Reading Group Chat - 11/25/2006, Goblet of Fire chapters 10-12 |
 Nov 25 2006, 04:14 PM
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[12:00] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Reading Group Chat - Goblet of Fire chapters 10-12 (Poet) [12:01] <Poet> howdy [12:01] <Aislinn> hi [12:01] <fawkes28> hey [12:02] <Poet> Nice weather we're having [12:02] <fawkes28> so what is new? [12:02] <fawkes28> yes, it is nice weather here [12:02] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:02] <Poet> I think I need to move permanently to some place warm. I've been spoiled the last few weeks with all this mild weather [12:02] <fawkes28> yay! [12:03] <futureweasley> yay, I made it! [12:03] <fawkes28> it was cold but a few days last week but now it is warm in the 60's [12:03] <Aislinn> this is weird - where are all our chatters? [12:03] <fawkes28> i don't know sad [12:04] <fawkes28> well we have 10 minutes [12:04] <futureweasley> they are either in leftover turkey comas, or shopping [12:04] <Aislinn> or travelling [12:04] <fawkes28> has it ever been like this before? with no one? [12:04] <Aislinn> only the one scribbulus chat [12:04] <futureweasley> um, Scribby once [12:05] <fawkes28> so what does everyone want for christmas? [12:06] <Poet> I want a keyboard to plug into my laptop. [12:06] <futureweasley> I want clogs from Peddler's Village [12:06] <Poet> ooo [12:06] <futureweasley> and chatters at our chat!! [12:07] <fawkes28> i want a woot free christmas smile [12:07] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [12:07] <futureweasley> hi gryffindelle [12:07] <gryffindelle> hi [12:07] <fawkes28> hi gryffindelle [12:07] <futureweasley> if I come there, it will definitely not be woot free! [12:07] <gryffindelle> just stopping in quickly, can't stay for long [12:07] <gryffindelle> where? [12:07] <fawkes28> oh no i forgot [12:07] <futureweasley> over to fawkes for christmas [12:07] <gryffindelle> oh [12:08] <Aislinn> he gryff [12:08] <fawkes28> we will be woo hooinh all the way [12:09] <futureweasley> so, did you celebrate Thanksgiving Gryffindelle? [12:09] <gryffindelle> is there a chat tonight too? [12:09] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:09] <gryffindelle> yup [12:09] <fawkes28> hi mr. m! [12:09] <futureweasley> AHHH, MrMcG!! [12:09] <Aislinn> not tonight, gryff [12:09] <Aislinn> hi Mr M! [12:09] <gryffindelle> ok thanks [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! [12:09] <gryffindelle> hi mrm [12:09] <futureweasley> did you have a good holiday? [12:09] <fawkes28> all is quiet in the CB [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> Thanksgiving was great. Beautiful weather, good friends, excellent food. [12:10] <fawkes28> nice [12:10] <futureweasley> all right! [12:10] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [12:10] <fawkes28> i took your advance and saw The Queen last night [12:10] <gryffindelle> i got to see my baby cousin [12:10] <fawkes28> it was great smile [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Alexk! [12:10] <Poet> nice [12:10] <Poet> Hi Alexk [12:10] <Aislinn> hi alex [12:10] <fawkes28> hi alexk [12:10] <Alexk> Helloo! [12:10] <futureweasley> that's fun! Babies are fun...especially when you can pass them off [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> I just read your post in the Hall, fawkes. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. [12:10] <gryffindelle> she's not even a month old [12:10] <fawkes28> thanks for recommending it [12:11] <gryffindelle> anyway, i've got to go [12:11] <fawkes28> thanks for stopping bye smile [12:11] <Aislinn> thanks for stopping by smile [12:11] <gryffindelle> nice chatting and I'll try to return tomorrow [12:11] <futureweasley> see you gryff [12:11] <gryffindelle> byebye [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> I loved Tony Blair's kick-butt rant at his staff toward the end. [12:11] <Alexk> bye gryff [12:11] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [12:11] <fawkes28> yes, he was a great actor [12:12] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [12:12] <futureweasley> hi sofie [12:12] <Sofie> hey all! [12:12] <fawkes28> hi sofie [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Sofie! [12:12] <Alexk> hi sofie [12:12] <Aislinn> hi sofie smile [12:12] <Sofie> what a welcome lol biggrin [12:12] * Poet waves at Sofie and offers pumpkin pie [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> The little raindrop chorus of the CB! [12:12] <Aislinn> I think many people are out shopping or travelling today [12:13] <Alexk> lol [12:13] <Sofie> thanks poet! biggrin [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, I thought it might be a little light in here today. [12:13] <fawkes28> oh you didn't tell me you have pumpkin pie, poet? [12:13] <Sofie> i havent been here for ages... [12:13] <fawkes28> i love it! [12:13] <Sofie> university keeps mu busy [12:13] <Sofie> *me [12:13] <Aislinn> welcome back smile [12:13] <fawkes28> what are you studying, sofie? [12:14] <Sofie> English and German [12:14] <Poet> Nice [12:14] <Alexk> ooo, I love english!! use it all the time! [12:14] <fawkes28> smile [12:14] <Alexk> :) [12:14] <Sofie> hehe biggrin [12:14] *** Eeyore has joined #lounge [12:14] <fawkes28> hi eeyore! [12:14] <futureweasley> hi eeyore! [12:14] <Aislinn> hi eeyore [12:14] <Poet> Glad to hear it Alexk ;) [12:14] <Sofie> hy eeyore! [12:14] <Alexk> lol [12:14] <MrMcGonagall> Hooray for Eeyore! [12:14] <Eeyore> hi [12:14] <Alexk> hi eeyore [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [12:16] <Poet> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Poet got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:16] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. And - for the benefit of our non-English speakers (and those that read the transcript later) please try to use standard, complete English word when typing. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:16] <futureweasley> The morning after the Dark Mark was cast, Arthur hustles the group along. They pass a dazed Mr. Roberts–his memory modified–he’s a bit disorientated. They hurry to the launching point and find Basil surrounded by a clamoring crowd all wanting to go ASAP. Arthur speaks with Basil and the Weasley party takes an old rubber tire back to Stoatshead Hill. [12:16] <futureweasley> A frantic Molly meets them and seizes Fred and George in a tight hug. Rita wrote a lovely article about Ministry blunders. Arthur cut his holiday short and goes to work–Percy too. Harry tells Ron and Hermione about his “dream” and they have the very reaction Harry imagined back at Privet Drive. Hermione talks about books; Ron frets about LV and puts it all down to just a dream. [12:16] <futureweasley> Molly frets about Arthur being overworked, Percy chides Arthur for his QWC actions and Molly jumps down his throat. Fred and George quietly plot in a corner. Rita’s learned about Bertha Jorkins. Percy pipes up and Arthur points out Crouch was lucky Rita didn’t find out about Winky. The kids begin packing for school where Ron finds ... a really dreadful set of dress robes bought by Molly. [12:17] <futureweasley> Before leaving for school, there’s a fuss in the kitchen. Mr. Weasley has a message from Amos, whose head is in the fire. There’s been a problem and Arthur’s the only one who can help. “Mad-Eye” Moody set his bins as alarms in his yard and they’ve gone off. Arthur is to smooth things over-Moody starts a new job today. [12:17] <futureweasley> Moody was a great Auror–filling Azkaban. He’s a tad paranoid. At King's Cross, Charlie hints that he'll be seeing them again soon. On the train, Malfoy yammers on how he should’ve gone to Durmstrang. Mama wanted him closer to home. The trio is joined by their friends and then by the anti-trio. Draco gloats about Ron’s dress robes and hints he knows something they don’t. [12:17] <futureweasley> At the Feast, we hear a new sorting song. As they eat, they learn Hogwarts has enslaved house-elves! An outraged Hermione stops eating! There’s to be no Quidditch! Instead, there’s to be a Triwizard Tournament. Hogwarts will compete with Beauxbatons and Durmstrang. The winner gets 1,000 Galleons. An age restriction keeps kids under 17 from competing. We meet Moody, the new DADA teacher. [12:17] <futureweasley> Ready? Good! Let’s talk about Chapters 10-12 of GoF. [12:17] <futureweasley> If a person has more to forget, do you think the memory charm used on them makes them more disorientated? Is that fair to the person having his or her memory modified? [12:18] <Poet> Tough call [12:18] *** halfakneazle has joined #lounge [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure there are degrees of obliviation. [12:18] <fawkes28> hello halfakneazle [12:18] <Poet> I do think it takes more to make them forget more [12:18] <halfakneazle> hiya [12:18] <futureweasley> I don't like memory modificaton as a rule [12:18] <Sofie> i dont think its fair [12:18] <Aislinn> I think that they probably have to make the oblivation broader, and may affect more than just the specific memory [12:18] <fawkes28> i don't like it either future [12:19] <futureweasley> there are times when I believe it is useful, but I really don't like the idea [12:19] <Alexk> it gives too much control to wizards [12:19] <Aislinn> the fact that Mr Roberts wished them a Merry Christmas shows he was pretty disoriented [12:19] <Poet> I think it's mostly unfair to modifiy memory, but that's been the standard way for wizards to deal with their interactions with the regular population for some time [12:19] <fawkes28> sometimes it is not necessary to use [12:19] <halfakneazle> what's today's topic? [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Well, considering how often wizards slip up in concealing themselves and the wizarding world, the memory charms do become a bit of a necessity. Nevertheless, the effects are unfortunate. [12:19] <Aislinn> we're discussing chapters 10-12 from Goblet of Fire [12:19] <fawkes28> it seems like mr. robert's memory was modified too much [12:19] <halfakneazle> okay, thanks [12:19] <Poet> Glad to have you halfakneazle [12:20] <futureweasley> we are talking right now about the effects of memory charms, halfakneazle [12:20] <Eeyore> to be honest, it never bothered me until it was brought up on the chapter discussions. But it really is a horribly mind controlling thing to do, now I think of it. [12:20] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:20] <fawkes28> hello bemused [12:20] <Aislinn> hi bemused smile [12:20] <futureweasley> hey bemused [12:20] <Alexk> hi bemused [12:20] <bemused> hello everyone [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> I always wondered in this chapter how the Ministry could have been so blockheaded as to use a public campground in the first place. Was that really necessary? [12:20] <Eeyore> hi bemused [12:20] <fawkes28> i think some wizards enjoy the power of using it and take advantage of it [12:20] <Eeyore> where would they go though [12:20] <Aislinn> or why they didn't use some other type of Muggle repelling charm to get the Roberts to leave for a while [12:20] <futureweasley> I think that people should have the right to decide for themselves whether they can deal with something or not [12:20] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [12:21] <Poet> Sometimes wouldn't we all like to forget things that have happened in our lives? It's easier to forgive if we forget, but I do think it's over used in Goblet of Fire [12:21] <futureweasley> right, why have a muggle handle the campgrounds at all? [12:21] <Poet> I agree Aislinn [12:21] <fawkes28> yes, they knew having muggles around was dangerous and that they would have to modify their memories [12:21] <Eeyore> it's not likely they could officially own property that large anywhere without it slipping out to the muggles [12:21] <Aislinn> hey dumbleydore [12:21] <fawkes28> hi dumbleydore [12:21] <Alexk> well, it's not fair, you don't know what memories you could be erasing, how would you as a wizard stiop from mifying an important memory [12:21] <halfakneazle> hi! [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> Send the Roberts on a little vacation. [12:21] <fawkes28> right, eeyore [12:21] <futureweasley> exactly MrMcG [12:21] <halfakneazle> right. [12:21] <dumbleydore18> hi guys [12:21] <fawkes28> true, alex [12:22] <futureweasley> why not let them think they came onto a winfall of money and they could get away for a bit? [12:22] <dumbleydore18> I will admit i haven't read this week's chapters...I am reading them right now! I am sooooo far behind. [12:22] <dumbleydore18> I came to the chat nonetheless though [12:22] <futureweasley> Was it fair of Arthur to cut ahead of other waiting witches and wizards and get his party out ahead of them? [12:22] <dumbleydore18> just to be here [12:22] <Aislinn> yes, they could have arranged to have them win the best campground operators award, and sent them to Majorca biggrin [12:22] <fawkes28> it is chapters 10-12 we are discussing [12:22] <bemused> I excpect they wanted someone to manage the campsite and none of the wizards wanted to miss the match! [12:22] <futureweasley> I think that having Harry with him did allow him to "pull some strings" [12:22] <Aislinn> I'm not sure they did all that much cutting - he went and talked to the Ministry guys, but they did join the queue [12:22] <MrMcGonagall> I guess that's where working in the Ministry has its benefits. [12:23] <dumbleydore18> I kind of figured fawkes, thanks for telling me [12:23] <fawkes28> i think arthur has pulled a lot of strings with the QWC [12:23] <futureweasley> yes, I agree fawkes [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Arthur does have a rather large group of young people. Better ot get them out as soon as possible. [12:23] <Alexk> unfair to other