy answers [16:23] <Val_Halla> I would guess LV disarmed her [16:23] <Breanna> how is she buried if she got blown up>? [16:23] <Siobhan4hp> And she didn't have one in the movie and that scene was shot very carefully as we already know [16:23] <harryfreak359> Perhaps Voldemort has it? [16:23] <futureweasley> she didn't really get "blown up" [16:23] <Breanna> lol [16:23] <harryfreak359> Don't see why.... [16:23] <Breanna> err not really funny [16:23] <Breanna> but [16:23] * Breanna shuts up [16:23] <Siobhan4hp> The hbouse burnt down though [16:24] <futureweasley> lol [16:24] <futureweasley> breanna [16:24] <Expelliarmas> In the JKR interview with Leaky's own Melissa Anelli and Mugglenet's Emerson Spartz on 7/16/05, Emerson asked why Voldemort had given Lily "so many chances to live." Jo goes on to elaborate, saying that James was going to be murdered anyway, but Lily was given the choice between saving herself and saving Harry, and that is a choice that noone before had ever been given. Do you think it was a mother's instinct, or sheer fear, that put her between Harry and Voldemort? Why? [16:24] <Val_Halla> did it? [16:24] <Siobhan4hp> Maybe it's a hjorcrux [16:24] <gryffindelle> I think that someone took it away [16:24] <gryffindelle> picked it up from the rubble [16:24] <harryfreak359> I think it was a mother's instinct [16:24] <Breanna> whoever else was there that night [16:25] <Siobhan4hp> Mothers instinct [16:25] <Breanna> OR its inside hagrid's umbrella! [16:25] <gryffindelle> whats the rest of the question? [16:25] <harryfreak359> LOL [16:25] <Theoriser> I also think it was her bravery [16:25] <Siobhan4hp> LOL, Breanna [16:25] <miss_danielle> it wasnt just mothers instinct though - she chose to do it out of bravery and love [16:25] <harryfreak359> yeah theoriser [16:25] <Expelliarmas> here's the rest of the questions Do you think it was a mother's instinct, or sheer fear, that put her between Harry and Voldemort? Why? [16:25] <Aislinn> I think it was a bit of both [16:25] <Val_Halla> Mother's love, not instinct [16:25] <gryffindelle> love and mother's instinct [16:25] <aranelparmadil> mothers instinct, definitely [16:25] <futureweasley> I don't think Lily had any other option...she did the only thing she could do [16:26] <Siobhan4hp> Mothers love and instict [16:26] <harryfreak359> Mothers instinct and love, plus her bravery [16:26] <futureweasley> I think she was compelled by a very instinctive force [16:26] <Aislinn> she was afraid for her son, and did the only thing she could to protect him [16:26] <harryfreak359> yep [16:26] <futureweasley> yes, I agree Aislinn [16:26] <gryffindelle> yeah [16:26] <Siobhan4hp> True, Aislinn [16:27] <Breanna> her instinct was stronger b/c it was fueled by old magic...stronger than a muggle's [16:27] <gryffindelle> yeah [16:27] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah [16:27] <harryfreak359> yeah [16:27] <Expelliarmas> I don't know, I think regardless of magical abilities, the need to protect your kid is overpowering [16:27] <Val_Halla> But why, oh why was she even given the option of living? [16:27] <Siobhan4hp> Were a descriptive buch, lot's of yeah's lol [16:27] <harryfreak359> yeah, what was that about? [16:27] <Siobhan4hp> *bunch [16:28] <Aislinn> yes, I don't see it as a magical thing - I see it as a mother's reaction [16:28] <Expelliarmas> What reasons would Voldemort have for offering to spare Lily's life? Did Lily have knowledge that Voldemort could have used, or found valuable? If so, what could Lily have known that would have been important to him? [16:28] <harryfreak359> lol [16:28] <Breanna> how to heal! [16:28] <Breanna> and save from death! [16:28] <miss_danielle> why she was given the chance to live - lol that is the £64,000 question [16:28] <Aislinn> I think it was her skill in her profession with alchemy research that he was interested in tongue [16:28] <futureweasley> I think Lily might have known