Reading Group Chat - 11/4/06, Chapters 1-5 |
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Expelliarmas, SoonerGryffindor, Aislinn, Theoriser and futureweasley *** futureweasley has joined #lounge *** Aislinn has joined #lounge *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Reading Group Chat: Chapter 1-6 (futureweasley) *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi Prongs! <ProngsPatronus> hello, friends! <futureweasley> how are you doing today? <ProngsPatronus> doing tolerably well, thanks--and you? <ProngsPatronus> my head is full of blood... <ProngsPatronus> LOL <futureweasley> doing headstands again? what did I tell you about those? <futureweasley> wink <ProngsPatronus> I know, I know--I just can't seem to help myself... *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <ProngsPatronus> was it something I sadi? <ProngsPatronus> *said* <futureweasley> no...LOL <futureweasley> I think she might have been lagging <ProngsPatronus> LOL *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi Debbie! <DumbleDebbie> hi biggrin <ProngsPatronus> hi, debbie <DumbleDebbie> hi PP *** nympheart has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi nymph! <nympheart> greetings <DumbleDebbie> hi nymph <ProngsPatronus> hi, nymph <DumbleDebbie> how's everyone? *** cbm has joined #lounge <nympheart> fantastic <futureweasley> hi cbm! *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> :-) <DumbleDebbie> hey cbm <DumbleDebbie> hi whisper <futureweasley> hi Whisperwings <nympheart> hi cbm and whisper <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone, how is it going? <DumbleDebbie> good smile <Whisperwing> Howdy <SoonerGryffindor> that's better <cbm> hi everyone! <futureweasley> red always suits you, Sooner <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I was missing the red ;) <Whisperwing> I'm covered in kitty right now, thanks. <futureweasley> I love kitties!! <DumbleDebbie> is that a good thing Whisper? <Whisperwing> and you, Sooner? <nympheart> lol *** jade_and_diamond_fire has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> good <futureweasley> hi jade <nympheart> hello jade <DumbleDebbie> hi jade <SoonerGryffindor> hi jade <ProngsPatronus> hiya, jade <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi everyone! <Whisperwing> Howdy <futureweasley> partner <DumbleDebbie> lol <ProngsPatronus> lol <futureweasley> it's really COLD here today! <nympheart> here too <futureweasley> high of 42 degrees fahrenheit <DumbleDebbie> yep, here too Future, although at least the sun is out <ProngsPatronus> it is beautiful here, when the sun decides to shine <ProngsPatronus> but I like cold weather *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> where are you PP? <DumbleDebbie> hi Aislinn <ProngsPatronus> AR <futureweasley> wb Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> sorry to hear that guys. Its 58 here, so I guess even though I want to complain, I wont <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi aislinn! <DumbleDebbie> gotcha PP <nympheart> It's 41 here <DumbleDebbie> :p Sooner <nympheart> and it was snowing last night <ProngsPatronus> good football weather <nympheart> but the snow didn't collect on the ground sad <DumbleDebbie> 38 here <futureweasley> yes, there's insane football going on here today <DumbleDebbie> brrr future, that's gonna hurt <futureweasley> biggest High School game of the year has just started <Whisperwing> Eh my hard drive's making this lame scraping noise.... <futureweasley> that's not good Whisper <ProngsPatronus> on a Saturday? <nympheart> I don't really care about football, which means I'm shunned by my city <DumbleDebbie> that sounds bad whisper, have you backed it up lately? <SoonerGryffindor> is there any weather that is not good for football Prongs? :loL <DumbleDebbie> if not, do it right away <cbm> WW get a backup NOW <Whisperwing> oh good it just stopped <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner <futureweasley> yes, Saturday afternoon at 1PM...I thought that was weird <ProngsPatronus> nope <Whisperwing> guess she needed a warm up <ProngsPatronus> cuts into all the college games today <Whisperwing> I think it was the secondary slave drive anyway <ProngsPatronus> weird sceduling <cbm> Wisper, get a backup anyway, just in case <futureweasley> exactly PP, that was my thinking <DumbleDebbie> is that the house-elf drive ;) <ProngsPatronus> have they been trying to clean it again, whisper? * futureweasley offers the chatters Hot Chocolate and mini-marshmellows *** Fuschia has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> you really should talk to them about that... <DumbleDebbie> hi fuschia <DumbleDebbie> thanks future yum! * nympheart takes marshmellows and hot chocolate <futureweasley> hello