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*** Theoriser has joined #lounge *** Topic is: PotterCast #73 *** Topic set by fawkes28 [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [20:58] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, kaelgirl! [20:59] *** danae24 has joined #lounge [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> hi danae! [20:59] <danae24> hi guys!!!! [20:59] <danae24> it's good to be back [20:59] <kaelgirl> hey danae and Mr. M [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> We have an awesome chat lined up today. [21:00] <danae24> Hi Kael! [21:00] <Theoriser> hi kaelgirl and danae24! [21:00] <danae24> Hello Theoriser! [21:00] <kaelgirl> hey Theoriser [21:01] <danae24> so, how is the weather treating you this week?? [21:01] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [21:01] * danae24 is trying to start some off-topic discussion before the PC chat........ [21:01] <fawkes28> Nick, it is open now right? [21:02] *** cbm has joined #lounge [21:02] <cbm> Hi everyone [21:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> eeek! safari doesn't let me see my input text! [21:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hi chocolate and cbm! [21:02] <danae24> Hi cbm! [21:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> brb with a new browser! [21:02] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [21:03] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [21:03] <danae24> welcome back chocolate! [21:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm back! hi everyone! [21:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thakns [21:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ks [21:04] <danae24> and by the way......... I love your username......... [21:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha thanks again! [21:04] <MrMcGonagall> We're in the melting phase here in Oklahoma. The ice is rapidly becoming history. [21:04] * cbm is listening to a meeting, PotterCast 73 was much more fun to listen to! [21:04] <Theoriser> it was the first seriously cold day today, which is strange, you'd think it would be getting warmer [21:04] <MrMcGonagall> And good riddance to the ice! [21:05] <kaelgirl> I want the ice to go away here [21:05] <Theoriser> the ice has just arrived here! [21:05] <kaelgirl> I'm dying to play tennis! [21:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm in good ole ohio - 4 inches of snow in cincy [21:05] <Theoriser> I was walking home and all the puddles were frozen [21:05] <danae24> In here the snow is melting, so it's cold, but the sun is shining hard, so I'll start to warm up quickly......... [21:05] <MrMcGonagall> !deop fawkes28 [21:06] <MrMcGonagall> !kick fawkes28 [21:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i say we give a hip hip horray for the pottercast editor! [21:06] <kaelgirl> we've had ice and snow for weeks now. ugh. [21:07] <kaelgirl> lol I agree [21:07] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [21:07] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [21:07] <MrMcGonagall> I know. Talk about a chipwreck! [21:08] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [21:08] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [21:08] <kaelgirl> I feel bad for the poor editor. PotterCast killed their computer [21:08] <fawkes28> yay! [21:08] <fawkes28> i am here :) [21:08] *** Poet has joined #lounge [21:08] <kaelgirl> yay for fawkes being here [21:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha welcome fawkes and poet! [21:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Poet! [21:08] <kaelgirl> hey poet [21:08] <Poet> hey [21:08] <Poet> hey [21:09] <danae24> practicaly any audio editing thing can kill your computer............... I know that from experience............ [21:09] <danae24> Hi Poet! [21:09] <kaelgirl> I wonder if PotterCast made a horcrux... [21:09] <danae24> hahahaha........ the computer is the horcrux....... [21:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha with the murder of hte computer [21:09] <Poet> uh oh - that would do it to ones computer.... [21:09] <MrMcGonagall> Mike the Editor's computer is the sixth horcrux! [21:09] <kaelgirl> We better tell JKR [21:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that means it'll never die! [21:10] <kaelgirl> I guess thats a good thing [21:10] <cbm> My laptop died yesterday :( But I lost NO files!!!!! :) [21:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but it won't have as much soul [21:10] <kaelgirl> true. But does it really have a soul? [21:10] <danae24> mmmmmm......... I dont know........ maybe........ [21:10] <Theoriser> lol [21:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, sure it does! pottercast is full of soul! [21:10] <fawkes28> wow, cbm - that is good you didnt lose anything [21:11] <cbm> It is a work laptop, they gave me one of the same model and I popped the hard drive in [21:11] <danae24> yes......... John made a burrito horcri, Melissa made a cup of coffee horcrux and Sue made a tequila shot glass her horcrux [21:11] <cbm> I dropped it onto a concrete floor at a customer site [21:12] <fawkes28> ouch [21:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> eek! [21:12] <kaelgirl> wow cbm [21:12] <kaelgirl> PotterCast must be evil, with all those horcruxes/horcri [21:12] <cbm> When a cable is connected to a laptop, when you pull it, the laptop will follow. [21:13] <danae24> PotterCast cant die!!! it's inmortal!!! [21:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not with the new macbook! [21:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> magnetic connection... safety release... [21:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm a macdork :( [21:13] <Poet> aww [21:13] <MrMcGonagall> Me too, Chocolate [21:14] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [21:14] <Theoriser> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [21:14] <Theoriser> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [21:14] <Theoriser> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [21:14] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [21:14] <fawkes28> On this week’s show, Melissa let