RG Chat Transcript 6/02/07, OotP Chapters 25 & 26 |
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This chat was brought to you by... Aislinn cloudpic Expelliarmas fawkes28 Mr. McGonagall SoonerGryffindor RG Chat OotP Chapter 25 & 26 [12:00] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [12:00] <fawkes28> hey chocolate [12:00] <Puzzlepiece> hey chocolate [12:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast>  howdy[12:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm so glad y'all put the times on the announcement [12:01] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:01] <fawkes28> hey bookworm [12:01] *** mishale has joined #lounge [12:01] <bookworm1102> hey [12:01] <bookworm1102> whats up [12:01] <fawkes28> hi mishale [12:01] <Puzzlepiece> hi bookworm [12:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:01] <Aislinn> hello smile [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, mishale! [12:02] <fawkes28> hello Aislinn [12:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi aislinn [12:02] <mishale> hello :-) [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hooray, Aislinn is here! Our fearless leader. [12:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [12:02] <fawkes28> wootywoohoowahey [12:02] <bookworm1102> lol [12:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i really should be doing homework! eep [12:03] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:03] <fawkes28> everyone enjoying the weekend? [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Spectre! [12:03] <Puzzlepiece> I've decided to do the work while on here  [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> It's been OK so far [12:03] <Aislinn> hi spectre [12:03] <fawkes28> hi spectre [12:03] <Spectre> hi all smile [12:03] <bookworm1102> yes [12:03] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast is doing her tonails! [12:03] <fawkes28> but isn't it better now that you are here, Mr. M? [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> It's always better once I'm in the CB. [12:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe mrmg [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> I missed last week's RG chat and my life was not complete. [12:04] <Spectre> a good weekend, just watched a football match smile Russia 4:0 Andorra biggrin [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Andorra has a football team? I'm impressed. [12:05] <Puzzlepiece> football as in soccer or football as in football? [12:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> soccer [12:05] <Spectre> soccer [12:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> definitely not american football season, in any country [12:05] *** readypc has joined #lounge [12:05] <MrMcGonagall> Including the US [12:05] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, readypc! [12:05] <Spectre> hi readypc [12:05] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> baseball season!! [12:05] <Puzzlepiece> tis baseball season smile [12:06] <JaneMarple9> hello all////must be saturday smile [12:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> except the Reds are worst in the league [12:06] <fawkes28> yes, baseball season is not going too well for the Phillies sad [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [12:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi jane!! [12:06] <fawkes28> hello Jane [12:06] <bookworm1102> the only baseball games i go to are ranger games [12:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's so hot outside... i'm at my parents place because my apartment doesn't have air conditioning [12:07] <Spectre> never undestood baseball biggrin [12:07] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [12:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi seven! [12:07] <Spectre> hi Seven [12:07] *** Hermeeownee has joined #lounge [12:07] <bookworm1102> hi [12:07] <Spectre> undeRstood, that is [12:07] <fawkes28> hey seven and Hermeeownee [12:07] *** mankark has joined #lounge [12:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> [12:07] <mishale> I envey you then, chocolateisnotforbreakfast, here it's cold [12:07] <Puzzlepiece> hi mankark [12:07] <Hermeeownee> hey- did we miss much? [12:08] <mankark> er... hi [12:08] <SevenofNine> Greetings [12:08] <Hermeeownee> smile [12:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi mankark! [12:08] <JaneMarple9> hey seven and the people who'd just come in smile [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> It's a rather nice day here in Oklahoma. [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> We finally have sunshine. [12:08] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast sings "Oklahoma" in her head [12:08] <mankark> hi everyone. good to be here [12:08] <Puzzlepiece> lol chocolate [12:08] <Hermeeownee> no severe storms, finally [12:08] <mankark> get crackin then? [12:08] <bookworm1102> it been raining in Txas all week [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Here, too, bookworm. [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> its been burning without air conditioning up here in Canada [12:09] <SevenofNine> It's going to be 90 degrees F here [12:09] <SevenofNine> Clear and beautiful [12:09] <fawkes28> it has been very sunny in the NE except for the nightly thunderstorms [12:09] <Spectre> it's been burningly hot in Moscow all the week, higher than 30 C [12:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we need some rain here - the ohio river valley is pretty bad for smog, and it's getting worse without rain [12:09] <mankark> its been burning in new delhi,india [12:09] <SevenofNine> What does that translate into spectre? [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> umm [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> thats around-ish 100 [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> i think [12:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i know 22 is like 70F [12:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> right [12:09] <SevenofNine> Ah, and Moscow has a lot of humidity, doesn't it? [12:09] <Puzzlepiece> 21 is about room temperate [12:10] <SevenofNine> My son lived there for nearly two years [12:10] <SevenofNine> Met his wife (also American) there. [12:10] <mankark> so... Book 5 is it? [12:10] <Spectre> 30C is... mmm... 86 F or something... 30*9/5+32, right? [12:10] *** readypc has quit [Bye] [12:10] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:10] <Hermeeownee> I think its amazying how many different continents we represent [12:10] <SevenofNine> Oh, that's not bad. [12:10] <Hermeeownee> yes spectre... that's right [12:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi expie [12:10] <mankark> diverse crowd here [12:11] <Expelliarmas> Hello, one and all [12:11] <JaneMarple9> the suns finally beginning to shine in england smile [12:11] <bookworm1102> hey [12:11] <Spectre> yeah, the chat of the world biggrin [12:11] <fawkes28> hello expie [12:11] <Spectre> hi Expie [12:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [12:11] <JaneMarple9> hi expie [12:11] <Expelliarmas> I'm glad Jane, we're having a tropical storm here [12:11] <mankark> is this is a routine... saying hi expie [12:11] <fawkes28> i am hoping it is shiny in July, Jane - i don't like rain [12:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we're just waiting a bit to start, mankark smile let everyone come in and chat a bit [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> we have smog like no other, but 2 weeks ago we had hail the size of golfballs [12:12] <mankark> right [12:12] <Expelliarmas> a bit like saying "hi, Norm" in the old "Cheers" program I believe [12:12] <JaneMarple9> we always make small talk before the chat starts smile [12:12] <mankark> lol [12:12] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> But our Expie is very unlike Norm. [12:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha expie [12:12] <fawkes28> hey bemused [12:12] <JaneMarple9> or similar to "goodnight John Boy", but other way around biggrin [12:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [12:12] <bookworm1102> lol [12:12] <bemused> Hello fawkes! [12:12] <Hermeeownee> Mr.Mgonagall - its nice to meet someone else from OK [12:13] <Hermeeownee> hellow fawkes [12:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows your screenname [12:13] <Expelliarmas> ohhh, there's a show I never liked, The Waltons [12:13] <Hermeeownee> why? [12:13] <fawkes28> how is the other side of the fence going, bemused? [12:13] <Expelliarmas> hahaha, cinfb [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> If SoonerGryffindor comes, she's an Okie too, as her name suggests. [12:13] <mankark> so is everyone from the US OR UK? [12:13] <Hermeeownee> the more the merrier- [12:14] <bookworm1102> US [12:14] <Puzzlepiece> nope [12:14] <bemused> the other side of the fence is thriving, fawkes (and coming up with ever more inventive dishcloth recipes) [12:14] <Puzzlepiece> Canada [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> Ah yes, bemused and fawkes are now on opposite sides of the Snape debate. [12:14] <fawkes28> lol - so is our side bemused [12:14] <mankark> what debate? [12:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh... who's for snape being a baddie? [12:15] <SevenofNine> Loyalty? [12:15] <JaneMarple9> me me me [12:15] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast gets the 2x4 ready [12:15] <SevenofNine> Snape is DD's man [12:15] <bookworm1102> he is loyal [12:15] <bemused> Hello Seven! [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> No way, Seven. [12:15] <Puzzlepiece> Snape is out for himself [12:15] <JaneMarple9> of course snapes a bad bad bad man [12:15] <SevenofNine> (please Jo!) [12:15] <bemused> No, Jane - just misunderstood! [12:15] <mankark> i gree with puzzleoiece [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:16] <fawkes28> Death Eaters escape Azkaban–Dolohov, Rookwood, the Lestranges, etc. The Toad knows–Fudge and the Ministry were wrong. Bode died. Hagrid and Trelawney are on probation. Students are changing their minds about Harry and Dumbledore. On Valentine’s Day, Harry meets Cho for a date–a fiasco. He meets Hermione, Luna, and Rita Skeeter at the Three Broomsticks. He gives Rita an interview. [12:16] <fawkes28> Harry and his friends wait anxiously for the Quibbler issue with his interview. Neville thinks it was the right thing to do. Hermione explains Cho Chang. The Twins progress with their Skiving Snack boxes. Gryffindor loses to Hufflepuff, mostly due to Ron's poor play. More dreams about a corridor. The Quibbler was published and Harry gets a load of mail. Everyone reads it. [12:17] <fawkes28> Another dream through Voldemort’s eyes–Bode was Imperiused by Lucius. All in an effort to get Bode to take something he could not. Rookwood has a plan to get to it. Harry has a hard lesson with Snape, and they discuss the corridor dream. Snape warns Harry it’s important he prevent himself having these dreams. Snape’s job is to find out what the “Dark Lord” is saying to his DEs. [12:17] <fawkes28> Harry counters Snape and briefly sees some of Snape’s unpleasant thoughts and memories. Snape hits Harry hard with legilimens, and Harry has his corridor dream again–through the door, into a room with more doors. The Toad tries to publicly sack Trelawney. Trelawney is sacked, but not removed from the grounds. The new Divination teacher–Firenze, the centaur. [12:17] <fawkes28> Thanks to Room 18–The Atrium and Chamber 88 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 25 and 26. [12:17] <fawkes28> Hermione turns the screws on Rita and gets her to do what Hermione wants. What did you think of Hermione’s behavior? Was it ethical? [12:17] <JaneMarple9> sorry smile bit quick there! [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> Let me put it this way: it's as ethical as the original blackmail. [12:18] <mankark> well its blackmail isn't it. But, we love t hate rita, so its ok [12:18] <JaneMarple9> it wasn't erhnical but its rita [12:18] <bemused> No - but Hermione does seem to be exploring her inner Slytherin a little in this book... [12:18] <Puzzlepiece> I loved it. Its one of my favourite parts of the book [12:18] <bookworm1102> nothing etichal when it comes to rita [12:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, agreed, bemused [12:18] <fawkes28> yes, bemused - she does seem to have some slytherin in her [12:18] <Puzzlepiece> it is a little unethical, but Rita was so horrid to her before... [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione does have a ruthless streak. [12:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i dont think a hufflepuff would have done it [12:19] <Hermeeownee> Hermione is starting to realize that the world is more grey than originally thought. [12:19] <fawkes28> we cheer her on because she is Hermione, but I wonder if we would so the same if it was Pansy [12:19] <Expelliarmas> I think Hermione got it right. She's in a war situation, the only way to get a quality article published is through Rita. [12:19] <bookworm1102> i think people will start to learn to