wizards, but not to Arthur, he doesn't get to go to these types of events too often, so i don't mind that he cut [12:23] <futureweasley> he helped Ludo's family out of a "jam", and I'm sure that Ludo would have done anything for him [12:23] <fawkes28> i think Jo is trying to show us that no matter how much we love arthur, he is not perfect and makes mistakes [12:24] <Aislinn> agreed Mr M [12:24] <halfakneazle> I guess it wasn't exactly fair, but it's not as though he was doing anything really awful. [12:24] <Aislinn> I don't see his actions as bad in this instance [12:24] <dumbleydore18> I can see why Arthur wanted to go ahead of everyone because of his children's safety and his own, but other people had kids too. [12:24] *** Eeyore has quit [Bye] [12:24] <futureweasley> that, and I'm sure that Ludo was anxious to get the Twins out of the area before they realized his gold had disappeared [12:24] <Poet> There was a plan, I assume, already in place for how people would leave. Those that were first to arrive would also be last to leave perhaps [12:24] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's not like Arthur hexed somebody out of his way. [12:24] <fawkes28> i don't think many people where thinking straight...everyone just wanted to get home [12:24] <MrMcGonagall> Portkeys are like lifeboats on the Titanic. [12:24] <futureweasley> right, away from danger...get their families home in one piece [12:25] <Alexk> i agree fawkes [12:25] <Aislinn> the book says that he had a quick conversation with Basil, and then they joined the queue [12:25] <Aislinn> It does not say that they cut in line [12:25] <fawkes28> good comparision, mr. m [12:25] <Poet> So fawkes28 , perhaps they just dealt with whomever happened to be standing in front of them at the moment (Basil and company) [12:25] <Aislinn> nowhere does it say that they cut in line [12:25] <futureweasley> Did you think the Daily Prophet exploited the situation with its reporting, or were they fair in their coverage? [12:26] <Poet> I think one reporter certainly did [12:26] <futureweasley> Rita, fair? Never [12:26] <bemused> exploited - I think that was vintage Rita! [12:26] <dumbleydore18> exploitation!!! [12:26] <futureweasley> yes bemused, I agree [12:26] <fawkes28> well, it shows how the media can twist events around to make news [12:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was more Rita Skeeter's doing than anything. I'm sure the Daily Prophet doesn't hesitate to exaggerate, though, when it will sell more papers. [12:26] <Alexk> I think it is fair that they exploited the events, that is how they make their money, people wouldn't buy the magazine if there wasn't some kind of exciting news in it [12:26] <futureweasley> she wanted to make a bigger and more detrimental story than actually happened [12:27] <Alexk> *newspaper [12:27] <Poet> It reminds me of certain sensationalistic news media - it's more entertaining if someone messed up [12:27] <Aislinn> they were not at all fair in their coverage - they presented a rumor about bodies that had no facts to support it [12:27] <futureweasley> there is only biased reporting when it comes to the Daily Prophet [12:27] <bemused> I think that would hav been exciting enough even if she'd told the truth [12:28] <dumbleydore18> there was definately some exploitation with Arthur's interview. He didn't know how many were injured or killed when he was trying to save his and his kids' skins...why would someone interview after a shocking event? When people are in shock their minds are not all there. It was not fair for Rita to make those certain accusations. [12:28] <MrMcGonagall> There were very few facts available, so the paper let imagination run wild. [12:28] <fawkes28> she is a gossiper i really can't consider her a reporter [12:28] <futureweasley> and Rita is looking for her Wizarding equivalent to the Pulitzer [12:28] <Alexk> people find rumors exciting, the more rumors the more money they make [12:28] *** halfakneazle has quit [Bye] [12:28] <fawkes28> yes, alex, and that seems to seel more, unfortunately [12:28] <Alexk> and rita's a gossip queen, what can we expect [12:28] <fawkes28> *sell [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> Most of the media are like terriers with a story. They'll worry it to death, even if there's not much there. [12:29] <futureweasley> What did you think of Percy’s reaction to Rita’s coverage of the Ministry? Did he have a point? [12:29] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he really did. Arthur didn't reallly do anything wrong. [12:30] <dumbleydore18> I can't seem to feel that the muggle version of news motto is "if it bleeds it leads" and the wizarding news motto if it's a rumor what a boomer! [12:30] <fawkes28> ah, percy [12:30] <dumbleydore18> Percy will be Percy that's all I haveto say [12:31] <Aislinn> Percy is too sanctimonious [12:31] <Poet> Percy's reaction was a good example to me of how we should sometimes keep our mouth shut and think first before we talk. It's easy to say what we would have done in a situation when we think we know the outcome [12:31] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [12:31] <Poet> Hi WaggaWaggaWerewolf [12:31] <Alexk> hi www [12:31] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> I take it as a sign that he is capable of distancing himself from his father and family to avoid being "guilty" of association. [12:31] <Aislinn> there was nothing inappropriate in what Arthur said to the crowd, and as bill said, if he hadn't said anything, that would have been spun negatively too [12:31] <fawkes28> i think he should have defended his father [12:31] <dumbleydore18> ** I just noticed that there are only 11 people...that is waaaaaaay less than we normally get ** [12:31] <futureweasley> you're right MrMcG...Arthur did nothing wrong coming out of the woods [12:31] <fawkes28> hi wagga [12:32] <Alexk> Percy is like glass stuck in your foot at a strange angle, an angle that doctors can't operate on, unfortunately [12:32] <fawkes28> bill can see reason and all percy has is love for his job [12:32] <Aislinn> it's a holiday weekend dumbleydore [12:32] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's not like Arthur was giving a press conference. [12:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> How are you all? [12:32] <Alexk> so you have to live with the pain forever [12:32] <futureweasley> I agree, Fawkes. She should have stood behind Arthur, but the way he reacted was very telling of what is to come with him [12:32] <Aislinn> hi wagga smile We're discussing chapters 10 - 12 of GoF [12:32] <Poet> Poor Mr. Weasley. He's a Ministry employee, so he can't even enjoy the World Cup without someone treating his comments like they come from an official source [12:32] <Alexk> always there, always annoying [12:33] <dumbleydore18> I knew that Aislinn...It is very weird [12:33] <Aislinn> right now, the media coverage of the QWC [12:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Well I don't normally start chatting at 5.30 in the morning biggrin [12:33] <futureweasley> lol Wagga [12:34] <futureweasley> What did you think of Molly’s worry about the twins and what her last words might have been to them? What did you think of Molly’s relief? Of her hugging Fred and George? [12:34] <dumbleydore18> BRB my cat locked herself in the bathroom [12:34] <Poet> It made me love her even more [12:34] <MrMcGonagall> Typical Molly! [12:34] <Aislinn> I think that was a classic "Mom" reaction [12:34] <futureweasley> I thought of my mother [12:34] <Poet> You see that she really does love her kids [12:34] <bemused> very human - I think most mothers do that at some time [12:34] <Alexk> Do you have to ask? (boggart) [12:34] <Aislinn> yes, Poet, I think it shows that although she may bluster about stuff, what is most important to her is the health and happiness of her family [12:35] <fawkes28> it was killing her inside that the last time she saw them she was mad [12:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Was it ever! [12:35] <dumbleydore18> Ohhh I loved this scene [12:35] <bemused> I love the way they tease her with it later [12:35] <MrMcGonagall> I love how the twins use that emotion to their advantage later on. Typical Fred and George! [12:35] <fawkes28> yes, bemused [12:35] <Poet> She is ready to forget everything that she was upset about earlier. Her true motivations are not selfish. Even when getting upset at her boys it's out of love. [12:35] <Aislinn> yes, bemused - that was very funny [12:35] <Alexk> yes fawkes [12:35] <futureweasley> I am the only child, and goofy at that...my mom has let me walk out the door several times being mad at me. When Molly reacted the way she did, it reminded me of the numerous times I've had that same reaction from my own mother [12:36] <fawkes28> and it is times like this where she realizes that the petty arguments don't matter [12:36] <futureweasley> Molly's an excellent mother, and her reaction was that of any good mom [12:36] <Aislinn> It did endear Molly to me even more [12:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It depends on the circumstances. There was a riot and Rita made it sound worse [12:36] <dumbleydore18> it reminds me of how a real mother should be and it brings happy tears to my eyes to know that maybe some of Jo's mother is inside of Molly. The fact that she looked as dishevelled as they were, but not experiencing a lick of what they did is very emotional in every motherly aspect. [12:36] <fawkes28> yes, she would do anything to save her children because she loves them so much [12:36] <futureweasley> yes, like we all needed to fall in love with Molly a little more?! [12:36] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [12:37] <Aislinn> hi gryff [12:37] <Poet> I'm glad that Jo showed us all three of those scenes (Molly taking the items away, Molly feeling bad and fretting, the twins kidding her about it later) [12:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> We needed to see the difference between Molly and others like Petunia or Narcissa [12:37] <Gryffinclaw> hI gUYS [12:37] <Alexk> me too poet [12:37] <Poet> I think it shows they a healthy family [12:37] <Gryffinclaw> Sorry caps [12:37] <futureweasley> What did you think of Percy going to work along with Arthur? Was it necessary? Would it make a difference to Crouch to have the cauldron report handed in early? [12:37] <bemused> It's good that Harry gets to see that family dynamic - what he's used to is so different [12:38] <Gryffinclaw> Nope he was sucking up [12:38] <fawkes28> he was just so proud of himself [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> Percy . . . what - an - idiot. [12:38] <fawkes28> lol [12:38] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [12:38] <Poet> Percy likes working hard. Being at work helps him feel proud and that he's doing his part. [12:38] <Alexk> LOL, i love how Percy makes such a fuss about those cauldrons [12:38] <futureweasley> my favorite line from the series [12:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It would have made absolutely no difference to Crouch whenever Percy handed in the report [12:38] <fawkes28> he needs to feel like he is important [12:38] <Aislinn> no - that report would have been quite low on the priority list, with everything else that was going on [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> Percy wants to be where the action is. The bureaucratic action, anyway. Anyplace that he might be seen. [12:39] <dumbleydore18> I don't think that percy should have gone. I think he should have thought about the situation before galivanting off to Crouch. Arthur had a reason to go to work per y did not [12:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Especially when Crouch had his own troubles [12:39] <Poet> I agree fawkes and Aislinn. It's unimportant, but it's how Percy feels about it - a sense of importance [12:39] <futureweasley> was BCS under the Imperius already at this juncture? If he was, I can guarantee he could have cared less about the cauldron bottom report...period. [12:39] <Aislinn> I don't think he was yet, FW [12:39] <Alexk> well, actually, if percy hadn't turned in that report, perhaps we wouldn't have the Voldemort problem (he was made in a cauldron) [12:39] <Aislinn> although it's not exactly clear when it happened [12:39] <Gryffinclaw> lol Alexk [12:39] <Poet> I agree, he wasn't until Voldermort arrived [12:39] <Gryffinclaw> No [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I'm guessing it was the day before they left for school. [12:40] <Gryffinclaw> It was too soon after the QWC to act then [12:40] <futureweasley> the fact that Crouch still thought Percy was named "Weatherby" is tell-tale...Crouch didn't really think anything of Percy, whereas Percy thought the world of Crouch [12:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No, he wasn't under the Imperius at that stage. But after he removed Winky. [12:40] <bemused> He didn't seem all that clear who Percy was, so he'd probably forgotten the cauldrons as well [12:40] <fawkes28> i bet percy was beaming from ear to ear when he turned them in [12:41] <fawkes28> and BCS just put it under a stack of papers [12:41] <dumbleydore18> after all the hard work percy did on the cauldrons...that would be horrible of Crouch to have forgotten [12:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I've wondered if that is what Percy called himself at first. Wanting to be different from the other Weasleys [12:41] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [12:41] <futureweasley> yep, I'm willing to bet that too, fawkes. Can't you just see him? [12:41] <Poet> Nice image. Here was something that was school like, but for a real job. [12:41] <Alexk> lol fawkes [12:41] <futureweasley> hi emily [12:41] <fawkes28> hello emily [12:41] <Alexk> hi