about a Horcrux, and she hid it [16:28] <harryfreak359> lol Aislinn [16:28] <Siobhan4hp> because his own mother had died\ [16:28] <Aislinn> he wanted her to work for him [16:28] <Breanna> because it was her wand fw! [16:29] <Val_Halla> What alchemicacl research do you think she might have done? [16:29] <Breanna> she worked at graceland for elvis [16:29] <harryfreak359> philospher's stone [16:29] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [16:29] <Breanna> made his gold monkeys [16:29] <Aislinn> same kind that Dumbledore was working on with what's his name [16:29] <Siobhan4hp> Aislinn, you don't give up on your Alchemy research thery do you? *rolleyes* [16:29] <gryffindelle> I think that someone had somehow managed to get lv to agree to save lily [16:29] <Siobhan4hp> Nicholas flamel [16:30] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [16:30] <Val_Halla> Two problems - what's his name was the only known maker of the Ps [16:30] <Aislinn> that's the one, and yes, everyone has their own pet theories [16:30] <gryffindelle> this is where the snape/lily thing makes sense, or at least a snape crush on lily [16:30] <Val_Halla> And DD said LV would not have wanted to rely on a Stone [16:30] <Siobhan4hp> Still not canon though [16:30] <Aislinn> and there is some reason he chose to give her the chance to live [16:31] <Siobhan4hp> It's canon that snape calls lily a mudblood, though [16:31] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [16:31] <Aislinn> and I don't think it was as a favor to Snape [16:31] <gryffindelle> yeah [16:31] <Siobhan4hp> Aislinn, I agree with you for once biggrin [16:31] <Breanna> snape informed lv of how lily could be useful...however that could be [16:31] <Val_Halla> I don't think LV would spare anyone as a favor to anyone [16:31] <Val_Halla> He only does what benefits himself [16:31] <futureweasley> that's a good thing, Siobhan!! She's a smart cookie! [16:31] <Siobhan4hp> Snape is a twisted git [16:32] <Aislinn> I don't think he wanted the research to rely on the stone, val halla, but he is a careful man, and would be looking for any and all answers to his quest for immortality [16:32] <Theoriser> why would voldemort promise somebody that he'd do something, especially one of his death eaters? [16:32] <gryffindelle> ok, maybe it was a favor to peter: he wouldn't tell lv where they live unless lv made a UV with him that he would try to save lily [16:32] <Val_Halla> Granted, Aislinn [16:32] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [16:32] <Theoriser> he just doesn't operate that way [16:32] <Aislinn> and if Lily could give him another back=up, she would be seen as valuable [16:32] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, but LV already had his horcruxes though so he doesn;t need a PS [16:32] <Val_Halla> LV's favor to Peter was not killing him [16:33] <Aislinn> I totally agree theoriser [16:33] <Breanna> don'tcha think the easiest way to immortality is to not anger people? [16:33] <Breanna> and make them want to kill you... [16:33] <Aislinn> not in his eyes [16:33] *** miss_danielle has quit [Bye] [16:33] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah [16:33] <gryffindelle> unless you have a lot of power and can avoid that [16:33] <Breanna> yeah [16:33] <Val_Halla> Aislinn, why wouldn't LV just try to steal the already existing Stone way back then? [16:33] <harryfreak359> hmm [16:33] * Siobhan4hp has nothing more intelligent to say but @Yeah@ [16:33] <Expelliarmas> Lily's sacrifice is said to have given Harry the protection that he has had since her death. Was it just the act of placing herself in front of her son that evoked this power of protection, or was there something more to the protection that she created for her son? [16:34] <Siobhan4hp> "yeah" [16:34] *** miss_danielle has joined #lounge [16:34] <Aislinn> he may have felt it was safer to pursue Lily, as dumbledore is someone he fears [16:34] <futureweasley> Jo said that it was never done before...Lily didn't know that her sacrifice was going to provide the type of protection it did [16:34] <harryfreak359> I think it was just the sacrifice [16:34] <Aislinn> I think he goes after it in PS because he has no other options val halla [16:34] <Siobhan4hp> I think it was stepping in fron t of Harry when she had a clear choice, on where to live or to die protecting Harry [16:35] <Val_Halla> I think just placing herself in harm's way [16:35] <Theoriser> yes [16:35] <harryfreak359> but if she was an "unspeakable" than she would have known something of the power of love, though [16:35] <gryffindelle> I think it was just the sacrifice [16:35] <futureweasley> her instincts were right, and they were the best thing that could have happened (given the circumstances) [16:35] <Breanna> it was love that made her do it...the root of the whole mess is love...dont' we already know that? [16:35] <Aislinn> I think it was just the sacrifice too [16:35] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [16:35] <Aislinn> although there are theories out there that she actually performed some sort of charm on Harry to seal the protection on him [16:35] <Theoriser> her strong emotions could have added to it as well, being determined that harry didn't get hurt [16:36] <Breanna> incredible acts of LOVE did it [16:36] <futureweasley> love is the most powerful magic of all, that is true [16:36] <Aislinn> that his scar actually came from her [16:36] <harryfreak359> yeah Future [16:36] <gryffindelle> hmm, aislinn [16:36] <futureweasley> wow, Aislinn...I'd not heard that one [16:36] <Expelliarmas> I think the scar came from LV's curse backfiring [16:36] <Aislinn> I don't happen to agree with those theories [16:36] <futureweasley> but I don't think it's true...Jo said no [16:36] <harryfreak359> I hadn't heard that either Aislinn [16:36] <Breanna> it is a "CURSED" scar...i dont' think she would curse her son... [16:37] <harryfreak359> but I don't agree with them either [16:37] <Siobhan4hp> No, she wiouldn't [16:37] <harryfreak359> She would do something like that... [16:37] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [16:37] * Siobhan4hp can't type [16:37] <harryfreak359> wouldn't* [16:37] * harryfreak359 can't type either [16:37] <hermeeownee> she was trying to save him - not hurt him.... [16:37] <gryffindelle> yeah [16:37] * Siobhan4hp can't spell [16:37] <Siobhan4hp> yeah [16:38] <harryfreak359> yep [16:38] <futureweasley> you wouldn't know a curse scar from a plain scar just to look at it [16:38] <Aislinn> she was trying to save his life [16:38] <Breanna> hagrid seemed to... [16:38] <harryfreak359> yes she was [16:38] <Theoriser> if she did, it must have been a really unknown spell [16:38] <hermeeownee> Hagrid seemed to ? what? [16:38] <Theoriser> because nobody else in the world has ever had a scar like harry's [16:38] <futureweasley> I think Hagrid was speculating...there's no way he would have known for absolute certain [16:38] <Expelliarmas> Would Lily have had the time to put a charm on Harry? [16:39] <Breanna> you don't think so fw? [16:39] <Expelliarmas> Did Lily always intend to sacrifice herself, in other words, did she intend to invoke the love/blood protection for Harry? [16:39] <futureweasley> no, I really don't [16:39] <Breanna> DD could have told him. [16:39] <harryfreak359> I agree Future [16:39] <Aislinn> I don't think it was planned [16:39] <harryfreak359> No I don't thinks she planned it [16:39] <Val_Halla> I think that it was not planned [16:39] <Aislinn> I think she was just trying to prevent his death in the moment [16:39] <Breanna> nopers [16:39] <Expelliarmas> I think it was instinctive, unplanned [16:39] <harryfreak359> agree Aislinn [16:39] <gryffindelle> I think that it was just spur of the moment [16:39] <miss_danielle> it wasnt planned [16:39] <hermeeownee> I don't think there was enough time - they