RG Chat Transcript 6/23/07, OotP Ch. 31-32 |
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Expelliarmas futureweasley Mr. McGonagall RG Chat - Order of the Phoenix Chapters 31-32 [11:56] *** HPFanatic has joined #lounge [11:57] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, HPFanatic! [11:57] <HPFanatic> hey guys [11:57] <HPFanatic> are we the only ones here [11:57] <MrMcGonagall> Actually just you and me at the moment. [11:57] <MrMcGonagall> Snuffles is our server. [11:57] <HPFanatic> oops [11:57] <MrMcGonagall> Hopefully he'll be behaving himself today. [11:57] <HPFanatic> lollll [11:57] <MrMcGonagall> !botsnack [11:57] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [11:58] <HPFanatic> its funny..... [11:58] <HPFanatic> lollll [11:58] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [11:58] <HPFanatic> oh there we go [11:58] <bookworm1102> hey kids [11:58] <HPFanatic> hi bookworm1102 [11:58] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [11:58] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [11:58] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, bookworm and puzzle! [11:58] <MrMcGonagall> And Ringo! [11:58] <HPFanatic> hey all [11:58] <HPFanatic> smile [11:58] <Ringo2000> Hi MrMcGonagall! [11:59] <Puzzlepiece> hello! [11:59] <bookworm1102> hi mr. mcg [11:59] <Puzzlepiece> last chat unless I make it on tomorrow [11:59] <Ringo2000> Hey Puzzlepiece, Hi Bookworm [11:59] <MrMcGonagall> Why the last chat, puzzle? [11:59] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [11:59] <bookworm1102> hey Ringo [11:59] <Puzzlepiece> gone for the summer [11:59] <MrMcGonagall> Future!! [11:59] <HPFanatic> oh gone for the summer [11:59] <HPFanatic> cool [11:59] <Ringo2000> Hey Furutre! [11:59] <HPFanatic> i wish i could do that [11:59] <HPFanatic> hey future [11:59] <Ringo2000> **Future [12:00] <futureweasley> hi everyone! [12:00] <HPFanatic> heyo! [12:01] * Ringo2000 conjours a pillow and a mug of hot chocolate and a copy of OotP [12:01] <bookworm1102> hey future [12:01] <MrMcGonagall> I spent the morning unpacking books from moving. I need to buy a couple additional bookshelves, I think. [12:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:02] <futureweasley> ahhh, I am thinking evian and a fresh greens salad with balsamic vinegarette [12:02] <Ringo2000> Hahaha--are you a bibliophile? [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> Yes. Half of my worldly possessions are books. [12:02] <Puzzlepiece> lol [12:02] <Ringo2000> lol [12:02] <JaneMarple9> ((((Corner Boothers))))) [12:02] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [12:02] <HPFanatic> lol [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [12:02] <Ringo2000> Hey Jane! [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> And NYB! [12:02] <bookworm1102> yea i ran out of book space in my room so i am having to store them in boxes now [12:02] <futureweasley> welcome new joiners! [12:02] <HPFanatic> hi jane and NYB [12:02] <Puzzlepiece> I just spent a blissful half hour in a bookstore trying to figure out how to spend my meager earnings [12:03] <futureweasley> lol Puzzle...I do that all the time. [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> My mom just sent me the Horatio Hornblower series to begin reading. [12:03] <HPFanatic> lol...i do go to the bookstore but i usually end up not buying cause its so expensive...i go to the library and then get fined for returning it late [12:03] <Puzzlepiece> lol. Problem is, little money for all of summer reading [12:03] <futureweasley> when I get a gift certificate to the local bookstore here, it's like I received a precious gem or a hunk of gold [12:03] <Ringo2000> Oooh, Never heard of them MrMcG [12:03] <futureweasley> it's the best gift [12:03] <Puzzlepiece> birthday money saved up! [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think I'm going to get a complete re-read of HP done before DH, but I may get to re-read HBP at least. [12:04] <bookworm1102> im rereading HBP right now [12:04] <Puzzlepiece> Ive done parts of each. I think a month ago I did POA and SS and OOTP [12:04] <Ringo2000> I am on the end of GoF [12:04] <JaneMarple9> I just love Vouchurs for my favourite bookstore [12:04] <Puzzlepiece> I have HBP on my bedside table which says nothing [12:04] <Ringo2000> but I wizz through books... [12:04] <HPFanatic> so do i [12:04] <JaneMarple9> i'm so easy to buy for - vouchurs, chocolates or jigsaws! [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Fortunately the RG has gotten me through OotP, which is the biggest hurdle. There should be just enough time between the end of the RGs and DH to get HBP re-read. [12:05] <futureweasley> and, once you OWN a book, it's yours. You can revisit and revisit whenever you need to "escape", or need a change of pace [12:05] <JaneMarple9> i'm a quarter the way through OoTP, and going to finish HBP the day before DH is released [12:05] <futureweasley> that's why I prefer owning rather than renting from the library [12:05] <JaneMarple9> couldn't time that any better laugh [12:06] <HPFanatic> thats true [12:06] <futureweasley> no, Jane..you couldn't have [12:06] <Puzzlepiece> future, same [12:06] <futureweasley> you did VERY well [12:06] <Puzzlepiece> the books I boughtmy best friend has. But she would never get them back if they were lent to me [12:06] *** atschpe has joined #lounge [12:06] <Ringo2000> so...have we all pre orded Deathly Hallows? [12:06] <HPFanatic> yep [12:06] <Puzzlepiece> welcome atschpe [12:06] <Puzzlepiece> yup [12:06] <futureweasley> actually, I haven't [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't pre-order, but I'm not worried about getting a copy. [12:06] <JaneMarple9> my was pre-ordered in february with the audio book! [12:06] <Puzzlepiece>  [12:07] <bookworm1102> i have had mine preordered since January [12:07] <atschpe> Hello there! [12:07] <Puzzlepiece> pre-ordered and hand delivered. Given, 48 hours later [12:07] <Ringo2000> I have had mine also since January [12:07] <HPFanatic> i'm gonna get it delivered to my house on the 21st [12:07] <Ringo2000> I'm running out in my Pink PJ's for mine... [12:07] <HPFanatic> thanks to my brother...he got it for me as a gift [12:08] <Ringo2000> all the way there and all the way back [12:08] <HPFanatic> lol [12:08] <Ringo2000> and then serious reading time [12:08] <futureweasley> aww, that's cool HPFanatic [12:08] <Puzzlepiece> lol Ringo [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Yay! Pajama party at the bookstore! [12:08] <Ringo2000> LOL [12:08] <futureweasley> and I LOVE the pink pj's idea Ringo [12:08] <HPFanatic> i know future! i was so happy that day [12:08] <JaneMarple9> going to get my sopy from the shop at about 10 am on the saturday [12:08] <HPFanatic> i thought id won a lottory [12:08] <HPFanatic> lollll [12:08] <bookworm1102> the only way to go ringo [12:08] * Puzzlepiece jealous of all at any parties or bookstores that night [12:08] <Ringo2000> hey this is Harry Potter people...we would do anything for it [12:08] <futureweasley> my mom actually volunteered to go and pick mine up at midnight so I didn't have to worry about "spoilers" or "foilers" [12:08] <Puzzlepiece> lol future [12:08] <Ringo2000> lol future [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Awww. future has a nice mom. [12:08] <JaneMarple9> good for her! [12:09] <Ringo2000> did you decline? [12:09] *** NimbusFlyer has joined #lounge [12:09] <futureweasley> he really is the best mom [12:09] <futureweasley> yes, I am taking her up on it [12:09] <bookworm1102> my mother has gotten tierd of hearing about it from me [12:09] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [12:09] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [12:09] <futureweasley> hi Nimbus! [12:09] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [12:09] <atschpe> Hi nimbus! [12:09] <JaneMarple9> Hi Nibus smile [12:09] <bookworm1102> hi nimbus [12:09] <Ringo2000> Hey Nimbus bye1 [12:09] <NimbusFlyer> Helloooo!! [12:09] <JaneMarple9> lets try that again...Hi Nimbus smile [12:10] *** HPFanatic has quit [Bye] [12:10] <futureweasley> hi Aquamarine [12:10] <Aquamarine> Hey! [12:10] <Aquamarine> is anyone else already this color? [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> nope, you're the first. [12:10] <Aquamarine> I don't want to take it from them... [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Very appropriate [12:10] <NimbusFlyer> You are all so talented with the smilies! [12:10] <Aquamarine> okay thanks! [12:10] <JaneMarple9> looks as if it was made for you aquamarine smile [12:10] <futureweasley> I LOVE emoticons [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> I've changed my official color to maroon. The other CB mods were giving me a hard time about my color. [12:10] <Aquamarine> Lol [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> I used to use the icky baby vomit color. [12:11] <futureweasley>  for MrMcG![12:11] <Ringo2000> lol [12:11] *** HPFanatic has joined #lounge [12:11] <NimbusFlyer> Are you on maroon now? [12:11] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [12:11] <futureweasley> party15 for MrMcG! [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> I am Aqua [12:11] <HPFanatic> wow why did i get disconnected [12:11] *** Aradragoon has joined #lounge [12:11] <JaneMarple9> >>>>:excited: that little guy is my favourite [12:11] <Ringo2000> I am Pink biggrin [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, puzzle did already choose that one. [12:11] <Aquamarine> lol [12:11] <JaneMarple9> w00t2 [12:11] <Ringo2000> w00t2 <---- Ray [12:11] <futureweasley> I love  [12:11] <Aquamarine> alright, hold on [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> its alright [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> Snuffles is being bad, HPFan. [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> it suits you [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> Ill use orange [12:11] <NimbusFlyer> I thought it was brown to match the Fat Friar's robe [12:11] <Puzzlepiece> there [12:11] <HPFanatic> oh lol i thought it was my computer [12:11] <Aquamarine> thanks! [12:12] <Puzzlepiece> never used this before! [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not exactly sure what the color is. I guess maroon is a brownish red. [12:12] <Sophia40> How do you change the color of the font? [12:12] <futureweasley> orange suits you, Puzzle [12:12] <Ringo2000> in the corner [12:12] <Aquamarine> how did you come up with your username puzzle? [12:12] <Puzzlepiece> thank you future [12:12] <Ringo2000> there is a drop down menu [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> There are little double arrows at the bottom right of your screen [12:12] <JaneMarple9> click on the>>> arrows>>>>> over there>>> [12:12] <NimbusFlyer> It works for me, Mr. MCG [12:12] <Puzzlepiece> click the << arrow and click the color button [12:12] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:12] <futureweasley> It reminds me of the brick wall at DiagonAlley, MrMcG [12:12] <futureweasley> hi cbm [12:12] <cbm> Hi everyone [12:12] <Puzzlepiece> hi cbm [12:12] <Ringo2000> ----------------> Color Changing options [12:13] <JaneMarple9> hi cbm [12:13] <Aquamarine> hi cbm [12:13] <Puzzlepiece> its in the same bar as where you type [12:13] <Ringo2000> Hey cbm [12:13] <NimbusFlyer> hello cbm [12:13] <HPFanatic> so many colors loll [12:13] <futureweasley> so little time, right? [12:13] <Puzzlepiece> its a rainbow! [12:13] <bookworm1102> hi cbm [12:13] <futureweasley> just DON'T choose beige [12:13] <HPFanatic> lol [12:13] <NimbusFlyer> purty [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> We always wish there were more. [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> LOL, future. [12:13] <cbm> I use green myself [12:13] <Sophia40> Mine was a rainbow too! [12:14] <Sophia40> I am green yayayayaya!! [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> OK, everyone, time to get started! [12:14] <Ringo2000> lol..testing testing [12:14] <JaneMarple9> yay smile [12:14] <NimbusFlyer> oops--did I take your color, Sophia? Hmmm--I'll go change [12:14] <Ringo2000> ohh so thats what happens [12:14] <Aquamarine> yay [12:14] <cbm> I was right on time! yay [12:14] <Ringo2000> OK [12:14] <Puzzlepiece> good job cbm [12:14] <Ringo2000> -sets down pillow and bean bag- [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:15] <futureweasley> It's exam time, everyone’s tense–Hermione forgets to nag Harry about Occlumency, she’s too busy seizing dodgy brain stimulants. McGonagall urges her Gryffindors to forget the Toad and do well anyhow. Revise!!! Harry shows off his Patronus. The Toad mounts a sneak attack on Hagrid and he flees. McGonagall leaves via a stretcher. During the History of Magic exam, Harry sees Sirius captured and tortured by Voldemort. [12:15] <futureweasley> Harry searches for McGonagall, she’s been transferred to St. Mungo’s. Harry tells Ron and Hermione what he has seen, but going to London without verification won’t do so they come up with a plan so Harry can see if Sirius is at home. Inside the Toad’s fireplace, he speaks to Kreacher, who tells him Sirius has left for the Dept. of Mysteries and will not return. The Toad and the Inquisitorial Squad catch them. [12:16] <futureweasley> The Toad demands Veritaserum from Snape. As he turns to leave, Harry screams out about Padfoot! Snape doesn’t acknowledge Harry and leaves. The Toad gets excited and decides it wants to use the Cruciatus Curse on Harry. The Toad reveals it sent the Dementors to Privet Drive over the summer. Hermione fakes a nervous breakdown–they were attempting to contact Dumbledore about a secret weapon. They set off for the Forbidden Forest. [12:16] <futureweasley> With some pronoun modifications, thanks to Chamber 88 and Chamber 29 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 31 and 32. [12:16] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron’s post-Quidditch behavior? Did he remind you of James? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:16] <JaneMarple9> nice summary! [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> He was rather like James. [12:16] <Ringo2000> Yeah--it was great [12:17] <futureweasley> The messing up of the hair [12:17] <futureweasley> that kills me everytime [12:17] <bookworm1102> i think it was a little like james [12:17] <MrMcGonagall> I'm glad Harry could smile inwardly about it. [12:17] <NimbusFlyer> It was fun t see him so happy [12:17] <Aquamarine> But Ron needed the confidence boost, I think. [12:17] <futureweasley> Ron has some SERIOUS "James-isms" [12:17] <Puzzlepiece> yup future [12:17] <JaneMarple9> he was exactly like James [12:17] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:17] <Ringo2000> He did, Ron isn't really an attention seeker, but he likes it when he gets it [12:17] <futureweasley> hi bemused [12:17] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, honestly, I think Ron is more like James at times than Harry is. [12:17] <bemused> hello [12:18] <JaneMarple9> ron doesn't get much opportunity to shine so makes the most of it [12:18] <Aquamarine> Yes, I agree Mr.McGonagall [12:18] <HPFanatic> really? like james? i dont know [12:18] <JaneMarple9> hi there bemused [12:18] <HPFanatic> he doesnt have the guts [12:18] <Puzzlepiece> he was but to a lesser extent [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> James was perhaps a bit more clever. [12:18] *** Aradragoon left #lounge [] [12:18] <cbm> Ron is not lacking in guts, just self confidence [12:18] <HPFanatic> i dont mean he doesnt have the guts in a bad way...but hes really shy [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> Ron doesn't have the pride and at times arrogance that James had. [12:18] <futureweasley> I think that James is just a bit more comfortable with himself [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> But Ron enjoys success. [12:18] <HPFanatic> yea there we go Mr.mg [12:19] <Sophia40> I think Ron likes acknowlgdement more than attention. There is deference. [12:19] <cbm> I think everyone enjoys success [12:19] <futureweasley> after all, James's best friend was not "The Boy Who Lived" [12:19] <bookworm1102> i think ut helped when the gryffindors had their on verison of weasly is our king [12:19] <Puzzlepiece> definitely, bookworm [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Boy, was I glad to see that song change. [12:19] <futureweasley> Ron has had to overcome some serious self-confidence issues just to hold his head up [12:19] <Aquamarine> And Ron has all of those brothers ahead of him... so he just needed his time to shine [12:19] <NimbusFlyer> I think he likes to be unstuck from the middle every once in a while [12:19] <JaneMarple9> no it was "the boy who murdered" - so the Daily Prophet will have everyone to believe sad [12:19] <bemused> Ron's been a younger brother all his life and rather squashed so the limelight is new to him [12:20] <Puzzlepiece> He was less like James because he had confidence issues holding him back - better brothers and friends. James had nobody better [12:20] <Aquamarine> And he wants to enjoy being in the center of attention for ONCE. [12:20] <futureweasley> yes Aqua...exactly [12:20] <JaneMarple9> ron's harry's best mate - ron is always overshadowed by harry [12:20] <bookworm1102> it was his 5min of fame [12:20] <futureweasley> when does the spotlight shine on Ron? [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, doesn't happen often for Ron. [12:20] <Ringo2000> James definantly had his adult-side earlier than ROn [12:20] <JaneMarple9> ron had a little bit of glory in book 4, with the mermaids too [12:20] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron’s reaction to not having his friends at his big moment of triumph? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:21] <NimbusFlyer> I can't evr see Ron picking on someone for the fun of it [12:21] <Ringo2000> Slightly angry [12:21] <HPFanatic> no me neither [12:21] <bemused> I could understand his disappointment [12:21] <Ringo2000> Crest-fallen [12:21] <Puzzlepiece> saddened [12:21] <JaneMarple9> he could have been a lot angrier [12:21] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [12:21] <cbm> I wouild be disappointed too [12:21] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [12:21] <bookworm1102> prbably mad that harry didnt see him get all the attention for once [12:21] <HPFanatic> yea me too [12:21] <JaneMarple9> he could have been more caos locky [12:21] <HPFanatic> hes always been there for harry [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> I completely understand his disappointment. [12:21] <Sophia40> I think he has little bits of time to shine, Wizards Chess! [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> This was a big moment for Ron, and his friends missed it. [12:22] <JaneMarple9> and he's got every right to be disappointed [12:22] <Aquamarine> Me too... he's always there for Harry, like HPfanatic said [12:22] <NimbusFlyer> I thought he got over it very quickly--I was proud of his reaction to their explanation [12:22] <Puzzlepiece> he showed his maturity there [12:22] <JaneMarple9> ooo good one - wizard chess too [12:22] <cbm> I agree Numbus [12:22] <Aquamarine> Definetly Puzzle. [12:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it says something about Ron that he didn't hold a grudge when Harry and Hermione obviously had a good reason for missing the game. [12:22] <HPFanatic> wizard chess was awesome [12:22] <Puzzlepiece> we dont give him enough credit [12:22] <Ringo2000> Yeah--Ron provides alot of infomation on the Wizarding World, such as Quidditch and ect. [12:22] <Puzzlepiece> but remember during GOF, his reaction [12:22] *** GranjoGranger has joined #lounge [12:22] <futureweasley> hi granjogranger [12:22] <Ringo2000> He told Harry what an Unbreakable Vow is [12:22] <Puzzlepiece> welcome [12:22] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [12:23] <bookworm1102> he was probablt upset that hermione missed it b/c it was his chance to show off if front of her [12:23] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron’s reaction to Grawp? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:23] <GranjoGranger> Yay I'm in. Hi! [12:23] <cbm> He has grown since boojk 4 [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Who wouldn't be shocked! [12:23] <JaneMarple9> typical [12:23] <Puzzlepiece> what was it again? [12:23] <bemused> Understandable!! [12:23] <HPFanatic> hey granjogranger [12:23] <Ringo2000> Sort of-"You missed my game for THAT?!?!" [12:23] <cbm> it was what I expected [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Utter astonishment [12:23] <Puzzlepiece> thanks Ringo [12:23] <JaneMarple9> i can't stand grawp myself smile [12:23] <bookworm1102> the standaed ron reaction [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Mouth agape. [12:23] <futureweasley> the "gaping" [12:23] <HPFanatic> well he's cute tho, jane! [12:23] <Aquamarine> Lol [12:23] <futureweasley> exactly MrMcG [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Vacant expression, must be a Weasley. [12:23] <atschpe> seconded bemused. I mean Harry answered for Ron without him even being present. [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> LOL [12:24] <Ringo2000> I am not big on Grawp either [12:24] <futureweasley> he just gets so gobsmacked at times [12:24] <Ringo2000> but he is the ideal brother for Hagrid [12:24] <JaneMarple9> biggrin Mr McG [12:24] <Sophia40> I can just see his face "You Saw What?!" [12:24] <futureweasley> Even Ron recognizes how unreasonable and dangerous the task of teaching Grawp is. So why are Harry and Hermione so determined to keep their promise to Hagrid even though his request is so incredibly over-the-top? (Chamber 29) [12:24] <GranjoGranger> Hagrid likes him. [12:24] <bemused> I don't think I'd be too thrilled to be told I was giving a giant English lessons [12:24] <Ringo2000> well they owe Hagrid ALOT [12:24] <HPFanatic> they like hagrid [12:24] <HPFanatic>  [12:24] <JaneMarple9> yes he's a brother for Hagrid...thats the own decent tgubg about Grawp [12:24] <MrMcGonagall> Harry and Hermione wouldn't go back on their word. [12:25] <bookworm1102> b/c its hagrid and they could never say no to him [12:25] <JaneMarple9> because they don't want umbridge to know [12:25] <Ringo2000> It would be like turning someone down when you ask for a major favour...they couldn't turn it down..it would be disrespectful and rude [12:25] <NimbusFlyer> And Ron's lyalty to Harry extends to Hagrid--there is never a doubt [12:25] <bemused> It was a promise [12:25] <futureweasley> they LOVE Hagrid...nothing short of love would make anyone feel so comitted to oblige such a request [12:25] <GranjoGranger> They Love Hagrid and Promised . [12:25] <JaneMarple9> and also it woulld get hagrid into trouble [12:25] <HPFanatic> yea its funny, hagrid has this innocent way of asking for things u just cant say no to him [12:25] <Puzzlepiece> they care too much for him [12:25] <Sophia40> Such loyalty to the ones you love! [12:25] <bookworm1102> they dont want him to get kicked out [12:25] <Aquamarine> Hagrid is one of Harry's almost Father figures... [12:25] <JaneMarple9> quite right - a promise is a promise [12:25] <Puzzlepiece> black, white, red [12:25] <Ringo2000> Agreed, bookworm smile [12:26] <JaneMarple9> and yes aqua [12:26] <cbm> I would call him an uncle, not a father figure [12:26] <JaneMarple9> shhhh puzzle biggrin [12:26] <Puzzlepiece> good one cbm [12:26] <futureweasley> I agree cbm [12:26] <Aquamarine> Yea, not quite dad-like [12:26] <Aquamarine> I agree Cbm [12:26] <GranjoGranger> They have a history of protecting Hagrid. He is sort a big brother lol. [12:26] <bookworm1102> hagrids at least someone haryy could look up to [12:26] <futureweasley> he's a strong adult in their lives...but not exactly "fatherly" [12:26] <bemused> I'd say he's more like a big brother - or, yes, a rather awkward uncle [12:26] <futureweasley> lol bemused [12:26] <Ringo2000> Yes--Hagrid is idolised by Harry, in some sort of way [12:26] <futureweasley> exactly [12:26] <JaneMarple9> everyone looks up to Hagrid biggrin [12:26] <futureweasley> "Of course, it's not what you know...it's who you know," Malfoy loudly tells Crabbe and Goyle. Do you think there's any truth to this? Do you see any evidence that Harry may have a bit of an advantage over the other students (at least with Professor Tofty)? (Chamber 29) [12:26] <bookworm1102> lol [12:26] <Ringo2000> LOL Jane [12:26] <NimbusFlyer> or auntie biggrin [12:26] <Ringo2000> all but Madam Maxime  [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> not really. [12:27] <Puzzlepiece> we cant trust Malfoy - what rubbish [12:27] <JaneMarple9> arthur's more of a father figure than hagrid [12:27] <Sophia40> I hope Hagrid doesn't die in DH! but it seems all of Harry "father figures" do. [12:27] <HPFanatic> well for malfoy it works doesnt it [12:27] <cbm> Malfoy probably believes it and I hope was disappointed at his results [12:27] <Aquamarine> I know.... [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> I think the examiners are pretty fair-minded. They know their job. [12:27] <futureweasley> I think it's Malfoy in this typical lame attempt to spread animosity and discomfort. [12:27] <GranjoGranger> I don;t think so where OWLS are involved. [12:27] <Puzzlepiece> he was trying to make himself feel better [12:27] <bemused> Yes - he got an extra mark for his Patronus - the others who could make one never got a chance [12:27] <NimbusFlyer> It doesn't seem so with the examiners--they seem above WW politics [12:27] <JaneMarple9> harry had as much chance with his exams than everyone else [12:27] <Ringo2000> Yeah--Griselda Marchbanks yet knowing Neville's Grandmother still w as fair with his OWLs [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Most of them seem too old and crotchety to care much about hobknobbing with the Malfoys or anyone else. [12:27] <Puzzlepiece> I think that Harry did not get favoured much - just look at his marks [12:28] <cbm> He was also trying to make himself feel more important and above everyone else [12:28] <futureweasley> Draco definitely has that "my you-know-poo doesn't stink" attitude...and it's his best asset to get people off their game [12:28] <bookworm1102> i would say maybe a little just because he seems to always be in the compny of the Hogwarts professors [12:28] <atschpe> I think Harry had his Outstanding regardless of his bonus of producing a Patronus [12:28] <Sophia40> Malfoy is is nasty! IMO [12:28] <JaneMarple9> the OWL examiners wouldn't have favourites [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, atschpe [12:28] <Aquamarine> wait, does anyone know the page he said this on? (usa edition) [12:28] <JaneMarple9> Harry impressed the OWL examiners though [12:28] <HPFanatic> i think malfoy had seen it work everywhere else, he thought it would work all the time [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> they couldnt be examiners if they were prejudiced [12:28] <futureweasley> I completely agree atschpe [12:28] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:28] <HPFanatic> his father had alot of influences [12:28] <futureweasley> hi Expie [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> Expie!! [12:28] <bemused> Yes, probably he did, atschpe, but he was made different by being asked to do a PAtronus - the other kids weren't [12:28] <bookworm1102> harry impresses anyone just b/c of who he is [12:28] <HPFanatic> hey expie! [12:29] <Expelliarmas> MrM!! [12:29] <Ringo2000> Hey Expie :waves: [12:29] <bookworm1102> hey expie [12:29] <Aquamarine> hello! [12:29] <NimbusFlyer> hi Expie! [12:29] <futureweasley> Any thoughts about the pressure and high expectations placed upon fifth years to achieve high marks on their O.W.L.s? Are the expectations too high (8 subjects, a theory and practical exam on most, during a week and half time period)? [12:29] <Expelliarmas> hello, peeps [12:29] <GranjoGranger> Hey [12:29] <Ringo2000> Hey Expie bye1 ** [12:29] <JaneMarple9> hi expie [12:29] <atschpe> Hi Expie [12:29] <Ringo2000> There is ALOT of pressure [12:29] <Ringo2000> As Fred and George said, people broke down in tears [12:29] <JaneMarple9> it does seem a lot [12:29] <bemused> No - that's the normal thing in UK schools at that age - most people do 8 'O' levels [12:29] <cbm> Is this anything like the exams real students in the UK go through? [12:29] <bookworm1102> maybe a little but who doesnt stress out about those kinds of test [12:29] <futureweasley> I don't know...school is school. Academia is Academia [12:30] <NimbusFlyer> Soooo much pressure--to decide the beginning of your futre at 15--Shew! [12:30] <HPFanatic> reminds me of my highschool IB exams [12:30] <cbm> thanks bemused [12:30] <futureweasley> I do think that the exam time is a normal thing. Everyone gets stressed [12:30] <JaneMarple9> similar to the GCSE exams in England [12:30] <Aquamarine> I don't think the expectations are too high though... but they have to be ready for the much higher level of magic that they are going to encounter the next year [12:30] <Puzzlepiece> its no worse than my school though. I had 11 over a week and a half [12:30] <GranjoGranger> I don't think it is too much. Difficult yes, but look at the responsibilty they will have as graduates of Hogwarts. [12:30] <NimbusFlyer> South Africa too--I worried about the high schoolers in my parish [12:30] <futureweasley> so nothing "cruel and unusual" about Hogwarts' grueling exam schedule, then? [12:30] <HPFanatic> i remember an organic chem final at university where this girl fell over her chair and fainted [12:31] <bookworm1102> agreed auqa [12:31] <HPFanatic> lollll [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> I think students tend t make themselves crazy over things like this. [12:31] <JaneMarple9> the exams in the Muggle world aren't as important as in the books [12:31] <Aquamarine> I know I freak out over exams... such a Hermione! [12:31] <cbm> So it is just a very very stressful test [12:31] <bemused> I think it's based on the exam regime JRK herself would have done [12:31] <Puzzlepiece> I was raeding an article about the china exams. there are like 10 million competing for 6 million spots. thats worse [12:31] <Aquamarine> Probably bemused. [12:31] <bookworm1102> but its normal to stress out about any exam though [12:31] <JaneMarple9> sounds reasonable bemused -------------------- |
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[12:31] <futureweasley> How do the different approaches the students have towards preparing for the exams and taking them reflect their individual characters? (Chamber 88)
