PotterCast Corner Booth Transcript: Jan 30, 2007, PotterCast #74: Not Fergie |
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Today's Text Chat moderators were: fawkes28, Mr. McGonagall, Theoriser
[15:58] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [16:01] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:01] <Greeneyes15> Hey everyone! [16:01] <fawkes28> hi greeneyes! [16:02] <Greeneyes15> How are yas? [16:03] <fawkes28> good - very nice day [16:03] <fawkes28> and you? [16:03] *** suzb has joined #lounge [16:03] <fawkes28> hi suzb [16:03] <Greeneyes15> great! didn't have to go to school today cuz of the snow...that was awesome! first snowday of the year smile [16:04] <Greeneyes15> hisuzb! [16:04] <suzb> *waves* hi fawkes and greeneyes [16:04] <fawkes28> wow how much snow did you get? [16:04] <Greeneyes15> ummm... 2 inchest last nigh but the night before we got closer to tree [16:04] <Greeneyes15> *three [16:05] <suzb> wow [16:05] <fawkes28> i am sure you enjoyed it [16:05] <suzb> and i think a centimetre is a lot [16:05] <fawkes28> we have gotten some snow here this year but no more than an inch [16:05] *** PolythenePam has joined #lounge [16:06] <fawkes28> i dont want to have off of work - so i am hoping we dont have a snow day [16:06] <fawkes28> hi pam [16:06] <PolythenePam> Hi [16:06] <suzb> hi pam [16:06] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:06] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:06] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [16:06] <Greeneyes15> hi ltbrave [16:06] <suzb> hi ltbrave [16:06] <fawkes28> hi ltbrave [16:06] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [16:07] *** cbm has joined #lounge [16:07] <Greeneyes15> hey polythenepam [16:07] <fawkes28> hi mr. m and cbm [16:07] <Greeneyes15> hey mr.m! [16:07] <cbm> Hi everyone [16:07] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [16:07] <fawkes28> hi chocolate [16:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy! [16:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [16:07] <suzb> hey everyone who just joined [16:08] <Greeneyes15> smile [16:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boo for being at work [16:08] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [16:08] <fawkes28> hi theoriser [16:08] <cbm> I am at work also, this is a MUCH needed break! [16:09] <fawkes28> the CB is a great place for a break smile [16:09] <suzb> hey theoriser [16:09] <Theoriser> hi everyone smile [16:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, unfortunately i'm trying to hide this behind other windows, looking like i'm working [16:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [16:10] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:10] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:10] <fawkes28> lol - unfortunately i cannot access the lounge at work [16:10] <fawkes28> sad [16:10] <cbm> I have 2 monitors, so real work is on my second one [16:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lucky [16:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> for cmb [16:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> unlucky for fawkes [16:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> cbm [16:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dangit [16:11] <Greeneyes15> ok, just as a warning to everyone...i a horrible speller. bare with me laugh [16:11] <cbm> People spell cbm wrong quite a bit, it is an unnatural sequence of keys [16:12] *** Skiplives has joined #lounge [16:12] *** Morgan_Noxwell has joined #lounge [16:12] <Skiplives> Hello everyone [16:12] <MrMcGonagall> I just went and got my Tuesday afternoon cappucino. Settled in for the chat now. [16:12] <fawkes28> hi skip and morgan [16:12] <Greeneyes15> yum i luv cappucino mr.m! [16:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> hey all [16:13] <Greeneyes15> hi morgan [16:13] <Morgan_Noxwell>  [16:13] <Greeneyes15> hi skip [16:13] * MrMcGonagall passes around cappucinos for whoever likes them. [16:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi morgan and skppy [16:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> yay [16:13] <Skiplives> Hi Morgan, all [16:13] <cbm> diet coke for me [16:13] <Greeneyes15> oh thanks mr.m! just what i neede! [16:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> oooh brb [16:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> : ) [16:13] *** ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [16:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, i'm getting coffee, back in a sec [16:14] <Skiplives> I like black coffee and espresso, no milk for me [16:14] <fawkes28> how about hot apple cider for the non-coffee drinkers? [16:14] <Skiplives> sure, it's all virtual after all [16:14] <Greeneyes15> my baby sis say hi--she's over here botherin me laugh [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> Mmm, hot apple cider is yummy too. [16:15] <Morgan_Noxwell> mocha latte...mmmmm [16:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> got my coffeeeee! [16:16] <Morgan_Noxwell> caffeine is gooooood [16:16] *** antonin has joined #lounge [16:16] <suzb> i would love some pimms right about now [16:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi antonin [16:16] <Greeneyes15> i luv anything with coffe in it people! i think i was born with it in my blood or something smile [16:16] <antonin> hey [16:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ditto for me greeny [16:16] <Skiplives> caffeine is your