certainly didn't expect to be found. [16:40] <Aislinn> she and James thought they were protected by the Fidelius charm [16:40] <Siobhan4hp> I don't think it was planned, but I think she would know that she would do it if the time came [16:40] <futureweasley> no, like I said, the lexicon says that Lily had no idea of what her sacrifice would do...either did LV [16:40] <Breanna> well we all agree on this ey? [16:40] <harryfreak359> She was just doing everhting in her power to save her son [16:40] <miss_danielle> exactly hf [16:40] <Aislinn> exactly hf359 [16:40] <futureweasley> right on, right on [16:40] <miss_danielle> :) [16:40] <harryfreak359> *bows* [16:40] * Siobhan4hp nods like a mania [16:40] <miss_danielle> Lol [16:40] <Siobhan4hp> *maniac [16:41] * Siobhan4hp still can't spell [16:41] <Expelliarmas> Lily's love is said to be protecting Harry, yet Voldemort felt that he overcame that protection when he took Harry’s blood. Why, since he was able to touch Harry after that, do we see the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes? [16:41] <Aislinn> ah, that gleam! [16:41] <Breanna> oh dear [16:41] <futureweasley> because Harry is a Horcrux [16:41] <futureweasley> lol [16:41] <harryfreak359> Ahhh... [16:41] <Breanna> that cursed gleam [16:41] <aranelparmadil> Not sure.... [16:41] <miss_danielle> lol [16:41] <Aislinn> Jo said it was highly significant in the Memerson interview [16:41] <Aislinn> and that she hasn't said that about a lot [16:41] <Siobhan4hp> Oh know, this is where I get confused [16:41] <Theoriser> because they are now connected even more strongly [16:41] <Siobhan4hp> *no [16:41] <Theoriser> and this will probably help harry defeat him [16:42] <harryfreak359> I have a million theories on this.... [16:42] <Aislinn> I think so too, theoriser [16:42] <Breanna> this probably secured the "mark as equal" thing [16:42] <harryfreak359> I agree theoriser [16:42] <Aislinn> I think Harry is going to use the connection [16:42] <futureweasley> The gleam of triumph was very quickly extinguished from DD's eyes [16:42] <hermeeownee> what do you think they connection is theoriser? [16:42] <gryffindelle> yes, theoriser, and I think that might have had something to do with his "visions" in book 5 [16:42] <Expelliarmas> Interesting that LV now has a mudblood's blood in his veins [16:42] <Aislinn> doesn't matter though, FW - it was there [16:42] <futureweasley> and he started to look "older than Harry had ever seem him look" [16:42] <Aislinn> he always did expie [16:42] <harryfreak359> I think the gleam was because Voldemort was following the prophecy [16:43] <miss_danielle> definitely [16:43] <Val_Halla> Please no Mr Blood [16:43] <Siobhan4hp> I think the blood will end up being a bad thing for Voldy, DD saiid that Voldy counln't bear possessing Harry because he was so pure, but I tSo I think that the blood will eat away at him because it comes from Harry [16:43] <Expelliarmas> Whose blood, Aislinn? [16:43] <Aislinn> his father's [16:43] <Theoriser> yeah... not bringing up mr blood, but voldemort has harry's blood, whichever way you look at it [16:43] <Expelliarmas> his father was a Muggle, not a mudblood witch? [16:43] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [16:44] <Theoriser> and we've seen that blood is important in the wizard world [16:44] <Val_Halla> In that case LV also has Peter's blood and flesh [16:44] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [16:44] <gryffindelle> I agree hf [16:44] <Expelliarmas> I think it's significant that he took blood which now made him more human, mortal and capable of being killed [16:44] <Aislinn> he's a half blood just like Harry - wouldn't have gotten any more "polluted" in his way of thinking [16:44] <futureweasley> I don't know, but I think that the gleam was significant in helping DD put a puzzle piece in place...but we know know what he "concluded" [16:44] <Theoriser> ooh good point, I'd forgotten