never get hermione mad [12:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> agreed, bookworm! [12:19] <bemused> I don't think we would, fawkes - and yes Expie, I agree that she couldn't have achieved this nicely [12:19] <Hermeeownee> don't mess with Hermeeonee!!! smile [12:20] <bemused> but it still doesn't make it ethical - just effective! [12:20] <mankark> lol [12:20] <Puzzlepiece> hehe [12:20] <bookworm1102> lol [12:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly - if it works! [12:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and she's not hurting anyone we don't mind seeing hurt [12:20] <Hermeeownee> she is definately showing her rebellious side. [12:20] <fawkes28> she does what she has to do to protect harry [12:20] <Puzzlepiece> but thats why JKR's world is so enticing. The good guys arent always ethical. Its realistic [12:20] <Aislinn> we know that the Prophet has been compromised, so the article on Harry would never be published by the established reporters [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, there were other options to getting the article written. [12:20] <Aislinn> what other options, Mr M? [12:20] <Expelliarmas> This is a different game, with much higher stakes. Hermione kept up and played hard with Rita--who only months before took great pains to abuse quite a few people with her posin pen [12:21] <Expelliarmas> *poison [12:21] <fawkes28> Rita looks a mess after about 8 months of keeping her poison quill to herself. What did you think of her situation? Was it deserved? Did Hermione go too far? [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps none as effective as using a well-known reporter like Rita, but it isn't as if the writers for the Quibbler are Pulitzer winners. [12:21] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [12:21] <mankark> Rita handles it well though ..eh/ [12:21] <Spectre> Luna conducting the interview with Harry instead of Rita? [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think Hermione went too far. [12:22] <bookworm1102> i think in away it wsa deserved [12:22] <Expelliarmas> Well, one wonders if Rita could not get a job doing anything else at all [12:22] <Puzzlepiece> I think that Hermione was right to make her stop writing [12:22] <mankark> gardening [12:22] <JaneMarple9> no hermione had the just ammount of time [12:22] <Aislinn> Rita had ruthlessly been using people to forward her own career by whatever means necessary [12:22] <bemused> But would anyone have taken an article by Luna seriously? I think that's the dilemma [12:22] <bookworm1102> b/c it could have gotten a whole lot worse [12:22] <fawkes28> but who made Hermione judge and enforcer? [12:22] <Aislinn> I think it was a fitting punishment, if maybe applied in a vigilante style [12:22] <JaneMarple9> she had to be stopped some how [12:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think she misses her job... she's still compulsively coming up with fake headlines without a story, even about Ludo Bagman... and even though she knows she wouldn't be able to write the story [12:22] <Aislinn> no, bemused, that is exactly the problem [12:22] <Expelliarmas> Hermione insisted Rita keep her pen to herself. Had she been reported to the Ministry, they would have turned a blind eye, because the bile Rita was reporting was exactly what they wanted [12:22] <MrMcGonagall> I don't have as much a problem with the punishment as with Hermione's assumption of authority over Rita. [12:22] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [12:23] <JaneMarple9> well fawkes, hermione is the most intelligent witch of her age....apparently! [12:23] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [12:23] <Puzzlepiece> hi cloudpic [12:23] <fawkes28> hey cloudpic [12:23] <Hermeeownee> did hermionee say she couldn't write- or that she coudln't write lies? [12:23] <JaneMarple9> ((((Cloud)))) [12:23] <mankark> couldnt write [12:23] <bemused> Thing is - Rita hasn't changed - she is still quick to look for sensational things to say [12:23] <Spectre> and "intelligent" isn't equal to "ethical" smile [12:23] <cloudpic> howdy everyone! [12:23] <Expelliarmas> the Ministry is not adverse to ignoring the law when it suits them [12:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she couldn't write .. but whne as rita ever written truth, anyway [12:23] <JaneMarple9> quite true expie [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> She had to keep her pen to herself, so basically a year's ban on writing. [12:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *when has [12:23] <Puzzlepiece> Rita is a known name that will be taken seriously and well. As well, she knows how to write better than Hermione, clever or not. You cant buy experience [12:23] <cloudpic> Rita is all about sensationalism... alas there's quite an audience for that [12:23] <fawkes28> yes, but it wasn't Hermione place to take charge of the situation - she had a choice [12:23] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, it doesn't seem as if she has learned much from her circumstances [12:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> very true, cloudpic [12:24] <Expelliarmas> Actually, the Quibbler piece is likely the closest thing to being an objective reporter that Rita has ever achieved [12:24] <Hermeeownee> fawkes - how else could she have acheived the same aims? [12:24] <bemused> Presumably she's also an established name in the wiz. world [12:24] <MrMcGonagall> True, Expie. [12:24] <Aislinn> and that was only due to Hermione's efforts, expie [12:24] <Spectre> Rita is an embodiment of tabloid press smile [12:24] <mankark> plus both the girls(luna and hermione)are friends of harry and their article would have been discredited [12:24] <cloudpic> I agree, Expie.... I wonder if Hermione had "editing privileges [12:24] <fawkes28> Rita admits Fudge is putting pressure on the Daily Prophet. She also says the paper exists to sell itself. What did you think of this information? [12:25] <Aislinn> I think it is completely accurate [12:25] <MrMcGonagall> I thought, "Duh." [12:25] <Puzzlepiece> I think its very true and explains a lot [12:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sounds like american newspapers and tv shows to me [12:25] <cloudpic> Not surprised, just disappointed (cynics are us anymore) [12:25] <bemused> It was predictable [12:25] <mankark> they go with the mood of the public] [12:25] <Aislinn> and all the more reason for Hermione to take matters into her own hands [12:25] <fawkes28> Fudge is a git but people always have a choice [12:25] <Hermeeownee> It doesn't suprise me that Fudge is using a heavy hand - he is using it everywhere else - especially with hogwarts [12:25] <MrMcGonagall> Most media do function this way. [12:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when it's all about competition, it's about getting the most readers or viewers, and sometimes you have to be underhanded [12:25] <JaneMarple9> not suprised [12:25] <cloudpic> I don't think sensationalism is a purely American phenom, chocolate [12:25] <Spectre> Fudge wants to sell more and more copies of Ministry's point of view [12:25] *** mankark has quit [Bye] [12:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i just don't know how it is anywhere else lol didn't wanna speak for everyone [12:25] <JaneMarple9> thats how newspapers sell - thet sell scandal (mostly!) [12:26] <bookworm1102> The dail prophet doesnt care about there content [12:26] <cloudpic> The public gets what the public wants [12:26] <bookworm1102> exactly [12:26] <MrMcGonagall> The only difference between a tabloid and a newspaper nowadays is the scale of distortion. [12:26] <JaneMarple9> the daily prophet enjoys painting people in a bad light [12:26] <mishale> I'm not totally sure if that's what the public wants [12:26] <cloudpic> We are all loathe to [12:26] <fawkes28> it is a shame that is how media is viewed today - just for the scandals rather than the true content [12:26] <bookworm1102> but they belive everything [12:26] <cloudpic> face bad news... that's why the global warming news was so hard to get out there [12:26] <Puzzlepiece> but they will read it. even if they dont want it, they are interested in it and want to read what it says [12:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's kind of like when a little black boy goes missing or when a little white girl goes missing... the white girl will get more coverage, unfortunately, because more people want to see it,e ven though both deserve to get the same treatment [12:27] <fawkes28> Luna sings “Weasley Is Our King” under her breath. Why? [12:27] <cloudpic> She's got a crush on Ron? [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Because she's a ditz. [12:27] <bemused> She has a thing about Ron.... [12:27] <Aislinn> because it's catchy and she is flaky [12:27] <cloudpic> LOL bemused [12:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with mrmcg! [12:27] <bookworm1102> because shes cool like that [12:27] <Puzzlepiece> because it was a nice little touch by JKR [12:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it was just funny [12:28] <cloudpic> I agree bookworm... she does the unexpected [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> She probably didn't even realize she was doing it. [12:28] <bemused> Maybe it had a catchy tune [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> it is a catchy tune [12:28] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:28] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast hums it now [12:28] <Spectre> she likes the song biggrin [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> welcome sooner [12:28] <Hermeeownee> her level of creativity is unique? [12:28] <fawkes28> hey sooner [12:28] <cloudpic> Still... I think she likes Ron too [12:28] <bookworm1102> hi sooner [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hello everyone [12:28] <Spectre> hi Sooner [12:28] <Hermeeownee> hi sooner!! [12:28] <cloudpic> or is intrigued by him somehow [12:28] <bemused> I do, cloudpic - she keeps noticing him [12:28] * cloudpic waves to Sooner [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe she was just singing the melody under her breath. [12:28] <fawkes28> What did you think of Hermione reaching out to Luna to get Harry’s story published in The Quibbler? [12:28] <Hermeeownee> I think she has more of a thing for Harry [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> she is intriged by everything [12:28] <mishale> what made you think luna likes ron? [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> Not the lyrics. [12:28] <cloudpic> LOL I loved when she just sat and stared at him [12:28] * JaneMarple9 waves to sooner too! [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> There was that whole thing on the train, laughing uproariously at a joke that wasn't that funny. [12:29] <JaneMarple9> very clever [12:29] <Spectre> Hermione used every possible connections to get things done [12:29] <cloudpic> She seems to "notice" him rather often, mishale [12:29] <bemused> Again, Hermione is making good use of whatever opportunity is to hand [12:29] <Aislinn> I thought it was very smart [12:29] <fawkes28> she is creative in getting what she wants [12:29] <Hermeeownee> she is being resourseful [12:29] <JaneMarple9> one way of getting luna's father involved [12:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think hermione was just using her resources... not that i want to be like "she was using luna" but she was exploiting her relationship with Luna to get what she wanted [12:29] <JaneMarple9> the quibbler is perfect [12:29] <Aislinn> she knew it was a way to get the story out there, since Luna's father is not bound by the peer pressure of the Ministry [12:29] <fawkes28> if it wasn't for The Quibbler, she may have started her own paper! [12:30] <JaneMarple9> she was sort of using luna...but to help harry [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they need some media source that would actually publish it. [12:30] <Spectre> Quibbler was popular enough, I suppose, even if not as popular as the DP [12:30] <bookworm1102> that would be cool fawkes [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione was simply using the tools that were at hand [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> nobody else would have touched it with a ten foot pole. [12:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right - i think she is a little exasperated with luna still, but i think she's happy knowing that luna is on their side, too [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I thought it took a lot more guts to contact Rita [12:30] <bemused> Harry's story did the Quibbler good too [12:30] <JaneMarple9> nope too right mr mcG [12:30] <fawkes28> yes, it did, bemused [12:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> luna may be a bit nuts, but she's a nutter on Harry's side [12:30] <bookworm1102> agreed sooner -------------------- |
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[12:30] <fawkes28>[12:30] <fawkes28> Did Hermione read the situation correctly? Was the public ready for Harry’s story?