friend. [16:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [16:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [16:16] *** antonin left #lounge [] [16:16] <fawkes28> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [16:17] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:17] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:17] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [16:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [16:17] <Theoriser> First, let's start with this week's news. [16:18] <Theoriser> Laura Mallory has still not given up her fight against the books, claiming there are "hundreds, even thousands of other parents who have stood up against the Harry Potter series". Do you know of anybody else who objects to the books, and campaigns against them? [16:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i do, unfortunately [16:18] <Morgan_Noxwell> I know of no one who fights against the HP books [16:18] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I know several anti-HP people. [16:18] <Greeneyes15> my parents dissapprove of them, but they don't compain agenst them [16:18] <Skiplives> Not me [16:18] <cbm> No [16:18] <suzb> fortunalty i don't know anyone like that [16:18] <Morgan_Noxwell> they might not "like" HP b/c of other reasons... but no religious debates for me [16:18] <cbm> I know people who do not like them, but that is different [16:19] <fawkes28> i dont know anyone that goes to an extreme [16:19] *** Skiplives has quit [Bye] [16:19] <Greeneyes15> my parents for some odd reason think they're evil...don't ask me why [16:19] *** Alantie_el has joined #lounge [16:19] *** Skiplives has joined #lounge [16:19] <MrMcGonagall> I know plenty who disapprove of them on religious grounds. [16:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> it really doesn't make any sense... like Sue was saying... I wish she'd put all that effort into something different... some bigger cause like world hunger OR treatment of disease [16:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think a lot of parents are just scared - they probably wouldn't be so nervous about HP if they didn't hear other people being against them... like, instead of educating themselves, they just assume it's bad [16:19] <MrMcGonagall> Speaking as a member of the clergy myself, I disagree wholeheartedly with them. [16:19] <Greeneyes15> sad [16:19] <cbm> I know nobody who would try to keep people from reading the books [16:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> Just as many people (millions!!!) are in love with the books and disagree... it's their word against our word. [16:20] <MrMcGonagall> Most of the critics I know have read at least one. [16:20] <Greeneyes15> not my parents [16:20] <Greeneyes15> i dont think many people who are anti-Hp have rea them [16:20] <Theoriser> I can't remember anyone who protests about them right now, but I'm sure I know some [16:21] <Skiplives> I will at least listen to people that have read the books [16:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> not everyone will agree on this topic, but it seems futile to continue this fight and spend so much money on something like this... they will be read no matter what. [16:21] <Greeneyes15> exactly] [16:21] <fawkes28> very true, morgan [16:21] *** Alantie_el left #lounge [] [16:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> I understand her opinion and she has every right to make it ...but it's a tough stage. [16:22] <Skiplives> but it reminds me of the nuns that seriously warned us that listening to "Hotel California" would lead us into satanism [16:22] <cbm> My proplem is she is trying to impose her values on us [16:22] <cbm> "Hotel [16:22] <Greeneyes15> she shouldn't try to keep other who want to the the books from reading them [16:22] <fawkes28> many people object to popular literature - i think people just want their 15 minutes of fame [16:22] <Theoriser> What do you think of the news that many adults have lied about reading books like Harry Potter to appear as though they are in touch with new trends? Would you ever lie about reading a book? [16:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> Instead of taking the books OUT of the school, she should be recommending other religious books be introduced maybe (not necessarily the bible...) but you know [16:23] <cbm> Hotel California was one of favorite albums in high school [16:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think chocolate mentioned that in the comments?? [16:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha i loved this piece [16:23] <suzb> that made me laugh a lot [16:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i totally lied about reading the DaVInci code [16:23] <fawkes28> i was actually surprised that people lied about reading HP [16:23] <Greeneyes15> i thinks that's really funny...no i wouldn't lie about reading a book [16:23] <Greeneyes15> laugh [16:23] <fawkes28> like melissa, i thought it would be quite the opposite [16:23] <fawkes28> i thought people would deny reading the series [16:23] <Greeneyes15> mee too! [16:23] <cbm> I thought it was funny, because I know some adults who say the opposite [16:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> no I wouldn't lie but it just shows how much of an impact HP has had [16:23] <Skiplives> I'm a geek and I admit it [16:24] <MrMcGonagall> No. I read 8 out of the 10 on that list. The only ones I hadn't read were Men are from Mars and 