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Post-Prince Predictions: Horcruxes November 12, 2006 Today’s Chat Moderators Were: Expelliarmas, fawkes28, futureweasly, Poet, and, SoonerGryffindor [14:59] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [15:00] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:00] <JaneMarple9> Hello (((Expel, Sooner and Future))))) [15:01] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [15:01] <Evreka> Hi [15:01] <Expelliarmas> Heya Jane [15:01] <Expelliarmas> Hello Evreka [15:01] <JaneMarple9> hi Evreka [15:01] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [15:02] <Evreka> brb [15:02] *** amyluhu has joined #lounge [15:02] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys!!!! [15:02] <amyluhu> ey [15:02] <JaneMarple9> hi there smile [15:03] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [15:03] <Expelliarmas> how's everybody doing today? [15:03] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> today we have a great topic, eh? Hi jane and amy [15:03] <Pellinore> good topic ;o [15:03] <JaneMarple9> good to se you Adam [15:03] <amyluhu> great-baking cookies so i will be in and out [15:03] <JaneMarple9> hi there Pellinore [15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> and all other guys!!! I'm fine txs.. how's everybody else [15:03] <adamgryff> hi all [15:03] <JaneMarple9> I'm good Expel [15:03] <Pellinore> hi Jane & all o; [15:04] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [15:04] <futureweasley> hi everyone [15:04] <JaneMarple9> hi there AEN [15:04] <Pellinore> what kinda cookies? anyone try the Soft Pumpkin Cookie recipe in the crafts Forum? [15:04] *** Punky has joined #lounge [15:04] <An_Eternal_Night> hello [15:04] <futureweasley> sorry, I'm a bit out of it today! [15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> hi future [15:04] <futureweasley> hi Punky [15:04] <adamgryff> hi future and punky [15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> hello punky... [15:04] <Expelliarmas> Hey, Jane, how's the weather? [15:04] <futureweasley> hi adam! [15:04] <futureweasley> hug [15:05] <JaneMarple9> dark smile [15:05] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [15:05] *** Punky has joined #lounge [15:05] <Expelliarmas> well, that's ominous [15:05] <adamgryff> don't worry future I'm a lot out of it today [15:05] <Expelliarmas> Needless to say, as I get closer to my trip I'll ask more weather related questions [15:05] <futureweasley> I would like to try that recipe, Pellinore [15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone [15:05] <Punky> sorry couldn't type before, Hi guys smile [15:06] <adamgryff> hi sooner [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> how are you adam? [15:06] <JaneMarple9> when are you coming to england Expel? [15:06] <MafaldaWeasley> hey sooner! [15:06] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Punky [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hey mafalda [15:06] <Expelliarmas> I arrive 12/9 [15:06] <adamgryff> Ummm not sure sooner [15:06] <Pellinore> They didn't put the recipe up on the list but i posted it under Crafts/Food/Cookies [15:06] <JaneMarple9> oh over here for Christmas smile good! [15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither adam. We can be invalids together here [15:06] <adamgryff> sounds good to me [15:07] <Expelliarmas> well, just short of Christmas, Jane. I'll be back down here by 12/23 [15:07] <Pellinore> i have a trail mix recipe that's really good (baked) but they haven't posted it yet.. i could post it under the forums if anyone's interested [15:07] <amyluhu> one batch of snicker doodles done, one to go [15:07] <JaneMarple9> I'm sure you'll enjoy it Expel! [15:07] <amyluhu> what did i miss [15:07] <Expelliarmas> I think so, Jane, really looking forward to it [15:07] <futureweasley> I love trail mix...go ahead and post it. There's a thread for recipes that I'm managed to MISS?! [15:07] <An_Eternal_Night> snickerdoodles are my favorite cookie, yum [15:08] <amyluhu> i cheated i am making the last of some premade dough i had [15:08] <amyluhu> mmmm [15:08] <Expelliarmas> brb [15:08] <Evreka> future, did you see my PM a little while ago? [15:08] <Pellinore> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry968318 [15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> owww, i'm getting hungry.. it's almost dinner time here in brazil.. [15:08] *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge [15:08] <futureweasley> yes, thank you Evreka. I just got it and fixed the problem [15:09] <futureweasley> :thumbsup: [15:09] <Evreka> smile [15:09] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> hey alexk!!!!! [15:09] <JaneMarple9> hi Alexk [15:09] <adamgryff> hi alexk [15:09] <stupifiant_horcri> Hey guys! [15:09] <futureweasley> hi stupifiant and Alex [15:09] <adamgryff> hi stupifiant [15:09] <MafaldaWeasley> hello stupifiant [15:09] <Evreka> adamgryff! What are you doing here! :o [15:09] <amyluhu> hi [15:10] <JaneMarple9> looking forward to discussing horcruxes today smile [15:10] <stupifiant_horcri> -yawns- Me too. [15:10] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> me too jane!! [15:10] <amyluhu> so horcruxes.......what an open topic [15:10] <stupifiant_horcri> Im still all hyper from last nights movie [15:10] <MafaldaWeasley> it's going to be very interesting [15:10] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [15:10] <stupifiant_horcri> Yeah [15:10] <adamgryff> nothing evreka smile [15:10] <Punky> me too last night was fun! [15:10] <Alexk> hello everyone! sorry, my typing bar wasn't working for a second there [15:10] <stupifiant_horcri> I still belive its Horcri [15:10] <stupifiant_horcri> I had to leave around 10:00 ish [15:11] <stupifiant_horcri> and by the time I returned, it was over! [15:11] <Pellinore> me 2 but i may need to leave.. my dad's birthday and we haven't figured out what we're doing this evening yet [15:11] <JaneMarple9> It sounds as if movie night was a great success [15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> oww, yesterday i had problems and couldn't get back.. [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> last night was a hoot [15:11] <futureweasley> Movie Night rocked [15:11] <Alexk> wooayt! [15:11] <futureweasley> PWNed, actually [15:11] <stupifiant_horcri> Yah [15:11] <An_Eternal_Night> I had so much fun [15:11] <Evreka> Hi Sooner and Punky! smile [15:11] <JaneMarple9> hoping to atend the next one then! [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Evreka [15:11] <adamgryff> I couldn't keep up last night so sad [15:11] <stupifiant_horcri> me too. [15:11] <Alexk> guess what? [15:11] <Punky> so snape in curlers will be a horcrux fw? [15:11] <Punky> Hi Evreka smile [15:11] <stupifiant_horcri> escpecially seeing old dumblydor [15:11] <amyluhu> what [15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> what Alex? [15:11] <Alexk> Evreka has scones!!!!! [15:11] <futureweasley> lol Punky...I'm going to have to find a place to put that [15:11] <Expelliarmas> Can't wait to do Movie Night for the UK/Europe! [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I've never had scones [15:12] <JaneMarple9> that sounds a intriguing horcrux Punky! [15:12] <Evreka> lol had, before everyone grabbed them devil2 [15:12] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [15:12] <Alexk> *gsp* [15:12] <stupifiant_horcri> Scones are delish! [15:12] <futureweasley> welcome MrMcG [15:12] <adamgryff> hi Mr. McG [15:12] <Alexk> no scones?! [15:12] <JaneMarple9> oh scones....love them biggrin [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> hi,Mr McG [15:12] <stupifiant_horcri> Welcome! [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> what exactly is in a scone? [15:12] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:12] <Punky> hi MrMcG [15:12] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [15:12] <Expelliarmas> scones are great! get them at Starbucks, Sooner, with a lovely Maple Macchiato [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Mr M [15:12] <amyluhu> i have only had scones at panera bread. tasty [15:12] <Alexk> shunnn, sooner [15:12] <futureweasley> hi HarryFreak [15:12] <Alexk> jk [15:12] <stupifiant_horcri> Want me to whip up some brownies? [15:12] <adamgryff> Hi hf [15:12] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, this is was i was about to ask sooner [15:12] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Mr M, hi harryfreak [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, I had that maple macchiato Expie [15:12] <Pellinore> I'm curious is there a thread about Meropi possibly being a ghost? haven't been able to find it anywhere. [15:12] <Evreka> Hi MrMcG with the magical avatar! smile [15:12] <stupifiant_horcri> shun the nonbeliver! SHUNNN! [15:12] <harryfreak359> hi! [15:12] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> you were right on that being smackalicious [15:13] <Expelliarmas> good, right? smackalicious [15:13] <Alexk> they're like baked bread like things with fruit in them [15:13] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Evreka! [15:13] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [15:13] <JaneMarple9> not sure how to describe scones [15:13] <harryfreak359> testing... [15:13] <harryfreak359> whew [15:13] <JaneMarple9> yes Alexk just like thet! [15:13] <amyluhu> i don't think merpoi was afraid of dying. so i don't think she would be a ghost [15:13] <Expelliarmas> you're here hf [15:13] <futureweasley> you're here!! [15:13] <futureweasley> yay! [15:13] <Alexk> lol [15:13] <Pellinore> scones are an alternate to donuts [15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> well, as soon as I am feeling up to snuff, I will get one from Starbucks [15:13] <JaneMarple9> 10 out 10 HF! [15:13] <Alexk> hi hf! [15:13] <harryfreak359> I had computer problems smile [15:13] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Merope longed for the sweet release of death. [15:13] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh We know this here as Panetone.. if I'm not mistaken [15:13] <stupifiant_horcri> Hold on, I gotta pump up my heater [15:13] <Expelliarmas> no computer probs today! [15:13] <Alexk> good sooner, you're missing out [15:13] <amyluhu> agree [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> hello harryfreak [15:14] <stupifiant_horcri> back [15:14] <harryfreak359> Hello! [15:14] <Alexk> but i don't know, starbucks scones might be stale [15:14] <stupifiant_horcri> I think im sick [15:14] <Expelliarmas> have the cinnamon chip scones at Starbucks Sooner, you'll recover asap [15:14] <Alexk> it''s a commercial business [15:14] <stupifiant_horcri> XD [15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [15:14] <harryfreak359> yummy, that's sounds good [15:14] <amyluhu> my question is, do you think there is a horcrux in hogwarts since it is one of the places vold showed power [15:14] <Pellinore> I thought that Sir Nick said he wasn't afraid of death.. its something else.. like they feel they still have something left to do [15:14] <Expelliarmas> nah, they make them fresh [15:14] <JaneMarple9> scones are even more delicious with clotted crean and jam! :P [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> oww gosh! you guys are amking me hungry [15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> hahaha [15:14] <futureweasley> yum Expie...I love Cinnamon Chip anything [15:14] <harryfreak359> I've never had them before... [15:14] <stupifiant_horcri> I want something from starbucks now [15:14] <Alexk> sconey sconey scone scone Mafalda! [15:15] <amyluhu> i thought it was people afraid of death [15:15] <Expelliarmas> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [15:15] <stupifiant_horcri> -waves wand to get starbucks- [15:15] <Expelliarmas> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:15] <Expelliarmas> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Aislinn got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:15] <Expelliarmas> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:16] <Expelliarmas> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:16] <futureweasley> The Horcruxes have been widely debated since their introduction in Chapter 23 of Half-Blood Prince, appropriately titled "Horcruxes". [15:16] <futureweasley> Jo skillfully presents the Horcruxes to the reader by having Professor Dumbledore explain the concept to Harry in a one-on-one private lesson. A Horcrux is: 'the receptacle in which a Dark wizard has hidden a fragment of his soul for the purposes of attaining immortality'. (source: www.hp-lexicon.org/devices/horcruxes.html#def) [15:16] <futureweasley> Professor Dumbledore has Harry procure a memory from Professor Horace Slughorn in which he recalls Tom Riddle inquiring as to how to make a horcrux, Tom reveils that he believes that 7 Horcruxes seems more likely to obtain immortality than a mere 1 would. [15:16] <futureweasley> Professor Dumbledore also verbalized to Harry that he had to do some educated guesswork in an attempt to figure out where the remaining Horcruxes are. It was made plain that it is essential to find and destroy the Horcruxes if there was ever to be a chance of defeating Lord Voldemort. [15:17] <futureweasley> There are 2 Horcruxes that have been confirmed as destroyed: The Diary (CoS), and The Gaunt's Ring (HBP). We have also been shown (with the most certainty) what 2 other Horcruxes are: Slytherin's Locket and Hufflepuff's cup. [15:17] <futureweasley> Professor Dumbledore further speculated that the remaining 3 Horcruxes were: something of Gryffindor's, something of Ravenclaw's, and Nagini (his "pet" snake). [15:17] <futureweasley> Now that you are up to speed on what exactly Horcruxes are, let's move on to the discussion! [15:17] <futureweasley> What made Professor Dumbledore suspect that Tom Riddle had started to make Horcruxes? Was there a specific event that solidified in Dumbledore's mind that his inclination was right? [15:18] <stupifiant_horcri> Yaay! [15:18] <Pellinore> 3+2+2 = 7.. thought there's only 6 horcruxes [15:18] *** Fabulous_Prewett has joined #lounge [15:18] <JaneMarple9> :wizard: for stupifiant horcri smile [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> one got remade Pellinore [15:18] <amyluhu> yep 6 horcri [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that it was the physical changes that TR had [15:18] <Evreka> Well he tells us, when the Memory in the Diary walked and talked and thought for itself [15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was at the end of CoS [15:18] <harryfreak359> I think that Dumbledore knew that Tom wanted to be more than any other wizard [15:18] <JaneMarple9> well by my reckoning 7 horcruxes, 7 books [15:18] <Alexk> me too sooner [15:18] <MrMcGonagall> I was thinking about this last night after the movie chat. What made everyone convinced LV had been vanquished? Was there a body, or pieces of it, at godric's Hollow? [15:18] <Fabulous_Prewett> yeah [15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> but he confirmed his suspicious when he heard about the diary [15:18] <stupifiant_horcri> Yeah [15:18] <harryfreak359> so he probably always had a inkling [15:18] <adamgryff> I think DD knew after the diary at the end of COS [15:19] <JaneMarple9> so there is a horcrux in each book [15:19] <Fabulous_Prewett> I think they wanted to believe he was gone [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> good question Mr M. I think that will be answered next book [15:19] <Alexk> lol, the books are the horcruxes jane [15:19] <stupifiant_horcri> Inkling= ink [15:19] <Fabulous_Prewett> heh [15:19] <harryfreak359> But I agree with Adam, the diary was probably when he knew for sure [15:19] <amyluhu> i thot dumbl said 6 horcruxes because the seventh part was the part within vold [15:19] <stupifiant_horcri> XD, nice theorie [15:19] <JaneMarple9> I think Dumbledore thought something when he heard about the diary [15:19] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD suspected it after Godric's Hollow, but I don't think he suspected multiple horcruxes until CoS. [15:19] <Fabulous_Prewett> the last book is going to cover a few years then [15:19] <amyluhu> yes when he heard about the diary [15:19] <Evreka> No that's when he got suspicious, the two years later he had proof: [15:19] <futureweasley> I think that DD only started putting the pieces together after Harry went after the Sorcerer's Stone in the first book [15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that DD knows of so many things, and a lot of different things could have been tried by LV, but when he saw the diary at the end of CoS is when he knew for suere [15:20] <Fabulous_Prewett> how can harry destroy them unless he can sense the magic? [15:20] <adamgryff> agree sooner [15:20] <Alexk> is it with dd who he talks about 7 being a lucky number or slughorn? [15:20] <stupifiant_horcri> Well, I think I am going to poof. I cant think of anything to say except for my Underwater Horcrux theorie [15:20] <Evreka> When Harry told him that LV hsaid he'd gone further than any other wizard towards immortality [15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Slughorn. That was the whole point of getting the memory [15:20] <Pellinore> LV says it to Slughorn who agrees [15:20] <JaneMarple9> He have to have Hermione's intelligent thinking to help him [15:20] <Evreka> Slughorn Alexk [15:21] <futureweasley> Is Professor Dumbledore correct about Tom Riddle's obsession with the founders? Why is Lord Voldemort so fixated on the founders of Hogwarts? [15:21] <amyluhu> ok yes he dumbledor prob started thinking about different ways of immortality when vold tried to get the sorc stone [15:21] <Fabulous_Prewett> I keep thinking about the protrait, and the pensive [15:21] <JaneMarple9> He is interested in the past [15:21] <Evreka> This is a very good question... [15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is because like Harry he considers it his home [15:21] <Pellinore> Hogwarts was tmr's 1st home and a seat of power in the wizard world [15:21] <An_Eternal_Night> Dumbledore is correct [15:21] <amyluhu> the founders were powerful and made the school he loved [15:21] *** HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [15:21] <adamgryff> Yes, LV is very interested in traditional things [15:21] <MrMcGonagall> The fascination of history, enhanced by the fact that he is a direct descendant of a founder. [15:21] <JaneMarple9> he is fascinated in the history of Hogwarts [15:21] *** ph63915 has joined #lounge [15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> i