RG Chat Transcript 6/30/07, OotP Ch. 33-34 |
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This chat was brought to you by: Expelliarmas fawkes28 futureweasley Mr. McGonagall Reading Group Chat - OotP Chapters 33 and 34 [11:58] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [11:59] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, bookworm! [11:59] <bookworm1102> hey mr. mc g [12:00] <bookworm1102> how are you? [12:00] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [12:00] <futureweasley> hi there! [12:00] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [12:00] <bookworm1102> hey future [12:00] <futureweasley> hi NYB [12:00] <tinkertime> hullo to all! [12:00] <NYBookworm> hi [12:00] <bookworm1102> hey guys [12:01] <futureweasley> it's a beautiful day in Michigan...I turned on my wireless and am sitting outside on my chaise [12:01] <MrMcGonagall> That sounds lovely, future. [12:01] <bookworm1102> yea it actually stopped raining here [12:01] <futureweasley> Lemonade, sunshine...it's great [12:01] <bookworm1102> for like a day [12:01] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:01] <futureweasley> and, of course, the Corner Booth! [12:01] <futureweasley> hi Jane [12:01] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:01] <bookworm1102> hi jane [12:01] <futureweasley> hi Spectre [12:02] <Spectre> hi all [12:02] <JaneMarple9> (((Boothers)))) Must be Saturday w00t2 [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> I can see glints of blue sky here in Oklahoma right now, but we still have more rain expected. [12:02] <bookworm1102> us too [12:02] <futureweasley> really, MrMcG?! [12:02] <tinkertime> sunny in SoCal - as always! [12:02] <futureweasley> yuck!! [12:02] <Spectre> sunny in Moscow also smile [12:02] <JaneMarple9> pretty wet in england too - luckily no flooding in my area [12:03] <bookworm1102> it been raining for the past week in Texas [12:03] <futureweasley> I always forget you are in Moscow, Spectre...that's so cool. I would love to visit Russia sometime! [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> We're having our 18th day of rain today. Well on our way to forty. LOL [12:04] <futureweasley> have the wood for the ark yet, MrMcG? [12:04] <bookworm1102> i dont think it will ever stop Mr. mcgsmile [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Yep. I just need to find a mate for my dog Maggie. [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Unfortunately she's spayed, so I don't think it will matter. [12:04] <Spectre> that would be cool futureweasley smile [12:04] <JaneMarple9> Considering changing your name to Noah Mr McG? smile [12:05] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:05] <futureweasley> hi cbm [12:05] <cbm> Hi! [12:05] <futureweasley> if for nothing but companionship, MrMcG [12:05] <bookworm1102> apperntly evan almighty came out just in time smile [12:05] <futureweasley> Maggie will appreciate the company [12:05] <futureweasley> I really want to see that, bookworm...I love Steve Carrell [12:06] <bookworm1102> yea it looks funny [12:06] *** MaryWanguard has joined #lounge [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Mary! [12:06] <futureweasley> hi Mary [12:07] <Spectre> A pity that I'm not in England though... I'd go to an audition for HBP surely biggrin [12:07] <bookworm1102> i think we would all go [12:07] <bookworm1102>  [12:07] <tinkertime> in a heartbeat [12:07] <futureweasley> yeah! [12:08] <futureweasley> there isn't even a part for me...I'm an old fogey...but I'd still show up! [12:08] <MaryWanguard> Hello [12:08] <JaneMarple9> we'll all be a "little busy" I expect...this time in three weeks!!! [12:08] <cbm> Hi Mary [12:08] <bookworm1102> maybe you could be a proferssor future [12:08] <futureweasley> not THAT old!! [12:08] <futureweasley> LOL [12:08] <tinkertime> only three weeks to go - i can't believe it [12:08] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [12:09] <bookworm1102> who said you had to be old to be a teacher smile look at lupin [12:09] <futureweasley> me either...I'm so excited! [12:09] <JaneMarple9> i know...when they released the release date in february it seemed so long to wait [12:09] <JaneMarple9> and now....w00t2 [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> time flies [12:09] <bookworm1102> 3 weeks!! really?? im not ready! [12:09] <futureweasley> Lupin was at least 40 when he taught at Hogwarts...I've got about 13 years to make it there. [12:09] <cbm> I am ready! [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> This time in 3 weeks we'll be reading DH. [12:10] <futureweasley> however, if Krum comes back to teach DADA *wink, wink*, he'll be young indeed! [12:10] <cbm> I thought he was in his mid 30's, he was the same age as snape, well in the book at least [12:10] <futureweasley> OMGoodness, MrMcG!! I just got all revved up again [12:10] <futureweasley> 3 weeks, this time, I'll be halfway through DH!! [12:10] <JaneMarple9> about the same as James and Sirius...they were all the same age [12:11] <bookworm1102> i dont want to think abot it smile [12:11] <futureweasley> ok, give or take a few years...hehehe [12:11] <Spectre> Do I look like Bill Weasley? smile http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/foto/1/...1/f_1649320.jpg [12:11] <cbm> I really want the audio book, but do not know if I will be patient enough to do the 20 hours [12:11] <futureweasley> oops, no links in the Corner Booth, please. smile [12:12] <Spectre> sorry [12:12] <Spectre> [12:12] <JaneMarple9> ooo got my audio book ordered,,,,can't wait! [12:12] <futureweasley> I'm just so excited [12:12] <futureweasley> this is getting terrible! [12:12] <cbm> I have not ordered it yet, I want the UK edition [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> I'm excited about the boxed collector's set of the British edition coming out in October. [12:12] <JaneMarple9> perhaps I want the audio book even more than the book if that's possible [12:13] <bookworm1102> I am afarid that i will have a problem getting my book [12:13] <tinkertime> yeah - the boxed set will be great to have [12:13] <cbm> I agree Jane, I have been only listening for the last 1.5 years, I use the books as a refernece guide [12:13] <JaneMarple9> oh Stephen Fry's such a wondeful reader - I am sure Jim Dale is too, but not had the opportunity of listening to him read [12:13] <MaryWanguard> but if it's the picture of your avatar, Spectre, then yes ;) [12:14] <Spectre> I'm thinking about ordering a UK edition... the Russian translation won't come out before fall [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> OK, everybody ready to chat? [12:14] * futureweasley is ready [12:14] <bookworm1102> yep [12:14] <cbm> I was in the UK and picked up all 6 audio books using my dinner money [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:15] <MrMcGonagall> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:15] <futureweasley> Hermione leads Harry and Umbridge into the Forest. Umbridge isn't keen on it, but the thought of the weapon keeps it going. The Centaurs carry Umbridge away. Hermione and Harry are in trouble with the Centaurs too and it’s Grawp who rescues them. Ron, Ginny, Neville and Luna appear with Harry and Hermione's wands. They decide to use Thestrals for London transport. [12:15] <futureweasley> At the MoM, they stuff themselves into the phone box and dial 62442. They get to the DOM. Neville shuts the door and the room rotates. They look for Harry’s dream room. The visit the Brain and Death Rooms. As they leave those rooms, Hermione marks the doors with a flaming “X.” They try a third door, no good. They enter the Time Room and Harry proclaims it’s the one. [12:15] <futureweasley> Into a room with a lot of shelves which held small, dusty orbs, lit by candles burning blue. They walk along to row 97, Hermione doesn’t think Sirius is there. There’s no sign of a struggle. Ron spots an orb with Harry’s name written below it. Neither Hermione nor Neville think Harry should touch it. He recklessly does. Lucius thanks him for it and orders him to hand it over. [12:15] <futureweasley> Thanks to Chamber 88 and Room 18–The Atrium for the intro. All caught up? Then let’s do this thing! [12:16] <futureweasley> Hermione's plan: brilliant, a blunder, or best-she-could-do-given-the-circumstances? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:16] <Spectre> third [12:16] <JaneMarple9> very clever [12:16] <cbm> Best she could do, though I would have tried to get to hogsmeade [12:16] <futureweasley> see, I thought it was a blunder [12:16] <bookworm1102> best she could do under the circumstance [12:16] <tinkertime> hermione's plan was the best - given the situation [12:16] <JaneMarple9> she was thinking on her feet [12:17] <MrMcGonagall> Best she could do, I think. It probably would hve come off OK except for the verbal gaffe in front of the centaurs. [12:17] <cbm> But it really was just a rehash of the twins plan and like any plan used twice, Umbridge was ready for it [12:17] <futureweasley> it was action before thinking...which is VERY unlike Hermione. I know that there wasn't much time...but usually she's a little more "brilliant' than "blunder" [12:17] <bookworm1102> but i must say i was happy that she did it though [12:17] <JaneMarple9> She couldn't get to Hogsmeade or warn any of the Order members [12:17] <cbm> I said tried [12:17] <Spectre> did she intend to lead Umbridge to the centaurs or to Grawp? [12:17] <JaneMarple9> to the centaurs [12:17] <bookworm1102> i think she did [12:17] <tinkertime> they had to get rid of Umbridge somehow... [12:17] <cbm> wrong plan [12:17] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, centaurs [12:17] <bookworm1102> i thought it was both [12:18] <bookworm1102> like whoever came first [12:18] <JaneMarple9> she wasn't mean enough to let Grawp have umbridge for breakfast biggrin [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> She couldn't have anticipated that Grawp would break loose. [12:18] <cbm> I think it was definately the centaurs, [12:18] <MaryWanguard> yeah, I also think, Hermione didn't pay it enough thought... [12:18] <NYBookworm> I think she did the only thing she could think of at that moment to do [12:18] * cbm was thinking of the chapter 32 plan, sorry [12:18] <futureweasley> that's all that Hermione was thinking of...get Umbridge in front of the Centaurs...let her insult them and she will feel their "wrath" [12:18] <tinkertime> it