about that valhalla [16:44] <Theoriser> that's where the whole life debt thing could be tied in [16:44] <miss_danielle> i agree theoriser [16:44] <futureweasley> whatever it was, I don't think it bodes well for Harry [16:45] <Aislinn> I do = I think it was something really key for Harry [16:45] * Siobhan4hp is confused [16:45] <Aislinn> that will help him ultimately vanquish voldie [16:45] <cloudpic> Not for Harry? What about Voldie? [16:45] <futureweasley> I really hope that's the case, Aislinn [16:45] <gryffindelle> he might now owe the life-debt to harry [16:45] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [16:46] * futureweasley really, really hopes that's the case... [16:46] <Aislinn> why else would we have seen a gleam of triumph? [16:46] <futureweasley> but I just think it's that sentence AFTER the gleam that is important [16:46] * Siobhan4hp agrees with FW [16:46] <cloudpic> ??? [16:46] <Theoriser> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:46] <Aislinn> yeah, but Jo emphasizes that the gleam is important [16:46] <Aislinn> not the sentence after [16:46] <harryfreak359> I think the gleam is important too [16:47] <cloudpic> You don't gleam unless something's good, no? [16:47] <Val_Halla> Perhaps DD realizes that Harry will have an extremely hard time despite whatever possibility for victory he just realized [16:47] <Siobhan4hp> I barely even remember the part about the gleam in the book [16:47] <Aislinn> right, cloupic [16:47] <futureweasley> well, define "good" [16:47] <harryfreak359> usually, cloudpib [16:47] <futureweasley> good in the sense that he sees LV's downfall, and the way to get him? [16:47] <cloudpic> Positive...hopeful...optimistic [16:47] <harryfreak359> cloudpic* [16:47] <Siobhan4hp> triumph' is an interesting word to use though [16:47] <Aislinn> yes, val halla - I think that is why he looked old and tired again right after the gleam [16:47] <gryffindelle> b/c he has pettigrew's flesh, thus the life-debt of peter [16:47] * harryfreak359 is having spelling issues [16:48] <Aislinn> he know how hard the road still is for Harry, even with whatever the gleam was for [16:48] * Siobhan4hp always has spelling issues [16:48] <harryfreak359> yeah aislinn [16:48] <cloudpic> Well, He must have known he wouldn't vanquish Voldie...and that the torch was passed. [16:48] <harryfreak359> what???? [16:48] <Expelliarmas> Simularities are often drawn between Lily and Hermione, and Lily and Ginny. Do you think that either comparison stands up? Why or why not? [16:48] <futureweasley> that's a good way to see it, Cloudpic [16:48] <cloudpic> DD still had work ahead...which may lead to his own end. [16:49] <Theoriser> I like the ginny comparison best [16:49] <Aislinn> I think that Harry managed to find a girl a lot like Mum biggrin [16:49] <cloudpic> Yes, Ginny [16:49] <gryffindelle> no [16:49] <Val_Halla> I always thought Lily and Ginny were purposefully described as similar [16:49] <miss_danielle> me too theoriser [16:49] <Theoriser> because it fits in with james/lily=harry/ginny [16:49] <harryfreak359> ginny [16:49] <Breanna> yep [16:49] <Aislinn> they are both talented and brave and feisty [16:49] <harryfreak359> They are very similar [16:49] <cloudpic> Ginny is very proactive [16:49] <gryffindelle> well, I just don't really follow any of those [16:49] <Breanna> feisty and frisky [16:49] <harryfreak359> and harry and james are similar [16:49] <cloudpic> Hermione more thoughtful [16:49] <futureweasley> I think the 2 most important girls in Harry's life are a lot like his mom [16:50] <harryfreak359> yeah.. [16:50] <cloudpic> Ginny more outgoing and friendly [16:50] <harryfreak359> and more fiesty than hermione [16:50] <aranelparmadil> why not, gryffindelle? [16:50] <cloudpic> Yes..can't picture Hermione frequently using a bat boggy hex [16:50] *** miss_danielle has quit [Bye] [16:50] <harryfreak359> hehe...no cloudpic [16:50] <cloudpic> Hermione