think because they were not only pure blood but also because they created the most important place in LV's life [15:22] <ph63915> hi all [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hello ph [15:22] *** HPotterExpert2 has quit [Bye] [15:22] <Evreka> I would guess it's becaused the were believed to be so very great, so skilled - and that they are legends now [15:22] <stupifiant_horcri> Hey! [15:22] <JaneMarple9> he wants to find out more about Salazer [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> hey ph [15:22] <futureweasley> I think, since LV is the Heir of Slytherin, he's become obsessed with his heritage...and these are 4 very powerful wizards [15:22] <Alexk> Hogwarts was his only home, he wants to know as much about it as he can [15:22] <Evreka> There's one thing that doesn't fit though [15:22] <stupifiant_horcri> Yeah [15:22] <Alexk> and possibly someday takeover [15:22] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's a power thing, as well. The founders were powerful wizards, Hogwarts is a center of magical learning and the accumlated knowledge of centuries. [15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> well, being SS's heir probably solidified his POV on Hogwarts importance as well [15:22] <Fabulous_Prewett> he may know the secrets of the castle better than anyone [15:22] <stupifiant_horcri> I have a wierd hteorie [15:22] <futureweasley> He wants his name to be as big and meaningful as the Founders [15:22] <futureweasley> as respected [15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> what evreka? [15:22] <Fabulous_Prewett> what doesn't fit? [15:22] <Evreka> if he takes artefacts from his victims.... HOW are these founders his victims? [15:22] <JaneMarple9> yes Tom wants to take over Hogwarts somehow [15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> as long as it relates to the question stupifant, we can hear it [15:23] <stupifiant_horcri> Okay! [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> mmmm i don't think he takes only things from is victms [15:23] <futureweasley> no one said that the artifacts for his horcruxes are from "victims" [15:23] <Evreka> what is it horcri? [15:23] <Punky> By using them as horcruxes they are "victims" in a sense though, right? [15:23] <stupifiant_horcri> Well, what about an underwater horcrux? Like in the bottom of the black lake? [15:23] <MafaldaWeasley> but he wanted those objects, so that's why he murdered them [15:23] <futureweasley> horcri si non-canon for "horcruxes" [15:24] <Evreka> lol, that's a point Punky smile [15:24] <Fabulous_Prewett> but the ones he killed did alwasy have the objects [15:24] <Fabulous_Prewett> ^didn't [15:24] <amyluhu> i thinkblack lake may be out because we don't know of anything powerful vold did there [15:24] <Alexk> i have a feeling the last horcrux is at godric's hollow [15:24] <stupifiant_horcri> He could of hidden one like he hid the locket [15:24] <Evreka> No, they didn't say he only takes from victims, but he do takes from victims (also) [15:24] <JaneMarple9> he wanted to have power [15:24] <Pellinore> I would expect the horcruxes to be in places we've already visited.. all but one maybe.. to make it look like we could have figure out where they were. [15:24] <MafaldaWeasley> noo I'm saying guys whit founder's object, like Hepzibah, and his family [15:24] <stupifiant_horcri> Hmmm, a horcrux at GH [15:24] <Pellinore> her [15:25] <stupifiant_horcri> what would it be then? A towl? [15:25] <Expelliarmas> LV feels like he is linked to the founders through SS, he has a strong idea that all of them are somehow his inheritance [15:25] <amyluhu> the other 2 were in gaunt house and cave so yes godrics hollow [15:25] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking one of the horcruxes is at Hogwarts...in a certain place [15:25] <futureweasley> he stole from victims when he was young, and he stole other things as he grew up... [15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah expelli.. I think he feels like he owns it by rigth [15:25] <Alexk> something of gryffindor's could be found at his hollow? [15:25] <amyluhu> i think hogwarts too [15:25] <MrMcGonagall> Riddle's little collection. [15:25] <amyluhu> maybe in the cos??? [15:25] <Expelliarmas> He wasn't just stealing from victims--he was taking trophies [15:25] <Evreka> Well, he entered Hogwarts the very first day, to that harbour under the school, it must have been a most important day for LV [15:25] <stupifiant_horcri> Wait, was GH the neighborhood? [15:25] <futureweasley> right, Expie [15:25] <Fabulous_Prewett> do important places get built into a museum? maybe harry's parents house is a historical building [15:25] <Pellinore> I'd guess one is the tiera in the RoRequirement's hide away room. [15:26] <JaneMarple9> maybe, but I am thinking somewhere else [15:26] <amyluhu> so maybe a rabbits foot hocrux [15:26] <Expelliarmas> it's something psychopaths do [15:26] <amyluhu> lol [15:26] <futureweasley> Hey guys, I'm asking the questions...we will get to everything, I promise [15:26] <Alexk> oops sorry fw [15:26] <amyluhu> sorry [15:26] <Fabulous_Prewett> sorry [15:26] <futureweasley> it's cool [15:26] <Pellinore> doh ;o [15:26] <JaneMarple9> Hurrah Pelli smile I am convinced about the tiara [15:26] <stupifiant_horcri> sorry! [15:26] <futureweasley> just try to stay on topic, k? [15:26] *** Fabulous_Prewett has quit [Bye] [15:26] <futureweasley> Has Professor Dumbledore procured more memories that will help Harry find the remaining Horcruxes? If so, how/where will Harry find them? [15:26] <stupifiant_horcri> XD, Voldie and his horcrux Tiara [15:26] <Alexk> i think so [15:27] <adamgryff> yes, I think he has [15:27] <JaneMarple9> sorry future....promises to stay on topic [15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he has some memories of his own, like the one about the ring's destruction [15:27] <harryfreak359> yah I think so [15:27] <stupifiant_horcri> I think he has [15:27] <Expelliarmas> I think DD shared all the memories he was going to share with Harry [15:27] <Pellinore> probably be told where they are by Portrait DD [15:27] <Alexk> he wouldn't leave harry with nothing [15:27] <An_Eternal_Night> I think he has, and in the only place where Harry can find them! his pensieve [15:27] <amyluhu> yes, [15:27] <Evreka> I doubt it, but it's a cool thought [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> Yes. I think the attic of the orphanage is one - site of the bunny massacre. [15:27] <stupifiant_horcri> ANd thank god he taught Harry how to use the Penisive! [15:27] <Pellinore> either that or a will [15:27] <Expelliarmas> Well, AEN, DD might have stored those memories in jars, though [15:27] <JaneMarple9> I think Dumbledore has put some of his thoughts and memories in a safe place [15:27] <futureweasley> I am interested, if DD did leave behind further instructions, why he didn't insist on meeting with Harry more in his 6th year [15:27] <Alexk> I'm thinking that Aberforth would be useful in navigating around the pensieve [15:27] <JaneMarple9> and Harry will use the penseive to discover more [15:27] <futureweasley> I feel like Harry is going to be thrown to the wolves [15:28] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, jane. i really doubt he would have left it into the pensieve [15:28] <An_Eternal_Night> yes, that's possible [15:28] <Alexk> Harry doesn't just want random memories thrown at him [15:28] <amyluhu> dd was gone alot harry's 6th year [15:28] <stupifiant_horcri> Mabey he knew he would be killed soon? [15:28] <Evreka> What if RAB had a Pensieve though - or someone else? [15:28] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder whether DD specifically chose to go after the hard to find horcruxes, like the cave. [15:28] <Pellinore> i felt like we were given a major clue to DD's personality in the way that DD nearly ignored Harry in the cave [15:28] <Expelliarmas> No, fw, DD taught Harry everything he needed to know; now he has to rely on his friends and his own brains to see him through [15:28] <adamgryff> no future there is always someone there to help out [15:28] <JaneMarple9> If Dumbledore had made a will though...it could be revealing [15:28] <futureweasley> that's a possibility, MrMcG [15:28] <JaneMarple9> someone always is there is help Harry [15:28] <futureweasley> and you are right about that, too, Adam [15:28] <stupifiant_horcri> Oops! GOtta go! [15:29] <JaneMarple9> theres Lupin and McGonagal [15:29] *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] [15:29] <futureweasley> bye [15:29] <Evreka> I agree Expie [15:29] <Alexk> bye [15:29] <Pellinore> which would tie into why DD didn't do more to pass on information to Harry as he focus's mostly on what he has to do and ignores others. [15:29] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD did give Harry the information that will help him track them down, by trying to show him how LV thinks. [15:29] <Evreka> Not in the end Jane... and we're getting to that end soon [15:29] <futureweasley> Expie, you aren't worried that it's going to be a little much? Like trying to find a needle in a haystack for Harry? [15:29] <adamgryff> yes, Mr. McG [15:29] <Pellinore> besides JkR will want Harry to do some of it on his own so only gave him primer information not a check list. [15:29] <MafaldaWeasley> but dd told harry to trust only hermione and ron, on sharing info, i think.. if he left it MM won't have a clue [15:30] <amyluhu> vold leaves trails and doesn't clean up messes. harry will find them. dd will leave some kind of help [15:30] <Alexk> i think dd's portrait might guide Harry with what to do with the pensieve, even if it's just a portrait, it's a portrait of dd, and you never know what dd has up his sleeve, or his portrait for that matter [15:30] <Evreka> Yeah, but that was when Harry still had him, Albus alive and kicking [15:30] <JaneMarple9> Voldemort does seem to leave a trrail of destruction [15:30] <futureweasley> Let's talk specific Horcruxes: Why did Lucius Malfoy think it would be OK to give Ginny Weasley the Diary? Was it on Lord Voldemort's orders, or was Lucius just trying to have some fun at the Weasley's expense? [15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Fawkes will have more important role.. [15:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD has already helped him immensely. The thing I loved best about HBP was that we got to see so much of the history of Tom Riddle. What makes him tick. [15:31] <amyluhu> yes the potrait should have info [15:31] <JaneMarple9> not very good with hiding his tracks [15:31] <Alexk> both [15:31] <amyluhu> lucius was being mischevious and not careful [15:31] <futureweasley> I loved that too, MrMcG [15:31] <Evreka> LV wanted him to unleash the monster yet again, but only on his specific orders [15:31] <MrMcGonagall> He needed to ditch the diary because it was getting dangerous for him to keep it. [15:31] <An_Eternal_Night> It was Lucius' idea, I think [15:31] <adamgryff> I think he was just having fun a the Weasley's expense. I don't think he knew what it was [15:31] <Punky> I don't think Lucius knew what it was thought [15:31] <JaneMarple9> and yes, Dumbledore's portrait will br useful [15:31] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Lucius didn't know what he had in hands and he payed for it, by Draco's entrance in DE [15:31] <Punky> not that it was a horcurx anyway [15:31] <Pellinore> trying to discredit Arthur AND folow through with one of LV's last orders.. do NOT think Lucius had a clue what it really was. [15:31] <amyluhu> ditching is prob right too [15:32] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:32] <amyluhu> oh yeah anything to get arthur [15:32] <futureweasley> I don't think he knew how valuable it was to LV...he thought it was going to cause some mischief, but that's all [15:32] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Lucius realised it was a horcrux [15:32] <Evreka> Lucius just decided to not sit on it any longer [15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> heelo fawkes [15:32] <JaneMarple9> (((Fawkes)))) [15:32] <adamgryff> hi fawkes [15:32] <Evreka> me neither Jane [15:32] <futureweasley> hi Fawkes [15:32] <Alexk> hi fawkes [15:32] <fawkes28> !op fawkes28 [15:32] *** mode/#lounge [+o fawkes28] by Snuffles [15:32] <JaneMarple9> he did it to wind up Arthur [15:32] <MrMcGonagall> He was far too careless with it. He wouldn't have been if he'd known what it really was. [15:32] <An_Eternal_Night> I think Dumbledore was right on with what he said [15:32] <Evreka> hi [15:32] <fawkes28> hey CB chatters smile [15:32] <MrMcGonagall> All LV had told him is that the diary had the power to open the Chamber again. [15:32] <amyluhu> yeah not many people knew what a hocrux was so luc may not have known [15:32] <JaneMarple9> he was very careless [15:32] <An_Eternal_Night> hi fawkes [15:32] <amyluhu> yep [15:32] <Evreka> exactly Mr Mcg [15:33] <futureweasley> yes, I think Lucius was looking to disgrace Arthur [15:33] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [15:33] <JaneMarple9> Lucius probably doesn't know anthing about the horcruxes [15:33] <Alexk> Ginny's a vulnerable girl, who'm they could easily manipulate, who they also knew was close to Harry [15:33] <NiGHTS> Hiya everyone 8 ) [15:33] <Pellinore> i think Narcissa gave away that Lucius didn't know in Spinner's End [15:33] <adamgryff> hi nights [15:33] <futureweasley> I agree Jane, there's no way Lucius knew it was a Horcrux [15:33] <Evreka> hi [15:33] <Alexk> hi nights [15:33] <MafaldaWeasley> hey nights [15:33] <JaneMarple9> She wasn't so close to Harry in book 2 - she just idolised him for afar [15:33] <MrMcGonagall> Make some mischief, get some Weasleys into trouble, unload a Dark object that can't be traced back to you (supposedly!), what's not to love? [15:33] <Alexk> but her brother was [15:33] <futureweasley> noone ever accused Lucius of being the sharpest crayon in the box [15:33] <amyluhu> but he knew harry would act the hero as always [15:33] <Evreka> And Lucius wasn't interested in Harry then [15:33] <JaneMarple9> Ginny was a easy target [15:33] <ph63915> If LM had known what it was he would have guarded it with his life [15:34] <Alexk> and they knew harry's sense of duty [15:34] <futureweasley> right MrMcG...I agree [15:34] <JaneMarple9> agreed ph [15:34] <Alexk> harry would've gone into the chamber to save any of the students in my opinion [15:34] <amyluhu> yep [15:34] <Alexk> he feels it's his duty [15:34] <Evreka> exactly mrmcg [15:34] <NiGHTS> agreed alexk [15:34] <futureweasley> Why did Lord Voldemort trust Lucius with something as precious as a piece of his soul? [15:34] <amyluhu> he takes responsibilioty [15:34] <JaneMarple9> what? Even Draco Alexk? smile [15:34] <amyluhu> sure [15:34] <Expelliarmas> He didn't trust him, he didn't tell him what it was [15:34] <Pellinore> Lucius was his Number 1 Man (joker voice) [15:34] <Alexk> even draco [15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> because lucius is higer in pure blood and evil mind.. [15:34] <fawkes28> he probably never thought lucius would give it away [15:35] <NiGHTS> I have a feeling that Lucius ranks at top (or did, rather) of LV's ranks ... prob due to his large ££££ [15:35] <amyluhu> he thought lucius would treasure it and keep it safe [15:35] <adamgryff> don't have any idea, but I'm sure Lucious didn't know what it was [15:35] <harryfreak359> I don't know I think that is most unlike LV [15:35] <futureweasley> but he left it in his possession...why? [15:35] <JaneMarple9> thats curious. I don't think he would have given it to him by mistake [15:35] <Alexk> he trusted him at that point [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think he intended for it to be used eventually. Trusted more in Lucius' loyalty to him than in Lucius' sense of self-preservation. Another mistake. [15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> i think he thought lucius would be, as he is, faithful sevant to the end [15:35] <NiGHTS> (UK to US translation $$$$) lol [15:35] <Evreka> I don't think he'd done it ewither if LV had been known to not be dead [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Evreka. [15:36] <MafaldaWeasley> besides, Lucius has a lot of money to buy MoM silence..he was able to keep many of his old stuff, wasn't he? [15:36] <futureweasley> do you think Lucius "played" with it before passing it on? [15:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well, there were a lot of raids going on at the beginning of CoS. [15:36] <Expelliarmas> Lucius used the diary to get at Dumbledore, not because he wanted to bring LV back [15:36] <amyluhu> true lm power would protect him from being searched [15:36] <NiGHTS> Thing is, LV did not view that horcrux like he did the others ... it was always meant to be used (and so, potentially, expended) [15:36] <JaneMarple9> then again, Malfoy had a good hiding place in his home [15:36] <Evreka> no, fw [15:36] <fawkes28> right, expie [15:36] <futureweasley> right Expie, I totally agree [15:36] <MrMcGonagall> The Muggle Protection Act of Arthur Weasley. [15:36] <Alexk> i think he'd be too afraid to fw [15:36] <JaneMarple9> perhaps LV expected Lucius to hide it there? [15:36] <Pellinore> Lucius might have been to afraid of a dark magic thing created by LV to messs around with it [15:36] <Expelliarmas> I think he would have tried to read the diary [15:37] <futureweasley> how would Lucius know what it did if he hadn't experimented with it? [15:37] <fawkes28> he expected the diary to be kept safe but lucius was foolish [15:37] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Lucius would be able to read it [15:37] <amyluhu> he probably was told it would do something [15:37] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't think so.. if he did, he would have known what it was [15:37] <Alexk> did he know what it did? [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he needed to know how it worked. He was supposed to wait for LV to tell him when to plant the diary on a student. [15:37] <NiGHTS> I very much doubt that when LV gave it into LM's keeping, he expected to be put "out of action" by little baby Harry !!! [15:37] <Evreka> I think he knew it would reopen the COS, not HOW it worked [15:37] <JaneMarple9> perhaps it only reveals itself to certain people? [15:37] <An_Eternal_Night> Lucius didn't know what it did, LV just told him that it would reopen the CoS [15:37] <Pellinore> he was told it would reopen the CoS [15:37] <futureweasley> you think he just got impatient, MrMcG? [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yep. [15:37] <Pellinore> er, yea