RG Corner Booth Transcript: Feb 17, 2007, Goblet of Fire chapters 32-34 |
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Aislinn futureweasley Mr. McGonagall SoonerGryffindor and with our Butterfly guests: Pleshette and cloudpic *** Topic is: Open Reading Group chat <Aislinn> hey Mr M <Pleshette> Hi MrMcG! <cloudpic> hey, Mr. McG <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! <bemused> hello Mr McG <JaneMarple9> Hi Mr McGonagall! <Aislinn> Nick has us on a shiny new server today <Aislinn> seems to be working nicely <cloudpic> Ooooo... wonderful! <cloudpic> I couldn't chat the last two times I came... sad <Pleshette> It's like smooth sock sliding in the Great Hall! ;) <bemused> ooo - does that mean we have to be extra good! <MrMcGonagall> Hooray for smooth socks! <cloudpic> Yes! Wheeeeee.... <Aislinn> nothing happened when you typed, cloudpic? <Pleshette> Oh really cloudpic? sad <cloudpic> nope... I could read what everyone else said, but nothing entered. <cloudpic> Frustrating! They were good chats!! <Aislinn> that happened to me if I was on Firefox <bemused> that must ahve been frustrating <bemused> *have <Aislinn> I could only type in here on internet explorer *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hi harryfreak359 smile <Pleshette> Hey harryfreak! <JaneMarple9> hi harryfreak <rae25rae> hi mr. mcgonagall! <cbm> Firefox works perfectly for me <cloudpic> Firefox is my fav. but I tried IE and AOL to no avail <bemused> hello harryfreak! <rae25rae> hello harryfreak <MrMcGonagall> Hi, rae25rae! <Aislinn> it is my fav as well - I'm so glad to be back on it now! <cloudpic> Me too, today, cbm * cloudpic doing a happy dance *** Danny2006 has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> Hey everyone smile <Aislinn> hi Danny2006 <cloudpic> Welcome, Danny <Danny2006> hi *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge * Pleshette spins cloudpic under her arm. <rae25rae> haven't used firefox. i use AOL..it's terrible, but i never thought of switching <Pleshette> Hey Danny, Hey Sooner! *** Danny2006 has quit [Bye] <cbm> The only problem I have ever had is being cut off once and not being able to get back in because it said I was already in and the command to change the nickname did not work <Aislinn> Firefox is a free download rae, and it's a nice browser <Aislinn> I much prefer it to AOL <SoonerGryffindor> Hello everyone! <harryfreak359> hi Sooner <Aislinn> hello sooner! <bemused> hello Sooner * SoonerGryffindor is sooooo happy to be here in FF and have the booth behaving itself <rae25rae> really? i'll have to try it out <cloudpic> macs lurve Firefox <cloudpic> Hey, Sooner! <harryfreak359> lol <SoonerGryffindor> hey <JaneMarple9> Hey there Sooner smile <bemused> is anyone using this colour? <SoonerGryffindor> can you guys believe that we are done with GoF now? <SoonerGryffindor> Where has the time gone? <cbm> What like about firefox is all of the add-ons <harryfreak359> No, it's hard to believe it!!!! It seems we were just starting <Pleshette> It sure went by fast <cloudpic> Thankee kindly, Nick for our slippery floor... ermm, no that in the GH... for our sliddy table top (Corner Booth has a table, right?) <cbm> 2 books to go and not a lot of time sad <bemused> I don't want it to end - can we steal the key to the Great Hall? <SoonerGryffindor> I know cbm, it will be over before we know it <rae25rae> this is quite random, but the other day i said to one of my mugglenet chat friends "i wish that the Leaky Chat was 24/7" but then we'd all be talking nonesense <rae25rae> *nonsense <SoonerGryffindor> lol rae <harryfreak359> hehehe <Pleshette> I'm looking forward to dissecting OotP! It's been a while since I've read it. <cloudpic> I don't think it'll need to end... people still discuss LofR and Dickens! <rae25rae> same here, Pleshette <SoonerGryffindor> I cant wait for the sorting. OotP is my favorite <Aislinn> since we had the Valentine's event last weekend, our chat today will actually be on last week's chapters, and we can do the last chapters next weekend. <harryfreak359> i can't read wait to read OotP...my favorite <cbm> R the reading groups going to get through both books before DH <SoonerGryffindor> no <MrMcGonagall> I haven't read it in a while either, as OotP isn't my favorite in the series, but the reading groups always give me a new appreciation for things I've missed. <cloudpic> Oh, yeah... Order has some yummy stuff (Tonks!) <cbm> bummer!!!! <harryfreak359> Jo should have waited for us to finish them both up! biggrin <rae25rae> lol <rae25rae> definitely <Pleshette> lol hf <cbm> very true * cloudpic memo to self: Dear Jo and publishers... Wait!!! *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge <cbm> I was hoping we could try at 4 chapters a week <harryfreak359> lol <cloudpic> Welcome kaelgirl <Pleshette> It's not my favorite either MrMcG, but I said that about GoF before we covered it in the RGs <rae25rae> hi kaelgirl <harryfreak359> i'd just farther behind with 4 lol <Pleshette> Now I have a new appreciation smile <cloudpic> Me too, harryfreak! <harryfreak359> i can't seem to keep up when I am restricted lol <cloudpic> I like the RG's because we take our time and savor the Books!! <cbm> 3 is about right for me, it is slow enough I can keep up <kaelgirl> hey everyone <harryfreak359> i either read it all in two days...or get really far behind <bemused> hello kaelgirl <SoonerGryffindor> OotP is tied with HBP as my favorites <Pleshette> Hi kaelgirl! <MrMcGonagall> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. <MrMcGonagall> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. <MrMcGonagall> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules <MrMcGonagall> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! <Aislinn> The portkey carries Harry and Cedric to a graveyard, where Cedric is killed by Wormtail who ties up Harry against Tom Riddle Sr.'s gravestone. After placing fetalMort into the cauldron, he proceeds to prepare a potion, using bone from Tom Sr, his own hand, and a bit of Harry's blood. Lord Voldemort arises from the cauldron, reborn. <Aislinn> Voldemort calls his Death Eaters back to his side, and explains to them what had happened to him, and "[confesses] himself disappointed" in their actions. After punishing one, and praising those in Azkaban, he points out Harry's presence and the fact that he is now able to touch him. <Aislinn> After tormenting Harry a bit, he has Wormtail free him, so that they can duel. Harry decides to face him like a man, and in casting the Expelliarmus spell, finds his wand and Voldemort's connected by streams of light, which split into a many threaded dome around them. Phoenix song comes from the dome, which strengthens Harry and causes Voldemort consternation. <Aislinn> Harry engages in a battle of wills with Voldemort, which results in the latter's wand regurgitating shades of it's past deeds and the people killed, including Harry's Mum and Dad. They help him to escape, which he does by grabbing Cedric's body and the portkey, and being transported back to Hogwarts. [12:17] <Aislinn> All caught up? Good! Turning to the chat: [12:18] <Aislinn> Cedric's death is the first death we've had "on camera" as it were. What does this do for the emotional connection we have with Harry? Why would Jo chose to make this the first death we (and Harry) see? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:18] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [12:18] <Pleshette> It's so sudden, shocking [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that it was very emotional [12:18] <cbm> I was shocked to have Cedric be killed almost casually [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> It does just come out of the blue. [12:18] *** phpNickTLC has quit [Bye] [12:18] <Aislinn> I think is went along with the return of Voldemort - it all is more real, more deadly [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Honestly, I think 3 of the saddest words in all of literature are "kill the spare" [12:19] <bemused> It's a boy we've come to like, and we've seen his good qualities [12:19] <cloudpic> I knew someone would die... Cedric didn't seem like a likely "target" [12:19] <rae25rae> but it was cedric, so it was less painful for harry. killing sirius first would kill harry's will. but he wasn't too connected to harry. yeah, it was shocking [12:19] <kaelgirl> It gave Harry the knowledge that Voldemort will kill anyone and anything in his way. [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> It was such a callous act. [12:19] <bemused> Yes, Sooner - it's so terribly cold-blooded [12:19] <kaelgirl> a first hand look at his cruelty [12:19] <cloudpic> I hated Voldemort thoroughly for those words: "Kill the spare," Sooner! [12:19] <rae25rae> i agree, kaelgirl [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, to LV he doesnt even have a name. He is just "the spare". Its so sad [12:19] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [12:19] <Aislinn> yes, so careless, as if Cedric's life meant nothing [12:19] <harryfreak359> it is sad indeed Sooner.... [12:19] <cbm> I think it brought in to focus how evil LV truly was [12:20] <Aislinn> hi whisper [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> hello ww [12:20] <bemused> And worse for Harry, because he wanted Cedric to take the cup with him [12:20] <cloudpic> hmm.. interesting rae... sort of to prepare Harry? (and us) [12:20] <Whisperwing> Oh so that's how far we've gotten then [12:20] <Pleshette> We''ve just seen a very honorable moment with Cedric, passing on Hufflepuff glory...then he's killed in an instant [12:20] *** danae24 has joined #lounge [12:20] <Pleshette> I agree cbm [12:20] <Whisperwing> Hi gang [12:20] <rae25rae> yeah, thats what i was thinking cloudpic [12:20] <danae24> Hi everyone!!! [12:20] <cloudpic> Yes, Pleshette! That made it doubly hard... [12:20] <Aislinn> hi danae [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it made all of us realize that being a good guy did not give you a pass [12:20] <Pleshette> Hi danae! [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo is going to do bad things to good people as well [12:20] <cloudpic> Hi, danae, whisperw [12:21] <Whisperwing> Nor does being evil bring swift justice [12:21] <cbm> very true sooner [12:21] <rae25rae> that was probably the scariest chapter i've ever read in my life..just saying [12:21] <Aislinn> and that killing is a brutal, sudden and shocking act [12:21] <cloudpic> Not Jo! But evil! [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> The innocent are always the first victims. [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> And Cedric's wand core was a unicorn hair. [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> ys [12:21] <Aislinn> What do you make of the ingredients of the Voldemort restorative elixir? Why was each ingredient necessary: the bone, the hand, and the blood? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:21] <danae24> Yes, it sad that someone that didnt even had something to do to pay the prize [12:21] <Pleshette> You're right Ais...and we know that he can kill Cedric so easily, what's in store for Harry? [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> and I wont even bring up what other 2 people have it [12:21] <Pleshette> *if [12:22] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:22] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's part of the ancient magic. Flesh, blood and bone - very elemental for the human body. [12:22] <cloudpic> I'm still chanting: "Let it drown".... but each seemed meaningful [12:22] <JaneMarple9> testing [12:22] <JaneMarple9> yep [12:22] <Whisperwing> Which incidentally has got a fierce side, I mean there's plenty of legends of unicorns using those horns to impale enemies, so it's not a guarantee of fluffy sweetness even with the unicorn hair core. [12:22] <rae25rae> um, i think that he could've gotten a body without harry's blood. harry's blood just gave LV (in his opinion) the ability to touch Harry..? i'm not sure [12:22] <harryfreak359> i think that they all would be important to it. [12:22] <cloudpic> W/B Jane [12:22] <Aislinn> we're just starting to talk about the ingredients for the potion Jane [12:22] <Aislinn> the bone, hand, and blood [12:22] <cbm> The bone to recover some of himself, and then a willing and unwilling sacrifice [12:22] <rae25rae> *i meant in his opionion an advantage [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I still don't think that the hand was truly "wilingly" given [12:23] <cloudpic> He needed blood, but not Harry's... wanted Harry's for personal reasons (so he could get Lily's ancient "protection"... odd since that came from love [12:23] <rae25rae> yes [12:23] <danae24> I guess Voldy needed those 3 things because those 3 things keep him alive...... The father who brough him to life, the servant that helps and the enemy that drives him to defeat him and stay alive [12:23] <Aislinn> yes, rae, I think he could have used any "enemy's" blood [12:23] <JaneMarple9> sounds like a Potion Snape might make smile [12:23] <Pleshette> Right rae, with Harry's blood LV has an advantage [12:23] <cloudpic> That may cause LV problems if you're right, Sooner [12:23] <Whisperwing> The bone of the father, stolen without knowledge of its owner, symbolic of the absence of his own father's presence in his childhood. [12:23] <bemused> It's flesh, blood and bone - but also three types of victim - willing, forced and unknowing [12:23] <JaneMarple9> Any enemies blood would have done yes [12:23] <Whisperwing> The flesh of the servant, symbolic of his hordes of followers when he was at the height of his power, [12:23] <Aislinn> good point whisper [12:23] <Pleshette> I think it may have been Sooner [12:23] <rae25rae> i am just waiting for the slap in the face...the reason that LV shouldn't have used Harry's blood [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> its interesting that he has his father's DNA again [12:23] <cbm> He did it to himself, so I think that qualifies as willingly though wormtail was not happy about it [12:23] <cloudpic> Oh! that is an interesting take on things, bemused [12:24] <JaneMarple9> but Harry was the prime target...or perhaps Dumbledores? [12:24] <danae24> but are there really other enemies than DD or Harry??? Others are just afraid, but not LV's enemy [12:24] <Whisperwing> And the blood of his arch enemy, who struck him down from the cradle, to balance the score between them. [12:24] <JaneMarple9> would Dumbledore's blood be the same? [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I would call anyone in the Order his enemies [12:24] <Aislinn> I think all of the Order and the Aurors, danae [12:24] <cloudpic> Needed Harry's for the ability to touch him... and the prophecy doesn't say Dumbledore'll get him... [12:24] <danae24> that's true..... [12:24] <Pleshette> Wormtail was hoping to gain LV's favor through this sacrifice, so it may have been willingly given [12:24] <cbm> Dumbledore's blood I think could of made him live, but there would have been no gleam of triumph [12:25] <JaneMarple9> wormtail worships Voldemort, he'll do anything for him [12:25] <rae25rae> and it wasn't specifically his WORST enemy. LV took Harry's blood because he saw it as an advantage. taking dumbledore's blood...what would that do? [12:25] <danae24> I agree cbm [12:25] <cloudpic> I think Wormtail was willing... intellectually... but it's still a dreadful thing to have to do [12:25] <bemused> I think Worltail was willing - scared, but willing [12:25] <MrMcGonagall> I think it would have been a little difficult obtaining any of DD's blood. [12:25] <rae25rae> true. [12:25] <bemused> *wormtail [12:25] <JaneMarple9> but I think wormtails new hand is interesting....a silver hand [12:25] <Pleshette> yes I agree bemused and cloudpic [12:25] <Aislinn> The solution in the cauldron turns WHITE when it's ready to resurrect Voldemort. Usually that is a color associated with purity and innocence, why choose that for this? (Room 18–The Atrium). [12:25] <kaelgirl> Harry is the person LV ultimately wants dead. Dumbledore wasn't the one who took LV's powers to begin with. [12:26] <bemused> Doesn't it go white when Harry's blood is added? [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that its interesting that it turned white when Harry's blood was added [12:26] <Whisperwing> I really think it had to be Harry's blood, because in a sense Harry drew first blood thirteen years before, and Voldemort was drawing fresh blood to counter that. [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol bemused [12:26] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe it has something to do with the quality of Harry's blood specifically. [12:26] <cloudpic> Maybe because he's getting a fresh new life? After all, the magic isn't evil...he is. [12:26] <harryfreak359> Hmmm that's a good question... [12:26] <JaneMarple9> no idea [12:26] <rae25rae> white..pure, loving..Harry's blood. Harry was loving? [12:26] <bemused> I thought that was to do with Harry's purity - or maybe soething to do with the 'gleam' [12:26] <cbm> I missed the colors, but Harry's blood sounds good to me [12:26] <Pleshette> Reinforces the fact that Harry is pure of heart, his blood purifies the potion in some way [12:26] <rae25rae> true, cloudpic, true [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Maybe the color change was an indication that the blood really was the blood of an enemy? [12:26] <JaneMarple9> you would have though it would go green or red [12:26] <cloudpic> It's a resurrection... it's birth... it's baptism... all good new starts. It's just LV who is evil [12:27] <danae24> I agree cloud [12:27] <rae25rae> i totally agree as well [12:27] *** ethompson6 has joined #lounge [12:27] <Pleshette> Oo great thoughts cloudpic [12:27] <Aislinn> it struck me as an abomination of those things, cloudpic [12:27] <JaneMarple9> that sounds reasonable Cloud [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> like in potions class the color is always very important and indicative of if you have made the potion right or not [12:27] <harryfreak359> hmmmm good thought Cloudpic [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, like magical genetic engineering at its worst. [12:27] <cloudpic> Yes, Sooner, you're right... [12:27] <bemused> Yes, Mr McG - een down to Riddle DNA [12:28] <cloudpic> I like that idea Pleshette... pure of heart (Harry) [12:28] <bemused> *even [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> so maybe this particular potion turns white when you have truly used the blood of an enemy [12:28] <Pleshette> Which is so contradictory to what emerges from the cauldron..pure evil [12:28] <danae24> So, a very skilled person would have had to do that particular potion........ [12:28] <Aislinn> yes, very contradictory [12:28] <JaneMarple9> harry definatly respresents purity agreed [12:28] <rae25rae> resurrection. is it truly an evil thing though? i mean, immortality and resurrection go hand in hand...so maybe it is truly evil magic? [12:28] <cbm> I find it interesting that he got nothing from his one magical parent [12:28] <bemused> Wormtail has skill [12:28] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:28] <kaelgirl> me too, cbm [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> That is interesting, cbm. [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think going against nature like that is an abomination [12:28] <Aislinn> hey debbie [12:28] <harryfreak359> hi Debbie [12:28] <JaneMarple9> hi debbie [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Debbie! [12:28] <kaelgirl> hey debbie! [12:28] <danae24> Hi Debbie! [12:28] <cloudpic> LV puppetting Wormtail... he's not an unskilled wizard...after all he's an animagus and he found LV [12:28] <DumbleDebbie> hey there smile [12:29] <Whisperwing> His evil is no longer that pure because he does have Essence of Harry within him now. [12:29] <bemused> hello Debbie! [12:29] <cloudpic> Hey, DumbleDeb [12:29] <Pleshette> Hey Debbie! [12:29] <cloudpic> Oh, I soooo hope you're right Whisperwing! [12:29] <Aislinn> Why a “stone” cauldron? (cloudpic, Room 18–The Atrium) Why and how was Wormtail moving the stone cauldron Muggle style (pushing!) with much wheezing? And where did it come from? (cloudpic, Room 18–The Atrium). [12:29] <rae25rae> i never really thought about the color of the solution. now i'm completely confused. because resurrection is evil.. [12:29] <danae24> I guess it turns white because LV will have that purity that Harry has in him........ [12:29] <JaneMarple9> from Snape's dungeon? smile [12:29] <cloudpic> Resurrection is good, rae. [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> That is strange, and I wonder why the cauldron wasn't already set up at the foot of the grave. [12:29] <rae25rae> good? [12:29] *** ethompson6 has quit [Bye] [12:30] <rae25rae> elaborate..? [12:30] <cloudpic> All the cauldron's have been metal, no? [12:30] <bemused> Magical things are often stone in storie s- I s'pose it's more ancient, and doesn't corrode [12:30] <JaneMarple9> or a relic of the Riddles [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe they didnt want Harry tipped off right away? [12:30] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the potion gets so hot it would melt a metal cauldron? [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> remember, had he regrabbed the portkey, he was gone again [12:30] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [12:30] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] [12:30] <danae24> Maybe it's a relic from the Gaunts [12:30] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, most of the ones we have seen have been metal [12:30] <JaneMarple9> Never noticed that it was stone and metal [12:30] <cbm> maybe using magic to move it would have hurt the potion, or LV did not trust wormtail's magic enough to let him use magic to move it [12:30] <cloudpic> The Riddles were Muggles...wouldn't have a cauldron [12:30] <Whisperwing> Unadulterated, pure mineral rather than metals that have been forged and changed from their basic nature, purifies the intent of the magic. [12:30] <DumbleDebbie> or maybe the stone is somehow necesary for the recipe to work [12:30] <Pleshette> Perhaps it's very old, symbolic of something, I really don't know [12:31] <rae25rae> it is an ancient magic, so maybe it needs stone, yeah [12:31] <JaneMarple9> correct Cloud smile relic of the Gaunts then [12:31] <Aislinn> yes, that's what I wonder, pleshette. [12:31] <danae24> yes.... [12:31] <bemused> Like Aslan and the stone knife - stone table [12:31] <DumbleDebbie> like an ancient stone altar? [12:31] <cloudpic> Oh.. maybe it is because it's ancient [12:31] <DumbleDebbie> that's what I was thinking bemused [12:31] <Aislinn> If it needed to be stone - rising from the earth, as it were [12:31] <cloudpic> Can you imagine carving out a stone cauldron?! [12:31] <Whisperwing> Like the Cauldron from the Mabinogian? [12:31] <rae25rae> ah, that makes sense Aislinn [12:31] <Pleshette> Ah, interesting [12:31] <Aislinn> or pushing it? It must weigh a ton [12:31] <cloudpic> hmmmm.... I like that Aislinn [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Percy was doing lots of research on cauldron bottoms. Maybe to use one that big, it has to be stone? [12:31] <JaneMarple9> and agreed...the potion might had been to hot for a metal one [12:31] <bemused> Perhaps there's a spell for it, cloudpic [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> like some kind of rule? [12:32] <cloudpic> Yeah... why isn't Wormtail "magicking" it into place [12:32] <Whisperwing> Maybe it was a giant geode, like they have in South America, a natural cauldron, a stone that was formed with a hollow center. [12:32] <JaneMarple9> :-o Sooner! So he was! Great catch there [12:32] <danae24> maybe they needed something that woudnt errode when Nagini's venom would be added [12:32] <cloudpic> Lovely! Whisper! LIke that! [12:32] <rae25rae> yeah, the whole percy cauldron bottoms thing struck me as odd [12:32] <rae25rae> i like that idea, Danae [12:32] <kaelgirl> I think maybe it was symbolic of pushing their burdens...I'm stretching it rather far with that theory, but its worth a shot [12:33] <Whisperwing> And often geodes are full of amethyst, which are correlated to healing energies... [12:33] <DumbleDebbie> too bad Voldy wouldn't have had a thin bottomed one [12:33] <harryfreak359> hmmm all these ideas are pretty good.. [12:33] <rae25rae> lol, debbie [12:33] <harryfreak359> hahaha debbie [12:33] <cloudpic> Yeah... but where had it been? Close by in the graveyard? [12:33] <JaneMarple9> I always considered the cauldron bottoms comic value....but that is a intriguing idea! [12:33] <danae24> it sounds logical....... We are talking about a very strong venom, coming from a magical snake [12:33] <danae24> Nagini is no ordinary snake [12:33] <Aislinn> Wormtail’s silver hand won’t be used against Lupin, so what, if any, is the significance of it being silver? (heathermichelle, Room 18–The Atrium). [12:33] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it was being hidden in the graveyard by filling it with dirt and flowers and making it look like a planter [12:33] <DumbleDebbie> wink [12:33] <rae25rae> um, i didnt think about it really [12:34] <cloudpic> Silver is very...pliant [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> there was an interesting thought in our room [12:34] <DumbleDebbie> I think the silver is symbolic [12:34] <cloudpic> But perhaps it's the "silver bullet" that [12:34] <kaelgirl> maybe it will be used against Fenrir. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> it might be used against Greyback? [12:34] <cloudpic> will get Fenir [12:34] <rae25rae> ooh, i hope so [12:34] <cloudpic> LOL... Jane [12:34] <DumbleDebbie> payment to Peter for his betrayal of the Potters [12:34] <Aislinn> that seems to be a popular theory [12:34] <harryfreak359> ooo that'd be good [12:34] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [12:34] <danae24> it wont be used again Lupin, but it can be used against Fenrir or maybe Bill....... [12:34] <DumbleDebbie> hi joy [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> about how 30 pieces of silver was the payment for the betrayal of Jesus [12:34] <JaneMarple9>  everyone has the same there![12:34] <cbm> silver is the same color as a a patronous, but I have no idea as to the symbolism of the hand [12:34] <rae25rae> hi joyhawk [12:34] <bemused> that's agood one, Debbie [12:34] <harryfreak359> hi joyhawk [12:34] <cbm> I like that sooner! [12:34] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner wink [12:34] <Aislinn> ah, sooner, that is an apt comparison [12:34] <kaelgirl> if Bill is a full fledged werewolf, danae [12:34] <danae24> A hand patronus....... that's weird [12:34] <cloudpic> Silver seems to be an odd symbolic color in this series.... [12:34] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [12:34] <Joyhawk2121> hello everyone [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner thats good - 30 pieces of silver [12:35] <DumbleDebbie> hi emily [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> hello joy, emily [12:35] <cloudpic> Often seems nasty at first... then later we learn differently [12:35] <Pleshette> Hi Joyhawk and emily [12:35] <EmilyVizi> hello everyone [12:35] <cloudpic> Fleur's hair for example [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> not my idea, I just read it in there, but I like it [12:35] <rae25rae> i don't know much about Christianity, but yes, Sooner, that sounds cool [12:35] <cloudpic> Ollivant's scary eyes [12:35] <DumbleDebbie> and I thought it was interesting in that story that Judas tried to give the silver back [12:35] <EmilyVizi> may i ask which chapters we are discussing [12:35] <cbm> I really like the pieces of silver idea!! [12:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's peculiar, but I guess LV could hardly have conjured an actual flesh-and-blood hand and attached it to Wormtail's wrist. [12:35] <DumbleDebbie> and then in a fit of remorse at what he'd done, he hung himself [12:35] <cloudpic> Ollivander duh [12:35] <JaneMarple9> silver...where we have heard it mentioned before? [12:35] <Aislinn> we're discussing the events at the graveyard, emily [12:36] <JaneMarple9> Is unicorn blood silver? [12:36] <EmilyVizi> Thank you ;0 [12:36] <danae24> or maybe because metal is more sturdy and useful than flesh?? [12:36] <cloudpic> Fleur's hair....Ollivander's eyes [12:36] <EmilyVizi>  [12:36] <cloudpic> Yep [12:36] <rae25rae> oh yes oh yes. ollivander, cloudpic. but what do we know about that?? [12:36] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [12:36] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:36] <danae24> yes, unicorn blood is silver [12:36] <Aislinn> Why did Wormtail’s hands shake as he tied Harry to the tombstone? (scollins, Room 18–The Atrium) [12:36] <rae25rae> but what does all of it mean? [12:36] <rae25rae> he is a fraidy cat [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he was scared out of his mind [12:36] <JaneMarple9> he was frightened of Voldemort [12:36] <bemused> Because he didn't want to use Harry [12:36] <danae24> He is scared [12:36] <cloudpic> Agreed, Sooner.... [12:36] <cbm> I think wormtail was scared for what he had to do [12:36] <EmilyVizi> Afraid. [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> He really did not want to use Harry [12:36] <DumbleDebbie> maybe a mix of scared and excited [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, he's pretty much freaking out. [12:36] <cloudpic> Plus, he's got that Life Debt to Harry [12:36] <kaelgirl> absolutely terrified [12:37] <Pleshette> yes, I agree with scared and not wanting to use Harry [12:37] <kaelgirl> maybe guilt as well [12:37] <JaneMarple9> No...not a scaredy Cat! A Scaredy rat biggrin [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> This is "the moment," and it all has to be done perfectly. [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jane [12:37] <rae25rae> lol, Jane [12:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [12:37] <danae24> LOL Jane [12:37] *** Mekoz4JC has joined #lounge [12:37] <Aislinn> Do you think Wormtail gave his flesh willingly? If so, why? If not, why not? [12:37] <Whisperwing> Besides which there's an ancient Celtic legend about a king of Ireland who lost his hand and had it replaced with a magically forged silver one, because Kings of Ireland could not rule if they had such imperfections of body... [12:37] <Aislinn> hi meko [12:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi mekoz [12:37] <bemused> I think the point of it is Harry - don't think he'd have bothered about anyone else [12:37] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [12:37] <cloudpic> He's caught between two powerful wizards!! Harry and Voldemort: Good and Evil... he should be scared!! [12:37] <rae25rae> he was willing to save his own life [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, can you imagine if Wormtail had messed up? Crucio city baby! [12:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi lurker [12:37] <danae24> Hi Lurker! [12:37] <EmilyVizi> He wanted to please LV [12:37] <leakylurker> hi [12:37] <JaneMarple9> I am not sure if her gave it willingly or not [12:37] <Mekoz4JC> Hi everyone! [12:37] <cloudpic> Yes, I