1984. [16:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> my best is that I've read half of Moby Dick, but still claim it to be one of my favorite books... even though i've never finished it *blush* [16:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> [16:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but i liked what i read! [16:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [16:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> most of those books I had to read b/c of school reports and lessons.... they're not the kind I'd go for normally [16:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> 'cept HP! [16:24] <cbm> I have never read Moby Dick, If I lied about it and the next sentence out of the person I lied to was a ? about it, I would be stuck, the truth is always better [16:25] <Skiplives> I found I actually liked the classics I read because I wanted to [16:25] <Theoriser> I haven't read most of those books [16:25] <fawkes28> you are right, cbm [16:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Hehe, cbm [16:25] <Skiplives> War and Peace is very long [16:25] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think I would have liked them if I wasn't forced into reading them first [16:25] <fawkes28> i know when my students lie about reading a book [16:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i just always say "it's been so long since i read it" [16:25] <Morgan_Noxwell> aka school [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> Anyone who lied to me about HP would get in immediate trouble, because I would automatically begin quizzing them about their theories. [16:25] <Skiplives> and I like Pushkin better anyway [16:25] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:25] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:25] <fawkes28> yes, i dont think people can full us when it comes to HP [16:26] <cbm> I find that the casual fan has very few theories and is just taking it one book at a time [16:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think it's funny that people lie about reading HP...it's just so funny! [16:26] <fawkes28> most people on here are slightly obsessed laugh [16:26] <Greeneyes15> lol [16:26] <Skiplives> slightly? [16:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> or they've just started reading it recently [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> I just don't understand why anyone would lie about having read a book. [16:26] <cbm> Slightly? [16:26] <Theoriser> I'd only read hp and the lord of the rings [16:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, i love it when people ask me what i think's gonna happen in 7... they never know they're in for a 15 minute long explaination [16:26] <fawkes28> that is why i did this laugh [16:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> to sound more intelligent [16:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> and cooler [16:26] <Theoriser> Do you miss having John Williams compose music for the films, or do you prefer having the composer change from film to film? [16:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> no [16:27] <cbm> I have a 2 sentence answer I always give [16:27] <Greeneyes15> no [16:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i like the different sound [16:27] <suzb> same here theoriser and i still havent finished the last LotR book [16:27] <fawkes28> i am not a music person - i never knew there were different composers [16:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm fine without him [16:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't miss williams... he was very very good... but all his music has started to sound the same... I can hear Indianna Jones in HP [16:27] <MrMcGonagall> I don't mind having new composers. They use some of Williams' original work, but then add some very fresh new things as well. [16:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe fawkes [16:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> I love how they've been mixing it up [16:27] <suzb> i don't notice the music that much to be honest [16:27] <cbm> I did not notice the difference [16:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> I thought GoF's soundtrack was pretty good! [16:27] <fawkes28> music is just music to me - i am there to criticize the movie laugh [16:27] <Greeneyes15> i don't care much really bout the composer, as long as the music still sounds good [16:28] <Skiplives> I like John Williams (I have a well used original pressing Star Wars double album), but I do like some of the new music too [16:28] <Theoriser> I like having the composers change, but I do think that it totally affects the atmosphere of the film [16:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> has anyone ever listened to Fawkes song from CoS and then the Love Theme from Star Wars episode II? [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> ditto green [16:28] <fawkes28> nope [16:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they are VERY similar [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> Patrick Doyle had some very inspired moments in GoF. [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> see Chocolate... [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> there are similarities [16:28] <cbm> John Williams set the tone in SS, and I think the tone is what is most important [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> def... cmb [16:28] <Greeneyes15> i agree [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> cbm [16:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> sar [16:28] <Theoriser> I really notice it if the music isn't that great; it changes the impact of the film, I think [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> I agree cbm. I loved the score for the first movie. [16:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, cbm [16:29] <MrMcGonagall> I totally agree with John Noe that Harry's Wondrous World sends chills up my spine. [16:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i can't imagine Harry Potter without that theme [16:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> well w/o the music there is nothing to backdrop the mood [16:29] <Greeneyes15> me either chocolate [16:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> has anyone gotten sheet music and tried to play it on an instrument? [16:29] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I have. [16:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> SS I did... the main theme [16:29] <Theoriser> I had sheet music for it on violin once [16:29] <Greeneyes15> i can't play anything!!! sad [16:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, me too [16:29] <Theoriser> that was harry's wonderous world [16:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> piano for me [16:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> piano for me too [16:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> quidditch theme and Hedwig's theme [16:30] <Skiplives> A bass by itself is a bit sparse [16:30] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah [16:30] <Morgan_Noxwell> [16:30] <Theoriser> The fan interview this week was with Fergus McGhee, author of 'Beyond the Mist'. Have any of you read the book, and if so, what did you think? [16:30] <MrMcGonagall> I haven't, but now I want to. [16:30] <Skiplives> I haven't read it yet [16:31] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [16:31] <fawkes28> i have the book [16:31] <cbm> I may read it soon [16:31] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, kael! [16:31] <Theoriser> I hadn't heard of it before this interview [16:31] <kaelgirl> hey everyone. just a tad late. [16:31] <fawkes28> i started to read it but then got sidetracked by going on a trip to oklahoma and havent picked up with it since [16:31] <fawkes28> it seems very good so far but i only made it to chapter 1 or 2 [16:31] <Skiplives> though I never really cared for Dickens, so I don't know if it will be up my alley [16:32] <suzb> i haven't read it, sounds good though, i just resent people saying its the next harry potter or he's the next JKR just because im afriad nothing will ever come close to HP for me [16:32] <Theoriser> Fergus likes making up names, and taking inspiration from Latin words. Can you see similarities between this and the way that JK Rowling writes? [16:32] <Morgan_Noxwell> def [16:32] <MrMcGonagall> I like those kind of linguistic details. [16:33] <fawkes28> He amazes me that he was 12 years old when he started writing this - and all of the detail he has put in his stories [16:33] <Greeneyes15> i havn't rea the book yet [16:33] *** pottermad90 has joined #lounge [16:33] <fawkes28> my students are 12 - i wish they could write like that! [16:33] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, pottermad! [16:33] <pottermad90> hi y'all! [16:33] <Greeneyes15> but it sounds fimailar to jk [16:34] <MrMcGonagall> Jo has had to deal with criticism that her work reflects other authors, so I imagine it's a hazard of the profession of being a writer. [16:34] *** pottermad90 has quit [Bye] [16:34] <fawkes28> i think his approach to writing is very similar [16:34] <fawkes28> they both have a great love for the classics [16:34] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:34] <fawkes28> it is refreshing to see the same similar but in a completely different book [16:34] <MrMcGonagall> People of like minds would tend to think and write in the same way. [16:35] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:35] <MrMcGonagall> The Fergie-Jo mind meld. [16:35] <fawkes28> lol - great minds think alike [16:35] <Theoriser> Doris asked about Fergus's predictions for the last book; he thinks that Snape had to kill Dumbledore to fulfill his unbreakable vow, and that the theory of a vow between Snape and Dumbledore doesn't have much evidence. Do you agree? [16:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm personally a little tired of fan interviews that aren't directly related to Harry Potter, but i think it's personal preference [16:35] <Greeneyes15> testing... [16:35] <cbm> Very little evidence [16:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i see ya greeneyes [16:35] <Theoriser> we can see you, greeneyes [16:35] <fawkes28> oh i definitely disagree with him [16:35] <Greeneyes15> ok [16:36] <Greeneyes15> i dont agree really [16:36] <suzb> ditto fawkes [16:36] <Theoriser> I have to say, I agreed with him [16:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I agree. I thought there might have been once, but I gave up on that idea a long time ago. I don't think DD is into UVs. [16:36] *** PolythenePam has quit [Bye] [16:36] <kaelgirl> I don't think that Dumbledore and Snape made a vow. [16:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't think they did, either [16:36] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't think they did either [16:36] <kaelgirl> so I agree... [16:36] <Skiplives> I