Reading Group Chat - 11/4/06, Chapters 1-5 |
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Expelliarmas, SoonerGryffindor, Aislinn, Theoriser and futureweasley *** futureweasley has joined #lounge *** Aislinn has joined #lounge *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Reading Group Chat: Chapter 1-6 (futureweasley) *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi Prongs! <ProngsPatronus> hello, friends! <futureweasley> how are you doing today? <ProngsPatronus> doing tolerably well, thanks--and you? <ProngsPatronus> my head is full of blood... <ProngsPatronus> LOL <futureweasley> doing headstands again? what did I tell you about those? <futureweasley> wink <ProngsPatronus> I know, I know--I just can't seem to help myself... *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <ProngsPatronus> was it something I sadi? <ProngsPatronus> *said* <futureweasley> no...LOL <futureweasley> I think she might have been lagging <ProngsPatronus> LOL *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi Debbie! <DumbleDebbie> hi biggrin <ProngsPatronus> hi, debbie <DumbleDebbie> hi PP *** nympheart has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi nymph! <nympheart> greetings <DumbleDebbie> hi nymph <ProngsPatronus> hi, nymph <DumbleDebbie> how's everyone? *** cbm has joined #lounge <nympheart> fantastic <futureweasley> hi cbm! *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> :-) <DumbleDebbie> hey cbm <DumbleDebbie> hi whisper <futureweasley> hi Whisperwings <nympheart> hi cbm and whisper <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone, how is it going? <DumbleDebbie> good smile <Whisperwing> Howdy <SoonerGryffindor> that's better <cbm> hi everyone! <futureweasley> red always suits you, Sooner <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I was missing the red ;) <Whisperwing> I'm covered in kitty right now, thanks. <futureweasley> I love kitties!! <DumbleDebbie> is that a good thing Whisper? <Whisperwing> and you, Sooner? <nympheart> lol *** jade_and_diamond_fire has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> good <futureweasley> hi jade <nympheart> hello jade <DumbleDebbie> hi jade <SoonerGryffindor> hi jade <ProngsPatronus> hiya, jade <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi everyone! <Whisperwing> Howdy <futureweasley> partner <DumbleDebbie> lol <ProngsPatronus> lol <futureweasley> it's really COLD here today! <nympheart> here too <futureweasley> high of 42 degrees fahrenheit <DumbleDebbie> yep, here too Future, although at least the sun is out <ProngsPatronus> it is beautiful here, when the sun decides to shine <ProngsPatronus> but I like cold weather *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> where are you PP? <DumbleDebbie> hi Aislinn <ProngsPatronus> AR <futureweasley> wb Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> sorry to hear that guys. Its 58 here, so I guess even though I want to complain, I wont <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi aislinn! <DumbleDebbie> gotcha PP <nympheart> It's 41 here <DumbleDebbie> :p Sooner <nympheart> and it was snowing last night <ProngsPatronus> good football weather <nympheart> but the snow didn't collect on the ground sad <DumbleDebbie> 38 here <futureweasley> yes, there's insane football going on here today <DumbleDebbie> brrr future, that's gonna hurt <futureweasley> biggest High School game of the year has just started <Whisperwing> Eh my hard drive's making this lame scraping noise.... <futureweasley> that's not good Whisper <ProngsPatronus> on a Saturday? <nympheart> I don't really care about football, which means I'm shunned by my city <DumbleDebbie> that sounds bad whisper, have you backed it up lately? <SoonerGryffindor> is there any weather that is not good for football Prongs? :loL <DumbleDebbie> if not, do it right away <cbm> WW get a backup NOW <Whisperwing> oh good it just stopped <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner <futureweasley> yes, Saturday afternoon at 1PM...I thought that was weird <ProngsPatronus> nope <Whisperwing> guess she needed a warm up <ProngsPatronus> cuts into all the college games today <Whisperwing> I think it was the secondary slave drive anyway <ProngsPatronus> weird sceduling <cbm> Wisper, get a backup anyway, just in case <futureweasley> exactly PP, that was my thinking <DumbleDebbie> is that the house-elf drive ;) <ProngsPatronus> have they been trying to clean it again, whisper? * futureweasley offers the chatters Hot Chocolate and mini-marshmellows *** Fuschia has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> you really should talk to them about that... <DumbleDebbie> hi fuschia <DumbleDebbie> thanks future yum! * nympheart takes marshmellows and hot chocolate <futureweasley> hello Fuschia <ProngsPatronus> ooooooooo--yuuummmmm <jade_and_diamond_fire> thanx future! very tasty! <Fuschia> Hello * nympheart starts roasting marshmellows in the fire of her family room <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi fuschia! <Aislinn> perfect refreshment for a cold blusterdy day like today, FW * DumbleDebbie just comes here for the food and the hugs wink <Fuschia> hey *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge * ProngsPatronus starts charring the marshmellows... * nympheart hugs DumbleDebbie *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hugs all around! <futureweasley> lol, I thought you came here just for my sanity's sake, Debbie <DumbleDebbie> lol nymph, thanks <futureweasley> hi stupifiant <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, that too Future ;) <Whisperwing> Aw, that's kind of mean -- this player at the virtual ranching game I play wants to unload a nice little Clydesdale colt just because he's sway backed. <DumbleDebbie> and to harrass Sooner about Snape ;) *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge <stupifiant_horcri> Hi everyone <nympheart> you mean EvilSnape <DumbleDebbie> hi stupifiant <nympheart> hello stupifiant <Aislinn> hi stupifiant <DumbleDebbie> oh, don't get her started nymph ;) <futureweasley> speaking of Snape...that's our WWW chat this week! Hope you can all make it! <stupifiant_horcri> Sorry I havent been discussing alot <Whisperwing> But she wants approval before she'll sell him either, and every time I offer to buy a horse up for sale on approval, I don't hear back from the seller <Whisperwing> Oh yes, Snape <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that should be a dandy Future <Whisperwing> Is that Wednesday? <nympheart> lol, I'll try very hard <jade_and_diamond_fire> oooooooooooooh, Snape, we'll never run out of stuff to say <Fuschia> what's the WWWchat? <stupifiant_horcri> oops, gotta go *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] <futureweasley> or Wednesday chat, Fuschia <Aislinn> it's the chat that is held Wed evening <cbm> Snape, that should be fun! <Whisperwing> Wise Wizard