think it was reluctant but willing... he wanted to please the Dark Lord [12:37] <bemused> Yes - I think worm's williing - noe of it would have happened without him [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hi lurker, Meko\ [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> One wonders how much his will was constrained by fear of the Dark Lord. [12:37] <JaneMarple9> maybe he had no choice [12:37] <cbm> He did it himself so it have to be willing if not enthusiastic [12:37] <rae25rae> it doesnt say willing to help voldy. it is just willing. he's willing to do it if he'll be spared [12:37] <danae24> I dont think he gave it that willingly [12:38] <Joyhawk2121> hello leakylurker [12:38] <harryfreak359> i think he gave it willingly enough...he wanted LV to become powerful again so that he would have someone to protect him and so that he would not have to worry about taking care of him anymore [12:38] <Whisperwing> It was as willing as Voldemort could get, though I bet Barty would have lopped off his own hand in a heartbeat if invited. [12:38] <cloudpic> He was convinced that LV would give him something in return.... [12:38] <Pleshette> I think he did [12:38] <DumbleDebbie> if it wasn't willingly given the spell/potion wouldn't have worked, right? [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Is it considered willing if you have no other option? [12:38] <Aislinn> I think he was willing, in that he chose to voluntarily cut his own hand off, even though he must have done so out of fear [12:38] <rae25rae> exactly, debbie [12:38] <JaneMarple9> but he knew Voldemort was getting stronger...and even stronger with Harry's blood [12:38] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [12:38] <Joyhawk2121> I agree with haryfreak [12:38] <kaelgirl> what would you rather do? Cut off your hand or die painfully by LV? I think thats what he was thinking ultimately [12:38] <bemused> But he has - he sought out Voldemort deliberately [12:38] <Joyhawk2121> sorry harry [12:38] <Pleshette> He wants to be considered Voldies right hand man so to speak [12:38] <cloudpic> Fear and the need to have Voldemort "owe" him [12:38] <cbm> If he didn't want do it, he could have waited until LV was in the potion and then escaped [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Peter chose the lesser of 2 punishments [12:39] <JaneMarple9> not much of a choice Kaelgirl! smile [12:39] <cloudpic> He likes to ingratiate himself to others... story of his life [12:39] <Mekoz4JC> I think he didn't give it willingly, he didn't know that Voltemort would do what he did. [12:39] <leakylurker> i bet hethought he would rewarded [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> He had an option. He could have AKed Babymort right then and there. But he was mostly motivated by fear. The easier thing to do in his mind was give up the hand. [12:39] <harryfreak359> i agree Sooner [12:39] <danae24> I would cut off my hand....... and we have to remember that LV promised Peter a new hand [12:39] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner, Voldy had him on a short leash [12:39] <bemused> I think Peter wanted Voldemrot back [12:39] <Pleshette> right cloudpic I agree [12:39] <kaelgirl> not really, Jane. Quite a bad choice [12:39] <rae25rae> he kinda was rewarded. a silver hand is pretty awesome [12:39] <cloudpic> Mr. McG... do you think he could have done? [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Peter's only protection is from LV. He would be killed without it [12:39] <JaneMarple9> I think he was also reminded that Harry let him go in the previous book [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> If he had a spine, cp, he could have. [12:39] <danae24> Peter kind of did it willingly, but only because he knew that he would get a replacement [12:39] <cloudpic> Yes, rae, it has powers [12:39] <leakylurker> Peter probably knew that AK wouldn't work [12:39] <kaelgirl> I don't think that Wormtail knew that was an option. [12:39] <JaneMarple9> he still has a debt to pay to harry [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> so he chooses a life of servitude and living in fear rather than face his punishment [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Sooner [12:40] <Aislinn> Did Voldemort make a mistake in taking Harry’s blood? (Weasley, Room 18–The Atrium). [12:40] <rae25rae> YES! [12:40] <danae24> Yes! [12:40] <cbm> Yes, [12:40] <cloudpic> LOL... but he wants to be on the "winning" side power to the wormtail! [12:40] <Joyhawk2121> yes [12:40] <Pleshette> I think Peter may have known about at least one horcrux though so the AK wouldn't have worked [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> evidentally [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, huuuuuge mistake. [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> yes [12:40] <harryfreak359> i think he did [12:40] <Whisperwing> More than likely. [12:40] <bemused> Yes - but we don't know why yet!!! [12:40] *** rae25rae has quit [Bye] [12:40] <JaneMarple9> i think so [12:40] *** rae25rae has joined #lounge [12:40] <kaelgirl> probably [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> Dumbledore said so smile [12:40] <cloudpic> Dumbledore's gleam? Could be. [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> not the first, and not the last big error he has made [12:40] <Whisperwing> Probably due to the whole power of love problem he has. [12:40] <Pleshette> Definitely a mistake [12:40] <cbm> and on July 21st we will know why Mr. Blood is so important [12:40] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't know how powerful Harry was becoming [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> I think it'll ultimately save Harry from having to die to rid the world of Voldy [12:40] <Aislinn> I think that is going to be a huge piece of information that will be revealed to us in the final book [12:40] <rae25rae> dumbledore was happy about it, so obviously voldy made a mistake [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I agree cbm! [12:40] <kaelgirl> I think LV thought doing that was the best option, but he wasn't thinking of in the long run of things [12:40] <danae24> it's the same thing about the unicorn blood, it will help you, but condemn you at the same time [12:40] <Mekoz4JC> also Peter isn't stupied. He has a rat mind! [12:41] <Pleshette> I think you're right Debbie [12:41] <cloudpic> His lengthy speeches and hubris in wanting to duel Harry .... LOL Voldie is not as clever as he thinks [12:41] <Aislinn> I hope so, Debbie [12:41] * cbm just likes writing Mr. Blood smile [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> when you think about it, LV has lots of "pure" things in his system [12:41] *** SusannahMio has joined #lounge [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> he drank unicorn blood, and now has Harry's blood [12:41] <Aislinn> hi SusannahMio [12:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi susannah [12:41] <rae25rae> i have to go, you guys [12:41] <JaneMarple9> what is Mr. Blood? smile [12:41] <rae25rae> byee! [12:41] <harryfreak359> hi susannah [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> bye rae [12:41] <Pleshette> Hi susannah! [12:41] <danae24> Bye rae! [12:41] <Aislinn> bye rae smile [12:41] <kaelgirl> bye rae [12:41] <Joyhawk2121> hi susannah [12:41] <harryfreak359> bye rae [12:41] <Pleshette> Bye rae [12:41] <cbm> It is from PotterCast [12:41] *** rae25rae has quit [Bye] [12:41] <DumbleDebbie> there's a powerful mixed drink (all the blood) [12:41] <JaneMarple9> right thanks [12:41] <SusannahMio> Hi! [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> The bone of a non-magical parent, flesh rather unwillingly given by someone who owes Harry a life-debt, and the blood of someone whose love is pure. [12:42] <danae24> yes.... blood that will eventually kill him in the end [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Cocktail for disaster. [12:42] <harryfreak359> yup...hopefully... [12:42] <leakylurker> mr blood just referes to harry's blood running through Voldy's veins [12:42] <cbm> It is what John Noe came up with for Harry's blood in LV [12:42] <danae24> plus the blood from an innocent creature........ [12:42] <DumbleDebbie> quite the bulding blocks for a new body [12:42] <Pleshette> So true Mr. McG [12:42] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [12:42] <JaneMarple9> a good dose of love will kill Voldemort off too smile [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, so LV is not the best planner ever..... [12:42] <danae24> Care Bear stare! [12:42] <kaelgirl> Voldemort goes by impulses...he lives in the moment and doesn't realize that everything he's putting into his body isn't the best stuff [12:43] <bemused> junk food???? [12:43] <DumbleDebbie> He continues to ignore the things he despises. You'd think he would have learned [12:43] <danae24> He practically was killing himself while bringing himself to life [12:43] <bemused> sorry, it just reminded me... [12:43] <kaelgirl> basically, bemused. Its junk food that'll destroy him [12:43] <cloudpic> back in a bit [12:43] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [12:43] <danae24> lol kael! [12:43] <Joyhawk2121> all he cares about is power -------------------- |
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[12:43] <Aislinn> Did Voldemort use one of his horcruxes to restore himself? If not, then what was the essence of Vapormort? (Room 18–The Atrium).
[12:43] <DumbleDebbie> no [12:44] <cbm> No, Horcruxes are an anchor [12:44] <Aislinn> I don't think a Horcrux had anything to do with it [12:44] <Pleshette> No [12:44] <DumbleDebbie> Vapormort was the bit of soul that was left in his body when Lily "killed" him [12:44] <Joyhawk2121> I don't think so [12:44] <JaneMarple9> I think his father's bone might had helped [12:44] <harryfreak359> nope, it was something else.. [12:44] <leakylurker> I have always thought that VOldy has to "use up" a horcrux to bring himself back to human form [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he did. I think his Babymort form merely served as an independent vessel for his soul. [12:44] <danae24> No....... the "essence" of MoldyBlob is what's left of his soul [12:44] <cbm> they kept his soul bound to the earth [12:44] <bemused> I thought the horcruxes just stopped him dying [12:44] <Aislinn> The question of how he got back that fetalMort body is intriguing though [12:44] <SusannahMio> He had his soul, still, he just needed a body [12:44] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think horcruxes are consumables [12:44] <kaelgirl> it is Aislinn. I'm still puzzled. [12:44] <danae24> yes....... [12:44] <Pleshette> It really is Aislinn [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> horcruxes are anchors [12:44] <JaneMarple9> poor Voldiemort....he has so many nicknames biggrin [12:45] <SusannahMio> Perhaps it's something he possessed? [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> they are not consumable resources [12:45] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner, that's a very good description "anchors" [12:45] *** Mekoz4JC has quit [Bye] [12:45] <kaelgirl> lol Jane. Many of them aren't flattering [12:45] <danae24> maybe like a baby.... he started to grow bigger with milk....... in this case, Nagini's "milk" [12:45] <DumbleDebbie> to hold him inthe land of the lving w/o a body [12:45] <leakylurker> i see [12:45] <JaneMarple9> nice idea danae [12:45] <kaelgirl> maybe theres some kind of spell that gives him the ability to have a sorry excuse for a body [12:45] <bemused> somone in Chamber 37 had a good theory about a homunculus - small man created by magic [12:46] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's intriguing bemused [12:46] *** readypc has joined #lounge [12:46] <DumbleDebbie> the description did seem to me very fetal [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome readuy [12:46] <cbm> If he used a horcrux each time he came back, he would not be immortal, he would just have 7 lives [12:46] <Pleshette> yes, that was becky..it was fascinating [12:46] <leakylurker> like a cat [12:46] <DumbleDebbie> could Voldy have possessed a fetus? [12:46] <danae24> or maybe he posessed the body of a baby (idea which I found really creepy......) [12:46] *** readypc has quit [Bye] [12:46] <SusannahMio> Yes, like a video game [12:46] <kaelgirl> maybe vapormort used the same concept he had for PS and possessed a small body.... [12:46] <Aislinn> test [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly. He could die a thousand times, but as long as he has one horcrux, he will keep coming back [12:46] <cbm> LV said peter contructed it for him [12:46] <JaneMarple9> 10/10 Aislinn smile [12:47] <leakylurker> but then why so many horcruxes? [12:47] <bemused> I expect he could, Debbie [12:47] <cbm> at least I think he did [12:47] <kaelgirl> wormtail did a nasty job then [12:47] <SusannahMio> I don't think he ever actually dies, it's just that his body gets destroyed [12:47] <danae24> maybe to really ensure that he wont never die [12:47] <SusannahMio> He needs so many in case someone destroys them [12:47] <DumbleDebbie> in case one is destroyed leaky [12:47] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:47] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:47] <DumbleDebbie> multiple insurance policies [12:47] <danae24> in case that one was destroyed, he had the others for backup [12:47] <cbm> He has so many horcruxes to make him very hard to kill [12:47] <harryfreak359> wb aislinn smile [12:47] <Aislinn> thanks smile [12:47] <leakylurker> got it [12:47] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [12:47] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:47] <JaneMarple9> wb aislinn [12:47] <kaelgirl> the worst part of LV by far, cbm [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> another reason is that LV is a megalomaniac and he wanted 7 cause no one had ever done that before [12:47] <SusannahMio> He's hard to kill anyway, because he's so powerful, but he wants the backups [12:48] <cbm> true sooner [12:48] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner [12:48] <danae24> yes.... like with a computer file [12:48] <danae24> backup_soul.exe [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder how LV hasn't gotten confused about how many horcruxes are actually out there. [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> LOl danae [12:48] <harryfreak359> lol danae [12:48] <kaelgirl> He's probably the closest person to reach immortality [12:48] <SusannahMio> You're right, Sooner [12:48] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [12:48] <cbm> lol danae [12:48] <Aislinn> If all he needed was a human body to inhabit to wield a wand, and had plenty of crazy DEs who would have leaped at the chance to serve their master in this way, then why did LV go into hiding as Vapormort? (scollins, Room 18–The Atrium). [12:49] <SusannahMio> He wanted his own body back? [12:49] <leakylurker> I don't htink he liked to sepend on anyone, to show his weakness [12:49] <SusannahMio> He could have just used Quirrel, but he wasn't happy with that [12:49] <DumbleDebbie> I think he'd need a soulless body to take full control [12:49] <kaelgirl> he probably doesn't like the idea of depending on someone else. [12:49] <cbm> Because he was weak and probably thought that his DEs had abandoned him [12:49] <bemused> If his experience with Quirrel is anything to go by, that didn't seem a very lasting way of doing things [12:49] <Pleshette> Maybe he didn't trust any of them [12:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that he had no choice [12:49] <DumbleDebbie> one