actually agree - Snape had to kill DD or die himself [16:36] <fawkes28> i think he was holding too much faith into the UV [16:37] <Greeneyes15> i don't think dd would make a vowl [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think DD is into anything that diminishes free will. [16:37] <fawkes28> and just saw it for the surface value - there is more to that vow than we know [16:37] <Greeneyes15> not it he trusted the person [16:37] <Greeneyes15> *vow [16:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he had an alterior motive... i think that he could have gotten away with saving Draco, to uphold that part of the vow, without having to kill dumbledore, but somethign was in it for him by killing poor old dumbie [16:37] <Skiplives> I don't think DD made a vow, but Snape may have agreed to follow DD orders [16:37] <Theoriser> I think dumbledore is more someone who would trust someone on faith, not because they had no choice [16:37] <Greeneyes15> agree ship [16:37] <Skiplives> HArry did after all [16:38] <fawkes28> i can agee with that skip [16:38] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Theo. [16:38] <cbm> The vow was to complete Draco;s mission [16:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but the vow was also to keep draco safe [16:38] <Skiplives> That vow was between the Black sisters and Snape [16:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> by killing dumbledore, draco might be in trouble for not performing what he was supposed to do [16:38] <cbm> It was a 3 part vow if I remember correctly [16:39] <fawkes28> i still think snape did it on DD's orders [16:39] <kaelgirl> I think that DD knew that Snape made the UV, and that to fulfill it that Snape had to kill DD. So it had to happen [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Snape knew exactly what he was agreeing to when he made the vow with Narcissa. [16:39] <cbm> If he did not complete draco's mission, the vow would have been broken [16:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think so too... i just like to be devil's advocate [16:39] <Theoriser> Fergus also thinks that Harry is the final horcrux, and predicts that he will have to sacrifice himself for Voldemort to be defeated. Do you think that this ending is possible? [16:39] <cbm> I agree MrM [16:39] <fawkes28> i think DD saw more value into snape's life than in his life - DD knew he was dying [16:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boo [16:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> no [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> Absolutely. My theory to a T. [16:39] <fawkes28> i agree, mr. m [16:39] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think snape knew what he was getting into [16:39] <Skiplives> Nope, I don't like this ending for the genre [16:39] <cbm> No, There is too much good in Harry [16:39] <fawkes28> No, horcurx - nope not at all [16:39] <kaelgirl> I don't like that ending [16:39] <Morgan_Noxwell> I do not believe harry is a horcrux [16:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> meeee neither [16:40] <cbm> I think that Harry will be alive at the end of the DH [16:40] <kaelgirl> I think that for Harry to be a horcrux, that LV had to have meant to make him into one. I don't think he did that night. [16:40] <Theoriser> it's possible, but I hope it's not true [16:40] <MrMcGonagall> Harry's a goner. It's in his nature to sacrifice himself. [16:40] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Theo, and I agree with Fergus. [16:41] <MrMcGonagall> I hope it's not true, but I think it's where the series is headed. [16:41] <Morgan_Noxwell> noooo he will not sacrifice [16:41] <cbm> He may attempt to sacrifice himself, but I think he will survive it [16:41] <kaelgirl> I think that Harry will die, but not because he's a horcrux [16:41] * fawkes28 covers her ears to mr. m and sings lalalala [16:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'd hate for him to die... it'd be such a blah epilogue [16:41] <Skiplives> I think that LV may have intended to make a Horcrux out of the Potter murders, but I agree in that I don't like Harry as an inadvertent Horcrux [16:41] * MrMcGonagall knows that fawkes can't sing worth a darn. [16:41] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:41] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think Harry will end up NOT killing LV and when he turns away, LV will ry to kill him and it will be rebounded again... b/c the horcruxes are all gone, LV will die [16:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, i think inadvertent horcrux is an oxymoron [16:42] <kaelgirl> I think that he didn't have the chance to use the potter murders as his next horcrux. Harry took him by surprise [16:42] <fawkes28> honeslty, would jo really write a whole series on Harry and then kill him off in the end? [16:42] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [16:42] <MrMcGonagall> It's not going to be just "killing him off." [16:42] <kaelgirl> its happened before, Fawkes [16:42] <cbm> I AGREE fawkes [16:42] <Theoriser> I agree, fawkes [16:42] <Greeneyes15> sry i keep comin in and out... [16:42] <Theoriser> After hearing this interview, do you think you would like to read the 'Beyond the Mist'? [16:42] <Morgan_Noxwell> she won't kill the boy who lived [16:42] <cbm> I do not think that JKR would make HP's life than tough, and then kill him off [16:42] <cbm> that [16:42] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah I'd give it a