something <jade_and_diamond_fire> too bad i have rehearsal on Wednesday night sad <futureweasley> it's 7-9PM EST Wednesday <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha <Fuschia> Thanks <SoonerGryffindor> you know I will be there <ProngsPatronus> the lovely Wise Wizard Chat <DumbleDebbie> no really Sooner? Shocker! <futureweasley> but of course, Sooner <DumbleDebbie> grin <nympheart> I think I actually don't have rehearsal that day! yes! <Aislinn> Wize Wizard Wednesday whisper <Whisperwing> I will strong arm my way into the chat this week <DumbleDebbie> say that 5 times fast Aislin lol <Whisperwing> Maybe I can talk my daughter into playing her video game that night <SoonerGryffindor> well, since most of the CB staff is under the impression that he is evil, I have to be here to represent <ProngsPatronus> oh, noooooooo <ProngsPatronus> not greasy gitSnape! * futureweasley rolls her eyes <DumbleDebbie> but of course sooner <futureweasley> McSnape is McEvile!! <DumbleDebbie> LOL <Aislinn> we'll have the muffle handy for Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> kik <nympheart> lol <DumbleDebbie> lol <nympheart> I think Snape is independent, but evil <jade_and_diamond_fire> lol x100000 future! <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha <futureweasley> but that's all for wednesday * futureweasley buttons up her lip now <ProngsPatronus> you don't want to now what I think of him <SoonerGryffindor> yes, today we will be talking about chapters 1-6 <SoonerGryffindor> and I cant wait <DumbleDebbie> yay! <nympheart> of my fav HP book <futureweasley> yes I do, Prongs, and I hope to see you Wednesday! <ProngsPatronus> my favourite book--yay! <Whisperwing> I offered a theory about him, how maybe the whole reason he even went to Voldemort's side in the first place was to work himself into a position where he could get revenge on him for having killed his mother, Eileen Prince, for being a Muggle lover who dared marry and breed with one.... <Whisperwing> but that's not for today <nympheart> I wrote and essay for Scribbulus about him, but it needs edited <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww <futureweasley> lol Whisper, it's a good one <SoonerGryffindor> there is a good thread in the Nook dealing with that <futureweasley> Snape's Loyalty, Sooner? <SoonerGryffindor> no <SoonerGryffindor> about Snape;s mother <Whisperwing> OH, ooh! And maybe the reason he had to spit that snide comment about Lily was to keep his cover, he was already deep into... yeah... okay * Whisperwing hushes <DumbleDebbie> lol <Whisperwing> Hard though, when inspired thought strikes <futureweasley> lol, it's easy to get going about Snape <cbm> That is better than some of the theories I have seen <futureweasley> so, we will on Wednesday...I promise <nympheart> Well, you can say it wednesday, write it down <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* <SoonerGryffindor> but for now........ <Whisperwing> Sweet <ProngsPatronus> just for you, sooner, future, and Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> GoF <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> GoF opens with Frank Bryce accused of murdering the Muggle Riddle family and being acquitted in Little Hangleton. He was accused, but someone else (three guesses who) did the deed. An autopsy revealed no internal or external damage. Fast forward 50 years. Bryce is 76, but still the house caretaker. Someone owned the house for tax reasons. He found the rat tending to LV. <SoonerGryffindor> Peter tried to dissuade LV from using Harry for the plan. Pettigrew was to murder another person to get to Harry, but it is unclear to whom they referred. By then, LV would have a faithful servant (one with the brains and unwavering loyalty the rat lacks) at Hogwarts. LV offered to allow Peter the chance to perform a service that many faithful DEs would give their right hands to do. <SoonerGryffindor> Nagini told LV of Frank’s presence. Frank was paralyzed with fear. He valiantly stood up to LV and in a flash of green light ... he was no more. 200 miles away ... Harry awoke with a start–his scar hurting. He tries to remember his dream, but it only comes in bits and pieces. He can’t remember what LV said and that scares him <SoonerGryffindor> Needing to talk to someone, and after a lot of thought, Harry writes Sirius a letter. He admits to his pain and fear. Later that morning, Harry goes down to breakfast. Everyone is on a diet because Dudley is on one. The post arrives bringing a letter from Mrs. Weasley. Harry’s invited to the Quidditch World Cup. <SoonerGryffindor> Harry awaited the Weasleys who traveled by Floo powder. The fireplace was blocked. Arthur blasted it apart. Fred and George got Harry’s trunk. As Fred steps into the fireplace, he “drops” a pocketful of sweets. Dudley wolfed one down. Before Harry Floos off, he hears Dudley gagging on the ground from eating the bewitched candy. As Arthur tries to help, Vernon loses it and starts chucking knickknacks at him. Harry nar <SoonerGryffindor> At the Burrow, Harry meets Bill and Charlie. Hermione is already there. Percy now works at the MoM and has become even more pompous. Arthur gives Fred and George a piece of his mind for the toffee incident. Harry learns about Weasleys Wizard Wheezes. <SoonerGryffindor> The next day, Harry, Hermione, and the Weasleys (sans Molly) meet up with Cedric and Amos Diggory. Amos needles Harry about the Quidditch match which Harry lost in PoA–to Cedric’s Hufflepuff team. Cedric seemed embarrassed by his dad. They take a Portkey to the QWC. <SoonerGryffindor> Up to speed? Good! Let’s talk about the first six chapters of GoF. <SoonerGryffindor> Why didn’t Bryce leave after the case against him was dropped? Why did he stay in Little Hangleton? <DumbleDebbie> It was his home *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> hi expie <Aislinn> hey Expie! <SoonerGryffindor> I also dont think he had anywhere to go <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie <futureweasley> I think it's in his personality not to leave...not to care about what others think, and just stick to himself <sdcurtis> He probably didn't have anywhere to go <Expelliarmas> heya my peepers, sorry for being so late <nympheart> Frank is the best example of a muggle we've seen <futureweasley> hi Expie <cbm> I think maybe he was damaged by the war and stayed with that he knew <ProngsPatronus> because he is a good soldier <SoonerGryffindor> I agree nymph <Aislinn> I agree prongs <futureweasley> yes cbm...that makes sense <ProngsPatronus> and a good soldier stays at his post <Aislinn> he stays to do what he sees as his duty *** wahinee93 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> yes <DumbleDebbie> hi wahinee <futureweasley> he dug his heels in...by leaving, he would have proved to the townspeople that he WAS guilty <wahinee93> hi =] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think, because he didn't have family, he felt very attached to the house! <nympheart> he's very brave <nympheart> Frank kind of still lives in the war *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi wahinee <DumbleDebbie> good pont FW <sdcurtis> exactly who else is going to want to even work at the house after what happened <wahinee93> hi <Aislinn> hi Islwyn smile <nympheart> when confronting LV he thought of how things were during the war <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Isl <DumbleDebbie> hi Islwyn <ProngsPatronus> besides--it says he loves the gardens <Islwyn13> Greetings, all! <nympheart> hellow islwyn *** Islwyn13 has quit [Bye] <Whisperwing> I actually think that he didn't much care what those people thought of his guilt or innocence. <ProngsPatronus> hi, islwyn <jade_and_diamond_fire> Islwyn! now its a party! smile <SoonerGryffindor> Why were the Villagers so quick to suspect Bryce, after first thinking he couldn’t be guilty? <nympheart> because people are fickle <DumbleDebbie> maybe because he was a loner? <wahinee93> because he was reserved <Aislinn> I think that's common - a case of group think <SoonerGryffindor> I think it just goes to show human nature <nympheart> they needed someone to blame <Aislinn> mob mentality <sdcurtis> because it's a small town and he kept to himself it seems. People need something to talk about *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> because they had to suspect someone, and he was convenient <jade_and_diamond_fire> people always suspect loners! i think he was kind of like Boo Radley <Expelliarmas> the villagers got caught up on "group think" someone had to be guilty and they totally got carried away <Islwyn13> testing... <SoonerGryffindor> we've seen the same happen with Harry <wahinee93> yeah, actually i think it says that <DumbleDebbie> mob mentality is scary <futureweasley> it was the only logical explanation...and "mob mentality" set in <nympheart> true sooner <Islwyn13> ah, NOW it works smile <Islwyn13> Hi, guys <jade_and_diamond_fire> i agree about the mob mentality <Whisperwing> For the same reason veterans coming home from the Vietnam War were treated with mistrust -- once you go out into the world with a mission of killing, it becomes easy to be seen as a killer irregardless <nympheart> brb <sdcurtis> Although I do find it interesting that no one liked the Riddles, but they darn sure wanted to know who killed them <Islwyn13> well, sure, there might've been a murderer running around their village <Whisperwing> Just like everyone wanted to know who shot JR on Dallas <ProngsPatronus> they also didn't want it to be one of "them" <jade_and_diamond_fire> pple were just bored <wahinee93> well it sounds like they were all poor, so they'd have a natural jealousy of some rich people <Islwyn13> that, and the Riddles treated everyone horribly... <DumbleDebbie> in a small town everyone knows everythign about everyone else <Islwyn13> at least, Tom SR seemed to <jade_and_diamond_fire> particularly if the rich people owned the town <futureweasley> Jo makes a point to say that noone really cared that the Riddles were gone <Whisperwing> Less so if they were philanthropic wealthy folks who do for the comminuty instead of snobs <SoonerGryffindor> I still wonder why the cook was not a suspect since she was actually in the house, but I guess Frank made an easer target <Whisperwing> community^ <futureweasley> but the townspeople didn't want a "murderer" in their ranks <wahinee93> truth <ProngsPatronus> exactly <wahinee93> and the cook hung out with them at the pub <jade_and_diamond_fire> maybe because she is a woman? <wahinee93> so they wouldn't suspect a friend <jade_and_diamond_fire> it was the 1940's <Expelliarmas> actually, I think the villagers were thrilled to have the murder in their town, certainly gave them something to go on about <wahinee93> well, any man or woman might kill for money <sdcurtis> I'm wondering if Frank wasn't a native of the town <DumbleDebbie> yeah, she was definitely in the gossip grapevine <Whisperwing> Easier to blame the loner than the person you have to look in the face daily. <Islwyn13> well, the police were from Greater Hangleton, weren't they? <futureweasley> too true Expie <Aislinn> the cook probably knew everyone more, and he stayed to himself <SoonerGryffindor> they could gossip all they wanted <wahinee93> yeah they were <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie <Islwyn13> they might not have been friendly with the cook, so I agree, why wasn't she suspect? <Expelliarmas> it gave them a legend, especially when it wasn't solved <sdcurtis> true <wahinee93> she may have been, but the police probably ruled her out <SoonerGryffindor> Did it seem to you the Rat was trying to talk Voldemort out of using Harry for The Plan? <Islwyn13> yeah, probably <Whisperwing> Besides which, murder mysteries were already cliches with servants who kill their masters at that time. *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge <futureweasley> Frank wasn't there to defend himself or to give his alibi...they were only getting information from someone they thought trustworthy <cbm> Yes <Whisperwing> Yes it did <ProngsPatronus> her job gave her cache' <Aislinn> Yes Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> I dont know, I dont think he tried very har <DumbleDebbie> only because he was scared, not for Harry's benefit <ProngsPatronus> yes <Islwyn13> yeah, but was he doing it because he thought it'd be too dangerous, or because he felt he owed Harry? <cbm> I think he realized he had made a mistake <Whisperwing> I think it was more because getting Harry Potter would hard. It's hard work. <wahinee93> no, i think pettigrew didn't want to do anything complicated <Islwyn13> yueah, what DumbleDebbie said smile <Aislinn> I think he was reluctant to put himself in the risk he knew he would have to face, maneuvering Harry into being caught <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think Peter wanted to get voldie into his body asap because he was disgusted to take care of him <Expelliarmas> I thought so, from the way the convesation was going, of course, I don't know why he tried to dissuade LV * Whisperwing ends Dubya impression <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it is ever one reason with Peter <futureweasley> I don't think that was Pettigrew's main motivation <sdcurtis> I think Pettigrew didn't like the high risk factor <SoonerGryffindor> I think if he did it from a debt POV, he would have tried harder <wahinee93> yeah that too <Aislinn> I don't think it had anything to do with the life debt <Fuschia> Maybe he had a house elf type loyalty to the family? <DumbleDebbie> I think the debt thing might manifest in an unconscious action, not a decision by Peter <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ann <nympheart> I think PP thought he was