emily [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> Percy is so myopic. Not able to grasp the big picture or what's really important. [12:41] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [12:41] <futureweasley> Why did Hermione dismiss Trelawney’s prophecy? [12:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He's addicted to getting attention [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Um, because it's Trelawney? smile [12:42] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:42] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah in that chapter it shows that Percy values work over family [12:42] <bemused> Has a fairly dim opinion of prophecy - and Trelawney [12:42] <futureweasley> hi cbm [12:42] <fawkes28> she needs facts - not the what ifs [12:42] <Alexk> exactly mrmcg [12:42] <cbm> he everyone [12:42] <cbm> hi [12:42] <fawkes28> hi cbm [12:42] <Gryffinclaw> She wasn't there when the Prophecy was made [12:42] <Aislinn> Hermione is far too practical to believe in anything as woolly as prophesying [12:42] <futureweasley> Hermione is too logically and physically based in reality to see Trelawney as anything more than an old fraud [12:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi cbm [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione shouldn't be so quick to condemn, though. Clearly this prophecy was different than her usual shenanigans. [12:42] <fawkes28> i also think the the image that trelawney is trying to produce bothers hermione because it seems so fake [12:42] <dumbleydore18> that is very interesting to say bemused because Hermione cates about what Harry's prophecy has to say... [12:42] <fawkes28> very true, gryffinclaw [12:42] <dumbleydore18> cares* [12:43] <Aislinn> and in her defense, Trelawney had been making wild predictions for the entire time that Hermione attended that class [12:43] <bemused> Yes, that's true, dumbleydore [12:43] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [12:43] <EmilyVizi> finally made it work.. [12:43] <fawkes28> but in hermione's defense she did stay in class for the majority of her first year [12:43] <Aislinn> hi emily smile [12:43] <futureweasley> Trelawney is very hard to understand...is it divine sight, or hocus-pocus? [12:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> but about whom? Does she see Harry or maybe Tom Riddle? [12:43] <EmilyVizi> hello everyone [12:43] <Poet> Yes, even Trelawney doesn't always seem to take herself seriously. Hard to trust someone like that. [12:44] <bemused> bit of both, I think, future [12:44] <dumbleydore18> Maybe Hermione does not care about Trelawney's predictions about Hermione [12:44] <Aislinn> yes, it's sort of like the tale of the boy who called Wolf [12:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi EmilyVizi [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> I did understand Hermione's reaction, and she does seem to back off when Harry says that this prophecy was different from the usual predicitons. [12:44] <Alexk> yes fawkes, and half the year must've felt long too long for hermione [12:44] <Alexk> *majority [12:44] <Aislinn> when someone is unreliable as much as she is, it is less likely that anyone will believe them when they do get it right [12:44] <futureweasley> Hermione thinks she knows all...has everything figured out (for the most part). It's understandable why she wouldn't take stock in anything that came from Trelawney's mouth [12:44] *** Eeyore has joined #lounge [12:44] <dumbleydore18> Hermione only cares about what other's prophecys are [12:44] <fawkes28> there is no white or black in divination...everything is a shade of grey [12:44] <futureweasley> welcome back eeyore [12:44] <fawkes28> and hermione needs it to be white or black [12:45] <Eeyore> thanks, I locked myself out somehow [12:45] <Alexk> definitely aislinn [12:45] <bemused> She's also influenced by Prof McGonagall and her attitude to Trelawney [12:45] <fawkes28> glad you got back in smile [12:45] <Alexk> i've experienced it myself [12:45] <futureweasley> yes bemused...Hermione is MiniMc [12:45] <EmilyVizi> can anyone tell me at what chapter or point we are talking about [12:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> To a degree. Chs 10 - 12 [12:45] <fawkes28> she admires mcg. and trelawney is the complete opposite [12:46] <Poet> The fact that even if a prophecy is true, we still don't know when and how it will really come to pass. That's possibly too much unpredictability for Hermione [12:46] <futureweasley> here's the next question Emily: [12:46] <futureweasley> Why did Ron minimize Harry’s dream? Do you think he dismissed the pain in Harry’s scar? [12:46] <cbm> I think Hermione's opinion is influenced by the junk methods of her teaching, [12:46] <dumbleydore18> Another thing that I have thought about...Hermione is souly based off of Jo, so maybe this is Jo coming through saying astronomy is wacko, but it gives clue to the story [12:46] <Eeyore> that's exactly it--Hermione wants the facts, thank you very much [12:46] <Gryffinclaw> Ron dismissed it becasue of his fear of LV, living in denial [12:47] <bemused> I agree gryff - I think Ron's initial reaction is fear [12:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not astronomy, astrology. Two different things [12:47] <fawkes28> true, gryff [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think anybody really understands the Harry-Voldemort connection at this point, so it's easy to dismiss something that's "just a dream." [12:47] <Eeyore> prophecy, by it's nature, can't be said to be true until the event happens. makes it a very murky thing [12:47] <futureweasley> right, ignorance is bliss to Ron at this point...he's rather see the sunshine and daisies [12:47] <cbm> good, gryffinclaw, was he in denial much like fudge will be later? [12:47] <Poet> Interesting. I think might have to agree. This is a taste of what is coming. Others will react the same way to Harry in the future. [12:47] <dumbleydore18> thanks wagga I always get those things mixed [12:47] <Alexk> well, as we see in the book and movie, ron starts to really notice his jealousy of harry in the 4th year, perhaps he's tireed of hearing harry this harry that [12:47] <EmilyVizi> ron is a happy fellow he doesnt like thinking of bad thoughts [12:47] <fawkes28> it is hard to believe yet because harry hasn't faced him yet in a few years [12:47] <Gryffinclaw> Defo CBM [12:47] <futureweasley> they are kind of like birds of a feather, cbm [12:47] <Aislinn> I don't know that Ron dismissed it - he looks dumbstruck when Harry first tells him [12:48] <fawkes28> it's hard to believe something if you don't see it [12:48] <futureweasley> except for the fact that Ron stands by Harry, and Fudge turns this back [12:48] <Aislinn> but he doesn't want to believe that LV is really around [12:48] <dumbleydore18> Ron didn't want it to come true that Voldy was coming through and is back...a disbelief in a way [12:48] <Aislinn> a kind of denial [12:48] <fawkes28> yes, future, ron is very loyal [12:48] <futureweasley> denial...big time [12:48] <Eeyore> I've gotta go. hubby wants to go to a movie and we have to leave in 30 minutes. nice to see y'all. [12:48] <Poet> Everything they think they know about the scar seems to contradict Harry feeling scar pain at that time [12:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But like Percy likes to be the centre of attention if he can get away with it. [12:48] <cbm> bye [12:48] <fawkes28> bye eeyore! [12:48] <EmilyVizi> yeah... Ron doesn't wanr to believe that Voldy is back even though he is [12:48] *** Eeyore left #lounge [] [12:48] <Aislinn> bye eeyore [12:48] <Poet> Bye Eey [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Ron can be a bit ostrich-like at times. [12:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bye [12:48] <Alexk> i hope she's seeing happyfeet [12:48] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG..he's slowly but surely growing out of that [12:49] <dumbleydore18> It doesn't show that Ron doesn't care...I believe he does, he just doesn't want bad things to happen [12:49] <cbm> I think the ostrich behavior is typical of all of the wizarding world [12:49] <bemused> I think that's exactly right, dumbleydore [12:49] <Aislinn> I agree dumbleydore [12:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Good point cbm [12:49] <fawkes28> it is still very early on in the series and they are more innocent now than later on [12:49] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and Ron is very much a part of the wizarding world - not Muggle-born like Hermione. [12:49] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [12:49] <NYBookworm> hi [12:49] <Alexk> yes, Harry even goes over what ron might say at privet drive, "You don't suppose Voldemort could be near you...you don't thin,k he would attack you...etc." [12:49] <EmilyVizi> He knows about all things in the wizarding world [12:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi NYB [12:50] <futureweasley> hi NYBookworm [12:50] <Aislinn> hi NYB [12:50] <Poet> Could it mostly be a symptom of those that are pure-bloods. They aren't open as much to things they do not have experiences with? [12:50] <fawkes28> hi nyb [12:50] <Alexk> hi nyb [12:50] <Aislinn> we are talking about Ron's reaction to hearing about Harry's scar hurting near the beginning of GoF [12:50] <Poet> While Hermione is more likely to be more curious and investigative of something like scar pain [12:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> They haven't been taught to face things and call them by their name [12:51] <futureweasley> Moving on to Chapter 11: [12:51] <EmilyVizi> Ron hasn't been hit with any difficulty in his life yet [12:51] <futureweasley> Do you think the Ministry could have come up with a better way to spread messages than through the Floo System? [12:52] <bemused> ...er yes!!! [12:52] <Gryffinclaw> Whats wrong with the Floo System? [12:52] <fawkes28> i don't think it is that bad [12:52] <futureweasley> yes, the Order came up with a better way...surely the ministry could have too [12:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bit grubby [12:52] <cbm> yes, maybe improve the mirror system we see later, they would be like cell phones [12:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> All that ash in the fireplace [12:52] <Poet> They are pretty creative with the owls - it's like mail. The Floo reminds me a little of the Internet. Security will always be a problem [12:52] <fawkes28> i think it was better to use it this time than to use owl post [12:52] <EmilyVizi> but, the floo network can be watched [12:52] <Aislinn> It seems pretty efficient, but yes it is grubby [12:52] <Alexk> it is the quickest way without raising suspicion [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> For heaven's sake, if James and Sirius could come up with two-way mirrors . . . [12:52] <Poet> Cool idea cbm about the mirror [12:52] <futureweasley> anyone can hack into the Floo System...it's really more dangerous than anything. Information can leak [12:52] <bemused> always strikes me as a very messy way to get your toast [12:52] <fawkes28> yes, but at the time, the floo network was safe [12:52] <Alexk> they could apparate to each house, but imagine being squeezed through a tube that many times [12:53] <Gryffinclaw> Two-Way mirrors not (Insert Number of Ministry officials here) way mirrors [12:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Leaflets distributed in HBP. Plain old muggle leaflets [12:53] <fawkes28> yes, i do think they need to start looking into better communication systems [12:53] <futureweasley> Well, they could have used the Chocolate Frog Cards, Patronuses, Coins....anything [12:53] <Poet> Two-way mirrors don't let you leave a permanent record behind though [12:54] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [12:54] <dumbleydore18> I don't think taht the floo network can work in some cases. Think about getting fireplaces mixed up and talking to a muggle instead of a wizard [12:54] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [12:54] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was probably setting the stage for Sirius' head in the fireplace later on. [12:54] <Gryffinclaw> Muggle Fireplaces are offline [12:54] <dumbleydore18> imagine a head popping out of a fireplace in the middle of a muggle dinner [12:54] <futureweasley> does the fireplace let you keep a permanent record? [12:54] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - that is what I think too [12:54] <Gryffinclaw> Mr Weasley siad so in chapter 4 [12:54] <Gryffinclaw> *said* [12:54] <fawkes28> there doesnt seem to be one perfect way of communication yet [12:54] <Aislinn> Jo likes to introduce a concept in just that way [12:54] <futureweasley> Right, the Dursley's was a "one time" thing [12:54] <bemused> Yes, Mr M and Aislinn, I think you're right [12:54] <fawkes28> we even saw tonks' patronus intercepted by snape [12:55] <EmilyVizi> like what john said on one of the PC, what if a muggle tried to use Floo powder? [12:55] <MrMcGonagall> Disaster! [12:55] <Aislinn> I think it would be like using a wand - Jo said that it wouldn't work [12:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Green glitter? That's all it would be [12:55] <futureweasley> What’s your impression of Moody as described by Amos, Bill, and Charlie? [12:55] <dumbleydore18> Haha I can't stop thinking about the head popping out of a muggle fireplace during dinner, can you say...Dursleys? [12:55] <Poet> I don't think it would work - have to say the words - and muggles words aren't magical [12:55] <Gryffinclaw> Pretty similiar to the final model [12:55] <cbm> Slight batty [12:55] <bemused> I s'pose JKR can't give them too perfect a way, it would make her storytelling difficult [12:55] <Aislinn> He