[12:31] <MrMcGonagall> Yes. [12:31] <bookworm1102> i think so [12:31] <bemused> Yes [12:31] <Puzzlepiece> definitly [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> the Azkaban breakout had people freaked out. [12:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they might not have been ready, but the needed to hear it [12:31] <cloudpic> The evidence seems to support it [12:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey [12:31] <bookworm1102> they need a hero [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> And no one was satisfied with the "official" version of events. [12:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they... dang it [12:31] <fawkes28> i think the people needed to know the truth even if it was hard to hear [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely. Before the breakout, they might not have been [12:31] <cloudpic> She got what she expected... this is one sharp little cookie (look out Ministry!) [12:31] <Puzzlepiece> it was the perfect time to move. Just when people are beginning to doubt, before they have time to make up excuses [12:31] <fawkes28> they needed to realize that it is time to start protecting themselves [12:31] <bookworm1102> or someversion of one anyway [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, puzzle. [12:31] <Hermeeownee> the azkaban breakout made people realize that the Prophet wasnt' telling the whole truthe [12:32] <Aislinn> they certainly seemed to be, based on some of the responses that Harry received. [12:32] <bookworm1102> every would probably start reading the quibbler [12:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i loved when it was realized that when black was loose, there were dementors everywhere, but when there was the mass breakout, tehre were none to be found... there was definitely doubt [12:32] <Puzzlepiece> but it was too early to have a complete cover story for it, with a "legitimate" ministry reason [12:32] <cloudpic> Yes, Hermeeownee... that was the "felt need"! [12:32] <bemused> You see it with Cho - the way she questions why the Dementors aren't out [12:32] <Aislinn> yes, Hermeownee, the breakout was a good catalyst to open the publics' eyes [12:32] <JaneMarple9> yep [12:32] <fawkes28> Dolohov murdered Fabian and Gideon Prewett. These were Molly’s brothers. How do you think she took the news of his escape? [12:32] <JaneMarple9> it was a proper story for the prophet for once [12:32] <bookworm1102> it shows that the ministerys missed up too [12:33] <cloudpic> Poor, Molly.... likely more tears and fears [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> I think she took it in tears [12:33] <bookworm1102> badly [12:33] <Spectre> Similarly as Neville took the news of Lestranges [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet it shook her up [12:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think she was frightened for her family more than anything... we saw at the beginning how she was so scared for them [12:33] <bemused> I expect she was shaken by it - and more fearful for her family [12:33] <fawkes28> one more thing to add to her plate [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> especially with her family issues with Percy [12:33] <JaneMarple9> probably her usual mollyish ways - throws a mollywobble! [12:33] <fawkes28> i bet she started having even more nightmares [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> oooh, good question. I bet it really disturbed her. [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> boggart all over again [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I am really glad he is back in prison [12:34] <cloudpic> I suspect it lead her to "gird her loins" as well.... I think Molly is getting ready to do battle... she's a Mom... they can be fierce! [12:34] <bookworm1102> molly will probably go crazy at the end of it all b/c sehe is so worried [12:34] <JaneMarple9> but she has the percy issue to deal with and worrying about harry and the others at hogwarts [12:34] <Aislinn> she is not a stupid woman - she already knew the danger they were all in, and this was just one more confirmation of it [12:34] <Spectre> Dolohov is one of the strongest escapees... [12:34] <mishale> but she must have known that they would escape sooner or later... [12:34] <Puzzlepiece> Dolohov is one of the scariest... [12:34] <cloudpic> Molly seems more than just a weepy sort... I agaree Aislinn, she's ready to focus. [12:34] <Hermeeownee> do you think her worry will paralyze her in book 7? [12:34] <JaneMarple9> i'd say she was just like that cloud, too [12:34] <MrMcGonagall> The Azkaban breakout unnerved everyone. [12:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they might havae even been tipped off by Snape that it would happen soon [12:35] * cloudpic would have hid under the bed [12:35] <Spectre> Though did Dolohov actually know anything about Molly Prewett Weasley? [12:35] <JaneMarple9> shes ready for battle...two books before it starts [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> As a mother, I think it is safe to say that she wil worry, but concern for her family will not allow her to freeze up. She will do what she must [12:35] <cloudpic> Interesting possibility, chocolate [12:35] <fawkes28> Rookwood gave Voldemort inside Ministry information during the first war. What kind of information do you suppose he passed along? What did he get out of it? [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yeah sooner [12:35] <Spectre> Something similar to what Lucius is doing now, I think [12:35] <Hermeeownee> then the bogatt was just an anomyly? (sp) [12:35] <bookworm1102> probably alot about the ministry [12:35] <JaneMarple9> about the prophecys? [12:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> probably people in the ministry who were working for the order [12:35] <Puzzlepiece> stuff about the DOM [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> didnt it involve Ludo [12:35] <JaneMarple9> about who was guarding it [12:36] <Puzzlepiece> this was before he took notice in the Prophecies [12:36] <mishale> about the work of the aurors? [12:36] <bemused> Yes, I think so Sooner [12:36] <JaneMarple9> about the Order guarding it [12:36] <bookworm1102> where the hall of prophcys was [12:36] <cloudpic> That's likely why they needed the Order.... [12:36] <JaneMarple9> and also information from the Unspeakables [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> so my answer to that depends on what Ludo was in charge of [12:36] <cloudpic> because Voldie was getting the jump on the Ministry's efforts at stopping him [12:36] <Expelliarmas> Rookwood got to be Voldy's pet for a couple of minutes and was not crucio'd [12:36] <JaneMarple9> ludo was in charge of magical games and sports wasn't he? [12:36] <Hermeeownee> brb [12:36] <cloudpic> LOL, Expie.. you're likely right (he doesn't seem like the sort to remember favors) [12:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> during the first war, ludo was a quidditch player [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but I wonder about back then [12:37] <JaneMarple9> can you see voldie bothering about quidditch etc? biggrin [12:37] <Puzzlepiece> no, at that point wasnt he still a beater [12:37] <bookworm1102> what do you mean sooner [12:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha no, jane [12:37] <fawkes28> Why is Bellatrix such a focal point of this chapter? Why not her husband? [12:37] <Aislinn> Bella is clearly the more powerful of the two [12:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because her hubby isn't as sensational as she is [12:37] <Spectre> A foreshadowing [12:37] <cloudpic> Harry just couldn't stop staring at her picture... not the others...hers [12:38] <Puzzlepiece> because she is related to Sirius [12:38] <bemused> perhaps he's a bit henpecked! [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Ludo was a quidditch player, but he was up on charged of Leaking Mom secrets, so he must have been employed by the MoM back during Voldy war I as well [12:38] <cloudpic> It bothered me, his staring at her like that. Couldn't figure it out. [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Bella might be just a bit more evil than any of the other DEs, except for LV himself [12:38] <Aislinn> Harry took the measure of her when he viewed her trial in the pensieve [12:38] <bookworm1102> b/c she killed the longbottom and they were apart of the prophcy [12:38] <Aislinn> she was the one who was most outspoken [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Because Bella, not her husband is related to Sirius and Narcissa [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> She's the real psycho. The dark Queen of the chess game. [12:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and Harry knows her past more than the others - knows that she was responsible for the Longbottoms [12:38] <bemused> Yes - she is seriously scarey [12:38] <cloudpic> Yes, Aislinn, maybe because of that scene [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Oh, all the purebloods are interrelated [12:39] <fawkes28> i like how Jo shows women who are powerful too - not just the men [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> I love her name (in the context of the story)... warmaker. [12:39] <cloudpic> Their are others who are horribly dangerously crazy too.... is it because she's a crazy powerful woman?? [12:39] <fawkes28> how very true that is, Mr. m [12:39] <cloudpic> That she's scarier? [12:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Bella means beautiful, too... i think it's a sign of some kind of terrible beauty. how you can be good looking on the outside, but be crazy on the inside [12:40] <Puzzlepiece> nice chocolate [12:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> like a siren [12:40] <bookworm1102> thats interesting [12:40] <Aislinn> good thought chocolate [12:40] <cloudpic> Oh yes [12:40] <fawkes28> Fudge tries to shift the blame for the break out on Sirius. Do you think the public was fooled? [12:40] <bemused> Yes - no offence meant here. but i think the idea of a woman torturing people and enjoying it is scarier [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> so would she be considered a temptress> [12:40] <bookworm1102> no [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think the public bought that argument. [12:40] <Expelliarmas> By then, the public was no longer willing to be deceived. [12:40] <Aislinn> some of them weren't - hence the effectiveness of the Harry article [12:40] <fawkes28> some may have been - people like Percy [12:40] <bookworm1102> the public is not that stupid [12:40] <Expelliarmas> There were too many inconsistencies [12:40] <cloudpic> S ome were, likely.... I've seen cases where the "public" are fooled by the distractions offered by the powers that be. [12:40] <bemused> They might have been confused rather than fooled [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> It's clear the Ministry was stretching. [12:41] <cloudpic> Bread and circuses [12:41] <Spectre> the public was fed up of Sirius at that point, I think [12:41] <Expelliarmas> Percy wanted to be deceived [12:41] <Aislinn> there were some though, that probably still allowed themselves to be lulled by the Ministry's words [12:41] <cloudpic> smoke and mirrors [12:41] <bemused> after all, they don't know about Sirius [12:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it would have made some sense to me, if i didn't know anything about what was going on... since sirius was the only one to break out of azkaban before... but it wouldn't have all matched up, with the dementors not being around looking for everyone [12:41] <JaneMarple9> percy's family is the ministry at the moment [12:41] <Puzzlepiece> well, again, they didnt totally buy it and were looking for better answers -> Harry [12:41] <cloudpic> That's true [12:41] <fawkes28> but there are people who take the Ministry's word as important - i am sure he has some - although very few supporters [12:41] <Hermeeownee> back [12:41] <cloudpic> If you're fearful... you'd rather not be reminded of it. [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Well, as Fudge himself said at the end of GoF, most wizards only slept well at night because they knew the dementors were guarding Azkaban. [12:42] <bookworm1102> yes fawkes but those are the peope who don't like reality [12:42] <bemused> some people did write to Harry to say he was wrong... presumably they were fooled [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> We notice that the Ministry doesn't offer an explanation as to how the breakout happened. [12:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, mrmcg... i woudl have rather believed that sirius broke everyone out under the dementor's noses, than to think that the dementors let anyone go [12:42] <Expelliarmas> and everyone else slept uneasilty because they were guarding Azkaban [12:42] <bemused> or just unwilling to face the truth [12:42] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:42] <fawkes28> because they do not want any fault to fall upon themselves [12:42] <Expelliarmas> that's because they couldn't figure out a good story for it [12:43] <fawkes28> Was Snape helping or hindering Harry with the Occlumency lessons? [12:43] <bookworm1102> well we know no that in some ways that the dementors cant be trusted [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> no comment [12:43] <Aislinn> hi becky [12:43] <becky920> hi, y'all! [12:43] <cloudpic> That is an excellent question. [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> hi becky [12:43] <fawkes28> oh, come on, sooner [12:43] <bookworm1102> i think both [12:43] <becky920> I think it was a little bit of both. [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think he was just not good at teaching it. [12:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a little from column A and a littlefrom column B [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> I have no idea [12:43] <bemused> I don't think he was wilfully hindering - but the fact that he was Snape didn't help [12:43] <Aislinn> Harry's brain always seemed to be more open after the lessons, even if that is the nature of learning Occlumency [12:43] <fawkes28> I do not see how it helped him at all [12:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he knew he probably was supposed to, but couldn't stop his own hatred for Harry getting in the way [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it was entirely Snape's fault Harry wasn't learning Occlumency [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> I suppose, had it been Dumbledore, it might have been better [12:43] <cloudpic> By continuing to be "himself" he must have known Harry couldn't control his emotional reactions [12:43] <Aislinn> it certainly didn't help [12:43] <becky920> I think Snape could have been a little less vindictive as a teacher. [12:43] <fawkes28> if it was any other , it