is odd that hermione couldn't see how this would upset the centaurs - it is sort of her blind spot - thinking that elves and centaurs etc will take her intentions cas she means them [12:18] <Spectre> Maybe she hoped that the DA members would overpower the IS and then come to their rescue? [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Given the triumphant look on Hermione's face when the centaurs found them, I'd say that was the plan. [12:19] <futureweasley> I think she was just thinking...put Umbridge in danger [12:19] <futureweasley> she wasn't thinking of herself or the others [12:19] <bookworm1102> that makes sense spectre [12:19] <Spectre> they ultimately DID overpower the IS, anyway [12:20] <MaryWanguard> But that's also mean enough, imo [12:20] <cbm> I think everything went according to Hermione;s plan, until she said something to upset them [12:20] <futureweasley> Do you think Hermione knew where she was going? Did she realize she was off the Grawp path ... and on the path to the Acromantula? Or was she just aimlessly making noise to attract the centaurs? (Chamber 29) [12:20] <tinkertime> she definitely planned on the centaurs - but she WAS using them [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think just making plentyh of noise to attract the centuars [12:20] <futureweasley> I agree, MrMcG [12:20] <cbm> I think she was going fairly blind and making noise [12:20] <tinkertime> i think she was just trying to get far enough into the forest to attract the centaurs [12:20] <bookworm1102> since she wasnt in the forset in cos i think she was hopwing to run into the centaurs [12:21] <futureweasley> I think, like I said...she was in the forest...she just needed to get the centaurs attention [12:21] <tinkertime> and she didn't want to lead DU to Grawp [12:21] <futureweasley> she knew it wasn't difficult to do [12:21] <Spectre> it would be no fun if they ran into Aragog [12:21] <cbm> they went pretty far into the forest, it was not a short trip [12:21] <JaneMarple9> thats a fun idea spectre! [12:21] <bookworm1102> I dont think she knew about aragog did she? [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> silly centaurs... what are they? deaf? [12:21] <bookworm1102> lol spectre [12:21] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [12:22] <futureweasley> no, you're right...but the centaurs had appeared before when they had hardly made any noise. Hermione was banking on that [12:22] <JaneMarple9> Aragog would be just as frightening to Umbridge as to Ron! [12:22] <futureweasley> Had Harry known what Hermione was up to by going into the Forest, would he have agreed? (Chamber 007) [12:22] <JaneMarple9> not sure [12:22] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm, very good question. [12:22] <futureweasley> I think he would have tried to "tweek" the plan a bit [12:23] <tinkertime> probably not - he was in such a state and he thought it was wasting time [12:23] <bookworm1102> probably not since he knew them better than hermione did [12:23] <JaneMarple9> maybe....it took him a long time to realiaw what Hermiones plan was [12:23] <futureweasley> ah, that's true, tinkertime [12:23] <cbm> I do not think so, as he is more aware of how they are, but I think the plan would have worked if Hermione had been quiet and let Harry talk [12:23] <futureweasley> I totally forgot that he was feeling the pressure of time [12:23] <Spectre> Even if he'd disagree, he wouldn't say anything [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know... be crucioed or give Umbridge over to the centaurs? I'd hand over the Toad. [12:23] <futureweasley> lol [12:23] <MaryWanguard> I don't think that he would've agreed. [12:23] <futureweasley> me too! [12:23] <JaneMarple9> perhaps he hoped that hermione could go with umbridge while he went to sirius [12:23] <bookworm1102> lol [12:24] <bookworm1102> agreed jane [12:24] <Spectre> he had no choice in those circumstances [12:24] <tinkertime> true jane [12:24] <futureweasley> no, it was follow or be tortured [12:24] <futureweasley> Harry feels – as he has in the past – like there are eyes following him in the Forest. What/who do you think this is? [12:24] <JaneMarple9> i'd pick tortured biggrin [12:24] <MrMcGonagall> Centaurs and who knows what other kinds of critters. [12:24] <cbm> So we are all agreed that Umbridge has the hate needed in her to crucio! [12:25] <futureweasley> right...I see the Forest as its own character [12:25] <futureweasley> I think that it is all-knowing...all-seeing [12:25] <JaneMarple9> because it was there, where he saw Voldie first, in book 1 [12:25] <Spectre> There are many dwellers in the Forest [12:25] <bookworm1102> i think it was the centaurs since they knew who he was but it could have been aragog and his family at the same time [12:25] <tinkertime> maybe it was the ford anglia [12:25] <futureweasley> largely in part because of its inhabitants [12:25] <JaneMarple9> he assosiates the forest with that first journey into there [12:25] <MaryWanguard> Various creatures in the forest [12:25] <cbm> Harry's feelings are something we the reader should ignore at our own peril, maybe the centaurs watched them for a long time, and then only confronted them when they were deep in the forest [12:26] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [12:26] <futureweasley> test [12:26] <NYBookworm> test [12:26] <futureweasley> ok, that works [12:26] <Spectre> hi NYB [12:26] <bookworm1102> i think anyone like hagrid harry people like that are usually watched because they are not normally in the forest [12:26] <JaneMarple9> theres various critters in there - centaurs,,,aragog and his family and of course grawp [12:26] <NYBookworm> same here- what's current Q [12:26] <tinkertime> in DH - harry may need to rally some of these creatures - or Voldy will use them [12:26] <Spectre> and many of Hagrid's former pets, presumably smile [12:26] <bookworm1102> agreed [12:26] <futureweasley> we'll move on here [12:27] <futureweasley> Should Harry have pointed out how close they were getting to Aragog? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:27] <JaneMarple9> no [12:27] <Spectre> no [12:27] <JaneMarple9> kepy it as a nice suprise biggrin [12:27] <Spectre> Harry shouldn't have said a word [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he tried, but Hermione wasn't taking the hint. [12:27] <NYBookworm> I don't think he could've without alerting Umbridge that they were lying [12:27] <futureweasley> for Ron's sake, I'm so glad he didn't [12:27] <bookworm1102> yes at least to just hermione b/c she didnt know about them [12:27] <tinkertime> Harry was so worried about Sirius, that I don't think he was thinking clearly [12:27] <cbm> If he could do it quietly enough [12:28] <JaneMarple9> hermione had never seen aragog before [12:28] <MaryWanguard> Nope. Hermione would've freaked out and lost her mind biggrin [12:28] <futureweasley> Ron would have likely gone into convulsions [12:28] <JaneMarple9> she wasn't as frightened of aragog as harry and ron was [12:28] <cbm> He was also suffering from a lack sleep, he was up late the night before [12:28] <JaneMarple9> poor ron smile [12:28] <cbm> so he was not his best [12:28] <tinkertime> agreed cbm [12:29] <bookworm1102> i dont ron would have liked to frak out in front of hermionesmile [12:29] <bookworm1102> *think [12:29] <bookworm1102> *freak [12:29] <futureweasley> Harry asks Umbridge if he can use her wand as they head into the forest, obviously she says no. But this question opens up a discussion for us. If the wand chooses the wizard as we are told in PS/SS, wouldn't borrowing another wizards wand make it less effective? (Chamber 007) [12:29] <cbm> I think he would do better his second time with the spiders [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> Less effective, but not unusable. [12:29] <tinkertime> something's better than nothing ;) [12:29] <futureweasley> I think that is true. [12:29] <cbm> Yes it would, but I assume the spells would still work [12:30] <Spectre> We've seen several wizards using someone else's wands, and they worked [12:30] <futureweasley> obviously, the choice of any wizard would be to have their own wand [12:30] <bookworm1102> i thought they coul still use them b/c did ron or neville havea handme down wand? [12:30] <JaneMarple9> good question - i would have said the wand wouldn't work as well [12:30] <Spectre> Neville used his father's wand, Ron used Charlie's, Wormtail killed Cedric with Voldemort's wand... [12:30] <cbm> If one were available [12:30] <JaneMarple9> ron had a new wand [12:30] <tinkertime> i'd imagine it's sort of like a "power reduction" but would still work [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> Neville will fight using Hermione's wand in the Ministry battle. [12:30] <futureweasley> don't we see Harry use Hermione's wand in PoA...or is that just in the movie? (ahh, I hate when I taint my canon knowledge with movie) [12:31] <JaneMarple9> he got it in book 4 i think and neville had his dadas [12:31] <Spectre> Sirius also probably had someone else's wand, as well as the other Azkaban escapees [12:31] <JaneMarple9> not his dadas his dads biggrin [12:31] <NYBookworm> it's usuable just not as effective [12:31] <bookworm1102> agreed [12:31] <MaryWanguard> Well, better to have a random wand, than none... [12:31] <futureweasley> Was Hermione being genuine when she told the Toad not to call the Centaurs half-breeds? [12:32] <JaneMarple9> yes she was [12:32] <bookworm1102> i think so [12:32] <JaneMarple9> she was trying to protect umbridge.... [12:32] <cbm> Yes, but she knew the toad would ignore her [12:32] <bookworm1102> i mean this is the girl who fought for elf rights [12:32] <tinkertime> yes - she is very sensitive to the plight of other beings [12:32] <JaneMarple9> ...I wouldn't had bothered myself! [12:32] <futureweasley> I think so...she's got that whole "equal rights" think going on...I think she genuinely dislikes "biggots" [12:32] <cbm> Or if she were really devious, she was giving Umbridge ideas [12:32] <tinkertime> and being muggle-born, she would empathize with this type of discrimination [12:32] <MaryWanguard> I think, she was scared [12:33] <futureweasley> yes, that's possible, too cbm [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. I believe Hermione realized just how big a hole Umbridge was digging herself. [12:33] <futureweasley> and, we all know that Hermione is