chance [16:42] <MrMcGonagall> Most definitely. Time for a trip to the bookstore. [16:43] <fawkes28> yes, it has motivated me to finish it smile [16:43] <Greeneyes15> yes i do! [16:43] <cbm> probably [16:43] <Skiplives> I think that Harry will tell LV he destoyed all the Horcruxes and LV will run away, fearing death, and die from a trip and fall [16:43] <Skiplives> smile [16:43] <suzb> If i can find it in the library im gonna give it a try [16:43] <kaelgirl> I would read the book [16:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [16:43] <Greeneyes15> smile [16:43] <Morgan_Noxwell> haha skip...that's funny [16:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> unfortunately, this book is going to end cheesily... love will destroy him! [16:43] <Morgan_Noxwell> [16:44] <Morgan_Noxwell> not necessarily cheesey [16:44] <Greeneyes15> laugh [16:44] <Skiplives> You mean the statue of Liberty is going to step on him? [16:44] <Theoriser> that would be funny, skip [16:44] <Theoriser> This week's Canon Conundrums was on the topic of Snape, and what his boggart and patronus could be. Do you think that every patronus is an important emotional image for the character? [16:44] <Skiplives> [ob ref: Ghostbusters 2] [16:44] <cbm> Yes [16:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it shows character [16:44] <kaelgirl> absolutely [16:44] <Greeneyes15> yeah [16:44] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think so. [16:44] <Skiplives> I would expect so [16:44] <Skiplives> It is a protector after all [16:44] <fawkes28> I think it does especially after finding out that tonks' patronus changed [16:45] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think it's what represents you [16:45] <MrMcGonagall> It reflects their deepest inner happiness. [16:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> swans have only one "love" in their life, which is like Cho's unending love of Cedric [16:45] <Morgan_Noxwell> and tied to your person very deeply [16:45] <cbm> I think his bogart is the war ending opposite of how Snape wants it to, if you believe Snape is evil, Harry standing over Voldemort’s dead body, if you think Snape is good, Voldemort killing Harry. [16:45] <Greeneyes15> i loked this canon conundrums [16:45] <Morgan_Noxwell> but for others, who haven't witnessed a lot of chaos, it might be more simple [16:45] <fawkes28> it seems as if the patronus is a part of you [16:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the PotterCast Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/PotterCast-f104.html. [16:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dag [16:45] <Skiplives> Too short [16:46] <Greeneyes15> i agree fawkes [16:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> 15 minutes is a long time... we always squeeze a lot into this final bit! [16:46] <Theoriser> Would we know Snape's motives if we knew what his boggart and patronus were? [16:46] <cbm> I wish I knew how a dog and otter relate to Ron and Hermione [16:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boggart, DEFINITELY [16:46] <Greeneyes15> i think we'd know a lot more about him [16:46] <MrMcGonagall> I think we would definitely know things about him that Jo doesn't want us to know yet. [16:46] <cbm> YES!! the boggart especially! [16:47] <fawkes28> oh yes! [16:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think we'd learn a lot more about snape if we knew those things [16:47] <kaelgirl> it would reveal a lot about him [16:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> yes [16:47] <fawkes28> definitely - me too cbm I want to know the boggart first [16:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> and where his loyalties lie [16:47] <cbm> I think it would be enough to answer the loyalty ? [16:47] <fawkes28> but i cant imagine a situation in which we would see his boggart [16:47] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think boggart would be more important than patronus with Snape. [16:47] <Skiplives> I agree - I wonder what it is though [16:47] <fawkes28> his patronus yes i think we will definitely see but where will we see the boggart? [16:48] <Morgan_Noxwell> yea.... except it might be lily's death, harry's death, or DD death OR LV death [16:48] <MrMcGonagall> One never knows, fawkes. [16:48] <Morgan_Noxwell> each possilbility shows a different part of snape...and if he's good or evil or loved [16:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's interesting that a lot of people say that they think the boggart would be about his loyalities... i think the boggart will be more about his REAL motivation for being a double agent in the first place... why is he playing both sides? what is he trying to gain overall? THAT will be what his boggart reflects, not his loyalities... he's not out to just please Dumbledore or please Voldemort... [16:48] <cbm> I thought it was the fear of something in the future [16:48] <Greeneyes15> [16:48] <Theoriser> nice idea chocolate [16:49] <Skiplives> I would expect something like his father [16:49] <Morgan_Noxwell> yes chocolate.... that's what I was getting at - you said it [16:49] <Greeneyes15> well, i'd better get going... [16:49] <fawkes28> well, i think maybe a pensieve memory would show us his motivation rather than the boggart [16:49] <cbm> Chocolate there are 3 camps on his loyalty, Dumbledore, himself, and Voldemort, I think that a boggart would eliminate at least 1 of the 3 [16:49] <Greeneyes15> see yas all later [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think you're right, chocolate. [16:49] <fawkes28> bye greeneyes [16:49] <Skiplives> bye [16:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks! bye greeneyes [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> His boggart I think would be the key to the mystery of Snape. [16:49] <Skiplives> Is it me or do the cast get a little trippy during this CC, what was Sue baking? Cookies or brownies? [16:50] <fawkes28> hopefully, harry will be paying attention to these things so we can figure out these clues [16:50] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah I agree MrM [16:50] <Theoriser> Melissa pointed out that the Order use patronuses to communicate. If Snape's patronus revealed that he was on the Death Eater's side, wouldn't the Order have thought it was suspicious? Could he somehow have avoided using a patronus? [16:50] <Greeneyes15> wish i could have participated more...my dumb computer was lagin again, stupid thing! [16:50] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [16:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wonder if snape can change his when he with different people? [16:50] <Skiplives> Snape may have, he was usually with DD [16:50] <fawkes28> see, snape is very intelligent - he may have been able to hid his true patronus [16:50] <Morgan_Noxwell> no I think he's used it before...and it didn't prove he was evil [16:50] <Morgan_Noxwell> or a DE [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure that his patronus would give too much away - certainly not anything that would say, "I'm a DE." [16:51] <cbm> Everyone ignored that Peter was a rat, so it would not suprise me, also they may think it reflects his past, not his present [16:51] <Skiplives> I don't like the idea of hiding a patronus [16:51] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [16:51] <Skiplives> even if it is a snake, would you expect anything less? [16:51] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah I don't think he hid it [16:51] <fawkes28> it probably is his real patrounus but because a war was going on i doubt people stopped to think about these things like we do [16:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe, you know it's a penguin [16:52] <Skiplives> lol [16:52] <Skiplives> you have to watch out for the penguins [16:52] <Morgan_Noxwell> with ahppy feet [16:52] <cbm> If it is a snake, it may be thought that it his betrayal of Voldemort it refers to [16:52] <Theoriser> Could a patronus's powers be limited depending on the form that it takes? [16:52] <Skiplives> I doubt it [16:52] <Morgan_Noxwell> no I don't think so... why would that matter? [16:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> like ron's little bitty dog? [16:52] <cbm> We do not know, I do not think we have seen enough of them [16:52] <Theoriser> Could a patronus's powers be limited depending on the form that it takes? [16:52] <Skiplives> I doubt it [16:52] <Morgan_Noxwell> no I don't think so... why would that matter? [16:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> like ron's little bitty dog? [16:52] <cbm> We do not know, I do not think we have seen enough of them [16:52] <suzb> i think the only limit on its power will be its caster [16:53] <cbm> agreed suzb [16:53] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think they repel dementors and send messages when used that way... [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so. I think LexiSteve had this right. A patronus does what a patronus is meant to do, and its corporeal form doesn't really make much of a difference. [16:53] <Skiplives> Their forms may reflect some style preferences on the part of the caster [16:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they just are a substitute for your feelings, so size shouldn't matter [16:53] <fawkes28> i dont think limit but i think the person who says the spell has the most important part of the force of the patronus [16:53] <Morgan_Noxwell> there could be other uses for them, but I don't think any of the other uses (whatever they may be) would matter on their "style" [16:53] <Skiplives> but I agree the form shouldn't matter [16:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think jkr just got a little excited when talking about the stag running the dementors down [16:54] <cbm> But, what was the description of Hermiones otter, it did not sound like it was moving fast in OotP [16:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i believe the otter was romping [16:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but don't quote me [16:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> well.... it was recent [16:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> she's new to it [16:54] <MrMcGonagall> The main power of a patronus is in the person casting the spell, I think, not the form it takes. [16:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> yes [16:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> I agree [16:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, sucks for the person with a slug patronus [16:55] <fawkes28> exactly mr. m [16:55] <Skiplives> Harry's patronus takes a direct approach, just like Harry. Ron's dog is smart and uses tactics to defeat much larger animals [16:55] <cbm> I think I need to wait until we see them against real dementors to have a good answer, but I would also guess power is most important [16:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohhh, nice skip [16:55] <fawkes28> harry is always going to have a stronger patronus than hermione - it doesnt matter what their patronus forms are [16:55] <Theoriser> How does a boggart know what shape to change into; does it change into what you're thinking about, or does it automatically know what your worst fear is? [16:55] <Skiplives> and the otter is a very deliberate animal , much like Hermione [16:55] <MrMcGonagall> I think it reads what is in your soul. [16:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think it KNOWS [16:56] <cbm> I think it is your worst fear as Hermione was suprised by hers [16:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't know about the boggart... nobody seemed surprised by theirs during class, but Mrs. Weasley seemed VERY surprised [16:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> it can ... like read your inner most thoughts and you subconscious [16:56] <Theoriser> yes, I think it must be your worst fear [16:56] <fawkes28> i think it is not necessarily of that exact moment - just of the overall fear you have [16:56] <Theoriser> beause otherwise you could think of anything random and it would turn into it [16:56] <Skiplives> I think the kids weren't surprised because they knew what to expect, Molly didn't [16:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> the fears you don't like to think about but always try to surface [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think boggarts, like patronuses, can change. [16:57] <cbm> I think it is cook that the fear changes through the years [16:57] <cbm> cool [16:57] <Skiplives> ah, agreed [16:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah... I think boggarts are more changeable than potroni [16:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> [16:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [16:57] * cbm is typing very poorly today sad [16:57] <Skiplives> probably [16:57] <suzb> agreed morgan [16:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what would death look like in a boggart? a tombstone? [16:58] <Skiplives> It's okay cbm we all have our days [16:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that seems hardly scary enough [16:58] <Theoriser> What do you think Snape's boggart and patronus could be? [16:58] <suzb> well Molly saw the bodies on the floor didnt she? [16:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's true [16:58] <cbm> For Mrs. Weasley, it was the dead bodies lying on the ground [16:58] <MrMcGonagall> I've no idea what the patronus might be, but I think his boggart is Lily Evans laughing at him. [16:58] <Skiplives> bogart - father patronus - bat [16:58] <Morgan_Noxwell> hmm I lik ehte snake idea [16:58] <cbm> I think his bogart is the war ending opposite of how Snape wants it to, if you believe Snape is evil, Harry standing over Voldemort’s dead body, if you think Snape is good, Voldemort killing Harry. [16:59] <fawkes28> i think his patronus could be a snake because he is very slippery and sneaky [16:59] <MrMcGonagall> For a patronus, maybe a spider. [16:59] <fawkes28> i like that boggart idea, cbm [16:59] <cbm> snake or bat sounds good to me [16:59] <suzb> love the snake idea but it just seems so obvious [16:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think his patronus would be something very.... double agenty... [16:59] <fawkes28> i was thinking something along those lines but couldnt put it into physical terms [16:59] <Morgan_Noxwell> maybe it's lily going with james... OR her death b/c he was there [16:59] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I was trying to think of an animal that is duplicitous. [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> twoface from Batman [17:00] <Skiplives> I like a bat as a patronus because it is not very impressive, and he would much rather have the snake [17:00] <cbm> Not a moose? smile [17:00] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe a demi-guise. [17:00] <Skiplives> no moose [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> A chamelion [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> chameleon? [17:00] <fawkes28> Time to head out. Thanks for coming to the chat everyone! smile [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lizard that camoflagues [17:00] <Skiplives> Thanks [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [17:00] <cbm> If it is a demi-guase, would anyone be able to see it? [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly!? [17:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [17:00] <Morgan_Noxwell> hehe [17:00] <Skiplives> that would be disappointing [17:00] <cbm> I like that idea [17:00] <Morgan_Noxwell> good chattin' all! goodnight! [17:01] <fawkes28> see you all next time! [17:01] <MrMcGonagall> This was a great chat! Thanks everyone! Come to WWW tomorrow evening if you can! [17:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i need to catch up on an hour of work! [17:01] <cbm> bye this was just too short, back to work [17:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye everyone! [17:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [17:01] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [17:01] <suzb> thanks for a great chat fawkes mr mcg and theoriser [17:01] <MrMcGonagall> You're welcome, suzb! [17:01] *** Morgan_Noxwell has quit [Bye] [17:01] <Skiplives> Thanks fawkes and MrMcG for everything [17:01] <fawkes28> thanks for coming! [17:01] <suzb> bye all! 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