only punched Malfoy once... he deserved it lots more [16:51] <gryffindelle> I honestly know very little about the comparisons, I don't find them very interesting [16:51] <futureweasley> she would see that as "undignified" [16:51] <harryfreak359> yep [16:51] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [16:51] <cloudpic> and against the rules [16:51] <futureweasley> welcome back AEN [16:51] <harryfreak359> wb AEN [16:51] <An_Eternal_Night> hello again everyone [16:51] <Siobhan4hp> Hi, AEN [16:51] <Expelliarmas> Well, Hermione seems to be good at just about everything, and we suspect Lily was also [16:51] <futureweasley> I don't really see Lily as a "rule-breaker" though [16:51] <Aislinn> just in time for the last question AEN! [16:51] <An_Eternal_Night> oh good [16:51] <cloudpic> Hmmm... [16:52] <futureweasley> whereas, Ginny has that Fred & George influence [16:52] <harryfreak359> she was "cheeky' though remember...hermione is not cheeky [16:52] <An_Eternal_Night> what's the question? [16:52] <Expelliarmas> Meanwhile, Ginny has the red hair, green eyes, and temperament of Lily [16:52] <Siobhan4hp> Ginny has brown eyes [16:52] <Aislinn> right now we're talking about the similarities between Lily and Ginny [16:52] <An_Eternal_Night> oh cool! [16:52] <futureweasley> or Lily and Hermione [16:52] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny has brown eyes [16:52] <Expelliarmas> and Lily and Hermione [16:52] <cloudpic> And the point was made that Lily had lots of admirers...so does Ginny [16:52] <Aislinn> right FW, sorry [16:52] <futureweasley> :LOL: [16:52] <Theoriser> that's interesting, harry has lily's colour eyes and ginny has james's [16:53] <harryfreak359> yeah [16:53] <Expelliarmas> I thought Hermione had the brown eyes? [16:53] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, I think they are both confident and popular [16:53] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, she does [16:53] <harryfreak359> they both have brown eyes expel [16:53] <harryfreak359> ooh, I never thought of that theoriser [16:53] *** Spown has joined #lounge [16:53] <Spown> hi everyone [16:53] <An_Eternal_Night> Lily and Hermione are both muggle-born, that's probably been said though [16:54] <Aislinn> hi spown [16:54] <futureweasley> hello Spown [16:54] <harryfreak359> hi spown [16:54] <Expelliarmas> In HBP, Slughorn fondly recalls Lily as: "Lily Evans. One of the brightest I ever taught. Vivacious, you know. Charming girl. I used to tell her she ought to have been in my House. Very cheeky answers I used to get back too." Why would Slughorn think Lily would have fit into Slytherin? [16:54] <Spown> did I miss it? [16:54] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Spown [16:54] <Siobhan4hp> Hi [16:54] <Aislinn> almost, spown [16:54] <gryffindelle> hi spown [16:54] <futureweasley> because she's brilliant [16:54] <cloudpic> I got the notion that Lily and Ginny are both fine students, but it's not what they're most known for at school like Hermione [16:54] <harryfreak359> That is a creepy thought expel [16:54] <Aislinn> 5 minutes [16:54] <Breanna> ambitious [16:54] <harryfreak359> but I think it was because he wanted his fave sutdents in Slytherin [16:54] <Spown> I think Slughorn wanted Lily in his house, that's all [16:54] <harryfreak359> students* [16:54] <gryffindelle> because he's jealous of her talent [16:55] <Expelliarmas> creepy but interesting because Harry had issues about being in Slytherin [16:55] <Spown> yeah [16:55] <Aislinn> I think that he collects trophies, and wanted her in his own house - it had to do with him, not with her [16:55] <An_Eternal_Night> yeah hf [16:55] <cloudpic> Sure...I thought that's what he meant by that comment...Slytherins are amibitious [16:55] <Val_Halla> I agree hf [16:55] <Breanna> speaking of lily and ginny comparisons wouldn't it have been weird if ginny ended up a slytherin? [16:55] <Theoriser> not all slytherins