what aen said o; [15:37] <amyluhu> yep [15:38] <Alexk> but he didn't know specifics [15:38] <Expelliarmas> If Ginny could write in it and have it write back, Lucius probably did the same [15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> This just proves to me that LV never told Lucius what it was [15:38] <fawkes28> i personally think he was bored and wanted to cause some chaos [15:38] <NiGHTS> I think Lucius, never expecting LV to return just thought of it as a means to 2 ends ... [15:38] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree fawkes [15:38] <futureweasley> Let's move on to the Gaunt's Ring: How do you supposed Dumbledore knew the ring was hidden at the Gaunt House? [15:38] <JaneMarple9> but would tom write back to luciius? [15:38] <MrMcGonagall> No sign of Voldie, he needs to ditch it, LV told him the intention was to re-open the Chamber one day. Seize the day, Lucius. [15:38] <Alexk> he didn't know it was a horcrux [15:38] <Expelliarmas> Lucius had to have figured out what it did before he could give it to some kid [15:38] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think Lucius would play around with something of LV's, he knows how dangerous that could be [15:38] <Evreka> I think it was the other way around [15:38] <Alexk> why would he worry about some kid? [15:38] <Pellinore> that might be like playing with a mouse trap.. sure you have an idea its nasty but sticking your fingers in it isn't such a good idea [15:38] <Alexk> he's a de [15:39] <amyluhu> he wouldn't want draco hurt [15:39] <JaneMarple9> well he knew it must have been somewhere in the Gaunt home [15:39] <NiGHTS> He just knew it was cleverly charmed to bring about the opening of the chamber ... doubt he knew anything of the "how" [15:39] <MrMcGonagall> Lucius may have communicated with the diary but simply thought it was a memory of LV's in it to instruct a person how to open the Chamber. [15:39] <Evreka> He searched through all places of some significance to LV and then found it [15:39] <Expelliarmas> Lucius didn't worry about some kid, he had to know how it worked before he could properly plant it with some kid [15:39] <Alexk> i don't believe he cares that much for draco amy [15:39] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he felt it when he went after clues about LV's past [15:39] <JaneMarple9> he wanted to find out more about Tom's family [15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> A lot of research over 4 years [15:39] <futureweasley> I'm sorry...the question isn't loading in my "color" [15:39] <fawkes28> yes and the gaunt house was an important place to go [15:39] <JaneMarple9> agreed Evreka [15:39] <futureweasley> let me try again [15:39] <futureweasley> Let's move on to the Gaunt's Ring: How do you supposed Dumbledore knew the ring was hidden at the Gaunt House? [15:39] <amyluhu> you never know even eil parents sometimes love their kids [15:39] <NiGHTS> It's more than likely that LM does not even know of horcruxes ... or at the most, only knew tentative detaisl [15:40] <Expelliarmas> Psycopaths can return to places of significance for them, DD likely studied a lot about criminal minds and their tendencies [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Expie [15:40] <fawkes28> and dumbledore can detect magic [15:40] <harryfreak359> yes good point Expie [15:40] <amyluhu> a good guess because it was a place lv showed power [15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> DD uses common sense a lot [15:40] <Pellinore> didn't DD say he was looking for clues to LV's past and spoted LV's magic there? [15:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD reasoned it out. How many places do we know of that are associated with Tom? [15:40] <Evreka> I think so Pell [15:40] <ph63915> DD was looking for relevant places to LV...makes me think that Hogwarts is holding a horcrux somehwere as well [15:40] <MafaldaWeasley> yes pellinore [15:40] <NiGHTS> It was a good hiding place ... who would go looking around the ruins of a tramp's house !?! [15:40] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore has a lot of commen sense [15:40] <An_Eternal_Night> sometimes the most obvious place to find something is the best place [15:41] <JaneMarple9> he is wiser than even Hermione [15:41] <amyluhu> tom didn't choose random places, he is sentimental [15:41] <MrMcGonagall> The Gaunt cottage was a good place to start investigating. [15:41] <Evreka> A few mr mcg [15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> and he had 3 years to do his research after Harry showed him the diary [15:41] <futureweasley> Psychopaths usually stick with what they are comfortable with, or what they believe they are "entitled" to... [15:41] <Expelliarmas> DD would have been very busy since CoS trying to do a lot of detective work [15:41] <JaneMarple9> agreed MrMc [15:41] <fawkes28> he took his time and thought things through [15:41] <NiGHTS> I believe DD was researching LV long before CoS [15:41] <MrMcGonagall> He had procured the altered memory of Slughorn and had probably seen the ring on Tom's finger in that memory. [15:41] <JaneMarple9> thats dumbledore's way [15:41] <fawkes28> dumbledore never seems to rush with anything [15:41] <Evreka> agree nights [15:41] <adamgryff> sorry guys, cant keep up again hopefully I will be able to on Wens. [15:41] <NiGHTS> He was following classic strategy: know your enemy [15:41] <Pellinore> Sun Szu [15:42] <amyluhu> dd is a good detective that's for sure [15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> it wouldnt surprise me if DD remembered Tom wearing the ring back in his school days. He was one of his teachers as well [15:42] <NiGHTS> 8 ) [15:42] <Alexk> DD did seem to be somewhat a psychologist, he could definitely keep very calm, even when talking withtthe most disgusting people you could ever meet, and he remained calm when harry had that little tantrum in ootp [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> And he had no doubt acquired the memories from Morfin and Ogden as well. [15:42] <NiGHTS> Very possible, soonergrf [15:42] <adamgryff> sorry guys, cant keep up see you Wens [15:42] <futureweasley> the research DD started conducted was very good...he's the ultimate sleuth [15:42] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [15:42] <Expelliarmas> DD probably did remember the ring, Sooner, where would Tom have gotten such a thing [15:42] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:42] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> The cottage is probably where I would have started my investigation, too. [15:42] <fawkes28> he's like sherlock holmes smile [15:43] <An_Eternal_Night> Dumbledore probably recognized the Peverell crest on the ring, and knew where the last remaining Peverells lived [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he uses logic where most wizards dont [15:43] <futureweasley> hi Pleshette [15:43] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:43] <NiGHTS> Do you not all feel JKR's left a bit of a puzzle for us in telling us about the Peverell Coat of Arms and not giving us any details [15:43] <Pleshette> Hi! [15:43] <fawkes28> hi pleshette [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> hello pleshette [15:43] <Evreka> I don't think Tom dared appear in school with Slytherins ring - surely Slughorn for example would have recognized it and knew something was wronmg [15:43] <NiGHTS> ... I think that'll come into play at some stage [15:43] <amyluhu> yes [15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> possible nights [15:43] <futureweasley> Dumbledore tells Harry that there was a terrible curse on the Ring, and we are led to believe that the magic surrounding the Ring is what burned and withered Dumbledore's hand. What kind of curse was on the ring? [15:43] <An_Eternal_Night> I hope so Nights, it's very interesting [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know that the Peverell arms are that significant. Just another old, pure-blood family. [15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> i think he did evreka.. i think it appeared in one of the memories, if i'm not mistaken [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> Some sort of protection, I imagine. [15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the curse was on the protection, not the actual ring [15:44] <JaneMarple9> I see the revolving doots still in fine form sad smile [15:44] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [15:44] <NiGHTS> Yeah, MrMcG but linked to Slytherins ... [15:44] <futureweasley> do you think that someone random could have come along and taken it? [15:44] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:44] <amyluhu> some kind of death spell that killed his arm and he stopped it traveling up his arm [15:44] <Evreka> Do you think we are Cassandra, the seer... laugh [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> No, I'm sure LV had placed siriusly dark magic protections on the ring. [15:44] <fawkes28> perhaps a curse that is supposed to do a lot of damage...even kill...but i am sure dumbledore used his own protections which made the curse not as bad as it could have been [15:44] <NiGHTS> I've thought, since bk6, that DD was living under borrowed time due to that curse ... [15:44] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe it was taken the life out of DD's hand as it did with ginny, but in a more cruel way [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> In fact, I'm sure there were several spells protecting it. [15:45] <NiGHTS> Snape: can put a stopper on death ..." [15:45] <amyluhu> ooooh nights [15:45] <Pleshette> Good point Nights [15:45] <Evreka> ooh [15:45] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:45] <fawkes28> if another wizard had tried to do what DD did i think that wizard most likely would have died [15:45] <Evreka> agree faekes [15:45] <Alexk> hmm, good one nights [15:45] <Evreka> but that bodes ill for Harry... ohmy [15:45] <amyluhu> yes fawkes [15:45] <An_Eternal_Night> maybe Dumbledore realized that you had to wear it to destroy it, and by wearing it the curse passed to him [15:45] <NiGHTS> agreed fawkes and I imagine, but for Snape, it may "still" have been fatal [15:45] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [15:46] <fawkes28> and we don't know if DD suffered any other effects from the ring [15:46] <MrMcGonagall> DD never did tell Harry the scintillating story of exactly what happened in acquiring the ring. [15:46] <NiGHTS> gd point ! [15:46] <futureweasley> I agree Fawkes...DD said that Snape saved him with his quick action upon DD's return to Hogwarts [15:46] <Pleshette> Right MrMcG, he kept avoiding that [15:46] <Pleshette> I wonder why? [15:46] <futureweasley> because DD didn't want to lie to Harry, MrMcG...but that's another topic entirely [15:46] <MafaldaWeasley> that's why i think, this is the memory that Harry will get [15:46] <MrMcGonagall> Some days DD really ticks me off for dying when he did. [15:46] <Evreka> although I wonder if that qyick actio couldn't have been a bit quicker angel_not [15:46] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:47] <NiGHTS> I think that might be to increase tension for when Harry gets to one in bk7, Mr McG ... it's be too easy if he "knew what to do" [15:47] *** shadow_onthesun has joined #lounge [15:47] <Expelliarmas> only someone up to his eyeballs in the Dark Arts could save DD [15:47] <NiGHTS> it'd* [15:47] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [15:47] <Evreka> Exactly Expie [15:47] <amyluhu> dd felt safe with harry in bk 6. [15:47] <Pleshette> Hey shadow and adam! [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD probably thought he'd gotten past all the protections, but there was one more unexpected one on the ring, and . . . oops! [15:47] <futureweasley> right Expie...only someone familiar with that kind of dark magic would be able to save DD [15:47] <Pellinore> JkR didn't want to give to much away imho.. that's why she defered the story of the ring to the 7th book. [15:47] <shadow_onthesun> hi [15:47] <adamgryff> hello, snuffles doesn't like me today [15:47] <fawkes28> but nevertheless DD survived [15:48] <NiGHTS> agreed pellinore [15:48] <ph63915> some sort of 'unbreakable' curse [15:48] <futureweasley> If Dumbledore was so badly injured breaking the curse around the Gaunt Ring, do you think he left instructions for Harry about how to destroy them without being injured? [15:48] <An_Eternal_Night> maybe the curse would have spread from DD's hand to the rest of his body, but Snape stopped its progress [15:48] <Evreka> good point Pell [15:48] <Pellinore> or it was slowly killing him [15:48] <MafaldaWeasley> Nop, cause every horcrux may have a different spell curse [15:48] <Evreka> No because I don't believe he thought he'd die [15:48] <Pleshette> I think that's possible fw [15:48] <Expelliarmas> No, I don't think DD left instructions--Harry and co. will have to figure that out for themselves; maybe Bill can help them [15:48] <Pellinore> snape may have only slowed the progress [15:48] <NiGHTS> I think that it could be down to his portrait, future, or possibly Aberforth (or other family member) [15:48] <MrMcGonagall> Nope, I don't think he did. Harry will have to figure them out with help from his friends. I'm sure all the protections are diffferent, anyway. [15:48] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree Mafalda [15:48] <fawkes28> i think DD has some type of letter to give harry not necessarily with how to destroy one but with clues that harry will have to figure out [15:48] <Evreka> AND he wouldn't have dared to have it around [15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> but I think he would like to show harry what he's goign to face and to be always careful [15:49] <ph63915> Bill steps up to the plate [15:49] <amyluhu> could be or maybe it is just logical. if you should wear the horcrux on your finger don't. around your neck don't [15:49] <fawkes28> DD never outrightly tells harry exactly what to do; he enables harry to logically may decisions on his own [15:49] <Evreka> AND I don't believe LV used the same protection twice [15:49] <Pleshette> I wouldn't be surprised if Harry finds one of DD memories and uses a pensieve to figure some things out [15:49] <amyluhu> yep i think logic will do it. lv doesn't expect logic [15:49] <NiGHTS> I'm gonna be astonished if DD has not left a letter ... as good as he was, I can't imagine him thinking himself invulnerabler [15:49] <Evreka> so it would be individual ways to "disarm" them anyway [15:49] <NiGHTS> ignore r [15:49] <Pellinore> i agree Pleshette [15:49] <Expelliarmas> Besides if DD left instructions, what fun would we have solving the puzzles as readers? [15:49] <fawkes28> it's really harry's battle and dumbledore is just the "guide on the side" [15:49] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [15:50] <futureweasley> right, Pleshette...I foresee Harry looking to the pensieve time after time when stuff gets hard [15:50] <MrMcGonagall> It's impossible for DD to have foreseen all the specifics of what Harry might be facing. That's why DD's teaching style is so important. He gives the tools to be able to work it out. [15:50] <Pleshette> That may be what brings Harry back to Hogwarts [15:50] <shadow_onthesun> I hope this question gasnt been answered in my absence but how do you distroy a horcrux, and id a d-eater was able to get the ring will it still 'work'? [15:50] <NiGHTS> DD must haver had a will ... [15:50] <NiGHTS> sorry about typos !!! [15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> i think he does, nights [15:50] <futureweasley> MrMcG, I do think that's part of the beauty in DD's teachings...he gives Harry tools, but not necessarily answers [15:50] <Pellinore> yea a Will or a Last Letter etc. [15:50] <futureweasley> makes him use his noggin [15:51] <amyluhu> ooh if dd has a will -maybe he will give the pensieve to harry [15:51] <NiGHTS> wills take a little while to come into play ... we know nothing about magical wills [15:51] <Pleshette> He's always done that [15:51] <Alexk> I think it'll be a little easier for Harry to obtain the horcruxes than it was for DD, because as we see in HBP, some of Voldy's protections on the horcruxes only go for fully qualified wizards [15:51] <fawkes28> if harry didn't do tasks himself, then he wouldnt have the self-confidence he has [15:51] <MrMcGonagall> He taught Harry how to fish . . . smile . . . as the proverb goes. [15:51] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [15:51] <amyluhu> how long did it take for sirus will to take effect [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> specially because he said he would tell harry the tale with the ring [15:51] <futureweasley> right...very true [15:51] <Pleshette> True Mr.McG [15:51] <Pellinore> Pensive and/or those See INvisible Glasses and a Warm Pair of Socks +20 [15:51] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone! [15:51] <MafaldaWeasley> hello Ced! [15:51] <NiGHTS> 4-5 weeks amy [15:51] <Evreka> but Harry IS fully qualified in book 7 [15:51] <Alexk> hi ced! [15:51] <Evreka> hi Ced! [15:51] <amyluhu> warm socks lol [15:51] <Pleshette> Hi Cedrella [15:51] <NiGHTS> Hiya ced [15:51] <futureweasley> Bill Weasley is a Curse-Breaker for Gringott's Wizarding Bank. Do you think he will play a part in helping Harry destroy the Horcruxes? Why or why not? [15:51] <amyluhu> hey [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink definitely so [15:52] <Pleshette> That would be so cool! [15:52] <CedrellaBlack> I had never though of that [15:52] <An_Eternal_Night> I really like that idea [15:52] <amyluhu> oooh good. yes [15:52] <CedrellaBlack> that would be cool pleshette [15:52] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know. I have a feeling yes. [15:52] <Pellinore> oh i hope so... would give anything to be able to play Bill in the 7th movie [15:52] <An_Eternal_Night> it makes tons of sense [15:52] <ph63915> Yep [15:52] <Evreka> Yep! That is my pet theory for more than a year back! [15:52] <fawkes28> perhaps but i don't think harry is going to go around looking for help...he tends to be stubborn that way [15:52] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, speacilly now, that we don't know what effects the wolf's bite have on him [15:52] <NiGHTS> I think he's got to be utilized, future, after all, why else would JKR have made him a curse breaker of all jobs [15:52] <amyluhu> i think he will still be healing for awhile but may come into play later in the book [15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I think it is no coincidence that Jo gave him the career that she did [15:52] <Pleshette> It would be a way for him to feel useful to the order after Fenrir's attack [15:52] <CedrellaBlack> I agree pleshette [15:52] <NiGHTS> exactly, sooner [15:52] <Evreka> good point Nights [15:52] <Alexk> i agree sooner [15:52] <Expelliarmas> Bill is going to be something of an advanced teacher for Harry Hermione and Ron [15:53] <amyluhu> he may have received extra special powers by the werewolf attakc. like harry did from vold [15:53] <Pleshette> Yes Sooner [15:53] <futureweasley> this is what kills me about the fact that the movies haven't yet introduced the rest of the Weasley family...I think Bill will be quite important going forward, and I hate that the movie viewers will only get to see him when he's needed [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> a ready made friend to help you get past curses [15:53] <MafaldaWeasley> maaybe the attack gave him more sense to feel magic in objects, for example [15:53] <CedrellaBlack> thats true future [15:53] <amyluhu> oooh yeha This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Nov 12 2006, 05:33 PM --------------------  All Aboard! |