us know that there will be a live podcast from Phoenix Rising in New Orleans in May. Scribbulus edition #12 is out, and there is a call for papers on Unfogging Deathly Hallows. John Noe provided his brilliant new and original theory that the Deathly Hallows might be horcruxes (hee hee). [21:15] <fawkes28> PotterCast goes to FAO Schwartz! Sue updated us on the new HP merchandise that will be made available in 2007. Sue also let us know about a new high-res photo of Dan Radcliffe in the OotP movie, comments from an interview with David Yates about the upcoming film, and Laura Mallory’s continuing campaign to ban the HP books from school libraries. [21:15] <fawkes28> In the fan interview, Doris Hermann interviewed Francisca Solar, author of the book-length fanfic Harry Potter & the Decline of the High Elves, and a new novel, La Septima M (The Seventh M). Canon Conundrums discussed the murders in Half-Blood Prince of Amelia Bones and Emmeline Vance . . . who? what? when? where? why? [21:15] <fawkes28> The Wrap-Up examined the response to last week’s theory that Harry used a Time-Turner to travel back to Godric’s Hollow the night of his parents’ murder. Melissa, John, and Sue also discussed the blog challenge to keep book stores honest about the release date. [21:15] <fawkes28> What do you think of the new offerings in HP merchandise? Is there anything you particularly want to add to your collection of HP memorabilia? [21:16] <MrMcGonagall> The talking Dobby doll would be cool! [21:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that dumbledore doll was absurd [21:16] <fawkes28> There definitely seems to be a lot of new items [21:16] <danae24> I want the new HP Scene it............ and the dobby would be cool [21:16] <kaelgirl> I would love that Dobby doll [21:16] <fawkes28> yes, the HP Scene it seems to be fun - i still don't have the first one [21:16] <danae24> and the death eater mask sounds like fun........ [21:16] <cbm> I only own the books and CDroms, though I have to agree about the dobby, it would look great in my office with my toy collection [21:17] <kaelgirl> lol danae [21:17] <cbm> CDs, not CDroms [21:17] <kaelgirl> scare people away with it [21:17] <danae24> The HP Scene it is really fun!!!! I enjoy playing it a lot [21:17] <MrMcGonagall> I have the first Scene It, but I thought it was a little basic for hardcore fans. I wonder if the second one is more difficult. [21:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm a fan of jewelry more than toys... i hope the new DA logos are good [21:17] <kaelgirl> I hope the 2nd is harder [21:17] <danae24> and that includes clips from OotP [21:17] <fawkes28> i dont have any of the HP toys [21:17] <MrMcGonagall> I couldn't believe the Slytherin ring. Fancy-schmancy. [21:18] <danae24> I agree with you chocolate............. I want something with the DA logo [21:18] <Poet> I was glad to hear the reason as to why the Gryffindor ties and scarves have been purplish in appearance. Silly me hadn't remembered the fact that lighting makes colors change [21:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, i agree MrMcG [21:18] <fawkes28> that is - but i wouldn't buy it [21:18] <cbm> A t-shirt with the DA logo would be cool [21:18] <danae24> yes [21:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a trapper keeper... [21:18] <kaelgirl> I want a DA T-Shirt [21:18] <Poet> I think I'd enjoy a Hogwarts castle Lego set. I'd want it to be an elaborate one. [21:18] <danae24> I think we all want one, kael [21:19] <fawkes28> it would take a long time to build, poet [21:19] <MrMcGonagall> You would think, though, that they would have accounted for the color change when producing the Gryffindor apparel for retail sale. [21:19] <fawkes28> Laura Mallory is continuing to press her case to ban the HP series from school libraries, despite losing every past hearing on the subject. She claims to have more financial backing and an expert witness to testify against the Potter books. Do you think she has any chance of success? [21:19] <MrMcGonagall> Like we all walk around on movie sets all the time! :D [21:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i like the slytherin shirt i got... elaborate, and slytherin was written all scripty and a little hidden... not that i want to hide the fact im a harry potter fan... but subtle is always better [21:19] <Poet> No chance of success, no. [21:19] <MrMcGonagall> She isn't getting anywhere with this. [21:19] <cbm> none [21:19] <fawkes28> Oh, that woman really needs to stop her battle [21:20] <danae24> No......... she has to desist....... she wont win....... [21:20] <fawkes28> She really is just appearing quite foolish right now [21:20] <danae24> I have never seen someone so closed minded before...... [21:20] <Poet> Censorship of the books started many years ago. I think most school boards have been educated well enough by now to realize that the books do not need to be censored [21:20] <Theoriser> the thing that really annoys me is that she hasn't even read the books [21:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah that is so sad... her poor kids! you know they're going to rebel into potterites [21:20] <fawkes28> I don't think I would be as upset if she had read the books [21:20] <MrMcGonagall> I ask myself, how obstinate can a person be? [21:21] <Theoriser> it's one thing to protest against what you know, another to protest about something you know nothing about [21:21] <MrMcGonagall> Well, fawkes, she says she has read at least some of the books, contrary to media reports. [21:21] <kaelgirl> if she wins, I'll protest [21:21] <fawkes28> I hope she has read some of them [21:21] <cbm> She is a true believer in her cause. I do not think she will ever stop [21:21] <danae24> She is literally judging a book by the cover.......... so, until she reads the books, she wont have a strong point to battle the books [21:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree cmb [21:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> unfortunately [21:21] <fawkes28> Melissa suggested it may be a bad idea to keep reporting on Laura Mallory, as it only gives attention to her cause. Do you