devious [12:33] <JaneMarple9> i'm sure she didn't want umbridge hurt [12:33] <bookworm1102> agreed mr. mcg [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think it may have suddenly occurred to Hermione that the centaurs might kill Umbridge in a rage. [12:33] <Spectre> she was afraid that the centaurs would hurt *them* along with the Toad [12:33] <JaneMarple9> she was trying to warn umbridge to keep her mouth shut [12:33] <NYBookworm> gtg bye [12:33] <futureweasley> oh, don't be SO sure, Jane [12:33] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [12:33] <cbm> I do not think Hermione was scared enough in this instance [12:33] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [12:34] <bookworm1102> i dont think she got scared untill they turned on her [12:34] <futureweasley> I think that Umbridge getting hurt might have been just what Hermione thought they needed to get away [12:34] <Spectre> and if centaurs killed Umbridge... the consequences for Hogwarts might have been disastrous [12:34] <tinkertime> maybe even Hermione was surprised at how far DU had pushed the centaurs [12:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think so, tinker. [12:34] <Synesthesia> UMBRIDGE= not very bright in that scene [12:34] <futureweasley> I don't think Hermione wanted Umbridge killed...a broken leg might be OK though [12:34] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [12:34] <MrMcGonagall> Umbridge = not very bright, ever. [12:34] <Spectre> funny how Hermione and Toad share their middle name smile [12:35] <futureweasley> Hermione and the Centaurs - How could she make such a faux pas after cleverly manipulating Umbridge? It seems that she doesn't know anything about the Centaurs, how is that possible when she must have read through most of the Hogwarts library by now? (Chamber 88) [12:35] <cbm> Dies Umbridge ever = Bright, I do not think so [12:35] <Kneazly> Hi all [12:35] <Spectre> She just blurted that out in relief, I think [12:35] <Spectre> Hi Kneazly [12:35] <bookworm1102> but she never met this group of centaurs before and books are not always right [12:35] <MaryWanguard> DU never seemed too bright to me... [12:35] <tinkertime> hermione thinks that all being will respect her logical arguements - that isn't always true [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Hermione had thought all the consequences through to their end. [12:36] <Kneazly> She treats the centaurs in much the same way as the houselves--she assumes they will think the way she does [12:36] <cbm> I do not think Hermione realized she was in any danger [12:36] <tinkertime> kneazly - exactly [12:36] <futureweasley> I think she might have thought they would be sympathetic to the kids plight. After all...she was with Harry, and they have always seems to respect him [12:36] <bookworm1102> i think she acted too smart for her own good [12:37] <bookworm1102> she thought she knew everything about them [12:37] <MaryWanguard> The books might not say everything about centaurs - they're written by wizards... [12:37] <Synesthesia> the books are not written by centaurs. how was she supposed to understand their militancy? [12:37] <Synesthesia> militantness [12:37] <bookworm1102> and books are not always right [12:37] <tinkertime> she repaets this type of thinking in many situations, I'm sure she wonders why intelligence can still be blinded by grudges and hatred [12:38] <futureweasley> no, she heard them say they won't hurt "foal"...she thought that was Centaurian gospel. When they turned, she naturally flipped [12:38] <MaryWanguard> Perhaps Hermione thought that only wizards have these "prejudices" against other creatures [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Hermione's vague statement that she thought the centaurs would "take care of her for them." What did Hermione think was going to happen to Umbridge. [12:38] *** Miss_Tyfiee has joined #lounge [12:38] <futureweasley> hi Miss_Tyfiee [12:38] <bookworm1102> but i might be wrong but didnt they say harry was not a child anymore? [12:38] <Miss_Tyfiee> hi! [12:38] <Synesthesia> ebing driven off maybe? [12:38] <Synesthesia> they said harry was approaching manhood [12:39] <tinkertime> MrMcG - that may be the part of the plan she did not think thru [12:39] <Kneazly> I think she expected Umbridge to insult them and them to react, but I'm not sure she realized just how badly they would react [12:39] <cbm> I do not think Hermione was worrying about Umbridge as she had just admittied trying to kill Harry with dementors and was about to crucio him [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, tinker [12:39] <JaneMarple9> the centaurs did not trust hermione and harry [12:39] <futureweasley> that's the only part of the plan she didn't exactly have pre-thought [12:39] <futureweasley> Is the Toad really too stupid to keep its mouth shut? It keeps screaming about "filthy halfbreeds", has it no sense of self-preservation? (Chamber 88) [12:39] <Synesthesia> it LOL [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> She's an idiot. [12:39] <JaneMarple9> they knew they had probably been taught bt firenze...who they have disowned [12:39] <Synesthesia> she's a.... "Racists" [12:39] <futureweasley> she is a major nitwit [12:39] <Kneazly> She thinks her position will be respected, for some bizarre reason [12:40] <Synesthesia> racists don't really think before they spew that sort of thing [12:40] <JaneMarple9> she never knows when to stop [12:40] <cbm> Yes, i think she thought that she was so superior to them that she could take on the whole herd [12:40] <Synesthesia> a humanists? [12:40] <bookworm1102> i thought we all agreed that she was too stupid to know any better smile [12:40] <Synesthesia> she's so.... arrogant... and looks down on non humans... plus they had arrows [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Toads are not the smartest of critters. [12:40] <JaneMarple9> she imagines that Fudge will back her up whatever she says [12:40] <tinkertime> DU is that stupid - but even more self-righteous - she thinks she can get away with anything, she thinks she can frighten anyone with the threats of the MoM [12:40] <bookworm1102> agreed [12:40] <Spectre> The toad hated the "magical beings" [12:40] <JaneMarple9> hey mr McG...Trevor might be offended by that biggrin [12:40] <futureweasley> the only thing that doesn't make sense is, she loves herself more than she hates "halfbreeds". She knew she was in danger...I don't understand WHY she didn't shut up to save herself [12:41] <Synesthesia> they, the centaurs have no interest in the M of M [12:41] <futureweasley> and, if she was screaming, why wasn't she saying thinks like "don't you know who I am?!" [12:41] <Spectre> She wanted to get the "weapon", and the centaurs were a hindrance [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she doesn't respect centaurs [12:41] <cbm> Because she had not self control and I do not think that shutting up would occur to umbridge in any circumstances [12:41] <bookworm1102> i guess she thought she was suprior to them there for she could do what ever she wanted to future [12:41] <Synesthesia> she only respects fudge [12:41] <JaneMarple9> and centaurs demand respect [12:41] <Synesthesia> she doesn't respect kids... [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder at what point Umbridge realized it was a trap. [12:41] <Synesthesia> or centaurs or werewolves [12:41] <Spectre> she doesn't *always* respect Fudge [12:42] <Synesthesia> just people higher up. [12:42] <Miss_Tyfiee> well she only respects power... [12:42] <JaneMarple9> look at the centaur statue...which was in the MOM [12:42] <bookworm1102> she only has respect for herself [12:42] <tinkertime> she had dismissed their power, because that is the MoM party-line, half-bloods don't matter... [12:42] <Synesthesia> true... she did sic dementors on harry [12:42] <cbm> I bet she never figured it out [12:42] <Kneazly> I don't think she ever realized it was a trap [12:42] <futureweasley> me too, MrMcG [12:42] <bookworm1102> agreed [12:42] <JaneMarple9> the goblin, the centaur and the elf were all looking up to the witch and wizard [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think so, either. [12:42] <tinkertime> true MrMcG [12:42] <MaryWanguard> She respects the "authorities". [12:42] <futureweasley> if she were half as bright as she let on...she's know that Hermione was setting her up back in Umbridge's office [12:43] <JaneMarple9> she thinks that witches and wizards are higher than centaurs -------------------- |
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[12:43] <futureweasley> Umbridge tells Harry the Ministry places "a rather higher value on my life than yours, I'm afraid." Is that true in OotP? What about both before and after the events of OotP? (Room 18–The Atrium)
[12:43] <Kneazly> She sees and understands only what she wants to see and understand [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> Things do change post-OotP. [12:43] <Spectre> Umbridge has a really high self-esteem biggrin [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> this to me underscored the difference between Umbridge and DD as heads of the school. [12:43] <Kneazly> And in PoA they were all worried about him running away from the Dursleys [12:43] <futureweasley> well, even pre-events of OotP...the only person who really valued her over Harry was Fudge. That's not saying a whole lot [12:43] <cbm> After OotP, Harry has a much higher reputation and seen as a way to keep in power [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> DD would never put his own safety above that of a student. [12:44] <tinkertime> post OotP is very different [12:44] <bookworm1102> i think they did value harry as much b/c they think he is crazy and hermione is just some kid [12:44] <JaneMarple9> agreed mr mcg [12:44] <bookworm1102> i will be right back guys [12:44] <MaryWanguard> I think, by "the ministry" she meant " I myself place a higher value on my life" biggrin [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> The similiarity between pre and post-OotP is that the Ministry is always about control. [12:45] <futureweasley> like I said, she's got a high opinion of herself..she doesn't exactly have a grasp in reality [12:45] <Kneazly> I agree Mr Mc G and Mary W [12:45] <futureweasley> noone ever accused Umbridge of being too "realistic" [12:45] <tinkertime> the contrast between DU & DD is really how