are bad [16:55] <gryffindelle> and that it wasn't in his houser [16:55] <Theoriser> she may have just been clever [16:55] <futureweasley> I hope Lily didn't exhibit traits like "looks out for oneself" that would make Slughorn think she belonged in Slytherin [16:55] <gryffindelle> *house [16:55] <cloudpic> No, I agree... not bad [16:55] <harryfreak359> gryffindelle, why would he be jealous? [16:55] <Spown> but ginny is in Gr because she's brave [16:55] <Theoriser> and since slytherins are sly and cunning, he could have thought that she would have been good there [16:55] <futureweasley> yes, Theoriser, that could fit [16:56] <Aislinn> I don't see him picking her for Slytherin qualities [16:56] <futureweasley> all but that "blood bias" fit [16:56] <Spown> man, I've missed the whole discussion! sad [16:56] <Expelliarmas> Slughorn also wanted Sirius so he could have the "set" [16:56] <Breanna> pretty much... [16:56] <Aislinn> right, expie [16:56] <Spown> I thought it was 5-7pm [16:56] <Aislinn> he just likes to collect [16:56] <futureweasley> the "set"? [16:56] <Breanna> 3-5 [16:56] <Spown> yeah [16:56] <cloudpic> There's one thing I think all three of these girls/women have in common: I'd not be surprised at any of them sacrificing themselves for those they loved. [16:56] <Spown> like collectibles [16:56] <Expelliarmas> he had regulus in his house [16:56] <gryffindelle> because whe's really smart [16:56] <Val_Halla> Regulus and Sirius [16:56] <Spown> kind of weird if you ask me [16:56] <Aislinn> both brothers FW [16:56] <futureweasley> oh, yes...I see [16:56] <harryfreak359> Sirius and Regulus , Future [16:56] <gryffindelle> *she's [16:56] <An_Eternal_Night> very true cloudpic [16:57] <hermeeownee> but isn't that the definition of a gryffendor? [16:57] <Siobhan4hp> True [16:57] <Spown> yep [16:57] <cloudpic> I hope it isn't necessary ever again! [16:57] <Val_Halla> I still think of Hermione as being more like Mrs Weasley (who also would sacrifice herself BTW) [16:57] <Siobhan4hp> me neither [16:57] <harryfreak359> yeah but SLughorn doesn't want the limelight...he wants to be in the background, gryffindelle [16:58] <harryfreak359> I agree val halla [16:58] <gryffindelle> but he wants to have smart ppl in his house [16:58] <cloudpic> And he likes the way his connections make his life easier [16:58] <Spown> Slughorn is the perfect Slytherin-cunning and slye, always thinks for himself [16:58] <Expelliarmas> Do you think we will see Lily in some form again in Book 7? How do you think this will occur? [16:58] <Spown> PS I can't find a good color today! [16:58] <Siobhan4hp> No [16:58] <Spown> no [16:58] <Spown> we're done with harry's parents [16:58] <Breanna> no [16:58] <Val_Halla> Memories in the Pensieve! [16:58] <harryfreak359> I think that we will learn more about her [16:59] <Expelliarmas> I think she'll be in someone's memory, like say, Petunia [16:59] <gryffindelle> yes, at least a mention of her, but probably another memory in the pensieve [16:59] <An_Eternal_Night> I think we will see her in the pensieve again, possibly [16:59] <harryfreak359> but she won't be around in any form [16:59] <Spown> we'll learn more but we won't see her in person [16:59] <Aislinn> I could see him seeing something in the Pensieve [16:59] <futureweasley> let's hope that it doesn't involve Priori Incantardim [16:59] <Theoriser> actually I think we'll see her again, but in memories [16:59] <gryffindelle> also [16:59] <Siobhan4hp> They'll be in Harry;s heart, but that's it. [16:59] <cloudpic> Behind the veil like Odysseus visiting his mother in the Underworld??? [16:59] <harryfreak359> but the pensieve is good idea [16:59] <Aislinn> again - wild theories out there [16:59] <hermeeownee> I think we will have to hear more about lily in some for - be it pensive, or through talking with Petunia. [16:59] <futureweasley> but I see Petunia giving up something BIG, and it will include Lily [16:59] <Aislinn> some have mentioned seeing her beyond the veil [16:59] <harryfreak359> me too Future [16:59] <cloudpic> It has precident in other lit. [16:59] <futureweasley> no, the veil will just take you to Sweden [16:59] <Spown> I think Petunia loved her sister [17:00] <Siobhan4hp> LOL [17:00] <An_Eternal_Night> lol [17:00] <futureweasley> me too [17:00] <harryfreak359> wow....these go by too quicly [17:00] <Siobhan4hp> The veil takes you too Narnia [17:00] <An_Eternal_Night> sirius will be found in Sweden! [17:00] <hermeeownee> Sweden? [17:00] <harryfreak359> quickly [17:00] <Spown> i mean, they're SISTERS for pete's sake [17:00] <hermeeownee> aha.... [17:00] <futureweasley> it's a really out there theory [17:00] <harryfreak359> narnia...lol [17:00] <Spown> narnia!!! LOL! [17:00] <Val_Halla> I agree, Spown [17:00] <Spown> i think Petunia acts the way she does because of her husband [17:01] <Aislinn> wow - this chat went really fast! [17:01] * harryfreak359 is proud her computer didn't have too many problems today [17:01] <hermeeownee> and because of fear... [17:01] <Aislinn> great discussion, everyone! [17:01] <futureweasley> good job, Harryfreak! [17:01] <harryfreak359> lol [17:01] * An_Eternal_Night applauds harryfreak's computer [17:01] <Expelliarmas> Thanks for the chat everyone [17:01] <harryfreak359> grin [17:01] <Spown> go harryfreak! [17:01] * Siobhan4hp is tired [17:01] <harryfreak359> this was fun! [17:01] <Spown> oh, can we move to the Study Hall in CoC? [17:01] <An_Eternal_Night> this was tons of fun [17:01] <Aislinn> tomorrow will hopefully be the next PotterCast chat, if its out in time [17:01] <Spown> i want to catch up [17:01] * harryfreak359 has a back ache from sitting at the computer too long [17:02] <cloudpic> Stretch!! [17:02] <Spown> oh, suck it up! [17:02] <Aislinn> you can move there if you want, spown - it won't be a moderated chat though [17:02] <Siobhan4hp> It's only 10 o clock ut I'm knackered [17:02] <aranelparmadil> Really interesting, thanks! [17:02] <gryffindelle> ok, spown [17:02] <hermeeownee> I wish the pottercast discussion wasn't while I was at work!!! [17:02] <hermeeownee> wait - its labor day - [17:02] <Spown> ok, if you guys want, we can move to CoC. it's fun in there [17:02] <Spown> yeah, and I have school on tuesday [17:02] <futureweasley> thanks for coming everyone! don't forget to vote for next week's topic [17:02] <futureweasley> don't forget to vote in next week's poll [17:02] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [17:02] <Spown> I HATE SCHOOL [17:02] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [17:02] <harryfreak359> Bye all! [17:02] <gryffindelle> ok, spown [17:02] <Siobhan4hp> CoC hates me, It neather accepts me [17:03] <gryffindelle> see you there! [17:03] <Spown> bye! [17:03] <Aislinn> see you next time, peeps! [17:03] <gryffindelle> byebye [17:03] <Siobhan4hp> *Never [17:03] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [17:03] <Breanna> i'll be there [17:03] <hermeeownee> bye everyone [17:03] <An_Eternal_Night> goodbye everyone! see you all soon! [17:03] <Breanna> adios amigos [17:03] <Siobhan4hp> I need to go to bed anyway [17:03] <Aislinn> bye all [17:03] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [17:03] <Spown> are you guys closing snuffles? [17:03] <harryfreak359> laters [17:03] <aranelparmadil> bye! [17:03] <Theoriser> bye everyone [17:03] <cloudpic> Enjoyed the bit of chat I was here for! Thanks and goodbye everyone! [17:03] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [17:03] <Siobhan4hp> Bight1 [17:03] <Siobhan4hp> *Night [17:03] <Val_Halla> Cheers, everyone! [17:03] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [17:03] <Siobhan4hp> Bye [17:03] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [17:03] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [17:03] <Spown> bye everyone! I'll be at Study Hall! 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