repaying the debt <cbm> I think VD was using legimancy, so I think he knew what Peter was thinking <Islwyn13> I wonder if he realizes he has a life debt to Harry? I don't thin khe does <DumbleDebbie> Peter was scared of all the security around Harry <futureweasley> as someone very wise once said, using someone else would have ended Pettigrew's "nanny gig" quickly, and that suited Peter just fine <wahinee93> debbie that's a really good theory <ProngsPatronus> I thjink that Peter hoped he would be repaying the debt <jade_and_diamond_fire> particularly since dd now knows that Peter betrayed the potters <wahinee93> he loathed his nanny gig <DumbleDebbie> thanks wahinee <Aislinn> exactly debbie *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] <sdcurtis> Caring for Voldemort can't exactly be a plesent thing <wahinee93> LV himself said he could tell pettigrew didnt like to look at him <jade_and_diamond_fire> of course <nympheart> yes, wahinee <Islwyn13> who would? smile <DumbleDebbie> lol sdcurtis <Whisperwing> Oh yes, and heaven forbid Pettigrew do anything that was difficult, whatever was easiest and put him furthest ahead of his enemies, that's what makes Peter Pettirgew's whiskers twitch <ProngsPatronus> me thinks she would loathe being nanny to BabyMort, too <Aislinn> he figured it would be less risk to his own skin to go after another wizard, as he knew Harry was being watched by DD,a nd the whole wizarding community <wahinee93> bellatrix would <jade_and_diamond_fire> yes, Whisper *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge <Whisperwing> Bellatrix was still in Azkaban then <futureweasley> hi MrMcG <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M! <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! <Islwyn13> well, Bellatrix is off her meds, though smile <nympheart> Hi MrM <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M <Islwyn13> Heya, MrM smile <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi MrMcG! <DumbleDebbie> lol Isl <wahinee93> if she was able too, she'd jump at the chance to take care of him <sdcurtis> HIs cover had been blown sort of and if it was exposed any more he'd be in deep weeds <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Pettigrew told Voldemort how he escaped from Sirius and Remus? Do you think he revealed the existence of the “life debt?” If not, how did he hide it? Does Pettigrew have more talent than for which we credit him? <Aislinn> Hi Mr M smile <ProngsPatronus> hi, Mr. mcG <DumbleDebbie> yes, he does have more talent <Islwyn13> I doubt he told LV <wahinee93> of course <Whisperwing> I think Voldemort lifted it from his mind while he tried to conceal it. <nympheart> I think he has more talent, but I think his cowardice usually cancels it out <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't think he told Voldie, because Voldie would be very concerned/upset <Aislinn> I think he is very sly and clever, and probably a bit more talented than he is given credit for <Expelliarmas> No way he told LV. I think he hid it somehow. Maybe he does have more talent--at least for misdirection <Islwyn13> and again, I'm not sure Pettigrew truly realizes he has a life debt <DumbleDebbie> as to the debt, he could hide it from Voldy if he doesn't realize it himself <ProngsPatronus> I think that Peter was average only by comparison <futureweasley> I think he didn't tell LV, but he does have more talent than we give him credit for <Aislinn> I don't think he brought up the life debt at all <MrMcGonagall> I think Voldemort knows about the circumstances, but I don't think he understands the true nature of life debts. <nympheart> I don't think PP volunteered the information, but I think LV found out <nympheart> I agree MrM <Whisperwing> Well it had to be some powerful magic to blow up a city street <wahinee93> he probably is good at occlumency, he obviously can shut his feelings aside, betraying his best friend and sticking the other in jail *** adamgryff has joined #lounge <cbm> I think Voldemort may of figured it out <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Adam! <DumbleDebbie> adam!!! hug <Aislinn> I don't think it would have been in LV's radar, as he would consider it irrelevant <sdcurtis> I think peter is more talented than anyone gives him credit for. I don't think Voldemort would have been too terribly concerned to search his mind. <futureweasley> hi Adam <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam <ProngsPatronus> hey, adam! <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. <Islwyn13> well, occlumency and legilimency are supposed to be "obscure branches of magic" aren't tehy? <nympheart> Hi adam <adamgryff> hi, everyone it's been a long day <Islwyn13> I'm not sure Pettigrew would have leanred Occlumency <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, LV has a tendency to underestimate problems <wahinee93> but he may be a natural <Islwyn13> Hi, Adam! <DumbleDebbie> welcome to the fun adam smile <ProngsPatronus> it is part of the Old magic, life debts <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi adam smile <adamgryff> what are we discussing <sdcurtis> yes it is <Islwyn13> I don't know, Pettigrew seems to wear his emotions on his sleeve <wahinee93> occlumency is important enough for snape, dumbledore and LV to study... <futureweasley> we are talking Peter and whether or not he told LV about escaping Sirius and Remus <DumbleDebbie> if Voldy knows about Peter's life debt <Islwyn13> I don't think he's too good at it <SoonerGryffindor> we are on chapter one right now adam <cbm> I think VD searches minds out of habit <wahinee93> i think peter is the type who would cry at anything because he's a wimp <ProngsPatronus> and Old Magic is something that Voldemort despises and discounts <wahinee93> not that he let's out all his feelings to any sap who would listen <MrMcGonagall> I think the concept of honor which is the basis of a life debt is incomprehensible to LV. <Whisperwing> Jumping ahead to HBP, SNape surely seems to be needling Pettigrew about 'what he's up to' by listening at doors, as though he knows perfectly well, being such a skilled Legilimens himself. So surely Voldemort wouldn't have to search to see the truth of how Peter was found out. <Islwyn13> true, wahinee, but DD adn LV are exceptional, and Snape is...well, he's Snape <ProngsPatronus> me, too, Mr. McG <Islwyn13> I'm just saying I dont' think everyone has been taught those skills, of occlumency and Legilimency <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that rat boy is better than we give him credit for, and that he has hidden the life debt so far *** Theoriser has joined #lounge <wahinee93> hahah I think snape is exceptional <futureweasley> hi Theoriser <DumbleDebbie> hi theo <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi theoriser! <Theoriser> hi everyone smile <ProngsPatronus> theoriser :-) <Expelliarmas> he has