think this is the case [21:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> with all the horrors that kids face these days [21:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> reading harry optter should be her last worry [21:22] <MrMcGonagall> Eh, I think it provides us a little amusement to hear what Sta-Puft Marshmallow Woman is up to. [21:22] <cbm> It would not bother me if we never hear about her again, unless it is to report the sad event of her making headway [21:22] <fawkes28> I don't think she deserves any more attention [21:22] <Poet> I can only imagine who the financial backer might be. I did some research on censorship for a college paper once and was shocked at some of the websites against the books. I think its a good idea to keep reporting it, so people don't forget censorship will exists [21:22] <Theoriser> good point, Poet [21:22] <danae24> Yes, it has become some sort of joke...... we dont take her seriously anymore...... [21:22] <cbm> good point poet [21:23] <Theoriser> I don't think it gives more attention to her cause, really [21:23] <fawkes28> i know but she certainly doesn't deserve all this media attention [21:23] <fawkes28> i would rather the TLC get the attention for all the good they do [21:23] <MrMcGonagall> It gets reported in the secular media, anyway . . . why not the fandom media? [21:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree... the media is fuelling [21:23] <danae24> she doesnt, but this brings us even closer, and gets us telling other people what the truth is....... [21:23] <kaelgirl> I think because there are tons of fans that it just brings more attention to those who are against it [21:24] <MrMcGonagall> The story is hardly worthy of national attention, though. [21:24] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [21:24] <fawkes28> that is true, danae [21:24] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, greeneyes! [21:24] <fawkes28> hi greeneyes [21:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> welcome greeny [21:24] <Greeneyes15> Hey [21:24] <danae24> Hi greeneyes! [21:24] <Poet> I agree. Unfortunately she's the one who keeps bringing it up. I'm glad that people in the school boards are able to see what other people think of what she is trying to do. [21:24] <Greeneyes15> What we talking about? [21:24] <fawkes28> In this week’s Fan Interview, Francisca Solar mentioned that the HP series got her started writing fan fiction, culminating in her book-length Harry Potter & the Decline of the High Elves. What are the advantages and disadvantages of fan fiction for aspiring writers? [21:24] <fawkes28> PotterCast #73 [21:24] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really read fanfics myself. I prefer to stick to untainted canon. [21:25] <Poet> There is a lot of fan fiction. If you're hoping to be seen its a long shot. On the other hand it's a good way for them to practice their writing skills. [21:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i like orson scott card's stance (author of Ender's Game). He doesn't like fan fiction as a vehicle, because you aren't forced to create your own world or your own characters. [21:25] <MrMcGonagall> I can understand the value for beginning writers, though. [21:25] <kaelgirl> it gives people a chance to write based off a plot and then they can get their own ideas after that [21:25] <fawkes28> I think fanfiction is a great way for young people to start out in because it they are comfortable with the characters [21:25] <Greeneyes15> i don't really read or write fan ficks, but i can see how that can be great practice for writer [21:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's a good hobby [21:25] <kaelgirl> I agree chocolate [21:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but not good for writers [21:25] <Greeneyes15> they can have people reading there work [21:25] <MrMcGonagall> Even Jo has said that a good way to get started as a writer is to imitate an author you admire, then gradually find your own style and voice. [21:25] <danae24> I'm not a big fan of fanfiction, but it does get people on the hobby of writing [21:25] <fawkes28> yes, people write fanfics for their own pleasure - they know they won't get those works published [21:26] <Greeneyes15> i agree Kaelgirl [21:26] <kaelgirl> Its mainly for fun. I've tried but its hard for me to do it [21:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wrote fanfiction between 4 and 5... it was fun, but it was awful lol [21:26] <cbm> But is is a good place for a writer of fiction to get feedback before they go off on their own and attempt a novel [21:26] <Theoriser> I think it depends, it can be good for practising writing, but it gets confusing and really, if you want to be a writer, you're going to write your own original material anyway [21:26] <danae24> I agree fawkes......... you write to get your ideas, and hopes out [21:26] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [21:26] <fawkes28> hi ywkw! [21:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sup yw'tkw [21:26] <You_wont_know_who> hi everybody [21:26] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Solar was very unique in that she wrote a fanfic novel, all complete in itself. [21:26] <Greeneyes15> I don't really like to write off others people work, so fan fick isn't really for me. ya know/ [21:27] <You_wont_know_who> fanfic is not my piece of cake either [21:27] <fawkes28> yes, and it isn't for everyone but it seems to be a nice hobby for people [21:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i ilke original stuff... mary sues make me wanna die [21:27] <cbm> I read some fanfiction, some of it is very good. Mose of it isn't [21:27] <cbm> most [21:27] <danae24> I have only once written fanfic, and I did it just as a gift, but it's not something I like to do [21:27] <Poet> Advantages to the writers would be, getting to test some of their theories about the series out - see if certain things are actually plausible. [21:27] <fawkes28> that was nice, danae [21:27] <MrMcGonagall> The trick is to stay true to the characters as the original author wrote them, and that's hard. [21:27] <Poet> yes, very