sounds quite eccentric [12:55] <cbm> slightly batty [12:55] <Poet> Hmm. I really liked him when I first heard of him [12:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bit paranoid [12:56] <fawkes28> yes, he sounds odd but mysterious too [12:56] <futureweasley> I was a little confused...I thought he was a nutter [12:56] <Poet> I thought that he's the type of person Harry needs as a body guard ;) [12:56] <Aislinn> but I was willing to trust him, as Molly said that Arthur liked him a lot [12:56] <EmilyVizi> i agree with fawkes. very mysterious [12:56] <futureweasley> they had ties to Moody from the original Order, right? [12:56] <EmilyVizi> and then people trust him so he must have a kind heart but the look of danger [12:56] <Poet> yeah [12:56] <fawkes28> yes, i think i thought he was ok because of that too, aislinn [12:56] <Aislinn> yes, or through Dumbledore [12:57] <futureweasley> that means that the Weasleys knew him for a very long time [12:57] <bemused> the very first descriptions of him sound a bit crazy - but Arthur's a good one to rely on [12:57] <fawkes28> arthur is a good judge of character [12:57] <Gryffinclaw> I don'yt know Futur, they were't on the photograph from OotP were they? [12:57] <dumbleydore18> I like CBM's description of slightly batty but add a little of mine and you get an egotistical bat with a moving eye [12:57] <Aislinn> actually, Arthur would have known him from when he was an Auror at the Ministry [12:57] <Gryffinclaw> *Future* [12:57] <Poet> Weasley weren't in the Order the first time, but Dumbledore trusted him [12:57] <EmilyVizi> yeah [12:57] <futureweasley> you're right...if Arthur was on about Moody for good reasons, he was to be trusted...no questions asked [12:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> back soon [12:57] <fawkes28> yes, poet, DD trusted him as well smile [12:57] <NYBookworm> it seemed like he would be experienced interesting guy who would have stories to tell [12:57] <Poet> We've seen that the Aurors are in the same part of the MoM as Arthur, or they are at least in Book 5 [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> It makes Moody sound very intriguing. Like the grumpy old codger sitting on his front porch yelling at the neighbor kids. [12:58] <fawkes28> yes, NYB, he seemed like he would have a lot to share [12:58] <Aislinn> LOL - exactly Mr M [12:58] <Poet> Totally MrMcGonagall [12:58] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [12:58] <futureweasley> it could have been that Arthur knew that DD trusted Moody, so he wasn't going to question that [12:58] <fawkes28> exactly, future [12:58] <futureweasley> What did you think of Charlie teasing the twins with his knowledge of their future meeting? [12:58] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [12:59] <dumbleydore18> No one questions Dumbledore...he is always right [12:59] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:59] <MrMcGonagall> Ah, the banter between siblings! Good-natured teasing. [12:59] <Alexk> haha twins! for once you don't know something smile [12:59] <futureweasley> Well, I knew that Charlie knew something that noone else did [12:59] <Poet> I'm suprised the the old brothers didn't tease even more [12:59] <Gryffinclaw> It was only gentle teasing [12:59] <EmilyVizi> between brothers its that buisness of i know something you dont know [12:59] <fawkes28> yes, charlie, gave us a little excitement [12:59] <futureweasley> I thought that we'd be seeing him again sooner than we did [13:00] <Aislinn> yes it was a totally natural, brotherly kind of thing to do [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> It's so funny to see the twins left out of the loop on something and how it drives them nuts! [13:00] <dumbleydore18> I really liked it because the teasting set the mood for the readers too, that was my impression of charlies teasing, I felt like the twins and wanting to know more and wanting to hit him and throw the book [13:00] <fawkes28> yes, it made us feel comfortable with charlie [13:00] <EmilyVizi> i love fred and george [13:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Back [13:01] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [13:01] <dumbleydore18> sorry guys BRB...remus is biting me foot [13:01] <Alexk> hey ced! [13:01] <futureweasley> Where you surprised to learn of the anti-Muggle protections used for Hogwarts? [13:01] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone! [13:01] <Gryffinclaw> No [13:01] <cbm> no [13:01] <fawkes28> hi ced [13:01] <CedrellaBlack> mah not really [13:01] <futureweasley> actually, I was [13:01] <Aislinn> I thought they made a lot of sense [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> No, I'm rather glad they were there. I always assumed something like that was in place. [13:01] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [13:01] <bemused> why, future? [13:01] <fawkes28> i am glad there was [13:01] <CedrellaBlack> i mean it would be creepy if a muglgle walked into a castle with a lake and giant squid [13:01] <Poet> I thought they were really cool ideas. The thought had never occured to me really. [13:02] <dumbleydore18> back [13:02] <Aislinn> when they have a place that big and with all that magic going on, they need to hide it from the Muggles [13:02] <EmilyVizi> yeah [13:02] <futureweasley> I just assumed that it was so far off the beaten path that there was noone who could ever find it...even if they were looking [13:02] <Poet> That's what I'd imagined originally as well futureweasley [13:02] <EmilyVizi> think of what would happen if a group of muggles entered hogwarts [13:02] <cbm> If it were visible, it would probably become a tourist site [13:02] <Alexk> rather them use muggle protection charms than modifying the muggles' memories [13:02] <bemused> Oh - these Muggles get everywhere! [13:02] <fawkes28> i love how jo uses hermione to give us information like this [13:02] <dumbleydore18> I always expected that the protection was there [13:02] <EmilyVizi> hermione is a brainac [13:03] <EmilyVizi> she knows everything [13:03] <CedrellaBlack> Futurwe i dont think its in an bvious place like the leaky cauldron, i think the protections are there on the off chance that omeone does runn ionto it [13:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Interesting that Charlie clearly knew as much about the Triwizard cup as did Arthur, Percy, Lucius, and even whatever Draco thought he knew [13:03] <dumbleydore18> I mean how can you keep a school as big as hogwarts away from the muggles? [13:03] <bemused> Charlie would know 'cos of the dragons [13:03] <futureweasley> I agree Ced...it just isn't something I had even contemplated [13:04] <CedrellaBlack> Yeah and i think that arthur wouldtell him everything anyways [13:04] <CedrellaBlack> yeah [13:04] <futureweasley> Why do you suppose Augusta Longbottom wouldn't take Neville to the QWC? [13:04] <EmilyVizi> Hmmm... [13:04] <Alexk> yes, hermione is a necessary character, harry and ron would've been transfigured into maps by mcg by now [13:04] <Poet> Maybe she doesn't like crowds and noise much [13:04] <bemused> Probably doesn't like quidditch herself [13:04] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe she thinks neville would cause the collapse of the stadium smile [13:04] <EmilyVizi> do you think that she knew about the death eaters? [13:04] <dumbleydore18> Augusta KNEW of the attacks being a death eater herself once. [13:04] <futureweasley> because she's a sad old bat and she doesn't think that Neville's "worthy" of any kind of happiness [13:04] <Poet> Camping is messy, as are crazed fans [13:05] <fawkes28> she may have thought it was dangerous with all of the wizards there i am sure she would be overhwhelmed [13:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because she isn't into Quidditch herself, and Uncle Algie wasn't around [13:05] <Aislinn> Augusta would see it as frivolous nonsense, and does not seem the kind of grandmother to do things just because her grandson might want to [13:05] *** Buckbeak has joined #lounge [13:05] *** Buckbeak has quit [Bye] [13:05] <futureweasley> hi buckbeak [13:05] <CedrellaBlack> hey buckbeak [13:05] <fawkes28> hi buckbeak [13:05] <EmilyVizi> hey buckbeak [13:05] <dumbleydore18> was augusta a death eater? [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Neville gets too many treats at home. I think Augusta would think of a QWC trip as some sort of reward, but she views her grandson as a medicority. [13:05] <Poet> I think she would have found it boring and a terrible inconvenience [13:05] <CedrellaBlack> no [13:05] <Aislinn> dumbleydore! never [13:05] <cbm> I think she tries to protect neville from the world by shelting him from it and he sffers from it [13:05] <futureweasley> that's exactly right MrMcG [13:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Buckbeak [13:05] <EmilyVizi> does neville have a big interest in quidditch [13:05] <bemused> Can't you just imagine her int he stands, with her vulture hat! [13:05] <fawkes28> i agree, cbm [13:05] <Poet> She had a son as an auror and she was proud of him [13:06] <CedrellaBlack> I agree MrMcG [13:06] *** Buckbeak has joined #lounge [13:06] <fawkes28> i dont think she wants him to be too influenced by others [13:06] <futureweasley> she is the queen bee shelterer...I'm surprised that she even let Neville go to Hogwarts in the first place [13:06] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No Augusta would never be a DE. Too proud of her son Order of Phoenix member [13:06] <fawkes28> me too, future [13:06] <Aislinn> I don't see here as overprotective - she wants him to step up and prove himself [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> She strikes me as the sort of grandmother who believes in a strict, no-frills kind of upbringing. I think there is a strong protective vibe, too, because of what happened to her son and daughter-in-law. [13:06] <Alexk> yes future [13:06] <EmilyVizi> why wouldnt she let him [13:06] <dumbleydore18> Deep deep deep deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep down insdie she fears for her grandson's safety and she someone knew of the attacks and didn't want Neville there [13:06] <EmilyVizi> she wants him to be strtong like his dad [13:06] <Aislinn> she is prouder of him after he risks his life at the Minsitry than she had ever been up to that point [13:07] <Poet> The vulture hat has some ties to Egyptian mythology - it's not necessarily a sign of something bad [13:07] <Alexk> i agree mrmcg [13:07] <futureweasley> I think she is quite ashamed of his inability to do thinks she sees as "ordinary magic". She is the type that would be embarassed to have her grandson in an arena where there are better wizards out there [13:07] <fawkes28> i think she just wants to protect neville and doesn't want anything to happen to him like his parents [13:07] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and the reward of a brand-new, personalized wand for Neville. [13:07] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn...I agree [13:07] <Aislinn> I don't see her that way at all fawkes [13:07] <futureweasley> and that's an excellent point MrMcG [13:07] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Has too many expectations of Neville and too little input into his well being [13:07] <bemused> Not bad, Poet - after the Snape boggart scene the vulture hat seems more like a joke [13:07] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, he needed one anyway, but at least she didn't make him Spello-tape his dad's wand. This post has been edited by Poet: Nov 25 2006, 04:21 PM |
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[13:08] <Aislinn> I'm sure she doesn't want anything to happen to him, but she wants him to be a Gryffindor she can be proud of, and that means taking risks