may have been a help [12:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with mc.g [12:44] <Hermeeownee> I think he took to much delight in setting Harry off to be of help. [12:44] <bemused> Harry wasn't trying [12:44] <fawkes28> yes, Aislinn - exactly [12:44] <bookworm1102> harrry was not willing to learn at the same time too though [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> let's just say that there was fault on both sides [12:44] *** mankark has joined #lounge [12:44] <bookworm1102> at least from snape [12:44] <becky920> They both seemed to know which buttons of the other's to push [12:44] <fawkes28> there really was no point of the lessons - it simply showed us more of Snape's character [12:44] <Spectre> If Snape did hinder Harry, he didn't do it deliberately [12:44] <bemused> and the fact that simply being near Snape gets him all fired up was probably opening his mind even more [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Snape was purposely softening him up. [12:44] <cloudpic> But... at least once he was alarmed by the fact that Harry was not learning... more even than Harry's getting into his own head [12:44] <Hermeeownee> You don't think he pushed his buttons deliberately? [12:44] <Puzzlepiece> this is very much a snape good/bad question. We cant really be sure until we know his true allegience [12:45] <mankark> maybe harry cant be successful in occ. cause of his troubled past [12:45] <Expelliarmas> I find it amazing there was no other person available to teach Harry Occlumency. Another example of Dumbledore missing the mark, assuming Snape can be mature and Harry can forgive [12:45] <fawkes28> Snape enjoys seeing Harry suffer [12:45] <Aislinn> I think snape wants to use Harry as a tool Mr M, so I actually agree with you on that [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think its possible to open someones head up like Ron was suspecting [12:45] <mishale> maybe Snape thought it was just because harry is so bad at it [12:45] <cloudpic> I agree, Mr. McG. I think he should have known his approach wouldn't prevent emotion... but he was right, Voldie would have played Harry too [12:45] <becky920> I think Snape seemed to be trying to prove Harry wasn't as good as Snape was. Which seems pretty childish. [12:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry is defined by his emotional reactions, so occlumency is naturally difficult for him. his character is defined by his gut reactions, his emotions, and his strong feelings. While snape's character is more defined by his ability to be un-readable, and his covering up of emotions and his subtlety, making occlumency almost a natural talent for him [12:45] <bookworm1102> i dont think snape had any fath in harry [12:45] <bemused> At one point he tells Harry to close his eyes - I wondered if that might be an attempt to make him forget who his teacher was [12:45] <Aislinn> exactly chocolate [12:45] <cloudpic> Snape doesn't often see Harry doing well [12:46] <bemused> and just concentrate on what he was doing [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape knew Harry well enough to realize that this was going to almost be hopeless [12:46] <fawkes28> i am sure he was trying, bemused - for dumbledore's sake [12:46] <MrMcGonagall> Harry would have done better with a more supportive teacher. [12:46] <becky920> Like Lupin. [12:46] <mankark> like lupin? [12:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with sooner [12:46] <fawkes28> it was a big mistake on Dumbledore's part [12:46] <Aislinn> Dumbledore actually should have known that this wouldn't be possible for Harry - I hold him accountable more than anyone else [12:46] <cloudpic> To be the devil's advocate, though, Voldie wouldn't be kindly [12:46] <becky920> lol, mankark [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [12:46] <Aislinn> I don't think much better, Mr M [12:46] <cloudpic> As do I, Aislinn [12:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too aislinn [12:46] <bookworm1102> I agree mrmcg [12:46] <bemused> Presumably Lupin couldn't do Occlumency [12:46] <fawkes28> Was Ron correct to doubt Snape’s allegiance? Or was Hermione right to trust Snape because Dumbledore trusted Snape? [12:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dumb dumbledore [12:46] *** Hermeeownee has quit [Bye] [12:46] <JaneMarple9> yeah lupin would have been a better teacher [12:46] <cloudpic> But Dumbledore was right to be afraid to attempt it [12:46] <becky920> I think Harry might have taken it a bit more seriously -- and put his personal feelings about Snape aside more -- if he'd known more about why he needed the lessons [12:46] <Aislinn> it is antithetical to Harry's nature to close his mind [12:47] <bemused> No prizes for guessing I vote for HErmione there! [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Ron was wrong because I dont htink its possible to "soften" someone's brain like that [12:47] <bookworm1102> i not really shure about that [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> but I suppose it might have been more dangerous if Occlumency, which appears to open Harry up more, was taught by DD giving LV accesss in close proximity to DD> So in essence, DD was right [12:47] <JaneMarple9> they were both right in a way [12:47] <bemused> but it was a fiar question from Ron [12:47] <cloudpic> We've seen Ron's instincts right before... [12:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Hermione - although Ron does have good arguments. [12:47] *** Hermeeownee has joined #lounge [12:47] <bemused> *fair [12:47] <fawkes28> yes, I think that Ron was right to question Snape - he was not being naive [12:47] <cloudpic> but not usually about Snape... [12:47] <becky920> Hard to say, fawkes. Of course, I'm a Snape's-not-good person, but I don't think he had *yet* concretely decided to work against Dumbledore. [12:47] <JaneMarple9> snape has never given the trio any reason to trust him [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> They were both fair observations. [12:47] <cloudpic> Good point, Jane [12:47] <bemused> But Dumbldore has, Jane [12:47] <JaneMarple9> if snape was more approachable, it would have been easily [12:47] <bookworm1102> but ron hated snape from the begininng and hermoine was willing to give snape a chance [12:48] <Expelliarmas> They both have good thoughts, but it comes down to Dumbledore making a mistake: thinking Harry and Snape could work together for the greater good [12:48] <bemused> True, Expie [12:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Snape doesn't feel like he needs to be trusted by the trio, only by Dumbledore, so he doesn't feel the need to give them a reason. Hermione sees that, i think... that Snape is able to be trustworthy, without gaining their trust first hand [12:48] <cloudpic> Dumbledore has been so distant that Harry is completely unwilling to approach him and be rejected [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione is a lot like McGonagall. She will trust Snape because DD does [12:48] <Expelliarmas> same mistake as thinking Snape and Sirius could work together [12:48] <becky920> Hermione's one failure is that she is only just learning that not all authority is "good" -- she's learned not to trust Umbridge, but why does she trust Snape? [12:48] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused but dumbledore has been ignoring harry all year [12:48] <Spectre> It shows Hermione's complete trust in Dumbledore [12:48] <JaneMarple9> it's enough for harry not to go to him [12:48] *** Spown has joined #lounge [12:48] <Expelliarmas> I think most of the Order trusted Snape on Dumbledore's say so [12:48] <becky920> And it seems like the fact that so many are willing to trust Dumbledore completely is sweet... but sets them up for disappointment. Nobody is completely perfect or infallible. [12:48] <mankark> ya lupin said as much [12:48] <JaneMarple9> i'd say so expie [12:49] <bookworm1102> except fro some expie [12:49] <cloudpic> It's as though JKR is preparing the reader to see things from all sides (but no help for understanding Snape) [12:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> same with the Death Eaters, though not as trustworthy as the order members, probably [12:49] <JaneMarple9> going on what dumbledore says [12:49] <cloudpic> But, you have to trust someone, surely? [12:49] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [12:49] <fawkes28> it is interesting that Harry's two friends were on different sides with this issue here [12:49] <cloudpic> Especially if you're a kid [12:49] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Pleshette! [12:49] <bemused> Yes, cloudpic [12:50] <JaneMarple9> hi phlesette [12:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, fawkes... makes it even harder for us to decide smile [12:50] <Pleshette> Hello smile [12:50] <Hermeeownee> I think you are right cloud pic [12:50] * Puzzlepiece waves goodbye [12:50] <bemused> Hello Pleshette [12:50] * cloudpic waves to Pleshette [12:50] <becky920> Trust, sure -- but where's the grain of salt? [12:50] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [12:50] <Aislinn> this is the central question of the series at this point, isn't it? whether it is wise to trust Snape [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione always seems to want to trust Snape [12:50] <JaneMarple9> she does [12:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> some trust doesn't signify absolute trust [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Hermione and Ron are often on different sides of the fence on things. [12:50] <cloudpic> It is, Aislinn [12:50] <bookworm1102> but remeber that hermione will fill guilty about trusting him later on [12:50] <bemused> and it's the one we'll never agree on.... [12:50] <JaneMarple9> only time i disagree with hermione's reasoning! [12:50] <Hermeeownee> but that comes from thinking that you can always trust teachers. [12:50] * cloudpic shifts uncomfortably on her fence [12:50] <bemused> well, not yet, anyway! [12:50] <Aislinn> that's very true bookworm [12:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hermione was very scandalized when Lupin seemingly betrayed her trust [12:51] <Aislinn> probably never bemused biggrin [12:51] *** Spown has quit [Bye] [12:51] <cloudpic> Hermione has usually been the one to be suspicious [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> well, she's old enough to have learned the lesson that teachers arent always to be trusted or respected [12:51] <bemused> don't say that, Aislinn, please.... [12:51] <becky920> The sad reality is, not everyone at a school is working in the student's best interest, whether they are good or not. [12:51] <bemused> I'd rather eat the sock than never know!!!! [12:51] <MrMcGonagall> LOL [12:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha [12:51] <becky920> LOL, bemused [12:51] <bookworm1102> lol [12:51] <Spectre> Hermione already Expelliarmused Snape on one occasion... smile [12:51] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [12:51] <cloudpic> But this isn't just any teacher... this is the only wizard voldemort fears... this is the greatest wizard of his time [12:51] <Aislinn> hehehe [12:52] <fawkes28> we know bemused! [12:52] <Hermeeownee> I think that Umbridge is a perfect case of hermione's realization that teachers are not always good. [12:52] <Pleshette> I'm sorry everyone, could you repeat the question for me? [12:52] <JaneMarple9> try eatting your words instead...might be tastier smile [12:52] <fawkes28> Did Harry do the right thing in telling Cho about the noontime meeting with Hermione? [12:52] <Spectre> hi Pleshette [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lolololol [12:52] <bookworm1102> agreed hermeeowee [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Yes, Cho was being a ninny [12:52] <bemused> Not in the way he did it [12:52] <cloudpic> Poor foolish Harry... he has no sense with girls [12:52] <mankark> i reckon hermione got the 1st taste of a wierd teacher from moody [12:52] <Expelliarmas> yes, but Umbridge isn't a teacher at all [12:52] <Aislinn> it was such a bumbliing teen boy thing to do [12:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha, hermione was right in what he SHOULD have told her [12:52] <bemused> but he really had to tell her [12:52] <JaneMarple9> hmmm not exactly tactful [12:53] <fawkes28> Harry could have done it differently [12:53] <becky920> Bless his heart, his timing was spectacularly awful. [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he had to say something about it, but clearly he wasn't clever enough to sense Cho's feelings on this one. [12:53] <JaneMarple9> agreed totally fawkes [12:53] <Pleshette> Well, he had to tell her but should have used more tact [12:53] <mishale> hermione explained it fine for me :-) [12:53] <cloudpic> I don't blame Cho! She was on a date and he says he off to meet another girl. I'd have been upset too! [12:53] <Aislinn> right, Jane, it wasn't telling her that was the problem, it was the way he went about it [12:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry doesn't see Hermione as a girl that another girl might be jealous of... she's not on the radar in that way [12:53] <JaneMarple9> it's his first girlfriend i think [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> this is the main reason why Cho and Harry would have never worked. They just did not "get" each other [12:53] <fawkes28> i think it makes us love him even more though - he is certainly not perfect [12:53] <Pleshette> I agree cloudpic [12:53] <becky920> He should have realized that outside of Gryffindor, people probably didn't realize that his relationship with Hermione was platonic [12:53] <mankark> i dont how many guys could have figured that out [12:53] <cloudpic> You're right chocolate, but Cho can't know that [12:53] <bookworm1102> did tell cho why he had to mee hermione [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Harry doesn't have enough experience with girls to understand how jealousy works in the female mind. [12:53] <Aislinn> too true, Mr M [12:53] <becky920> Very true, Mr M [12:53] <JaneMarple9> cho's nothing but a human hosepipe smile [12:53] <Hermeeownee> cho was the typical "first girlfriend" - where you make all your major mistakes... [12:54] <mankark> this isnt restricted to harry u know [12:54] <bemused> He's forgotten that Hermione is a girl... [12:54] <Pleshette> that being said Cho knew they were just friends, he and Hermione have been friends for a long time [12:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, mrmcg - hermione's got it pretty down, though smile as evidenced in HBP [12:54] <cloudpic> Hermione should have given Harry the explanation beforehand, not after the fact (but she's Ginny's friend) smile [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Pleshette [12:54] <fawkes28> he did seem to treat Cho as more of a friend here [12:54] <bookworm1102> she was also useing harry to get info about cedric [12:54] <Pleshette> Yes cloudpic she should have at least given Harry a clue [12:54] <fawkes28> i dont think it was ever meant to be [12:54] <bookworm1102> or to get over him [12:54] <MrMcGonagall> I think if Cho had been a Gryffindor, she might have understood the nature of Harry and Hermione's friendship better, but as an outsider she's naturally jealous. [12:54] <JaneMarple9> harry is just as nervous and cho [12:54] <mankark> i would have ditched anyine if they cried on a date [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> its not like Harry and Hemrione being friends was some big surprise [12:54] <MrMcGonagall> This is soooo the way things work in teenage relationships. [12:55] <fawkes28> it's natural for girls to be jealous of other girls [12:55] <JaneMarple9> but why on earth did cho mention cedric? [12:55] <cloudpic> Understandably wanting to talk to someone who could best understand her feelings about Ced. I thought she was right there too [12:55] <Pleshette> haha, so true Mr. McG [12:55] <mankark> crazy [12:55] <bemused> Because that's part of what attracts her to Harry, Jane [12:55] <fawkes28> yes, Jane - cho isnt the most experienced either [12:55] * SoonerGryffindor is so thankful she has not been a teenager in a long time [12:55] <MrMcGonagall> Breakups happen over the silliest things. [12:55] <JaneMarple9> not the sort of thing to mention on a date - a previous boyfirend! [12:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i've totally been the cho before... not really going out with a guy to get info about his friend... but when i was broken up with, I started instant messaging and getting chummy with my ex's roommate, just to get info about my ex. Now, me and my ex's roommate are friends, but when we first started talking, i just wanted info [12:55] <Hermeeownee> amen sooner!!!! [12:55] <cloudpic> I think Cho was attracted to Harry before Cedric... but he was clumsey then too. [12:55] <bemused> He was there when Cedric died - she's hoping for last words [12:55] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Jane. Cho is hardly being all that considerate of Harry's feelings. [12:55] <JaneMarple9> i'd say so too cloud [12:56] <cloudpic> I agree bemused [12:56] <bookworm1102> agreed cloud [12:56] <Pleshette> True but Harry is the only one whom she can talk to about it [12:56] <mankark> gree [12:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagree. Cho had good friends [12:56] <bemused> Yes, I think she was, cloudpic, but I also think the association with Cedric strengthened her feelings [12:56] <Pleshette> Nobody believes that Voldie killled Cedric [12:56] <becky920> it's definitely a two-way street... Cho was a little underhanded, and Harry was a little ignorant [12:56] <SoonerGryffindor> she should have talked to them [12:56] <cloudpic> I'm on Cho's side here. *sits alone in the corner* [12:56] <JaneMarple9> everybody admires harry smile especailly the girls [12:56] <JaneMarple9> there was marietta [12:56] <fawkes28> Broderick Bode had a visitor back in Chapter 22. In this Chapter, he has been cleverly murdered. What have you learned about him which would answer the question of why he was murdered? [12:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha it's okay cloudpic... i would have done exactly what she did [12:56] <bookworm1102> did she belive voldie killed cedirc? [12:56] <Pleshette> THey don't believe Harry though Sooner, how could she? [12:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe less tears [12:56] <bookworm1102> i forgot [12:56] <mankark> she was alone everytime she approached harry which suggests that she wanted to talk abt this to harry only [12:57] <cloudpic> LOL, chocolate [12:57] <JaneMarple9> marietta would have listened to cho's feelings on ced surely [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> but for Cho, all she really wanted was to talk about her feelings. A good girlfriend is what she needed, not Harry for that [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> As he was beginning to recover his faculties, I think he could have testified that he was being imperiused. [12:57] <bemused> that he worked in the DoM, that he is regaining his speech... [12:57] <Aislinn> the fact that he was possibly going to be able to give away LV's plan [12:57] <Pleshette> Harry was there although her question about him mentioning her before he died wasn't such a good idea [12:57] <fawkes28> the death eaters do not take any chances [12:57] <JaneMarple9> yes he worked in the DoM [12:57] <Aislinn> as they tried to use him to get the Prophecy [12:57] <cloudpic> Bode was going to leak information. Had to be stopped. [12:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yup, i agree with mr.mcg... if he hadn't been getting better, i don't think anyone would have bothered killing him [12:57] <fawkes28> they don't think twice about killing people [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> does everyone suspect that Lucius was behind this? [12:57] <becky920> dead men tell no tales [12:58] <bookworm1102> lol [12:58] <Spectre> Lucius, or MacNair [12:58] <mankark> lol [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> I rather do, Sooner. [12:58] <Hermeeownee> bode was going to let them know the DE plans [12:58] <becky920> Probably, sooner [12:58] <Expelliarmas> Oh, I think Lucius was an orchestrator [12:58] <bemused> I suspect Lucius is behind a lot of it [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was Lucius all the way [12:58] <Hermeeownee> Luciuos would be the prim suspect. [12:58] <bemused> the acceptable face of Death Eating [12:58] <Expelliarmas> But LV is ultimately responsible [12:58] <mankark> he was the guy incharge [12:58] <Spectre> MacNair more probably - he knows much of magical creatures, maybe he's also a good Herbologist? [12:58] <cloudpic> Lucius had access to the Ministry... right man for the job [12:58] <bookworm1102> lucious would do something like that [12:58] <becky920> We know both of them were at the scene of the crime, so to speak. [12:58] <mankark> right [12:59] <cloudpic> Voldie uses all his Death Eaters as their "talents" and access is useful [12:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> wasn't it just mailed, though? it didn't need to be a respectable face to deliver the plant [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Lucius was the one who did the Imperius curse in the first place on the day of Harry's trial. [12:59] <cloudpic> Or delivered somehow [12:59] <Hermeeownee> Lucious has pretty much the run of the Ministry, after all. [12:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> someone who knows enough about herbology [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> so it makes sense that he would be the one to complete the task [12:59] <cloudpic> Sounded like that's the likely explanation, Sooner... he had access [12:59] <becky920> Wait, are we talking about Lucius delivering the plant, or doing the Imperius? I thought we were talking about the curse [13:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i thought we were talking about the murder [13:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [13:00] <becky920> I think anybody could have had the plant sent [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I think the fact that Lucius did the curse, set the precedent for him sendng the plant [13:00] <becky920> Possibly on Lucius or Voldemort's orders [13:00] <cloudpic> The Imperius is what I had in mind. Shoot, voldie could have ordered the plant delivered [13:00] <mankark> maybe sprout did it... herbology and all [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> I think the wheezy-voiced wizard delivered the plant to the hospital. [13:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [13:00] <becky920> Voldie has 1-800-Flowers on speed dial [13:00] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast imagines voldemort calling a flower line [13:00] <bookworm1102> lol [13:00] <becky920>  [13:00] <Pleshette> LOL [13:00] <bemused> Interflora -------------------- |
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[13:00] <fawkes28> Hagrid was put on probation. Do you think it was deserved? What impact did this have on him? Do you think he discussed it with Dumbledore and possibly worked out a strategy for his probation or did he take a more fatalistic attitude?
[13:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha becky! great minds [13:01] <becky920> lol [13:01] <cloudpic> Ooo, no, mankark, Prof. Sprout isn't likely in touch with the DE's. [13:01] <mankark> yes [13:01] <Spectre> From Umbridge's point of view, it was surely deserved smile [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> It was not objectively deserved. [13:01] <becky920> Fatalistic is a good word for it. [13:01] <bookworm1102> i dont think it was deserved but DD probably had a back up plan [13:01] <mankark> i was kidding cloudpic] [13:01] <Pleshette> not deserved, no. [13:01] <Aislinn> he seemed to take a fatalistic view [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> It think he probably discussed things with DD and they both saw it coming. [13:01] <cloudpic> He's an easy target, that's sure. But it was mostly trumped up stuff... from the mouths of Draco and Co. [13:01] <becky920> It's the first time we *ever* hear Hagrid say "some things are more important than a job" when he talks about getting sacked later on [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> But there wasn't much to be done about it. [13:01] <JaneMarple9> what was the question again? smile [13:01] <Aislinn> and I don't think it was deserved this year - it might have been in the 4th year, with the Skrewt lessons [13:01] <bemused> It was pretty well inevitable once Umbridge got her claws into him [13:01] <cloudpic> And Umbridge knew her snide remarks unnerved him [13:01] <becky920> Usually things are "more'n me job's worth" [13:01] <fawkes28> i think DD just had to brush things aside like that [13:01] <Spectre> DD had Grubbly-Plank to back up for Hagrid if something goes wrong, so there wouldn't be any Ministry minions teaching CMC [13:02] <Pleshette> true Aislinn [13:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hagrid's pretty focused on Grawp right now. [13:02] <cloudpic> Hagrid's probation Jane [13:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that DD knew it was going to happen... he was really playing cleanup in this book, not preventive... i think that Dumbledore knew that Harry would react to seeing Umbridge taking over the school by uniting the houses and by becoming a leader and coming into his own [13:02] <JaneMarple9> awww very unfair [13:02] <bookworm1102> in a way umbridge would try to take out hagrid because he could give info to DD [13:02] <Hermeeownee> Given Umbridge' s dislike of "half humans" - it was likely to happen - and Hagrid new this. [13:02] <fawkes28> Hagrid cares about honoring Dumbledore - he could care less about honoring Umbridge [13:02] <JaneMarple9> just the sort of thing umbridge would do [13:02] <Aislinn> yes hermeeownee [13:02] <mankark> hagrid didnt discuss possible probation surely [13:02] <JaneMarple9> she'd been waiting for her opportunity as soon as hagrid returned [13:02] <cloudpic> She was looking to stack the staff with more Ministry spies ....the more she can empty the current staff list the more her own will be there [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I wasnt worried. How many of us really thought that Dumbledore wasnt going to be back in charge of the school by the end of the year [13:03] <JaneMarple9> thats right cloud [13:03] <fawkes28> plus Hagrid has the Order too - he has other things to do [13:03] <bookworm1102> but she had enough spys in slitherin [13:03] *** mishale has quit [Bye] [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> True, Sooner. [13:03] <Spectre> but she didn't have teacher spies [13:03] <cloudpic> That was Ginny's comment too, Sooner! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> lo [13:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she was being the ministry spy... she knew hagrid was up to something for the Order and i'm sure she wanted to know why. or had guessed why, because of Dumbledore's suggestions to Fudge at the end of GoF [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> I think she needed teachers t spy on other teachers. [13:03] <JaneMarple9> and other "people" to deal with smile [13:03] <JaneMarple9> yes Mr McG [13:04] <fawkes28> true, chocolate and i am sure she was livid when he wouldnt confide in her [13:04] <becky920> Or because Lucius told her what he was up to, chocolate [13:04] <cloudpic> Whittling away at staff [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> honestly, I've wondered who's been teaching Umbridge's classes, since she never seems to stop monitoring everyone else's. [13:04] <mankark> if only she were more subtle about electing the inquisitorial squad she could have got all the info neede [13:04] <bemused> Me too, Mr M [13:04] <cloudpic> Eventually she'd have gotten to everyone (even McG. showed her temper a bit) [13:04] <JaneMarple9> thats possible becky [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> she just has them read [13:04] <fawkes28> What did you think of Neville’s efforts in the D.A.? Did you find it alarming or encouraging? [13:04] <bookworm1102> at least she didnt try to take out mcgonagall [13:05] <Spectre> Maybe Umbridge arranged the timetables so that she could monitor? smile [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I found it awesome! [13:05] <cloudpic> She expected to take over the school... I just don't know who she was "working" for [13:05] <Pleshette> a little of both [13:05] * becky920 fangirls Neville for a minute [13:05] <bookworm1102> encouraging [13:05] <JaneMarple9> thats a interesting question Mr McG [13:05] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast joins becky [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> All she needed to do was set up a blow-up Umbridge doll in front of the class and enchat it to say, "Put away your wands and turn to chapter..." [13:05] <bemused> It was good that he had a positive channel for his feelings about the escaped DEs [13:05] <fawkes28> Neville always had in it him - he needed to find the right teacher [13:05] <becky920> It's almost as though Neville needed just that little kick to motivate him [13:05] <JaneMarple9> but umbridge only gets the kids to read [13:05] <fawkes28> and Harry was an awesome teacher for him [13:05] <cloudpic> I was completely encouraged! Shows what focus can do.... (Harry could have taken a lesson from Neville) [13:05] * JaneMarple9 fangirls neville even more! [13:05] <Aislinn> I think it is great that neville is finally coming into his own [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> For the first time, its personal for Neville and you see his dedication [13:05] <Pleshette> alarming at the sudden turn around but wonderful that he focused