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[15:53] <fawkes28> but harry is not going to seek out help...help will come to him when he needs it or when he is desperate
[15:53] <Pellinore> just hate to see Bill Killed by Rat Boy's silver hand.. maybe he'll get Fenrir instead ;p [15:53] <Evreka> And we know he is very skilled CurseBreaker who could show his family the most dangerous pyramids [15:53] <ph63915> I read somewhere that 'Horcrux' has its origins in Egyptian language, doesnt Bill study curse breaking in Egypt? [15:53] <MrMcGonagall> Harry can be stubborn, but I think he has learned more about turning to others for help. He must have a pretty good idea after the cave of what sort of obstacles he's facing. [15:53] <amyluhu> yes [15:53] <Evreka> and low and behold now he is back in England where he can be reached [15:53] <CedrellaBlack> but do you really think in the education he got, he was taught to destroy horcruxes? [15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> why would Bill get killed by a silver hand? Did I miss somehting? [15:53] <futureweasley> Pell, I think Jo shot that down on her website [15:54] <amyluhu> he does his curse breaking in egypt [15:54] <Pellinore> horcrux was a completely new word fyi [15:54] <NiGHTS> 2 ideas, I've had, about destroying the horcruxes are: 1) Through the archway; 2) In the room of love [15:54] <futureweasley> being part werewolf, silver bullet...that sort of thing Sooner [15:54] <Evreka> yeah mrmcg [15:54] <amyluhu> silver bullet idea sooner [15:54] <harryfreak359> He could be useful in that, his job does deal with dangerous curses [15:54] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:54] <NiGHTS> just thoughts ... [15:54] <Pellinore> Bill = part werewolf [15:54] <ph63915> Hor is an Egyptian god though [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> but he's not a werewolf [15:54] <CedrellaBlack> hey jane [15:54] <JaneMarple9> testing [15:54] <shadow_onthesun> dont kill bill (lol kill bill!) [15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Bill is not a werewolf [15:54] <CedrellaBlack> laglag [15:54] <JaneMarple9> yes sad [15:54] <NiGHTS> Hi Jane [15:54] <JaneMarple9> i mean smile [15:54] <CedrellaBlack> lol shadow [15:54] <fawkes28> i think perhaps hermione would be the one to seek out bill for help instead of harry [15:54] <futureweasley> Sooner said in an earlier chat that the veil could be a Horcrux Disposal Device...I tend to agree [15:54] <Pellinore> JkR said Lupin wouldn't get killed by Petigrew's hand.. but nothing about Fenrir or Bill [15:54] <JaneMarple9> Bill's a half and half biggrin [15:54] <MafaldaWeasley> hey jane.. it's about bill and his role now, since he's a curse breaker [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fw [15:55] <JaneMarple9> a were-man! [15:55] <NiGHTS> lol [15:55] <amyluhu> hermione will probably seek some help that harry will not want to ask for [15:55] <MrMcGonagall> What will the Order members focus their attention on now? I think Harry will turn to some of them like Bill for help. [15:55] <futureweasley> Hermione or Ron, fawkes...I can see that [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Harry will go to Bill [15:55] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [15:55] <JaneMarple9> perhaps [15:55] <futureweasley> hi CarpeDiem [15:55] <Evreka> that's a good idea about the Veil fw and Sooner [15:55] <Pleshette> I think will be busy trying to gain support against LVs growing army [15:55] <amyluhu> harry definitely looks up to all of the weasleys [15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think he sees hiim as an "authority figure" [15:55] <Pellinore> I like that idea Sooner... just chuck it in and let the dead deal with it [15:55] <NiGHTS> I think rest of order will struggle to even 1/2 cope with a resurgent LV and his increasing army [15:55] <Punky> The viel as a horcrux disposal, how? [15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> i think bill is going after harry to try to protect his brothers [15:55] <Pleshette> *they (the Order) [15:55] <JaneMarple9> if he isn't too busy with Fleur! ;-) [15:55] <CedrellaBlack> hmm [15:55] <futureweasley> throw it through Punky [15:55] *** CedrellaBlack left #lounge [] [15:56] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow I do think that it's still the trio that's going to be doing the real grunt work, though. [15:56] <fawkes28> i just think hermione would be more interested in breaking curses than the other two and probably would have more talent at that [15:56] <futureweasley> never to be heard from again [15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, I also think there is a horcrux at Gingotts and Bill would be helpful for that as well [15:56] <An_Eternal_Night> I do to MrM [15:56] <fawkes28> and they may seek bill's help but i don't think they are going to tell him about the horcruxes...harry didnt even tell mcgonagall [15:56] <An_Eternal_Night> *too [15:56] <futureweasley> don't you see it playing out like a complete irony...they do it the hard way and find out afterward there was a much easier way to get the job done? [15:56] <NiGHTS> You can see Ron helping by bringing Bill onboard and Hermione seeing/finding those links that no-on would [15:56] <NiGHTS> no-one [15:56] <JaneMarple9> he'd more than likely go to Lupin...he's not such a authority person [15:56] <Evreka> Harry will need help in breaking the Curses around the remaining 4 Horcruxes [15:56] <Pleshette> It could be fw [15:56] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Fawkes. [15:56] <shadow_onthesun> will fleur be able to help? there must be some reason she was brought back when krum wasnt? [15:56] <Evreka> Bill seems the most logical person to ask [15:56] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [15:56] <JaneMarple9> yes evrela [15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> well, we'll see krum again, jk said [15:57] <NiGHTS> We know we'll see Krum briefly in bk 7 [15:57] <futureweasley> maybe LV will fall for a Veela, and that will kill him [15:57] <An_Eternal_Night> Krum will be brought back [15:57] <NiGHTS> lol [15:57] <JaneMarple9> or Lupin? [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> lol, fw! [15:57] <CarpeDiem> lol fw [15:57] <Pleshette> She'll turn on her veelaness and distract the DEs [15:57] <futureweasley> can you just imagine LV drooling over Fleur? [15:57] <futureweasley> ugh [15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> hahaha future [15:57] <JaneMarple9> Nah, LV doesn't know how to love [15:57] <Pleshette> lol fw [15:57] <Evreka> lol Pleschette [15:57] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [15:57] <amyluhu> i doubt the veela thing fw [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> Don't p.o. a veela. [15:57] <JaneMarple9> not even fleur! [15:57] <Punky> haha nice image [15:57] <Evreka> lol fw - NO! [15:57] <NiGHTS> Hope she's better looking than actress fleur [15:57] <NiGHTS> lol [15:57] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [15:57] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [15:58] <shadow_onthesun> goody. krums my favorite character (future, im just about to eat thankyou!) [15:58] *** dillypoo has joined #lounge [15:58] <futureweasley> Let's talk about the Locket: Who is R.A.B? [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Regulus [15:58] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [15:58] <futureweasley> thanks shadow [15:58] <Evreka> Regulus!!!! [15:58] <amyluhu> regulas black [15:58] <An_Eternal_Night> Regulus Black [15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Regulus [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> I just think it has to be Regulus. [15:58] <CedrellaBlack> there we go [15:58] <NiGHTS> Rodolphus Alphard Black [15:58] <NiGHTS> lol [15:58] <amyluhu> someone even said his middle name waht was it [15:58] <NiGHTS> Regulus !!!! [15:58] <CedrellaBlack> i couldnt see anything and i couldnt type [15:58] <amyluhu> alphard yes [15:58] <NiGHTS> aaurrgh ! [15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> The story would be complicated beyond all comprehension if it is not Regulus [15:58] <futureweasley> We aren't thinking it's a combo of people? [15:58] <Pellinore> Hagrid.. he just couldn't spell ;o [15:58] <CedrellaBlack> whats the question [15:58] <CarpeDiem> Isn't Regulus too obvious though? Who else could it be? smile [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> It's a Sirius connection again - how poignant would that be for Harry. [15:58] <shadow_onthesun> I think so too but at the cack of my mind would jo be so obvious? [15:58] <Alexk> lol pell [15:58] <NiGHTS> lol@pell [15:58] <Evreka> Not least as their was a locket in Grimmauld Place AND that he learned about something that made him want to back out [15:58] <An_Eternal_Night> right Sooner, but it is still rather complicated [15:59] <ph63915> Regulus...............or someone we havent met at all yet! [15:59] <fawkes28> well, kreacher may have been there, future, but regulus left the note [15:59] <futureweasley> Rubeus, Aberforth, Black? [15:59] <CedrellaBlack> thanks mrmg [15:59] <NiGHTS> Pretty sure we all know that was the locket [15:59] <An_Eternal_Night> I do like the theory that it is Amelia Bones though [15:59] <JaneMarple9> whats question? [15:59] <amyluhu> i think it is reg because we already know him and jo was giving us a clue [15:59] <Expelliarmas> I think its Regulus, there's no more time for Jo to introduce a new character [15:59] <Alexk> yes, regulus is an obviouis choice [15:59] <futureweasley> who's RAB jane? [15:59] <fawkes28> nice stretch future [15:59] <CarpeDiem> That's a good point Expelliarmas [15:59] <Alexk> maybe it's not a new character [15:59] <dillypoo> i think jo gave us enough clues to let us figure out one of the horcruxes on our own... [15:59] <Pleshette> Yeah I think you're right expel [15:59] <NiGHTS> it's gonna be the first horcrux ! [15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> anything besides regulus is too complicated, and there has to be a place for Harry to start [15:59] <CedrellaBlack> Regulus [15:59] <amyluhu> what "ruth amelia bomes" or something [15:59] <Alexk> maybe it's code language for another character? [15:59] <Evreka> Since Jo said we had a chance to figure it out it absolutely can NOT be someone new to book 7 [15:59] <NiGHTS> sooner [15:59] <MrMcGonagall> I think Jo knew people would figure it out rather quickly. There's still plenty left to discover if it is indeed REgulus. [15:59] <futureweasley> everyone has said it...that 7 is a time for answers, not introductions [16:00] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [16:00] <futureweasley> hi Prongs [16:00] <amyluhu> yep answers [16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> hi rpongs [16:00] <Pleshette> hi prongs [16:00] <CedrellaBlack> I heard a theory about it being rosmerta aberforth and another barmaid or man [16:00] <An_Eternal_Night> Jo said that about Book 6, too, future [16:00] <NiGHTS> Hi prongs [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hmm RAB, still thinks it Regulus [16:00] <Pellinore> wouldn't suprise me if snape and regulus went together to get the locket... snape barely survived and got regulus killed... anotehr reason for Sirius to hate Snape [16:00] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think "who" was ever the big question - I think it was "how" and "why." [16:00] <Evreka> And all translations are congruent with it being Regulus (That I know of) [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hi there prongs [16:00] <Alexk> sort of like the moony, prongs, wormtail thing [16:00] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m it is most likely regulus but it still lives us with a million unanswered questions for us to speculate smile [16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> besides, Jo pretty much said it is Regulus [16:00] <CedrellaBlack> But i think its regulus [16:00] <Expelliarmas> I think RAB refers to just one person [16:00] <futureweasley> see Ced, I think that's just "out there"...but I love to hear what people come up with [16:00] <CedrellaBlack> trueturesooner [16:01] <futureweasley> me too Expie [16:01] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree expelli [16:01] <NiGHTS> it's him ... only question is: where is locket now ? [16:01] <Alexk> I'm not saying it's not one person [16:01] <JaneMarple9> agreed expel [16:01] <futureweasley> and I think it's Regulus [16:01] <Pleshette> Especially so many translations pointing to the same name [16:01] <Expelliarmas> Three people could not get into the cave and take the locket [16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> see, that is a good question nights [16:01] <MafaldaWeasley> with alberforth [16:01] <Pellinore> also wouldn't suprise me if the zombie that jumped out of the lake was Regulus wearing the locket.. accio horcurx... bam! [16:01] <Pleshette> It just makes sense [16:01] <Evreka> Exactly Sooner - So WHY was it pulled from the Lexicon???? [16:01] <An_Eternal_Night> who helped R.A.B. get to the locket? [16:01] <NiGHTS> I think so, Mafalda [16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> even knowing that RAB=Regulus, there are still a lot of possibilities on where it could be and who has it [16:01] <Pleshette> Kreacher perhaps? [16:01] <CedrellaBlack> I think he may have done it by himself AEN [16:01] <MrMcGonagall> That is tricky, Nights. Kreacher's cubby? With Aberforth? did Mundungus sell it? [16:01] <amyluhu> oh yes it is still out there [16:01] <An_Eternal_Night> I think so Pleshette [16:02] <Evreka> Exactly Sooner [16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> Yeah, it makes sense to be with Alberforth, because maybe he was instructed by DD to keep an eye on Mundungus [16:02] <futureweasley> Assuming that R.A.B is Sirius's brother, Regulus Black, how did he get the Locket out of the cave? Did Regulus have help? Who? [16:02] <amyluhu> if mug had it he prob sold it lol [16:02] <Expelliarmas> Folks, don't worry about asking the questions, we're getting to them [16:02] <JaneMarple9> I think Mundungus hid it away [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> yep--I think the simplest answer is the best [16:02] <NiGHTS> could be, but I don't think JKR would have left a cold trail to Aberforth, plesh [16:02] <Pellinore> Snape + regulus.. snape trying to ax the top Dark Wizard so he could take his place [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> that it is regulus [16:02] <ph63915> What are the initials of the guys who own the dark magic shop... [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> I think Kreacher helped him. [16:02] <Evreka> Hi Carpe [16:02] <JaneMarple9> Borgin and Burke [16:02] <amyluhu> he could have taken a house elf to drink the potion [16:02] <Expelliarmas> I think Kreacher drank a whole load of nasty potion [16:02] <NiGHTS> Do you all wonder if Kreacher knows something ... [16:02] <CedrellaBlack> ! guys you know how one of Sirius' uncles was burned off for leaving an inheretance? Well, maybe there was more than that [16:02] <Evreka> brb [16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Regulus didn't had any help [16:02] <JaneMarple9> Kreacher might had helped out [16:02] <amyluhu> kreacher knows alot [16:03] <futureweasley> I do too, MrMcG [16:03] <dillypoo> kreacher is a likely accomplice [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> I do, too [16:03] <An_Eternal_Night> Kreacher isn't a wizard, so I think the boat would have held him and RAB [16:03] <JaneMarple9> he seems to be willing to do anything for Mistress Blacks favourite son [16:03] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe he actually helped Regulus with the horctux [16:03] <MafaldaWeasley> not even kreature..cause DD used legimens on Kreature, if he had such an awful expirience it would have shown [16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink Kreacher is the most liekly [16:03] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps he got the locket before it was put in the cave for safekeeping? [16:03] <amyluhu> yep [16:03] <Alexk> but harry wouldn't go to kreacher for help, maybe he'd go over to kill him [16:03] <fawkes28> me too, expie, which may explain some of his madness [16:03] <ph63915> Thats them Jane, are either of them RAB [16:03] <futureweasley> I can't help but think that Regulus made Kreacher drink that potion...and that's why he's so grumpy [16:03] <NiGHTS> It makes sense, the potion may well have not affected non-humnas [16:03] <Pleshette> I believe Aberforth has a role too Nights [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he would have shown up on the Magical "radar" [16:03] <CedrellaBlack> eeks future [16:03] <JaneMarple9> thats a distinct posibility ph smile [16:03] <CedrellaBlack> maybe harry can get info from kreacher on what the potion does [16:03] <amyluhu> if kreacher then harry could order him to tell him [16:04] <fawkes28> yes, prongs, because voldemort underestimates house-elves [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> We don't really know details of how Regulus died. Perhaps it was in the cave. [16:04] <NiGHTS> Although Sirius said that he was always a poisonous little so-and-so [16:04] <amyluhu> thinking alike ced [16:04] <An_Eternal_Night> and underage wizards [16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Kreacher is mental just because he is, but I do think he drank the potion as well [16:04] <shadow_onthesun> what stronger; a legimens or a houselfs obligation to family? [16:04] <ProngsPatronus> as do most all wizards [16:04] <CedrellaBlack> smile [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> He could have given Kreacher an order to return to the house with the locket. [16:04] <JaneMarple9> yes voldemort probably doesn't think much of houseelves [16:04] <amyluhu> so in kreachers hole?? [16:04] <fawkes28> yes, it was at the house [16:04] <NiGHTS> brb 5 mins ... need to get my pizza out of even !!! [16:04] <CedrellaBlack> I think a housleves obligation, shadow [16:04] <MafaldaWeasley> I think trauma works fro this, shadow.. it's not even legimens or his servitude.. it's something u can't help [16:04] <Pleshette> Oh good point Mr.McG [16:04] <Punky> Goof point MrMcG, or soon after Kreachr could have been order to take the locket [16:05] <Pellinore> NiGHTS likes odd pizza [16:05] <JaneMarple9> or behind Mistress Black's portrait? [16:05] <MrMcGonagall> We've also seen that elves aren't bound by anti-disapparition spells! [16:05] <amyluhu> kreacher would have it in his nest with his or yes behind the pic [16:05] <Alexk> i'm not sure the cave would allow elf magic, elves have as much or even more magic than wizards atleast [16:05] <MrMcGonagall> Kreacher could have disapparated from the cave. [16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Regulus actually took the lockeet himself, he seemed awfully proud of the fact that he got it [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> it marks u so deeply that u can't avoid to be seen.. snape couldn't prevent harry to see his expirience [16:05] <shadow_onthesun> i really like this theory [16:05] <CedrellaBlack> GP MrMcG [16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> imagine poor kreature [16:05] <ProngsPatronus> or wherever Regulus told him to put it [16:05] <Expelliarmas> We have seen wizards use elves to drink suspected poisoned wine--Slughorn did it; no reason RAB didn't do the same thing [16:05] <Alexk> but then again, if it was designed only to keep wizards out [16:06] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah sooner me too. i think he hadn't any help [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Expie [16:06] <JaneMarple9> Kreacher might have been extremely useful [16:06] <JaneMarple9> as a fetcher [16:06] <NiGHTS> ***offers slices of pizza to the room*** [16:06] <fawkes28> and who could blame regulus? i would have gotten my house-elf to drink it too! [16:06] <amyluhu> mmmm [16:06] <CedrellaBlack> If this is true, I actually feel pity for kreacher (which is weird). Knowing what it did to Dumbledore. [16:06] <futureweasley> How did Regulus die? Was it from the potion in the cave? Did Kreacher inform LV that he had uncovered a Horcrux? What was Regulus's fate? [16:06] <Pellinore> <<<--- saving room for Ribs smile [16:06] <MrMcGonagall> Well, at least Kreacher is still alive and is bound to answer Harry's questions. Hehe. [16:06] <CarpeDiem> I think he got the locket before it was put in the cave. There would have been indications otherwise [16:06] <ProngsPatronus> he was killed [16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> LV killed him [16:06] <fawkes28> i think voldemort killed him [16:06] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he died from the curse in the locket [16:06] <amyluhu> i think regulus was already dying when he got to the cave [16:06] <An_Eternal_Night> Regulus might be one of the inferi in the cave [16:06] <harryfreak359> I think that LV killed him as well [16:06] <fawkes28> because sirius dismissed it right away saying that regulus wasn't important enough [16:06] <CedrellaBlack> If he did take the potion does it affect house elves distinctly from wizards [16:07] <NiGHTS> Sirius assumed DE's killed him but we don't really know one way or the other [16:07] <Expelliarmas> I think Regulus got AK'd by LV himself [16:07] <Pleshette> I wonder if he's in hiding somewhere [16:07] <JaneMarple9> if regulus is dead LV killed him [16:07] <CedrellaBlack> LV killed him [16:07] <CedrellaBlack> not a DE...LV huimslef [16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't think Lv would have killed him if he was a desertor, he would havee bella to do so [16:07] <Pleshette> although my gut is that he's dead [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> I believe the lexicon asys that LV killed Regulus himself [16:07] <Pellinore> Regulus = Infiri.. would tie into that clue that Inferi can talk in the WOMBAT [16:07] <dillypoo> is the locket still a horcrux? [16:07] <futureweasley> what if Regulus isn't yet dead? [16:07] <Pleshette> thanks PP [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> or that is what--hhmmm Sirius said, I think [16:07] <JaneMarple9> agreed ph, i don't think he's totally dead [16:07] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius doubted that LV did it himself, but that isn't worth much. [16:07] <CedrellaBlack> I think hes dead future [16:07] <harryfreak359> I think he turned his back on LV, and I think that would result in LV killing him [16:07] <An_Eternal_Night> well, we know that he isn't Stubby Boardman! [16:07] <CarpeDiem> I think in addition to finding about the Horcrux he was also trying to get out of the DEs. I beleive that's why he was killed. The only person who knows about the fake locket are Harry and DD. [16:07] <harryfreak359> I think he is dead too [16:07] <futureweasley> lol AEN...yes, that we know [16:07] <NiGHTS> Regulus could have died there, leaving Kreacher to take the locket back and hide it, as a last order ... [16:08] <Pleshette> lol AEN [16:08] <Expelliarmas> Sirius didn't think much of Regulus, so I wouldn't take what Sirius said siriusly [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> Draught of the Living Dead, anyone? [16:08] <harryfreak359> lol [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> even though it would blow a hole in my thoery., I would laugh so hard if he was [16:08] <CedrellaBlack> lol AEN [16:08] <fawkes28> but there is a slight possibility that he is alive smile [16:08] <shadow_onthesun> would kreacher be able to tell if r was dead? [16:08] <futureweasley> you don't think the Draught of Living Death is going to play a part in it? [16:08] <Alexk> In the note in the locket, it says that by the time you read this, I'll be dead. Maybe Regulus died drinking the potion and had Kreacher shove his body into the lake of inferi? [16:08] <JaneMarple9> perhaps NiGHTS [16:08] <fawkes28> most people wouldn't expect it [16:08] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [16:08] <dillypoo> regulus is dead...kreacher wouldn't have answered to harry as master otherwise [16:08] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [16:08] <An_Eternal_Night> good point Expel [16:08] <Expelliarmas> I don't think LV killed him because of the locket though, don't think LV knows anything about it [16:08] <futureweasley> if he's still alive, then #12 Grimmauld Place would not have gone to Harry [16:08] <CedrellaBlack> If Regulus wasnt dead, Kreacher would not need to show loyalty to Harry [16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie, but I think LV still killed him [16:08] <NiGHTS> me neither, axpel [16:08] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Connection reset by peer] [16:08] <JaneMarple9> there's always a possibilty Fawkes...Jo loves surprising us [16:08] <futureweasley> right Ced, my thoughts exactly [16:09] <Expelliarmas> Regulus was killed for trying to leave the DEs [16:09] <Pleshette> But Kreacher might believe Regulus to be dead [16:09] <fawkes28> lol [16:09] <Expelliarmas> Maybe LV didn't think much of Regulus' talents either [16:09] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, if Regulus or Kreacher drank the potion, why was it still there when DD and Harry get there years later? [16:09] <CedrellaBlack> I think its a deeper connection than what kreacher thinks pleshette [16:09] <Evreka> back, what is the question, sorry [16:09] <ProngsPatronus> I meant that perhaps the original potion in there was something else [16:09] <JaneMarple9> they didn't drink enough? smile [16:09] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [16:09] <Expelliarmas> The potion likely has some way to refill itself [16:09] <amyluhu> maybe the potion refills when you put something in it [16:09] <ProngsPatronus> and that Regulus replaced it with DoLD [16:09] <Pleshette> Hmm not sure about that [16:09] <Alexk> what if lv himself wrote the note, as a red herring [16:09] <NiGHTS> I think that if LV knew someone had found one horcrux, he would have re-hiddent the lot of them [16:10] <JaneMarple9> thats possible amy [16:10] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [16:10] <MrMcGonagall> I think Regulus was given the horcrux to hide and switched it when he figured out what it was. [16:10] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [16:10] <CarpeDiem> I think RAB replaced the locket before it was placed in the Cave. [16:10] <CedrellaBlack> i think LV is too proud to do that NiGHTS [16:10] <Evreka> Oh, I think Regulus drank Felix Felicis before going into the cave [16:10] <MafaldaWeasley> I think the liquid in the basin was replaced by Regulus.. It wasn't the original poison [16:10] <NiGHTS> Stupid lag !!! Bloody Atlantic Ocean !!! lol [16:10] <amyluhu> oooh felix [16:10] <CedrellaBlack> hmm thats interesting Evreka [16:10] <An_Eternal_Night> nice idea Evreka [16:10] <Expelliarmas> Maybe not the original poison, but the same poison [16:10] <Punky> WIthout LV knowing Carpe? [16:10] <JaneMarple9> i like the idea of felix [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> i doubt it,, maybe one that look alike but has differnet effects [16:11] <CarpeDiem> Correct, Punky. As someone said if LV knew - he would have moved it [16:11] <Evreka> and Felix suggested that he'd bring a bottle, whichhe could spit the potion out in, ie reaching the bottom without swallowing one drop [16:11] <CedrellaBlack> hmm interesting carpe [16:11] <MrMcGonagall> Kreacher knows all . . . [16:11] <Pellinore> easy explenation for a kid being able to do what DD had serious trouble doing [16:11] <amyluhu> maybe lv had regulas create that hiding place so he knew the cheat to get the horcrux [16:11] <ProngsPatronus> so--this does not answer the question: Why did Regulus do this? [16:11] <NiGHTS> I want some Felix for next weeks' £110 million Euro lottery *sigh* [16:11] <futureweasley> Kreacher does seem to have a lot of knowledge [16:11] <JaneMarple9> how about polyjuice potion or veritsesum? [16:11] <Evreka> then just pour it right back in [16:11] <amyluhu> regulas wanted lv mortal like he said in the note [16:11] <JaneMarple9> wouldn't we all NiGHTS [16:11] <MafaldaWeasley> he was angry with LV, amybe he was underestimated.. [16:11] <CarpeDiem> I think you're right MrM. If RAB was involved Kreacher would be a good place to find insight about it. All the other blacks are gone [16:12] <shadow_onthesun> how bwould lv get to it? [16:12] <CedrellaBlack> Why did they have to drink the potion to get to the horcrux anyways [16:12] <MrMcGonagall> I think Regulus had a sirius change of heart and decided to strike back at LV in any way he could. [16:12] <Evreka> lol nights [16:12] <CedrellaBlack> they could goblet it out and pour it on the rock [16:12] <CarpeDiem> lol MrM...nice smile [16:12] <NiGHTS> We're going to find out a litle more about that potion, I think, JKR has been very quiet when people have asked what DD saw ... [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> what do you think prompted this sea change? [16:12] <CedrellaBlack> and empty it witout drinking [16:12] <Alexk> there was an invisible barrier on it [16:12] <MafaldaWeasley> it could be MrMc.. [16:12] <Pellinore> DD said it couldn't be siphoned off [16:12] <amyluhu> i bet itf they poured it on the rocks it would refill the basin [16:12] <Pleshette> I think so too Mr.McG [16:12] <CedrellaBlack> ohhh okay [16:12] <MrMcGonagall> I think, as Sirius said, that Regulus got in too deep and got freaked out by what LV was plotting. [16:12] <futureweasley> Jo said that her "top sleuth readers" would reread and find one of the Horcruxes. We see in Order of the Phoenix that, at #12 Grimmauld Place, there is a heavy locket in the cupboard in the Drawing Room. Is this a red herring, or is it Slytherin's Locket? [16:13] <Evreka> no, it was impossible Ced [16:13] <JaneMarple9> why couldn't the potion be butterbear? [16:13] <Evreka> it would reach the water and thus rousing the Inferi [16:13] <NiGHTS> Nah ... that was definately the locket [16:13] <CedrellaBlack> i think its slitherins locket [16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> its the rreal one [16:13] <futureweasley> sorry guys, my new browser stinks [16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, it's the locket [16:13] <JaneMarple9> no i don't think so [16:13] <CedrellaBlack> no one could open it, heavy yeahthats the one [16:13] <MrMcGonagall> I think that's the locket. No red herring. It wouldn't have drawn attention, either, because so many things had a snake motif in that house. [16:13] <NiGHTS> s'OK future ! [16:13] <Pleshette> Yeah I think it is [16:13] <CedrellaBlack> lol [16:13] <amyluhu> either that or maybe griff sword [16:13] <An_Eternal_Night> it's Slytherin's [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> I think it will need Parseltongue to open it [16:13] <Pellinore> either its the locket or the locket is still around regulus's neck as an inferi in the lake [16:13] <ph63915> Yeh thats it [16:13] <JaneMarple9> have we talked about the tiara yer? smile [16:14] <fawkes28> i think it's slytherin's [16:14] <Evreka> I think the locket matches RAB = Regulus too good to be wrong! [16:14] <Pleshette> oo Prongs could be [16:14] <NiGHTS> nah ... not Gryf's sword ... that was in hat for 1000 odd years [16:14] <Alexk> ooo, good point prongs [16:14] <An_Eternal_Night> I really like that Prongs! [16:14] <amyluhu> the locket does sound most logical [16:14] <CarpeDiem> What will be inside it thoug, Prongs? Does it need to be opened or just destroyed? [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> it will be coming up Jane [16:14] <fawkes28> i don't think it can just be opened [16:14] <JaneMarple9> good smile [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> opened--and the soul shard will dissipate [16:14] <Evreka> Good idea Prongs (Parseltongue) [16:14] <amyluhu> i would think the thing itself contained the soul no opening needed [16:14] <fawkes28> i think they need to be very careful with the locket [16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it can only be opened with Parseltongue [16:14] <Pleshette> Yes I like that! [16:14] <MrMcGonagall> Parseltongue is an interesting idea. [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> I like it, too. [16:15] <amyluhu> careful yes fawkes [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I do--Harry and LV are the only two Parseltongues since Slytherin [16:15] <fawkes28> it may be similar to the ring in how you can destroy it [16:15] <Expelliarmas> It's funny they tried to open "a" locket in OOTP and no one got hurt [16:15] <amyluhu> ooooh parseltongue [16:15] <SoonerGryffindor> Stupid Voldie yet again giving Harry what he needs to defeat him [16:15] <Alexk> but lv's soul didn't dissipate when it came out of quirrel [16:15] <CedrellaBlack> eeks imagine if someone tried to put the necklace on, would it strangle you/ [16:15] <CedrellaBlack> ?* [16:15] <Expelliarmas> LV does that a lot, Sooner--it's his arrogance [16:15] <Evreka> BHut as far as LV knew when he made it, he was the only one [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> The locket will probably be the easiest of the remaining horcruxes to destroy. [16:15] <fawkes28> and i don't think they are just going to be able to smash it open either [16:15] <Evreka> lol Sooner [16:15] <shadow_onthesun> do we know what the first (used) horcrux was? [16:15] <CedrellaBlack> me neithr fawkes [16:15] <NiGHTS> Read After The Summer Ended by sand_dollar, on mugglenet's fanfiction for some very good ideas about destroying horcruxes [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> I think the protections are pretty much all gone. [16:16] <An_Eternal_Night> but the hardest for anyone but Harry, I think [16:16] <ProngsPatronus> that soul was attached to a living will [16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> you know that it has to be something that only Harry is capable of [16:16] <JaneMarple9> on second thoughts the locket in Grimmauld place must be significant [16:16] <ProngsPatronus> the soul shards are not [16:16] <JaneMarple9> you don't smash horcruxes open [16:16] <CedrellaBlack> be right back [16:16] <fawkes28> so even if they find the locket, they still have a lot of work figuring out how to destroy it [16:16] <Pleshette> The diary shadow? [16:16] <Expelliarmas> I think that soul will evaporate--like it did in CoS [16:16] <CarpeDiem> Would RAB have left details about any of the other Horcruxes? Are there more clues in Grimmauld Place? [16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie [16:16] <MrMcGonagall> I'm feeling really creeped out by what would happen if the locket was opened. [16:16] <JaneMarple9> you handle them with extreme care- like dragons! [16:16] <NiGHTS> destroying diary certainly took out the sould fragment [16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, I bet nothing bad would happen [16:16] <MrMcGonagall> Ugh - what would one see? [16:16] <NiGHTS> soul* [16:16] <Alexk> maybe if they find out what metal was used, and they heat it to just the right temperature, they can meelt the horcrux [16:16] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG...I can't imagine it's good, whatever it is [16:17] <Evreka> don't think so Carpe [16:17] <shadow_onthesun> no, before that, for him to come back he had to use one didnt he? (i think...) [16:17] <JaneMarple9> I think he did Carpe [16:17] <ProngsPatronus> I don't know that Regulus thought any wizard would be mad enough to make more than one [16:17] <Expelliarmas> The pieces of soul need a soul to attach to--that's why Ginny's soul was so important to Diary Tom Riddle [16:17] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah the need vital energy [16:17] <fawkes28> it could have to be melted in a potion having to do with something good or something like love [16:17] <MafaldaWeasley> t's like a self denefe [16:17] <futureweasley> Prongs, maybe Regulus wasn't educated enough to know that more than one COULD be made [16:17] <MafaldaWeasley> it's like a self defense mechanism [16:17] <Evreka> me neither Prongs [16:17] <ProngsPatronus> evwen Slughorn thought the notion obscene [16:17] <futureweasley> If Slytherin's Locket is, in fact, the one at #12 Grimmauld Place, is it still there? Or did Mundungus Fletcher steal it or sell it? [16:18] <CarpeDiem> Expell - was a horcrux used with Quirell as well then? [16:18] <Pleshette> Maybe something to do with Merope in the locket? [16:18] <MrMcGonagall> But the diary was meant to be used as a weapon, not just a s a storage unit. [16:18] <CedrellaBlack> true future...becuase theu never heard of people making more than one horcrux [16:18] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it is with Alberforth [16:18] <Expelliarmas> No Carpe, that was just vapormort [16:18] <ProngsPatronus> I think that either Kreacher or Aberforth has it now [16:18] <fawkes28> oh, malfada that is my theory too [16:18] <CarpeDiem> lol okay smile [16:18] <CedrellaBlack> I think that dobby has it in the boiler room [16:18] <SoonerGryffindor> This is what I am stuck on. I cant decide if Dung has it, Aberforth does, or if it is still in Kreacher's lair [16:18] <Evreka> No, Mundungus stole it, THAT is why there is a thief in the Order [16:18] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's in Kreacher's cubby, especially if he had a hand in stealing it from the cave. [16:18] <CedrellaBlack> not dobby [16:18] <CedrellaBlack> kreacher [16:18] <Evreka> from Jo's POV [16:18] <Expelliarmas> I think Mundungus stole the locket--and sold it [16:18] <MafaldaWeasley> DD said to be aware of what Mundungud were doing and i think itt was alberforth who told him that [16:18] <Alexk> yes pleshette, a heart shaped locket with Voldy's picture in it, aww how sad [16:18] <JaneMarple9> I think Regulus was even more intelligent than his brother [16:18] <Evreka> Me too expie [16:19] <Expelliarmas> that will be part of the hunt [16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think all 3 are equally possible [16:19] <JaneMarple9> I think Mundungus will have sold it by now [16:19] <futureweasley> I agree Expie...I think that Harry will have quite a time locating the Locket...the one he KNOWS is there will be the hardest to find [16:19] <Evreka> But I think the meeting between him and Aberforth in HBP was very important [16:19] <Pleshette> I think it may have been in Kreachers cubby originally but that Mung had it now [16:19] <CarpeDiem> I hope to have a proper introduction with Aberforth - I'm hoping that he has it smile [16:19] <CedrellaBlack> Me too sooner, but i tend to lean toward krecher [16:19] <Evreka> Probably Aberforth has it, or possibly has sold it on [16:19] <ProngsPatronus> well , I think the note mentioned a discovery of regulus'--I don't think it meant the Horcruxes [16:19] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know, fw, we could use an easy horcrux if this book isn't going to be a gazillion pages . . .not that I would complain. [16:19] <JaneMarple9> Aberforth is sure to appear in book 7 smile [16:20] <CedrellaBlack> lol MrMcG [16:20] <CedrellaBlack> I hope so jane [16:20] <Evreka> lol Mr McG [16:20] <ph63915> I think Aberforth will have recognised it in some way and stopped Dung from seeling it [16:20] *** amyluhu has quit [Bye] [16:20] <CedrellaBlack> they cast him in the 5th movie so that means he has to have some kind of role [16:20] <JaneMarple9> oooo a massive massive book 7 - yes please w00t2 [16:20] <Alexk> Harry's probably gonna find the locket on ebay. [16:20] *** Poet has joined #lounge [16:20] <shadow_onthesun> i dont mind waiting another year for an extra gazillion pages... [16:20] <Expelliarmas> lol Alexk [16:20] <MafaldaWeasley> hahaha alexk [16:20] <CedrellaBlack> me neither [16:20] *** amyluhu has joined #lounge [16:20] <Pleshette> Me too shadow smile [16:20] <JaneMarple9> Hi Poet [16:20] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [16:20] <futureweasley> Now on to Hufflepuff's Cup: Where could the cup be? [16:20] <Evreka> No, he wouldn't have been so ill at ease and quick to get away if he hadn't had a bad concious then [16:20] <CedrellaBlack> hahaha alex [16:20] <futureweasley> hi Poet [16:21] <CedrellaBlack> i think the cup is in the riddle house [16:21] <Poet> In the ground [16:21] <Evreka> lol Alexk [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> Hi, poet! [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is undergraound at Gringott's [16:21] <amyluhu> oooh got kicked off. [16:21] <MafaldaWeasley> at Band borgins [16:21] <Evreka> Hi Poet [16:21] <Poet> Howdy [16:21] <futureweasley> that's what I've heard too...but I think whereever it is, it's in the ground...buried [16:21] <MafaldaWeasley> i think we have one there and it is the cup [16:21] <Pleshette> Do we know of any adult Hufflepuffs? [16:21] <Alexk> hi poet [16:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think the cup is in the attic of the orphanage. [16:21] <JaneMarple9> I'd wait for another six months, if book 7 is about 900 - 1000 pages smile [16:21] <amyluhu> in kreachers nest [16:21] <Pellinore> in a gringott's safe is a great idea [16:21] <MafaldaWeasley> Burke and Borgin sorry [16:21] <An_Eternal_Night> that's a good idea Poet [16:21] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [16:21] <CedrellaBlack> no but zacharius smith could he be a descendant? [16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> the cup is associated with an earth element, and that seems like the perfec place [16:21] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [16:22] <JaneMarple9> Well there's Professor Sprout [16:22] <CedrellaBlack> maybe his family somehow has it [16:22] <shadow_onthesun> Id like for somthing to be at gringotts. imagine how lovely it would be to adventure through the volts (charlie can help w the dragons!) [16:22] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [16:22] <JaneMarple9> she's head of hufflepuff isn't she? [16:22] <CarpeDiem> Maybe the cup is in the trophy room at Hogwarts? Where is Griffindor's sword? [16:22] <Pellinore> wouldn't a cup be water? [16:22] <Evreka> lol Jane! [16:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is in a vault and that is where Bill and his cursebreaker abilities and ties with Gringott's will be helpful [16:22] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [16:22] <amyluhu> grif sword in dd office [16:22] <CedrellaBlack> I really think that Zacharius Smith is related to Hepizah Smith who was a descendant of Helga's, and maybe his family got ahold of it [16:22] <Pleshette> Maybe Amos Diggory is a distant relative? [16:22] <Pleshette> Maybe Amos Diggory is a distant relative? [16:22] <Evreka> sorry not jane, shadow [16:22] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [16:23] <An_Eternal_Night> I think the places where the horcruxes of the founders are hidden correspond to the element of their houses; Slytherin's locket on a lake(water) [16:23] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [16:23] <JaneMarple9> and yes, zacharis smith could be descended to hepezah! [16:23] <MrMcGonagall> Why would LV hide it in Gringott's? What connection would he have to that place? [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> no Pellinor, the cup is a Hufflepuff articfact, not Slytherine [16:23] <Alexk> who put it in the vault though? [16:23] <NiGHTS> Back at last !!! Wouldn't let me back in for 5 mins ! [16:23] <Evreka> in DD's office Carpe [16:23] <fawkes28> have to get going..have fun chatting everyone!! smile [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> yes MrMc,, this is was i was thinking [16:23] <amyluhu> the only connection was trying to steal the ss from a vault [16:23] <CedrellaBlack> awww byebye fawekes [16:23] <CarpeDiem> see ya fawkes28 [16:23] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [16:23] <dillypoo> if the cup is at gringotts, why didn't lv have quirrell retrieve it instead of trying to steal the philosopher's stone? [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> bye, fawkes [16:23] <JaneMarple9> yes, grffindor's sword is definatly in dd's study [16:23] <MafaldaWeasley> besides the Ps was already there... i mean, again at gringotts? [16:23] <futureweasley> There is speculation that Lord Voldemort dropped Hufflepuff's Cup off when he visited Dumbledore at Hogwarts to inquire about a teaching position for the second time. Do you think the Cup is at Hogwarts? If not Hogwarts, where could the cup be? [16:23] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I just think Goblins and Bill and everything else are too important of clues to ignore [16:23] <JaneMarple9> bye((((Fawkes))))) [16:23] <CedrellaBlack> i dont think that quirrell knows about the horcruxes dilly [16:24] <Evreka> brb [16:24] <Poet> CoS [16:24] <JaneMarple9> where could the cup be? [16:24] <amyluhu> he knows where his horcruxes were put . he wanted the ss for a temporary fix [16:24] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think the mystery horcrux is hidden at Hogwarts. [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps in the grave of one of the Founders [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think Gringott's laugh [16:24] <CedrellaBlack> I ongt think so [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> or in the Chamber of Secrets [16:24] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree with MrMc [16:24] <amyluhu> i agree, at hogwarts [16:24] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [16:24] <JaneMarple9> great answer Poet...agreed [16:24] <Poet> I was going to mention that earlier, when Gringotts was mentioned - because it is also underground [16:24] <NiGHTS> I think that is most interesting Qn, future; do we already know where some the horcruxes may be hidden [16:24] <Expelliarmas> I don't know if its Hufflepuff's cup, but he definitely planted a horcrux at Hogwarts [16:24] <futureweasley> that's a great thought Prongs [16:24] <CedrellaBlack> I;d never even thought of that [16:24] <JaneMarple9> or in Gringotts yes [16:24] <CarpeDiem> Why the CoS poet? [16:24] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [16:24] <shadow_onthesun> could lv have transfiured it? could be a cup in the trophy room - hidden in plain sight [16:24] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [16:24] <Alexk> i agree expie [16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with Mr M as well. The one we dont know yet is at Hogwarts [16:24] <futureweasley> that's my thought shadow...I think it might be in the trophy room [16:25] <JaneMarple9> yes shadow possible [16:25] <CedrellaBlack> I thikn so too [16:25] <futureweasley> to me, that makes the most sense [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> Under the Quidditch pitch. Haha! [16:25] <NiGHTS> Could be in the chamber ... LV believed he alone (as the "sole" heir) could get in there [16:25] <amyluhu> i think in the cos [16:25] <JaneMarple9> :D Mr McG [16:25] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [16:25] <Pellinore> possibly TMR's Award for special services ;p [16:25] <amyluhu> or duh yes the trophy room. lv loves trophies [16:25] <futureweasley> ok, you guys think it's in the CoS? I hadn't heard of that one yet [16:25] <CedrellaBlack> how do you untransfigure something *Untransfigurate* = new spell for horcrux finding [16:25] <Poet> Sure - if could be transfigured, though you'd think a teacher would have gotten weird vibes off it - maybe there is too much magic in Hogwarts to get vibes like that off a single object inside Hogwarts [16:25] <Alexk> maybe moaning myrtle's body is a horcrux? (i know, highly unlikely) [16:25] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [16:25] <MafaldaWeasley> If it is at the chamber he had Crouch to introduce it there or Snape.. but i think the known one is at hogwarts [16:25] <JaneMarple9> oh yes Pelli...love that idea! [16:25] <amyluhu> speciallas revelo maybe ced [16:26] <NiGHTS> You have to wonder if LV has left one in an incredibly obvious place (i.e. last place anyone would look) [16:26] *** dillypoo has quit [Bye] [16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, a lot of people think since the word Secrets is plural, that there was more than one secret to it [16:26] <CedrellaBlack> lol that would be true amy lol [16:26] <NiGHTS> Yeah, I do, Sooner [16:26] <CedrellaBlack> laugh [16:26] <Pellinore> can you imagine ron's suprise when he learns that he's belched slugs all over one of LV's horcruxes ;p [16:26] <Poet> I think Tom didn't figure out how to make horcruxes until after Myrtle was gone and buried [16:26] <Pleshette> true sooner [16:26] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [16:26] <An_Eternal_Night> I think there may be something else hidden in the CoS [16:26] <futureweasley> Now we are into more unknown territory: What artifact of Gryffindor's could be a horcrux? [16:26] <NiGHTS> lol@pell [16:26] <JaneMarple9> the sword [16:26] <Poet> tough one [16:26] <CarpeDiem> Wait...if it remained in Hogwarts wouldn't DD have known where it was and got his hands on it? the only place it could be in Hogwarts that DD may not have gotte to was the CoS. [16:26] <JaneMarple9> I think [16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think there is one [16:26] <MafaldaWeasley> nop, the sowrd was checked by DD [16:26] <Alexk> but i'm sure he was already making plans by 16 poet [16:26] <NiGHTS> It would have to be something we're as yet unaware of, future [16:26] <CedrellaBlack> Isn't it possible that there isnt a gryff horcrux [16:26] <An_Eternal_Night> there are 2 known possibilities: the Sword and the Sorting Hat [16:26] <ProngsPatronus> maybe that is the wand in Ollivander's window [16:27] <JaneMarple9> or the sorting hat? [16:27] <amyluhu> i still think the sword. somehow [16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo already said the hat is not [16:27] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [16:27] <CedrellaBlack> lol sooner same wavelength [16:27] <ph63915> I think whatever it is will be at Godrics hollow [16:27] <MrMcGonagall> DD seemed pretty certain that the sword and the hat are the only relics of Gryffindor. I think the mystery horcrux must be a Ravenclaw item. [16:27] <JaneMarple9> yes PP possible [16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [16:27] <CedrellaBlack> threere is no gryff horcrux [16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Ced [16:27] <An_Eternal_Night> that is a great theory PP [16:27] <Poet> Yeah, I think maybe Voldemort was hoping to make something at the Potters into a horcrux and hiding it in the town [16:27] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [16:27] <futureweasley> I am dying to know what is going on with that wand in Ollivander's window, Prongs!! [16:27] <JaneMarple9> seems reasonable that it is at godric's hollow [16:27] <MafaldaWeasley> agree ced [16:27] <ProngsPatronus> DD said they are the only known relics of Gryffindor [16:27] <amyluhu> wht of ravenclaws then [16:27] <CedrellaBlack> Unless dd said something in the pensieve and harry sees it...but I highly doubt it [16:27] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Lily or James hid something there [16:27] <shadow_onthesun> which wand? [16:27] <Poet> So even if it wasn't a Gryffindor object it could at least be an object in a town with his name [16:27] <Pellinore> probably not a griff horcrux... but Fawkes would have been the ultimate horcrux [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> me, too, future! [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but I think it is something of Ravenclaw's not Gryff [16:28] <futureweasley> which? the hat, the wand and the sword? [16:28] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [16:28] <JaneMarple9> i have ideas about the ravenclaw horcrux smile [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> yes, Ravenclaw will have its day. [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> i think it was Ravenclaw's wand at ollivander's [16:28] <CedrellaBlack> finally i love ravewnclaw! [16:28] <futureweasley> what are the only known relics, Prongs? [16:28] <Poet> I think so too Mafalda [16:28] <CedrellaBlack> but hufflepuff is theeee bomb1 [16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [16:28] <CedrellaBlack> !