[13:08] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG...I could see her doing that!! [13:08] <fawkes28> do you think she would want him to fight for the order, aislinn? [13:08] <Poet> The Lovegoods also didn't attend the QWC. Not attending does not mean anyone knew of the attack. The attacks weren't pre-planned. [13:08] <futureweasley> What do you think of Draco's behavior here? [13:08] <dumbleydore18> why is it that people have to be proud of one another after they do something crazy like a stunt or be close to death? [13:08] <CedrellaBlack> I could see her fdoing that if neville hadnt broken his wand doing something honorable [13:08] <EmilyVizi> draco is just stuck up that is al [13:08] <cbm> If they were not preplanned, why did they bring their masks to the cup? [13:08] <EmilyVizi> all* [13:09] <CedrellaBlack> had* [13:09] <futureweasley> here come the Draco/Hermione shippers [13:09] <futureweasley> lol [13:09] <cbm> Draco was being his normal git self [13:09] <MrMcGonagall> Draco . . . smarmy git. [13:09] <futureweasley> I think that, contrary to popular believe, this showed that Draco actually has a conscience [13:09] <Aislinn> sorry - what "here" are we talking about? [13:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think he likes bugging Ron [13:09] <dumbleydore18> future, what about dracos behavior? its been a while [13:09] <EmilyVizi> he just wants to say he is the best [13:09] <Poet> I dont think Draco was really thinking about what he was saying. He was just mouthing off in my opinion. [13:10] <bemused> I'm confused, what about Draco? [13:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Unfortunate he saw those horrible dress robes [13:10] <Poet> Draco was telling Hermione that she could be a victim of muggle attacks too if she wasn't careful. [13:11] <Poet> I think he was trying to show off and scare her - playing the bully he was, I think. [13:11] <CedrellaBlack> but se isnt a mggle...shes a muggle born. I cant stand him! [13:11] <futureweasley> I was confused about which part of the story we were at with that question, so I'm going to ask another [13:11] <CedrellaBlack> she* [13:11] <cbm> Draco was being everything he father wants and trained him to be [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> Draco always wants to seem like he's in-the-know on everything, when we know that his father doesn't think that much of him. Draco just flaunts the tidbits of knowledge he picks up. [13:11] <futureweasley> Were you surprised to learn of a wizarding school which actively teaches the Dark Arts? [13:12] <Alexk> he's trying to build his self-esteem up again after that good slap from hermione the year before [13:12] <CedrellaBlack> nah not really [13:12] <futureweasley> actually, again, I was [13:12] <bemused> Yes, future, I was [13:12] <Poet> I was surprised at first [13:12] <EmilyVizi> no its something they need to know [13:12] <cbm> yes [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> Not wholly surprised, though I find it appalling. [13:12] <fawkes28> i was surprised to learn about other schools in general because i had never really thought about it [13:12] <dumbleydore18> why would there be a school that emphasized the dark arts? The wizarding world is trying to get rid of dark wizards why influence a whole school on it? [13:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> With a former DE at its head, too. [13:12] <Aislinn> given how negatively they have been presented, it was surprising that a school would represent such different values [13:13] <futureweasley> Durmstrang is the type of place I wish that Lucius HAD sent Draco [13:13] <CedrellaBlack> I think hogwarts focuses on the opposite, on te defense against the dark arts, so I always wondered if Beauzbatons focused on something [13:13] <bemused> It seems so alien to what they'd want their kids to be doing [13:13] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:13] <Poet> I was surprised, because everyone who comes out of that school would have that negative bias immediately haging over their head. [13:13] <futureweasley> Draco might have been knocked down a few pegs [13:13] <CedrellaBlack> The fact that karkaroff was the head of the school did disgust me though [13:13] <futureweasley> I'm sure his "cruciatius" isn't nearly as good as Krums [13:13] <Poet> The fact that they can do stuff that is illegal in the UK. [13:13] <JaneMarple9> w00t2 hi all! [13:13] <EmilyVizi> how different would the story be if draco and his family werent in it [13:13] <CedrellaBlack> hey jane [13:13] <fawkes28> hi jane [13:13] <futureweasley> hi Jane [13:13] <dumbleydore18> hi [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [13:13] <Alexk> hi jane [13:13] <EmilyVizi> hey jane [13:13] <bemused> hello Jane [13:13] <CedrellaBlack> agreed poet [13:13] <Buckbeak> sup [13:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> HI jane marple! smile [13:14] <dumbleydore18> rainbow colors lol [13:14] <futureweasley> the illegality of it all is quite disturbing to me [13:14] <fawkes28> i wonder if that school always was so involved in the dark arts or if it had been that way within the last 5o years or so [13:14] <CedrellaBlack> Ithink it may have been always [13:15] <Aislinn> it shows a disturbing set of values that are being taught to an entire student body [13:15] <futureweasley> Why would Narcissa want Draco “closer” to home? If she can apparate at will, does it matter which school he attends? [13:15] <JaneMarple9> so whats the question? [13:15] <CedrellaBlack> BTW sorry for all the typos I'm not at home and this keyboard is dreadful [13:15] <Alexk> well, yes, you can't apparate into hogwarts [13:15] <futureweasley> I don't think that Narcissa is sold on the whole "dark arts" thing as it is. I think it was a good excuse to keep Draco at Hogwarts [13:15] <bemused> Maybe you can't apparate into Durmstrang, either [13:15] <Poet> Some things can't travel by apparation. She likes to send owls with treats for instance. [13:15] <CedrellaBlack> But youo can apparate to the entrance alex [13:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Only since Karkaroff became head. Good point. Maybe Narcissa preferred a less 'masculine' school [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's odd because it's not as though we ever see Narcissa even visit Hogwarts, though Lucius does a number of times. [13:16] <Poet> futureweasley - I too thought that perhaps it was a bit of an excuse [13:16] <EmilyVizi> LV stuff hince so he can be 'closer' to home [13:16] <bemused> It's time I went, bye everyone! [13:16] <Poet> bye [13:16] <futureweasley> I don't see where Narcissa is a big supporter of Lord Voldemort. [13:16] <fawkes28> yes, that it true mr. m [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, bemused! [13:16] <fawkes28> bye bemused [13:16] <JaneMarple9> bye bemused smile [13:16] <Aislinn> I think there are limitations to apparition, and it was probably more a question of feeling that he was somewhere safer [13:16] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:16] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Maybe she preferred Draco under Lucius' eye [13:16] <CedrellaBlack> agreed future, and also as we see in HBP shes willing to go againt LV so whe know shes not completely convinced [13:16] <cbm> I think that Narcissa loves Draco, and that is the only thing he has going for him, I do not think she want to be a DE, so she sent him to Hogwarts. [13:16] <Alexk> Narcissa is busy knitting clothes and watching HSN [13:16] <futureweasley> it's also possible that Narcissa doesn't have an Apparition License [13:16] <Aislinn> oh, I think narcissa holds the same views as her husband FW [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> I think she knows that life at Durmstrang is somewhat harsher, to judge by Krum's description of it. [13:17] <Aislinn> doesn't she apparate in HBP? [13:17] <JaneMarple9> Narcissa is influenced by her husband [13:17] <fawkes28> i think to some degree she trusts DD more than karakoff [13:17] <Poet> cbm - I agree that some of her blackness may not be as black as her husband [13:17] <CedrellaBlack> Idk Ais, She is deff softer than Lucius but she is willing to go against him for her son [13:17] <futureweasley> I'm not wholly convinced of that, Aislinn. But,, this is one of those areas where I choose to reserve my final opinion until we see more [13:17] <Aislinn> at least trusts him to treat the kids better [13:17] <fawkes28> yes [13:18] <JaneMarple9> She seems to have a lot of respect for Snape too [13:18] <Aislinn> I think she was scared for him in HBP, but that doesn't mean that she is anything other than the bigoted snob that her husband is [13:18] <futureweasley> OK guys, on to Chapter 12: [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> She dotes on her son, and I think she didn't want him in a cold, remote, harsh environment like Durmstrang. [13:18] <futureweasley> Hermione tells us not all siblings end up in the same House. Why not? [13:18] <EmilyVizi> in many ways does she respect Snape [13:18] <dumbleydore18> I think taht the fact that narcissa wants her son so close adds a little of a homely feeling. She cares a lot about Draco, even though he is a git, she still cares about her son, I mean what mother wouldn't? [13:18] <Poet> Hogwarts may be a more well-rounded school, and perhaps easier to find a job post-school because of the networking one does while in school. [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> Every person, even with twins, are unique. [13:18] <cbm> I agree she is a bigoted snob, but how far is she willing to go in support of it [13:18] <JaneMarple9> agreed Mr McG [13:18] <fawkes28> because siblings can be very different just like me and my brother [13:18] <EmilyVizi> Mr.M got it right on the spot [13:18] <Alexk> Sirius=Gryffindor-rest of family=slytherin [13:19] <EmilyVizi> yep [13:19] <CedrellaBlack> Well just because people look alike that doesnt mean they are alike [13:19] <Poet> The sorting hat knows where it has put all of the students, so it knows where it put one sibling, but it has a duty to place according to what the founders would have liked [13:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> some siblings talented some not [13:19] <Aislinn> this was another area where I think Jo was mainly setting up the fact that Parvati had a sister, for the later purposes of having her as a date for Ron to the ball [13:19] <JaneMarple9> And every member of the Weasley family has different qualities which deserve Gryffindor [13:19] <EmilyVizi> but then you have Fred and George who are 2 peas in a pod [13:19] * cbm is being killed by the lag, brb [13:19] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:19] <JaneMarple9> Petunia and Lily is a great example there WWW [13:20] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:20] <futureweasley> well, you would think that influences of ones family would most affect what house a child (age 11-12 upon entrance) is sorted into [13:20] <fawkes28> i think she is also trying to show us that it doesn't matter how you grow up, it is our choices that matter [13:20] <CedrellaBlack> brb [13:20] <futureweasley> to me, it would make sense that most family members were in the same house [13:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Even Fred and George have differences, even if slight [13:20] <Poet> Ah, yes fawkes [13:20] <Alexk> obviously not for sirius [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> There are a lot of factors that may come into play. It's not surprising that siblings would land in the same house, but it's not all that surprising that they wouldn't, either. [13:20] <EmilyVizi> and the hat might tell them they should be in slytherin but then they think they are strong like gryffindor [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know that my brother and I, though close in age, would land in the same house. [13:20] <futureweasley> to me, it would seem an oddity that family members don't end up together [13:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Some twins separated like Parvati and Padma. Deliberately [13:21] <Buckbeak> That was what I was gonna say, lol [13:21] <fawkes28> i agree, mr. m, my brother and i would probably end up in different houses [13:21] * futureweasley has no siblings, therefore is likely vastly underqualified to comment [13:21] <Aislinn> I think that siblings can be very different from one another [13:21] <fawkes28> hug [13:21] <EmilyVizi> I don't know about my brother and I [13:21] <Poet> I come from a large family. I am like one of my siblings, but not the others [13:21] <Aislinn> it's actually more surprising that as many end up in the same House as do [13:21] <Alexk> it's okay, we'll be your siblings,lol [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think that sometimes siblings deliberately want to take a different path to distinguish themselves. [13:22] <dumbleydore18> Well the houses don't sort you by what a person is like at the sorting, but rather what the person will be like in later years. The sorting has has senses beyond Trelawneys ability. It knew that Sirius's family were bad, so into slytherin they went. With Sirius though he turned out to be a true Gryffindor. [13:22] <Alexk> yes mrmcg, like percy [13:22] <JaneMarple9> yes that was strange [13:22] <CedrellaBlack> Well if your whlle family has one mindset and you have a complete diff one (sirius) is it so anormal for him to be in gryff? [13:22] <futureweasley> Hermione tells us not all siblings end up in the same House. Why not? [13:22] <futureweasley> oops [13:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Oh sorry, better go. sad [13:22] <JaneMarple9> I wonder why Percy went in Gryffindor? [13:22] <Aislinn> bye wagga [13:22] <fawkes28> bye wagga [13:22] <futureweasley> take two [13:22] <futureweasley> How do you suppose the founders put “brains” into the Sorting Hat so it could do its job? Whose brains? [13:22] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [13:22] *** halfakneazle has joined #lounge [13:22] <CedrellaBlack> He is against the dark arts [13:23] <fawkes28> this is why the brain room fascinates me [13:23] <CedrellaBlack> hmm [13:23] <halfakneazle> im back...my compy doesn't like these chat rooms very much. [13:23] <CedrellaBlack> I hs never thought of this [13:23] <Aislinn> it seems as if it was a blend of all of their brains, so that it would be able to follow all of their wishes [13:23] <futureweasley> well, it's a bit of all the founders, right? [13:23] <EmilyVizi> When I first read that I though they actually took their brain out [13:23] <cbm> It is has the wisdom of all 4 founders according to JKR [13:23] <CedrellaBlack> but it is gryffindors hat [13:23] <Poet> Maybe its a bit like the penseive, with memories of each of the founders chose various students while still alive [13:23] <dumbleydore18> a little of the 4 founders [13:23] <JaneMarple9> no idea with that question [13:23] <CedrellaBlack> mayube his brains? [13:23] <fawkes28> yes, poet, good idea [13:23] <Aislinn> it was just a hat, though, ced, until they enchanted [13:23] <EmilyVizi> how do we know it is gryffindors hat? [13:23] <CedrellaBlack> Te hat said it in one of his songs [13:23] <Poet> The sorting hat song [13:24] <fawkes28> i wonder if taking a piece of them hurt them in any way [13:24] <dumbleydore18> I am down to one conclusion about the tough to answer questions....we will find out in book 7 lol! [13:24] <Aislinn> we are told that it is his emily [13:24] <futureweasley> maybe it's Gryf, Rav and Huff...and all the loser left-overs go to Slytherin (case in point: Snape and Draco) [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> That does fascinate me, fw. I think the founders sort of bestowed their ability to recognize certain gifts they valued in students. [13:24] <futureweasley> lol [13:24] <JaneMarple9> I think Dumble said so and the hat said so too [13:24] <Alexk> i think the hat is charmed to be a guide [13:24] <CedrellaBlack> lol furute [13:24] <Alexk> just a guide [13:24] <CedrellaBlack> future* [13:24] <EmilyVizi> i love the sorting hat song [13:24] <halfakneazle> as do I emily [13:24] <Alexk> not meant to sway your house choice [13:24] <Poet> The hat reminds me little of the paintings of the heads of hogwarts [13:25] <futureweasley> I know that, when I read some things that happen to a student, I wonder how they got into the house they are in [13:25] <CedrellaBlack> interesting poet [13:25] <dumbleydore18> Poet, very interesting, why do you say so? [13:25] <JaneMarple9> nice comparision, yeah it is a little [13:25] <fawkes28> it was a very good idea but i wonder if taking a small piece of theri brain affected them in any way like slytherin for example [13:25] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:25] <halfakneazle> lol fawkes [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's almost like the Hat is a portrait of the founders that you can wear on your head. [13:25] <JaneMarple9> I wonder if the Sorting Hat will help Harry in the future? [13:25] <Poet> Because the hat is sincere and says things that the founders themselves might have said, but it's not as deep as them [13:26] <futureweasley> Ron and Neville are the biggest questions. How did the hat decide they were both "courageous" when, in the younger years, they both had more nerves than courage? [13:26] <Buckbeak> It could have seen something happen in the future [13:26] <futureweasley> JKR says the hat never sorts wrong [13:26] <Poet> The hat's abilities remind me of occlumency [13:26] <fawkes28> i think it has more to do with their soul [13:26] <Buckbeak> Mabey [13:26] <CedrellaBlack> Ron shows it in POA in the WW [13:26] <fawkes28> and who they are deep inside of them [13:26] <halfakneazle> I think that being nervous doesn't mean a person is cowardly... [13:26] <dumbleydore18> the hats ability foresees how the people will be in the future, not the present (at the sorting) [13:26] <futureweasley> The Sorting Hat says it’s never been wrong. Do you think that’s true, how would the hat know? [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think the hat reads potential more than anything. [13:27] <Alexk> maybe it never sorts wrong because for the moments you're wearing the hat or talking to it, it becomes your own mind [13:27] <JaneMarple9> I would have said the hat might have put Hermione in Ravenclaw, with her brains [13:27] <CedrellaBlack> and Neville has proved himself courageous plenty of times [13:27] <JaneMarple9> he has [13:27] <Poet> I don't think it can predict their future, just sees their current abilities and choices and uses that as a guide - in my opinion [13:27] <CedrellaBlack> hmm becuase hes never wrong smile [13:27] <Aislinn> Jo has said that it is true [13:27] <futureweasley> that's interesting MrMcG...potential over actual ability?! [13:27] <halfakneazle> I think it is true cause jo said it [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with Poet. [13:27] <Poet> Yeah halfakneazle - I agree - 'cause Jo said it. smile [13:27] <Aislinn> I agree Poet [13:28] <fawkes28> yes, i agree [13:28] <futureweasley> yes Poet, that seems to be my thinking as well [13:28] <CedrellaBlack> Then why does the hat say Harry Would be good in Slytherin poet? [13:28] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:28] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:28] <Buckbeak> Mabey becuase of his power [13:28] <cbm> I am still waiting to see Percy's bravory biggrin [13:28] <Aislinn> because people are complex ced [13:28] <Poet> It can see that Harry has a connection to Voldemort - he gave Harry some of his power [13:28] <futureweasley> Were you surprised to learn there were house-elves at Hogwarts? [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Our abilities are part of our potential. I think the Hat tries to sort according to which House will best help a person realize their potential and develop theeir abilities to the fullest. [13:28] <Poet> I think it was meant as a clue to us [13:28] <CedrellaBlack> I guess [13:28] <JaneMarple9> Harry would be powerful whichever house he went in [13:28] <cbm> I think that Hermione would of done well in Ravenclaw also [13:28] <JaneMarple9> Not really [13:28] <CedrellaBlack> I was and wasnt [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not surprised at the house-elves at all. [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> It explains an awful lot. [13:29] <cbm> no [13:29] <futureweasley> Houseelves at hogwarts...how else does anything get done? [13:29] <JaneMarple9> I was hoping Dobby would reappear when I first read it [13:29] <Poet> I had assumed the castle was doing things all-magically, but having house-elves participating was a very cool idea on Jo's part I think [13:29] <Aislinn> it makes sense that they are there, but it was not something I had thought about [13:29] <Alexk> i was shocked because i never had wondered before that point how hogwarts stayed clean [13:29] <CedrellaBlack> I knew there had to be something helping at hogwarts but I wasnt sure what [13:29] <halfakneazle> Well, I hadn't considered it before, but it made so much sense that I wasn't surprised. [13:29] <Buckbeak> Eventhough Hermione is a genious, she needed to be in Gryfindor, because of her valor, and how she handles situations! [13:29] <fawkes28> that's what i thought too, poet [13:29] <futureweasley> the food issue alone would be a HUGE undertaking without them! [13:29] <Poet> Yeah, I'd never thought about it either Alexk [13:29] <CedrellaBlack> Especially at the yule all [13:29] <CedrellaBlack> ball* [13:29] <JaneMarple9> agreed Future [13:30] <NYBookworm> I was surprised, I had previously thought the food just "magically appears pre made that way etc. [13:30] <fawkes28> i was mad at first like hermione but once we had time to learn more about house-elves and how DD treated them, i was fine with it [13:30] <Poet> Of course pre-book 4 I just assumed that it was Jo's world and there was a lot we wouldn't have answers to. I'm glad that's not the case. [13:30] <futureweasley> look at what Molly does to feed the Weasleys...multiply that by about 50 and you have too much work for the average wizards! and 3 squares a day...plus tea?! [13:30] <JaneMarple9> I don't know how I thought all the food was prepared [13:31] <futureweasley> that's a lot of time in the kitchen [13:31] <CedrellaBlack> He was willing to pa them if they wanteed it, so i have no prblem with tem being there [13:31] <CedrellaBlack> pay* [13:31] <Buckbeak> Why would Hermione get mad at AD, she knows he wouldn't be cruel and unjust to the house elves [13:31] <JaneMarple9> perhaps I thought the four house ghosts prepared it all [13:31] <fawkes28> yes, ced [13:31] <cbm> I also like how JKR has given each of the House elves such distinct personalities [13:31] <dumbleydore18> the fact that there being house elves at hogwarts answered my question about "where all the food came from" but nothing more. [13:31] <CedrellaBlack> me too cbm [13:31] <halfakneazle> me too cbm. it's like they're people [13:31] <futureweasley> yes cbm...they do have very unique attributes [13:31] <JaneMarple9> yes Winky is the total opposite of Dobby [13:31] <Buckbeak> Well, Dobby could use some ridlin. [13:31] <fawkes28> yes they are like people [13:31] <halfakneazle> haha [13:32] <CedrellaBlack> ahahaa lol [13:32] <EmilyVizi> rofl [13:32] <Buckbeak> :-p [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> I found myself wondering if Jo when she was younger had that same sort of fiery sense of justice like Hermione. [13:32] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:32] <fawkes28> she does say she is a lot like hermione [13:32] <Alexk> you could as easily assume that the food was made by wizards then house-elves, wizards can just conjure food out of their wands, so you could also imagine that awizard as powerful as dd could conjure a feast for thousands of students [13:32] <JaneMarple9> ridlin??? [13:32] <futureweasley> I thin she did, MrMcG [13:32] <halfakneazle> it's an ADD medication Jane [13:32] <Aislinn> she has said that she did, Mr M, and that Hermione is a bit like her when she was younger [13:32] <Buckbeak> Calms you down if you are hyperactive [13:32] <JaneMarple9> ah thank you [13:33] <futureweasley> she worked for Amnesty International, and I think that she has a very strong POV about injustice [13:33] <futureweasley> If there are that many house-elves at Hogwarts, then what do we need with Filch and his mange cat? [13:33] <Buckbeak> I think AB just took pity on him [13:33] <Alexk> security [13:33] <fawkes28> i think DD wantd to give him a place to work [13:33] <JaneMarple9> to keep a Squib in a job smile [13:33] <EmilyVizi> Filch is just their to catch the theives [13:33] <Aislinn> they are there more to keep the students in line [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD permits Filch to work at Hogwarts because, as a squib, there's not much else Filch can do. [13:33] <Alexk> we don't need filch, dd hired him out of pity [13:33] <halfakneazle> I think that DD lets him stay as more of a favor to him. He's not really neccessary. [13:33] <futureweasley> I think DD keeps Filch for the same reason he keeps Trelawney...he sees them as individuals who have nowhere else to go [13:34] <EmilyVizi> I feel sorry for filch [13:34] <halfakneazle> me too [13:34] <JaneMarple9> to keep the students under control? [13:34] <Aislinn> yes, I agree FW [13:34] <Alexk> yes future [13:34] <dumbleydore18> the houseleves take care of the cleanliness while Argus (the watcher, of ancient Greece) watches the grounds [13:34] <JaneMarple9> sometimes I do [13:34] <Poet> I think so too. Plus the house elves aren't supposed to be seen and Filch is a good day-time rule enforcer biggrin [13:34] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [13:34] <dumbleydore18> "rule enforcer" lol [13:34] <fawkes28> hi islwyn [13:34] <Alexk> hi islwyn [13:34] <JaneMarple9> yeah in history Argos was turned into a peacock...he had 100 eyes [13:34] <futureweasley> hi Islwyn [13:34] <JaneMarple9> hi the Islwyn [13:34] <Islwyn13> Hi, sorry, I'm late...I'll just be a fly on the wall, and not disrupt smile [13:35] <Poet> It's awesome that Albus Dumbledore lets him participate non-magically at the school. [13:35] <fawkes28> that DD is so kind [13:35] <halfakneazle> yes poet, he's very kind to non-magical folk [13:35] *** pottercastcrazy has joined #lounge [13:35] <dumbleydore18> awwww [13:35] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:35] <futureweasley> we are wondering currently why Hogwarts needs Filch if they have so many houseelves!! [13:35] <Poet> Filch is pre-Dumbledore obviously. [13:35] <futureweasley> do you think so, Poet? [13:35] <halfakneazle> really? [13:35] <JaneMarple9> Dumbledore is so magical and human too [13:35] <Buckbeak> I don't think so, AB is really really really old [13:36] <CedrellaBlack> House Eles cant contro l students, not that filch really can, but hes better at it [13:36] <Poet> He used to hang kids with shackles from the ceilings [13:36] <futureweasley> I see Filch as much younger than DD, therefore likely hired under his administration [13:36] <cbm> I think that filch is there it interact with the students as the elves don't [13:36] <Poet> I meant he's been there since before DD was head master [13:36] <JaneMarple9> I would have said DD hired Filch after he became Headmaster myself [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think he may pre-date DD's term as headmaster, but he hasn't been at the school itself longer than DD. [13:36] *** pottercastcrazy has quit [Bye] [13:36] <Poet> so DD didn't hire him, but I wonder who did [13:37] <dumbleydore18> Well who's to say that squibs can't like unnaturally long lives? lol [13:37] <JaneMarple9> is it possible that Filch attended Hogwarts in his youth? [13:37] *** pottercastcrazy has joined #lounge [13:37] <EmilyVizi> squib [13:37] <dumbleydore18> *live [13:37] <JaneMarple9> even if he was a squib [13:37] <Poet> No, he's not magical [13:37] <futureweasley> Squibby [13:37] <futureweasley> Why would Hermione think the Hogwarts’ house-elves would get employment benefits? [13:37] <Islwyn13> they don't accept squibs, I dont' think [13:37] <fawkes28> but even if DD didn't hire hi, he could have still recommended him for the position [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> If he's a squib, no. [13:37] <Alexk> filch is obviously a squib who wants to be as involved in magic as he can(kwikspell), i think he would work anywhere where he felt magically important, and dd was the only one who would hire him [13:37] <Islwyn13> how cuold they do the coursework? [13:37] <dumbleydore18> hahaha future....squibby [13:37] <CedrellaBlack> becuzse its what she wants to belive [13:37] *** pottercastcrazy has quit [Bye] [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think Hermione is applying a Muggle sense of worker's rights [13:38] <fawkes28> because she feels like they have rights just like people [13:38] <Aislinn> I think she would believe that, as she views DD as a good person who would treat them the way that she thinks they should be treated [13:38] <JaneMarple9> Hermione always supports the underdog [13:38] <dumbleydore18> good point Jane [13:38] <fawkes28> and they are not educated, which touches a nerve with her...she is trying to look out for them [13:38] <halfakneazle> hermy doesn't really comprehend how house elves think. [13:38] <Islwyn13> Hogwarts is a place of justice and fairness, I think she expected that to be in all catagories [13:38] <Buckbeak> They do, but where would all those elves go if they weren't at HW? [13:38] <futureweasley> yes, it