opposite they are [12:45] <cbm> that is true mary, I think when she said ministry, it was a synonym for herself and fudge [12:45] <Synesthesia> most bigots are like that [12:45] <Synesthesia> no sense of history.... [12:45] <Synesthesia> no sense of reality, they are blinded by their prejudices [12:45] <futureweasley> Do you think the centaurs really would have punished Harry and Hermione if Grawp hadn't interrupted? Why or why not? [12:46] <Synesthesia> they probably would have [12:46] <Kneazly> I think they may have, but there may have been more arguing about it [12:46] <cbm> I think they would have, I take them at their word [12:46] <Synesthesia> they are prejudiced too... they have to prove their superiority and power. [12:46] <Spectre> they surely would [12:46] <futureweasley> I'm not really sure...I don't think they are "monsters" [12:46] <tinkertime> i think they would have tried, but i'm not sure what they would have done - i'm not even sure what they did to DU [12:46] <MaryWanguard> No sence of whatsoever... [12:46] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [12:46] <Synesthesia> they now consider then to be adults... [12:46] <Kneazly> We don't know what they did to Umbridge, she seems physically unhurt later [12:46] <Synesthesia> so they probably would punished them [12:47] <futureweasley> they are prideful...and i think that their pride had been wounded by Hermione's insensitivity [12:47] <Spectre> There are several ways of punishment, physical is just one of them [12:47] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:47] <tinkertime> if they wanted to kill, they could have just shot everyone with an arrow and have been done with it [12:47] <MaryWanguard> Yeah, I think, they would've punished - seemed way too offended by Hermione's words... [12:47] *** mdbennett has joined #lounge [12:47] <futureweasley> hi mdbennett [12:47] <mdbennett> howdy! [12:47] <Synesthesia> hmm o of the p ad... [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think the centaurs were pretty revved up at that point. Who knows what they might have done. [12:47] <cbm> Well Umbridge was alive the next morning, so I am sure Harry and Hermione would be too [12:47] <tinkertime> DU lasted long enough for DD to go save her [12:47] <Synesthesia> i wonder if i want to see that... [12:47] <futureweasley> you really think that, MrMcG? [12:47] <Synesthesia> they probably would have just found creative ways to torment them. [12:48] <futureweasley> there were still some Centaurs with their heads on straight [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think they would have killed them... after all, they didn't kill the Toad. [12:48] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:48] <futureweasley> the "voice of reason", so to spea [12:48] <futureweasley> k [12:48] <futureweasley> hi Expie [12:48] <Spectre> hi Expie [12:48] <Synesthesia> like dangling them upside and maybe hitting them, i don't know... or kicking.... or talking about what they'd do for several hours [12:48] <Synesthesia> until someone stopped them [12:48] <futureweasley> In the forest we see the discrimination of Umbridge towards the Centaurs and conversely the discrimination of the Centaurs towards Humans. Which is worse, or are they merely two sides of the same coin? Do the Centaurs have justification? (Chamber 007) [12:49] <MaryWanguard> Punish doesn't mean kill [12:49] <Synesthesia> the centaurs probably are victims of prejudice... it could effect their self esteem [12:49] <Kneazly> Umbridge perhaps has less reason to discriminate--her bigotry is more unthinking [12:49] <cbm> I think that the lack of respect by the humans, lead to the attitude of the Centaurs [12:49] <Synesthesia> they'd have to overcompensate by attacking humans... [12:49] <mdbennett> I think the Centaurs have justification because some wizards treat them as if they dont matter [12:49] <Miss_Tyfiee> good point cbm! [12:49] <Synesthesia> umbridge is just arrogant.... she just has the attitudes of most of the wizards [12:49] <tinkertime> it is our choices...blah-blah-blah - smile but really it is. everyone can face some kind of discrimination - it is how we react to it [12:50] <Synesthesia> that wizards are superior and pure blood is best... [12:50] <cbm> Well, Even Hermione called firenze a horse in an earlier chapter [12:50] <Synesthesia> and part humans are not as intelligent. [12:50] <tinkertime> what seems odd about the centaurs is that they claim such great intelligence, but do not use it to a better purpose [12:50] <mdbennett> Waht about Hagrid..."ruddy stargazers" [12:50] <Synesthesia> no, i don't think she did... well, sort of. [12:50] <MaryWanguard> The both sides are equally not right, I think [12:50] <Synesthesia> she said she didn't like horses [12:50] <Miss_Tyfiee> It's because humans don't know much about the centaurs that they have prejudices [12:50] <cbm> So I think not much "true:" information is known about them [12:50] <Kneazly> The centaurs want to keep themselves separate, and do think they're superior--in a way they're just as bad, but they have less scope in the wider world [12:50] <Synesthesia> and the girls said :he's a centaur, a gorgeous centaur [12:50] <Synesthesia> they are star gazers [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> This is a tough one. It's like a chicken-or-egg argument. [12:50] <Spectre> I think both races just don't take each other seriously [12:51] <Synesthesia> they use the stars to make predictions and say things like, Mars is bright today [12:51] <bookworm1102> sorry guy my dad thought now would be a great time to empty the dishwasher but now im back [12:51] <mdbennett> yes MrMcGonagall [12:51] <tinkertime> can the centaurs overcome their prejudice to help harry in DH? [12:51] <Kneazly> I wonder how many centaurs there actually are--they can't all live in the Forbidden Forest [12:51] <futureweasley> Harry must be a pretty good teacher, as 4 of his DA members got the best of the Inquisitorial Squad members. What do you think motivated them to fight the I.S.? Again we are reminded that Ginny can do a Bat- Bogey Hex (Didn't we begin the school year with Ginny doing that hex?), Why? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:51] <Miss_Tyfiee> well I think that Hagrid meant that they only thinks of what is far away and forget the close reality [12:52] <Synesthesia> if they can let go of the notion that they are not supposed to set themselves up against the stars, than yes. probably because they HAD to fight [12:52] <cbm> I think they were fighting for harry in this case [12:52] <Kneazly> They had more of a chance with Umbridge away [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> The DA are well-trained. I'd put my money on them against Umbridge's Inquisitorial Squad any day. [12:52] <futureweasley> I think it's a reminder that Ginny is brilliant, not just a Harry fangirl...and that she can hold her own under pressure [12:52] <Synesthesia> these guys were trying to imprision them for no reason.... they had to fight back. [12:52] <JaneMarple9> the DA have been well trained [12:52] <bookworm1102> they hated umbrige and that fact that the IS descovered them [12:52] <Kneazly> Interesting that the IS uses physical restraint, not magical [12:53] <Synesthesia> Ginny = worthy of harry as she's girl harry. brave, smart, good quidditch player [12:53] <Spectre> Well, the ISers aren't probably too bright [12:53] <Miss_Tyfiee> Kneazly, I think they can overcome their prejudice. Remember the last chapter of the Half-Blood Prince. [12:53] <JaneMarple9> the IS probably have had no training - just told what to do [12:53] <Spectre> except for Malfoy [12:53] <mdbennett> Malfoy was a good reason.. [12:53] <bookworm1102> i didnt help that the IS were all slytherins [12:53] <futureweasley> that's all they've got, Kneazly! they are definitely braun with no brains [12:53] <Synesthesia> The IS underestimated them [12:53] <tinkertime> harry shares his knowledge and gains useful allies. in HBP, we see Draco using advanced magic - but he doesn't share his skillls with anyone [12:53] <Kneazly> Could be, Miss T--they respected DD [12:53] <futureweasley> save Malfoy...who is actually quite smart [12:53] <futureweasley> but that's another story [12:54] <Spectre> interesting who neutralized Malfoy smile [12:54] <tinkertime> ginny [12:54] <bookworm1102> i think they thought harry would not be that grat of a teacher [12:54] <tinkertime> ginny rocks and the bat bogey hex is sort of her claim to fame [12:55] <futureweasley> I think, again, that shows that Malfoy might be smart...but Ginny has it all over him [12:55] <Kneazly> I try not to picture the bat bogey hex too closely, myself [12:55] <futureweasley> Will we see that hex again in the future? How do you think Harry felt when he learned that they had put up such a good fight? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:55] <tinkertime> maybe she got that from Fred & George... [12:55] *** MaryWanguard has quit [Bye] [12:56] <cbm> Plus she caught 2 snitches that year, plus she helped Harry talk to sirius, she has had a good year so far [12:56] <Spectre> Ron probably tried to take points from the IS and provoked them biggrin [12:56] <Miss_Tyfiee> he must have been pretty proud! [12:56] <bookworm1102> i would not be suprised if we saw that hex again [12:56] <tinkertime> he must be proud - but at the same time he seemed to doubt if they could help him [12:56] <JaneMarple9> was it a mixture of them? [12:56] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [12:56] <Kneazly> We see her do it in HBP--it gets her into the Slug Club. And I bet Harry felt great [12:57] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [12:57] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [12:57] *** Disconnected from IRC (type /reconnect to connect again) We have a brief interlude in the transcript at this moment, as Snuffles decided he'd had enough of the chat, freezing it and systematically kicking each and every member out of the Corner Booth. [13:02] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:02] <JaneMarple9> test test test test [13:03] <cbm> that was fun! [13:03] <cbm> not [13:03] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> I see you, Jane! [13:03] <cbm> I guess it was not just me [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> That was bizarre, but it's happened before. [13:03] <futureweasley> no, it was everybody [13:04] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [13:04] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [13:04] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> welcome backs, friends! [13:04] <bookworm1102> test [13:04] <cbm> the lag was about 30 senonds before I quit and could not get back in [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Heavens! [13:04] * MrMcGonagall goes to get the rolled up newspaper for Snuffles [13:04] <bookworm1102> yea i got kicked out or somthing [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Can I just swat snuffles now ? [13:04] <futureweasley> that was awful...sorry folks [13:04] <cbm> we all did [13:04] <tinkertime> voldy-thing must be trying to stop us from talking [13:05] <futureweasley> c'mon now, Snuffles [13:05] <futureweasley> treat us right! [13:05] <cbm> No, it was peeves [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> don't give him treats when he's being bad, future. LOL [13:05] <futureweasley> lol [13:05] <futureweasley> it's called bribery [13:05] <bookworm1102> did everyone get kicked out? [13:05] <futureweasley> yes [13:05] <cbm> yes [13:06] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [13:06] <futureweasley> and I still have the most HORRIBLE lag!! [13:06] <cbm>  [13:06] <tinkertime> locked-up - i had to log out & log back in [13:06] <bookworm1102> me too [13:06] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:06] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [13:06] <JaneMarple9> test test test [13:06] <futureweasley> let's get this show back on the road, shall we? [13:06] <JaneMarple9> yay! biggrin [13:06] <Synesthesia> geez [13:06] <futureweasley> next question: [13:06] <futureweasley> How do you imagine their fight with the Inquisitorial Squad went down - who started it? Did they communicate with each other somehow before it? Did one of them clearly make an initiative and act as a leader in Harry's absence? (Chamber 88) [13:06] <Synesthesia> it went all lagurchedy [13:06] <cbm> sounds great [13:06] <Synesthesia> i think it was ginny [13:06] <tinkertime> ginny [13:07] <Synesthesia> right on Malfoy [13:07] <Synesthesia> and he was like EEEEEEEEEEEE [13:07] <Spectre> Ron wanted to take points from IS biggrin [13:07] <Synesthesia> then the rest were all like LETS GET EM [13:07] <Synesthesia> aand then they did [13:07] <cbm> Did Parkinson have Ginny? If so I would say ginny got 2 of them [13:07] <JaneMarple9> ginny and ron i think [13:07] <bookworm1102> ginny because she is the evil mastermind smile [13:07] <tinkertime> draco is always getting slammed by the girls - poor guy [13:07] <futureweasley> Spectre...I think that was still pointing to him immaturity over the rest of the group [13:07] <JaneMarple9> they were the ringleaders [13:07] <Synesthesia> hes always getting turned into a slug [13:07] <Spectre> I think this was the thing that provoked the fight future smile [13:07] <futureweasley> his younger sister was more prepared to take charge than Ginny was [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> I rather think Ginny started it. [13:08] <cbm> He does have some confidence at this point, it is getting better [13:08] <JaneMarple9> luna may have assisted too,,,,and neville [13:08] <tinkertime> i think luna got pansy [13:08] <Synesthesia> luna was probably dreamly casting a spell [13:08] <cbm> lol [13:08] <Synesthesia> like la la la la la SPELL [13:08] <bookworm1102> I think Ginny starteded it because she takes after the twins a little bit [13:08] <tinkertime> luna with a radish face hex or something [13:09] <JaneMarple9> neville gets confidence when he's with twins [13:09] <JaneMarple9> sorry that is with friends not twins [13:09] <cbm> I would like to see that scene in the movie, even though we won't [13:09] <tinkertime> true cbm [13:09] <Spectre> Neville could take out Malfoy... he probably hadn't forgotten about his insult about insanity [13:09] <futureweasley> What do you think about Grawp here and the progress in language and memory he shows? Also, do you think this chapter is his pay-off or do you expect to see more of him in book 7? (Chamber 29) [13:09] <Synesthesia> *Groan* [13:09] <Synesthesia> darn movies. [13:09] <Synesthesia> make me so mad. [13:10] <Synesthesia> grawp is pretty cool. he had be crying in book 6 [13:10] <cbm> I think his payoff will be in book 7, at least I hope so [13:10] <tinkertime> i think there will be more Grawp [13:10] <bookworm1102> i think he will be in DH [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Nope, I think we will see more of Grawp in 7. [13:10] <Spectre> Grawp will play an important enough role I think [13:10] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [13:10] <tinkertime> he really has come a long way - and Firenze was wrong about Hagrid's effort [13:11] <JaneMarple9> I really hope we see more of grawp in three weeks time [13:11] <futureweasley> What do you think about the second trio and how their different ways of arguing their right to join Harry, Ron and Hermione? (Chamber 29) [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> it's taking time, but Grawp is making progress. [13:11] <cbm> The effort just took a long time [13:11] <futureweasley> the second trio = Luna, Neville and Ginny? [13:11] <JaneMarple9> because to me he's a utter bore, and a background character [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> I'm proud of them. go get those evildoers! [13:11] <JaneMarple9> Luna was very clear what she wanted to do [13:11] <futureweasley> I love their dynamic [13:12] <futureweasley> they are so great [13:12] <cbm> It just shows why 2 of them are in their house, I am not sure about Luna though [13:12] <JaneMarple9> she wasn't her usual loony self she said they were all going and that was that [13:12] <tinkertime> the new OotP group - it is putting them in danger - but I think they willkick some DE - - - [13:12] <tinkertime> sort of the passing of the torch to the younger generation [13:13] <bookworm1102> I think that they all, maybe not luna , have somthing to fight for thats why they wanted to go [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> Use what they've learned. [13:13] <Synesthesia> luna's in her own world though [13:13] <futureweasley> Harry, after being told that Ginny, Neville and Luna would accompany him to London, thinks that given the choice of who it would be to come with him (if he had to allow anyone) it would *not* be those three. Who do you think he would have chosen? (Chamber 007) [13:13] <tinkertime> i think luna has more to fight for than is on the surface [13:13] <Synesthesia> the twins [13:13] <Synesthesia> they are tough in a fight. [13:13] <cbm> agreed on the twins [13:13] <JaneMarple9> he didn't want ginny to be hurt [13:13] <Spectre> Twins surely [13:14] <tinkertime> her family is a bit on the fringe and probably deserves more respect [13:14] <futureweasley> adults [13:14] <bookworm1102> i think mybe the twins could he have gotten lupin, bill or charlie? [13:14] <cbm> I like that future, lupin comes to mind [13:14] <JaneMarple9> yeah the Twins would be his choice...maybe Lupin Tonks and Mad Eye too [13:14] <futureweasley> but if he couldn't take adults...good flyers...Angelina Johnson, and the twins [13:14] <tinkertime> harry is not one to ask for much help from anyone [13:14] <futureweasley> people he already knows how to work with as a team [13:14] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [13:14] <cbm> very true tinker [13:14] <Spectre> The Gryffindor Quidditch team smile [13:14] <JaneMarple9> i wish harry had the chance to check with lupin before he went off to the MOM sad [13:15] <tinkertime> true Jane [13:15] <bookworm1102> i think he would have gone alone though sense he dosent want anyone to get hurt [13:15] <JaneMarple9> yeah why not - the whole Quidditch team [13:15] <Synesthesia> yeah book five was full of depressing mistakes [13:15] <Spectre> plus Hermione [13:15] <Synesthesia> mcgonagal if she hadn't been stunned [13:15] <futureweasley> it's definitely a book of growth [13:15] <JaneMarple9> harry would want to go alone or just with hermione and ron [13:15] <futureweasley> Who would Ron have chosen? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:16] <JaneMarple9> fred and george [13:16] <Kneazly> Sorry, I've missed something--chosen for what? [13:16] <futureweasley> right, his brothers...but not Ginny [13:16] <JaneMarple9> and his older brothers - NOT Percy [13:16] <futureweasley> he is always her protector [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> I have no idea on this one. [13:16] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [13:16] <Spectre> Harry [13:16] <Spectre> [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Sophia [13:16] <cbm> The same people, plus his older brothers, and he mioght have tried to keep Hermione away. agreed on the not percy [13:16] <bookworm1102> harry fred geogre people who he would have trusted the most [13:16] <JaneMarple9> and not Ginny - he's always so protective of ginny [13:16] <futureweasley> Bill, Charlie and Harry [13:16] <tinkertime> true - not Ginny or hermione - he'd want to protect them - not that i think they need protecting ;) [13:16] <JaneMarple9> harry and hermione obviously [13:16] <futureweasley> he'd likely leave Hermione behind, too [13:16] <futureweasley> lol [13:17] <bookworm1102> lol [13:17] <Kneazly> What is he choosing them for? [13:17] <Sophia40> Hi all! [13:17] <cbm> that would be a fun discussion [13:17] <futureweasley> to go to the ministry and save Sirius [13:17] <JaneMarple9> I think he'd pick hermione [13:17] <Sophia40> What are we talking about? [13:17] <JaneMarple9> he knew they;d need logic too [13:17] <futureweasley> wouldn't it be, cbm [13:18] <futureweasley> Who would Hermione have chosen (to go to the ministry and save Sirius, instead of Ginny, Luna and Neville)? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:18] <JaneMarple9> lupin [13:18] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore [13:18] <futureweasley> McGonagall [13:18] <tinkertime> harry, ron, lupin, mad-eye tonks [13:18] <JaneMarple9> mcgonagall [13:18] <futureweasley> Tonks [13:18] <futureweasley> Ginny [13:18] <Kneazly> I think, if she can only choose from the people at school, she'd choose Ron and Harry [13:18] <bookworm1102> probably all adults including dumbledor, and mcgonagll [13:18] <JaneMarple9> all of the Order [13:18] <tinkertime> ginny too [13:18] <JaneMarple9> and of course ron and harry [13:19] <JaneMarple9> ginny...no she'd want her safe at hogwarts [13:19] <tinkertime> hermione would want some adults in the group [13:19] <futureweasley> I disagree [13:19] <Sophia40> Is this any body or just DA members? [13:19] <Spectre> Snape smile [13:19] <futureweasley> I think Hermione is the only one who would see Ginny as a strength and want her along [13:19] <JaneMarple9> snape????????????? [13:19] <cbm> I think she would tried to find someone in authority, some adult to assist them [13:19] <Kneazly> I'm surprised Hermione didn't want to go back to talk to Snape after they got rid of Umbridge [13:19] <tinkertime> future - i agree [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> I think you may be right, future. Harry underestimates her and Ron wants to protect Ginny. [13:20] <Spectre> The DA members arrived too quickly -------------------- |