to have more talent to have survived this long <nympheart> I think LV would have been suspicious when Wormtail said use someone else <Aislinn> hi theoriser <SoonerGryffindor> hi theoriser <wahinee93> its like malfoy would be better at occlumency naturally, maybe pettigrew is like that <ProngsPatronus> Peter has a genius for survival <Islwyn13> Snape said LV could "almost always" tell when someoene was lying to him, but I got th efeeling tha tLV didn't really read minids <jade_and_diamond_fire> suspicious and angry <futureweasley> yes Prongs, I totally agree <cbm> Read SHe has proved he can act when needed, so maybe in a moment of desparation he will help Harry in some way <Aislinn> why would LV care about the life debt at all? Its not a concept he believes in or relates to <Islwyn13> so if Pettigrew said nothing about what happened with Sirius and Lupin, he wouldn't be lying, and LV wouldn't be able to catch him in it <nympheart> I don't see LV as the trusting sort, so i think he uses Legillimency often <futureweasley> he understands necessity and has the tools to get what he needs <jade_and_diamond_fire> if LV is weak or tired, could that maybe affect his ability to read minds? <ProngsPatronus> which is a telent his fellow marauders could ahve used a time or two <Islwyn13> plus, LV has a tendency to underestimate people...he may have felt that Pettigrew wouldn't dare hide something from him, so why look for it? <nympheart> he knew Frank was lying though jade <ProngsPatronus> yes, fw <SoonerGryffindor> What form do you suppose Voldemort had taken? Was he an it or human-like? <nympheart> it <cbm> But LV can ask him questions and hone in on the truth, much like Snape in PoA when Harry was in Hogsmeade <jade_and_diamond_fire> good point nymp! <futureweasley> totally an "it" <wahinee93> bloodless baby? <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a parody of a human baby <DumbleDebbie> fetus-like (puke) <MrMcGonagall> I think he was more of an it. <adamgryff> he was a it <futureweasley> an "it" with teeth and hair <sdcurtis> it...although do you really want to think about it.*shudders* <Theoriser> I think he was an it <Expelliarmas> no way he was human, but disgusting <wahinee93> i don't think he has hair with a body <Aislinn> he was a humonculus, or however you spell that <Theoriser> he looks like a human, but I dont' think he is <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, I was about to say that <Theoriser> *was <wahinee93> so then was that his bodyless form <Expelliarmas> Aislinn? huh? <SoonerGryffindor> and I googled that and it is disgusting <wahinee93> or did he take the body of something else? <Islwyn13> I agree, Ais <Whisperwing> Remember that fetal thing in 2001: A Space Oddysey? Something like that, only also somewhat newt-like.... <ProngsPatronus> homonculus * Expelliarmas needs to crack open a dictionary *** Hagiographer13 has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> yeah, someone linked to Wiki for that homonculus thing <futureweasley> I envisioned one of those tumors that has teeth and hair that gets removed from people...it's totally a sick thought, but that's what I pictured <Whisperwing> And I'm going to say it one more time, the materials for his new body came from the remains of Bertha Jorkins <MrMcGonagall> Gross, FW! <wahinee93> i pictured a fat worm thing <futureweasley> lol <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, really gross! * ProngsPatronus starts to think longingly of clean and natural things <sdcurtis> there's an unplesent thought <wahinee93> hahah Bertha Jorkins' leg? <jade_and_diamond_fire> what I pictured was pretty much like what's in the movie <MrMcGonagall> You're about right, though, FW. The movie didn't do the ugliness justice. <ProngsPatronus> or the horror *** cbm has quit [Bye] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i'm still confused about how he's holding a wand tho? <DumbleDebbie> teratocarcinoma <MrMcGonagall> Little shriveled arms. <wahinee93> in his mouth <SoonerGryffindor> ewww <futureweasley> I see him as a formless blog...think Jabba the Hut, but smaller <jade_and_diamond_fire> really, because i almost threw up during the movie <wahinee93> or wait, wandless magic <DumbleDebbie> lol FW <Theoriser> lol future <Islwyn13> homunculus...kinda like a golem <SoonerGryffindor> Who do you think owned the Riddle House? <Theoriser> that's probably right <DumbleDebbie> that's funny! little Jabba <Islwyn13> a created "little man" *** cbm has joined #lounge <wahinee93> Jabba JR. <Islwyn13> it's a long article in Wiki smile <futureweasley> The Riddles, definitely <ProngsPatronus> Jabba the Doll Hutt? <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, but Jabba is funny gross, and Voldie is just gross <wahinee93> lol <DumbleDebbie> yep Isl, I think that's how it's explained <sdcurtis> I'm not sure who owned it <Whisperwing> He has to still have a snakiness to him, of course, that became so much of his identity in his later life before the attack on the Potters that it would be imprinted on the remaining bit of his soul, which is probably why he was nourished by the venom milked from Nagini's fangs. <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Lucius managed all of the details under commands from LV <Aislinn> hahaha FW <MrMcGonagall> My first inclination was to say Lucius Malfoy, but after the discussion in our group I have no idea. <Expelliarmas> I think it belonged to LV <Islwyn13> just tryig to be helpful blushing <Whisperwing> I thought it might be Lucius too <DumbleDebbie> some random rich Muggle now <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think Lucius owned it <SoonerGryffindor> so I think that on paper, it is Lucius, but he only did it cause LV asked him to <wahinee93> I wouldn't be surprised if LV took his father's money *** Books_4_eva has joined #lounge <Theoriser> Mr Malfoy owning it is a really nice idea <MrMcGonagall> I think I agree, Sooner. <Aislinn> I think LV owned it, but under a pseudonym <wahinee93> what would he need it for? <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi eva! <DumbleDebbie> hi books <Books_4_eva> hi <futureweasley> maybe Dumbledore owned it <ProngsPatronus> I don't think LV would give any Death Eater that much insight into his past <SoonerGryffindor> hi books <cbm> Malfoy would not of kept frank employed <Expelliarmas> he doesn't need it, but it is a trophy <futureweasley> just to keep it safe from "wrongdoing" <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, he gave him the diary <MrMcGonagall> He didn't need to tell Lucius or whoever about the history of the place. <wahinee93> so...any horcruxes in the house? <Islwyn13> I think that's possible... <wahinee93> if it's a trophy i mean <SoonerGryffindor> that is not the question wahinee <jade_and_diamond_fire> he didn't have to explain it to Voldie, lucius would just follow the order <Theoriser> I don't know how true it is, I think it may just be a random muggle that owns it <wahinee93> oh whoops <sdcurtis> I am inclined to lean towards Voldemort owning it because the house was falling into disrepair and what better way to keep people away from it then that. <Whisperwing> After all, Lucius was left in charge of the diary, another precious relic of Voldemort's heritage, proof he was the Heir of Slytherin, why wouldn't he also have put the ownership of the Riddle house under Malfoy's care? <adamgryff> I agree theoriser <ProngsPatronus> histories of the house come with a deed search, esp if it was abandoned <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think there's definitely a horcrux there <cbm> I think a randem muggle owns it. <Islwyn13> too many eggs in one basket <SoonerGryffindor> I agree WW <ProngsPatronus> I agree, theoriser <futureweasley> I'm thinking that DD bought it and kept Frank employed <DumbleDebbie> mee too cbm <futureweasley> to watch over it <MrMcGonagall> He may have just said, "Make sure no one else buys this house," and he would be obeyed. <Islwyn13> I don't think LV would give a DE more than one important thing <cbm> random, I know that is not an exciting theory <Islwyn13> in case they screwed up (see Lucius) <SoonerGryffindor> I dont buy that DD knew anything till the end of GoF about the Riddle house *** nympheart has quit [Bye] <DumbleDebbie> If DD owned it wouldn't have have placed some security on it <Whisperwing> He had that diary and had no idea of the true value of it, any more than the would the house.... <jade_and_diamond_fire> well then another DE maybe? <SoonerGryffindor> if he did, things would not have happened as they did in the end *** nympheart has joined #lounge <wahinee93> well if Tom Riddle exists still on paper * cbm I hit tabs and peoples names pop in <Aislinn> why wouldn't LV own it himself? <Expelliarmas> LV wouldn't need anyone's help to get the house; he could put anyone under the imperio curse and transfer ownership to a non-existant name <Whisperwing> Lucius is the only weaalthy Death Eater I know of. <wahinee93> I'm sure he could make the DE's pay dues and what not and keep the house under his own name, why not'? <Whisperwing> LV was Vapomort for most of those years <futureweasley> whose name, cbm? <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, there's still lots of DE's we don't know about *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi AEN <nympheart> Hi AEN <DumbleDebbie> hi AEN <jade_and_diamond_fire> Vapomort, lol ;) <wahinee93> he may have signed rights to the house while pre-Harry <Islwyn13> Honestly, I think it's a red herring <Theoriser> but then again, how would he know it was a safe place to hide out unless he knew the owner wouldn't turn up suddenly? <Aislinn> hey AEN <An_Eternal_Night> hey everyone! glad I remembered <nympheart> I don't think it's LV's <Expelliarmas> folks assume LV would have needed help while he was vapormort, but he likely did it before the curse backfired <MrMcGonagall> Given the fact that nobody in the village knows so much as a name, I'm thinking it must be someone in the wizarding world, atleast. <Islwyn13> probably is just some rich guy looking for a tax benefit <ProngsPatronus> hey, AEN <Whisperwing> There's an NAQ to hand over to Jo, yeah? <nympheart> does LV even have money? <DumbleDebbie> there was ivy covering the door and a thick layer of dust. it was obviously not inhabited <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Voldemort’s taunting of Pettigrew? <Aislinn> right - he killed the Riddles decades before Harry was born <Islwyn13> LV loves power <futureweasley> cruel...token Voldemort <wahinee93> he's bored <Whisperwing> He has charisma and intimidation, what does he need money for? <nympheart> typical LV <Islwyn13> he had lots of power over Pettigrew, and was relishing in it <sdcurtis> yeah, but tax purposes sounds like something a wizard would say without raising too much suspicion <SoonerGryffindor> I think he could hav been a little more grateful <MrMcGonagall> I think it's probably the way he is with most of the DEs. <Expelliarmas> because he can and likely does it to all DEs <nympheart> i'd be irritable too if I were in that state <wahinee93> even as a Jabba thing <DumbleDebbie> he does that to control Peter <ProngsPatronus> lol--he has a kind of ruined grandeur about him, our Voldemort <adamgryff> Voldemort at his best <Theoriser> he knows how to control him <futureweasley> lol Wahinee <nympheart> I didn't feel particularly sorry for Peter <Fuschia> He does it to keep him insecure and under control <Aislinn> yes, debbie, it is his means of control <DumbleDebbie> to keep him subservient mentally, since he can't do it physically (yet) <ProngsPatronus> with that same raddled sense of nobesse oblige <jade_and_diamond_fire> its harder to control ppl if your nice to them <Islwyn13> I was surprised that Pettigrew was arguing back with LV! <cbm> I think in the end treating Pettigrew like that will be a mistake, as I think Pettigrew will lash out at some point <Islwyn13> like a petulent child <Whisperwing> The book Oettigrew is kind of pitiable though, kind of like the ruins of Smeagol within Gollum. <Whisperwing> Pettigrew^ <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cbm. <SoonerGryffindor> I agree cbm, I think that will come back to bite him on the behind <ProngsPatronus> well, one does not corner a rat <Books_4_eva> he does it because he can, it's voldermorts way of controling people. He makes them feal guilty then <Books_4_eva> uses it against them# <Aislinn> right - eventually, he will strike back <adamgryff> very true prongs <Theoriser> I agree books <jade_and_diamond_fire> not sure that Pettigrew is quite that far, but nice Smeagol connection, certainly has the annoying voice <Whisperwing> Oh, and of course Saruman belittling Wormtongue after he flees to be with him in Orthanc. <futureweasley> LV's a jerk, and he doesn't think much of Peter, even though Peter is saving him. It's awful, but Peter sets himself up to be unappreciated * ProngsPatronus thinks that Voldemort and Peter deserve each other <wahinee93> I can't see him striking back, but I could see him seeking revenge <nympheart> That was more what I saw whisper <MrMcGonagall> I just remember what Jo has Sirius (I think) say about the little guys rising up against their tyrannical oppressorl. <SoonerGryffindor> yes Mr M, I like that comparison <nympheart> nice MrM <Whisperwing> And we can't forget it was Wormtongue's hand that brought Saruman down in the end. <Aislinn> I think that was DD Mr M, but definitely *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge <wahinee93> I don't think JKR would parallel LOTR that much.... <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 <adamgryff> hi seven <SoonerGryffindor> Who do you think was supposed to be the murder victim at