seems that Hermione has a very strong sense of what should and should not be. She is extremely opinionated in all other aspects...why not here? [13:38] <JaneMarple9> thats a good possibility too Mr McG [13:39] <fawkes28> it is as if he perfect world of hogwarts was shattered and that is hard to recover from [13:39] <fawkes28> *her [13:39] <Islwyn13> testing [13:39] <JaneMarple9> agreed fawkes [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think the main reason for the SPEW plotline was to develop Hermione's character a bit. [13:39] <futureweasley> yes, MrMcG, because she didn't grow up in the Wizarding culture...she doesn't know their "traditions" [13:39] <JaneMarple9> 10/10 islwyn smile [13:39] *** amyluhu has joined #lounge [13:39] <Islwyn13> she feels slavery is unjust, so Hogwarts wouldn't condone or participate in it, right? ;) [13:39] <EmilyVizi> :) Spew is just Hermiones thing [13:39] <Poet> This is an important lesson for Hemrione to learn, that not all sentient beings are like Muggles and Wizards. [13:39] <Buckbeak> I don't think that the elves are inslaved [13:39] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m she is growing up and learning who she is [13:40] <Aislinn> right, islwyn [13:40] <futureweasley> she needed to be defined as a strong heroine, and not just as the "girl" in the trio [13:40] <Buckbeak> enslaved* [13:40] <Islwyn13> how can you not think they're inslaved? [13:40] <halfakneazle> agreed poet [13:40] <JaneMarple9> Spew for me was a book filler [13:40] <Islwyn13> enslaved, sorry [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> She's very Gryffin-Muggle about the whole thing. [13:40] <Poet> Hermione trips up again later when trying to interact with centaurs [13:40] <Islwyn13> same typo smile [13:40] <EmilyVizi> dobby wanted to go to hogwarts [13:40] <JaneMarple9> to introduce Dobby again [13:40] <Buckbeak> Well, if they were enslaved, they would be treated cruely [13:40] <EmilyVizi> dobby [13:40] <EmilyVizi> i love dobby [13:40] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron trying to tempt Hermione with food? [13:40] <fawkes28> also it shows us that she stands up for what she believes in so we know how loyal she is to harry [13:40] <Islwyn13> not necessarily, Buckbeak [13:40] <JaneMarple9> just tormenting her [13:40] <CedrellaBlack> I thought it was sweet [13:40] <Islwyn13> slavery is the removal of personal rights, but doesn't necessarily include mistreatment [13:41] <CedrellaBlack> in a way [13:41] <JaneMarple9> it shows that he likes her deep down [13:41] * MrMcGonagall ses anvils dropping from the sky. [13:41] <Aislinn> it was quite in character for him - he thinks she is being silly, so he is trying to snap her out of it [13:41] <Buckbeak> But they still have rights [13:41] <EmilyVizi> Hermione and Ron are just meantt to be [13:41] <halfakneazle> lol McG [13:41] <CedrellaBlack> becuase he ried to make it look like he didnt care but he didnt want her to be hungry [13:41] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:41] <futureweasley> I thought it was typical of their relationship. She was sullen, and he was teasing her. Very funny, and very big hint [13:41] <Poet> I thought it was quite humorous [13:41] <Buckbeak> Ron and Hermione Forever! [13:41] <fawkes28> hi hf smile [13:41] <JaneMarple9> hi harryfreak [13:41] <Islwyn13> agreed, Aislinn [13:41] <CedrellaBlack> hey hf! [13:41] <Islwyn13> Heya, hf smile [13:41] <JaneMarple9> harry and ginny forever smile [13:41] <Buckbeak> OH yeah [13:41] <harryfreak359> hi everyone! [13:41] <Aislinn> hi harryfreak smile [13:41] <cbm> agreed Aislinn [13:41] <dumbleydore18> I think Ron represents, at the situation, all the people that push others for standing up for what they believe it. By tormenting hermione he was showing her that SPEW was stupid, something she believed it [13:41] <Alexk> he thinks he's teasing, hermione was probably disgusted, and that's why she went to krummy for comfort [13:41] <halfakneazle> hiya [13:41] <amyluhu> Ron thought she was being silly. Ron really thinks the house elves like their work. [13:42] <futureweasley> and where, might I ask, have you been young lady?! [13:42] <Alexk> hey hf! [13:42] <harryfreak359> Just got back from my camping trip...Or I would have been here earlier/ [13:42] <Poet> And later when Hermione eats again, it helps us as an audience ask why, and allows the SPEW storyline to start [13:42] <CedrellaBlack> tsk tsk [13:42] <JaneMarple9> you're here now smile [13:42] <fawkes28> i don't think he was being mean, i just think he was getting her to see reason and did it through humor [13:42] <Buckbeak> Sorry all, but I have to go! [13:42] <harryfreak359> what is the current question? [13:42] <Poet> bye [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Usually, it's kind of gross watching Ron eat. Maybe Hermione wasn't tempted. biggrin [13:42] <amyluhu> agree fawkes [13:42] <Aislinn> I agree fawkes [13:42] <CedrellaBlack> bye buckbeak [13:42] *** Buckbeak has quit [Bye] [13:43] <Alexk> bye buckbeak [13:43] <EmilyVizi> only like 20mins left sad [13:43] <cbm> I think that House elves do like their work and it is the masters that they have problems with [13:43] <JaneMarple9> :( [13:43] <futureweasley> I love Ron/Hermione's relationship at times. When she was going to starve herself, and Ron waves food in her face, I died. They are so funny [13:43] <CedrellaBlack> lol future [13:43] <Alexk> i agree fawkes [13:43] <harryfreak359> lol yes, [13:43] <halfakneazle> they're like an old married couple [13:43] <CedrellaBlack> its cute [13:43] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:43] <EmilyVizi> they act like bro and sis sometimes [13:43] <JaneMarple9> agreed kneazle [13:43] <futureweasley> What were your thoughts as to no Quidditch in GoF? [13:44] <Alexk> i hope not emily! that would be pretty strange [13:44] <halfakneazle> *tear* [13:44] <JaneMarple9> I wasn't bothered [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we had the QWC - that was enough for me. [13:44] <CedrellaBlack> It was understandable but it was sad too [13:44] <Islwyn13> At first, I was mortified for Harry and the other players [13:44] <amyluhu> sad [13:44] <fawkes28> i was a little disappointed [13:44] <dumbleydore18> my first reaction of no quidditch was that of Oliver Wood's"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!" [13:44] <EmilyVizi> JKR just doesnt like quidditch [13:44] <Islwyn13> Harry sees that as a respite a lot of the time... [13:44] <halfakneazle> I missed it, but I understand why it wasn't there [13:44] <fawkes28> i always like the quidditch because i enjoy sports [13:44] <cbm> sad at first [13:44] <Aislinn> it was a little disappointing,but made sense in the storyline [13:44] <futureweasley> right, I think Quidditch is a little much after a while. Surprise!! Harry got the snitch [13:44] <Islwyn13> hehe [13:44] <fawkes28> yes, we couldnt have had both going on [13:44] <Islwyn13> true [13:44] <JaneMarple9> Not overly keen on Quidditch, for me it is just book filling [13:44] <harryfreak359> hmmm...I didn't really mind, no real big thoughts on it [13:45] <halfakneazle> lol, so true future [13:45] <EmilyVizi> yeah I agree future [13:45] <CedrellaBlack> but we got to see merepeople anddragons and sphinxes instead so i think that makes up fr it [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> How on earth could Quidditch have been worked in in the midst of the Tri-Wizard Tournament. [13:45] <halfakneazle> exactly McG [13:45] <Islwyn13> very quickly, I forgot about Quidditch in the midst of the story... [13:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [13:45] <Islwyn13> it was so absorbing smile [13:45] *** amyluhu has quit [Bye] [13:45] <JaneMarple9> agreed Future smile You can usually predict the QUidditch score [13:45] <fawkes28> also it keeps us on our toes. we are so used the the routine of the books: dursleys, school, quidditch [13:45] <cbm> It would of had no bearing on the plot here and it was replaced by the tasks [13:45] <dumbleydore18> The one thing I liked about quidditch in the books though , is that when you read the books it makes you feel like you are actually in the stands. [13:45] <fawkes28> it kept us wondering and held our interest wondering what she would do next [13:45] <Islwyn13> it also showed how this was a pivotal, story-changing book [13:45] <futureweasley> there was so much more going on in this book, quidditch would have been anti-climatic [13:45] <JaneMarple9> and we got Interntation Quidditch instead [13:45] <Islwyn13> by shaking things up, I agree, fawkes [13:45] <Alexk> Also, they were struggling to fit in so much already, quidditch we've seen in the last three, if they replaced an important scene in GoF with more quidditch, I would be angry [13:46] <fawkes28> and it also taught me never to assume in her books [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, fawkes, the Tournament really shakes up the usual formula of the story. [13:46] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:46] <EmilyVizi> no its dursleys, school, voldy, quidditch then back to dusletys [13:46] <Poet> Poor Harry had too much to do without also having to do Quidditch. He is also more open to attacks when he is playing. [13:46] <futureweasley> Jo says no quidditch in 7 either...and I doubt I will miss it [13:46] <halfakneazle> I was sad at first, but I found I didn't miss it at all. I like that this book breaks the mold [13:46] <Alexk> *more angry [13:46] <CedrellaBlack> Agreed future, theres just too much to be covered [13:46] <JaneMarple9> I won't miss it at all [13:46] <Poet> I gree futureweasley - it would have been anti-climatic to include Quidditch [13:46] <EmilyVizi> It was probaly hard to write all the quidditch stuff [13:46] <fawkes28> i will because it makes harry happy it lightens the mood of the books [13:46] <futureweasley> Would you have competed in something like the Triwizard Tournament? [13:46] <dumbleydore18> It makes sense not to put quidditch in book 7...duh!!! [13:46] <halfakneazle> nope. I' [13:47] <Aislinn> no way! [13:47] <cbm> No [13:47] <EmilyVizi> I would love to! [13:47] <halfakneazle> *I'm a coward. [13:47] <Islwyn13> if I were of age? ;) yep [13:47] <fawkes28> yes, i would have smile [13:47] <JaneMarple9> I'd say it would have been easy to write Quidditch parts of books [13:47] <dumbleydore18> I would most definately have competed. [13:47] <NYBookworm> nope way too scary and dangerous for me- it's like being on something like survivor [13:47] <fawkes28> i love adventure [13:47] <CedrellaBlack> Yeah i would \ve [13:47] <harryfreak359> yes! [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think I would definitely want to be a spectator. [13:47] <Aislinn> I'm a professional spectator biggrin [13:47] <CedrellaBlack> It wold be soooommuch fuun! [13:47] <fawkes28> i have a hard time watching sports or competitions because i would rather be playing [13:47] <halfakneazle> I'm more of an observer [13:47] <Islwyn13> not much to spectate, though smile [13:47] <JaneMarple9> no way would I be in the Tri-wizard tournie [13:47] <JaneMarple9> too cowardly! biggrin [13:47] <Poet> Not me, I prefer team activities [13:47] <futureweasley> I think I would have tried like Fred and George...but after seeing the first task, I would have needed a new pair of pants and thanked the heavens I wasn't the "TWOC" (top wizard on campus) [13:47] <Islwyn13> what was everyone watching during the 2nd and 3rd tasks?! [13:47] <CedrellaBlack> me too i have troule atchign soccer and swimming for that reasin [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I wouldn't mind helping a champion, but I don't want to be one! [13:47] <JaneMarple9> I'd be the perfect supported! [13:48] <fawkes28> it seems like such an adrenline rush! [13:48] <Aislinn> I was surprised actually, that they didn't have magical means of showing the crowd what was going on in the second and third tasks [13:48] <CedrellaBlack> ahaha TWOC i love it [13:48] <JaneMarple9> :D [13:48] <Alexk> come on people! like you would be so desperate to compete, i'd rather have Mrmcg run me over with the knight bus, at least then, the pain would be over quickly [13:48] <Islwyn13> well, then again, wedon't konw what the crowd saw, Aislinn... [13:48] <dumbleydore18> being in the TWT for me would help me find out who I was as an individual person, though I would have a hard time in the maze though, clostraphobia would kick in [13:48] <CedrellaBlack> I always love things like that and i think itwould be a great adventure [13:48] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:48] <Islwyn13> it was from Harry's PoV...maybe the crowd WAS watching what was going on [13:48] <futureweasley> lol Alex [13:48] <Islwyn13> except in the maze... [13:48] <futureweasley> be careful what you wish for [13:48] <Islwyn13> never mind, just shot down my own theory [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> I'm too Hermione-ish to be a champion. Hogwarts would lose the cup for sure. [13:49] <Aislinn> true, isl - but we know they didn't see what went on in the maze [13:49] <Aislinn> smile [13:49] <Alexk> yes, i should [13:49] <halfakneazle> I'll admit. I'm a huge chicken. [13:49] <EmilyVizi> I might have done it [13:49] <EmilyVizi> who know! [13:49] * JaneMarple9 with halfkneasle smile [13:49] <fawkes28> seize the day! [13:49] <futureweasley> Only Dumbledore and Hagrid clapped at Moody’s introduction as new DADA teacher. Why didn’t McGonagall or Snape clap? [13:49] <CedrellaBlack> I would take my super awesome wand and school beauxbatons and dunmstarg [13:49] <EmilyVizi> who knows* lol i cannot spell [13:49] <Alexk> too dignified [13:49] <Islwyn13> I think McG was shocked by his appearance, and Snape may have been nervous about it [13:49] <CedrellaBlack> durmstrang* [13:50] <Islwyn13> what might Moody figure