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[13:20] <futureweasley> Harry is so persistent in his demands that it only be him that goes to save Sirius......why??? Concern for the safety of his friends or messiah complex? (Chamber 007)
[13:20] <bookworm1102> agreed mr. mcg [13:20] <cbm> I agree Kneazly, but they had wasted so much time, they needed to get going [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> concern for his friends, I think. [13:20] <Synesthesia> harry would rather risk his life than risk others lives [13:20] <JaneMarple9> he wants to protect his friends [13:20] <Spectre> he didn't want to involve anyone else [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't want to endanger anyone. [13:20] <futureweasley> a bit of both...I think he thinks that having them, at that moment, would only slow him down [13:20] <Sophia40> I think it is the saftey of his friends [13:20] <cbm> He does not want to see anyone get hurt [13:20] <Kneazly> Yes, concern for his friends--and a belief that really this involves only him [13:20] <Synesthesia> it's one of his weaknesses [13:20] <Synesthesia> saving people [13:20] <JaneMarple9> harry has a "saving people" thing smile [13:20] <tinkertime> i think it's because everything that drove him to the MoM was inside of his head - it wasn't a group experience [13:20] <Synesthesia> but that's a nice weakness [13:20] <futureweasley> and, they would be better off in the safety of Hogwarts protection [13:21] <bookworm1102> because harry feels that he is putting them in danger and maybe b/c its his destiny and not theres [13:21] <futureweasley> what it ISN'T about is "glory" [13:21] <JaneMarple9> oo booksworm nice summary [13:21] <tinkertime> and he felt that HE had to SAVE Sirius - maybe beacuse that is what Voldy put into his mind [13:21] <cbm> It is about Harry's love for Sirius [13:21] <Sophia40> but he at this point doesn't know it is his destiny ....book [13:21] <futureweasley> I think he saw it as a personal vendetta between LV and Harry [13:22] <JaneMarple9> yes [13:22] <futureweasley> LV stole Sirius...this involved noone else [13:22] <tinkertime> but he knows Sirius is his only family [13:22] <tinkertime> and it's a family thing - not a group thing [13:22] <cbm> I think in his heart, he might Sophia, they had met a few times before this [13:22] <bookworm1102> even though he had lupin maybe he saw sirius as the only link to his parents [13:22] <futureweasley> finally...chapter 34 questions!! *phew* [13:22] <futureweasley> Look around the Death Room. Why is set up the way it is? What did the DOM study there? [13:23] <Spectre> Various aspects of death [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> it's a very strange room. not so much a lab as an observation room. [13:23] <futureweasley> I think the death room might have studied magic's limitations on death and dying [13:23] <tinkertime> that sure is weird - makes me even more against the MoM - it's like a theatre for death [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> I agree tinker. [13:23] <futureweasley> what magic could do to stop death/bring people back from the dead [13:23] <Sophia40> I think life after Death [13:23] <cbm> It looks like it was used for some sort of rituals that were viewed by a number of people [13:23] <Synesthesia> theatre for death... [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> What do they do? Study the reactions of living creatures as they approach the veil? [13:23] <Synesthesia> hmm [13:23] <bookworm1102> i guess they could be trying to figure out why people die? [13:24] <Synesthesia> study who becomes a ghost and why? [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> LOL! We have so many questions. [13:24] <cbm> 4 of the 6 were mezmorized by the veil [13:24] <tinkertime> maybe the MoM shares the desire for immortality with Voldy [13:24] <Spectre> Brain death, physical death... I wonder if there's a room of "political death", Fudge would gladly use that one biggrin [13:24] <Synesthesia> it's a place for wizards to pass through when they die? [13:24] <Synesthesia> i wish that book would be bigger [13:24] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:25] <futureweasley> hi fawkes28 [13:25] <cbm> Hi fawkes [13:25] <Sophia40> Or how to bring back acroos the veil!!!! [13:25] <bookworm1102> hi fawkes [13:25] <fawkes28> Hey guys! smile [13:25] <futureweasley> Why did Harry think he was speaking to Sirius in the Death Room? [13:25] <futureweasley> I'm wondering if the veil has no sense of time [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> that's so weird. [13:25] <Sophia40> Doesn't it say that the viel is thinest at All hallows eve! [13:25] <cbm> I think it was foreshadowing [13:25] <bookworm1102> would that be a way to foreshadow? [13:26] <futureweasley> like, Sirius was already in there before he was physically "in there" [13:26] <JaneMarple9> foreshadowing [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps the veil was calling to Sirius. [13:26] <JaneMarple9> (((fawkes))) [13:26] <futureweasley> that's interesting MrMcG [13:26] <tinkertime> that doesn't make sense - if you have to pass thru the veil [13:26] <cbm> I think because he was looking for Sirius, that is what was on his mind [13:26] <JaneMarple9> perhaps mr mgc [13:26] <bookworm1102> prhaps the veil can tell the futruesmile [13:27] <futureweasley> Why could Harry and Luna hear the whispering behind the veil? Who was doing the whispering? Could the people beyond the veil hear them? [13:27] <Sophia40> Well he heard voices and assumed it was Sirius! [13:27] <futureweasley> "I hear dead people!" [13:27] <cbm> I think that the 3 people who had seen death and Ginny who was touched by evil were all enthralled by the veil [13:27] <Synesthesia> the people they've lost... [13:28] <bookworm1102> do you think maybe it was his family? like liy and james? [13:28] <Synesthesia> harry's whole family [13:28] <Synesthesia> luna's mother [13:28] <Spectre> and Luna's mother [13:28] <Sophia40> I was just thinking of this question! lol [13:28] <tinkertime> good ? bookworm [13:28] <futureweasley> I don't think that people who don't directly pass through the veil are "beyond the veil" [13:28] <cbm> I wonder what Ginny and Neville heard, they had to be lead out of the room also [13:28] <Sophia40> Has it some thing to do with a parents death? [13:28] <Synesthesia> neville has lost someone too. [13:28] <tinkertime> true future - because then the ghosts would be there [13:28] <Spectre> Neville also witnessed death... but Ginny? [13:29] <JaneMarple9> what would ginny hear then if so? [13:29] <cbm> she has been touched by voldemort [13:29] <futureweasley> Why were Ginny and Neville so enthralled with the veil? [13:29] <Synesthesia> she was possessed by voldermort [13:29] <Synesthesia> that could scramble a person's brain [13:29] <cbm> lol [13:29] <JaneMarple9> neville saw his grandad die [13:29] <bookworm1102> Ginny was close to death thought wasnt she? [13:29] <tinkertime> they could also all see thestrals [13:29] <futureweasley> I think they both had "near-death" experiences [13:29] <JaneMarple9> ginny couldn't [13:29] <futureweasley> like they were actually in danger [13:29] <fawkes28> I think it affects events from your past and Ginny had a horrible experience that I would still love to know exactly how she felt [13:30] <Spectre> but why Luna then? Or she was also damaged by her Mom's spell? [13:30] <Sophia40> I wonder if there is some force that draws people! Like going toward the light kinda thing! [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> This did strike me as odd. But maybe it's like dementors - the more terrible things you have in your past, the more it affects you. [13:30] <JaneMarple9> she probably saw her mom die [13:30] <cbm> I wonder if being possessed by Voldemort is the equivelent of seeing death [13:30] <JaneMarple9> her moms death affected luna...seeming she saw thestrals [13:30] <bookworm1102> i think ginnys thing w/ the cos and neville almost losing his parents made them interested in the veil [13:30] <cbm> at least where the veil is concerned [13:30] <Synesthesia> ew, who'd want voldermort crawling around their soul? [13:30] <futureweasley> Why weren’t Hermione or Ron enthralled with the veil? [13:30] <Spectre> We don't know what scenes did Voldemort show her in the diary... maybe, the murder of Myrtle? [13:30] <Synesthesia> he killed people starting at 16 [13:31] <Sophia40> Oooohhh I like the near death thing too!!! [13:31] <JaneMarple9> because they hadn't witnessed death [13:31] <cbm> They had never been touched by death or evil [13:31] <Synesthesia> they haven't been trough the stuff harry has. [13:31] <Synesthesia> they are afraid of voldermort, but it oesn't effect them like it does him [13:31] <bookworm1102> they didnt see or because they havent seen anyone die? or have they? [13:31] <JaneMarple9> i'll give you that ginny has been near death so she was fascinated with the veil [13:31] <tinkertime> does the veil know who is going to die? [13:31] <fawkes28> I think Hermione was just frightened of it because it is an unknown and she does not deal well with gray areas [13:31] <bookworm1102> agreed fawkes [13:31] <JaneMarple9> far as i know hermione and ron haven't seen death [13:32] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes thats possible [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> I think you're probably right fawkes. [13:32] <Sophia40> Well I think that hasn't really touched them