Hogwarts? <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi sevenof nine! <Expelliarmas> heya 7 <Aislinn> welcome seven <SevenofNine> Woot! I finally got in! <MrMcGonagall> Moody. <An_Eternal_Night> hi Seven <futureweasley> that's interesting, MrMcG...I always assumed that she was referring to either HouseElves or Goblins <DumbleDebbie> Moody <Whisperwing> Um, the premise predates LOTR too. <nympheart> I don't know... <SoonerGryffindor> hi seven! <Islwyn13> ah...I think that was a poor edit by Scholastic smile <Aislinn> I think it must have been Moody <ProngsPatronus> hey, seven <Islwyn13> I don't think it was meant to say "one more murder"... *** DMD has joined #lounge <futureweasley> yes Islwyn....it was * nympheart is frustrated by lack of an answer <DMD> greetings!! <Islwyn13> the Bloomsbury edition makes more sense <Aislinn> but they've never corrected it islwyn <Books_4_eva> well I don't think it was moody... he wasn't exactly in the way and barty needed him <futureweasley> hi DMD <Aislinn> they've had opportunities <DumbleDebbie> hi DMD! <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, that change between the editions is soooo confusing <Islwyn13> I'm not sure they realize the importance of thier changes <SoonerGryffindor> I used to think there was more to it, but then when it was brought to my attention what Islwyn is saying, it makes more sense <nympheart> really Islwyn? <Theoriser> I think it's different ways of looking at the same thing <SevenofNine> Hi all. I don't think it could have been Moody because Barty Jr. needed him for the PolyJuice <Aislinn> hey DMD <MrMcGonagall> I think LV thought his murder would be necessary, but then BC Jr and Wormtail managed to overpower him. <Theoriser> they must have thought that the different words were more appropriate for each audience <nympheart> what's the change? <sdcurtis> In the UK it says one more curse or one more obstacale removed <MrMcGonagall> And it was better ot keep him alive. <Whisperwing> It has to mean Harry, he meant to kill Harry once he was reborn <Islwyn13> it says "one more disappearance" in the Bloomsbury edition, doesn't ti? <An_Eternal_Night> doesn't the British edition say, "one more curse..."? <DumbleDebbie> for those of you who might not know the Brit versino says "curse" <Aislinn> it's not Harry <jade_and_diamond_fire> the spanish is also like the uk <nympheart> It was one more murder until LV could get to Harry <Islwyn13> and that would be Moody...so that Barty Jr could take his place <DumbleDebbie> not 'murder' <ProngsPatronus> maybe it was karkaroff <Aislinn> they are talking about one more murder, so that they can get to Harry <Islwyn13> One more curse, that's it, I think <Expelliarmas> if he meant harry, then it would not have been a murder at hogwarts <sdcurtis> it's curse/obstacle removed/curse <Islwyn13> yeah, but there isn't one more murder... <Expelliarmas> LV wants to kill harry himself <nympheart> Curse would be Barty Sr. <nympheart> that makes more sense <Islwyn13> there IS one more obstacle to remove...Moody <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is one more curse, and they were talking about Moody * nympheart is happy now <Aislinn> that we know about islwyn <Theoriser> me too sooner <Expelliarmas> yes, but curse or murder, it has to be at Hogwarts <Islwyn13> I think it would have been revealed to us, though <sdcurtis> could also mean having Dumbledore out of the way <Islwyn13> if there was a murder... <Whisperwing> Oh drat -- cat got the curtain pulled just open enough for the afternoon sun to hit me right in my eye <Aislinn> maybe...... <SevenofNine> At the time the statement was made they were using Barty Sr. and they needed Moody. <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it is an error at the point at which it occurs in the story. LV may have foreseen a need ot murder Moody. <nympheart> no, they hadn't contacted Jr. yet <nympheart> error in the movie <Islwyn13> but not before he got to Harry... <Islwyn13> he wouldn't have killed Moody before getting to Harry...Barty Jr needed MOody alive <jade_and_diamond_fire> oh the movie is making me sooo confused! <Islwyn13> in ORDER to get to Harry <SevenofNine> But they had information that Barty Jr. was there, because Bertha had already been killed. <DumbleDebbie> not really Isl, he could've taken his hair to keep up the polyjuice <ProngsPatronus> does he really need Moody alive? <ProngsPatronus> maybe for info <ProngsPatronus> but not for the Polyjuice <Islwyn13> well, he kept Moody alive for 10 months... <MrMcGonagall> I think it was useful to have him alive, but I don't think he had to be. Hair is dead anyway. Cut some off and use it througout the year. <nympheart> DD said that Moody needed to be a live prisoner <ProngsPatronus> hair is good for that <DMD> yes prongs, for info <Expelliarmas> he needs moody alive until the end of term <DumbleDebbie> right PP <Islwyn13> and DD said he had to in order to make the polyjuice potoin <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, moving on to chapter 2 <SoonerGryffindor> Why did it take Harry so long to think of writing to Sirius for help? <SevenofNine> Well, that's what we were told. <jade_and_diamond_fire> groovy! <nympheart> he's not used to confiding in people <futureweasley> I cry everything I read that <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is because he has never had anyone to go to before <Islwyn13> at this point in the story, he still doesn't know Sirius well... <DumbleDebbie> he's not used to having someone to turn to <Expelliarmas> when has he had an adult to confide in? <ProngsPatronus> because Harry has always been alone in his maind <jade_and_diamond_fire> because he's not using to having Sirius <SevenofNine> Because Harry's not used to having anyone--like a parent--to talk to <sdcurtis> I think it has to do with that he doesn't want to be fussed over <Aislinn> Sirius is still a new opportunity for him <An_Eternal_Night> Harry had only recently learned that Sirius was there for him <Islwyn13> he thought of the people he's closest to firest <Islwyn13> sorry, first <ProngsPatronus> family--new territory for him <futureweasley> he hadn't known about Sirius being on his side for that long...only 2 months <Aislinn> he didn't even know he had a godfather mere weeks before <adamgryff> he's not used to having sirius around so it is natural to go to his friends first <DumbleDebbie> never Expie <cbm> good ?, I think because it is the first time he had to write anyone for help *** Pleshette has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hey pleshette <MrMcGonagall> I think he naturally thinks of his friends first, because he never has had a real parent-type. <DumbleDebbie> hi Pleshette! <nympheart> the first time I read that, I found it a bit odd that Harry trusted Sirius so much already <futureweasley> I think it was natural to think of everyone else first...as