hard [21:27] <fawkes28> very hard [21:28] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [21:28] <fawkes28> Francisca Solar has a new novel being published in Spanish, Portuguese, and Polish entitled “La Septima M (The Seventh M)”. She hopes to publish it in English. Will you read it? [21:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i say creating a fanfic is so differenent from actual writing... [21:28] <Poet> Disadvantages - it makes it hard to remember what the canon is :wink: [21:28] <Greeneyes15> that's what i have with fan fick Mr.m i like to make my own characters [21:28] <BrettMac> Hi everybody [21:28] <fawkes28> hi brett [21:28] <You_wont_know_who> inPolish? [21:28] <kaelgirl> hi Brett [21:28] <You_wont_know_who> dear me [21:28] <BrettMac> how late am i? [21:28] <Greeneyes15> I want to read it, yes [21:28] <danae24> I'll try to get it in spanish first......... [21:28] <You_wont_know_who> hi brett [21:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i can't read it, so no :( [21:28] <Greeneyes15> hey Brett [21:28] <fawkes28> yes, she did say it was in polish already [21:28] <cbm> I think so, if it makes it to english [21:28] <kaelgirl> I'd probably read it, but I'm reading so many books already [21:28] <fawkes28> you are fine, brett - just jump right in :) [21:28] <You_wont_know_who> I would think about it [21:28] <Theoriser> I might read it, if I heard it was good [21:29] <Poet> I'm not really into paranormal or people dying, so that makes it likely I won't read it. [21:29] <fawkes28> I most likely won't because I do not like unsolved mysteries [21:29] <MrMcGonagall> I don't branch out much into contemporary fiction, but this did sound interesting. I might try reading it in Spanish. [21:29] <BrettMac> i wish i knew spanish :( [21:29] <You_wont_know_who> me too [21:29] <Greeneyes15> :lol: [21:29] <fawkes28> Moving on to Canon Conundrums, and the murders of Amelia Bones and Emmeline Vance: Do you think Voldemort murdered Amelia Bones personally? Why? [21:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I vote yes [21:30] <fawkes28> I think he did [21:30] <danae24> I think so [21:30] <Theoriser> me too, I think he did [21:30] <You_wont_know_who> Amelia - yes, she was too dangerous [21:30] <cbm> Yes, she was very important. [21:30] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [21:30] <MrMcGonagall> I've always thought this was an interesting thing. I rather think he did, but my only reason would probably be that she was such a powerful witch. [21:30] <Poet> I think he did. Fudge sounded quite sure when he mentioned it the second time to the Muggle Prime Minister. [21:30] <fawkes28> I think that she was important - she was a great wizard and saw her as a threat in some way [21:30] <You_wont_know_who> Voldie wanted to get rid of the strongest [21:30] <kaelgirl> I think he did definitely [21:30] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [21:30] <danae24> She had a high position in the MoM, and I do think she offered help to Dumbledore......... [21:30] <BrettMac> yes i think so [21:30] <Greeneyes15> yes [21:30] <fawkes28> he wanted to make sure that he, himself, took care of it [21:31] <kaelgirl> if you want something done right, do it yourself [21:31] <You_wont_know_who> he enjoys murdering important enemies [21:31] <fawkes28> right, ywkw, i don't think Voldemort wants to take many chances this time around [21:31] <BrettMac> she was head of the magical law enforcement... for him to succeed, she had to go [21:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Was it her husband and children who were killed by death eaters earlier, or was it her brother and his family? [21:31] <MrMcGonagall> As head of the department of Law Enforcement, she was a person that would have been at the top of the list to be eliminated. [21:31] <You_wont_know_who> it was her brother I suppose [21:31] <fawkes28> i agree, Brett, but I do think there is something more we don't know about her [21:31] <danae24> I agree with you Mr. M [21:31] <Poet> Brother I think, yeah [21:31] <Greeneyes15> oh man gut, my computer is lagging way behind and i didn't get to this part in PC yet, so i'm gonna go!Bye ya all! [21:31] <Greeneyes15> wish ididn't [21:31] <BrettMac> maybe she was working for the order the whole time? [21:31] <fawkes28> bye [21:32] <You_wont_know_who> bye [21:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe [21:32] <Poet> I agree that her position in the Ministry was one of authority and integrity and that Voldemort would want to get her out of the way [21:32] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she was in it originally, but maybe she had just joined up after the confirmation of LV's return at the end of OotP. [21:32] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [21:32] <danae24> I do think she was helping the order, or at least Dumbledore, so she was fighting the Death Eater......... [21:32] <You_wont_know_who> yes, she was helping them and maybe even too much [21:32] <MrMcGonagall> She's the kind of person, firm but fair, that LV would want out of the way. [21:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that she was just independently good and fair [21:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and that's still too much for voldemort [21:33] <Poet> I dont think she worked for the Order. She was fair in the trial in the begining of Book 5, but seemed to not have special info from Dumbledore [21:33] <fawkes28> i wonder what her role was in the last war and if that has anything to do with why he killed her [21:33] <Poet> I wondered that too fawkes. She's been around awhile [21:33] <You_wont_know_who> true fawkes, she might have had some important info [21:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh maybe!? revenge.. [21:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what if SHE seeked someone ot [21:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> out [21:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> for the revenge of her family [21:33] <Poet> Emmeline Vance was stately as well.... She may have been around and fighting against Voldemort in the first war too [21:34] <You_wont_know_who> true Poet [21:34] <fawkes28> What is the significance of Emmeline Vance’s murder? Do you think her Order assignment had to do with protecting the Muggle Prime Minister? [21:34] *** roonwit has joined #lounge [21:34] <danae24> It sounds logical...... [21:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think her significance is Snape's involvement, not the prime minister [21:34] <MrMcGonagall> I hadn't considered this before, but I think this PC convinced me that she did. [21:34] <fawkes28> hi roonwit [21:34] <kaelgirl> makes sense [21:34] <Poet> I think she may have been someone they needed to get out of the way, or she had info about the comings and goings of the muggle leaders [21:34] <cbm> Yes I do, also she was probably out in the open and an easy target [21:34] <kaelgirl> hey roonwit [21:34] <You_wont_know_who> Emelline's murder might have been a fake [21:34] <fawkes28> Yes, I never really thought about Emmeline too much [21:35] <fawkes28> repeat of question: What is the significance of Emmeline Vance’s murder? Do you think her Order assignment had to do with protecting the Muggle Prime Minister? [21:35] <BrettMac> maybe she was just too close to DD? sorry if im a bit behind i havent listened to 73 yet... :( [21:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if emelline's murder was fake, who are they trying to fool? [21:35] <danae24> One wizard is not enough to protect someone as important as the muggle Prime Minister...... so they needed a lot of people down there to protect him, so, maybe they discovered Emmeline and killed her.... [21:35] <cbm> I think she was really killed, becasue snape did not kill her, he just reported her location [21:35] <Poet> I agree that he may have been watching the Muggle Minister similar to how Mrs. Figg was watching Harry [21:35] <fawkes28> I think I may have to go back and reread the parts that mention her again to really think about her death and its significance [21:35] <Theoriser> I don't think her murder was a fake, I just don't see that they have a motive for doing that [21:35] <You_wont_know_who> I don't see her protecting the prime minister [21:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> voldemort would obviously know the truth, if she hadn't been killed [21:36] <roonwit> I thought Emmeline Vance's murder was a fake. Snape's part in it would be too easily disproved, so it is more likely the Order staged it. [21:36] <fawkes28> i agree, theoriser [21:36] <BrettMac> kingsley too... maybe he and emmeline were working on an assignment together and kingsley bolted to tell DD when she was killed? [21:36] <kaelgirl> I think Emmaline is dead and for some reason that will be revealed [21:36] <You_wont_know_who> I agree roonwit [21:36] *** MorteVnre7 has joined #lounge [21:36] <cbm> It aslo would have needed another DE to participate in the sham [21:36] <You_wont_know_who> not necessarily cbm [21:36] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she had great significance - probably rather expendable as a character. [21:37] <fawkes28> Sue suggested that Amelia, Emmeline, or both could have had a connection to Hufflepuff and perhaps knew something about Helga’s Cup. Do you think there is a Hufflepuff angle to the Bones and Vance murders? [21:37] *** MorteVnre7 has quit [Bye] [21:37] <roonwit> I also don't think it occured to them to protect the Muggle Prime Minister until a junior minister was attacked [21:37] <Poet> I like the theory that her death was staged, but I also think that Jo needs people to be dead and stay dead, and that the Order needs to suffer losses. It makes the need to get rid of Voldemort all that greater. [21:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I do! [21:37] <kaelgirl> I think that is a very good possibility [21:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that's a good theory [21:37] <BrettMac> amelia maybe, as susan bones is in huffle...but not emmeline, we really dont know much about her [21:37] <danae24> No...... maybe with Amelia Bones, but I think that Emmeline has something to do with Ravenclaw [21:37] <fawkes28> I always thought that Amelia could be connected to Hufflepuff but I had never thought about the others before [21:37] <BrettMac> i was thinking maybe ravenclaw too [21:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh [21:37] <You_wont_know_who> Huff;epuff's cup has been missing for so long..could Voldie lose it somehow? [21:37] <kaelgirl> I agree danae [21:37] <Poet> I think Amelia was a Hufflepuff, but I don't think she was connected to the cup. [21:37] <Theoriser> yeah, it seems like there's a theory that the death was a fake for everybody who's been killed so far [21:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good thinking ravenclawers [21:38] <MrMcGonagall> I rather think Emmeline was a Ravenclaw, too. Amelia Bones strikes me as classic Hufflepuff, though. [21:38] <fawkes28> I think it would definitely explain Amelia's death if she was connected to Hufflepuff [21:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what would they know, then? [21:38] <BrettMac> that would be why amelia was murdered, voldy wanted the cup back!!!! [21:38] <kaelgirl> the location? [21:38] <roonwit> I don't see a Hufflepuff connection because we already know as much as we are going to about the Hufflepuff relic from non-death eater sources [21:38] <You_wont_know_who> I don't see them connected at all [21:38] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Amelia's death was horcrux related, though. [21:38] * BrettMac is VERY excited about this topic no! [21:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and how did voldie lose the cup? [21:38] <BrettMac> he put it through the wash... [21:38] <kaelgirl> lol Brett [21:38] <You_wont_know_who> lol Brett [21:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha darn goblets! [21:38] <danae24> Maybe it got sold to Borgin and Burkes when Lucius sent a lot of stuff to him during the raids [21:39] <fawkes28> Amelia is a smart woman - maybe she knows something about Horcruxes and he didn't want her to know too much information [21:39] <cbm> I think Amelia was mudered due to her competence