yet! [13:32] <Sophia40> *death I mean* [13:32] <bookworm1102> i think that will all change , there perspective of death in book 7 [13:32] <cbm> they can not see thestrals, so at this point they had not seen death [13:33] <Synesthesia> i don't really want it too either [13:33] <Synesthesia> that would be too depressing [13:33] <futureweasley> What role do you think this room will play in Deathly Hallows? [13:33] *** SueDNim has joined #lounge [13:33] <Synesthesia> there are follks that are like, "harry will die" and i think, don't you like Harry? [13:33] <futureweasley> hi Sue! [13:33] <Synesthesia> he's a nice kid... [13:33] <cbm> I wonder if they saw the DE die in HBP [13:33] <SueDNim> Hi, all! I almost missed it! sad [13:33] <Synesthesia> hopefully a bit role. that place is interesting [13:33] <fawkes28> we are definitely coming back to this room - most likely for Harry's journey into the underworld [13:34] <tinkertime> DH cover US - is this just beyond the veil [13:34] <cbm> I am wondering if it is the cover picture, the description is close [13:34] <SueDNim> I think it is [13:34] <fawkes28> i don't know if it the thing on the cover though [13:34] <bookworm1102> i think this room might , and maybe future events might change some peoples perspective in book 7 [13:34] <cbm> I thought it was looking out of the veil into the room [13:34] <Kneazly> I dunno--didn't the illustrator call them curtains? [13:34] <Sophia40> I don't want to think about but I hope that LV will go this route so harry doesn't have to kill him! [13:34] <fawkes28> the curtains are parted on the cover and the veil is only one curtain in the book [13:34] <tinkertime> i think so - but then how will harry get out - fawkes maybe? (hoping ;) [13:35] <SueDNim> Tinker, gmta [13:35] <cbm> the veil had a single curtain, but besides that, I think it fits [13:35] <JaneMarple9> voldie goes through the veil in three weeks time! yay!!!! biggrin [13:35] <cbm> lol [13:35] <bookworm1102> lol [13:35] <futureweasley> What do you think was behind the firmly locked door? Why was it easy to get into the other rooms, but not this one? [13:35] <Synesthesia> love? [13:35] <cbm> The love room smile [13:35] <bookworm1102> love [13:35] <Synesthesia> a big bucket of glowing looooooooooooooove [13:35] <SueDNim> love [13:35] <tinkertime> the love room [13:35] <Synesthesia> glowing boiling pulsating LOVE [13:35] <JaneMarple9> love? [13:35] <Sophia40> The curtains ahve no bearing as we found out by Mary Grandpre [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> The greatest mystery of all. [13:35] <JaneMarple9>  [13:35] <fawkes28> I think this room is similar to Pandora's Box [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> One more powerful than death [13:36] <bookworm1102> thats intersting faekes [13:36] <cbm> I like that fawles [13:36] <JaneMarple9> thats a point fawkes...all was left in that box was hope [13:36] <fawkes28> I do not know if it is meant to be open until the very end, if that [13:36] <futureweasley> if it's love...is it all forms of love? or maybe platonic or romantic love? [13:36] <tinkertime> the power that Voldy does not know [13:36] *** bookworm1102 has quit [Bye] [13:36] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [13:36] <SueDNim> ooo nice ... Pandora's box. i like it. [13:36] <fawkes28> but if it is locked and mentioned several times, I have a feeling Jo wants us to see it [13:36] <futureweasley> I don't really know [13:36] <Synesthesia> maybe ALL SORTS OF AWESOME LOOOOVE [13:37] <Sophia40> Fawkes that is so great!!! [13:37] <bookworm1102> could there be a hourcux and the mom didnt know what it was [13:37] <tinkertime> we'll find out soon - whatever it is! [13:37] <futureweasley> What happened to the Ministry’s security? [13:37] <fawkes28> I keep going back to that spell that DD used on Voldemort that Harry didnt know but felt it's power - i believe it was a form of love [13:37] <Sophia40> Pandoras box is such a great comparison! [13:37] <cbm> I think Lucius had it removed [13:37] <Spectre> Malfoy bribed the guards smile [13:38] <cbm> why bribe, he could just tell fudge to do it [13:38] <tinkertime> agree w/ cbm & Spectre [13:38] <bookworm1102> they went on 'vacation":) [13:38] <fawkes28> oh, that is an excellent point, spectre [13:38] <Spectre> also there were other Ministry employees - MacNair, Rookwood (and Mulciber?) [13:38] <SueDNim> I just figured the Ministry didn't bother with security on the night shift. Even in the day they only have Eric sitting at his desk. [13:38] <Kneazly> Somehow those DEs got them out of the way--we don't know if there really was anyone besides Eric [13:38] <JaneMarple9> fudge or umbridge intervened [13:38] <JaneMarple9> or of course there was malfoy senior [13:38] <fawkes28> i also think that there wasn't as much security as there could have been since Fudge was not willing to admit that Voldemort is back [13:38] <futureweasley> Once he noticed the security was missing, why didn’t Harry say something to the group? Shouldn’t this have been a big clue something was going to go badly? [13:38] <JaneMarple9> yes [13:39] <SueDNim> Yeah, it should have, but Harry was anything but rational at that point [13:39] <tinkertime> yes, but harry was obsessed with finding Sirius [13:39] <bookworm1102> what if the seacurity was DEs? [13:39] <Synesthesia> he was too busy going must save SIRIUS [13:39] <JaneMarple9> it did seem strange there was no secruity as harry entered the MOM [13:39] <fawkes28> a little detail like that isnt going to stop him [13:39] <cbm> I think that Harry was not thinking straight at this point, He has been up a long time and he has a one track mind; Sirius [13:39] <Spectre> well... he knew that Sirius and the enemies were at the Ministry... [13:39] <fawkes28> Harry always took matters into his own hands [13:39] <JaneMarple9> but sirius was all he wanted to save [13:39] <Kneazly> But just having Sirius and LV there would maybe have made Harry assume something was already wrong with security [13:39] <tinkertime> true fawkes [13:39] <fawkes28> yes, Jane [13:39] <bookworm1102> i guess that sould have been a hint that somthing was wrong [13:40] <JaneMarple9> the only thing on his mind was sirius sirius sirius [13:40] <Kneazly> He would already have been thinking there was no security on duty, or maybe they'd have noticed LV and Sirius coming in [13:40] <futureweasley> What was the point of the Brain Room? What would the DOM study in that Room? Whose brains are in the tank? [13:41] <Spectre> I think they study brain death smile [13:41] <Synesthesia> memories [13:41] <Kneazly> Maybe studying intelligence? [13:41] <JaneMarple9> memories [13:41] <Synesthesia> memories taken when people's memroies are altered [13:41] <JaneMarple9> that sounds good [13:41] <Kneazly> Memories is a neat idea Synthesia [13:41] <cbm> Memories and intelligence are both good [13:41] <Synesthesia> that's where they keep them [13:41] <bookworm1102> i guess to study how the mind works [13:41] <tinkertime> but the brains attacked - why? [13:41] <JaneMarple9> i only wish it was voldie's brains! [13:41] <SueDNim> I have NO idea. But it always distracts me because it reminds me of The Man With Two Brains and also of Frankenstein [13:41] <fawkes28> i always had an interesting theory that maybe one of the Hogwart's Founders had one of their brains in there for studying purposes [13:42] <futureweasley> not only memories..I think intelligence, too [13:42] <Kneazly> I don't think they attacked--Ron accio'd them, so they held on [13:42] <bookworm1102> or to see how magic eorked on the brain since one attacked ron [13:42] <Sophia40> I think brain potential! [13:42] <bookworm1102> *worked [13:42] <JaneMarple9> could they be inferi brains? [13:42] * cbm is reminded of the star trek episode "Spock's Brain" [13:42] <futureweasley> what makes a Ravenclaw a Ravenclaw...or a Slytherin a Slytherin [13:42] <futureweasley> ? [13:42] <bookworm1102> intersting jane [13:42] <tinkertime> would a "good" brain kill because it was accio'd [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> That's interesting, fawkes. [13:43] <JaneMarple9> or even Unspeakable's brains - Unspeakables who have gone to the other side of the veil? [13:43] <futureweasley> I'mn not sure...tha's just so weird [13:43] <Synesthesia> the memories, maybe they wanted to possess someone... [13:43] * MrMcGonagall is getting grossed out. [13:43] <Synesthesia> i hope they got that right in the movie at least. [13:43] <cbm> But how was it able to attack with out a body [13:43] <Synesthesia> darn movies... [13:43] <Kneazly> Was it trying to kill him? Or just to pass thoughts on? [13:43] <Synesthesia> make me so mad. [13:43] <Synesthesia> naw... [13:43] <Synesthesia> i'm not sure what they were trying to do. [13:43] <SueDNim> I think the thoughts were just trying to find a body to attach themselves to [13:43] <fawkes28> i think any of their brains would be fascinating to study [13:43] <Synesthesia> it was cool how they had all these pictures behind them [13:44] <Kneazly> I agree Sue [13:44] <Synesthesia> dang, that scene is awesome [13:44] <futureweasley> In the Time Room, the rescuers make their way past a bell jar which seems to hold wind and a hummingbird. What was the point of that jar? [13:44] <Synesthesia> They better get it right in the movie but they won't! [13:44] <Synesthesia> time. [13:44] <Kneazly> Cycle of life [13:44] <tinkertime> maybe the MoM had tortured them & they struck out [13:44] <Synesthesia> they store time... these magic people are dangerous and intense. [13:44] <Synesthesia> they have memories, they have time... [13:44] <Synesthesia> they have love [13:44] <Synesthesia> they have death... [13:44] <Synesthesia> muggles should be scared of them [13:44] <bookworm1102> that rom was a little confuing to me [13:44] *** giulii27 has joined #lounge [13:44] <Spectre> not only muggles smile [13:44] <fawkes28> It reminds me of Fawkes and how Fawkes is constantly being reborn [13:45] <Spectre> Maybe, those things were used for Time Turners development? [13:45] <SueDNim> Maybe they use the time that's bottled up in the bell jar to make time-turners? [13:45] <Sophia40> I cycle of life! ....brilliant! [13:45] <Spectre> Sue biggrin [13:45] <futureweasley> the bell jar kind of confuses me [13:45] <SueDNim> aw, you beat me to it smile [13:45] <tinkertime> there are alot of things in the dept o myst that have to do with stopping death & changing time [13:45] <futureweasley> especially later when the baby head thing happens to the Death Eater [13:45] <bookworm1102> me too future [13:45] <Synesthesia> *wonders if they will even have that in the film, should i see this movie if they will cut out cool stuff?