[12:31] <HPFanatic> all tests are stressful cbm arent they? or maybe thats just me sad [12:32] <Puzzlepiece> I think it doesnt reflect on their characters as everyone is crazy during exam time [12:32] <MrMcGonagall> Ron and Harry looking for a quick fix. LOL [12:32] <Aquamarine> LOL [12:32] <futureweasley> Ernie MacMillan preparing to the nth degree [12:32] <Aquamarine> And Hermione using every spare second/ [12:32] <HPFanatic> lollll [12:32] <JaneMarple9> yeah...even now, exams and tests stress me out smile [12:32] <GranjoGranger> They are all funny. I was an Ernie Macmillan. [12:32] <bookworm1102> alot of them cant handle the pressure but shouldnt hermione be use to it b/c of her theird year? [12:32] <bemused> Mmm - but the descriptions of the different ways they revise [12:32] <NimbusFlyer> i ahd no idea Ernie was so unsure of himself [12:32] <JaneMarple9> Hermione's reavtion is typical [12:32] <futureweasley> possibly overcompensating for his lack of "stellar brainpower" [12:32] <bemused> Ernie with his counting the hours [12:32] <HPFanatic> frankly i dont know what hermione was worried about. she already knew all of the stuff in the book word for word [12:32] <bemused> Hermione glued to her books [12:33] <Ringo2000> I would have been a bit of a Harry/Hermione...hey there exams...but I still would havr revised [12:33] <HPFanatic> she was her books [12:33] <Expelliarmas> I think Ernie was trying to set an example, he's a bit pompous [12:33] <cbm> I always found the preparation more stressful than the test, I do not know how I would prepare for something like this [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> I am ernie [12:33] <futureweasley> right Nimbus...he obviously has a hang-up with his academic performance [12:33] <GranjoGranger> Hermione wabted all Os. [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I was more of a James or a Sirius when it came to studying for exams. [12:33] <JaneMarple9> i was probably a mixture of the Trio for my big exams biggrin [12:33] <Sophia40> I was more like Harry to much else to do ! but some how always got good marks. [12:33] <bookworm1102> it should have been a breeze for hermione compared to thrird year w/ the time turner and all [12:33] <Ringo2000> Ernie wants all Os and If he didn't he would probably iron his hands [12:33] <bookworm1102> lol [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> Remember, Hermione was doing practice OWLs in like COS [12:34] <Aquamarine> LOL I was just re-reading Ernie's lines... "I did nine and a half on Monday... not so good on Tuesday.. onlyseven and a quarter..." [12:34] <MrMcGonagall> Everyone seemed to act true to form for their character. [12:34] <GranjoGranger> I worked hard and was always judging myself. Grades were good though. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> yeah...the polyjuice potion [12:34] <Puzzlepiece> only 7 and a quarter. [12:34] <futureweasley> Why did McGonagall warn students about the Anti-Cheating Charms? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:34] <Ringo2000> Obvious [12:34] <NimbusFlyer> Keen thought on Ernie, Expie [12:34] <Ringo2000> Fred and George, eh? [12:34] <JaneMarple9> who'd had thought that was so important [12:34] <Sophia40> Slythrins!!!! [12:34] <JaneMarple9> yeah remineseant of fred and george [12:34] <bookworm1102> b/c they would probably try to cheat in somewaay [12:34] <Aquamarine> Because people might become a little desperate.... [12:34] <HPFanatic> well wasnt she supposed to? [12:34] <futureweasley> can you imagine the punishment for cheating under Umbridge's regime? [12:34] <Puzzlepiece> there is always 1 [12:34] <cbm> To keep the students from doing it and keep them from testing the charms [12:34] <Ringo2000> It just would have been like any normal test, dont have your revision notes on the back of your hand ect. [12:34] <Expelliarmas> I think she hated the idea of anyone from Gryffindor being nailed for cheating by the Toad [12:34] <bemused> she didn't want any of her house trying to cut corners [12:35] <Aquamarine> Would Harry and Ron cheat, had they got the chance? [12:35] <JaneMarple9> to make sure that nobody cheated [12:35] <Puzzlepiece> last week a kid got 0 on one of my exams for peeking at someone else [12:35] <bookworm1102> or to aleats maybe scare them even more smile [12:35] <futureweasley> no Aqua...I don't think they would [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yes expie great summary [12:35] <cbm> No, aqua, I can't see that [12:35] <HPFanatic> i think they would have [12:35] <Puzzlepiece> Harry is to noble [12:35] <HPFanatic> cheated i mean [12:35] <GranjoGranger> That would be standard procedure to remind students that cheating would not be tolerated. [12:35] <atschpe> I took that as standard. We were always reminded of not to cheat and the consequences too. [12:35] <futureweasley> cutting corners before the fact is much different than cheating during the exam [12:35] <JaneMarple9> no harry and ron re to noble to cheat [12:35] <Aquamarine> I don't think so either.... but Ron could get a little over-stressed. I bet Harry would find out and talk him out of it though. [12:35] <Ringo2000> Yes, Puzzle, there very strict, like if your mobile phone goes of in your GCSE you are automatically failed and get a zero [12:35] <JaneMarple9> and anyway...hermione would eat them alive laugh [12:36] <cbm> Also think of Hermione's reaction if she found out [12:36] <Aquamarine> LOL [12:36] <Sophia40> No Idon't think that htey would either! [12:36] <bookworm1102> lol [12:36] <bemused> I suppose it's warning them is the right thing to do - in the way a lot of us said Hermione should have warned the DA about the jinxed parchment [12:36] <futureweasley> right...Hermione would KILL them [12:36] <Aquamarine> And then Hermione would march right up to McGonagall. lol [12:36] <Ringo2000> Hmm... [12:36] <cbm> Or worse, turn them in [12:36] <futureweasley> Why was Umbridge watching Harry during his DADA practical exam? Do you think his outstanding performance resulted in any future action on Umbridge's part? (Chamber 29) [12:36] <JaneMarple9> .... then ask questions biggrin [12:36] <Ringo2000> Hmm...well she hopefully wanted to see him fail [12:36] <HPFanatic> no i think she just doesnt like harry... [12:36] <futureweasley> Umbridge is afraid of Harry [12:36] <cbm> I bet she was looking for some way to make him fail [12:37] <Puzzlepiece> stick it to her! [12:37] <HPFanatic> oh yea that too [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> I rather have a feeling Umbridge was watching over everyone's exams. [12:37] <HPFanatic> shes afraid of him [12:37] <Puzzlepiece> right future [12:37] <bookworm1102> she was wanteing to find a way to fail him or to get him kicked out [12:37] <JaneMarple9> i think umbridge was frightened of harry [12:37] <Expelliarmas> The Toad has made it its mission to know all things Harry [12:37] <futureweasley> I think she needed to see first hand what he was capable of [12:37] <Sophia40> I think she wanted to see him fail! [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> She seems anxious that the examiners shouldn't find fault. [12:37] <JaneMarple9> she knows that he is more powerful than her at 15! [12:37] <NimbusFlyer> That seemed like his easiest Patronus EVER! [12:37] <futureweasley> and what he had the potential of teaching "her" students [12:37] <Aquamarine> Umbridge probably tried to talk Tofty into failing Harry afterward too... [12:37] <bemused> She wanted everyone to do well because it reflected on her [12:37] <Expelliarmas> also, it was the DADA instructor for the year [12:37] <atschpe> Perhaps still trying to get proof that he did lead a secret club [12:37] <Puzzlepiece> she wanted to see the boy who caused all the trouble fail [12:37] <Ringo2000> Agreed, future, excellent point smile [12:37] <JaneMarple9> she wanted harry to fail [12:37] <GranjoGranger> I think she was curious to see just how good he was. The patronus was just a bonus. [12:37] <cbm> I do not think she is frightened of him, I think she is to out of touch with reality to be scared of him [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yeah Granjo [12:38] <futureweasley> she thinks he's dangerous, cbm [12:38] <Expelliarmas> The Toad saw Harry as an adversary [12:38] <bemused> I don't think she did want him to fail. I think it was the one time his doing well played into her hands - she wantd good grades [12:38] <JaneMarple9> yes expie exactly [12:38] <Aquamarine> yea, good point future [12:38] <GranjoGranger> yes expie. [12:38] <bookworm1102> i think she always saw him that way expie [12:38] <NimbusFlyer> Well said, Granjo and Expie [12:38] <cbm> Yes but, she thinks she is better than him [12:38] <NimbusFlyer> and cbm [12:38] <Sophia40> Did she have to watch all the DADA test then? Being teacher and all! [12:38] <futureweasley> ok, I can buy that [12:38] <Expelliarmas> that's because the Toad is delusional, cbm [12:38] <JaneMarple9> probably nimbus [12:39] <futureweasley> What do you make of that ‘nasty little smile’ Umbridge gave when Harry caught her eye after his DADA practical? (Chamber 88) [12:39] <GranjoGranger> Of course she does because she thinks he is wrong. [12:39] * cbm was tryiong very hard not to use the D word [12:39] <futureweasley> LOL [12:39] <Aquamarine> lol [12:39] <futureweasley> "delusional" is a love word, cbm [12:39] <NimbusFlyer> Does she HAVE an unnasty smile? [12:39] <Puzzlepiece> I think that Umbridge was doing all she could to try to seem the bigger man - or woan in this case [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure what to make of that. [12:39] <JaneMarple9> laugh [12:39] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [12:39] <futureweasley> hi tinkertime [12:39] <cbm> good question Numbus [12:39] <bookworm1102> that she thinks she knows what harry is up to [12:39] <bemused> Remember Prof McG told them that the Toad wanting them to get good grades was no reason not to [12:39] <Aquamarine> Haha nimbus [12:39] <Ringo2000> Ohh, I think its a sort of 'as i excpected' smile... [12:40] <JaneMarple9> i don't know what to make of that smile [12:40] <bemused> I think she smiled 'cos she knew he'd done well [12:40] <GranjoGranger> She was thinking that she could still get the best of him. [12:40] <bemused> Harry Potter succeeds under the new Headmistress [12:40] <JaneMarple9> but why would umbridge smile at that bemused? [12:40] <futureweasley> I'm not sure, either...it was almost like, "I know your secret"...or "I have a secret" [12:40] <cbm> She probably thought that his doing well was proof of her superior teaching methods [12:40] <bookworm1102> thats true [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I can imagine her thinking, "You may have just achieved an O in your DADA OWL, Mr. Potter, but you're never going to be an auror." [12:40] <GranjoGranger> AW cbm. [12:40] <Expelliarmas> The Toad could do nothing but smile, the examiners probably gave it credit for the results of the DADA students. What could it do, say no, I didn't teach them that? [12:40] <bemused> Because if the students did well it would make her look a more successful Head, Jane [12:40] <NimbusFlyer> It was probably her version of keeping up appearances after his nice job [12:41] <JaneMarple9> yes future nice point [12:41] <futureweasley> she knew he had a corporeal patronus and set the dementor on him in Little Whinging [12:41] <atschpe> Good point MrMcG [12:41] * Expelliarmas thinks she and cbm should stop the mindmeld thing [12:41] <cbm> I forgot about that future [12:41] <cbm> lol [12:41] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [12:41] <NimbusFlyer>  [12:41] <futureweasley> While doing the practical for DADA, Harry conjures a Patronus using the idea of Umbridge getting sacked. We've seen Harry produce the Patronus using memories and using happy ideas. Which, do you think, produces the most strong or effective Patronus? A memory that is particularly happy or the idea of a good memory waiting to happen? (Chamber 007). [12:41] <Sophia40> I think it was "I have a secret" smile she still thinks she will get at Harry! [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, nymph! [12:41] <atschpe> teehee [12:41] <GranjoGranger> Did she know before little whinging> [12:41] <JaneMarple9> hi there nymph [12:41] <nympheart> hello [12:41] <bookworm1102> hi nymph [12:42] <futureweasley> yes Granjo...it was widely known [12:42] <Puzzlepiece> hi nymph [12:42] <JaneMarple9> she probably smiling because she's going to get hagrid [12:42] <futureweasley> after the whole "Sirius" thing [12:42] <Expelliarmas> The Toad knew about little whinging, it was at Harry's hearing and set the dementors on Harry [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I think the happy thought was enough in this case, considering there was no immediate threat to counterbalance it. [12:42] <JaneMarple9> hagrid hadn't been "got at" then had he? [12:42] <Puzzlepiece> the toad caused little winging [12:42] <cbm> I think it is the stronger memory, no matter what the type [12:42] <NimbusFlyer> Hi nymph! [12:42] <nympheart> I think it depends on the person conjuring it [12:42] <GranjoGranger> I think the future expectationis stronger. [12:42] <atschpe> I think with time the memory becomes less important when one is used to working the spell [12:42] <cbm> the one that is the happier [12:42] <bemused> I think Harry was probably on a high then because he knew he'd done well - the thought of her being scaked was the icing on it [12:42] <Aquamarine> I think it was happy because Harrry realized how awful she had been to people he cared about, like Hagrid. [12:42] <Sophia40> I think the idea of a happy memory is stronger for Harry! [12:43] <bookworm1102> i think maybe thinking about hs parents would be a strong memory for him or at thinking abou his friends [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> the more powerful the emotion. I dont think it really matters, as long as the emotion is very strong. I bet that Voldemort cannot create a patronus [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> I also believe Harry is getting very good at conjuring a patronus at this point, and magic seems to come easier once one has had a lot of practice with a particular spell. [12:43] <nympheart> someone who is past-oriented would probably do better with a memory [12:43] <cbm> I think the 1st kiss with Ginny would would be a stronger memory than this [12:43] <GranjoGranger> Agree Puz. [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> lol cbm [12:43] <Aquamarine> I think it was almost like an enemy being defeated.... [12:43] <bookworm1102> agreed Mr.Mcg [12:43] <JaneMarple9> but that hadn't happened yet smile [12:43] <futureweasley> oh, yes cbm [12:43] <Aquamarine> hah cbm [12:43] <Aquamarine> true Jane [12:43] <JaneMarple9> thats in the future! [12:44] <futureweasley> After the Divination exam, Ron makes his comment about not caring if his tea leaves spell “die, Ron, die.” We’ve seen before he has an uncanny ability to predict the future when he’s joking around. What do you make of this comment in light of the approaching Deathly Hallows? Worried? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:44] <Aquamarine> I think Ron is going to die sad [12:44] <Expelliarmas> Oh, I'm very worried for poor Ron [12:44] <bemused> Determined not to worry! [12:44] <futureweasley> it scares the jammies out of me [12:44] <JaneMarple9> ron has a unearing quality of being a seer sometimes [12:44] <cbm> true jane, but I am trying to make a point, that it is the strength of the memory, not when that is important [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> Not really. I don't really buy the "Ron is a seer" thing. [12:44] <bemused> ... I'll believe it when i read it... [12:44] <nympheart> I'm in denial [12:44] <atschpe> Well, he's already had his close call in HBP [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> Me too bemused. [12:44] <NimbusFlyer> I was until he added that he would chuck it in the bin--I think it's a throwaway (pun intended) smile [12:44] <tinkertime> Ron is definitely in danger though, it's usually Harry or Hermione saving him... [12:44] <nympheart> that's true atschpe [12:44] <GranjoGranger> I think that the uncertain Ron will die to a dtronger more certain self. [12:44] <Sophia40> I am worried for them all! Everyone is in mortal danger! [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> but this is speculation. different type of joke than the others [12:45] <Aquamarine> I don't think it was really a "Ron is a seer" moment, Mr. McG: I think it was foreshadowing on Jo's part. [12:45] <JaneMarple9> sometimes he says things jokingly and then it haooebs [12:45] <cbm> He is not predicting he is going to die here, he is just saying he is going to ignore divination [12:45] <futureweasley> I do, however, buy the "Ron is uncanningly insightful...even if, at times, in a moronic way" thing [12:45] <Expelliarmas> so do I, fw [12:45] <bookworm1102> that makes me worried but if he has been able to predict the future before would that make him a Seer like trelawny and he doesnt know about it [12:45] <JaneMarple9> i really really hope ron's tea-leaves don't come true n 28 days sad [12:45] <Expelliarmas> he's most insightful when he's tossing out throwaway lines [12:45] <futureweasley> me too Jane [12:45] <tinkertime> He and Harry made up a bunch of stuff for Divination and most of it actually did happen [12:45] <futureweasley> I love me some Ron [12:45] <MrMcGonagall> If it's foreshadowing, it's unworthy of Jo's talent. [12:46] <Aquamarine> He did this about the triwizard tournament right? [12:46] <cbm> They won't, I am almost sure of it [12:46] <futureweasley> I like that, MrMcG [12:46] <JaneMarple9> yeah ron is good with throwaway remarks [12:46] <futureweasley> because you're right [12:46] <futureweasley> Hermione mixes up "ehwaz" with "eihwaz" on her Runes exam. What's the big deal? Are we told this for a reason. Are partnership and defense closely related. Can you find the Rune's for both of these names, and by looking at them, do you think they bear any significance? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:46] <Puzzlepiece> 27, Jane [12:46] <GranjoGranger> They also made up a lot of junk that did noy come true. [12:46] <MrMcGonagall> This was interesting. [12:46] <Sophia40> I think so to MrMCG [12:46] <NimbusFlyer> Hmmmm. Expie--will keep ruminating on that one [12:46] <JaneMarple9> ok 27 then puzzle biggrin [12:46] <tinkertime> I looked them up and there was only one of them that I could find [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> unless you want to wait more, Jane [12:47] <JaneMarple9> no chance! [12:47] <bookworm1102> they eill probabably become important in the future [12:47] <nympheart> partnership and defense are related as far as the Order and the DA is concerned [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think partnership and defense are linked. [12:47] <Sophia40> I am not good at Ancient Runes [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> I think that they ahve a connection the symbol [12:47] <JaneMarple9> I think it is foreshadowing of book 7 [12:47] <Aquamarine> Ooh... I hadn't realized that before! [12:47] <bookworm1102> me too jane [12:47] <cbm> In what way Jane? [12:47] <Aquamarine> Woah, that's so cool! [12:47] <NimbusFlyer> It's important how these concepts relate to the unification of thehouses [12:47] <Aquamarine> Yeah, they're definetly related [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Nimbus [12:47] <HPFanatic> i think they are linked too but the fact that hermione messed it up maybe is supposed to say something about the choice she has to make in the future. [12:48] <Aquamarine> Oh, thats good Hp.... [12:48] <GranjoGranger> I know nothing about runes but do see the two as connected. [12:48] <nympheart> that's interesting HP [12:48] <JaneMarple9> it seems to mean that ron and hermione will become friendly in book 7 [12:48] <tinkertime> Hermione is always talking about her Ancient Runes classes, books, exams tec...I think she'll play the major role in explaining the symbol on the book [12:48] <HPFanatic> oh thanks aqua [12:48] <JaneMarple9> yeah ancient runes is important [12:48] <HPFanatic> [12:48] <futureweasley> Jo keeps bringing up History of Magic as part of her practical WOMBATs. Here we have a lot of the questions for that exam. Take a look. We also know that many of the wizarding events correspond with Muggle history. What did you think of them? How does this help you with Deathly Hallows? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:48] <Aquamarine> Oh yeah Tinkertime! I forgot about that symbol [12:49] <GranjoGranger> I like ehat. [12:49] <Sophia40> I think that the two will come in to play like the sorting hat says! The houses need to unite! [12:49] <Sophia40> and the defence will happen! [12:49] <JaneMarple9> the wombats questions were interesting [12:49] <MrMcGonagall> History will be very important in DH, I think. [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> sorry guys I'm drifting in and out here [12:49] <nympheart> didn't Jo say that she feels wizard and muggle events parallel each other with the Grindelwald defeat in 1945? [12:49] <cbm> I think Jo is just using all of the back story from her notes to torment us in the Wombats [12:49] <tinkertime> goblins will be a big ? for DH [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> lol cbm [12:50] <JaneMarple9> yes Mr McG I think so too [12:50] <NimbusFlyer> lol cbm [12:50] <bookworm1102> i think History of Magic might com in handy in DH i think think Harry and Ronwill regret not paying attention [12:50] <nympheart> lol, that's possible too cbm [12:50] <bookworm1102> in class [12:50] <JaneMarple9> yes - goblins are vital in book 7 [12:50] <Aquamarine> In terms of history ... there is the theory that the four founders will come into play in DH [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> histroy is the key to the future, after all [12:50] <HPFanatic> yea but didnt jo also say that she didnt mean for the books to reflect real history? like muggle history? [12:50] <GranjoGranger> Good thing Hermione did. [12:50] <Sophia40> I think that Harry and Ron will be sorry they didn't read Hogwarts a history ! [12:50] <NimbusFlyer> nicely said, Puzzle [12:50] <cbm> Well they have Hermione was any history information they may need [12:50] <JaneMarple9> goblins at Gringotts, Goblin made tiara at Bill and Fleur's wedding [12:51] <bemused> I think the history of Hogwarts is going to be vital [12:51] <JaneMarple9> hermione will know about the history of hogwarts [12:51] <NimbusFlyer> Do you think it will ever be published in the Muggle world? [12:51] <Aquamarine> I agree bemused... especially about the founders [12:51] <JaneMarple9> she probably knows it back to front [12:51] <futureweasley> Goblin on Harry's back on the UK Childrens cover...(cough) [12:51] <JaneMarple9> i really hope so nimbus [12:51] <cbm> Dobby on his back! [12:51] <MrMcGonagall> Not a goblin. [12:51] <Aquamarine> Goblin... or house elf? [12:51] <HPFanatic> elf [12:51] <atschpe> want a cough drop future? [12:51] <Expelliarmas> not a goblin *cough*elf*cough* [12:51] <Sophia40> I hope so too! [12:51] <futureweasley> I think we will hear lots about the Goblin Rebellion [12:51] <JaneMarple9> would you care for a cough-drop Future? laugh [12:52] <NimbusFlyer> Me too, Jane! [12:52] <Aquamarine> lol Jane! [12:52] <bemused> I also think it might turn out to have been misunderstood - the history of Hogwarts, that is [12:52] <GranjoGranger> History of Hogwarts more important than history of magic, but both important. [12:52] <futureweasley> and I think that we will learn about their rights [12:52] <tinkertime> The prejudice in the wizardng wolrd shows the link to the same weakness in the Muggle world...wizards aren't necessarily b\"better:"at dealing with these issues [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> be back soon all [12:52] <futureweasley> k puzzle [12:52] <Sophia40> Dobby! Dobby! Dobby! [12:52] <atschpe> Looks like Expie could do with a cough drop too [12:52] <futureweasley> hahahaha [12:52] <Aquamarine> True Tinkertime [12:52] <futureweasley> Umbridge has five people with her when she goes to arrest Hagrid; one is certainly an Auror. Do you think they were all Aurors? Would she have the authority to call for Auror support herself: if not, why do you think the Ministry sent them? (Chamber 88) [12:52] * Expelliarmas takes cough drops from fw [12:52] <JaneMarple9> its a ElfLin how many times biggrin [12:53] <nympheart> They were probably all Aurors [12:53] <HPFanatic> well the ministry was getting tougher by the hour [12:53] <HPFanatic> i think it makes sense they would send aurors [12:53] <JaneMarple9> yes probably all aurors [12:53] <Aquamarine> brb guys [12:53] <cbm> I think she still had her authority and she could call them [12:53] <bookworm1102> b/c fudge is crazy and he will give Umbridge anything she wants smile [12:53] <Expelliarmas> The Toad has the authority to get MoM help when it needs it. Given how inept it is at magic, it needs all the help it can get [12:53] <NimbusFlyer> Was Scrimgeour on borad with this? [12:53] <bemused> but why aurors against Hagrid? [12:53] <nympheart> I think she probably needed Fudge's permission for them to come, and I don't think he's tightfisted about that [12:53] <Puzzlepiece> Umbridge took her most faithful I think [12:53] <NimbusFlyer> oops-boeard [12:53] <Sophia40> I think they fear giants! [12:53] <JaneMarple9> umbridge knew she couldn't take hagrid on her own [12:53] <atschpe> Yeah most likely – I don#t see anyone else going with Umbridge and the Aurors have no choice but to do as their told [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think she had the authority. Fudge would have had no problem acquiescing to that request. [12:53] <tinkertime> They were probably all Auroros, and Hagrid had a history of getting into trouble, maybe it was easier for Umbridge to get help because it was Hagrid they were going to sack [12:53] <NimbusFlyer> ack--board [12:54] <HPFanatic> well she doesnt like hagrid anyway [12:54] <HPFanatic> shes scared of him [12:54] <JaneMarple9> smile got there in the end Nimbus smile [12:54] <futureweasley> Prof McGonagall’s open opposition to Umbridge. Should she have gone out to defend Hagrid alone? (Chamber 88) [12:54] <NimbusFlyer> LOL, Jane! [12:54] <JaneMarple9> no [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> McGonagall has spunk! [12:54] <cbm> My only question is, where they there to escrort him off the grounds, or were they going to sack him [12:54] <nympheart> probably not, but she's a Gryffindor after all [12:54] <JaneMarple9> she should have had back up [12:54] <bookworm1102> i thik she should of have some one to back her up [12:54] <GranjoGranger> Had no time to do anything else. [12:54] <Expelliarmas> Who else was going to help McGonagall? She wasn't going to wait for ol' greaseball. I do wonder where Flitwick was [12:54] <futureweasley> I was like, "MINERVA!! What are you thinking!" I mean, she's a highly capable witch...but Umbridge is off her rocker [12:54] <NimbusFlyer> Your wife rocks, Mr. Mc! [12:55] <HPFanatic> well i think macgonnagall had had enough of umbridge and didnt care anymore [12:55] <Puzzlepiece> I think they were going to escort him [12:55] <JaneMarple9> but yes - she's a true gyffindor [12:55] <bemused> It was brave of her to defend him, but when she wanted to defend DD he told her not to - Hogwarts needs you [12:55] <futureweasley> yes Jane...she is [12:55] <JaneMarple9> flitwick was doing the astromery exam wasn't he? [12:55] <atschpe> Question is if she thought she had the time to call for help [12:55] <Sophia40> I was so shocked when I read that the first time! It was unbeliveable that they would turn on her like that! [12:55] <bemused> she seems to have something of a 'saving people thing' [12:55] <futureweasley> no, I think that was Prof. Sinsestra [12:55] <bookworm1102> no i think it was somone else jane [12:55] <Puzzlepiece> lol bemused [12:55] <futureweasley> Sinestra [12:55] <cbm> They almost killed her here, they should be locked up [12:55] <futureweasley> something like that [12:55] <tinkertime> McGonagall isn't one to be shy or always ask for help - I think when she wants to do something - she just does it. [12:55] <futureweasley> I agree cbm [12:56] <NimbusFlyer> Definitely, cbm [12:56] <futureweasley> it was sick! [12:56] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:56] <Puzzlepiece> well Umbridge was, in the end, worse than locked up [12:56] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [12:56] <futureweasley> Why was McGonagall Stunned by 4 wizards and do you think it was a coincidence or because of Umbridge's orders? If because of Umbridge, what do you think were her intentions? Why did the Ministry officials attack McGonagall? Was it cowardly? (Chamber 29/Room 18–The Atrium) [12:56] <Puzzlepiece> welcome Spectre [12:56] <nympheart> definitely, tinker [12:56] <cbm> I do not rememeber her ever firing a shot [12:56] <bookworm1102> umbridge should have been locked up a long time ago smile [12:56] <Spectre> hi all, I'm kinda late today smile [12:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think the situation was out of control at the time. [12:56] <NimbusFlyer> Hi, spectre [12:56] <futureweasley> emotions were funning white hot [12:56] <Expelliarmas> It was cowardly and despicable [12:56] <HPFanatic> well, from what was going on i got the impression that people were just shooting at each other [12:56] <JaneMarple9> sorry future - it was professor tofty [12:56] <nympheart> I think Umbridge may have yelled "stun her!" and more than one person responded [12:56] <Puzzlepiece> Umbridge - if she was killed, the ministry would nto be sued - self defense, etc. if she wasnt, then she was incapacitated - all teh better for Umbridge [12:56] <MrMcGonagall> Umbridge probably saw her coming and shrieked, "Stop her!" and eeryone fired off a shot at the same time. [12:56] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [12:57] <GranjoGranger> Agree MrMc. [12:57] <bemused> it was very cowardly and you would have thought the aurors might have questioned it [12:57] <JaneMarple9> we were both wrong smile [12:57] <cbm> cowardly is a good term. maybe they had orders to fire on anybody he intervened [12:57] <bookworm1102> i think if some where apart of the order the they were trying to keep their cover [12:57] <bemused> wouldn't expect any better of Umbridge [12:57] <tinkertime> it was cowardly and they were not thinking on their own - maybe worried about a job or politcal things, like why do so many follow Hitler type of reasoning [12:57] <NimbusFlyer> And they didn't want to be outdone AGAIN--like in DD's office [12:57] <JaneMarple9> they were cowards turning on McGonagall yes [12:57] <Aquamarine> And McGonagall never fired at them at all! She was just yelling! [12:57] <nympheart> Umbridge would have wanted McGonagall to be put in her place [12:57] <Sophia40> That was wierd ! I just fell off the map! [12:57] <Puzzlepiece> tinker, there are so many studies on that [12:57] *** dizzyshar has joined #lounge [12:57] <JaneMarple9> yes nimbus [12:57] <cbm> Maybe she picked aurors who were toady's just llike herself [12:57] <Expelliarmas> I didn't think much of the Auror Corp when they attacked McGonagall without even a warning [12:58] <GranjoGranger> Good cbm. [12:58] <NimbusFlyer> Yeah, Dawlish--what a toady! [12:58] <Puzzlepiece> John wont be happy about that [12:58] <bookworm1102> wasnt kinglesy w/ them? [12:58] <futureweasley> The stunning of Professor McGonagall... considering this was done in front of witnesses, and she was clearly not warned, was the MoM justified in their actions? What, if any, legal repercussions could Minerva have in regards to the attack? (Chamber 007). [12:58] <cbm> I still do not think much of the auror corp [12:58] <JaneMarple9> smile silly dawlish [12:58] <HPFanatic> well cbm she didnt have to look hard did she lol...i think alot of people were willing to go to great lenghts to stop opposition [12:58] <Aquamarine> thats what i was thinking puzzle [12:58] <tinkertime> true nimbus -they were all Dawlish-like [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> She wouldn't get very far with Fudge's administration, but there was definitely a case to be made. [12:58] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> There's no justice in Fudge's reign. [12:59] <bemused> She'd have a case, but Fudge isn't very big on justice [12:59] <JaneMarple9> too right Mr McG [12:59] <Expelliarmas> There would be no legal reprecussions, the MoM was implicit in the attack and they never admit to being wrong [12:59] <Aquamarine> NO! They are completely un-justified. No warning, and no clear threat from McG! [12:59] <bookworm1102> i think it just proves that the MoM was more coruptted then any one thought [12:59] <Sophia40> They are all corrupt imo [12:59] <tinkertime> Fudge is too worried about self-preservation to do anything for a greater good [12:59] <cbm> In the real world they would be justice, but I have yet to see justice in the wizard world, even in book 6 [12:59] <JaneMarple9> Mr McG's wife was trying to protect Hagrid [12:59] <GranjoGranger> Scrimgeour wouln't be any nicer to her. He just wants to use people. [12:59] <tinkertime> and Umbridge does his dirty work for him [12:59] <futureweasley> Does Voldemort have the power to make Harry see visions during the day, or did Harry only see the vision then because of the drowsy conditions of the exam? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:00] <Aquamarine> Voldemort did it, I think. [13:00] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [13:00] <HPFanatic> LV had the power i think [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> I think LV had come to know how to manipulate the connection. [13:00] <cbm> I think it was because he was asleep [13:00] <futureweasley> I think, in dreams, or dreamlike state, it's less "obvious" to Harry that LV is "planting" [13:00] <JaneMarple9> i think voldie makes harry see what he wants him to see [13:00] <nympheart> Maybe LV contributed to Harry's drowsiness in order for Harry to see the vision? [13:00] <Aquamarine> yep future [13:00] <bookworm1102> i think LV wanted him to see what he saw , but i thought LV knew that he was setting a trap [13:00] <bemused> I think Voldemort can do it any time Harry is receptive [13:00] <JaneMarple9> but the exams may have made harry more vulable [13:00] <futureweasley> he wants Harry to be confused about where the vision came from [13:00] <cbm> Harry had been studying hard and was up late the night before [13:00] <tinkertime> I think when Voldy-thing realized he could gain access to Harry's thoughts, he planned for the perfect time to spring his trap. He could have accessed Harry whenever he wantd to at that point [13:00] <bemused> but it interested me that it was in the daytime [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, tinker. [13:01] <Spectre> hm, the chat doesn't work too well with Opera biggrin [13:01] <atschpe> Voldemort must at least have known the "message" had gone through as Lucius comments on how long they needed [13:01] <JaneMarple9> harry seems to have been to have overworked himself by studying too hard [13:01] <GranjoGranger> I don't think that the time of day was as important as his state of relaxation. If he was on the verge of sleep, then Voldy could get in. [13:01] <bemused> I wondered if it was because Harry was so tired at night that he was sleeping heavily [13:01] <futureweasley> yes atschpe...I agree [13:01] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [13:01] <Sophia40> I think LV takes advantage of Harrys weakened state! [13:01] <NimbusFlyer> Yes futue and bemused [13:01] <bemused> in the exam he just drowsed [13:01] <bookworm1102> and worring about umbridge jane [13:01] <HPFanatic> ok i gotta go guys ... see u next time [13:01] <JaneMarple9> yeah that too [13:01] <HPFanatic> bye [13:01] <cbm> And at this point he still has a long night in front of him [13:01] <huebbe> hello all! [13:01] <JaneMarple9> hi Huebbe [13:01] <Aquamarine> I mean, cause Harry isn't completely clueless.. but by Voldemort accessing his brain when it could have been understandable for Harry to be almost delusional... -------------------- |