Fuschia <ProngsPatronus> ooooooooo--yuuummmmm <jade_and_diamond_fire> thanx future! very tasty! <Fuschia> Hello * nympheart starts roasting marshmellows in the fire of her family room <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi fuschia! <Aislinn> perfect refreshment for a cold blusterdy day like today, FW * DumbleDebbie just comes here for the food and the hugs wink <Fuschia> hey *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge * ProngsPatronus starts charring the marshmellows... * nympheart hugs DumbleDebbie *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hugs all around! <futureweasley> lol, I thought you came here just for my sanity's sake, Debbie <DumbleDebbie> lol nymph, thanks <futureweasley> hi stupifiant <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, that too Future ;) <Whisperwing> Aw, that's kind of mean -- this player at the virtual ranching game I play wants to unload a nice little Clydesdale colt just because he's sway backed. <DumbleDebbie> and to harrass Sooner about Snape ;) *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge <stupifiant_horcri> Hi everyone <nympheart> you mean EvilSnape <DumbleDebbie> hi stupifiant <nympheart> hello stupifiant <Aislinn> hi stupifiant <DumbleDebbie> oh, don't get her started nymph ;) <futureweasley> speaking of Snape...that's our WWW chat this week! Hope you can all make it! <stupifiant_horcri> Sorry I havent been discussing alot <Whisperwing> But she wants approval before she'll sell him either, and every time I offer to buy a horse up for sale on approval, I don't hear back from the seller <Whisperwing> Oh yes, Snape <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that should be a dandy Future <Whisperwing> Is that Wednesday? <nympheart> lol, I'll try very hard <jade_and_diamond_fire> oooooooooooooh, Snape, we'll never run out of stuff to say <Fuschia> what's the WWWchat? <stupifiant_horcri> oops, gotta go *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] <futureweasley> or Wednesday chat, Fuschia <Aislinn> it's the chat that is held Wed evening <cbm> Snape, that should be fun! <Whisperwing> Wise Wizard something <jade_and_diamond_fire> too bad i have rehearsal on Wednesday night sad <futureweasley> it's 7-9PM EST Wednesday <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha <Fuschia> Thanks <SoonerGryffindor> you know I will be there <ProngsPatronus> the lovely Wise Wizard Chat <DumbleDebbie> no really Sooner? Shocker! <futureweasley> but of course, Sooner <DumbleDebbie> grin <nympheart> I think I actually don't have rehearsal that day! yes! <Aislinn> Wize Wizard Wednesday whisper <Whisperwing> I will strong arm my way into the chat this week <DumbleDebbie> say that 5 times fast Aislin lol <Whisperwing> Maybe I can talk my daughter into playing her video game that night <SoonerGryffindor> well, since most of the CB staff is under the impression that he is evil, I have to be here to represent <ProngsPatronus> oh, noooooooo <ProngsPatronus> not greasy gitSnape! * futureweasley rolls her eyes <DumbleDebbie> but of course sooner <futureweasley> McSnape is McEvile!! <DumbleDebbie> LOL <Aislinn> we'll have the muffle handy for Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> kik <nympheart> lol <DumbleDebbie> lol <nympheart> I think Snape is independent, but evil <jade_and_diamond_fire> lol x100000 future! <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha <futureweasley> but that's all for wednesday * futureweasley buttons up her lip now <ProngsPatronus> you don't want to now what I think of him <SoonerGryffindor> yes, today we will be talking about chapters 1-6 <SoonerGryffindor> and I cant wait <DumbleDebbie> yay! <nympheart> of my fav HP book <futureweasley> yes I do, Prongs, and I hope to see you Wednesday! <ProngsPatronus> my favourite book--yay! <Whisperwing> I offered a theory about him, how maybe the whole reason he even went to Voldemort's side in the first place was to work himself into a position where he could get revenge on him for having killed his mother, Eileen Prince, for being a Muggle lover who dared marry and breed with one.... <Whisperwing> but that's not for today <nympheart> I wrote and essay for Scribbulus about him, but it needs edited <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww <futureweasley> lol Whisper, it's a good one <SoonerGryffindor> there is a good thread in the Nook dealing with that <futureweasley> Snape's Loyalty, Sooner? <SoonerGryffindor> no <SoonerGryffindor> about Snape;s mother <Whisperwing> OH, ooh! And maybe the reason he had to spit that snide comment about Lily was to keep his cover, he was already deep into... yeah... okay * Whisperwing hushes <DumbleDebbie> lol <Whisperwing> Hard though, when inspired thought strikes <futureweasley> lol, it's easy to get going about Snape <cbm> That is better than some of the theories I have seen <futureweasley> so, we will on Wednesday...I promise <nympheart> Well, you can say it wednesday, write it down <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* <SoonerGryffindor> but for now........ <Whisperwing> Sweet <ProngsPatronus> just for you, sooner, future, and Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> GoF <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> GoF opens with Frank Bryce accused of murdering the Muggle Riddle family and being acquitted in Little Hangleton. He was accused, but someone else (three guesses who) did the deed. An autopsy revealed no internal or external damage. Fast forward 50 years. Bryce is 76, but still the house caretaker. Someone owned the house for tax reasons. He found the rat tending to LV. <SoonerGryffindor> Peter tried to dissuade LV from using Harry for the plan. Pettigrew was to murder another person to get to Harry, but it is unclear to whom they referred. By then, LV would have a faithful servant (one with the brains and unwavering loyalty the rat lacks) at Hogwarts. LV offered to allow Peter the chance to perform a service that many faithful DEs would give their right hands to do. <SoonerGryffindor> Nagini told LV of Frank’s presence. Frank was paralyzed with fear. He valiantly stood up to LV and in a flash of green light ... he was no more. 200 miles away ... Harry awoke with a start–his scar hurting. He tries to remember his dream, but it only comes in bits and pieces. He can’t remember what LV said and that scares him <SoonerGryffindor> Needing to talk to someone, and after a lot of thought, Harry writes Sirius a letter. He admits to his pain and fear. Later that morning, Harry goes down to breakfast. Everyone is on a diet because Dudley is on one. The post arrives bringing a letter from Mrs. Weasley. Harry’s invited to the Quidditch World Cup. <SoonerGryffindor> Harry awaited the Weasleys who traveled by Floo powder. The fireplace was blocked. Arthur blasted it apart. Fred and George got Harry’s trunk. As Fred steps into the fireplace, he “drops” a pocketful of sweets. Dudley wolfed one down. Before Harry Floos off, he hears Dudley gagging on the ground from eating the bewitched candy. As Arthur tries to help, Vernon loses it and starts chucking knickknacks at him. Harry nar <SoonerGryffindor> At the Burrow, Harry meets Bill and Charlie. Hermione is already there. Percy now works at the MoM and has become even more pompous. Arthur gives Fred and George a piece of his mind for the toffee incident. Harry learns about Weasleys Wizard Wheezes. <SoonerGryffindor> The next day, Harry, Hermione, and the Weasleys (sans Molly) meet up with Cedric and Amos Diggory. Amos needles Harry about the Quidditch match which Harry lost in PoA–to Cedric’s Hufflepuff team. Cedric seemed embarrassed by his dad. They take a Portkey to the QWC. <SoonerGryffindor> Up to speed? Good! Let’s talk about the first six chapters of GoF. <SoonerGryffindor> Why didn’t Bryce leave after the case against him was dropped? Why did he stay in Little Hangleton? <DumbleDebbie> It was his home *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> hi expie <Aislinn> hey Expie! <SoonerGryffindor> I also dont think he had anywhere to go <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie <futureweasley> I think it's in his personality not to leave...not to care about what others think, and just stick to himself <sdcurtis> He probably didn't have anywhere to go <Expelliarmas> heya my peepers, sorry for being so late <nympheart> Frank is the best example of a muggle we've seen <futureweasley> hi Expie <cbm> I think maybe he was damaged by the war and stayed with that he knew <ProngsPatronus> because he is a good soldier <SoonerGryffindor> I agree nymph <Aislinn> I agree prongs <futureweasley> yes cbm...that makes sense <ProngsPatronus> and a good soldier stays at his post <Aislinn> he stays to do what he sees as his duty *** wahinee93 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> yes <DumbleDebbie> hi wahinee <futureweasley> he dug his heels in...by leaving, he would have proved to the townspeople that he WAS guilty <wahinee93> hi =] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think, because he didn't have family, he felt very attached to the house! <nympheart> he's very brave <nympheart> Frank kind of still lives in the war *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi wahinee <DumbleDebbie> good pont FW <sdcurtis> exactly who else is going to want to even work at the house after what happened <wahinee93> hi <Aislinn> hi Islwyn smile <nympheart> when confronting LV he thought of how things were during the war <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Isl <DumbleDebbie> hi Islwyn <ProngsPatronus> besides--it says he loves the gardens <Islwyn13> Greetings, all! <nympheart> hellow islwyn *** Islwyn13 has quit [Bye] <Whisperwing> I actually think that he didn't much care what those people thought of his guilt or innocence. <ProngsPatronus> hi, islwyn <jade_and_diamond_fire> Islwyn! now its a party! smile <SoonerGryffindor> Why were the Villagers so quick to suspect Bryce, after first thinking he couldn’t be guilty? <nympheart> because people are fickle <DumbleDebbie> maybe because he was a loner? <wahinee93> because he was reserved <Aislinn> I think that's common - a case of group think <SoonerGryffindor> I think it just goes to show human nature <nympheart> they needed someone to blame <Aislinn> mob mentality <sdcurtis> because it's a small town and he kept to himself it seems. People need something to talk about *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> because they had to suspect someone, and he was convenient <jade_and_diamond_fire> people always suspect loners! i think he was kind of like Boo Radley <Expelliarmas> the villagers got caught up on "group think" someone had to be guilty and they totally got carried away <Islwyn13> testing... <SoonerGryffindor> we've seen the same happen with Harry <wahinee93> yeah, actually i think it says that <DumbleDebbie> mob mentality is scary <futureweasley> it was the only logical explanation...and "mob mentality" set in <nympheart> true sooner <Islwyn13> ah, NOW it works smile <Islwyn13> Hi, guys <jade_and_diamond_fire> i agree about the mob mentality <Whisperwing> For the same reason veterans coming home from the Vietnam War were treated with mistrust -- once you go out into the world with a mission of killing, it becomes easy to be seen as a killer irregardless <nympheart> brb <sdcurtis> Although I do find it interesting that no one liked the Riddles, but they darn sure wanted to know who killed them <Islwyn13> well, sure, there might've been a murderer running around their village <Whisperwing> Just like everyone wanted to know who shot JR on Dallas <ProngsPatronus> they also didn't want it to be one of "them" <jade_and_diamond_fire> pple were just bored <wahinee93> well it sounds like they were all poor, so they'd have a natural jealousy of some rich people <Islwyn13> that, and the Riddles treated everyone horribly... <DumbleDebbie> in a small town everyone knows everythign about everyone else <Islwyn13> at least, Tom SR seemed to <jade_and_diamond_fire> particularly if the rich people owned the town <futureweasley> Jo makes a point to say that noone really cared that the Riddles were gone <Whisperwing> Less so if they were philanthropic wealthy folks who do for the comminuty instead of snobs <SoonerGryffindor> I still wonder why the cook was not a suspect since she was actually in the house, but I guess Frank made an easer target <Whisperwing> community^ <futureweasley> but the townspeople didn't want a "murderer" in their ranks <wahinee93> truth <ProngsPatronus> exactly <wahinee93> and the cook hung out with them at the pub <jade_and_diamond_fire> maybe because she is a woman? <wahinee93> so they wouldn't suspect a friend <jade_and_diamond_fire> it was the 1940's <Expelliarmas> actually, I think the villagers were thrilled to have the murder in their town, certainly gave them something to go on about <wahinee93> well, any man or woman might kill for money <sdcurtis> I'm wondering if Frank wasn't a native of the town <DumbleDebbie> yeah, she was definitely in the gossip grapevine <Whisperwing> Easier to blame the loner than the person you have to look in the face daily. <Islwyn13> well, the police were from Greater Hangleton, weren't they? <futureweasley> too true Expie <Aislinn> the cook probably knew everyone more, and he stayed to himself <SoonerGryffindor> they could gossip all they wanted <wahinee93> yeah they were <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie <Islwyn13> they might not have been friendly with the cook, so I agree, why wasn't she suspect? <Expelliarmas> it gave them a legend, especially when it wasn't solved <sdcurtis> true <wahinee93> she may have been, but the police probably ruled her out <SoonerGryffindor> Did it seem to you the Rat was trying to talk Voldemort out of using Harry for The Plan? <Islwyn13> yeah, probably <Whisperwing> Besides which, murder mysteries were already cliches with servants who kill their masters at that time. *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge <futureweasley> Frank wasn't there to defend himself or to give his alibi...they were only getting information from someone they thought trustworthy <cbm> Yes <Whisperwing> Yes it did <ProngsPatronus> her job gave her