* [13:45] <fawkes28> all of the DoM is very confusing [13:45] <Synesthesia> now that was cool. [13:45] <fawkes28> which is what is so intriguing about it [13:46] *** giulii27 left #lounge [] [13:46] <futureweasley> Hermione can see Sirius is not there. Harry can see it as well. Obviously something bad is going on, why didn’t he turn back then? [13:46] <fawkes28> don't get your hopes up, Synesthesia - movies never live up to the books - especially the HP ones [13:46] <cbm> So it seems that they are working life'd deepest mysteries, I have never thought about it before like that [13:46] <tinkertime> since wizards aren't reproducing much - it seems they are trying to stop time & extend their lives [13:46] <Spectre> Harry wanted to know what he was seeing for this whole year [13:46] <bookworm1102> b/c harry was there to find sirius and he would not give up untill they found him [13:46] <fawkes28> because he is the hero and wanted to make sure he was safe [13:47] <tinkertime> and the DoM is where they are coming up with the techniques [13:47] <cbm> Because Ron saw or was directed to the prophecy [13:47] <tinkertime> not too different from voldy-thing [13:47] <fawkes28> Harry didnt see him at Grimmauld Place - he had to make sure he really wasnt there [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Hmm. I wonder if Harry has trouble admitting he's wrong. [13:47] <cbm> I think they are seconds from leaving at that point [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> He didn't want to believe he had fallen for it. [13:47] <SueDNim> Because he's obsessed and not thinking clearly, and he's alsot too ashamed to admit his mistake in front of his friends [13:47] <bookworm1102> agreed sue [13:47] <SueDNim> He's already gotten them in trouble and taken them on a dangerous journey [13:47] <fawkes28> oh, i like that Mr. M [13:47] <tinkertime> voldy had put this idea into his head [13:47] <Kneazly> If Ron hadn't noticed the prophecy, I think they would have tried to leave--but the DE's would have stepped in to prevent that [13:47] <Spectre> Also he's not sure how to get back [13:48] <bookworm1102> he didnt want it to be a trap [13:48] <tinkertime> true MrMcG [13:48] <cbm> It was not a trap until Lucius opened his mouth [13:48] <Synesthesia> *sighs over the sadness of hp movies not being as cool as the books* by then, he probably didn't know what to do. [13:48] <futureweasley> Hermione's words of caution came flooding back to me...and I thought, "Hermione bested you again, Harry!" [13:48] <Synesthesia> he thought sirius was there... [13:48] <futureweasley> he's got to learn to at least CONSIDER what it is that she's saying [13:48] <Synesthesia> and he wasn't, so he probably had a #$#$ moment when he as like, how do we get out of this? [13:49] <tinkertime> true future - he needs to listen to his friends & advisors alot more in DH [13:49] <cbm> But in the next book she will be totally wrong about malfoy [13:49] <bookworm1102> agrees tinker [13:49] <SueDNim> agreed tinker! [13:49] *** Smartaps_2 has joined #lounge [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> I just want to tell Harry to pause and reflect at times. [13:49] <futureweasley> how so, cbm?> [13:49] <Sophia40> I think that he was really scared for his friends at this point! [13:49] <fawkes28> right, cbm - sometimes she gets it right and sometimes she doesnt [13:49] <Synesthesia> harry wears his heart on his sleeves. [13:49] <Kneazly> Are 15 year olds known for pausing and reflecting? [13:49] <SueDNim> lol good point [13:49] <Synesthesia> and he doesn't always think things out, but he has hero syndrome [13:49] <cbm> I think Hermione does well when there are no authority figures around to give her direction [13:49] <fawkes28> true, kneazly [13:50] <tinkertime> Yes MrMcG - he kinda plows ahead without ever stopping to reconsider [13:50] <Synesthesia> he just goes, OH NO, SOMEONE IS IN DANGER, MUST SAVE THEM NO MATTER WHAT [13:50] <Smartaps_2> but he should have I think [13:50] <SueDNim> just like Sirius [13:50] <futureweasley> please be mindful of the caps. thank you smile [13:50] <Synesthesia> sorry [13:50] <Synesthesia> but that's how he thinks. [13:50] <Kneazly> Yes Sue--like Sirius [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Only 10 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1281164 [13:51] <tinkertime> but Sirius isn't always about saving people - he did try to kill Snape [13:51] <SueDNim> <3 Sirius <3 .... *sniff* [13:51] <Synesthesia> sirius= rage [13:51] <Smartaps_2> his intention was certainly not murder! [13:51] <Synesthesia> he's just firey and passionate [13:51] <cbm> Here she thought it out on her own and was the voice of reason, in HBP she will defer to DD and make his same mistake, I think she will do fine in DH [13:51] <SueDNim> I don't think he intended to kill him, just scare him [13:51] <futureweasley> Had they turned back then, would the Death Eaters have allowed them to leave? [13:51] <Kneazly> But the impulse-control bit, stops them thinking things thourhg [13:51] <Kneazly> No way, no how. [13:51] <Synesthesia> probably not [13:52] <Sophia40> No !!! [13:52] <bookworm1102> probably not [13:52] <Spectre> No [13:52] <SueDNim> No; they'd sprung their trap; they wouldn't let them leave [13:52] <tinkertime> no - Bella would never give up the chance to kill someone [13:52] <Spectre> but without the prophecy... [13:52] <cbm> No, I think Lucious would have tried to torture his companions until he got the prophecy [13:52] <Sophia40> the death eaters want that prophecy! [13:52] <bookworm1102> would the DEs ever let Harry leave alive? [13:52] <fawkes28> nope, even Harry says if he hands over the prophecy, they arent going to let them go skipping out of there unharmed [13:52] <SueDNim> right [13:52] <cbm> An Harry knew that Fawkes [13:52] <JaneMarple9> the death eaters were determined to get that prophecy [13:52] <Synesthesia> they are not the most moral people in the world. [13:53] <Spectre> and they couldn't retrieve it without Harry [13:53] <fawkes28> i dont think they would have killed Harry, but the others they wouldnt even think about [13:53] <fawkes28> Harry would have been brought back to voldemort [13:53] <Kneazly> They would have attempted to torture the others to get Harry to pick it up [13:53] <tinkertime> LM might have left with the prophecy & let the rest take care of the DA [13:53] <Spectre> I agree Kneazly [13:53] <Smartaps_2> but if harry'd fought, do you think he could have got himself saved? [13:53] <JaneMarple9> i don't think they'd be bothered if any of the gang were "accidently" killed [13:54] <Smartaps_2> right.... [13:54] <Sophia40> I want to know what Bella had to say to LV when she asked if He was pure-blood. *Fly on the wall* [13:54] <futureweasley> How did the Death Eaters stay hidden? [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> I suspect you're right, Jane. Pleasing LV is more important than one's companions in the DE Handbook. [13:54] <JaneMarple9> invisability cloaks? [13:54] <cbm> Probably the same way that DD did in SS/PS [13:54] <Spectre> The charm that was used on Harry when flying from Privet Drive [13:54] <bookworm1102> invisablity cloaks/ diluoment charms? [13:54] <JaneMarple9> surely voldie's friends have them too [13:54] <fawkes28> that is a lot of invisibility cloaks and they are supposed to be rare [13:54] <Sophia40> Yep my thought to ...Jane [13:55] <JaneMarple9> thats good...disillusionament charms too [13:55] <cbm> disallusionment, that is the charm I was thinking of [13:55] <Spectre> disillusionment charm, that's how were they called? [13:55] <Kneazly> An invisibility marquee, lol [13:55] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:55] <Smartaps_2> you can never know!!lol [13:55] <bookworm1102> me too cbm, i just couldnt spell it smile [13:55] <JaneMarple9> A hagrid sized invisability cloak do them then? biggrin [13:55] <fawkes28> they were focused on Sirius and Voldemort being there - not anyone else - they werent as focused as they could have been [13:55] <Sophia40> lololo!!!! Kneazly [13:56] <SueDNim> "black shapes were emerging out of thin air all around them" ... this is after LM speaks. I think he was there [13:56] <SueDNim> hiding in the shadows [13:56] <JaneMarple9> good point fawkes [13:56] <SueDNim> and the others apparated on a given signal [13:56] <tinkertime> maybe like a chameleon spell [13:56] <fawkes28> ok time for me to go - see you all later smile [13:56] <cbm> bye [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, fawkes! [13:56] <Kneazly> With Harry running around, they must have been well hidden for him not to run into them [13:56] <tinkertime> bye fawkes [13:56] <Kneazly> bye fawkes [13:56] <JaneMarple9> bye fawkes [13:56] <bookworm1102> maybe half were under the charm and the other half had inviablity cloaks [13:56] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [13:57] <bookworm1102> bye fawkes [13:57] <futureweasley> sorry about our technical difficulties, but all in all, this was a great chat [13:57] <bookworm1102> or somthing to that effect [13:57] <Spectre> maybe, one of them had Arthur's invisibility cloak? [13:57] <JaneMarple9> perhaps [13:57] <JaneMarple9> i think it was moody's though [13:57] <Spectre> MacNair could retrieve it [13:57] <Synesthesia> r they had just appeared just as harry got the prophecy [13:57] <tinkertime> thanks future [13:57] <Smartaps_2> perhaps lucius had helped them in [13:58] <JaneMarple9> oh yeah...arthur had a cloak on with the snake attack [13:58] <cbm> It was a few seconds after Harry picked it up, he had time to wipe it off and the other 5 gathered around [13:58] <Kneazly> they were watching somehow [13:58] <futureweasley> ok, thanks for coming today, everyone! Hope to see you again tomorrow for our HarryPotterSeven.com discussion! Should be a good one! [13:59] *** SueDNim has quit [Bye] [13:59] <bookworm1102> bye guys [13:59] <Spectre> bye all smile [13:59] <tinkertime> bye everyone! [13:59] <Kneazly> Bye everyone. Thanks mods! [13:59] <futureweasley> take care all! see you soon! [13:59] <Smartaps_2> Adios!! [13:59] <cbm> Bye! Have a great day! 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