on what he felt he needed to do [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> I found it very encouraging. [13:05] <cloudpic> Neville's determination was touching [13:06] <mankark> cool [13:06] <JaneMarple9> yeah neville found a perfect teacher with harry [13:06] <Aislinn> clearly, the escape of his parent's torturers spurred him on [13:06] <fawkes28> when you provide the right amount of guidance for a student, they will exceed your expectations and live up to their potential [13:06] <bookworm1102> i think it was encouraging b/c he has the trio teacking him [13:06] <Pleshette> I was hoping that he was encouraged for the right reasons and not just personal revenge [13:06] <fawkes28> I think Neville wanted to please Harry too [13:06] <mankark> his achievemants made harry look and feel good [13:06] <JaneMarple9> the escaped d.e.'s gave him new determination [13:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it shows that our choices are better than our ability... his ability seemed to be substandard, but once he chose to work toward a goal, his ability matched his passion [13:06] <becky920> Exactly, Pleshette [13:06] <bookworm1102> and to get back at bella [13:06] <cloudpic> He was also faced with Harry's revealing the truth... and questioned his own silence over what DE's could and did do [13:06] <mankark> harry's motivated for revenge..partly [13:07] <becky920> Chocolate, that's brilliant -- when he chooses to apply himself, there's no stopping Neville [13:07] <JaneMarple9> yes bookworm...i think neville wants to get even with bella [13:07] * becky920 fangirls Neville again [13:07] <JaneMarple9> and who can blame him [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> imagne how you would feel if you learned that the people who murdered your family escaped from jail? [13:07] <Spectre> It's somewhat alarming to me for some reason... a Ron-ish instinct :-D [13:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nobody, jane [13:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> absolutely nobody [13:07] <cloudpic> I think Neville was feeling a little guilty [13:07] <JaneMarple9> except umbridge maybe smile [13:07] <becky920> how so, cloudpic? [13:07] <fawkes28> what do you mean, cloudpic? [13:07] <Aislinn> guilty? [13:07] <bookworm1102> he probably imagines bella as a moving target [13:07] <mankark> abt what [13:07] <Spectre> Neville was 1 year old, he couldn't possibly have saved his parents [13:08] <Expelliarmas> survivor's guilt [13:08] <Spectre> except for "pulling a Harry" [13:08] <mankark> maybe do a harry [13:08] <cloudpic> He didn't tell anyone how terrible the DE's had been to his own parents... and people especially the kids, needed to know how awful they are [13:08] <Spectre> lol mankark smile [13:08] <JaneMarple9> thats possible expie [13:08] <mankark> damn spectre [13:08] <mankark> lol [13:08] <Aislinn> it was public knowledge, cloudpic [13:08] <fawkes28> Neville is probably the best person to relate to Harry - they share a connection that way [13:08] <bemused> Maybe because Harry had stood up by writing the article and he tends to hide from the world [13:08] <Aislinn> the kids didn't know, but their parents did [13:08] <Expelliarmas> even Harry did not save his parents [13:08] <JaneMarple9> neville has never told anybody about his parents [13:08] <cloudpic> Still... he seems to stew about this especially after Harry's interview [13:08] <becky920> I don't think Neville was ashamed of his parents... I think he was sad or depressed [13:09] <JaneMarple9> he won't even mention it to the trio [13:09] <fawkes28> no one ever blamed neville [13:09] <bemused> No, becky, I thin he tries to protect his parents [13:09] <cloudpic> Not ashamed... just didn't bring it up... perhaps for fear of ridicule from the nastier sorts like Draco [13:09] <bookworm1102> his grandmother might [13:09] <Aislinn> I think he didn't want the pity that they would have shown him, if he had raised the subject earlier [13:09] <bemused> *think [13:09] <Pleshette> I also think that he was spurned on when the others saw him at St. Mungo's and his grandmother's humiliated words made him want to prove her wrong [13:09] <JaneMarple9> yes becky - he was more sad and depressed about his parents...not embrassed [13:09] <MrMcGonagall> Tacitly, the whole school knows about it after the Prophet's article on the escaped DEs. [13:09] <becky920> There's also that general rule about not talkign about mental illness -- it's a stigma [13:09] <mankark> i wouldnt want to shout out to the world that a family member of mine was insane. Not a party gag if u ask me [13:09] <fawkes28> Moving on to Chapter 26... What did you think of Hermione's assessment of Harry's date with Cho? Does Harry have a lot to learn about romance? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:09] <Pleshette> the Azkaban escape was the last straw [13:10] <cloudpic> No, you're right mankark... I understand Neville's reasons... [13:10] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Neville ever really felt as close to the Trio. They might have felt sorry for him, but I don't know they had a real friendhsip before book 5 [13:10] <Spectre> He surely has a whole lot to learn smile [13:10] <cloudpic> Ohhhhh, he surely did. [13:10] <JaneMarple9> harry has a massive amount to learn about girls! [13:10] <fawkes28> of course he does [13:10] <mankark> who doesnt to be fair? [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Once again, Hermione gets it while Ron and Harry are swimming in ignorance. [13:10] <bemused> I loved her explanation - and their reaction [13:10] <Aislinn> he has a loooong way to go [13:10] <becky920> Hermione's pretty spot-on -- it's too bad she didn't warn him ahead of time, really [13:10] <fawkes28> Harry needed that experience of messing things up with Cho [13:10] <cloudpic> And she's an only child [13:10] <Pleshette> that was fantastic! [13:10] <Spectre> and it's good that he could learn that in theory smile [13:10] <Hermeeownee> not uncommon - girls mature faster than boys!!! [13:10] <JaneMarple9> and there again...ron isn't exactly "clued up" either! [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Becky. [13:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha yes... or harry has to at least realize that his relationship with Hermione isn't seen as "just friends' fromthe outside world... krum, cho... they both thought that Harry and Hermione were a thing [13:10] <bookworm1102> harry probably learned a little [13:11] <fawkes28> you got to love the wisdom girls have over boys on the subject of romance [13:11] <mankark> maybe she thought harry had subtlety [13:11] <becky920> It makes me wonder where Hermione got the insight. Do you think she feels conflicted about Krum vs. Ron? [13:11] <cloudpic> Hermione seems to be a good observer of human nature. Has been learning from the kids at school. [13:11] <JaneMarple9> why on earth hasn't harry asked hermiones advice before? [13:11] <Hermeeownee> many of us thought that Harry and Hermione were a thing!!! [13:11] <cloudpic> Oh, what a good question, Becky! [13:11] <bookworm1102> hermione knows all [13:11] <becky920> Hey, that's why I get the big bucks. [13:11] <becky920> ;) [13:11] <JaneMarple9> very possibly becky [13:11] <cloudpic> LOL [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it's a question of wisdom, fawkes. I think girls know how girls think. [13:11] <Aislinn> there is a great essay on that in Scribbulus, becky [13:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well guys, i gotta go! have a great rest of the chat! [13:11] <fawkes28> because he has only seen her as a friend, Jane [13:11] <Pleshette> boys don't really think out the whole dating thing, while girls think about every little detail and their feeling [13:12] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast fangirls one last time [13:12] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [13:12] <JaneMarple9> we know who hermione really likes...don't we? biggrin [13:12] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:12] <becky920> Ooh, I'll have to check that out, Aislinn! [13:12] <Aislinn> bye chocolate [13:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye guys! [13:12] <becky920> bye chocolate [13:12] <cloudpic> Girls are more focused on details and feelings I guess [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> The problem is boys don't think at all when it coems to relationships. [13:12] <Spectre> bye chocolate [13:12] <Pleshette> I agree Mr. McG, it's not a Hermione thing it's more of a girl thing [13:12] * cloudpic waves goodbye to chocolate [13:12] <JaneMarple9> i'd say so cloud yes [13:12] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [13:12] <mankark> i think... Now hermione likes ron but she is confused as she has pladged her alliegance to harry's cause and therefore doesnt want to distract anybody with romanace. then she is confused abt krum. Man i sound like hermione [13:12] <Pleshette> Bye chocolate [13:12] <cloudpic> (the person not the food!) [13:12] <JaneMarple9> smile [13:12] <mankark> pledged [13:13] <fawkes28> Snape talks about "The Dark Lord". Why so? He could go for the "neutral" You-Know-Who. Is he acting for the possible peak Voldemort might take through Harry's eyes? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:13] <JaneMarple9> he may be frightened of using the real name [13:13] <Expelliarmas> I think he's always referred to LV as the Dark Lord [13:13] <fawkes28> i think it is just natural for snape to call him the dark lord [13:13] <Hermeeownee> A carry over from his [13:13] <Hermeeownee> DE days? [13:13] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't want to show harry he is communicating with voldie [13:13] <becky920> That's a great question [13:13] <bookworm1102> i dont understand the question [13:13] <Pleshette> I don't think of Snape as being so frightened that he wouldn't use his name [13:13] <cloudpic> I think he prefers to use Dark Lord so Harry is properly intimidated by Voldie's powers and prepares properly [13:14] <bemused> I wonder if there's actually some power in invoking the name - fromt he way he clutches at his Dark MArk in a previous chapter [13:14] *** padfoot27 has joined #lounge [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. When you're a double agent spending time around Voldemort, you're not going to use You-Know-Who. [13:14] <Aislinn> I think it is what he is used to calling his master [13:14] <JaneMarple9> yes cloud thats possible [13:14] <mankark> NO ITS FEAR!! [13:14] <fawkes28> snape does not come off as overly paranoid - i do not think he would have thought about which name he calls him [13:14] <Pleshette> hmm, that could be becky [13:14] <becky920> In theory, Voldemort could be spying on them -- it's a risk he can't afford to take since Harry's not good at occlumency [13:14] <mankark> respect [13:14] <cloudpic> He's trying to teach Harry how dangerous things are.... Harry has survived Voldie and could become complacent [13:14] <Aislinn> no capslock please, mankark [13:14] <bemused> it would help to explain why all but a select few react so strongly to it [13:14] <JaneMarple9> yes becky [13:14] <fawkes28> yes, but Snape could just as easily say he was calling him you-know-who to throw people off [13:14] <mankark> like caliing proffesor [13:14] <JaneMarple9> snape knew that voldie controlled harry sometimes [13:15] <fawkes28> it really would not have been suspicious in my opinion [13:15] <mankark> the trio call mCg by her 1st name among thmselves [13:15] <becky920> But then again... maybe it's a habit [13:15] <mankark> its a sign of respect [13:15] <Expelliarmas> interesting that the only people who use "Dark Lord" are DEs [13:15] <becky920> It goes back again to that question of who's side he's on [13:15] <Aislinn> that's true, fawkes - he is supposed to be acting DD's loyal man when in Hogwarts [13:15] <Pleshette> exactly Expie [13:15] *** padfoot27 has quit [Bye] [13:15] <fawkes28> i wonder if he refers to him as the dark lord with dumbledore [13:15] <Spectre> Snape always showed his reverence towards everything Dark Arts-related - remember his DADA lessons [13:15] <Aislinn> if anything, LV would not want him to raise suspicions [13:15] <bemused> but then it doesn't help decide which side he's on, you can argue it both ways [13:15] <Hermeeownee> gotta go - bye guys. [13:15] <bookworm1102> that should be a hint of which side ges on expe [13:15] <cloudpic> I think Harry needs reminding that he should be working harder... and that Voldemort is to be feared [13:16] <Spectre> bye hermee [13:16] <cloudpic> bye, Hermeeownee [13:16] <Pleshette> Bye Hermeeownee [13:16] <bemused> I still think there's power in the name [13:16] <bookworm1102> bye [13:16] *** Hermeeownee left #lounge [] [13:16] <becky920> gotta run guys -- sorry! [13:16] *** becky920 has quit [Bye] [13:16] <mankark> u know how u call ur old teachers , professor or sir. its the same thing here. [13:16] <fawkes28> bye becky [13:16] <bemused> bye, becky [13:16] <mankark> snape reveres voldie [13:16] <Expelliarmas> If you fear to use the name, that gives the name power [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, but people at Hogwarts are going to be more trusting than LV and the DEs. [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> They're naturally less suspicious. [13:16] <Aislinn> you think that calling him Dark Lord would do that, cloudpic? [13:16] <Aislinn> I don't [13:17] <Pleshette> I'm a big believer in the power of naming or not naming someone and the fear it invokes bemused [13:17] <bemused> it's just, it seems to make Snape look so vulnerable [13:17] <cloudpic> I think something has to jolt Harry into being proactive rather than simply reactive [13:17] <fawkes28> of course, Mr. M - the DE live their lives in secret - it's a horrible life to live [13:17] <mankark> Gotta go guys. Next Saturday then [13:17] <Spectre> bye mankark [13:17] <fawkes28> bye mankark [13:17] <bookworm1102> bye [13:17] <Expelliarmas> bye mankark [13:17] <cloudpic> The Occulemncy was meant to be proactive defense...something Harry hasn't learned yet [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> Better to make a slip in front of your fellow Order members than to make a slip in front of a DE. [13:17] <Aislinn> but if it is LV's perception he is worried about, Mr M, you would think he would be playing his assigned role [13:17] *** mankark has quit [Bye] [13:18] <fawkes28> Snape will do whatever it takes to keep up appearances sake [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> I think even Snape is affected by force of habit. [13:18] <bookworm1102> agreed fawkes [13:18] <fawkes28> Do you think we will learn any more about the memories that we glimpse in Snape’s mind? (Chamber 29) [13:18] <Aislinn> that seems a big slip to me though [13:18] <bookworm1102> yes [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I am not sure how we would learn them [13:18] <bookworm1102> just to prove sides [13:19] <bemused> Maybe - 'cos at the moment they don't mean very much [13:19] <fawkes28> i think we will learn a great deal more about Snape [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think we will. I think those particular memories have served their purpose in the story. [13:19] <cloudpic> I hope so.. I was intrigued [13:19] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:19] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:19] <fawkes28> perhaps we will learn about his memories from another person [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> We will learn much more about Snape's past. [13:19] <cloudpic> Alas, you may be right, Mr.McG [13:19] <fawkes28> perhaps his mother [13:19] <Spectre> The extended version of SWM? biggrin [13:19] <bemused> If he's on the good side, I think we will - if he isn't, I think we know all we need to know [13:19] <Pleshette> ooo that's interesting fawkes [13:19] * SoonerGryffindor is thinking about how we get to see flashbacks on LOST and thinking it would be cool to see a Snape flashback [13:19] <bookworm1102> or his father [13:20] <fawkes28> it's hard to learn more about SWM with three of the main people dead [13:20] <cloudpic> Whyever would a witch fear a Muggle? [13:20] <bemused> But Snape isn't dead, fawkes [13:20] <Pleshette> I definitely think we'll learn more about their relationships with each other [13:20] <fawkes28> i would love to see a scene from his perspective, but i doubt if Jo would do that [13:20] <cloudpic> Hope so. [13:20] <fawkes28> Harry needs to learn the information - not us [13:20] <Spectre> Merope Gaunt married Tom Riddle, so it's not impossible... smile [13:21] <bemused> There are all sorts of ways in which we (and Harry) could find out more [13:21] <cloudpic> True, Spectre... her fears were of rejection, I guess. [13:21] <Expelliarmas> Merope tricked Tom into marriage [13:21] *** Dumbles4ever has joined #lounge [13:21] <Spectre> the question was "why would witch marry a Muggle"... physical attraction? biggrin [13:21] <fawkes28> hello Dumbles4ever [13:21] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Mrs. Snape did that to Mr. Snape [13:21] <Spectre> hi Dumbles [13:21] * cloudpic pictures Snape and Harry having a revealing conversation over some firewhiskey [13:21] <Dumbles4ever> hey guys! [13:21] <bookworm1102> hi [13:22] <Dumbles4ever> havent been on the LL in ages! [13:22] <bemused> (I think Mrs Snape is hiding in the library...) [13:22] <cloudpic> No... but why would Mrs. Snape cower in front of Muggle Mr. Snape? [13:22] <fawkes28> How and why was Harry able to so effectively invade Snape’s mind? If ever there was a guarded mind, it would be Snape’s....and yet Harry now, more than ever, is able to break the barriers. Why? (Chamber 007). [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> If she loved him, she'd probably restrain herself from using magic against him. Even if he's completely horrid. [13:22] <Dumbles4ever> I never thought about [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its because of what Snape saw in Harry;s mind [13:23] <cloudpic> Was he taken by surprise? After all, Harry has managed to beat Voldie... and that's not likely either [13:23] <Dumbles4ever> Mme Pince being Snapes mom until it was brought up on PotterCast. [13:23] <bookworm1102> b/c harry is so powerful maybe [13:23] <bemused> Harry is more powerful than he realises [13:23] <Pleshette> Snape underestimates Harry's ability too [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> there was a connection opened up bewwen them [13:23] <fawkes28> I think Snape is most unfocused when he is near Harry - Harry causes his emotions to come out [13:23] <fawkes28> how so, sooner? [13:23] <bookworm1102> agree [13:23] <bemused> and they are very strongly connected - they have always been [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> I think legilimency opens a connection between the two minds. One controls it, but when Harry resisted, the current momentarily reversed. [13:23] <Spectre> A bit of Voldemort's intervention? [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Snape saw things that hit close to home [13:23] <cloudpic> Oh, that's likely a big part of it fawkesd [13:23] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner [13:24] <cloudpic> Like the light between the wands, Mr. McG [13:24] <JaneMarple9> both harry and snape had a insight into their memories [13:24] <JaneMarple9> they realised that they'd both had it hard [13:24] <Dumbles4ever> Thats a ggod point [13:24] <cloudpic> True, Jane [13:24] <Aislinn> that's a great point fawkes [13:24] <fawkes28> I also think Harry does better with legilimency as opposed to occlumency [13:24] <bookworm1102> they have alot in common [13:25] <cloudpic> Neither is ready to admit the other has an "excuse" for the things each doesn't like [13:25] <JaneMarple9> perhaps the only time i ever felt sorry for snape [13:25] <bookworm1102> me too [13:25] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes [13:25] <Dumbles4ever> Remeber in occulemency when Snape saw Harry and Cho kiss? How embarasing, But links to Janes point [13:25] * cloudpic has felt sorry for Snape often.... [13:25] <fawkes28> Harry is a powerful wizard and has a lot more control as a legilimens [13:25] <bemused> me too, Cloudpic [13:25] <Spectre> Legilimency would do him good if he becomes an Auror [13:25] <Dumbles4ever> i dont feel sorry for snape at all [13:25] <cloudpic> Harry always seems to surprise himself and the others [13:26] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes. but snape could have he;lped him become better [13:26] <fawkes28> plus, he may have had more success with someone else - harry cannot completely forget about everything with a man he does not trust in the room [13:26] <Aislinn> test [13:26] <fawkes28> i don't think could have helped him become better - the two of them will never let their guard down around each other [13:26] <fawkes28> we see you, Aislinn [13:26] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:26] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:26] <cloudpic> Why would Dumbledore set them both up this way....maybe he hoped that they'd learn more about each other and achieve a better understanding [13:27] *** Dumbles4ever left #lounge [] [13:27] <fawkes28> i think Dumbldore thought he could do some good and bridge a positive connection between the two [13:27] <bemused> I hoped they would too, cloudpic, so I can't blame DD if that's what he hoped for [13:27] <Pleshette> it was clearly a mistake, DD admits as much later on [13:27] <fawkes28> In a related question, discuss Snape’s comment of “yes, Potter.....that is my job.....” to Harry’s accusation that it is Snape’s job to find out “what the Dark Lord is saying to his Death Eaters”. [13:28] <cloudpic> He always hopes for detente... between Harry and Snape, between Snape and Sirius... poor Albus [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that exchange [13:28] <fawkes28> you know - Harry's instincts are pretty much spot on [13:28] <bookworm1102> agree [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Well, what you see is what you get. That's his job. [13:28] <bemused> Well, snape is always very sensitive about his role, his importance - I think it gets to him that Harry is 'interfering' in his unique sphere of influence [13:28] <cloudpic> Harry doesn't seem to Snape to comprehend just how dangerous Snape's job is. Again, he thinks Harry underestimates Voldie [13:29] <bemused> and maybe he thinks Harry might be a danger to him... [13:29] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [13:29] <bookworm1102> i think that is b/c snape never really belives in harry cloud [13:29] <Spectre> hi Mafalda [13:29] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [13:29] <Aislinn> it is interesting that he so readily admitted to this with Harry [13:30] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a lot of it is that Snape feels he is better for the task than Harry and wants Harry to know this [13:30] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys. [13:30] <bemused> It strikes me that Snape is actually more open with Harry about what's going on than any other adult character [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> The only time he doesn't make snide comments to Harry is when Harry does, in fact, hit the nail on the head. [13:30] <cloudpic> I wonder how much Snape and Dumbledore had discussed the potential invasion of Harry and danger to Dumbledore that Dumbledore suspected? [13:30] <Aislinn> I think you're probably right, Sooner [13:30] <cloudpic> He certainly doesn't "sugarcoat" bemused [13:31] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:31] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:31] <Pleshette> and that it's not as simple as just spying -------------------- |
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[13:31] <fawkes28> Here are the memories Harry saw in Snape’s past: the dark haired boy crying; zapping flies in the bedroom; mounting a bucking broom. What kind of significance could they have to the storyline, or to Snape’s character development. (Chamber 007).
[13:32] <MrMcGonagall> We're all dying to know what makes Snape tick! [13:32] <fawkes28> i think that these scenes have swayed people's opinions about snape [13:32] <JaneMarple9> are we Mr McG? smile [13:32] <fawkes28> and made them feel sorry for him [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> It makes him more human [13:32] <bemused> Unhappy childhood; bored; lonely; very bad at sport and not good with girls [13:32] <cloudpic> And this gives us just tiny glimpses so we can create our own Snape [13:32] <bookworm1102> that it sounds like he and Harry have more in common then anyone ever thought [13:32] <Pleshette> loneliness [13:32] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:32] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:32] <JaneMarple9> not one bit bothered about him myself biggrin [13:32] <Pleshette> not fitting in with others [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we see Harry and Snape connect on a level that was both unexpected and important [13:32] <fawkes28> it does show us that he has human in him, which is definitely not true about voldemort [13:33] <Spectre> Hm... Snape was doing illegal magic at home? [13:33] <JaneMarple9> snape had a tough upbringing [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> I'd love to see Rita Skeeter do an interview with Snape like she did with Harry in GoF. LOL [13:33] <cloudpic> Taking the glimpses one way... he certainly is an outsider and lonely [13:33] <cloudpic> Or in his room at school? [13:33] <MafaldaWeasley> according to sirius snape was very good on DA before getting into Hogwarts [13:33] <JaneMarple9> yes thats a point spectre - he was doing unauthorised magic at home [13:33] <bemused> The Weasley twins do magic at home, Spectre [13:33] <cloudpic> LOL... Rita, her green quill and Severus! [13:33] <Aislinn> ooh, Mr M, that would be fascinating! [13:33] <Spectre> There's a lot of Weasleys in the Burrow... [13:33] <cloudpic> Wonderful Mr. McG. [13:33] <JaneMarple9> perhaps it is more strict in the muggle world [13:33] <bookworm1102> in a way seeing as they do have somethng in coomon makes you wonder if harry might turn out like snape down the line in some twisted way [13:34] <JaneMarple9> not to do it [13:34] <Expelliarmas> a better interview would be Rita and LV, but that could go badly for Rita [13:34] <Pleshette> I have to run. great chat. [13:34] <fawkes28> i think that Jo wrote these scenes for Harry - because I think Harry is going to have to forgive Snape - and this was one thing that may make harry feel some pity towards snape [13:34] <Spectre> and in Tobias' home, there's only Eileen [13:34] <Expelliarmas> bye, Pleshette [13:34] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:34] <fawkes28> bye pleshette [13:34] <bemused> Yes, Expie - I don't think sh'ed fancy that one!!! [13:34] <cloudpic> Could have been in school. But he had learned Dark Arts on his own at home, evidently. Or from someone at home?? [13:34] <Aislinn> "how do you feel being the most despised man in the wizarding world? Depressed, betrayed, abandoned?" [13:34] <cloudpic> hummmm. Spectre, interesting [13:35] <JaneMarple9> biggrin Aislinn [13:35] <Expelliarmas> homicidal, maniacal, murderous? [13:35] <Aislinn> lol [13:35] <bookworm1102> lol [13:35] <JaneMarple9> I can see that with snape and rita! [13:35] <Spectre> did he ever receive a letter from Department of Underage Magic use? [13:35] <cloudpic> hurt? misunderstoood? sacrificed? [13:35] <bookworm1102> for what [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> he was living in a wizarding home [13:35] <fawkes28> yes, i doubt it [13:35] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, I don't think he did [13:36] <fawkes28> Umbridge attempts to curtail the Quibbler article talk by threatening expulsion to anyone found in possession of the article. It must have realized that by banning the story with such fervor, that it would only be adding legitimacy to it. Why do you think it made this choice? (Chamber 007). [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well his mother was a witch, so it would have been presumed she was controlling him. [13:36] <cloudpic> Stupid woman. Understands people less than young Hermione. [13:36] <bemused> Umbridge is not very wise [13:36] <Spectre> Referring to Umbridge as "it"... great biggrin [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we already know that Umbridge has no concept of how a school works. [13:37] <bookworm1102> she thinks she knows all [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> The Toad. [13:37] <Spectre> A totally totalitarian (tauthology? biggrin) choice smile [13:37] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Umbridge thinks she can control the world just by law, but well, we know it's not like that [13:37] <bookworm1102> im suprised that she wasnt fired from the MoM [13:37] <cloudpic> But foolish choice too, as it had a predictably opposite effect [13:37] <JaneMarple9> yes bookworm [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> This always reminds me of Laura Mallory [13:38] <bookworm1102> lol [13:38] <JaneMarple9> but they wanted their spy in hogwarts [13:38] <bemused> Who? [13:38] <cloudpic> Fudge isn't too bright either, though....and she wouldn't have reported it honestly to him, bookworm [13:38] <cloudpic> Yes, Jane [13:38] <Aislinn> I don't think that she is able to think about things that way [13:38] <bookworm1102> i ment when fudge got fired they should have fired her too [13:38] <Aislinn> she was too busy trying to exert her control, and does not well understand the psychology of her actions [13:38] <cloudpic> Because she doesn't understand human nature? or underestimates others? [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> Any publicity is good publicity. [13:38] <Spectre> as far as I