* [16:28] <JaneMarple9> of course they will! Even Hufflepuff did [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> the hat and the sword, fw [16:28] <futureweasley> we are ALMOST to Ravenclaw...hold on [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> the hat and the sword--but that does not mean they are the only ones [16:28] <amyluhu> what are ravenclaws possibilities foer horcruxes [16:28] <Alexk> harry's going back to godric's hollow in the 7th book, i'm sure of it, and i think he's going to go back for the purpose of retrieving a horcrux [16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> ok, sorry future [16:29] <JaneMarple9> :excited: biggrin [16:29] <CedrellaBlack> lol future [16:29] <Pleshette> lol Jane [16:29] <CedrellaBlack> w00t2 [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> LV worked for Band B--he knows how to ferret out relics [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> it was his job [16:29] <NiGHTS> Interesting QN: what object of Ravenclaw's actually personifies her [16:29] <CarpeDiem> Would LV have wanted to get his hands on anything that was Griff, though? Wouldn't he prefer to "skip" that one? smile [16:29] *** Punky has joined #lounge [16:29] <JaneMarple9> Band B??? [16:29] <NiGHTS> I'm stuck on that one ! [16:29] <CedrellaBlack> band be? [16:29] <CedrellaBlack> band b* [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> Borgin and Burkes [16:29] <ph63915> B and B [16:29] <CedrellaBlack> ohhhh! [16:29] <amyluhu> lol [16:29] <JaneMarple9> clever! [16:30] <MafaldaWeasley> i think the cup is at B&B [16:30] <MafaldaWeasley> hidden [16:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think Lv angled for a job at Hogwarts to try and get a shot at a Gryffindor horcrux. He wanted the sword. [16:30] <CedrellaBlack> hmm interesting but i really like sooner's gringotts idea [16:30] <Pleshette> Maybe Amos Diggory is a distant relative [16:30] <ph63915> We still dont know Mr Borgins First name...RAB [16:30] <amyluhu> do you think it could be an item lucius took to b and b [16:30] <JaneMarple9> no Voldemort will have hidden it somewhere obscure [16:30] <NiGHTS> don't write B&B; looks like Bed & Breakfast for all us UK residents [16:30] <NiGHTS> lol [16:30] <Pleshette> Ced was a Hufflepuff [16:30] <futureweasley> What about Ravenclaw's artifact? What could it be? [16:30] <Poet> I think it would be very important to Voldemort to have a horcrux associated with Gryffindor - it shows SS overpowering GG [16:30] <JaneMarple9> or somewhere obvious! [16:30] <CedrellaBlack> huh? [16:30] <amyluhu> no idea [16:31] <shadow_onthesun> howd u like ur eggs (b+b) [16:31] <CedrellaBlack> oh cedric diggory! lol [16:31] <NiGHTS> Just what I asked, future lol [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> hehehe nights [16:31] <JaneMarple9> I know! w00t2 Room of requirement [16:31] <Pleshette> lol not you Cedrella [16:31] <CedrellaBlack> i thought you were talking about me [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> It's the wand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin [16:31] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it's the wand on the cushion in Ollivander's window [16:31] <Poet> I don't think the tiara, though many people do [16:31] <Poet> I think the wand [16:31] <futureweasley> yes, since I am the question asker here, Nights, I thought it important that I ask it again. [16:31] <CedrellaBlack> i have to go [16:31] <MrMcGonagall> Since I have no reasonable idea, I'm going to go with the tiara in the "hiding room" of the RoR. [16:31] <CedrellaBlack> buy everyonee! [16:31] <futureweasley> aww, see you Ced [16:31] <Pleshette> I think it could be the tiara but I like the wand theory too [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> bye, cedrella [16:31] <JaneMarple9> It's the tiara, I'm convinced of it [16:31] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [16:31] <Alexk> bye ced [16:31] <amyluhu> bye ced [16:31] <JaneMarple9> bye ced [16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> tchau ced [16:31] <Pleshette> I'm torn, lol [16:32] <futureweasley> I am not aware of the wand theory [16:32] <MrMcGonagall> If LV had secured the wand, why would he allow it to stay in Ollivander's possession? [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> well, we have Ollivander missing, with all his wands [16:32] <Evreka> back Where are we? [16:32] <JaneMarple9> the wand theory is a new one [16:32] <Poet> From what we know of the four suits and of the four elements, the wand seems the most likely candidate [16:32] <shadow_onthesun> room of r had the cuboard, would use it again, would she? [16:32] <Pellinore> Tiara, Olivander Wand or DD's Glasses [16:32] <JaneMarple9> which is very possible [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps that is to hide the Horcrux FROM lv and FOR harry [16:32] <CarpeDiem> Evreka -discussing Ravenclaw related Horcrux [16:32] <An_Eternal_Night> I really don't think that it is the tiara. Rowena Ravenclaw doesn't seem like the type of person to wear a tiara [16:32] <amyluhu> i have to go. one more thing before i go.for book 7 the one theme i think will stay is that the title has to be something we have never heard of. every title has been [16:32] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking the tiara is massively significant [16:33] <Evreka> ah thanks [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> on her card, she is shown with a wand [16:33] <amyluhu> bye [16:33] <MafaldaWeasley> i think ollivander had it there, and old wand, as a family artifact..and the wand also can simbolize knowledge of magic, right? it's the object that actually does the magic and can bring action to knowledge [16:33] <futureweasley> she was an extraordinary beauty AEN...I've heard speculation that she was a beauty queen. which I personally think is laughable [16:33] <An_Eternal_Night> future, in Scribbulus there is a great essay about Tarot and the Rowena Ravenclaw's wand [16:33] <Poet> cool - yes, I remember that card [16:33] <futureweasley> I will check that out, AEN...thank you [16:33] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Prongs, she is a witch. Doesn't it make sense that she might be pictured with a wand? [16:33] <CarpeDiem> Good point Mafalda [16:33] <Evreka> Aren't they all, Prongs? [16:34] <shadow_onthesun> yeh, we dont really do beauty queens in the uk [16:34] <ProngsPatronus> well, Gryffindor has his sword This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Nov 12 2006, 05:34 PM -------------------- All Aboard! |
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[16:34] <futureweasley> There are two theories going around about "tiaras". We've seen one in the Room of Requirement, and another that Mrs. Weasley plans to let Fleur wear at the wedding. Are either one of these tiaras a horcrux?
[16:34] <ProngsPatronus> not a wand [16:34] <amyluhu> yes bye [16:34] <MrMcGonagall> Just the one in the RoR. [16:34] <JaneMarple9> yes, it's possible Aunt Murials tiara too [16:34] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think so [16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> no.. i think he remaining horcruxes are protected [16:34] *** amyluhu has quit [Bye] [16:34] <Poet> The fact that a tiara is mentioned twice in the books really makes it stand out [16:34] <Evreka> Well the Hiding Room is interesting - I allways felt there must be a reason for that detailed description of hidden things [16:34] <shadow_onthesun> i dont think so, i cant see lv using something as feminine as a tiara! [16:34] <futureweasley> what if the Weasleys are heirs of Ravenclaw...or, at least, what if Molly is? Would it seem right that she has a horcrux in her possession? [16:35] <JaneMarple9> because Harry put the tiara in the RoR on the head of a goblin [16:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's a room to hide things. Perfect. [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> no [16:35] <Evreka> I don't think so [16:35] <Poet> It is a symbol of royalty, lineage, and power - somewhat like the sword is [16:35] <JaneMarple9> I am thinking if anyone has something of Ravenclaws [16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> Jane.. i've missed that .. [16:35] <Evreka> Then we would have got a cannon reference to some Ravenclaw in there before now [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> just because they are an Heir does not make the item a Horcrux--it would have to be stolen for that to happen [16:35] <JaneMarple9> it will be Luna [16:35] <Pleshette> And also in the film, I think SS, the Ravenclaw ghost is wearing the tiara I believe [16:35] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [16:35] <Poet> Though it's a tiara, not exactly a crown [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> and Molly's tiara is not stolen, as far as we know [16:35] <Poet> interesting [16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah poet [16:35] <JaneMarple9> :) I only just thought of it Malfada [16:36] <Evreka> Also, Ron says in PS/SS that all Weasleys has been in Gryff [16:36] <Pleshette> Darn, I wish I had thought to look last night [16:36] <Alexk> hmm, i do wonder about the weasleys fw, i think they're somehow involved, otherwise, why did they have scabbers? [16:36] <shadow_onthesun> a taira is generally used for a princess, even our queen uses a crown not a tiara [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> depends on the country [16:36] <JaneMarple9> could wormtail be a horcrux? [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> crowns weren't always what they are thought of today [16:37] <JaneMarple9> silly idea i know [16:37] <CarpeDiem> Certainly not the Ravenclaw one, Jane smile [16:37] <futureweasley> Let's talk Nagini: Was Dumbledore correct in predicting that Nagini is a Horcrux? Why or why not? [16:37] <shadow_onthesun> not important enough to lv# [16:37] <Expelliarmas> Wormtail is what he is, Jane, a rat [16:37] <harryfreak359> I think so [16:37] <MafaldaWeasley> I think a wand it's more suitable to Ravenclaw's character.. i mean, power, knowledge [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think Nagini is a horcrux. [16:37] <sdcurtis> I don't know [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> back in Ravenclaw's time, a circlet was used often as a crown [16:37] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [16:37] <MafaldaWeasley> No, nagini is not a horcrux [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> Her behavior is peculiar. [16:37] <NiGHTS> if there is a red herring, it'll be Nagini [16:37] <JaneMarple9> yes nagini's a horcrux i'd say [16:37] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think Nagini is a horcrux; Harry will have to figure out a horcrux without DD's help [16:37] <Poet> He has a diamond pattern on his back and he moves close to the ground (earth) so Nagini has some characteristics of the elements/suits that the other items have [16:37] <Evreka> On the one hand DD were rarely wrong, on the other he MUST have been wrong on some of the things he said after declaring he left facts [16:38] <JaneMarple9> Voldemort would want something what he was fond of, being a horcrux [16:38] <CarpeDiem> I have a hard time imagining a living creature as a horcux. How can something with a soul also hold a soul? [16:38] <Expelliarmas> I don't know about Nagini being a horcrux, I agree with Jane, if there's a red herring it's the snake [16:38] <Evreka> so I don't know [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> I do not think Nagini is a Horcrux--but I think she swallowed one [16:38] <shadow_onthesun> he was wrong about snape! [16:38] <JaneMarple9> he seems exceptionally close to nagina [16:38] <MrMcGonagall> LV does have an unnusual amount of control over her, even for a Parselmouth. [16:38] <futureweasley> lol Prongs...that's a very interesting theory [16:38] <Alexk> I think it's more likely she's an animagus than a horcrux [16:38] <Evreka> oooh, nice idea [16:38] <CarpeDiem> That's an interesting idea prongs [16:38] <Poet> I agree Evreka, that I'd imagine that Dumbledore would get one wrong [16:38] <Evreka> where did she swallow it in that case? [16:38] <shadow_onthesun> ooh, prongs i like it! not totally sure about it but its a cool idea, imagine the scene of getting it back! [16:38] <Pleshette> Interesting Prongs [16:38] <JaneMarple9> imaging swallowing a horcrux! smile [16:38] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe like the crocodile at Peter pan? i think she's not one [16:39] <Poet> Wow - cool idea [16:39] <shadow_onthesun> alexk, who might she be? [16:39] <JaneMarple9> :D [16:39] <Pleshette> Great chatting, i have to run [16:39] <An_Eternal_Night> that's a very cool idea! what a great hiding place... [16:39] <sdcurtis> Have to destroy the snake to destroy the Horcrux [16:39] <ProngsPatronus> snakes can disengage their jaws, and swallow huge things for their size [16:39] <futureweasley> bye Pleshette [16:39] <CarpeDiem> See ya Pleshette! [16:39] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [16:39] <Expelliarmas> Bye Pleshette [16:39] <Poet> It reminds me of the piece of soul hidden in a tree, in a bird, in an egg - I forget what legend that is... [16:39] <An_Eternal_Night> bye Pleshette [16:39] <ProngsPatronus> their digestive process is very slow [16:39] <MafaldaWeasley> it would kill her... [16:39] <Alexk> i'm not sure, but i'll take theories [16:39] <JaneMarple9> do we have to talk about snakes eattibg habits? smile [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> bye, Pleshette [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> it has a bearing [16:40] <MafaldaWeasley> bye pleshet [16:40] <futureweasley> I don't know if it would kill her...but it might digest and become a part of her [16:40] <MrMcGonagall> The sword in DD's office is a fake. she swallowed the real one. Now she's like a snake on a stick! Hehe. [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> not if it were gold... [16:40] <JaneMarple9> bye pleshete [16:40] <futureweasley> Thinking "outside the box", there are theories that Hogwarts itself is a Horcrux. Is this a possibility? Why or why not? [16:40] <MafaldaWeasley> hahahaha mrmc [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> the incorruptible metal [16:40] <sdcurtis> I dont' think the school could be a Horcrux [16:40] <Expelliarmas> I would hate the idea of hogwarts being defiled by a horcrux [16:40] <An_Eternal_Night> hmm.... it might be a possibility, but I don't like the idea at all [16:40] <JaneMarple9> I think it is too big to be a horcrux [16:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that is very unlikely [16:41] <Alexk> Harry hasn't been so lucky at hogwarts, so maybe [16:41] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so. I agree with Jane. [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> I do not think that it is a possibility [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> DD would ahve known [16:41] <MafaldaWeasley> no. i think Hogwarts contains a very powerful magic. I don't think it would be that easy to transfor it into a horcrux, but it would be a good place to hide one [16:41] <futureweasley> I think it would have to be one HUGE piece of soul [16:41] <Poet> Hogwarts has its own special magic, I find it hard to believe that something that big and already magical... [16:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I just dont think an castle can hold a piece of soul [16:41] <sdcurtis> could there be one hidden in the Chamber of Secrets [16:41] <Punky> It would be one of the ultimate signs of triumph though, if it were possible [16:41] <shadow_onthesun> if it was, wouldnt lv have some control over it? be able to have gotten his deaters in undetected? [16:41] <CarpeDiem> I would have to imagine that the item itself would need to be available at the time of soul splitting. I think Hogwarts is too protected to be used for a horcrux. [16:41] <JaneMarple9> agreed Hogwarts has it's own magic [16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> bery good point Carpe [16:42] <MafaldaWeasley> besides, imagine to have hogwarts destroyed? [16:42] <Poet> There are living things moving around in Hogwarts all the time, not a good thing to put a soul in [16:42] <JaneMarple9> doesn't need any more from Voldemort [16:42] <An_Eternal_Night> I just can NOT imagine Harry destroying Hogwarts to destroy a horcrux... [16:42] <Alexk> A horcrux still lives in the pipelines at hogwarts [16:42] <Alexk> that's why the toils flush all at once [16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> there just wouldnt be a way to destroy it [16:42] <MafaldaWeasley> there are many hidden rooms, poet [16:42] <JaneMarple9> it's very possible it being in the CoS [16:42] <shadow_onthesun> skuse me mate, i'm just popping to the loo in the left hand corner of your soul [16:42] <shadow_onthesun> bluh! [16:42] <Alexk> and make strange whistling noises [16:42] <CarpeDiem> Yes, soemthing within hogwarts is a more feasable idea [16:42] <Evreka> but they usually shows a lump where what they have eaten is in their body [16:42] *** Evreka has quit [Bye] [16:42] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [16:43] <futureweasley> What about the Basilik? Was the basilisk a possible horcrux? [16:43] <Expelliarmas> Something withing Hogwarts, but not Hogwarts itself [16:43] <JaneMarple9> Myrtle might be able to tell Harry things about Horcruxes? [16:43] <ProngsPatronus> she is bigger than a normal snake [16:43] <MafaldaWeasley> never thought of that.. seems quite nice.. [16:43] <Expelliarmas> No, the basilisk was just an instrument of terror planted by nutso SS [16:43] <MrMcGonagall> Nope. Voldemort had to speak to it to control it. [16:43] <Alexk> it seems logical, but no, i don't think so [16:43] <shadow_onthesun> not two in the same chapter? [16:43] <Poet> Hmm - the fang was used to destroy another horcrux...so I'd think not [16:43] *** Evreka has quit [Bye] [16:43] <MafaldaWeasley> the misterious horcrux already destroyed sounds nice [16:43] <JaneMarple9> I think the basilisk is played out now [16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think the basilisk was one [16:43] <An_Eternal_Night> I think LV would seem to think it is more worthy to hold his soul than Nagini, but it has served it's purpose [16:43] <Alexk> yes mrm, but at the same time, it wouldn't follow what harry said [16:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but if it was then Harry killed it too [16:44] <Alexk> it seemed to be a lot more on lv's side [16:44] <MafaldaWeasley> besides, basiliks can live for a very very long time [16:44] <MrMcGonagall> It was trained to obey only Slytherin's heir. [16:44] <shadow_onthesun> where did nag come from and what does the name mean? [16:44] <Alexk> possibly because lv's a slytherin [16:44] <CarpeDiem> This goes back to the 'second soul within a living creature' thing that has always bothered me. Perhaps the basilisk was used to guard a horcrux though. [16:44] <Poet> I like that idea CarpeDiem [16:44] <Alexk> exactly [16:44] <sdcurtis> that's a good idea [16:44] <Poet> I do think there is a horcrux in the Chamber of Secrets [16:44] <SoonerGryffindor> could be [16:45] <An_Eternal_Night> Nagini has its roots in Hindi, I think [16:45] <Expelliarmas> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next P3 chat, here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1000370 [16:45] <Alexk> it was trained only to obey slytherins heir [16:45] <Expelliarmas> Also, please take a moment to vote for the next topic for WWW (Wize Wizard Wednesday) at http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1003172 [16:45] <CarpeDiem> The CoS and the Basilisk seems a very protected place - much like the defences in the cave [16:45] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [16:45] <MrMcGonagall> The basilisk already is connected to one horcrux. I think that's enough. The diary was designed to release it. [16:45] <Evreka> where are we [16:45] <JaneMarple9> :( goes too quickly! [16:45] <Evreka> my thoughts stopped showing [16:45] <shadow_onthesun> I really dont believe we'll be in the cos again [16:45] <CarpeDiem> Evreka - we're talking about the Basilisk as possible horcrux [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> what are the odds, though, that there are two horcruxes at Hogwarts? [16:46] <Evreka> thanks [16:46] *** StrawberryFields has joined #lounge [16:46] <MafaldaWeasley> no, the diary was designed to make sure LV would reaveal the world who he was.. as a proof of his blood [16:46] <JaneMarple9> we're in the corner booth Evreka smile [16:46] <futureweasley> Is Harry a Horcrux? Did Lord Voldemort already have his 6 horcruxes in place before he went to Godric's Hollow to kill the Potters? [16:46] <Evreka> I think that would be far too easy [16:46] <Alexk> Nagini the basilisk's baby? (of course not, just throwing it out there) [16:46] <Expelliarmas> I doubt we'll have two horcruxes hidden in the castle [16:46] <harryfreak359> No, I don't think so [16:46] <sdcurtis> no [16:46] <shadow_onthesun> me too evreka [16:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I have som many strong opinions on this [16:46] <Evreka> Two Horcruxes destroyed at once? no [16:46] <Alexk> possible [16:46] <Poet> I think he'd planned to make one that night and hide it in Godric's Hallow. [16:46] <MafaldaWeasley> no.. i think he had one left, [16:46] <Alexk> in my opinion [16:46] <An_Eternal_Night> Harry is not a horcrux [16:46] <shadow_onthesun> go ahead sooner [16:46] <JaneMarple9> Seems a little to predictable to have harry as a horcrux [16:46] <harryfreak359> I think he made Nagini a horcrux after [16:46] <Evreka> I do not believe Harry is a Horcrux [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I would be incredible disappojtinted in Jo's writing if this were the case [16:47] <MafaldaWeasley> harry is not a horcrux.. [16:47] <futureweasley> don't let your emotions or what you want answer that question...try to be objective...is it possible that Harry is a horcrux? [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> no [16:47] <MrMcGonagall> Completely unintentional horcrux, of one can still call that a horcrux. [16:47] <harryfreak359> I don't think so [16:47] <MafaldaWeasley> nop [16:47] <JaneMarple9> No...definatly not [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> no [16:47] <CarpeDiem> My thought is that Harry's death was going to be used to create a Horcrux and that spell backfired. I don't think he himself is one though. [16:47] <Evreka> I hope not [16:47] <shadow_onthesun> do we know that he actually made 7, i know he planned to but was he cut short? did he make one since hes been back? [16:47] <Alexk> horcruxes must be intentionally made i think [16:47] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it is possible, but I don't think that it happened [16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> the whole premise of the story would be becuase of a "whoops" [16:47] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree alex [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Sooner [16:47] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking that something of lily and james might be? [16:47] <MrMcGonagall> The whole premise of the story is a whoops. The unexpected event of an AK baackfiring. [16:48] <CarpeDiem> I've thought about that as well shadow [16:48] <Poet> I agree harryfreak359 , though I think Harry accidentally became one too - because Voldemort had killed two people before trying to kill Harry - I think one of Volde's soul fragments attached to Harry [16:48] <JaneMarple9> at godrics hollow [16:48] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think the idea of an "accidental horcrux" is very possible [16:48] <Expelliarmas> I really doubt Harry is a horcrux; it's such an evil thing, DD would have picked up on it [16:48] <shadow_onthesun> wedding rings? [16:48] <futureweasley> were LV's Horcruxes in place before Godric's Hollow? [16:48] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Poet. [16:48] <Evreka> Well if Harry's intended death was supposed to generate a Horcrux, that must have been intended to go into an object he had with him [16:48] <JaneMarple9> nice shadow possibility [16:48] <sdcurtis> However we don't know exactly how a Horcrux is created to determine if Harry is one [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> but that is a cdifferent "whoops" Mr M [16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> making a horcrux should be a choice, not an accident [16:48] <sdcurtis> right [16:48] <MafaldaWeasley> yes sooner. [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> yes [16:49] <harryfreak359> agreed Sooner [16:49] <An_Eternal_Night> I tend to agree with Dumbledore that LV had all but one horcrux in place the night at Godric's Hollow [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> intent is everything in making a Horcrux [16:49] <Alexk> hmmm, Voldemort and Harry are so connected in both mind and body, possible that Harry destroying the horcruxes is slowly killing himself? [16:49] <JaneMarple9> i think at least one horcrux might be a accident [16:49] <MafaldaWeasley> it's a choice to take somebdy elses life to make you live forever [16:49] <CarpeDiem> It's true that Harry and LV have a bond in some way. A failed horcrux attempt would explain that. [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> that's why I don't think it's really proper to call Harry a horcrux, although I do think he has a bit of LV's soul in him. [16:49] <Evreka> Slughorn says that there's a spell to create a Horcrux and if you need to have killed to create it, surely LV wouldn't have said the Horcrux spell until Harry was DEAD? [16:49] *** StrawberryFields left #lounge [] [16:49] <shadow_onthesun> if it was an accident every murderer would have one, right? [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> and the word "rebound" is key here as well. [16:49] <Expelliarmas> I get the feeling there is a lot more work involved in creating a horcrux then simply murder [16:49] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Expie [16:50] <JaneMarple9> would harry's scar be a horcrux then, if harry is a horcrux? [16:50] <Poet> So I think in all Voldemort has had 8 pieces of soul instead of 7 - 7 is a very strong magical number and it would be ironic if Voldemort weakened his power by making too many [16:50] <futureweasley> don't you think that Harry Potter would be the ULTIMATE trophy to LV, though? He would be thinking: There's a boy who is said to be more powerful than I, and I killed him as a baby. I shall make him my last Horcrux, and have no problem living forever!! [16:50] <Evreka> lol Poet [16:50] <JaneMarple9> it seems a little to predictable [16:50] <Poet> He marked him as his equal [16:50] <MafaldaWeasley> it would be wize, to ensure your immortality, but i don't think he did it [16:50] <JaneMarple9> i can see Voldemort thinking that Future [16:50] <shadow_onthesun> when would he have done it, i dont think he would have been able to as he himself was getting hit by his own curse [16:50] <Evreka> No fw, because putting a Horcrux in your killed victim would be so pointless it's unthinkable [16:51] <Evreka> I think [16:51] <harryfreak359> I don't think so FW, because he wants Harry dead [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> if Harry were a Horcrux, LV would not have tried to kill him afterwards [16:51] <SoonerGryffindor> choices are so important in this story, and if Harry is a horcrux, then he had a major choice taken away from him [16:51] <An_Eternal_Night> that could be true future, but using his death as the death to make his final horcrux would be quite a trophy as well [16:51] <CarpeDiem> future - I think using his death to create a Horcrux would be that trophy. Maybe using an object of harrys for the actual Horcrux would be the trophy. maybe a baby rattle or something along thise liines? [16:51] <harryfreak359> agreed Evreka [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> in the graveyard [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> What do you mean, Sooner? [16:51] <MafaldaWeasley> it would be very wize to make the one who's supposed to kill u, your horcrux, but i don't think he would want a rival, i think he would enjoy to see harry dead [16:51] <Poet> Harry has parlsetongue and has visions of Voldemort - that's what ultimately made me think he was connected in a special way to Voldemort - then when we found out about horcruxes, it sort of sealed it for me [16:51] <JaneMarple9> no point in putting a horcux in a dead person...i don;t think so [16:51] <SoonerGryffindor> well, if he is a horcrux, he cant destroy LV.... ever [16:51] <futureweasley> yes CD, that's my thought..but it didn't happen the way he planned, so Harry actually turned out to be the Horcrux [16:51] <Evreka> that's a VERY good idea Carpe [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> See, I think he still has the major choice before him. [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> he cant kill himself [16:52] <MrMcGonagall> I know I'm risking getting whacked by the 2x4. smile [16:52] <Evreka> me neither Jane [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> cause that would not destroy LV [16:52] <ph63915> Harry Potter and the Rattle of doom [16:52] <MafaldaWeasley> not dead jane, alive [16:52] <MrMcGonagall> No, but he can let himself be martyred. [16:52] <CarpeDiem> Can one body share more than one soul though? That always bothers me . [16:52] * Poet hopes to be whacked by 2x4 [16:52] <Alexk> Well, Harry is the only one that can challenge Voldy's powers, and Voldy is the most powerful wizard ever k known, isn't it possible taht Harry is atleas tin some way connected to Harry's sould, and by either of them defeating the other, they are only killing themselves? I think it would be a great way to end the story, seeing as Harry and Voldy are both very alike situation-wise. [16:52] <shadow_onthesun> how do u make one, i know you have to murder but... [16:52] <futureweasley> What about the theory that it's just Harry's scar that is a Horcrux? Is that just for the people who are too attached to Harry to think he could actually be in that much danger? [16:52] <harryfreak359> LV wouldn't think that because he thinks that he is the most powerful wizard, so if someone came around that was supposedly powerful enough to defeat him, his pride would not let him make harry a horcrux [16:52] <Alexk> ooo, too long [16:52] <shadow_onthesun> lol PH [16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> but it still would not destroy LV. It would be a pintless sacrifice [16:53] <JaneMarple9> pintless or pointless? smile [16:53] <Evreka> lol [16:53] <shadow_onthesun> ill have a pint! [16:53] <Evreka> I doubt it somehow.... [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I'm a firm believer in Mr. Blood, too. I'll confess it. [16:53] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry Jane, I am typing blind with this lag [16:53] <JaneMarple9> that would be milk of course shadow? smile [16:54] <shadow_onthesun> yeh, joys of being a mum! [16:54] <MafaldaWeasley> i don't think harry is a horcrux;; not even his scar, them he would have to kill himself? or i don't know.. it doesn't seem very right for me smile [16:54] <Evreka> Albus says in Chapter1 PS/SS that he wouldn't remove Harry's scar even if he could because it might come in handy [16:54] <JaneMarple9> the lag comes and goes [16:54] <Evreka> If that scar is a Horcrux... it stinks! sad [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> and it has [16:54] <ProngsPatronus> it has warned Harry of LV's moods and presence [16:54] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I have to run. Great chat, everyone! [16:54] <futureweasley> It's said in the Prophecy that Neither can live while the other is alive? Are both Harry and LV immortal right now? [16:54] <CarpeDiem> I think a scar is too specific an object. It would be like making DD's finger a scar...I think it needs to be an entore object. [16:54] <MafaldaWeasley> by mrmc [16:54] * MrMcGonagall hugs everyone and runs for the door. [16:55] <shadow_onthesun> cu in the kitchen mr mcm [16:55] * futureweasley hugs MrMcGonagall [16:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I just stand behind the fact that if Harry (or any part of him) is a horcrux, I will be very disappointed [16:55] <shadow_onthesun> *mcg [16:55] <harryfreak359> bye McG! [16:55] <Evreka> Yeah, but if it's a Horcrux Albus really SHOULD have done ANYTHING to try to remove it [16:55] <CarpeDiem> See ya Mr.M [16:55] * harryfreak359 hugs MrMcG [16:55] <An_Eternal_Night> bye MrMcG [16:55] <MafaldaWeasley> owww, great question [16:55] <Alexk> "the other" is Neville, face it people [16:55] <Evreka> bye mrmcg [16:55] <JaneMarple9> yes he did say that scars are useful [16:55] <JaneMarple9> and did we ever find out about Dumbledores map of the underground???? [16:55] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [16:55] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [16:55] <Alexk> (weell, not necessarily) [16:55] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [16:55] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is meant that neither can be free if the other lives [16:55] <Poet> I think that if Harry somehow has a piece of Voldemort in him, then all the horcruxes must be destroyed, then Harry must somehow kill both himself and Voldemort at the same time - that they could infact both be immortal (neither "living") [16:55] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [16:55] <sdcurtis> Yeah but Albus didn't know until the CoS affair that Voldemort had tried to make Horcruxes [16:55] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for the great chat everyone [16:55] <MafaldaWeasley> that's why harry get so lucky.. [16:56] <CedrellaBlack> K im back even thou gh i know were done [16:56] <ProngsPatronus> one cannot "live" if the other is still alive [16:56] <CedrellaBlack> lol my dad made me go for a run [16:56] <harryfreak359> wb Ced [16:56] <futureweasley> the Prophecy, IMO, is quite grim for Harry...I don't see how Jo is going to save him [16:56] <CedrellaBlack> whats the question [16:56] <CedrellaBlack> ? [16:56] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [16:56] <shadow_onthesun> i llike ur theory alex, nev is 'the other' [16:56] <ph63915> i think it just means that neither will stop trying to kill the other one [16:56] <MafaldaWeasley> naa, i don't see harry killing himself, sorry guys.. [16:57] <harryfreak359> I don't either [16:57] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> but he has the power that LV knows not [16:57] <Alexk> no one else thinks "the other" refers to neville? [16:57] <shadow_onthesun> i dont see how itd work tho [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> and that is what will save Harry [16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> nicely said Prongs [16:57] <JaneMarple9> in time for the hugs? [16:57] <An_Eternal_Night> I think Jo shot that down Alexk [16:57] <MafaldaWeasley> no, alex, sorry jk said it to be harry, right? [16:57] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [16:57] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [16:57] <Evreka> See you guys in CoC when this Chat ends in 5 minutes, I hope! [16:57] <Expelliarmas> Yes, Jane, it is time for the group hug [16:57] <Alexk> she did, aww, that makes me sad [16:57] <JaneMarple9> testing [16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> no Alex, I do not thing that at all [16:57] <CarpeDiem> I think it was just a way to say that they must face each other in the end. Each is going to be a thorn in the others side otherwise [16:57] <JaneMarple9> ah there i am! [16:58] <Evreka> Thanks for a great chat everyone! [16:58] <shadow_onthesun> coc? [16:58] <CedrellaBlack> Cahmber of Chat [16:58] <CedrellaBlack> Chamber* [16:58] <futureweasley> thanks for coming everyone [16:58] * Poet turns the Corner Booth into a horcrux of hugs [16:58] <shadow_onthesun> thnx [16:58] <Alexk> :( so neville will live? [16:58] <JaneMarple9> chamber of chat...I can never get in there! [16:58] <Evreka> See you ! [16:58] <Alexk> jk [16:58] <ProngsPatronus> it is always good in here! [16:58] * Expelliarmas gathers the group for the parting hug and shuffles them to the door [16:58] <MafaldaWeasley> bye everyone!!!! [16:58] * futureweasley waves and opens to door for the chatters to exit [16:58] * harryfreak359 gives every one a big hug [16:58] <Evreka> bye! [16:58] <Alexk> i want neville to live [16:58] <JaneMarple9> Neville lives, lives livesbiggrin [16:58] <An_Eternal_Night> bye all, this was tons of fun [16:58] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [16:58] <sdcurtis> bye [16:58] <CarpeDiem> Jane - if you're having problems, send me a PM smile [16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> okay everyone, go to the Chamber of Chat and talk to Evreka there [16:58] * CedrellaBlack gives everyone a big hug [16:58] * Poet flicks the lights and then plays dumb [16:58] <ProngsPatronus> hugs and bye, all! [16:59] <shadow_onthesun> me too alex! [16:59] <MafaldaWeasley> take care and have a good week [16:59] <CedrellaBlack> although you ,may not want it [16:59] <futureweasley> lol Poet [16:59] *** sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [16:59] <CedrellaBlack> since i just got home from running [16:59] * JaneMarple9 prepares to be hugged to death [16:59] <harryfreak359> lol [16:59] <CarpeDiem> Bye all...thanks for the chat! [16:59] *** Evreka has quit [Bye] [16:59] <Poet> Bye Carpe [16:59] <CedrellaBlack> see y'all in the CoC [16:59] <ph63915> night all [16:59] <JaneMarple9> I might do one day Carpe [16:59] <shadow_onthesun> thanks for letting me join in! [16:59] <Punky> Bye guys, thanks! [16:59] <harryfreak359> bye [16:59] * Alexk buys jkr's brain on ebay [16:59] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [17:00] <MafaldaWeasley> tchau guys, [17:00] <Poet> Bye! [17:00] <futureweasley> bye guys [17:00] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [17:00] <CedrellaBlack> Adios amigos [17:00] <futureweasley> thanks for coming [17:00] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** Punky left #lounge [] [17:00] <Poet> ciao [17:00] <Alexk> bye everyone [17:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [17:00] <ph63915> hurrah for Ollywood [17:00] <Expelliarmas> see y'all on wednesday [17:00] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Alexk> oops sorry stretching [17:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone. Waves "bye" to sonner, future and Expel...and everyone else [17:00] <Alexk> bye [17:00] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** ph63915 left #lounge [] [17:01] * Poet makes a pita sandwich [17:01] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [17:01] <futureweasley> we have to close up...see you guys later [17:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [17:01] <shadow_onthesun> guess i better go then? [17:01] <futureweasley> see you shadow [17:01] <Poet> Have a nice afternoon [17:01] *** shadow_onthesun has quit [Bye] [17:01] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [17:01] <Expelliarmas> Alexk, Jane? Time to go [17:01] <futureweasley> it's empty now -------------------- All Aboard! |
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