they were in his life first <futureweasley> hi Pleshette <An_Eternal_Night> hi Pleshette <adamgryff> hi pleshette <Pleshette> Hi smile <DMD> I don't think he realizes yet the severity of his situation. Those dreams still are just odd and not important....to Harry that it. <Islwyn13> I think Harry trusts his father, and since James trusted Sirius, Harry did too <Islwyn13> and then, later, Sirius earned that trust <ProngsPatronus> yes <futureweasley> agreed DMD <Books_4_eva> still even if he dosn't know sirius that well he was a bit slow at getting to him.... I think it might have been where jk was just reintrodusing the character like how she proclames harry is a wizard for the 1st 3 books <Aislinn> It was a nice way to illustrate the growing relationship between the 2 of them <SoonerGryffindor> I just think it goes to show that he is really starting to see Sirius as his godfather <Expelliarmas> I think he did pickup on the seriousness of the dream, it troubled him so much, his scar hurt and it scared him. He needed to confide in someone who wouldn't freak out <Aislinn> No one met his need except for Sirius <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't really know why he thinks Sirius would know much about his scar tho? <Aislinn> right sooner <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a poignant reminder of how little he has had in the way of healthy relationships with adults <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. Process of elimination. <Theoriser> yeah Aislinn <Fuschia> Gotta go! Thanks guys. <Islwyn13> well, he was worried about his scar hurting, but I"m not sure he realized the dream was as important *** Fuschia has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> bye fuschia <Expelliarmas> Well, jade, he really has no one else; if sirius didn't know, he'd find out though <SoonerGryffindor> for the first time in his life he has an adult that cares and that he can go to. That just makes me so sad <DumbleDebbie> bye Fushia [13:48] <nympheart> I agree Islwyn [13:48] <SevenofNine> Right, Prongs [13:48] <DMD> I think he was confused by it but wasn't ready to blurt out to anyone his fears [13:48] <Aislinn> I think he was quite worried Isl [13:48] <nympheart> that was the first of those dreams he had [13:49] <nympheart> and he didn't remember much of it upon waking [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> it is sad Sooner [13:49] <Islwyn13> he kept going on about his scar hurting, though [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Was Harry dreaming or was he seeing things through LV? [13:49] <Islwyn13> I think that worried him more [13:49] <Books_4_eva> harry took his sweet time telling someone about that dreem [13:49] <sdcurtis> I think he was dreaming. [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> scar-connected phsychic dream [13:49] <Islwyn13> I think he must have been seeing through LV...but we weren't seeing those events through Hrary's dream...we were really there [13:49] <DMD> wrong point of view to be LV [13:49] <nympheart> it was more he was having visions through the scar [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> Dreaming, but it was the connection at work. I don't think he was seeing things through LV's eyes. [13:49] <cbm> seeing things through LV in he dreams [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think it was both [13:49] <Theoriser> seeing things through Lord Voldemort's eyes, through the connection that was starting to grow, I think [13:49] <SevenofNine> Good question Sooner [13:49] <Islwyn13> and Harry was dreaming about the same things at the same time [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> *psychic [13:49] <SevenofNine> I'm not sure we know for sure. [13:49] <Islwyn13> Oh, but wait...he "saw" LV... [13:49] <nympheart> right, MrM, those weren't till later [13:49] <Books_4_eva> no I think it was 3rd person, if he has seen it through voldermorts eywes It would have been riten that way [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry has a nascent gift of clairvoyance [13:49] <Expelliarmas> I think he was dreaming, but he wasn't seeing from LV's pov, it looked like he was seeing from Frank's pov [13:49] <Islwyn13> so it had to be a different PoV [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> He remembered seeing what was in the chair when it turned around. [13:49] <Pleshette> I think it was a bit of both too Prongs [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> we've had a long discussion about this in room 13 [13:49] <adamgryff> it was dreaming but they were somehow connected [13:49] <SevenofNine> It wasn't seen "through the eyes' like the ones in OotP. [13:49] <Aislinn> it seemed a psychic connection to LV [13:50] <futureweasley> astro-projection? [13:50] <nympheart> no, he remembered seeing an old man [13:50] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think it was kind of like a vision but harry just thought it was a dream because he was asleep [13:50] <sdcurtis> I don't think he could see things from Voldemort's POV until Voldemort took his blood [13:50] <Theoriser> just because if he was only dreaming it, he would have to have some sort of other power that hasn't been mentioned yet [13:50] <DMD> agreed aislinn [13:50] <nympheart> that's what I was thinking fw [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was the psychic connection [13:50] <Pleshette> Like he was watching the action [13:50] <Whisperwing> Oh the first dream wasn't from Voldemort's POV so it was more like a prophetic dream, perhaps astral projection [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think so, fw [13:50] <wahinee93> has he seen anything through LV's eyes? [13:50] <SevenofNine> I agree Prongs. I think Harry's gifted more in this are than he knows. [13:50] <Pleshette> similar to a pensieve [13:50] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> at least for part of it [13:50] <Whisperwing> So part of the reason his scar hurt so bad was the snap of returning his astral body to the physical [13:50] <Expelliarmas> he wasn't seeing through LV's eyes, we see what that's like in the next book [13:50] <futureweasley> he was close to LV [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I see the connection getting stronger as Voldemort grows stronger, and the connection changes dramatically after the rebirth. [13:51] <wahinee93> he's dreamt through Nagini, Frank and I'm not sure about the dept.or mysteries [13:51] <futureweasley> which sparked his scar to hurt [13:51] <nympheart> yes MrM! [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry doesnt ever see anything through LV's eyes until LV gets a real body back, a body he got by using Harry's blood. [13:51] <ProngsPatronus> well, LV has the gift of possession This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 4 2006, 03:26 PM |
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