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[13:02] <futureweasley> Harry’s previous dreams of the corridor have come at night; do you think there was any particular reason why Voldemort showed him the image of Sirius in daytime? (Chamber 88)
[13:02] <nympheart> impatience [13:02] <GranjoGranger> It isn't a weakened state, it is a meditative state. [13:02] <atschpe> HI Huebbe! [13:02] <huebbe> hi!!!! [13:02] <Spectre> He wanted Harry to react immediately [13:02] <MrMcGonagall> LV needed to get him there at night, when the Ministry was empty. [13:02] *** HPFanatic has quit [Bye] [13:02] <bookworm1102> so the DEs have time to set up their plan [13:02] <JaneMarple9> to encourage harry to go to the ministry [13:02] <tinkertime> i agree w/ bookworm [13:02] <MrMcGonagall> Therefore, the vision needed to occur during the day. [13:02] <dizzyshar> I think it was just timing, that when he put the thought into his head is when he learned that only he or harry could even touch it [13:02] <cbm> He was probably waiting for the 1st time he fell asleep when the plan was ready [13:02] <futureweasley> yes, Sirius was a Harry "hot button" [13:02] <NimbusFlyer> hi huebbe! [13:02] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [13:03] <Aquamarine> It seems like Harry would not really be taken seriously if it was more a daydream... and the examiners just thought he was overworked and over stressed. [13:03] <futureweasley> LV needed Harry to move [13:03] <Sophia40> So H would know it just wasn't a dream. [13:03] <futureweasley> immediately [13:03] <GranjoGranger> Yes, he needed Harry to show up at night. [13:03] <huebbe> I agree, it was to get him there ASAP, LV has no patience Hi nimbus! [13:03] <JaneMarple9> yes sophia - never thought of that [13:03] <futureweasley> Professor Marchbanks examined Dumbledore (waaaaaay back in the day) and was amazed by his skills in Charms and Transfiguration. What do you think he did there and where did he learn the skills? What does this say about Dumbledore? (Room 18–The Atrium and Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:03] <GranjoGranger> He knows the difference now from all the experience. [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> I think Dd was very into experimentation and had a natural flair. [13:04] <NimbusFlyer> More oowerful than Tom Riddle ever was! [13:04] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore has hidden talents [13:04] <cbm> That he has always been a talented wizard [13:04] <futureweasley> I've always thought that Dumbledore was a "self-made" wizard [13:04] <huebbe> I think it is a real question as to where and how DD learned his skills [13:04] <nympheart> I wonder how old that makes Marchbanks? [13:04] <JaneMarple9> i wonder what he could tranfigure himself into if he wanted to? [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> DD's understanding of magic is much deeper than booklearning. [13:04] <Aquamarine> Yes future... he doesn't seem like one to learn so much in a classroom setting [13:04] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [13:04] <huebbe> he speaks languages that confound Harry, and knows all the old magic [13:04] <bemused> It says that he was always immensely gifted - he must have been a Hogwarts student [13:04] <Spectre> Marchbanks is probably around 200 smile [13:04] <bookworm1102> sorry guys i have to leave early today ill see you guys later. smile [13:04] <Puzzlepiece> back all [13:05] <Aquamarine> bye! [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> DD is incredibly intuitive. [13:05] <tinkertime> that's a great question, if you are the most powerful wizard - who could have taught you? How could anyone have figured it out on their own, with out delving into the dark ARTS A BIT? [13:05] <NimbusFlyer> bye bookworm [13:05] <nympheart> DD has been toying with magic on his own for a long time [13:05] <nympheart> bye bookworm [13:05] <futureweasley> I think his thirst for knowledge and his ability to strive for perfection are borderline obsessive...forcing DD to reach and challenge himself every step of the way [13:05] <JaneMarple9> i've wondered if there was another bit of elixer of life for professor marchbanks [13:05] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [13:05] <NimbusFlyer> Lol, Jane [13:05] <Aquamarine> Wow, what future said almost sounds like Voldemort too. [13:05] <Sophia40> It also isolated him to! [13:05] <futureweasley> I think they are very similar in that sense, Aqua [13:06] <NimbusFlyer> interesting parallel, Aqua [13:06] <Aquamarine> But Voldemort's "thirst for knowledge [13:06] <Aquamarine> was more sinister [13:06] <Puzzlepiece> it was more a thirst for pwoer through knowledge [13:06] <futureweasley> Do you think Lupin ever did tell Snape to carry on with the Occlumency? (Chamber 88) [13:06] <Spectre> Voldemort sought power and immortality, and Dumbledore wanted to become wiser [13:06] <Sophia40> Having such a thirst for knowledge and the responsiblity of it all! [13:06] <futureweasley> yes Spectre...exactly [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hmm, I suspect not. [13:06] <NimbusFlyer> Like the mirror and the stone--you can only achieve it if you have a pure heart [13:06] <GranjoGranger> I still think DD was a student at Hogwarts just increddibly gifted alwasy going beyond the classwork. [13:06] <huebbe> but clearly DD and LV's training are completley different [13:06] <bemused> Yes - remember the comment Prof M made right at the beginning of PS - DD has powers that he's too noble to use [13:06] <nympheart> maybe, but obviously didn't have much influence [13:06] <Spectre> Lupin could ask Snape... [13:07] <tinkertime> the knowledge itself isn't good or bad - it's how you use it [13:07] <Aquamarine> Oh yes bemused! [13:07] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused [13:07] <futureweasley> I think Lupin didn't bother...he knew he wasn't going to have a leg to stand on to convince Snape to continue on [13:07] <Sophia40> No1 not that Harry would do it! [13:07] <cbm> Maybe, but I highly doubt snape would listen to Lupin [13:07] <dizzyshar> i think he possibly could have sent the message to him as order members send them, most likely ignored cause of snapes frustration [13:07] <Puzzlepiece> he probably did and it went nowhere [13:07] <JaneMarple9> no snape considers lupin a werewolf [13:08] <futureweasley> WOW! That was a meaty chapter...let's move on on Chapter 32! [13:08] <JaneMarple9> even though lupin diodn't torment snape as much as the othe maurauders did [13:08] <NimbusFlyer> another question is, did Lupin meniton it to DD too? [13:08] <futureweasley> What did you think of Hermione’s efforts to reason with Harry? Could she have done anything different to convince Harry to consider other possibilities? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:08] <Spectre> well, Snape *had* to work with Sirius... so he could at least listen to Lupin's question smile [13:08] <huebbe> I don't think that the conversation would have been sucessful, nor do I really think Snape would have listened to Lupin, he considers him like he considers Sirius and James [13:08] <JaneMarple9> harry was beyond reasoning [13:08] <atschpe> Bye guys – time for me to leave … [13:08] <Aquamarine> I don't think she should have brought up the "saving-people [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione did as much as she could. [13:08] <nympheart> She was thinking off the top of her head, I think she did pretty well [13:08] <huebbe> No, Harry was set on going [13:08] *** atschpe has quit [Bye] [13:08] <Aquamarine> ***thing [13:08] <bemused> HErmione did her best - but Harry was never going to listen. He didn't want her to be right [13:08] <cbm> I think they needed a better plan, instead of using the old one [13:08] <JaneMarple9> something told harry that sirius was in danger [13:09] <Puzzlepiece> it was typical - Hermione warns, they go right ahead, she follows [13:09] <dizzyshar> i think his hatred with lupine was more so that he was a prefect and did not do anything about his friends constantly messing with him [13:09] <Spectre> Nobody could reason with Harry there, even Dumbledore I think [13:09] <huebbe> LV counted on the "saving thing" from Book 4, and he was right [13:09] <cbm> I think a better plan would have been to use a tunnel to get to Hogsmeade and use a floo there [13:09] <NimbusFlyer> If only Harry had remembered the nirrors--Hermione did her best under the stress [13:09] <JaneMarple9> especailly not dumbledore [13:09] <huebbe> i agree [13:09] <bemused> I really felt for HErmione in this chapter because she knew Harry was wrong, she guessed what was happening and still she went ahead and supported him [13:09] <tinkertime> Harry was in a state of mind that I don't think anyone could have changed his mind. Hermione was right, but Harry wouldn't see that until afterwards [13:09] <nympheart> And when Umbridge caught them, they couldn't very well stick around Hogwarts anyway [13:09] <JaneMarple9> the only one to reason with harry is perhaps lupin [13:09] <GranjoGranger> Hermione was oh so right, but Harry absolutely sure of self [13:10] <Puzzlepiece> Hermione is so loyal [13:10] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [13:10] <JaneMarple9> harry usually listens to lupin eventually [13:10] <huebbe> I just have a timing question regarding Snape [13:10] <cbm> Remeber JKR went out of her way here to give Harry very little sleep the nght before, So I think he is not thinking as clearly as he should [13:10] <Sophia40> I gotta go bye! [13:10] <huebbe> bye! [13:10] <Puzzlepiece> bye! [13:10] <tinkertime> this may set-up for Harry to listen more in DH when his friends tell him something [13:10] <nympheart> bye sophia [13:10] *** Sophia40 left #lounge [] [13:10] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron’s actions while Hermione tried to reason with Harry? If Ron is such a great strategist, why didn’t he consider Voldemort was playing Harry? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:10] <NimbusFlyer> bye sophia [13:10] <JaneMarple9> perhaps tinker [13:10] <JaneMarple9> nice idea [13:10] <Puzzlepiece> did he listen any better in HBP? No - Draco is a death eater was 1 case [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> Poor Ron. So confused most of the time. [13:11] <cbm> But in HBP, Harry was right and his frioends were wrong about draco [13:11] <Spectre> Ron believes Harry [13:11] <Spectre> at least this time [13:11] <nympheart> this is a little out of Ron's league [13:11] <Puzzlepiece> but he still didnt listen to them [13:11] <GranjoGranger> The lack of sleep played a huge part, but Harry would have made the same choice. [13:11] <huebbe> because to some extent, Ron is a gut reactions kind of guy, like Harry [13:11] <dizzyshar> cause ron has it burned in his mind that snape is behind everything lol [13:11] <bemused> Ron tends to go along with Harry where Hermione will brave it out [13:11] <cbm> Harry was right about his father, so I think he belives him here [13:11] <tinkertime> MrMcG is right - poor Ron [13:11] <JaneMarple9> yes granjo i think so too [13:11] <Aquamarine> Ron is so loyal to Harry ... he just lets Harry lead and he will always stick next to him. [13:12] <huebbe> I think doesn't know his talent, and it comes and goes [13:12] <huebbe> Ron i mean! [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> As usual, Harry is headstrong, Ron is confused, and Hermione is right. [13:12] <huebbe> agreed [13:12] <NimbusFlyer> ooh, just like quidditch, huebbe [13:12] <dizzyshar> perhaps ron just tries to advoid gettin into any disagreement [13:12] <nympheart> lol MrM, true [13:12] <huebbe> yes! [13:12] <Aquamarine> LOl Mr. McG [13:12] <Expelliarmas> Oddly enough, I don't think of Ron as being a great strategist [13:12] <NimbusFlyer> Lol. Mr/ Mc [13:13] <cbm> but MrM, in HBP, Hermione and Harry switch from that [13:13] <bemused> I think Ron takes fright when Harry gets angry - Hermione bites her lip and carries on [13:13] <futureweasley> Readers often accuse Hermione of cracking under the pressure. Here she shows a real talent for stepping back and seeing the big picture which escapes Harry. She plans "on the spot" and works through the issue at hand, even when others around her are getting overly emotional or caught up in the moment. Discuss how Hermione's abilities will benefit or detriment Harry. (Chamber 007). [13:13] <Expelliarmas> When he has the time to thoroughly consider a move, like in chess, he's fine. But on his feet, not so much. [13:13] <nympheart> Ron isn't familiar with LV's capabilites, I don't think he could have guessed what was going on [13:13] <huebbe> really how far wouuld they argue with him? [13:13] <NimbusFlyer> Well said, Expie [13:13] <JaneMarple9> ron is always frightened when harry loses is temper [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> Harry needs someone like Hermione around to be that voice of reason. [13:13] <tinkertime> Ron is a good stratgist - his chess skill proves it - he just has no self-confidence to put it to use [13:13] <Puzzlepiece> Ron is quite an interesting character [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> Harry is easily carried away by his emotions. [13:14] <bemused> If only Harry will learn to listen to her... [13:14] <Puzzlepiece> hence his saving people thing [13:14] <huebbe> I see that it could possibly limit him, and take him longer to achieve his goal [13:14] <Expelliarmas> I think Hermione has dealt with the bum rap of being susceptible to pressure for far too long [13:14] <tinkertime> This also mirrors the male mauraders - they don't always show common sense [13:14] *** LilaCatsfoot has joined #lounge [13:14] <huebbe> although, it will be practical and strategic [13:14] <nympheart> Hermione freezes when danger is visible and immediate, when she's able to think she could be infinitely valuable to Harry if he'd listen to her [13:14] <Puzzlepiece> welcome [13:14] <tinkertime> Lily is like Hermione (or vice versa) they are the ones w/ common sense, not the guys [13:15] <bemused> I'm inclined to take issue with HArrys 'saving people thing' in this chap, because he's also willing to risk people - his friends [13:15] <Aquamarine> Agreed Nymph [13:15] <futureweasley> I think she freezes because her mind is working overtime...attempting to make the best of the situation [13:15] <cbm> I think when she is left to her own devices she is great, when she defers to authority, so as with draco in HBP, she comes up short, In DH, they will be on their own, so I expect great things form her [13:15] <huebbe> yes tinkertimie! [13:15] <dizzyshar> hermionie has not had nearly as bad and/or emotional things happen in her life as harry has, and with it not directly connected with it, she can take a step back and look at it from the outsite [13:15] <Expelliarmas> so do I, cbm [13:15] <MrMcGonagall> I agree cbm. [13:15] <Puzzlepiece> I think Hermione has grown away from her freezing in front of danger from SS [13:15] <huebbe> her cleaver magic always saves [13:15] <NimbusFlyer> interesting hypothesis, cbm [13:15] <nympheart> very ture dizzy [13:16] <huebbe> yes, she is clearly the more logical one [13:16] <Aquamarine> good point Puzzle [13:16] <Aquamarine> After Dh, it will be really interesting to see how far each of the trio has come [13:16] <dizzyshar> also with her being muggleborn, vold does not see her nearly as a threat [13:17] <futureweasley> What did you make of Harry’s behavior? Was Snape correct after all as to Harry’s inability to master his emotions? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:17] <dizzyshar> as with all death eaters, they will underestimate her greatly in the final book [13:17] <NimbusFlyer> oooh, dizzy and what LV underestimates is always negative for him [13:17] <Expelliarmas> Until Harry finds a way to keep his emotions checked, he's going to have issues [13:17] <huebbe> yes [13:17] <nympheart> Snape was right, but Harry's emotions give him other strengths [13:17] <Aquamarine> Well said. [13:17] <LilaCatsfoot> I don't think Harry will have to master his emotions - they save him. [13:18] <bemused> Yes - Harry's emotions do cause big problems [13:18] <tinkertime> Snape is correct - but Snape also is projecting his weakness to Harry. Snape cannot see that Harry may be able to harness these emotions and use them for good purposes. [13:18] <NimbusFlyer> Snape was right--but so exploitative at the same time [13:18] <futureweasley> I do think that Snape has Harry pegged here [13:18] <Puzzlepiece> his emotion has proved both good and bad through the series [13:18] <Aquamarine> So we have two sides: Harry ability to love that helps him, but his other emotions that hinder him [13:18] <dizzyshar> snape was correct to a degree, however, some of those powers even harry doesnt know he has is shown in a higher emotional state. [13:18] <huebbe> yes and every Book 6 shows him getting better (a bit) until he has the teaching moment with Snape (again) [13:18] <JaneMarple9> snape could have shown harry that he understood the hint [13:18] <Expelliarmas> His emotions give him strength up to a point, it's that fine line he needs to identify and not exceed [13:18] <Puzzlepiece> Snape hit the issue on the head [13:18] <bemused> If only Harry had stopped to think - or had listened to Hermione - the fight in the Ministry need never have happened [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> Snape isn't far off the mark. [13:18] <Spectre> Mastering emotions could be a way to the Dark Arts... [13:18] <Aquamarine> If Harry blocks out all emotions, then he doesn't have an advantage over Voldemort. [13:19] <huebbe> agreed jane, it left Harry hanging [13:19] <GranjoGranger> Oh Yeah, he had to realize that he had fallen into a trap before he took full control of himself. Before that he was controlled, but also certain that he was right. That is easier. [13:19] <futureweasley> Is Hermione right? Does Voldemort really understand and play Harry? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:19] <cbm> But at the time Snape was talking Harry was thinking hateful things, so at that time he is right, will it be different if harry is thinking of positive things [13:19] <bemused> Yes he does [13:19] <nympheart> absolutely! [13:19] <tinkertime> bemused is right - Harry need to learn to use his emotions - not let them control him [13:19] <Puzzlepiece> Yes, of course [13:19] <LilaCatsfoot> I suppose Harry needs to have a certain amount of control, but not necessarily complete control [13:19] <Expelliarmas> Hermione is right, LV does get Harry and exploits him (with Snape's help ...) [13:19] <Spectre> He wouldn't have used Sirius in the vision if he didn't understand [13:19] <futureweasley> haha Expie [13:19] <huebbe> no, I do not think LV really understands Harry, how could he? LV cannot love nor have emotion other than hate [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Hermione is right. LV plays it exactly right. [13:19] <cbm> Yes, Voldemort is playing on what he considers Harry's weakness. [13:19] <Aquamarine> Voldemort understands Harry, with the exception of his ability to love, which will possible save Harry in the end [13:19] <Puzzlepiece> but he still doesnt truely understand - he himself does not love [13:20] <NimbusFlyer> Expie goes parenthectical again biggrin [13:20] <GranjoGranger> He Unerstands Harry's Weaknesses! [13:20] <nympheart> good point huebbe, how about LV sees Harry as predictable? [13:20] <futureweasley> Hermione hit the nail right on the head when she told Harry about his saving-people thing and said Voldemort is clever enough to use that against him. Is this a weakness for Harry? (Chamber 88) [13:20] <Expelliarmas> Kreacher has fed the Malfoy's with a steady diet of info on Harry, Snape completes the analysis (Expe loves parentheticals) [13:20] <bemused> There are emotions and emotions, aren't there? Harry's been living on anger int his book and that isn't love [13:20] <Aquamarine> Oh definetly. [13:20] <huebbe> yes predictable, but I think thats it [13:20] <Spectre> It's dialectic [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> LV doesn't understand sympathetically or empathically what Harry feels, but he recognizes it and regards it as a weakness. [13:20] <dizzyshar> I think he believes he undstands and tries to play him, however, he also believes he can be able to posess him, so he learns that there is more to him than meets the eye. [13:21] <Expelliarmas> LV understands enough to exploit Harry [13:21] <GranjoGranger> It is not a weakness, but it is a vulnerability. [13:21] <huebbe> but LV has no concept of love or pure undieing devotion [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> Well put, Granjo [13:21] <tinkertime> Harry needs to listen to his advisors (who are rapidly diminishing in numbers) if he took their advise he could react but be effective [13:21] <dizzyshar> makes you wonder if snape has reported to LV what all he saw durning those lessions [13:21] <huebbe> LV would not protect a rat, and Harry would protect the world [13:21] <cbm> "Slytherins are brave, yes, but not stupid. For instance, given the choice, we will always choose to save our own necks." Is probabl;y what Voldemort thinks is the proper attitude [13:21] <bemused> No one would want Harry to stop caring, or to be less brave, but he does need to stop and think [13:21] <huebbe> HUGE difference [13:22] <Spectre> Voldemort protected Bella in the Ministry... [13:22] <tinkertime> diizy - also makes you wonder if LV could have seen Snapes\'s weaknesses through his ability to get into harry's mind [13:22] <huebbe> only because she was a follower, not because he cared about her [13:22] <Puzzlepiece> but that was because he needed her to serve him more [13:22] <Aquamarine> Really though? Was it protection or the desire to just get out of the situation? [13:22] <GranjoGranger> He can depend on her therefore he needs her. [13:22] <bemused> I think LV took Bella off to give her a good kicking, Spectre [13:22] <huebbe> get out of the situation [13:22] <futureweasley> I think that, generally speaking, something that makes you vulnerable IS a weakness. [13:22] <Aquamarine> If Bella wasn't right there, Voldemort would have left her like he left Lucius. [13:22] <nympheart> I think he was grabbing what was his so he could still have it later [13:22] <Expelliarmas> LOL! I think so too, bemused [13:23] <huebbe> I can LV saving her only to punish her [13:23] <LilaCatsfoot> I agree, nympheart [13:23] <NimbusFlyer> lol. Spectre--and he probably didn't want her back in Azkaban [13:23] <dizzyshar> oh yes, he did protect and possibly save bella, does that mean he now has a life debt from her? not that she wouldnt do it anyway lol [13:23] <futureweasley> however, I see Harry's "saving-people" thing as noble...it speaks to his character more than the vulnerability would. [13:23] <LilaCatsfoot> She is a tool for him that he wants to keep for his usage [13:23] <huebbe> opps got to go [13:23] <Expelliarmas> besides, LV had to have some minions left! There aren't that many DEs to begin with [13:23] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [13:23] <Aquamarine> lol [13:23] <cbm> There were about 30 in the graveyard [13:24] <nympheart> and then ten out of Azkaban [13:24] <tinkertime> saving people is noble - and if Harry can master his emotions he will be able to do it better [13:24] <Puzzlepiece> and its not as popular now to join as it was [13:24] <Spectre> Bella's life wasn't endangered, so it's not a life debt [13:24] <NimbusFlyer> were there that many. thanks cbm--this is where the movies trhow me off--with visuals [13:24] <GranjoGranger> Lots of them will be in Azkaban after this episode. [13:24] <dizzyshar> death eaters are sadly easy to come by, with all the slytherns out there [13:24] <tinkertime> not all Slytherins are DEs [13:24] <Expelliarmas> not all Slytherins become DEs, though [13:24] <bemused> Harry's wanting to dash into the lion's mouth to save Sirius was noble - it just worries me that he was willing to risk his friends to so it. He didn't think of their danger until it was too late [13:24] <LilaCatsfoot> I wouldn't think that every Slytherin would be a DE [13:24] <futureweasley> Harry immediately thought of McGonagall as an Order member and sought her help. Had she been around, what do you think McGonagall would have done? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:24] <LilaCatsfoot> Slughorn, for instance [13:24] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [13:24] <cbm> When I read that in the last reading group I was surprised [13:25] <Spectre> she could send a Patronus to Sirius, like Snape did [13:25] <dizzyshar> true, but they would be the most easy to persuade [13:25] <LilaCatsfoot> McGonagall would have been able to communicate with Sirius [13:25] <bemused> I think she would have contacted Sirius [13:25] <Expelliarmas> McGonagall could have Apparated to #12 to find out where Sirius was [13:25] <cbm> I think she would have gone direct to where sirius was [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> She wouldn't have told him to break into Umbridge's office, I guarantee you that. [13:25] <Puzzlepiece> McGonagall would have proved that Sirius was at 12 Grim Place [13:25] <nympheart> Alerted DD and gotten his opinion, and then probably tried to arrange Harry to talk to Sirius [13:25] <NimbusFlyer> and communicate with DD too [13:25] <Aquamarine> McGonagall certainly would not have let them go to the ministry [13:25] <tinkertime> she would have rounded up the OoTP and had them investigate - but harry probably wouldn't have wanted to wait anyway [13:25] <JaneMarple9> i think McGonagall would had communicated with dumbledore and sirius immediately [13:25] <dizzyshar> I think she would have taken him to her office while she tried to contact headquarters herself. [13:26] <LilaCatsfoot> I always hate the fact that Harry didn't ever open the gift from Sirius - the mirror [13:26] <GranjoGranger> She would have sorted it out. [13:26] <Spectre> If Harry wouldn't listen to McGonagall, she'd Stupefy him or transfigure into something sessile biggrin [13:26] <Puzzlepiece> so, really, LV was not as smart as he could have been, for had she been there his plan would have blown up in his face.We give him more credit than he deserves [13:26] <cbm> Maybe that is why they got McG out of the way, so she would not be ariound for harry to go to. After all she was only attacked the night before [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Well, LV was taking a gamble, but he wasn't risking much. [13:26] <dizzyshar> that i believe is why she needed to be out of the way for the events to take place like they did [13:26] <LilaCatsfoot> But it wasn't LV who got McG out of the way [13:26] <NimbusFlyer> or that's how he picked that day [13:26] <LilaCatsfoot> Yeah, maybe [13:26] <futureweasley> Why did Harry fail to remember Snape was an Order member? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:26] <bemused> But that would make Umbridge and the aurors DEs [13:26] <GranjoGranger> Yes but he probably knew that. [13:27] <Expelliarmas> Simple, he despises Snape [13:27] <Spectre> because Harry hated him [13:27] <nympheart> because Snape is not a nice person that Harry thinks of when he needs help [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> Snape's not exactly the first person Harry would ever go to for hep. [13:27] <LilaCatsfoot> Out of pride, Snape is probably the last person Harry would think of as being helpful [13:27] <Aquamarine> Harry has never trusted Snape, so he wouldn't think of him immediately [13:27] <bemused> Because he hates Sanpe - but I was surprised Hermione didn't think of him [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> help [13:27] <GranjoGranger> Harry does not think of Snape that way. [13:27] <futureweasley> Harry doesn't think Snape IS a member of the Order [13:27] <NimbusFlyer> Snape has never offered his overt help to Harry [13:27] <LilaCatsfoot> Yeah, bemused - Hermione should have [13:27] <Aquamarine> Yea future [13:27] <LilaCatsfoot> fw, I think at this point, he does [13:27] <cbm> the chain is Voldemort -> Lucius -> Fudge -> Umbridge, maybe she was influence to take out McG [13:28] <Expelliarmas> Frankly, for Harry it is next to impossible to associate Snape as an Order member as he seems the antithesis of an Order member [13:28] <Puzzlepiece> i doubt it [13:28] <Aquamarine> Not completely though Lila [13:28] <LilaCatsfoot> I think Harry trusts Snape a lot more in OotP than in HBP [13:28] <bemused> But Harry was keen enough to have Snape's help once he had realised [13:28] <tinkertime> because of his prejudice against Snape -this is important for Harry to overcome as it will differentiate him from LV+DE [13:28] <GranjoGranger> Maybe Hermione doesn't believe it either. [13:28] <Puzzlepiece> it was too much an umbridge only thing [13:28] <futureweasley> I disagree, Lila. I don't think Harry ever trusts Snape [13:28] <futureweasley> and, I think, if he did, THAT's when he would accept Snape as a member of the Order [13:28] <Spectre> also... thinking of Sirius, Snape would probably be the last person that comes to mind [13:29] <dizzyshar> perhaps he did but did not think he would help till he refused to give her the potion she requested...that i think was the trigger [13:29] <Puzzlepiece> true [13:29] <futureweasley> just my opinion, or course. :smile: [13:29] <NimbusFlyer> good point, Spctre [13:29] <cbm> Snape has never done anything to make Harry trust him. and I think he needed someone he trusted at that moment [13:29] <futureweasley> What did you think of Hermione’s plan to gain access to the Toad’s fire? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:29] <GranjoGranger> I agree. When Harry made the cryptic remark to Snape, it was a last ditch effort to get help. [13:29] <NimbusFlyer> Not good. Not good. [13:29] <bemused> Desperation [13:29] <LilaCatsfoot> Pretty risky, obviously [13:30] <Spectre> Jury-rigged... do I use the right term? smile [13:30] <cbm> I think they needed a better plan. It was a rehash of the previous plan [13:30] <nympheart> she decided that Harry's present mood was more dangerous than the possibility of getting caught [13:30] <Puzzlepiece> brilliant [13:30] <tinkertime> Hermione's plans are always a bit complicated (like the poly-juice potion) [13:30] <Aquamarine> Hermione isn't usually the one to break the rules, but when she gets desperate I think she can't think clearly [13:30] <Puzzlepiece> extremely quick thinking [13:30] <NimbusFlyer> Wlee said, cbm. Much too close. [13:30] <GranjoGranger> Needed more help. Should have summoned DA. [13:30] <LilaCatsfoot> They were just so stuck for what to do and do quickly [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Risky, but there wasn't any other way (since Harry was such an idiot about the mirrors). [13:30] <futureweasley> Is there absolutely no way to trace floo-traveling other than regulation? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:30] <Aquamarine> But when Hermione has the chance to step back and think (like with the Forbidden Forrest thing) she can come up with good plans [13:31] <cbm> I think a better plan would have been a secret passage to Hogsmeade and use floo from there [13:31] <nympheart> interesting question [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> I wouldn't think so. [13:31] <Spectre> Maybe, some voice-recording device? [13:31] <tinkertime> maybe they need a tracking device - like GPS for wizards [13:31] <JaneMarple9> laugh [13:31] <dizzyshar> only thing i could think of is only allowing certain people access to the powder. [13:31] <cbm> I have no idea [13:31] <JaneMarple9> or maybe like the weasley clock [13:31] <Spectre> To floo, someone has to tell the fireplace where one needs to go, so his voice is heard [13:31] <Spectre> his/her, that is [13:32] <LilaCatsfoot> There might be a way to trace the magic [13:32] <futureweasley> I think there could be some sort of spell cast on the fireplace...kind of like a "turnstyle" [13:32] <Puzzlepiece> there is - we see on the cave in HBP [13:32] <Spectre> so voice recognition would work [13:32] <dizzyshar> gotta go..take care all smile [13:32] <LilaCatsfoot> It's not clear what exactly they do to watch the Floo Network -------------------- |