emptied for a Dementor probably would have worked well [12:49] <SoonerGryffindor> he barely hung on as vapor [12:49] <danae24> because he knew that if he'd come back too soon, his plan would have been thwarted....... [12:50] <cbm> They were all denying their allegiance to him [12:50] <danae24> and most of his DE's would have been killed, instead of locked in Azkaban [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> reminds me of a wounded animal fleeing to go lick his wounds [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> Most of the DEs seem to have abandoned him. [12:50] <kaelgirl> I would hate having to share a body, or even inhabit a body that wasn't my own. [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> plus if he's in a recognizable DE body, he'd still be on the most wanted list wink [12:50] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, it seems he didn't have a lot of options available right after leaving Quirrell [12:50] <danae24> That's true Debbie! [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> and he wasn't expecting to be in that situation [12:50] <bemused> They would have died - he wants to go on and on as his horrible, distinctive self [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess if Bella had found him..... [12:51] <SusannahMio> Voldy would never be happy as a girl! [12:51] <cbm> Bella would have done anything for him [12:51] <Pleshette> Now that would have been interesting Sooner, lol [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> but that's really a horrible thought [12:51] <DumbleDebbie> he ad libbed from day to ay for a while it sounds like, figuring out what he could and couldn't do [12:51] <kaelgirl> lol [12:51] <DumbleDebbie> lol [12:51] <harryfreak359> lol [12:51] <danae24> Bella would have given her life for Moldymort [12:51] <kaelgirl> voldemort as a girl... [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehehe [12:51] <DumbleDebbie> bellamort [12:51] <kaelgirl> Voldemortia [12:51] <DumbleDebbie>  [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> *dies* [12:51] <Aislinn> Thirty or so DEs does not make for an impressive army, especially as some of those DEs are flat stupid. Are the DEs who return to LV some sort of inner circle? (weaslet, Room 18–The Atrium). [12:51] <harryfreak359> lol [12:51] <bemused> I s'pose he couldn't really know how the horcruxes would work until it happened [12:52] <leakylurker> see you later guys [12:52] <harryfreak359> i think they are [12:52] <danae24> I think so...... but we have to remember that not only the DE's were part of Moldy's army..... he had the giants and the dementors [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I think there were a multitude of reasons. [12:52] <kaelgirl> well, if it isn't thats one small army [12:52] <bemused> I think they must be, Aislinn - the tower top ones from HBP weren't there [12:52] <Pleshette> bye leakylurker [12:52] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [12:52] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:52] <DumbleDebbie> I think there are a lot of "supporters" who weren't actively in the working army but who would give aid and comfort to those who are out of ideological similarities [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> future! [12:52] <Pleshette> Hey future! [12:52] <bemused> hello future! [12:52] <danae24> future! [12:52] <cbm> Hi future [12:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi future smile [12:53] <futureweasley> hola! [12:53] <Joyhawk2121> hi future [12:53] <SusannahMio> Hi, future [12:53] <JaneMarple9> Hi Future [12:53] <futureweasley> sorry to disrupt [12:53] <futureweasley> carry on [12:53] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [12:53] <DumbleDebbie> wb cloudpic [12:53] <Pleshette> wb cloudpic [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> honestly, I have not been impressed with the collective brainpower of most of the DE's [12:53] <cloudpic> Thanks... [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Some because they had nothing better, others because it provided them opportunity, some out of fear. Most of those who returned didn't seem to do so out of intense, undying loyalty. [12:53] <danae24> Maybe he just wanted the most "trusthworthy" DE's in there the moment he came back [12:53] <cloudpic> Lucius is the most... wily. He's a survivor [12:53] <SusannahMio> But he had Crabbe and Goyle there, who would want to depend on them? [12:54] <DumbleDebbie> fear is definitely the predominant working force in that group [12:54] <Pleshette> These seemed to be his inner circle..maybe ones who gave the orders to the others [12:54] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [12:54] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there were more than 30 there [12:54] <Joyhawk2121> I agree DumbleDebbie [12:54] <cloudpic> and guilt if that's the right name for it... for not having tried to find their Dark Lord [12:54] <SusannahMio> You would think he'd be more discerning in picking his inner circle... [12:54] <Pleshette> Maybe they were more the "muscle" than the "brains" susannah wink [12:54] <bemused> Mm - for each one to have a known place in the circle it can't have been a very big circle [12:55] <danae24> that's true [12:55] <DumbleDebbie> speaking of "Dark Lord", I can't believe how many times "Moody" uses that term in these last chapters and on the 1st read I didn't pick up on that [12:55] <SusannahMio> LOL, maybe... But he has giants for muscle! [12:55] <Pleshette> LOL so true [12:55] <MrMcGonagall> Stupidity wrapped in muscles, wrapped in ignorance. [12:55] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [12:55] <cloudpic> Each one has its... "uses" Voldie doesn't seem to want true "friends" [12:55] <harryfreak359> lol mr m [12:55] <danae24> but he needed Crabbe and Goyle before he got the giants........ [12:56] <bemused> I don't suppose he wants too many with brains - they might start thinking!!! [12:56] <danae24> they are the Bullies of the group [12:56] <cloudpic> The giants can't work magic... just mayhem [12:56] <DumbleDebbie> lots of mayhem cp! [12:56] <cloudpic> They are wizards, after all [12:56] <Pleshette> Perhaps they have connections elsewhere which could be useful [12:56] <DumbleDebbie> right bemused, Voldy doesn't want wizards that might ask questions [12:56] <SusannahMio> Good point, bemused, you might not want people who might try to take over, or leave [12:57] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:57] <kaelgirl> actually I thought giants had magical qualities...thats why Hagrid wasn't taken down by the stunning spells [12:57] <cloudpic> Thugs. [12:57] <SusannahMio> Perhaps it's just thick skin? [12:57] <bemused> I tink that's a thick skin, kaelgirl [12:57] <danae24> maybe, just like dragons [12:57] <cloudpic> Hmmm... [12:57] <cloudpic> interesting point, though [12:57] <kaelgirl> good point [12:57] <danae24> or you need to be really really powerful to bring a giant down [12:57] <cloudpic> They are part of the Wizarding rather than Muggle world, no? [12:57] <Pleshette> It's chilling how he tells macnair that he'll be providing better victims for his skills [12:58] <bemused> yes, that's true cloudpic [12:58] <danae24> yes....... that's freaky [12:58] <cloudpic> Sooo, creepy, yes, Pleshette [12:58] <kaelgirl> that is really freaky deaky [12:58] * DumbleDebbie shudders [12:58] <SusannahMio> Very creepy! But does being an executioner take much skill? [12:58] <cloudpic> I think we saw the power of Lucius in this scene...LV didn't "punish" him [12:58] <kaelgirl> it takes cold blood [12:59] <DumbleDebbie> well, Nearly Headless Nick would say "yes" wink [12:59] <danae24> I guess not......you just have to be able to swing an axe [12:59] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [12:59] <DumbleDebbie> hi brett [12:59] <BrettMac> hi [12:59] <cbm> Everything is creepy, to me is was him talking about muggle torture that got to me [12:59] <kaelgirl> lol debbie [12:59] <Pleshette> Hi Brett [12:59] <cloudpic> Oh, SusannaMio... the ability to cold-bloodedly kill, too... that's not something everyone even the evil can do [12:59] <cloudpic> Hi, Brett [12:59] <DumbleDebbie> true cp, takes a special kind of sicko to enjoy it [13:00] <danae24> ewww....... maybe that's why Stephen King likes Harry Potter [13:00] <BrettMac> topic right now? [13:00] <kaelgirl> eww, creepy danae [13:00] <cbm> yes CP, it is the only thing Draco is lacking to become a full fledged DE [13:00] <DumbleDebbie> lol danae [13:00] <cloudpic> yep... perhaps that's the "talent" we're missing in Lord Voldemort's chosing his DE's [13:00] <danae24> the last 3 chapters of GoF [13:00] <SusannahMio> I don't know, I think to be a death eater at all, you need to be that crazy already [13:00] *** Snapesgood has joined #lounge [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> So who do you think are the DEs that are: the “faithful servant” at Hogwarts; the cowardly one; the one that is to be killed? Which is which? (Basement Room 10). [13:00] <DumbleDebbie> hi snapes [13:00] <cloudpic> LOL...right, SusannahMio... [13:01] <Snapesgood> hi dumbled [13:01] <Pleshette> faithful=Barty Crouch Jr. [13:01] <cloudpic> I thought the "faithful servant" was Snape when I read it the First Time!! [13:01] <DumbleDebbie> faithful - Barty Jr.; cowardly - Karkaroff; one to be killed - Snape [13:01] <cbm> to killed is snape [13:01] <cloudpic> Now, know better. [13:01] <Snapesgood> yup [13:01] <cloudpic> I think Jo did that to mislead us! [13:01] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I wondered too cp [13:01] <danae24> The faithful is Barty....... coward - Karkaroff and the "killed" one is Snape [13:01] <danae24> but I always thought of Snape as the faithful [13:01] <cloudpic> Karkaroff, yeah, the one to be killed [13:01] <BrettMac> I'm going with the way i first read the book. karkaroff is to be killed, snape is cowardle, and crouch is faithful [13:01] <Pleshette> And I think Wormtail hoped it would be him [13:01] <bemused> Faithful servant = Crouch jnr; coward = Karkaroff; one 'who has left us' = Snape [13:01] <cbm> I did not think it was snape because I used to think he was good [13:01] <SusannahMio> Karkaroff was killed, though, so perhaps he was the third? [13:01] <SusannahMio> He didn't just pay [13:02] <cloudpic> I didn't know Barty was Moody at that point in the stsoyr though.... [13:02] <kaelgirl> thats what I though Susannah [13:02] <DumbleDebbie> right cp, me either [13:02] <danae24> I agree with you bemused...... [13:02] <bemused> No cloudpic, I think we were meant to think it was Snape [13:02] <cbm> I originally thought snape was the coward [13:02] <Snapesgood> i thought the faithful one was wormtail before [13:02] <Snapesgood> and wondered abt it [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with bemused [13:02] <cloudpic> But he wasn't at Hogwarts... he was with Volde [13:02] <BrettMac> i kinda suspected moody was bad, but as moody not crouch. i thought moody was the faithful one [13:03] <DumbleDebbie> don't let Snape hear you saying you thought he was the coward, he'll go postal wink [13:03] <Pleshette> Karkaroff = coward and LV says, "He of course will be killed" as he is later on [13:03] <cloudpic> Yeah... I was so disappointed in him... shocked even [13:03] <danae24> at first I thought that the one that was going to be killed was Ludo [13:03] <Snapesgood> hmm yeah [13:03] <BrettMac> lol debbie [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> LV can touch Harry, seemingly without pain, yet Harry experiences pain. Why is the experience of pain only traveling one way now? Does LV have pain but not admit to it? (Basement Room 10). [13:03] <cloudpic> Oooo [13:03] <DumbleDebbie> interesting [13:03] <SusannahMio> Hmm... [13:03] <cloudpic> Bagman... yeah we were lead to believe something was up with him [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> wow [13:03] <Snapesgood> maybe its because LV is controling it now [13:04] <SusannahMio> Maybe because he doesn't have a scar, he's not linked in such a physical way [13:04] <DumbleDebbie> b/c now he's in full control of the body and before Quirrelll had input [13:04] <Snapesgood> yes [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry had pain the first time as well [13:04] <BrettMac> maybe... [13:04] <danae24> No, he feels the pain because of the scar..... because we have to remember that now Harry's scar hurts when LV feels strong emotions......... [13:04] <cloudpic> Oh... interesting question. Could be the scar, Susanna [13:04] <bemused> the pain LV felt in touching Harry was to do with Lily's protection - the scar is something different, I think [13:04] <Snapesgood> but so did quirrel [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> it just went both ways back then [13:04] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I hadn't thought about that [13:04] <cbm> Maybe the evil touching harry hurts him, and the good of harry's blood protects LV [13:04] <kaelgirl> I've always wondered how he was able to do that! [13:04] <Snapesgood> or it could be that jarry cant just stand evil just like LV cant stand love [13:05] <Pleshette> could be cbm.. [13:05] <Snapesgood> he couldnt possess harry because of that [13:05] <BrettMac> i agree with that, cbm, but since voldy has harry's good blood wouldnt it hurt him too? [13:05] <kaelgirl> I agree cbm [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> no, because its the evil within himself Brett [13:05] <cloudpic> And Voldie is trying to radiate...pain, Harry hadn't thought of fighting back in that mental/emotional pain way [13:05] <cbm> That is why I am unsure BrettMac [13:05] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it's sort of like the Priori Incantatem. Voldy focuses on pushing the pain towards Harry and Harry feels more of it? [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> LV seems to have more control over the connection at this point. At lkeast a more conscious ability to control it. [13:05] <SusannahMio> But he now has that good blood inside of him, so wouldn't it hurt him more? [13:05] <harryfreak359> he has definitely Mr M [13:05] * SoonerGryffindor cant wait till Harry realizes he can control this link also [13:05] <DumbleDebbie> right Mr M [13:05] <cloudpic> May be deliberate effort... like the wands later? [13:05] <bemused> But does he know about it at this stage, Mr M? [13:05] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:05] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that'll be awesome Sooner [13:05] * harryfreak359 agrees with Sooner [13:06] <bemused> I thought that came later... [13:06] <danae24> maybe that link will kill LV.......... [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> yep [13:06] <cloudpic> He's older... and more evil [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> The whole point of using Harry's blood was so that LV wouldn't feel pain when touched by Harry. [13:06] <kaelgirl> its kind of like gene splicing. I did this thing in biology yesterday where we gave E.Coli the ability to withstand something that would kill it. So maybe thats what Harry's blood did [13:06] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> right [13:06] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB [13:06] <JaneMarple9> ah but Harry has friends smile [13:06] <SusannahMio> I think if you could kill over the link, Harry would be long dead [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> heloo NYB [13:06] <JaneMarple9> hi NYB [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm, it makes me think it's something more than the blood now. [13:06] <NYBookworm> hi [13:06] <Pleshette> Hi NYB [13:06] <kaelgirl> hey NYB [13:07] <Joyhawk2121> hi NYB [13:07] <BrettMac> do you think if voldy was loved, or had some kind of love, he would be harmed by all the evil within him? just a thought... [13:07] <SusannahMio> Hy, NYB [13:07] <MrMcGonagall> LV was not very hard on Lucius Malfoy other than being verbally abusive. Why do you think he went easy on Lucius? (Basement Room 10). [13:07] <DumbleDebbie> he must need him [13:07] <NYBookworm> maybe he needs him for something? [13:07] <Snapesgood> because he knew there were other horcruxes he had [13:07] <BrettMac> he thought it was hilarious what happened at hogwarts smile [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> uh, because Lucius is the best DE he has? [13:07] <Pleshette> Lucius has an important connection to the MoM [13:07] <Snapesgood> and needed lucius [13:07] <bemused> Someone has to provide his campaign funds... [13:07] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner, lol [13:07] <danae24> he "trust" Malfoy with a lot....... to the point to let him keep a horcrux [13:08] <cloudpic> I think it's because he knows Lucius is slick... he's needed as a fully enthusiastic minion... treats him better [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously, look at what else LV has to work with... I am not impressed [13:08] <BrettMac> lucius didnt entirely screw up. maybe lv created that horcrux for a purpose such as that? [13:08] <SusannahMio> Maybe he doesn't know he wasted the Horcrux yet [13:08] <DumbleDebbie> not the sharpest tools in the shed [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, he definitely didn't know about the diarycrux yet. [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> and at this point in time, LV does not know about the diary [13:08] <SusannahMio> That would make him much angrier, I think [13:08] <Pleshette> LV needs the prophecy and Lucius is his way to obtaining it [13:08] <Snapesgood> and he needs him to start recruiting again? [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Lucius is kind of a dim bulb when it comes down to it. [13:08] <cloudpic> Lucius stayed out of Azkaban....kept all his $$...maintained power at the Ministry... and still had some of his Dark stuff hidden away [13:08] <DumbleDebbie> he's so well connected in the Ministry, it makes him a valuable asset [13:09] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:09] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:09] <cloudpic> Smart cooke, I think. [13:09] <BrettMac> lucius is his guinea pig, he uses him to do all his dirty work. [13:09] <danae24> or he needs Malfoy because of his connections....... [13:09] <bemused> but he is the socially respectable one [13:09] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [13:09] <Snapesgood> yup but he also seems to have a number of dark objects right [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hey wagga [13:09] <DumbleDebbie> that's a good point about the Prophecy [13:09] <danae24> Hi wagga! [13:09] <DumbleDebbie> hi wagga [13:09] <Pleshette> yes bemused...he has a lot of influence [13:09] <MrMcGonagall> “They who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death.” (p562 Brit. Ed.) Do they know about the horcruxes? If they do, as this implies, shouldn't Snape also have known? (Chamber 007). [13:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi, finally got here. smile [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> no [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> they do not know [13:09] <JaneMarple9> hey Wagga smile [13:09] <Snapesgood> no hey couldnt [13:09] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder what other "steps" there were [13:09] <kaelgirl> some of them knew, but not all. [13:09] <JaneMarple9> no they don't [13:10] <Pleshette> I think that most do not know about the horcruxes [13:10] <Snapesgood> because of lucius's question after that [13:10] <DumbleDebbie> he's implying he did things other than the horcruxes [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I am beginning to wonder if LV even knew at this point [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> I think a couple may have guessed, but I don't think LV ever entrusted Snape with a horcrux. [13:10] <JaneMarple9> even Lucius didn't know all about the diary in CoS [13:10] <Joyhawk2121> I don't think they did [13:10] <danae24> I do think that a few of them know about the horcruxes, but knowing LV, he must have done other things........ [13:10] <NYBookworm> I think that maybe they know that he made a horcrux, but they may not know that's what they're called or any details [13:10] <BrettMac> well, that does imply that others knew about thehorcruxes, aat least to me... [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> he obviously did more than one thing [13:10] <bemused> I don't think he would have told them about the horcruxes in detail - too dangerous. hinting that he was doing something dangerous would have been more pwoerful [13:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It depends when Snape went to Dumbledore [13:10] <SusannahMio> He was taking other steps, such as unicorn blood, so that's probably what he's talking about [13:10] <cloudpic> I think it must have been some of his "other" efforts that they were privvy to [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> right [13:10] <DumbleDebbie> yes, cp, probably [13:10] <Snapesgood> The unicorn blood was after quirrel's possession [13:10] <Pleshette> I think Wormtail may have been present while he created his last one but no one else has been told [13:10] <bemused> He wouldn't give them details in case they tried it too [13:10] <DumbleDebbie> and the horcruxes were his ace up his sleeve [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there is no way this story can work if ANY loyal DE's know about horcruxes [13:11] <SusannahMio> Yes, but he must have been doing other things like that [13:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Some of the DE's better at putting two and two together than others? [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> no [13:11] <DumbleDebbie> only RAB [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> if Lucius never had a clue about the diary.... [13:11] <SusannahMio> Horcruxes don't actually make you immortal, so he wouldn't have been satisfied [13:11] <DumbleDebbie> apparently [13:11] <Snapesgood> cant think of any DE actually being too smart now [13:11] <kaelgirl> well, RAB knew, so either he was very well trusted...or something [13:11] <SusannahMio> He probably wouldn't have been satisfied with the elixer of life, either [13:11] <harryfreak359> no not really [13:11] <danae24> yes.... he must have researched a lot of ways to stay alive for ever [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> With the DEs, stupid is as stupid does. [13:12] <BrettMac> or voldy just left his horcruxes lying around where rab could get at them [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> To me, it would be completely out of character for LV to have told any DE's what he did [13:12] <bemused> I agree Sooner [13:12] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:12] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner. I don't think he told any of them [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Aislinn [13:12] <JaneMarple9> I think RAB discovered things by accident [13:12] <SusannahMio> You'd want as few people to know about them as possible, because they could turn, and destroy them, like RAB did [13:12] <DumbleDebbie> wb Aislinn [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he ever told them, but I think a couple may have guessed. After all, they are all into dark magic. [13:12] <bemused> wb Aislinn [13:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> R.A.B thought there was only one horcrux it would seem [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> It's their hobby. [13:12] <harryfreak359> wb Aislinn [13:13] <Aislinn> Hi - sorry folks - computer problems [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> its possible that a couple have guessed, but if they are smart they will keep their mouths shut about it [13:13] <cloudpic> I wonder if Snape suspected... and that's what put Dumbledore onto the hunt? [13:13] <bemused> If he made one from Frank Bryce, Wormtail must have known [13:13] <Snapesgood> Is it possible that when LV travelled to places to hide them, some DE accompanied him [13:13] <SusannahMio> It seems like not many people know about horcruxes at all, though [13:13] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner, that or die [13:13] <BrettMac> i dont think hed tell wormtail something that important [13:13] <Pleshette> I have to run. Great chat as usual. smile [13:13] <cloudpic> I don't think he used Frank Bryce [13:13] <harryfreak359> bye pleshette! [13:13] <DumbleDebbie> bye Pleshette [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Pleshette [13:13] <SusannahMio> Bye, Pleshette [13:13] <cloudpic> Bye, Pleshette! [13:13] <Joyhawk2121> bye [13:13] <bemused> bye Pleshette [13:13] <danae24> bye Pleshete! [13:13] <Snapesgood> bye pleshette [13:13] <Pleshette> Bye! Oh and I think WT knows smile [13:14] <Pleshette> heh heh [13:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I doubt that LV strong enough when Frank Bryce killed. [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:14] <cloudpic> LOL.... last shot! Maybe so... [13:14] <kaelgirl> bye pleshette [13:14] <DumbleDebbie> lol [13:14] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:14] <DumbleDebbie> good point wgga [13:14] <cloudpic> That's my thought too, WaggaWW [13:14] <bemused> He'd have had to have wormtail's help, wagga [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> There are lots of mentions of old or 'ancient' magic within this chapter, the magic that protected Harry from death, the magic that protects him at his aunt's, the magic that restored Voldy etc. Is ancient magic stronger than modern magic? Why is it significant that these spells are old? (Chamber 007). [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I think part of that is that is has stood the test of time [13:15] <DumbleDebbie> they seem to run deeper than new magic (if that makes any sense) [13:15] <danae24> I do think so..... [13:15] <cloudpic> Well, it did stand up to the power of the Avada Kedavra... [13:15] <cloudpic> I like that observation, DumbleDebbie [13:15] <Snapesgood> and ancient magic that was not evil was something LV ignored [13:15] <SusannahMio> Sorry, I always think of that [13:15] <DumbleDebbie> like tapping into some sort of fundamental force and power [13:15] <BrettMac> we've already seen wormtail is untrustable. look what happened to the potters? and he was their best friend. voldys some guy that he probably hates for being so cruel and oppressive, and maybe wants to get back at him. (this is in response to the last topic, it took forever to type tongue) [13:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Old magic more fundamental and natural. [13:15] <danae24> Ok guys.... I have to go! [13:15] <SusannahMio> Deep magic from before the dawn of time? [13:15] <danae24> see ya later! [13:15] <bemused> It goes with the territory - magic is always old or deep or ancient in stories [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> bye danae [13:15] *** danae24 left #lounge [] [13:15] <MrMcGonagall> Magic at its most ancient and impenetrable. The mysterious stuff you can't just figure out. [13:15] <DumbleDebbie> bye danae [13:15] <cloudpic> Good point, though, Brett [13:16] <cloudpic> bye, danae [13:16] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Something like that. Linked to life itself and why it exists. [13:16] <SusannahMio> Perhaps that was before wizard blood was diluted, through mixing with non-magical people, or just evolution [13:16] <cloudpic> Perhaps the ancient magic had been...neglected in the more modern Wizarding World [13:16] <BrettMac> ancient magic is just stronger...its more developed, and was created when there was so much less [13:16] <Snapesgood> Or something that is more nature than magic [13:16] <kaelgirl> gotta go folks. Great chat! [13:16] <SoonerGryffindor> bye kael [13:17] <DumbleDebbie> bye kaelgirl [13:17] <BrettMac> by kael [13:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye [13:17] <cloudpic> bye, kaelgirl [13:17] <Snapesgood> bye [13:17] <Joyhawk2121> bye Kael [13:17] <bemused> bye kaelgirl [13:17] <Aislinn> Why does LV reveal his back story to Harry? Is this significant? If so, why? (Chamber 007). [13:17] <JaneMarple9> He wants to show off [13:17] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> The evil villain always has to gloat. [13:17] <bemused> so that we readers can hear it.... [13:17] <cloudpic> He is soooooo proud of himself...hubris! [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> he did the same thing in CoS [13:17] <DumbleDebbie> Evil overlord monologue syndrome [13:17] <SusannahMio> He's monologuing! [13:17] <JaneMarple9> he wants to tell harry what he has been through [13:17] <SusannahMio> It's the downfall of them all [13:17] * SoonerGryffindor wonders if Lily got a boring monologue before she died [13:17] <cloudpic> It's (one of) his weak point [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> The Evil Genius Monologue. [13:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It reinforces what Harry already knew, shows what LV knows and also fills in Lucius who didn't know [13:18] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [13:18] <cloudpic> Let's hope so, SusannahMio [13:18] <BrettMac> he needs to show him his well-practiced monologue before he kills him. duh! dont you know anything about evil villains? [13:18] <JaneMarple9> he wants to show harry that evil can overcome good [13:18] <DumbleDebbie> I think she got the Cliff Notes version [13:18] <Aislinn> LOL [13:18] <SusannahMio> Also, it's nice way for the reader to get more information [13:18] <Aislinn> Why did Voldemort insist upon dueling with Harry? Why not just kill him outright, while he was tied up? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:18] * JaneMarple9 is glad that Voldemort is sooooooooo wrong about evil overcoming good! [13:18] <BrettMac> eah, the evil genius plot device, brought to you by jo [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> He needed to prove it to himself [13:18] <cloudpic> So true, SusannaMio [13:18] <JaneMarple9> He wanted Harry to suffer [13:18] <bemused> He enjoys tormenting people [13:18] <SusannahMio> To prove that he was much stronger than him [13:18] <Joyhawk2121> I think he had to prove who is stronger [13:18] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because LV is a show-off? [13:18] <SusannahMio> To get his DE's respect [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> he wanted not only his DE's but himself to see him overcome Harry [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Well, that wouldn't have been very interesting, would it? [13:19] <cloudpic> He had to prove himself to his DE's and hence the W World [13:19] <DumbleDebbie> His wizardhood had been insulted [13:19] <JaneMarple9> he wanted Harry to TRY and defeat him [13:19] <DumbleDebbie> being defeated by an infant [13:19] <BrettMac> he wanted to prove that he was stronger than harry, not just killing him flat out. that shows cowardice. [13:19] <Aislinn> I think he wanted to show his DE's that he was better than/stronger than Harry [13:19] <SusannahMio> Tying him up and shooting him would not have made much of a point [13:19] <JaneMarple9> to show how powerful he is [13:19] <cloudpic> I think it was necessary...not just showing off [13:19] <NYBookworm> calssic bad guy thing [13:19] <Snapesgood> he was stalling for time till all the De's came to see him at work again? [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> He wanted to make an example of Harry in front of the DEs. [13:19] <DumbleDebbie> he had to do that to prove his strength to the DE (and to himself) [13:19] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [13:19] <JaneMarple9> yes Snapesgood [13:19] <bemused> it intrigued me that he praised the way James died - he respects a good enemy (more than his own DEs) [13:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Showing off how great and terrible he was [13:19] <cloudpic> Couldn't allow any more doubt over who's more powerful [13:19] <JaneMarple9> (and I never thought I'd type that biggrin Snapes good biggrin ) [13:20] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [13:20] <Snapesgood> lol jane [13:20] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:20] <BrettMac> lol [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:20] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm [13:20] <cloudpic> Nice choice of usernames, Snapesgood! [13:20] <cloudpic> WB cbm [13:20] <cbm> Hi again [13:20] <NYBookworm> He needed there to be no doubt that he was back and the DE's to be completely under his control [13:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It wasn't out of admiration for Harry. More to belittle him. [13:20] <SusannahMio> Maybe it's Voldemort's strange idea of honor? [13:20] <Snapesgood> thnx cloudpic [13:20] <Aislinn> Why did Voldemort take a pause after the first cast of the Cruciatus Curse? Why did he ask Harry if the Cruciatus Curse hurt? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I think he wanted him to be totally humiliated before he killed him [13:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he was getting a kick out of taunting him [13:21] <NYBookworm> He was playing with him [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> because he is sadistic [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> He's toying with him. [13:21] <DumbleDebbie> like a cat playing with a mouse [13:21] <bemused> He was really enjoying that meoment - it was sick [13:21] <cloudpic> Agreed. Sadistic... feeds his need [13:21] <BrettMac> to shove it in his face that he was causing him pain... [13:21] <Snapesgood> long time since he played around i guess [13:21] <JaneMarple9> he was winding him up [13:21] <SusannahMio> Crazy psycho, that's it [13:21] <cloudpic> to see others in pain [13:21] <DumbleDebbie> yes, "sadistic" is the perfect word [13:21] <Snapesgood> so trying to prolong [13:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Perhaps because he still needs to recover after being rebirthed. [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> 13 years of pent-up frustration [13:21] <Joyhawk2121> he loves pain [13:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol [13:21] <cloudpic> He's in psychic pain.... needs to make others feel as he does! [13:21] <BrettMac> and can you imagine, ten tons of hate blasting out of you at 100 miles an hour? thats gotta kill your arm [13:21] <BrettMac> he needed a break from hating harry [13:21] <SusannahMio> Or he was making sure it could still work, maybe he wasn't sure his new body was as powerful [13:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> all that too. But I think he is not yet as strong as he could be. [13:22] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [13:22] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:22] <JaneMarple9> testing [13:22] <JaneMarple9> yep [13:23] <DumbleDebbie> hi Jane [13:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Must take some psychic energy to cast spells. [13:23] <JaneMarple9> I think Voldemoprt was showing Harry how powerful he was with his new body [13:23] <Snapesgood> something like your spell's as strong as you are? [13:23] <BrettMac> thats what i mean, it would be psychologically harmful to hate someone for so long, then take it out on them in such a short time [13:23] <cbm> have a nice day everyone, I have to go for good this time, I may see some of you tomorrow smile later [13:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> the stronger you are the more rapid the delivery, perhaps [13:24] <Snapesgood> i think he was just being his usual pleasant sadistic self [13:24] <BrettMac> bye cbm [13:24] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Voldemort insist upon observing the dueling protocols? [13:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That too. [13:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye cbm [13:24] <DumbleDebbie> bye cbm [13:24] <JaneMarple9> he may have suspected about the wands [13:24] <DumbleDebbie> all for show [13:24] <JaneMarple9> perhaps? [13:24] <cloudpic> I think that must be what they believe, Snapesgood, [13:24] <bemused> It's a twisted display of power [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> Now that's the twisted sense of honor. [13:24] <DumbleDebbie> grandstanding [13:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Show off he is. [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Debbie [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> he was being mean [13:25] <Snapesgood> he just liked to make it a grand show for his DEs [13:25] <DumbleDebbie> yes, more taunting [13:25] <JaneMarple9> yes he was definately showing off to the Death Eaters [13:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Using rules as it suited him [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> taunting is a very good word for this [13:25] <Snapesgood> mocking at them may be [13:25] <cloudpic> He's a superficial sort.... likes all the bowing and scraping [13:25] <JaneMarple9> showing them what a powerful master they have [13:25] <Snapesgood> what are rules to him [13:25] <bemused> and the way the laughed... watching a man torment a boy [13:25] <bemused> *they -------------------- |
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[13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Did James face Voldemort straight-backed and proud? Do you suppose that preserving his dignity was really paramount in James’ mind or is this more of what Voldemort perceived?
[13:25] <cloudpic> scum. [13:25] <Snapesgood> and it gave him a chance to try and get Harry to bow to him [13:25] <JaneMarple9> he was bending the rules to make harry look bad [13:26] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:26] <DumbleDebbie> he seems the sort to face him head on [13:26] <cloudpic> I think it was natural in James... and that Voldemort recognized this quality [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that James probably did, but not intentionally [13:26] <bemused> It sounds as if James reacted just the way Harry did [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> its probably how he rolled [13:26] <SusannahMio> I'm sure he tried his hardest, if only to keep him from his family as long as he could [13:26] <DumbleDebbie> Harry instinctvely made the same choice [13:26] <cloudpic> Even an evil genius can recognize quality in an enemy [13:26] <Snapesgood> I think he is used to people cowering when they face him and James stood out as an exception [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think that's just the way James rolled. [13:26] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think that James died as best he could, and that Voldemort was trying to shame Harry that he wasn't as good. [13:26] <bemused> ... he might kill me but I won't cringe [13:26] <Snapesgood> maybe thats why he praises him [13:26] <JaneMarple9> James would had been more concerned to protect Lily [13:27] <cloudpic> Voldie likes a worthy opponent [13:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think so. [13:27] <cloudpic> Not as much fun as squashing a bug [13:27] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [13:27] <JaneMarple9> I don't think James would have been frightened of death - like Dumbledore in that respect [13:27] <bemused> Voldemort respects his enemies more than his followers [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Harry’s decision not to play Voldemort’s game? [13:27] <cloudpic> He does, bemused, you are right [13:27] <DumbleDebbie> yay Harry! [13:27] <bemused> Incredibly brave [13:27] <JaneMarple9> Harry's noble [13:27] <cloudpic> Except perhaps Lucius? [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> You go, Harry! [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> one of the things I love about him [13:28] <cloudpic> Indeed. [13:28] <Snapesgood> Didnt want LV to dictate terms to him, that was great [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> it was one of the very few things that he had control of at the time [13:28] <SusannahMio> Harry's scrappy [13:28] <JaneMarple9> he is brave....terrified but determained to try and stand up to this powerful wizard [13:28] <bemused> I don't think he even respects Lucius, cloudpic - not really [13:28] <SusannahMio> He wasn't going to play cat/mouse [13:28] <DumbleDebbie> again, it was Hary's choice in how he responded [13:28] <cloudpic> Perhaps not. [13:28] <JaneMarple9> he has just seen a fellow Hogwarts pupil been killed outright [13:28] <NYBookworm> showed his character- maturity, courage, and "moral fiber" [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> it just goes to show that you always have a choice [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> Harry has chutzpah. [13:29] <JaneMarple9> that would have made him even stronger [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> no matter what it looks like on the surface [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M, he does! thumbup [13:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Didn't want to lose his self-respect. [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner [13:29] <cloudpic> I like that, Sooner.... choosing what is right rather than what is easy [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> give that boy a chutzpah badge. [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> When Harry threw off the Imperius Curse, why did the Death Eaters stop laughing? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:29] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:29] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [13:29] <SusannahMio> If you're going to die anyway, you might as well die right! [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> but even when he thought he would die, he was choosing *how* he would die [13:29] <cloudpic> They certainly didn't expect that from a boy! [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I imagine that rocked their world [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> I think it shocked them [13:29] <bemused> Because they recognised real strength in him? [13:30] *** ltbrave23 has quit [Bye] [13:30] <JaneMarple9> yes that sums up harry - choose what is right rather than easy [13:30] <JaneMarple9> it probably shocked them [13:30] <Snapesgood> voldemort underestimating Harry as usual [13:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi ltbrave [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> you know that they had to be wondering to themselves what secret powers Harry may have [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Unexpected, and suddenly voldemort's toy isn't quite so playful. [13:30] <JaneMarple9> they didn't expect their leader to go to such lengths [13:30] <NYBookworm> perhaps most of them wouldn't have been able to (or dared if it was LV) [13:30] <DumbleDebbie> yes, after all, he won against Voldy before [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> kinda like one of those "uh oh" moments [13:30] <DumbleDebbie> lol [13:30] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because they found out it wasn't all about cowards taunting a victim, they could mock. [13:31] <JaneMarple9> they were probably frightened how strong Voldemort had become [13:31] <DumbleDebbie> and most of them are already naturals at looking "dumbstruck" [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> What were your thoughts of Harry opting to defend himself, even when he knew there were no defenses available for the Avada Kedavra curse? (scollins, Room 18–The Atrium). [13:31] <Snapesgood> they must have been, they were seeing him again after a long time [13:31] <Snapesgood> and most of them had sort of relinquished him [13:31] <DumbleDebbie> good for him for trying! [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> It's a moment in which the little guy rises up and strikes fear into the powerful. [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> ONe of my favorite moments n the whole series [13:31] <bemused> Again, incredibly brave [13:31] <JaneMarple9> he has guts smile [13:32] <DumbleDebbie> "I don't care what people say, I'm going to fight as best I can" [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> and I just have to say that Dan did an amazing job in that scene conveying all of the emotions on his face [13:32] <cloudpic> Well, he'd survived the AK before....but, he didn't expect to this time. Still.... makes me wonder [13:32] <bemused> ... and without that, the magic couldn't have worked for him [13:32] <DumbleDebbie> sometimes "conventional wisdon" can be wrong [13:32] <JaneMarple9> yep debbie...i can see harry saying that [13:32] <Snapesgood> he was not going to go now easily, maybe hearing about his father's fight encouraged him further [13:32] <cloudpic> Agreed, bemused [13:32] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [13:32] <JaneMarple9> while looking at Ced's dead body sad [13:32] <harryfreak359> yes debbie [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> He's going to go down fighting. You have to respect that. [13:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi ringo [13:32] <harryfreak359> hi Ringo! [13:32] <DumbleDebbie> aww Jane sad [13:32] <JaneMarple9> nice point Snapesgood [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> What significance, if any, is there to the graveyard being set in a stand of Yew trees? (Room 18-The Atrium). [13:33] <Ringo2000> Hi Everyone smile [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> hey ringo [13:33] <DumbleDebbie> Yes trees are symbolic of death [13:33] <Ringo2000> Hey Sooner smile [13:33] <bemused> tradtional in English churchyards [13:33] <Aislinn> I never noticed that, on my early readings of the book [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the symbolism there [13:33] <cloudpic> Ummm.... the yew is death...and [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Ah, yew trees. symbols of death. Poisonous sap. [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> And LV's wand wood. [13:33] <Ringo2000> Is Gildroy Here Sooner? [13:33] <DumbleDebbie> there are actually a long row of them in the graveyard near my parents' house [13:33] <harryfreak359> i never noticed that either [13:33] <Snapesgood> yeah I thought the yew wand was a great touch [13:33] <cloudpic> Isn't there something about Voldie's wand? [13:33] <JaneMarple9> yew trees...they have a type of poison in their berries - taxine [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> no Gilderoy today ringo [13:33] <BrettMac> voldy's wand was a yew wand, wasnt it? [13:33] <Ringo2000> Thank God tongue [13:33] <JaneMarple9> and something about wands yes [13:34] <bemused> Yew symbolises death, also eternal life [13:34] <cloudpic> I think. Odd choice for one who fears death [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, indeed, Brett. [13:34] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Brett it is [13:34] <cloudpic> Oh... both! [13:34] <cloudpic> then that makes sense, bemused. [13:34] <Ringo2000> How do you stop that scroll thing [13:34] <JaneMarple9> they appear quite often in graveyards with willows i think [13:34] <bemused> Yes - that's why you find it in churchyards [13:34] <Snapesgood> and the phoenix core ofcourse - a bird that never dies [13:34] <Ringo2000> i keep having to grr...:@ scroll down [13:34] <BrettMac> i have the book right here: "thirteen and a half inches. yew." [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you suppose the golden web emitted Phoenix song? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:35] <JaneMarple9> magic sorcerer [13:35] <DumbleDebbie> from the wand cores [13:35] <Snapesgood> the cores of the wond [13:35] <Snapesgood> *wand [13:35] <cloudpic> That is really puzzling. [13:35] <bemused> because the phoenix feather was the one thing the wands had in common [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think because of the wand cores [13:35] <harryfreak359> wand cores yes [13:35] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder what sound it would make if the wand cores were from the same unicorn [13:35] <Ringo2000> wand cores yup [13:35] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:35] <bemused> neigh? [13:35] <BrettMac> no idea...and im sorry, but that was one of my least favorite parts of any book. very unusual, and completely out of the blue. [13:35] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:35] <cloudpic> Did the wands' cores call to Fawkes? or is it just an "echo" [13:35] <JaneMarple9> of course great point - wand cores! Never thought of that :doh: [13:35] <DumbleDebbie> or same dragon heart [13:35] <Snapesgood> and the dead were coming to help Harry right [13:35] <Ringo2000> wb sooner [13:36] <Ringo2000> ya i agree wand cores [13:36] <DumbleDebbie> I think the sound eminated from the cores. I don't think it was calling to fawkes [13:36] <JaneMarple9> they were calling voldemorts victims - to help harry [13:36] <DumbleDebbie> sort of an aubdible reflection fo the core [13:36] <bemused> I agree, Debbie [13:36] <Aislinn> Why did that music fill Harry’s heart with hope? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:37] <JaneMarple9> they were reminding him of his parents [13:37] <bemused> Because phoenix song has helped him before, I think [13:37] <Snapesgood> And the one time he heard it before in CoS [13:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think he was attuned to not only the wand cores but also to Fawkes [13:37] <BrettMac> its phoenix song, and the same sort of thing saved him in CoS. and it reminded him of dd. [13:37] <harryfreak359> the phoenix song had done so before.. [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> music is magical [13:37] <cloudpic> His experience in CoS.... and it seems generally to give listerners' heart [13:37] <JaneMarple9> it had - in the CoS. Phoenix Song helped heal harry's wounds [13:37] <Aislinn> and the pheonix song in particular seems to be, sooner [13:38] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [13:38] <DumbleDebbie> music can do that [13:38] <Snapesgood> I think a Phoenix song usually gives hope [13:38] <bemused> Yes, that's true, there's also magic int he music [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> it also was prominent at the end of HBP after DD died [13:38] <DumbleDebbie> and phoenix song is particularly healing [13:38] <Aislinn> Was it really the Phoenix song which told Harry not to break the connection or something else like Dumbledore? If so, what? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I have no idea [13:38] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore always liked chamber music - so music is good [13:38] <harryfreak359> no clue [13:38] <BrettMac> lol [13:38] <DumbleDebbie> and at the same time puts fear in the heart of the evil ones [13:38] <Snapesgood> I think it was just intuition [13:38] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [13:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> You can get messages through music. Speaks to you intuitively. [13:38] <bemused> I think that's HArry's own innate magic [13:38] <Ringo2000> sorry [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think something intuitive. [13:39] <SusannahMio> I think it was Harry's own subconscious sense of self-preservation [13:39] <DumbleDebbie> I think it was something inside Harry [13:39] <DumbleDebbie> wb ringo [13:39] <BrettMac> i think it might have been...his parents? i dunno, maybe [13:39] <JaneMarple9> i'd say the thought of cedric [13:39] <Ringo2000> ty dumbke smile [13:39] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, I agree - it was an intuitive act [13:39] <Ringo2000> **dumble [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if fawkes could communicae that way [13:39] <cloudpic> I wondered about that... still don't know... every explanation seems equally likely [13:39] <bemused> He can do amazing things when he really needs to [13:39] <SusannahMio> So it only makes sense [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> but if so, then it was a telepathic communication [13:39] <SusannahMio> Breaking the connection would mean putting all Voldemort's attention back on Harry [13:39] <JaneMarple9> he can bemused [13:39] <DumbleDebbie> through song Sooner? that's a cool idea [13:39] <JaneMarple9> yes sussanah [13:40] <Aislinn> As Harry and Voldemort engaged in a battle of wills to force the light beads back and forth, what did you think of Harry using his power of concentration to force the light back? (FredFan, Room 18–The Atrium). [13:40] <Ringo2000> Excuse Me - This scrollback thing isnt working [13:40] <cloudpic> My best guesses: 1.) Dumbledore through Fawkes; 2) intuition; 3.) the shadows in the wand [13:40] <JaneMarple9> perhaps sooner nice idea [13:40] <DumbleDebbie> Dumbledore seems able to communicate with fawkes [13:40] <Ringo2000> Sorry to interupt [13:40] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [13:40] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:40] <DumbleDebbie> very impressive on Harry's part [13:40] <cloudpic> Loved it, loved it.... proved to me that Harry had the greater strength! [13:40] <Aislinn> Ringo - the chat moves along, you just have to follow it as it goes. [13:40] <bemused> Again, it shows how powerful Harry really is - he got the message and LV didn't [13:40] <JaneMarple9> yes harry showed his stength [13:40] <SusannahMio> I was surprised by that, Harry's ability to outdo Voldemort in at least one aspect [13:41] <Ringo2000> oh ok then [13:41] <NYBookworm> It shows harry determination and strength of will [13:41] <SusannahMio> Harry can also throw off the Imperius, so we knew he had extreme strength of mind [13:41] <Snapesgood> And it showed that he realised he needed to do this [13:41] <Aislinn> i think it demonstrated a strength of character [13:41] <DumbleDebbie> he's an iron-willed young man, love it! [13:41] <Joyhawk2121> mind power [13:41] <SusannahMio> But Voldemort seems stronger in every other way [13:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also that Harry was courageous, unlike LV [13:41] <cloudpic> He's older, more experienced than Harry.... but Harry has such a natural talent [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Harry has hidden strength. The unsplit, untarnished soul. [13:42] <JaneMarple9> agreed totally wagga [13:42] <Snapesgood> Funny thing mind-power, Harry could throw off the Imperius curse but could not focus on occlumency [13:42] <DumbleDebbie> oo, good point mr M [13:42] <JaneMarple9> agreed mcgonagall [13:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Courage is in standing up to something stronger. [13:42] <Joyhawk2121> true snapegood [13:42] <DumbleDebbie> 1 whole soul vs. 1/7th of a soul [13:42] <SusannahMio> I think Harry didn't want to do Occlumency, so it was actually his own stubbornness, not his lack of ability [13:42] <Snapesgood> and Voldemort holding a wand after a long time [13:43] <SusannahMio> If he'd wanted to, of course he could [13:43] <Ringo2000> aww wants to give treats tongue [13:43] <Snapesgood> ya Susannah, but maybe the thing is for Occlumency you also need to get rid of emotions and Harry's power has been his emotions most of the time [13:43] <Ringo2000> oh tongue [13:43] <Aislinn> What do you suppose Voldemort thought about Harry’s ability to force the light back upon him? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> awww, it only works if you are a mod Ringo [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> true snapesgood, Harry does draw strength thru his emotions [13:44] <Snapesgood> like here, how much did seeing Cedric being killed like that give Harry strenght [13:44] <Ringo2000> lol sooner - keep him well fed biggrin [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> Shocker! [13:44] <BrettMac> i dont get it...ill be back in a bit everyone [13:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think LV shocked to pieces [13:44] <bemused> I think he was terrified, Aislinn [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> I think that gave Voldy pause [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Brett [13:44] <cloudpic> Must have given him a brief moment of fear... but he'd immediately rationalize it [13:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye [13:44] <harryfreak359> bye [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> Total freak-out on LV's part. [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> bet he was realy shocked [13:44] <Ringo2000> voldy realised he was a greater threat than he thought [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> and then when he saw what was being forced out of his wand... uh-oh! [13:44] <Aislinn> I think he is so arrogant about his own abilities, that he was completely shocked by the fact that a mere boy was besting him [13:44] <Snapesgood> I think that should have been a big surprise to him [13:45] <SusannahMio> He was probably horrified, because he finally realized Harry wasn't only alive because of luck [13:45] <harryfreak359> yup shock would probably a good word to describe it... [13:45] <cloudpic> It may mean he'll prefer an even more controlled circumstance for a final duel [13:45] <Snapesgood> his evil deeds coming back to haunt him :P [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder when it hit him that he had been bested yet again? laugh [13:45] <cloudpic> He'd excuse it because of his recent "rebirth" [13:45] <harryfreak359> hehehe [13:45] <Snapesgood> And he couldnt blame his DEs this time [13:45] <bemused> It's also undermining all his certainties [13:45] <JaneMarple9> agreed cloudpic [13:45] <DumbleDebbie> when Ced's shade appeared, Sooner [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> dont you know it had to suck to be the DE's witnessing that [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...view=getnewpost [13:45] <SusannahMio> That scene would have been so much less dramatic if Voldy had forced it to Harry's wand... Harry's spells aren't nearly so talkative [13:45] <cloudpic> Ohh... wonderful Snapesgood! [13:45] <Aislinn> What do you think the Death Eaters thought as Harry forced the light back upon Voldemort? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:46] <DumbleDebbie> or maybe even when he saw the silver hand [13:46] <JaneMarple9> he was probably very "Bemused" [13:46] <JaneMarple9> oh oh biggrin [13:46] *** mlyda518 has joined #lounge [13:46] <bemused> smile: [13:46] <Ringo2000> well i think they had a little moment [13:46] <harryfreak359> i think they were feeling some fear pehaps... [13:46] <cloudpic> I suspect that you're sooo right, Jane! [13:46] <DumbleDebbie> uh-oh, here we go again ;) [13:46] <NYBookworm> I think they mightnot have been able to see as well from the outside [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Completely clueless and vaguely fearful. [13:46] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:46] <Snapesgood> i think they wanted to get out and fast [13:46] <DumbleDebbie> that may be NYB [13:46] <cloudpic> Oh, I hope they could! [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if they realized that was what was going on though [13:46] <BrettMac> im back... [13:46] <Ringo2000> ya NYB [13:46] <Joyhawk2121> fearful I think also [13:46] <DumbleDebbie> and wondering what to do but being told to stay back [13:47] <DumbleDebbie> wb brett [13:47] <JaneMarple9> I can just see all the DE's looking at each other...."We're in trouble now!" [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> they were forced back by the dome, werent they? [13:47] <SusannahMio> They probably didn't have much idea what was going on, but they could probably tell Voldy wasn't in control [13:47] <Aislinn> I think it unnerved them to see the wizard they think all-powerful, struggling like this [13:47] <BrettMac> ...and i have NO idea about this topic. ill wait for the next one biggrin [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, nothing like finding out you have picked the losing team [13:47] <DumbleDebbie> they couldn't enter into it [13:47] <DumbleDebbie> lol [13:47] <Aislinn> How did Bertha’s echo know the boy fighting Voldemort was Harry? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:47] <JaneMarple9> I am sure they knew Voldie wasn't in control any more [13:47] <BrettMac> how wouldnt she? the scar, right? [13:47] <Snapesgood> He was pretty famous [13:48] <SusannahMio> Everyone knows Harry [13:48] <Snapesgood> and she would have recognised him [13:48] <SusannahMio> He's famous [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I had this question about all of the characters. How did they know what was going on? [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> the shades seem to have knowledge of the current situation [13:48] <cloudpic> He'd been in the paper [13:48] *** mlyda518 has quit [Bye] [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> somehow [13:48] <JaneMarple9> everyone knoews harry - nice summing up biggrin [13:48] <Ringo2000> ya his scar would have definantly give it awaya [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> maybe she saw his scar? [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> The shades were very peculiar. Like ghosts but not. [13:48] <Aislinn> I think that because they are now beyond the veil, there are truths that are revealed to them [13:48] <SusannahMio> Frank didn't know him, because he was a Muggle, but Bertha would [13:48] <bemused> They seemed more than echoes or portraits [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> or maybe she and Ced and the Potters were chatting in there [13:48] <cloudpic> Hmmm... perhaps they "talk" while waiting to appear? [13:48] <Ringo2000> and plus harry is the only "wizard" that could even stand up to Voldy [13:48] <BrettMac> lol maybe [13:48] <JaneMarple9> she'd probably heard about him from lily and james [13:48] <cloudpic> LOL... DD [13:48] <Ringo2000> and she probably asumed it was him [13:49] <bemused> ... and it's interesting that a Muggle was there with them [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> for instance, James knew about the portkey. How did he know that? [13:49] <JaneMarple9> biggrin that must had been a interesting conversation biggrin [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe when their bulge entered the wand stream they could communicate with each other? [13:49] <cloudpic> His picture had been in the papers [13:49] <Aislinn> What do you think the echoes hissed at Voldemort as they walked around the connected wizards? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> wink cp [13:49] <BrettMac> swear words [13:49] <Snapesgood> "Die you moron"??? [13:49] <JaneMarple9> "You're dead" biggrin [13:49] <cloudpic> "evil git": James [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> nothing that could be repeated in a PG-13 forum, I can tell you! [13:49] <BrettMac> random, uncensored swear words [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> someting insulting in parseltongue? wink [13:49] <JaneMarple9> biggrin biggrin [13:50] <bemused> I think they were pointing out that killing them hadn't got rid of them - they could still upset his plans [13:50] <SusannahMio> Well, what would YOU say to him, if you had the chance [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe James told him a "yo mama" joke :P [13:50] <cloudpic> I don't think they'd have been swearing... maybe they were speaking his "sins" [13:50] <harryfreak359> lol [13:50] <Aislinn> ooh, good thought bemused [13:50] <DumbleDebbie> "Tom, you are going to die" [13:50] <JaneMarple9> I think we all agreed that it wasn't complimentary! [13:50] <Ringo2000> LOL SOONER [13:50] <Aislinn> I also wonder if they were telling him what awaited him when he does die [13:50] <DumbleDebbie> "and we're waiting for you" [13:50] <Snapesgood> "we'll be back?" [13:50] <SusannahMio> I think "yo daddy" jokes would work better, he's more sensitive about him [13:50] <BrettMac> lol [13:50] <cloudpic> It scared him though... I like that one, DumbleD...as he does fear death [13:50] <bemused> yes, Aislinn - I think it's undermining his whole view of death [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> catch you on the flip side? [13:51] <Ringo2000> hahahah - no James was humming the underdog theme while Lily had flags saying go Team Potter [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> yes Aislinn, a little taunting back at Voldy [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [13:51] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, exactly [13:51] <bemused> ... possibly the first chink in his armour? [13:51] <JaneMarple9> £See you at the end of Book 7" biggrin [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:51] <Snapesgood> lol Jane [13:51] <BrettMac> something about how he's going to die, and it's inevitable, and that theyd be waiting for him in the deathly hallows when he was gon--OMG! THEORY ATTCK! [13:51] <harryfreak359> ol [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Jane. [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> my son is going to kick your butt again [13:51] <Ringo2000> lol Jane [13:51] <harryfreak359> lol* [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> "We're coming to take you away, hee hee, ho ho" [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [13:51] <cloudpic> Oh...Snapesgood and Jane.... maybe so! [13:52] <Aislinn> Why does Voldemort insist upon killing Harry himself as he chases Harry through the graveyard? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:52] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:52] <bemused> lol [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> cause that's how he rolls [13:52] <bemused> Because his pride is severely undermined [13:52] <cloudpic> Still trying to prove he's the best [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> He's got a real hang up in that area [13:52] <Snapesgood> Its down to him showing the DEs he's still powerful [13:52] <BrettMac> to show the DEs that he is stronger than harry, and them [13:52] <Ringo2000> no he Lily sang "I stopped you, In the name of love!" [13:52] <JaneMarple9> yes cloud! [13:52] <SusannahMio> The same reason he's been insisting for the entire series, to prove himself [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's because LV believes the prophecy must be fulfilled. [13:52] <Joyhawk2121> Harry is his biggest threat [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed Mr M [13:52] <cloudpic> LOL Ringo [13:52] <JaneMarple9> he wants to show the DE's that he can do it this time! [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Mr M good point [13:53] <cloudpic> Quite so, Mr. McG. [13:53] <SusannahMio> Yes, maybe he knows the rest of them couldn't possibly do it [13:53] <JaneMarple9> He failed killing a tiny baby but a 14 year old is easy! [13:53] <harryfreak359> well if you have chasing down this teenage boy, and can't kill then one of your minions killed him, how would that look? [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that he would lose so much face if he were not the one to ultimately kill Harry [13:53] <Aislinn> I think you're right Snapesgood : he needed to prove to his followers that he could take care of this little punk [13:53] <NYBookworm> becasue the evil henchmen sent after the hero won't end up killing him anyway, so he thought what's the point smile [13:53] <SusannahMio> He's fated to be the one [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> As DD says, LV puts way too much store by the prophecy. [13:53] <BrettMac> true, mr. m [13:53] <Ringo2000> harry - good point [13:53] <harryfreak359> yes Mr M, he does put too much into it [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> well, LV doesnt know that part of it [13:53] <Snapesgood> And he is the all powerful, all-evil wizard who cannot depend on anyone else [13:54] <cloudpic> I, for one, am glad. Others have had so many opportunities... [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> It's become a grudge match for LV. [13:54] <Ringo2000> ya snape >_< told him the first half [13:54] <Aislinn> Why did Cedric ask to have his body returned to his parents? What were your thoughts as you read that? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, he just heard the 1st part [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> happy_crying [13:54] <Ringo2000> hmm [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> understandable [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> that was just heartbreaking [13:54] <Ringo2000> well I just thought he wouldnt want his body floating around in the DE HQ [13:54] <NYBookworm> sad sooo sad one of many heart breaking parts [13:54] <Snapesgood> I think that was the saddest part in the entire series [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> I like Harry's "leave no man behind" attitude [13:54] <JaneMarple9> my thoughts - :happy_crying: [13:54] <BrettMac> i think he just wanted his parents to know that he was dead, and witness it firsthand, and not be mad at harry or anything... [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant really blame him [13:55] <cloudpic> awww.... poor Ced... thinking of his parents' need... thinking of them even in death [13:55] <SusannahMio> I would want that, too, to be left lying in a graveyard? [13:55] <Joyhawk2121> I don't think he wanted to be left there [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I wouldnt want my body left there [13:55] <JaneMarple9> poor Ced [13:55] <Snapesgood> "Cant abandon the wingman" [13:55] <Ringo2000> LOL Sooner [13:55] <SusannahMio> Also, it would give his parents closure, I think, to know he's really dead [13:55] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> with Nagini running around [13:55] <cloudpic> It was for their sake (parents) not his [13:55] <Ringo2000> Away from Lockhart at least smile [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> the DE would probably have done awful things to the body, out of sickness and anger [13:55] <bemused> He would know that's what they'd want and need - but it makes me cry [13:55] <harryfreak359> no it wouldn't be nice sooner [13:55] <JaneMarple9> it wasn't as sad as the death in the next book, for me [13:55] <Aislinn> I think he was thinking of their feelings as well [13:55] <JaneMarple9> but still a really sad death [13:55] <Aislinn> which just shows again what a decent kid he was [13:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think it was necessary for Cedric's parents to accept his death [13:55] <Ringo2000> ya correct dumble - probably blasting him apart [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> and to believe Harry [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> Ced's death hit me way more than Sirus [13:55] <cloudpic> Cedric was soo innocent and young. It was sadder for me [13:55] <Snapesgood> Yes but this was an innocent who did not know what he was getting into [13:55] <BrettMac> i wasnt really sad when i read about cedrics death, more surprised. [13:55] <Snapesgood> the others had a choice [13:56] <JaneMarple9> I think Harry thought what he would have wanted if he was Ced [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> if Harry had returned with no body, it could have been very bad for Harry [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> It's like the army - you don't leave even the body of a fallen comrade behind. [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> and DD's speech at the end... happy_crying [13:56] * cloudpic ducks from those who love Sirius [13:56] <Joyhawk2121> true sooner [13:56] <SusannahMio> Me too, Cedric was innocent and unsuspecting, Sirius was in a battle [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree cloudpic [13:56] <Snapesgood> rememer cedric [13:56] <Ringo2000> Personally, people take Cedric's death a little too serious, he had no relavance to the books [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M [13:56] * JaneMarple9 hands Cloudpic some tissues [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> he had a bunch of revelance [13:56] <cloudpic> Cedric represents all that is good in a Wizard. [13:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> that too. Harry would have been blamed for killing Cedric [13:56] <SusannahMio> That might be why, though [13:57] <Snapesgood> and it needs something stupid sometimes to wake people up [13:57] <cloudpic> Honor, loyalty, a sense of fair play. [13:57] <Ringo2000> wouldnt harry be doing that [13:57] <Aislinn> Jo makes a real point of showing us what a high value should be placed on life, Ringo. This is valuing a life [13:57] <SusannahMio> He was just a nice character who everyone liked, and was killed for no reason [13:57] <Joyhawk2121> innocent people get caught up in the good vs evil fight [13:57] <Aislinn> regardless of the importance of the character [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> wrong place, wrong time [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> and it goes to show how easily LV can order it [13:57] <Ringo2000> he came across to me as a bit big headed - sorry if that sounds a little disrepectful [13:57] <bemused> Time I wasn't here - bye, everyone. thanks for a good chat! [13:57] <Aislinn> murder is very serious, even with a secondary character [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> and how quickly his followers will obey [13:57] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it was so unncessary [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> which is a scary, scary thought [13:57] <SusannahMio> He was just an afterthought [13:57] <DumbleDebbie> bye bemused [13:57] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:57] <Aislinn> What did you think of Harry’s Accio escape? (Room 18–The Atrium). [13:57] <SusannahMio> Like anyone else could be [13:58] <cloudpic> Cedric? No, his father was... but he wasn't, Ringo [13:58] <Snapesgood> Sensational [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> that's one of the most chilling lines "Kill the spare" [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved it. Talk about irony [13:58] <Ringo2000> ya i suppose cloud [13:58] <SusannahMio> Perfect [13:58] <Joyhawk2121> really cool [13:58] <BrettMac> that was cool and well written, but a bit of a deus ex machina on jo's part... [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> Quite sensational! [13:58] <harryfreak359> pretty easy escape...yet very perfect [13:58] <cloudpic> Loved it that Accio saved him again! (he'd worked so hard to learn it) [13:58] <Aislinn> yes cloudpic [13:58] <Ringo2000> ano dumble it shows that Voldy will not stop [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> good thing he practised that spell [13:58] <SusannahMio> Harry never wastes anything he learns [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry would have never learned that spell by that time if not for LV's plan [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> A simple charm . . . [13:58] <Snapesgood> wonder if evanesco would work on people [13:58] <Ringo2000> yup MrM [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> so yet again. LV is giving Harry the tools he needs to defeat/escape him [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> yes, nice how the simple things save harry [13:59] <SusannahMio> Also, the irony that he never would have learned it, if not for Crouch [13:59] <cloudpic> He had been relying on his Muggle running... glad he remembered "You're a wizard, Harry" [13:59] <cloudpic> Oh, indeed, SusannaMio! [13:59] <Aislinn> It's been a great chat folks. Thanks for coming! [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> yes, good thing cp [13:59] <Ringo2000> but Zacharias Smiths' attitude to it wasn't what i expected - then again this was what nobody believes [13:59] <SusannahMio> Yes, like Hermione in book 1 [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yes! Great chat! [13:59] <cloudpic> Yay! Bravo the questions! [13:59] <SusannahMio> Are you a witch or not?! [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> have a good day hug [13:59] <Ringo2000> yup I joined late but its been a cool 45 mins [13:59] <cloudpic> And responses? [13:59] <Joyhawk2121> thanks it was a good chat as always [13:59] <cloudpic> biggrin [13:59] <Snapesgood> Harry could use it on LV then [13:59] <Snapesgood> Great time and my first time [13:59] <Ringo2000> Cya all On the Lounge :hugs: flowers :kiss: [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Bye everone! [14:00] <SusannahMio> My first time, too, and I really enjoyed it [14:00] <Ringo2000> hug** [14:00] <BrettMac> bye everyone! great chat! smile [14:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [14:00] <cloudpic> Bye, all! [14:00] <SusannahMio> Bye! [14:00] <harryfreak359> ye everyone! [14:00] <harryfreak359> bye* [14:00] *** BrettMac left #lounge [] [14:00] <cloudpic> Glad you came Susanna! [14:00] <Ringo2000> Bye, Thanks Aislin, MrM and Sooner [14:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:00] *** SusannahMio left #lounge [] [14:00] <Ringo2000> and cloud [14:00] <Snapesgood> Bye all [14:00] <Joyhawk2121> bye to all [14:00] *** Snapesgood left #lounge [] [14:00] <Ringo2000> cya all next time [14:00] <cloudpic> Bye, Ringo! [14:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Have to go. bye [14:00] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [14:01] <JaneMarple9> :hug: all my friends hug [14:01] <cloudpic> Whoope dee do! [14:01] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [14:01] <JaneMarple9> :toast: [14:01] <cloudpic> Hugs to you too, Jane... Bye all [14:01] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:01] <JaneMarple9> Been a great chat - whats PPP tomorrow? [14:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> flowers [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> um [14:01] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant remember [14:01] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:01] <Aislinn> erm..... [14:01] <JaneMarple9> ok its a surprise one! 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