out? [13:50] <JaneMarple9> they probably didn't approve of Moodu [13:50] <Aislinn> snape had his own reasons for being unnerved by seeing Moody there [13:50] <Poet> I had considered the fact that possibly they didn't know he would be teaching, and that it was a shock. [13:50] <JaneMarple9> Moody* [13:50] <Islwyn13> that's why I get teh impressoin taht the other teachers ddn't know he was coming to teach [13:50] <halfakneazle> they were upset at his entrance. they're both rather straight-laced characters. [13:50] <Islwyn13> they seemed too taken aback [13:50] <futureweasley> I'm sure that Snape and Moody weren't on great terms when Moody arrived at Hogwarts [13:50] <EmilyVizi> Snape is mad he didnt get DADA of course [13:50] <CedrellaBlack> I dont think McG approves of Moody's teacheing methods [13:50] <dumbleydore18> McG and Snape had no interest in ME [13:50] <futureweasley> Snape being a BAD GUY and all [13:50] <Islwyn13> because NONE of the other teachers clapped [13:50] <JaneMarple9> Snape was furious [13:50] * fawkes28 eyes future with the 2 x 4 [13:50] <CedrellaBlack> Like the ferret incident [13:50] <harryfreak359> Future..... [13:50] <CedrellaBlack> Dont go there Future [13:50] <Islwyn13> yeah, Snape and Moody have a past [13:50] <futureweasley> I'm just saying is all [13:51] <fawkes28> snape wanted his job, future, he would clap for no one in that position [13:51] <Aislinn> she wouldn't have known about that at the opening feast, though, ced [13:51] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:51] <Islwyn13> but I still say no one knew Moody was coming to teach [13:51] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [13:51] <harryfreak359> Agreed Fawkes [13:51] <Islwyn13> actually, fawkes, Snape usually gives token applause for new DADA teachers [13:51] <Aislinn> that's possible islwyn [13:51] <NYBookworm> keep getting stuck grrrrrrr [13:51] <Poet> Certainly Snape wasn't thrilled with Moody around to dig up th epast [13:51] <Islwyn13> he did for Lupin, and we know how he felt about him [13:51] <JaneMarple9> Snape and Moody have a huge grudge against each other [13:51] <CedrellaBlack> Right but i dont think she approves of him teaching in general. As a person Yes. But as a taeacher No. [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Even McG, who probably knew Moody from Order days, hadn't seen him in years. [13:51] <Alexk> probably dd was the only one who really knew him well, and hagrid clapped along with dd because it's typical of hagrid to clap for someone that dd clapped for [13:51] <JaneMarple9> agreed Alexk [13:51] <futureweasley> whatever, Moody was the dark wizard catcher that tried to turn him in to the dementors...I can almost guarantee that's where the bad blood came from [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> It's rather a bizarre entrance for a new teacher to make. [13:52] <Islwyn13> and because Hagrid has seen shocking things before... [13:52] <Islwyn13> Moody may not have seemed so strange to him [13:52] <JaneMarple9> yes it was strange enterance [13:52] <Poet> They could have also wondered what had prompted DD to hire him - what DD knows that they don't know [13:52] <EmilyVizi> very unusal [13:52] <Aislinn> I agree FW [13:52] <EmilyVizi> unusual* [13:52] <dumbleydore18> Maybe all the teachers were shocked....and explaining why Hagrid clapped, Dumbledore did so Hagrid did, Hagrid accepts Dumbledore's weird descisions [13:52] <JaneMarple9> maybe Hagrid knew Moody from the old days [13:52] <Aislinn> I think you are right dumbleydore [13:52] <cbm> I agree FW [13:53] <futureweasley> Why would Dumbledore allow a game which has a death toll to occur at Hogwarts? [13:53] <Islwyn13> because they thought they'd ensured no deaths would occur this time [13:53] <harryfreak359> That has always made me wonder [13:53] <JaneMarple9> strange decision to make agreed [13:53] <CedrellaBlack> Becuase it had security measures put on it [13:53] <halfakneazle> I guess he thought that they could make it safe [13:53] <Islwyn13> they changed the rules a bit [13:53] <cbm> I think that they made an attempt to make it safer [13:53] <NYBookworm> I think hey fix some of the things inc. the rule about age of entrnts so taht there wouldn't be a hig risk of death this year [13:53] <JaneMarple9> yes he thought he had plenty of security measures [13:53] <CedrellaBlack> But i know thatit will probably not be plaed for a VERY long time now [13:53] <Islwyn13> I think DD saw the war coming, and knew how critical it was to start bringing the wizarding world together [13:53] <fawkes28> yes, islwyn, he thought it was safe this year [13:53] <cbm> Though how anybody could think that dragons are safe, is a mystery to me [13:53] <Aislinn> they accept risky activities more readily in the wizarding world, imo [13:53] <JaneMarple9> and International Wizardly relations [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> They did try to make it as safe as possible, but magic can be just plain dangerous. [13:54] <Islwyn13> this was a perfect way to do it without tipping his hand about LV and what he knew [13:54] <halfakneazle> Cedric died cause of LV, not the tournament. So he did suceed, in a way. [13:54] <Poet> Dumbledore has a track record of allowing his students to stretch themselves, even if it means putting themselves in some danger [13:54] <fawkes28> he never thought harry would be able to compete [13:54] <futureweasley> I think that DD thought that many new precautions had been taken to put the champions out of harms way [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Poet. [13:54] <Poet> I agree futureweasley [13:54] <JaneMarple9> after all he'd put a age limit so particualally Harry couldn't join [13:54] <Aislinn> I think you are right, islwyn,that he sees it as very important that the wizarding world join together [13:54] <CedrellaBlack> tue poet and fw [13:54] *** jammi567 has joined #lounge [13:54] <harryfreak359> I agree Fw [13:54] <Alexk> i think that perhaps it was more the ministry's decision, to let wizards know that the events of the qwc will not keep thenm form continuing on with what they were going to do before [13:54] <halfakneazle> I'm with you Jane. [13:54] <JaneMarple9> he thought he'd figured everything out [13:54] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it struck me that they were only allowing wizards who were of-age (adult) to complete. [13:54] <fawkes28> he also wanted to create international bonds between the students [13:55] <JaneMarple9> hi the Expel smile [13:55] <cbm> How safe was it, after all the first task involved taking on a dragon [13:55] <futureweasley> I think that Dumbledore would have taken the same precautions whether or not Harry was competing. He is a great purveyor of student safety [13:55] <Expelliarmas> heya peepers [13:55] <jammi567> what are we talking about? [13:55] <Aislinn> it was already being planned before the QWC began [13:55] <futureweasley> hi Expie [13:55] <fawkes28> hey expie [13:55] <Islwyn13> the TWC was already in the works befor ethe QWC occurred, thouigh, Alex [13:55] <CedrellaBlack> hey ex;el [13:55] <Aislinn> hey expie [13:55] <harryfreak359> hi expie [13:55] <Islwyn13> yeah, waht Aislinn said...can't type fast enough today smile [13:55] <dumbleydore18> DUmbledore makes weird descisions, I would say that he likes to go outside of the box. Plus who's to say that just because there were death tolls at a TWT 300 years prior, would be death tolls now? Cedric only died because Wormtail killed him, not because the TWT did. So Cedrics death does not count into the TWT death tolls. [13:55] <Poet> Last question coming up smile [13:55] <futureweasley> What did you think of Harry fantasying about being in the Tournament? What did you think of him wanting to impress Cho Chang? [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> The Tournament has to be physically and mentally challenging, so there's naturally going to be an element of danger. [13:55] <fawkes28> i think he wanted the students to see that there is a huge world out there and they all need to unite in order to defeat voldemort [13:55] <Alexk> yes, but they would have the choice not to continue with the twc after what happened at the qwc [13:55] <Islwyn13> typical 14-year-old boy with a crush [13:55] <Expelliarmas> typical teenage boy [13:55] <CedrellaBlack> Partly [13:56] <JaneMarple9> he's finally discovering girls smile [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Ah, our ickle Harry-kins is growing up. [13:56] <Aislinn> very natural feelings for a teenage boy to have [13:56] <harryfreak359> Typical teenage boy *rolls eyes* [13:56] <cbm> I think that they were normal teenage daydreams [13:56] <EmilyVizi> teenage boy [13:56] <Poet> Harry isn't perfect, and yes, he's a typical teenager [13:56] <Islwyn13> and a safe fantasy...he wasn't going to really enter, after all [13:56] <fawkes28> i think first he wanted to do it for his own pleasure [13:56] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [13:56] <CedrellaBlack> but also to prove to eveeryone that hes not only luck against oldemort, and that he really DOES have talent [13:56] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [13:56] <cbm> It is nice to see something normal happening with Harry [13:56] <jammi567> also something he would be famous for that wouldn't be because of lord v [13:56] <futureweasley> he's coming into adolescence with more of a crash than a whimper [13:56] <JaneMarple9> Harrys the typical teenage boy agreed [13:56] <halfakneazle> fantasizing is totally normal in that respect. he didn't really want it. most people don't really want their fantasys [13:56] <EmilyVizi> only like 5 mins left :o [13:56] <Islwyn13> I don't think he thought that deeply about it... [13:56] <fawkes28> he has an adventuous side after all [13:56] <Islwyn13> I think it was just a normal fantasy [13:56] <dumbleydore18> Did harry fantasize for Cho? I would have thought that he was just fantasizing just because [13:56] <Expelliarmas> didn't he already fantasize about being in the Quidditch World Cup too [13:56] <Aislinn> agreed halfakneazle [13:56] <Poet> Imagining ourselves doing things is sometimes all we need to satisify our desire, then we can get back to reality [13:57] <Islwyn13> he imagined Cho in the stands, applauding his victory smile [13:57] <JaneMarple9> yes he wanted to do something to give pride to Hogwarts [13:57] <Islwyn13> I [13:57] <fawkes28> he was happy, which is what we all want to see [13:57] <Islwyn13> I'm not sure he was thinking about HOgwarts either smile [13:57] <futureweasley> he fantazied about being know as more than "the boy who lived". He saw it as an opportunity to earn his fame [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> I remember being exactly the same way at age 14. [13:57] <JaneMarple9> something different than defying Voldemort [13:57] <EmilyVizi> even though everyone knows who he is [13:57] <jammi567> the ligitermate way [13:57] <Poet> Too true futureweasley [13:57] <futureweasley> right jammi [13:57] <fawkes28> right, future, he wants to be known for his accomplishments [13:57] <cbm> FW, I like that, "earning his fame" [13:58] <Alexk> hug time! [13:58] <JaneMarple9> agreed 100 % Future [13:58] * futureweasley loves the CB Chatters [13:58] <EmilyVizi> argrees with future [13:58] * futureweasley wrangles them up for a big hug!! [13:58] <Expelliarmas> hasn't he always thirsted for fame which had nothing to do with LV? [13:58] * JaneMarple9 prepared to be hugged to death [13:58] * Alexk hugs his teddy bear [13:58] <Aislinn> this was a great chat folks! [13:58] <EmilyVizi> i forgot there as one today (CB chat) and logged on the leaky [13:58] * Expelliarmas wishes she'd gotten home sooner [13:58] <jammi567> when are these on? [13:58] <Alexk> sorry, someone smells [13:58] <CedrellaBlack> greatt tieeee [13:58] * Poet passes out rolls, butter, mashed potatoes, and pie to people as they exit [13:58] <Alexk> oh, jk [13:58] <Aislinn> hope to see you all at the next one [13:58] * fawkes28 joins the big group hug [13:58] <futureweasley> thanks for coming on the holiday weekend...it was really great to see everyone [13:58] <halfakneazle> huggles! [13:58] <EmilyVizi> when is the next one? [13:59] <Islwyn13> sorry I was so late, but I enjoyed it! smile [13:59] <fawkes28> we are so glad you all stopped by for the chat smile [13:59] <futureweasley> don't forget about P3 tomorrow [13:59] <Islwyn13> laters, all! *huggles* [13:59] <NYBookworm> bye [13:59] <Expelliarmas> from 1-3 Eastern Standard Time [13:59] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody [13:59] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:59] <dumbleydore18> This is the first chat in a long time in which I have felt very involved...wow this is awsome...I think I will join next sat and if I have time for tomarrows chat...tomoarrow I will be here [13:59] * CedrellaBlack doesnt take any food as she can barely eat anything since thanksgiving [13:59] * harryfreak359 joines in group hug [13:59] <Alexk> time for goody bags!!!! [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, everybody! See you at P3 tomorrow. [13:59] <Aislinn> jammi, there are announcements that show up on the top of the forums for them, and there is a changing schedule over on the right of your screen [13:59] <futureweasley> nonono, from 3-5pm EST [13:59] <dumbleydore18> Future what time is tomarrows chat again? [13:59] <JaneMarple9> oh great PPP tomorrow! [13:59] * CedrellaBlack joint the all too famous group hug [13:59] <jammi567> what days are these on? [13:59] <fawkes28> glad you all could come [13:59] <Alexk> i've packed each one with a stink bomb! hope no one minds [13:59] <cbm> see you all tomorrow if I am done raking leav This post has been edited by Poet: Nov 25 2006, 04:22 PM |
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