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[13:32] <futureweasley> Kreacher. Nasty. What did you think of his actions? (Room 18–The Atrium)
[13:32] <GranjoGranger> Well someone is always checking the floo network so there was not much to gain there. [13:32] <Aquamarine> bye ! [13:32] <NimbusFlyer> intersting association, Puxxle [13:32] <JaneMarple9> evil [13:32] <Expelliarmas> bye [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> Kreacher disgusts me. [13:32] *** dizzyshar has quit [Connection reset by peer] [13:32] <LilaCatsfoot> He's a sociopath [13:32] <NimbusFlyer> bye Expie! [13:32] <bemused> Kreacher is just being Kreacher [13:32] <Spectre> Kreacher hated his master... and Harry, for that matter [13:32] <Aquamarine> Oh kreacher... [13:33] <JaneMarple9> and a traitor to sirius [13:33] <cbm> he should join his relatives on the wall [13:33] <bemused> thoroughly nasty piece of work [13:33] <Expelliarmas> nice try, Nimbus, I'm not leaving yet [13:33] <JaneMarple9> he sent sirius to his death [13:33] <GranjoGranger> Kreacher unthinkable. Kreacher deserves beheadding. [13:33] <NimbusFlyer> He is the product of how he has been treated [13:33] <cbm> He was a traitor to all of them [13:33] <JaneMarple9> yep granjo! [13:33] <LilaCatsfoot> I don't know how much being more respectful to him would have helped. DD seemed to think it would. [13:33] <nympheart> except that wouldn't be a punishment, granjo [13:33] <Puzzlepiece> Krecher Dangerous Die Sirius [13:33] <Aquamarine> What was that again puzzle? [13:34] <bemused> Over time I think it would have, Lila, or it could have [13:34] <LilaCatsfoot> He was already pretty round the twist. [13:34] <tinkertime> Kreacher is like the MoM for house elves - all politics, no honor - but I think this ties to the enslavement of the HE and what it takes to develop a sense of self under those conditions. That's what makes Dobby so exceptional [13:34] <Aquamarine> that was saint mungos right? [13:34] <cbm> I think it was the time alone with the portrait that was his undoing, not the time with sirius [13:34] <JaneMarple9> yes nymph - kreacher may have considered it a honour [13:34] <NimbusFlyer> Yay! [13:34] <Spectre> I think Kreacher was told what he should do by Malfoys [13:34] <bemused> or in any case, treating him better would have reflected better on Sirius [13:34] <Puzzlepiece> the sign on St Mungos - if you read the first word of each line it tells you (different spelling) Kreacher Dangerous Die Sirius [13:34] <LilaCatsfoot> I agree, cbm, he was pretty far gone before Sirius returned. [13:34] <Aquamarine> which page is that in the book? When they first see st mungos? [13:35] <futureweasley> Was Kreacher taking his orders from the Malfoys, Bellatrix, or Voldemort? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:35] <JaneMarple9> thats intereing puzzle [13:35] <GranjoGranger> Malfoys [13:35] <Spectre> Malfoys [13:35] <Puzzlepiece> (Creature induced inkjuries. Dangerous- ____. Dae Llewelyn ward. Sirius Bites) [13:35] <LilaCatsfoot> Bellatrix, but she would have been led by LV [13:35] <nympheart> probably indirectly from LV [13:35] <Expelliarmas> I think all three: directly from the Malfoys, indirectly from LV. And, he adores Bella [13:35] <tinkertime> Bellatrix - he sees her as his true mistress [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Malfoys, perhaps Bellatriz as well. [13:35] <Spectre> Though Bella probably lived in Malfoy Mansion... [13:35] <futureweasley> well, Bella is a Malfoy-in-law [13:35] <cbm> Voldemrt via Bella and Narcissa [13:35] <bemused> Bellatrix and the Malfoys [13:36] <Spectre> Bella and the Malfoys... a Wizard Rock band biggrin [13:36] <bemused> he is rather keen on her [13:36] <futureweasley> Do you think Kreacher would have offered any information about the Department of Mysteries if Harry hadn't fed him the information? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:36] <bemused> lol Spectre [13:36] <Aquamarine> that St. Mungo's thing is on page 487 in the USA edition [13:36] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:36] <futureweasley> hi Pleshette! [13:36] <Puzzlepiece> welcome [13:36] <GranjoGranger> hi [13:36] <Pleshette> Hello! [13:36] <NimbusFlyer> hello, Pleshtte [13:36] <cbm> Not really, but he is an irrational character, so he is hard to predict [13:36] <bemused> hello Pleshette! [13:36] <Aquamarine> hey [13:37] <tinkertime> I don't think HEs have the freedom to do that. Harry opened the door for Kreature to betray him [13:37] <Spectre> Kreacher won't, Kreacher won't, Kreacher won't! smile [13:37] <LilaCatsfoot> Hard to say [13:37] <JaneMarple9> [13:37] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:37] <Aquamarine> Nope, nothing at all sad [13:37] <Puzzlepiece> Kreacher had too much animosity against them to help even if he wasnt bound not to [13:37] <futureweasley> how would Kreacher have known? [13:37] <Expelliarmas> He would have been told by the Malfoys, fw [13:37] <cbm> Kreacher was part of the plan [13:37] <NimbusFlyer> good question, future--He put 2 and 2 together [13:38] <futureweasley> ah, very keen observation, Expie [13:38] <Puzzlepiece> when he escaped shortly before christmas end [13:38] <cbm> So he may have known [13:38] <LilaCatsfoot> I would think that Kreacher would have been instructed to lead Harry to the Dept. of Myst. if Harry wasn't coming up with it himself. [13:38] <bemused> Kreacher was in on the plan because he knew to get Sirius out of the way [13:38] <Spectre> though... how could they know that Harry would try and contact Kreacher? [13:38] <Aquamarine> how much would they have told Kreacher though? [13:38] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [13:38] <NimbusFlyer> Would Lucius rick telling creatrue LV's plan? [13:38] <bemused> he even seemed to know when to get Sirius out of hte way.... [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think Kreacher overheard some of the plan at the Malfoys. [13:38] <Puzzlepiece> w/e Kreacher overheard [13:38] <tinkertime> when kreacher went missing - who knows what happened [13:38] <cbm> He was trying to contact Sirius and Kreacher intercepted the floo call [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> Obviously Lucius was in on it. [13:38] <LilaCatsfoot> They probably wanted to cover their bases, and told Kreacher enough for him to play his part. [13:38] <futureweasley> I think that was a leap of faith, Spectre [13:38] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:38] <futureweasley> Given Harry’s heightened emotions, what do you think would have happened if Hermione had questioned Kreacher instead? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:39] <GranjoGranger> Same thing. [13:39] <JaneMarple9> nothing i don't think [13:39] <LilaCatsfoot> I don't know that it would have mattered. [13:39] <Puzzlepiece> the whole end of the book was purely leaps of faith thoughfw [13:39] <Pleshette> interesting question [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she would have gotten anywhere. [13:39] <Spectre> Kreacher would say "buzz off you mudblood!" [13:39] <cbm> the same thing [13:39] <bemused> Pretty much the same, I should think - he would despise her for being Muggleborn [13:39] <futureweasley> Harry would still have been going ballistic, but Hermione would have startled Kreacher [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, Spectre [13:39] <tinkertime> Hermione would have been lees trustful - because she hadn't already seen the torture of Sirius in her dreams [13:39] <JaneMarple9> kreacher didn't think much of hermione the mudblood too [13:39] <Pleshette> that's true spectre, he probably wouldn't have talked to her at all [13:39] <futureweasley> I think that Kreacher would have given away that he was "up to something" if Hermione has questioned him [13:39] <GranjoGranger> Kreacher hates the lot of them. [13:39] <Spectre> and Ron also wouldn't stand a chance - as a blood traitor [13:39] <NimbusFlyer> They sure did time it close to the wire [13:40] <bemused> she might have noticed his bandaged hands [13:40] <NimbusFlyer> with Buckbeak's injury [13:40] <JaneMarple9> kreacher won't, kreacher won't kreacher won't laugh [13:40] <futureweasley> you know who quirky he acted when Hermione would speak to him, though. [13:40] <futureweasley> totally freaked him out [13:40] <cbm> With Hermione's feelings towards house elves, would she have been more likely to believe him [13:40] <NimbusFlyer> ture, cbm [13:40] <Puzzlepiece> Hermione wouldnt have gotten any info out of him. She would be too kind [13:40] <futureweasley> that's a good observation, too cbm [13:40] <JaneMarple9> perhaps cbm [13:41] <GranjoGranger> Surprised kreacher did not give himself away by dancing a jig. [13:41] <Spectre> I wonder how Kreacher would react to Luna or Neville questioning him biggrin [13:41] <Puzzlepiece> lol [13:41] <futureweasley> The Toad yanks Harry out of the fire by his hair and finds the idea of using the Cruciatus Curse exciting. Bella later tells us you really have to mean it, to enjoy the infliction of pain to use the Cruciatus Curse. The Toad gets excited about it and gleefully sets about using it on Harry. What did you think of this? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:41] <Kneazly> He probably would have given the same info, but in that false "the mudblood is talking to me, she wants to know where Sirius has gone" thing he does [13:41] <cbm> lol [13:41] <bemused> I wonder if Kreacher was in contact with the Malfoys in some way [13:41] <JaneMarple9> same way spectre [13:41] <bemused> Absloutely repellent [13:41] <Puzzlepiece> How did she yank him by the hair without burning her hand? [13:41] <JaneMarple9> except if draco questioned him [13:41] <NimbusFlyer> She boils my blood [13:41] <futureweasley> that's what I think, too, Kneazley [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> I think Umbridge is totally capable of casting an effective Cruciatus. [13:41] <cbm> he is an evil woman [13:41] <Aquamarine> She is AWFUL. [13:41] <LilaCatsfoot> She's pretty sick. She enjoyed making Harry use that quill, too. [13:41] <JaneMarple9> she's totally evil [13:42] <bemused> Sadistic [13:42] <Puzzlepiece> she could definitely do it [13:42] <Pleshette> I think so too Mr.McG [13:42] <cbm> she is an evil woman [13:42] <GranjoGranger> Disgusting [13:42] <Aquamarine> To WANT to inflict pain on another human being that much, when they have no means to defend themselves [13:42] <Spectre> Umbridge likes to cause pain [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the Cruciatus is just the next step up from her quill. [13:42] <tinkertime> Umbridge has all of the requirements to be a great DE - but the fact that in her mind, she thinks she is acting for the good, in a way makes her more dangerous [13:42] <NimbusFlyer> I agree, Mr. Mc [13:42] <Pleshette> she's willing to go to any means to get what she wants [13:42] <Aquamarine> Yep TinkerTime [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> She enjoys causing pain on those she hates. [13:42] <cbm> delusional [13:42] <NimbusFlyer> yes, Tinker [13:42] <Spectre> she would probably torture Harry into insanity, like Bella did to Longbottoms... [13:42] <Kneazly> She does try to justify herself, but it makes you shrink back in horror [13:42] <Aquamarine> Which makes her pretty dangerous [13:42] <GranjoGranger> All of the above. [13:43] <tinkertime> delusional is a good way to put it cmb [13:43] <futureweasley> Why did Neville defend Ginny? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:43] <Spectre> She's a fellow DA member [13:43] <GranjoGranger> She is a DA member. [13:43] <bemused> Because he's very brave - and she's nice to him [13:43] * futureweasley resists the need to "ship" at this exact moment [13:43] <Pleshette> She's also defended him in the past...their friends [13:43] <Spectre> And... wasn't it mentioned somewhere that there was something between them at one point? [13:43] <Puzzlepiece> he cares for her a bit like a sister. she went to the ball with him [13:43] <tinkertime> cause Neville is a very noble person - who is finally coming into his own [13:43] <Pleshette> exactly tinkertime [13:43] <cbm> Maybe he still likes her, but I think he would have defended anyone at that moment [13:44] <nympheart> Neville doesn't have any very close friends, but he went to the Yule Ball with Ginny and their both in the DA, so she's the next thing [13:44] <Aquamarine> I don't think Neville wouldn [13:44] <Aquamarine> t save someone because he didn't like them thought, he's a good person. [13:44] <futureweasley> yes, I think that Neville respects Ginny, and appreciates her willingness to be friends with him [13:44] <NimbusFlyer> He is a caring person--he put his life on the line for all his friends [13:44] <tinkertime> nimbus is right [13:44] <Aquamarine> He's also brave: a side of him we haven't seen since SS [13:44] <Puzzlepiece> Neville, having already been picked on by many, stands up for anyone else who he sees defenseless. He wants to prove that he can stand up to adversity too [13:44] <futureweasley> it's obvious he is fond of her...no matter what the root of that fondness [13:44] <Spectre> I think if there was someone else, Neville would still defend this person [13:45] <Aquamarine> Nice Puzzle! [13:45] *** LilaCatsfoot has quit [Bye] [13:45] <GranjoGranger> all of that helps but neville would have defended any DA member. [13:45] <bemused> Constantly under-rated and extremely brave [13:45] <NimbusFlyer> Well said, future [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...view=getnewpost [13:45] <tinkertime> bemused is right - we'll see the "real neveille" in DH [13:45] <futureweasley> It was the Toad who sic-ed the dementors on Harry in an effort to discredit and silence Harry. The Toad took it upon itself to force the action. Think back to the hearing and the exchange concerning the dementors. How do the Toad’s actions implicate the Ministry? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:46] *** sikamikanico has joined #lounge [13:46] <nympheart> oblivious to things going on within it as well as outside of it [13:46] <futureweasley> hi sikamikanico [13:46] <Spectre> Did Fudge really know about dementors? [13:46] <Aquamarine> probably not [13:46] <Kneazly> Implicated by sins of omission--they weren't willing to investigate properly. And they had been talking about discrediting Harry anyway [13:46] <Puzzlepiece> No, Fudge didnt. that was umbridge alone [13:46] <Pleshette> no I think it was all Umbridge [13:46] <nympheart> I don't think he did [13:46] <Aquamarine> Umbridge was acting alone [13:46] <sikamikanico> hi there [13:46] <GranjoGranger> I don't think Fudge knew. [13:46] <tinkertime> the corruption within the Mom is so bad, that it's had to see how they will turn it around - it seems like a lost cause [13:46] <NimbusFlyer> The Ministry's refusal to fight evil makes them as cupable as LV for all the evil and violence he wrecks [13:46] <Aquamarine> hey [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Fudge actually knew what Umbridge had done. [13:46] <Puzzlepiece> hi sikam [13:46] <Expelliarmas> Ah, but Fudge was happy to take advantage of that situation [13:47] <sikamikanico> hey puzzle [13:47] <Aquamarine> yes expie [13:47] <cbm> I think the toad was the only one to know about the dementors [13:47] <GranjoGranger> Exactly [13:47] <tinkertime> Expell is right [13:47] <Spectre> "The right hand doesn't know what left hand does"... [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Fudge was just glad to take advantage of the situation. [13:47] <bemused> They were talking about silencing him and looking for ways to discredit him - she just did the deed [13:47] <sikamikanico> so what are you guys talking about in here? [13:47] <Puzzlepiece> maybe one of her cronies, a percy-like person, but nobody important [13:47] <Aquamarine> But the toad thought she was doing to right by the ministry, so even in fudge found out she wouldn't get into trouble [13:47] <cbm> Would he have been just as happy if Harry had been kissed [13:47] <Puzzlepiece> all of them talked. she acted [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Chapters 31-32 of OotP, sikamikanico [13:47] <futureweasley> I will be asking another question regarding OotP in just a moment sikamikanico [13:47] <Kneazly> I think she may have gotten into trouble--Madam bones would not have approved [13:48] <GranjoGranger> I think not on the kiss. [13:48] <sikamikanico> ok let me get my book lol [13:48] <futureweasley> What did you think of Snape’s behavior? Was he trying to help Harry or not? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> I think he was, actually. [13:48] <cbm> Not [13:48] <bemused> Yes - I think he was [13:48] <Puzzlepiece> I think at this point he was [13:48] <futureweasley> lol [13:48] <GranjoGranger> Could she have thought that she could restrict dementors to derwssion? [13:48] <Aquamarine> Yes, because we learn later that he contacted sirius [13:48] <bemused> and I really like the fact that he helped Neville [13:49] <Kneazly> Yes. His response about the babbling beverage is meant to tell Harry he's got it wrong [13:49] <Puzzlepiece> he called up the Order and saved their necks [13:49] <tinkertime> trying to help, yes - but he had to have conflicting thoughts, since he hated Sirius so much [13:49] <Spectre> He did what he could [13:49] <futureweasley> I actually think that Snape didn't want Sirius to die [13:49] <tinkertime> maybe he could have done more [13:49] <bemused> I think this is one of Snape's best moments [13:49] <Aquamarine> Snape has enough guilt [13:49] <Puzzlepiece> though, one could order he only did that because, had he not, DD would have realized that he was working for LV [13:49] <NimbusFlyer> I think he could have done a lot more to hurt Harry had he wanted to--but he can't find it in himself to care for him [13:49] <nympheart> how long did he wait before he called the Order [13:49] <tinkertime> but keeping his spy-cover always seems to over-rule assisting OoTP members [13:49] <futureweasley> and, for some sick, twisted reason, I don't think that Snape wanted Sirius to die because Snape knew what Sirius meant to Harry [13:49] <Aquamarine> didn't he contact them right then? [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, tinker. [13:49] <Puzzlepiece> as soon as he realized they left nymph [13:49] <futureweasley> (OMG, did I just seriously say that?!) [13:50] <Kneazly> I think he called them right away, but it didn't take long for Hermione to get them out of Umbridge's office. [13:50] <cbm> If he is trying to help Harry, why did it take 2 calls to get all of Harry's message accross [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know that I would go that far, future. [13:50] <Spectre> interesting what "happy thoughts" Snape used to create his Patronus smile [13:50] <Aquamarine> Lol, future, that is very twisted [13:50] <futureweasley> I'm becoming a Snape fan-girl? [13:50] <Puzzlepiece> nice future [13:50] <sikamikanico> lol [13:50] <cbm> We do not know the actual time of the 1st call [13:50] <Spectre> Sirius' death?.. THAT would be a twist [13:50] <futureweasley> expie, help! [13:50] <NimbusFlyer> LOL future [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he cares about Sirius, but he's concerned about what crazy thing Harry might do. [13:50] <Puzzlepiece> for nw. [13:50] <futureweasley> ok, yeah MrMcG...I like that better [13:50] <bemused> (and he did help Neville...) [13:50] <Puzzlepiece> for now* [13:51] <Aquamarine> And if he doesn't protect Harry, he will blow his cover with DD [13:51] <futureweasley> What would Snape have done if Harry had gone to him right away? Would he have helped, hindered or ignored the situation? (Chamber 007). [13:51] <Aquamarine> whether he is good or evil [13:51] <Aquamarine> Hindered [13:51] <Spectre> Snape would tell Harry to "close his mind" [13:51] <nympheart> ignored [13:51] <Puzzlepiece> he might have ignored it to his face, or told him "there's nothing to worry about, Potter," with a sneer [13:51] <cbm> We find out later that there are 2 calls to sirius that night, one to check on sirius and one to tell him where Harry was going [13:51] <bemused> That's a loaded question because it depends what you think of Snape [13:51] <Kneazly> I agree Puzzle [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think Snape would have seen right through LV's plan. [13:51] <bemused> I think he would have contacted DD and Sirius [13:51] <futureweasley> see, all I can see is when BCS and Viktor Krum were out in the Forbidden Forest and Snape blocked Harry from getting to DD. I see Snape as a hinderence...always [13:51] <NimbusFlyer> if he had contacted DD--he could have helped [13:52] <cbm> I think he would have ignored the situation [13:52] <futureweasley> (aah, I'm feeling better now) [13:52] <tinkertime> like Mche would have helped - but in a more cautious manner - and I don't think Harry would have trusted him or waited [13:52] <GranjoGranger> Definitely slowed things down even tho he would have to help eventually to keep his cover. [13:52] <Spectre> Hindered - helped in the way that would seem too slow to Harry at the point [13:52] <bemused> He would have been kind and cuddly but I think he would have helped (like he helped Neville) [13:52] <futureweasley> Did Snape catch anything of what Harry was trying to convey during his eye contacts with him? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:52] <NimbusFlyer> *breaks off some chocolate for future* Future, would you like a bite--it'll make you feel better? [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> He would not have dealt kindly with the overwrought Harry, but he would have helped set things sstraight. [13:53] <Kneazly> He would have helped, but I'm not sure he would have let Harry know clearly enough. he'd want him to get into trouble somehwo [13:53] <futureweasley> thank you Nimbus! [13:53] <cbm> Yes [13:53] <Pleshette> Yes, I think he did [13:53] <tinkertime> He got it all. [13:53] <futureweasley> I appreciate your kindness [13:53] <nympheart> I think he got it [13:53] <Spectre> probably [13:53] <bemused> Yes - I'm sure he did [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think Snape understood what Harry was saying. [13:53] <Puzzlepiece> probably [13:53] <Aquamarine> Maybe bits and pieces [13:53] <tinkertime> I agree with MRmcG [13:53] <futureweasley> then there was that archaic message Harry yelled at him [13:53] <cbm> But then the order does not get the whole message in the first call [13:53] <Aquamarine> Enough to understand [13:53] <GranjoGranger> He understood. [13:53] <Puzzlepiece> I think the eye contact verified what he thought the code meant [13:53] <futureweasley> I think between that, and the occlumency, he understood [13:53] <bemused> because DD says later that he did and passed the message on [13:54] <tinkertime> being nasty to harry is not the same as not helping [13:54] <Kneazly> Difficult to say--doesn't he always say "legilimens" during lessons--but he's good at n vb. [13:54] <cbm> He knew enough later to know that Harry was going to the DoM [13:54] <Pleshette> They make that eye contact...and walking into such a tense situation...I'm sure he picked up Harry's message [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Harry dropped a pretty obvious coded expression that only Snape would have understood. [13:54] <futureweasley> Why was Draco unable to conceal his excitement at the thought of the Cruciatus Curse used on Harry or his greed at the idea of the weapon in the forest? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:54] <GranjoGranger> Harry was totally transparant. [13:54] <JaneMarple9> yeah [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Draco's a Slytherin, all right. [13:55] <NimbusFlyer> I agree--Mr. Mc. I think it was the code more than the thoughts [13:55] <Puzzlepiece> because Draco is a git. [13:55] <JaneMarple9> snape was very unfair, not showing harry he got the clue [13:55] <bemused> He hadn't learned Occlumency from Auntie Bella yet [13:55] <Expelliarmas> a little foreshadowing of his future DE membership [13:55] <nympheart> Draco thought that he liked seeing fighting action [13:55] <cbm> the curse made him gleeful [13:55] <Aquamarine> Because Draco is similiar to Harry , he can't control his emotions too much. [13:55] <Kneazly> Because he's a bit like Umbridge, getting excited at the idea of causing someone pain--esp someone he dislikes as much as Harry [13:55] <Spectre> Draco likes anything that would cause pain to Harry [13:55] <Puzzlepiece> I can see him with his fingers together, doing a Mr Burns [13:55] <NimbusFlyer> Draco loves when others suffer [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Little devil. [13:55] <sikamikanico> specially harry [13:55] <tinkertime> draco is still entralled with the "idea" of being a DE - but doesn't really kow what it means , the toll it takes on your soul [13:56] <Puzzlepiece> Nimus, I am not sure. I think he likes the idea, but doesnt really enjoy it [13:56] <futureweasley> last question of the day!! Hermione tried to reason with the Toad and then opted to tell her a bald lie. Why did she resort to a lie? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:56] <GranjoGranger> I think he Loves it. [13:56] <Aquamarine> Maybe he likes the power it gives the torturer [13:56] <Kneazly> I wonder what his reaction would have been had he seen the spells actual effect [13:56] <NimbusFlyer> I hear you, Puzzle--that makes sense in terms of choices he makes later [13:56] <nympheart> Draco doesn't understand what suffering means yet [13:56] <Spectre> Hermione is desperate [13:56] <bemused> Desperation - she had to do something [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione knew what the Toad wanted to hear. Clever girl, our Hermione. [13:56] <Pleshette> yep, I agree [13:56] <cbm> There was no other way out [13:56] <nympheart> she was desperate [13:57] <Aquamarine> Hermione can't just leave her friend to suffer [13:57] <GranjoGranger> Yes Pleshette. [13:57] <nympheart> her options were to lie, to confess, or to watch Harry be tortured [13:57] <Spectre> Resembles Dumbledore's lie in a way [13:57] <Puzzlepiece> she exploited the Toad's greatest fear [13:57] <tinkertime> it finally dawned on her that the toad is not a logical creature - she doesn't deseeve the truth [13:57] <NimbusFlyer> And that fake crying--she'll never be a Lav-Lav [13:57] <Aquamarine> LOL [13:57] <Puzzlepiece> hehe [13:57] <GranjoGranger> Boy did she ever. I loved it. [13:57] <Puzzlepiece> the scene always turns my stomach [13:57] <Aquamarine> Hermione, whimpering? Puh-lease. [13:57] <Kneazly> That Umbridge never caught on to the fake crying shows how much she wanted to hear what Hermione said [13:58] *** cbm left #lounge [] [13:58] <NimbusFlyer> It saved Harry from the curse [13:58] <JaneMarple9> yeah hermione was so out of character [13:58] <tinkertime> kneazly is right - Hermione knew what would work and she did it! [13:58] <Spectre> Not only Harry, but the others as well I think [13:58] <JaneMarple9> but she certainly confused me on first reading [13:58] <Puzzlepiece> Jane, I dont think she is [13:58] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:58] <futureweasley> but it works poorly [13:58] <Aquamarine> And that Umbridge didn't catch onto her? Not a sharp woman. [13:58] <Spectre> Umbridge would cruciate everyone in the room... [13:58] <Puzzlepiece> She matured to be that person. She doesnt really revert back to PS Hermione [13:58] <GranjoGranger> And it got Umbridge motivated to go with Hermione. [13:58] <NimbusFlyer> Touce twice, Spexctre (I just read you aboce post) [13:59] <JaneMarple9> I was like.....what on EARTH is Hermione doing??? She's going to give Dumbledore's name in to umbridge [13:59] <futureweasley> great chat, all! thanks so much for joining us! Hope to see you tomorrow when we discuss another amazing essay from HarryPotterSeven.com! [13:59] <cbm> Hermione saw no way out and acted with a desperate plan [13:59] <NimbusFlyer> (Touche, I mean, Spectre) [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> This was a great chat, everyone! Come back tomorrow for the P3 chat! 2-4 pm EST. [13:59] <JaneMarple9> (((((Boothers)))))))) [13:59] <bemused> bye everyone! [13:59] <Expelliarmas> join us again for another fabu chat! [13:59] <tinkertime> thanks future weasley - very interesting [13:59] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:59] <nympheart> bye! [13:59] <Spectre> Bye all, great chat smile [13:59] <futureweasley> group hugs to all! [13:59] <Puzzlepiece> have an amazing summer, all [13:59] <cbm> it moved from 3 to 5? [13:59] <NimbusFlyer> Great convo--thanks everyone. Bye! [13:59] * JaneMarple9 prepares for ahug [13:59] <Pleshette> Goodbye all! [13:59] <futureweasley> 3-5 PM [14:00] <Puzzlepiece> I'm goig to miss discussing it as it comescloser [14:00] <nympheart> definitely, puzzle, you too [14:00] <cbm> lol [14:00] * JaneMarple9 waves ti akk [14:00] <Expelliarmas> 3-5, est, not MrM's time [14:00] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:00] <futureweasley> 3-5 PM EST [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Sorry, 2-4 my time, 3-5 EST. [14:00] <JaneMarple9> to all* [14:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:00] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [14:00] <Kneazly> Bye everyone, thanks mods [14:00] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG...dang these timezones! [14:00] <tinkertime> bye everyone [14:00] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [14:00] *** tinkertime left #lounge [] [14:00] <cbm> bye, it was fun [14:00] <futureweasley> thank you guys! [14:00] <GranjoGranger> Later all. Won't be here tom. Bye.rrow [14:00] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [14:00] *** Kneazly left #lounge [] [14:01] <Puzzlepiece> have a good summer Granjo [14:01] *** GranjoGranger has quit [Bye] [14:01] <Puzzlepiece> and to you all, mods [14:01] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [14:01] <Expelliarmas> bye, peeps [14:01] <Aquamarine> bye ! [14:01] <sikamikanico> what time is over there right now? [14:01] <futureweasley> 3PM [14:01] <futureweasley> EST [14:01] <futureweasley> right now [14:01] <sikamikanico> k thanks [14:01] <Aquamarine> when is the next corner booth? [14:01] <futureweasley> tomorrow 3-5 EST [14:01] <Aquamarine> sweet! thanks [14:01] <Aquamarine> bye [14:01] <futureweasley> bye now [14:01] <sikamikanico> byeb bye [14:01] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [14:02] *** sikamikanico left #lounge [] [14:03] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] -------------------- |
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