and to make it possible for some one much less skilled to be minister [21:39] <kaelgirl> that could be a possibility [21:39] <BrettMac> his mom was always telling him, take your horcruxes outta your pockets before doing laundry [21:39] <You_wont_know_who> possible fawkes [21:39] <danae24> or maybe another Death Eater sold it [21:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i would hope voldemort wasn't dumb enough to give two horcruxes to lucius [21:39] <You_wont_know_who> true chocolate [21:39] <roonwit> Incidentally my theory on Amelia is that Voldemort didn't want her as Minister for Magic, which must have been a real possibility as she was Scrimgeour's boss before Fudge stepped down. [21:39] <kaelgirl> Between the years of LV's death and his ressurection, the horcruxes could've dispersed throughout the world [21:39] <cbm> I agree roonwit [21:39] <You_wont_know_who> maybe roonwit [21:39] <Theoriser> that's an interesting theory, roonwit [21:40] <Poet> I think that's most likely roonwit - as opposed to her being connected to the cup [21:40] <BrettMac> maybe he just lost the cup when he lost all of his power at godrics hollow? he could have left it somewhere and someone took it and sold it [21:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> you think that maybe voldemort has a plan to take control of hte muggle politics? [21:40] <danae24> but then Scrimgeour would be more interested to killing Amelia than the Death Eaters [21:40] <fawkes28> Snape told Bellatrix that he provided the information that led to Vance’s capture and murder. Do you think Snape was telling the truth? [21:40] <Poet> I'd forgotten that theory, but it's one I've always liked - he's trying to kill off or get rid of potential Ministers for Magic [21:40] <cbm> Yes [21:41] <You_wont_know_who> no [21:41] <danae24> No..... I think Snape was bluffing [21:41] <Theoriser> I think he was [21:41] <You_wont_know_who> he was lying for sure [21:41] <roonwit> yes [21:41] <fawkes28> Well, this question really depends on what side of the fence you are on - I think he was lying to Bella [21:41] *** ladymadaysia has joined #lounge [21:41] <BrettMac> no i really dont. i think he would say anything to make bella believe him, and she wouldnt be stupid enough to question him [21:41] <kaelgirl> lying [21:41] <You_wont_know_who> I think he is a slimeball and he was lying [21:41] <You_wont_know_who> :p [21:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think she'd question him for sure... [21:41] <cbm> It is a stuped lie, it can be proven false much too easily [21:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and try to disprove him [21:41] <You_wont_know_who> it wasn't a stupid lie, not at all [21:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he wouldn't claim responsiblity for something he wasn't involved in [21:42] * fawkes28 thinks he is not a slimeball and was lying [21:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> too easy to call him out [21:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha fawkes [21:42] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure. At first I thought he was probably lying, but now I'm not so sure. [21:42] <You_wont_know_who> they might have plotted it with Dumbledore to give Snivellus more credibility [21:42] <cbm> If bella ever found out who really told Voldemort, he would be toast [21:42] <You_wont_know_who> fawkes I saw that [21:42] <fawkes28> Snape thinks on his feet and I am sure he had been preparing for being questioned by anyone before [21:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i bet he did it for LV, and the order didn't know about it [21:42] <fawkes28> i know - i meant you to see it :lol: [21:42] <Poet> I don't think he did. I think Snape mentioned Order members might be tailing the Minister and someone checked it out and found her - I think it was"lucky" and he's taking credit. [21:42] <danae24> Snape still had to cover his cover so he could still spy....... but not for Dumbledore, but for him [21:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good idea, poet [21:43] <MrMcGonagall> A lot depends on how much independence Snape has as a double agent. [21:43] <fawkes28> Snape is always one step ahead of everyone - including us [21:43] <BrettMac> ill be back in a bit everyone [21:43] <danae24> Snape is spying this chat!!! [21:43] <roonwit> Bella could probably find out whether Snape was telling the truth by discussing it with other death eaters so I think it would be too risky to lie about providing the information [21:43] <You_wont_know_who> he is weaving his own little scheme, no doubt about it [21:44] <You_wont_know_who> lol danae [21:44] <Poet> Snape afterall didn't make Sirius leave Grimmauld Place and go to the Ministry, but he egged him on - and now Snape takes credit. [21:44] <You_wont_know_who> true Poet [21:44] * cbm used to think snape was good, that opinion has changed more than a little bit [21:44] <Theoriser> I agree with you that he is a slimeball, ywkw! I think he really did give information about emmeline vance though, because I don't think he's on the order's side [21:44] *** ladymadaysia has quit [Bye] [21:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if emmaline found something out about him, he could easily kill her with his own agenda, and tell LV that she was dangerous [21:44] <fawkes28> lol cbm [21:44] <Theoriser> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the PotterCast Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/PotterCast-f104.html. [21:44] <You_wont_know_who> thank you Theorizer [21:44] <fawkes28> Could one or both murders have been staged by the Order of the Phoenix? If so, why were Amelia Bones and/or Emmeline Vance worth protecting? [21:45] <You_wont_know_who> yes, Emmeline's murder could have been staged [21:45] <cbm> I think they are both dead and not staged. [21:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> eh, what's the point? [21:45] <kaelgirl> Amelia Bones is a high person in the Ministry, and her death would cause a lot of fear and chaos within the ministry [21:45] <danae24> I dont think they are stagged deaths......... maybe Emmeline's, but I