remember, Fudge wasn't exactly "fired", but remained as a "consultant" of some sort [13:39] <cloudpic> Wrong focus, I see [13:39] <Aislinn> right cloudpic [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how Jo subtley gives that message. Go ahead and try to ban.... it will only make people want to read it more [13:39] <bemused> I have the impression she's led a very sheltered existence - probably went straight from shcool to the Minsitry [13:39] <bookworm1102> in my mind fudge was fired [13:39] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, that's an excellent point [13:39] <fawkes28> me too, sooner [13:39] <bookworm1102> agreed sooner [13:39] <JaneMarple9> yes [13:39] <fawkes28> when you tell people no - it only makes them want to do it [13:39] <cloudpic> We've mentioned "focus" here several times... Neville's, Harry's lack and now Umbridge ;) [13:40] <Spectre> "Sweet is the forbidden fruit" smile [13:40] <JaneMarple9> i see what you mean about laura mallory now sooner [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:40] <bemused> who? [13:40] <MafaldaWeasley> the woman who wnats HP books away from the lybrary [13:40] <JaneMarple9> a woman who tries to banner the potter book...silly woman biggrin [13:40] <bemused> Oh - thanks MafaldaW - never heard of her..... [13:40] *** BookMasterJMV has joined #lounge [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> the woman who is fruitlessly taking her case to the supreme court [13:41] <bemused> What???? [13:41] <JaneMarple9> a real Muggle smile [13:41] <fawkes28> hello BookMasterJMV [13:41] <BookMasterJMV> Howdy there. [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> she wants HP banned from all schools [13:41] <Expelliarmas> she won't get to the US Supreme Court [13:41] <bookworm1102> though shell try [13:41] <bemused> I should hope they've better things to do [13:41] <MafaldaWeasley> no problem Bemuse...she says the are evil and all the jazz [13:41] <BookMasterJMV> Is there a specific discussion going on? I had a theory idea and wanted to bounce it off some other folks before making a big post... [13:41] <fawkes28> Now with the Quibbler being such an unusual – as Hermione calls it – magazine, why is the interview such a success in convincing many of the truth? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:41] <Spectre> interesting... were the Quibblers just hidden from the public view, or the story was passed by mouth after the ban? [13:41] <fawkes28> yes, bookmaster - we have specific questions smile [13:42] <BookMasterJMV> Okay. smile [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> It's a story everyone is dying to hear. [13:42] <Aislinn> people are starting to look for answers [13:42] <cloudpic> They did hide their copies with magaic, Spectre [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> The timing is perfect. [13:42] <JaneMarple9> yes Mr McG [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> because the truth is usually more believable [13:42] <bookworm1102> agreed mrmcg [13:42] <bemused> Presumably people were hungry for something the official view wasn't giving htem [13:42] <fawkes28> it was a well-written article without any hint of a scandal and people recognize that [13:42] <bemused> and they know Rita's name [13:42] *** BookMasterJMV has quit [Bye] [13:42] <cloudpic> Everyone is becoming suspicious of the official word now that genuine fear is undeniable [13:42] <fawkes28> it does go to show that at the end of the day, people just want to hear the truth [13:43] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, aislinn, everybody can notice when something is wrong and when they see the press is 'killin' somebody, so they get hungry for an official explanation [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> yes, fawkes. It had an air of legitimacy, and it put the pieces together. [13:43] <bookworm1102> that s what i was going to say bemused [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it also goes to show that you can only get by on lies for so long. [13:43] <Spectre> Rita's name played some role... if a reporter of such calibre agreed to work for Quibbler rather than DP to print that interview... [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the lies become less and less plausible. [13:44] <Spectre> it also added some credibility I think [13:44] <cloudpic> Oh, good point Spectre... they'd probably been wondering what had happened to her [13:44] <JaneMarple9> yes rita has a reputation [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> And it's evident that the Ministry is working overtime to cover their butts. [13:44] <bookworm1102> no one would belive the DP any more even if they told the truth [13:44] <bemused> I suspect the fact of her writing for the Quibbler - whatever we think of her - would have drawn an audience [13:44] <Spectre> yes bemused [13:45] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:45] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:45] <Spectre> The fact that the sensation seeker actually agreed for lower sales... [13:45] * cloudpic admits I'd likely have read Rita's work before then... *hangs head in shame* [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...view=getnewpost [13:46] <fawkes28> Why does Umbridge continue to insist that Harry is lying? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:46] <cloudpic> I wonder if any readers noticed the difference in Rita's tone in that article. [13:46] <cloudpic> It's the "Party Line" [13:46] <MafaldaWeasley> because she's crazy and in denial [13:46] <bookworm1102> because she doesnt live in reality [13:46] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:46] <fawkes28> i think in he sick and twisted mind, she may actually want to believe it [13:46] <Spectre> What else could she do? [13:46] <fawkes28> yes, bookworm [13:46] <cloudpic> She'd have to admit she was wrong. [13:47] <Expelliarmas> The Toad can't help it [13:47] <Spectre> Totally Percy-ish [13:47] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:47] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:47] <bemused> I doubt if she's capable of admitting she's wrong - or even recognising it [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Nothing has changed from Umbridge's viewpoint. [13:47] <fawkes28> she didnt need to be that nasty though - that was her choice [13:47] <cloudpic> And everything up to that point was her mistake... [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> All Harry has done is told the lie to a bigger audience. [13:47] <fawkes28> that woman has a nasty temper [13:47] <fawkes28> she needs to learn to control her emotions [13:47] <bookworm1102> she wants to blame everyone but herself for her mistakes [13:47] <Spectre> Reminds me in a way of dealing with dissidents in USSR [13:48] <Aislinn> right, Mr M, she still chooses to believe that harry is lying [13:48] <Spectre> any interviews in foreign papers were presented as lies [13:48] <bookworm1102> and harry became a target because he stood up to her [13:48] <cloudpic> Harry was the key.... he'd seen Voldemort's return in person. [13:49] <cloudpic> And that just couldn't be. Or... what? Why not at least investigate, I wonder? [13:49] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:49] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:49] <fawkes28> Sturgis being found trying to break through a door. Discuss the possibility that he was detected by Nagini (if you’ll recall, the snake could see Arthur despite his being under an Invisibility Cloak) and how it might be possible for Voldemort to use Nagini as his spy in the MoM. (Chamber 007). [13:49] <cloudpic> I really thought Fudge and Umbridge and co. were in league with Voldie on my first reading (have since changed my mind) [13:49] <bemused> Because to investigate would be to admit the possibility [13:50] <Spectre> Nagini could have easily been used as a spy, living in MacNair's office, for instance [13:50] <cloudpic> That's an awfully big snake to use as a sneaksie spy... [13:50] <bookworm1102> alright guys i gotta go ill see ya next time [13:50] <cloudpic> bye, bookworm! [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Nagini would be a very good spy. She could only be out in the middle of the night. [13:50] <fawkes28> snakes are slippery and sneaky - i think she easily went undetected [13:50] <MafaldaWeasley> the snake might have sensed arthur instead of seeing him...snakes are deaf but have a good nose. [13:50] <fawkes28> bye bookworm [13:50] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [13:51] <cloudpic> But it's a realllly big snake [13:51] <fawkes28> still, ministry people arent the most observant of the lot [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Nagini couldn't have put the Imperius on Podmore. [13:51] <bemused> plumbing? Wizards seem to have really big water pipes.... [13:51] <cloudpic> They need a cat at the ministry if Nagini could sneak around. [13:51] <Aislinn> lol bemused [13:51] <MafaldaWeasley> and she's magical...remember that MsNorris couls smell harry [13:51] <MafaldaWeasley> yes cloudpic [13:51] <cloudpic> Yeah... I think it's Lucius, Lucius, Lucius inside the Ministry [13:52] *** penguin1124 has joined #lounge [13:52] <fawkes28> Do you think it was a good thing for Dumbledore to ask Firenze to teach at Hogwarts? Presumably, Dumbledore understood what that would cost him... (Chamber 88) [13:52] <Spectre> Imperius... couldn't it be the Imperius specialist, Mulciber? [13:52] <fawkes28> hello penguin1124 [13:52] <penguin1124> hello [13:52] <fawkes28> yes, i do not see any reason why dumbledore should not have allowed him to teach [13:52] <Spectre> Dumbledore was sort of desperate at the time, I think [13:52] <MafaldaWeasley> I think DD wanted somebody else pay atetntion to the signs, someone more trusty than trelawney. [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he's not a bad divination teacher, and he was close at hand. [13:53] <penguin1124> yeah [13:53] <bemused> Yes - he must have know the crisis would come when Umbridge decided to sack a teacher [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD was dead set on not allowing Umbridge to fill the post. [13:53] <fawkes28> i think he is better than trelwaney [13:53] <cloudpic> It was the only thing he could do to prevent another spy [13:53] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:53] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:53] <Spectre> He probably wanted to block some Ministry minion by any means [13:53] <bemused> and he chose one she really wouldn't like [13:53] <penguin1124> yeah [13:53] <fawkes28> yes, Mr. M [13:54] <cloudpic> I feel bad for Firenze... he has come to Dumbledore's rescue at his own expense. Albus inspires sacrifice [13:54] <fawkes28> i do think he would have considered hiring him under normal circumstance, because that is how DD rolls wink [13:54] <Aislinn> yes he does, cloudpic [13:54] <penguin1124> yes [13:54] <bemused> I must go - bye everyone! [13:54] <penguin1124> bye [13:54] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:54] <cloudpic> It's important to Dumbledore to have Magical Beings come together [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think DD understood the sacrifice on Firenze's part, but I'm also sure that he left the decision up to Frienze. [13:54] <MafaldaWeasley> Firenze chosed his won way. He made a choice when he helped harry on the first book [13:54] <penguin1124> yeah and make sure voldemort doesn't get hem on his side [13:55] <Spectre> also... I think it was the only way to make Trelawney stay in the castle [13:55] <penguin1124> that is true, but it could have stopped there [13:55] <cloudpic> Unity has been Dumbledore's goal since before Book 1... bringing other beings into Hogwarts is a natural step [13:55] <penguin1124> yeah and the sorting hat also told people to unite [13:55] <fawkes28> Should Harry be doing a better job of clearing his mind before he goes to bed? Do you see any missed opportunities for Occlumency practice? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:56] <cloudpic> Helps the students understand what's needed... and prevents that knee jerk prejudice and fear of the unknown. [13:56] <cloudpic> Yes. [13:56] <cloudpic> That was Harry's choice and he blew it. [13:56] <fawkes28> i think it would have been extremely hard for him to do [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> I'm really not sure how much clearing your mind before bed really helps. It's not like that will prevent you from dreaming. [13:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cp [13:56] <fawkes28> the boy has so much on his mind [13:57] <penguin1124> that is tru [13:57] <cloudpic> He always used Ron and Hermione before... and didn't this time. [13:57] <penguin1124> e [13:57] <Expelliarmas> I think it goes against Harry's inate nature to close his mind [13:57] <fawkes28> i don't think it is a weakness either [13:57] <penguin1124> it isn't [13:57] * JaneMarple9 prepares for the saturday hugs! [13:57] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it shows he's stubborn hehehe [13:57] <cloudpic> But, Mr. McG. That's evidently what's needed... keeping the mind less weakened by emotional turmoil [13:57] <fawkes28> it is important for him to be open with his emotions - it will bring about voldemort's downfall [13:57] <penguin1124> yeah [13:57] <penguin1124> love is the the dark lord knows not [13:57] <penguin1124> the power [13:58] <cloudpic> Not just open, though, Harry needs to be conscious of his emotions so he can tap into them properly [13:58] <cloudpic> rather than be used or controlled by them entirely. [13:58] <fawkes28> but he learns as he goes along [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Ok, peeps, we'll see y'all tomorrow! [13:58] <fawkes28> the lessons with snape did not help him at all [13:59] <cloudpic> He had his parents' help in the graveyard.... but will need to stand alone [13:59] <Spectre> bye all smile [13:59] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [13:59] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone [13:59] <cloudpic> ((((((hugs)))))) to one and all!! [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, everyone! Thanks for coming and chatting! [13:59] <fawkes28> yes, cloudpic and he will be ready for that [13:59] <JaneMarple9> ((((cloud)))) a extra one! [13:59] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [13:59] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:59] * cloudpic leaves a pile of chocolate [13:59] <penguin1124> i mean he is now alone most of all [13:59] <fawkes28> bye everyone - thanks for coming smile [14:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:00] <fawkes28> time to close up the booth [14:00] *** MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [14:00] <penguin1124> c ya [14:00] *** penguin1124 left #lounge [] [14:01] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] -------------------- |
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