really doubt it.... [21:45] <roonwit> I think Amelia would be too useful in the Ministry for the Order to stage her death [21:45] <MrMcGonagall> If Emmeline's was staged, think it was for Snape's sake, not hers. [21:45] <You_wont_know_who> yes MrMcG [21:45] <fawkes28> If Snape had a role to play, then we definitely know what side he is on :) [21:45] <MrMcGonagall> I can't see a compelling reason why Amelia's was staged. [21:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think amelia's family are being exterminated [21:46] <You_wont_know_who> Amelia might be dead for sure [21:46] <kaelgirl> Snape needs ot declare his allegiance otherwise he's going to end up dead from either side [21:46] <kaelgirl> I'm sure Amelia is dead, and Emmeline. [21:46] <You_wont_know_who> true kaelgirl [21:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's a family issue with amelia, a hufflepuff issue [21:46] <danae24> maybe Emmeline's death had to be staged because she is an unspeakable, like they suggested....... [21:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> wasn't her body found? [21:47] <danae24> and they need her knowledge, somehow [21:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't remmber [21:47] <You_wont_know_who> Bella's rant has proven that some DE's don;t trust Severus so he tired to find a proof of his allegiance [21:47] <Poet> I don't believe she was a unspeakable, otherwise she could have been used for a lot of things the Order needed in Book 5. [21:47] <Theoriser> yeah, I think they found her body in a room locked from the inside [21:47] <kaelgirl> I think that her being an unspeakable is a bit wierd. I'm not a fan of that theory [21:47] <cbm> The description made me think her body had been found [21:48] <You_wont_know_who> maybe nobody witnessed her death [21:48] <fawkes28> Are you looking forward to next week’s Canon Conundrums on the subject of Religion & HP? [21:48] <danae24> maybe she is an unspeakable, but she isnt a member of the Order....... [21:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it seemed like both the bodies were found, to have muggle news coverage of their untidy deaths [21:48] <You_wont_know_who> yes I am!! [21:48] <danae24> I am...... [21:48] <kaelgirl> I am sooo excited!! [21:48] <You_wont_know_who> I must go now, thank you!!! [21:48] <You_wont_know_who> bye!! [21:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Eh... religion is basically absent in HP... morals are there, and ethics... but not religion [21:48] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [21:48] <cbm> It should be good! [21:48] <kaelgirl> bye ywkw [21:48] <danae24> bye yw'tkw!!!! [21:49] <fawkes28> Yes, I am excited for the new CC [21:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there is no higher power, no acts of worship, no books of "Truth" [21:49] <kaelgirl> Religion is gonna be awesome to discuss. Its one of my favorite topics [21:49] <Poet> We have a godfather, a few religious holidays.... [21:49] <fawkes28> i wonder what new theories will come out of it [21:49] <danae24> Yes...... maybe it will play a whole big deal at the end...... who knows........ [21:49] <fawkes28> In the Wrap-Up, Melissa, John & Sue discussed the responses to last week’s mailbag theory about Harry using a Time-Turner to travel back to that fateful night in Godric’s Hollow. Having had a week to ponder this yourself, what is your opinion? [21:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry gets his parents wands! [21:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha [21:50] <roonwit> I think Jo avoids religion in her world, but it does play a part in shaping the storylines [21:50] <MrMcGonagall> My opinion is the same. Not gonna happen. [21:50] <fawkes28> I still love this theory - I think it is just crazy enough to be true :) [21:50] <kaelgirl> I think that Jo destroyed the time turners for a reason [21:50] <Poet> I like the idea, but I also like the idea that he'll see the event in the penseive [21:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's crazy - there's no motivation for him to go back [21:50] <danae24> My opinnion kind of got discussed in there!! I said that he will use the pensieve, not a time turner to find out what happened [21:50] <MrMcGonagall> I do favor more the idea of a memory than an actual timeturning experience. [21:50] <kaelgirl> I've found numerous reasons for it to not be a theory [21:50] <Theoriser> all the time travel ideas are great! [21:50] <fawkes28> I love it because it is one of those new theories that we haven't heard yet and Jo's mind works in mysterious ways [21:50] <Poet> I don't think we'll see DD alive again - and a time turner DD would be too real for me [21:50] <roonwit> Yes, the destruction of the time turners was a hint to us that she has finished with that idea [21:50] <kaelgirl> the pensieve is a better way [21:51] <fawkes28> but from whose memory? [21:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's somehting that would be better to leave alone... the way it plays out in my imagination is pretty good, and i dont' want it messed up [21:51] <kaelgirl> Harry's [21:51] <kaelgirl> he will have to delve deep [21:51] <danae24> I think they will use Harry's and Wormtail's [21:51] <MrMcGonagall> I've always thought it would be cool for Harry to pull that memory from his head (it's in there somewhere) and relive it in the Pensieve. [21:51] <kaelgirl> he's already had enough memory to have nightmares [21:51] <fawkes28> but will harry have that memory yet? [21:51] <roonwit> I agree with the pensieve idea (using Harry's memory) if he decides there is anything more he needs to find out. [21:52] <Poet> I think he'll go to Godric's Hollow and wish he had a time turner to see what really happened - then Hermione will suggest a penseive [21:52] <danae24> I do think so.......... if he could remember it after the Dementors attack, it has to be there....... [21:52] <fawkes28> I think it can involve time travel but differently from how Jo used it before [21:52] <MrMcGonagall> I just can't see the time-turner theory panning out, though. [21:52] <Theoriser> nice idea poet [21:52] <danae24> the time-turner thing sounds too "Back to the future" [21:52] <fawkes28> The PC trio suggested to fans that they embark on a mission of correcting bookstores and other merchants who are advertising a release date for “Deathly Hallows.” Has any bookseller near you claimed to have a release date, and did you set them straight? [21:52] <kaelgirl> I don't like the time turner idea. Its too anti-climactic [21:53] <MrMcGonagall> I've set a couple of people who work in bookstores straight. [21:53] <danae24> No, no bookstores, in my town........ [21:53] <kaelgirl> no one over here yet. But I'm keeping a good lookout [21:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> no, just stupid friends... they act like they can be the first ones to come at me with harry potter news... with leaky around, there's no way! [21:53] <danae24> but I have set some friends straight....... [21:53] <fawkes28> No, I haven't with bookstores but people in general seem to think the date has been released and i have to set them straight [21:53] <Poet> I haven't, because it's been long enough that I think they all realize by now that the rumours aren't true. [21:53] <MrMcGonagall> That's happened a lot to me, too, fawkes. [21:53] <kaelgirl> same here fawkes and danae [21:53] <Poet> It would have been fun to ask them the week the title was released [21:54] <fawkes28> but some people are so certain it has been released [21:54] <fawkes28> then i refer them to TLC :lol: [21:54] <MrMcGonagall> I like the story about the bookstore clerk who said, "There's a new Harry Potter book coming out?" [21:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> one friend still thinks that JKR is finished writing it and is just being stingy [21:54] <kaelgirl> I tell them to listen to PotterCast, and give them the link [21:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [21:54] <fawkes28> lol - that is crazy, Mr. M [21:54] <danae24> Yes.......... that happened to me with HBP, when I asked in my local library when the HBP book was coming out....... [21:55] <fawkes28> you have to be living under a rock these days to not know there is a 7th book coming out soon [21:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i had one person who actually believed that the books were based on the movies [21:55] <fawkes28> that is sad [21:55] <kaelgirl> there are tons of those people. I told someone yesterday and they had no idea! [21:55] <danae24> the librarian didnt know that another HP book was going to come out........... and that kind of explained why they only had books 1 thru 3..... [21:55] <fawkes28> PotterCast received an email from a fan who accused Melissa of being mean and rude and hateful to John (which we know isn’t really true because they’re all best buds). Should Melissa lighten up on our favorite PC jokester, or is it just part of what makes the PotterCast magic? [21:55] <cbm> For most people, they only saw the news on the day of the title, we are not most people [21:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha, no, the chemistry is perfect there [21:55] <MrMcGonagall> I wouldn't have our trio any other way. [21:55] <fawkes28> me too, mr. m [21:55] <danae24> it's part of Melissas personality, to be the serious, responsible one......... [21:55] <kaelgirl> I love Melissa's harshness. Makes it even more funny [21:56] <roonwit> I did half-wonder whether John himself sent that email! [21:56] <cbm> They are fine the way they are [21:56] <fawkes28> lol roonwit [21:56] <kaelgirl> lol roonwit [21:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha roonwit! [21:56] <cbm> lol [21:56] <danae24> lol :) [21:56] <fawkes28> that is very funny [21:56] <Theoriser> if melissa didn't stop john's jokes half the time, then the show wouldn't be as interesting [21:56] <Poet> I thought she was lighter this week actually. I like it when she acknowledges a little that John is being crazy :) [21:56] <Theoriser> as funny as john is, of course :) [21:56] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Melissa's not a meanie. [21:56] <danae24> but I would enjoy a 4 hour PotterCast......... [21:56] <kaelgirl> I agree Theoriser [21:56] <fawkes28> the PC trio's humor and chemistry is what makes the show so great [21:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> john's lack of knowledge about the books is why i began listening in the first place... it was hilarious [21:56] <kaelgirl> 4 hour would be amazing [21:57] <roonwit> I do think John does need to be reined in occasionally [21:57] <Poet> A little laugh goes a long way (and a good rolled eyes) when it comes to John :) [21:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and melissa making fun of him [21:57] <danae24> LOL Poet!!!! [21:57] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming everyone! :) [21:57] <MrMcGonagall> The chemistry between the three of them is what helps make the podcast what it is . . . immensely entertaining! [21:57] <fawkes28> It was the best PC #73 chat we ever had :lol: [21:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> aww all done? [21:57] <danae24> It was! [21:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [21:57] <kaelgirl> it was amazing [21:57] <Poet> Yes, the best 73 this week [21:57] <danae24> I dont want to go.......... [21:58] <MrMcGonagall> It was worth waiting for. [21:58] <fawkes28> yes, we'll be here next week though! [21:58] * danae24 wishes she could live in the Corner booth [21:58] <fawkes28> on monday night at 9 and same time next tuesday [21:58] <cbm> bye [21:58] <Poet> "We've missed it!" [21:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [21:58] <kaelgirl> assuming PotterCast doesn't create another horcrux [21:58] <danae24> Let's hope not [21:58] <fawkes28> See you next week! [21:58] <kaelgirl> crazy PotterCast. [21:58] <danae24> Bye guys, it has been really fun!!!! [21:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> adios! [21:58] *** roonwit left #lounge [] [21:58] <danae24> see ya around the lounge! [21:58] <MrMcGonagall> Bye everybody! [21:58] <Poet> cheers [21:59] <kaelgirl> bye everyone. great discussion [21:59] <Theoriser> yes, see you soon! 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