cache' <Aislinn> Yes Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> I dont know, I dont think he tried very har <DumbleDebbie> only because he was scared, not for Harry's benefit <ProngsPatronus> yes <Islwyn13> yeah, but was he doing it because he thought it'd be too dangerous, or because he felt he owed Harry? <cbm> I think he realized he had made a mistake <Whisperwing> I think it was more because getting Harry Potter would hard. It's hard work. <wahinee93> no, i think pettigrew didn't want to do anything complicated <Islwyn13> yueah, what DumbleDebbie said smile <Aislinn> I think he was reluctant to put himself in the risk he knew he would have to face, maneuvering Harry into being caught <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think Peter wanted to get voldie into his body asap because he was disgusted to take care of him <Expelliarmas> I thought so, from the way the convesation was going, of course, I don't know why he tried to dissuade LV * Whisperwing ends Dubya impression <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it is ever one reason with Peter <futureweasley> I don't think that was Pettigrew's main motivation <sdcurtis> I think Pettigrew didn't like the high risk factor <SoonerGryffindor> I think if he did it from a debt POV, he would have tried harder <wahinee93> yeah that too <Aislinn> I don't think it had anything to do with the life debt <Fuschia> Maybe he had a house elf type loyalty to the family? <DumbleDebbie> I think the debt thing might manifest in an unconscious action, not a decision by Peter <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ann <nympheart> I think PP thought he was repaying the debt <cbm> I think VD was using legimancy, so I think he knew what Peter was thinking <Islwyn13> I wonder if he realizes he has a life debt to Harry? I don't thin khe does <DumbleDebbie> Peter was scared of all the security around Harry <futureweasley> as someone very wise once said, using someone else would have ended Pettigrew's "nanny gig" quickly, and that suited Peter just fine <wahinee93> debbie that's a really good theory <ProngsPatronus> I thjink that Peter hoped he would be repaying the debt <jade_and_diamond_fire> particularly since dd now knows that Peter betrayed the potters <wahinee93> he loathed his nanny gig <DumbleDebbie> thanks wahinee <Aislinn> exactly debbie *** dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] <sdcurtis> Caring for Voldemort can't exactly be a plesent thing <wahinee93> LV himself said he could tell pettigrew didnt like to look at him <jade_and_diamond_fire> of course <nympheart> yes, wahinee <Islwyn13> who would? smile <DumbleDebbie> lol sdcurtis <Whisperwing> Oh yes, and heaven forbid Pettigrew do anything that was difficult, whatever was easiest and put him furthest ahead of his enemies, that's what makes Peter Pettirgew's whiskers twitch <ProngsPatronus> me thinks she would loathe being nanny to BabyMort, too <Aislinn> he figured it would be less risk to his own skin to go after another wizard, as he knew Harry was being watched by DD,a nd the whole wizarding community <wahinee93> bellatrix would <jade_and_diamond_fire> yes, Whisper *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge <Whisperwing> Bellatrix was still in Azkaban then <futureweasley> hi MrMcG <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M! <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! <Islwyn13> well, Bellatrix is off her meds, though smile <nympheart> Hi MrM <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M <Islwyn13> Heya, MrM smile <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi MrMcG! <DumbleDebbie> lol Isl <wahinee93> if she was able too, she'd jump at the chance to take care of him <sdcurtis> HIs cover had been blown sort of and if it was exposed any more he'd be in deep weeds <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Pettigrew told Voldemort how he escaped from Sirius and Remus? Do you think he revealed the existence of the “life debt?” If not, how did he hide it? Does Pettigrew have more talent than for which we credit him? <Aislinn> Hi Mr M smile <ProngsPatronus> hi, Mr. mcG <DumbleDebbie> yes, he does have more talent <Islwyn13> I doubt he told LV <wahinee93> of course <Whisperwing> I think Voldemort lifted it from his mind while he tried to conceal it. <nympheart> I think he has more talent, but I think his cowardice usually cancels it out <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't think he told Voldie, because Voldie would be very concerned/upset <Aislinn> I think he is very sly and clever, and probably a bit more talented than he is given credit for <Expelliarmas> No way he told LV. I think he hid it somehow. Maybe he does have more talent--at least for misdirection <Islwyn13> and again, I'm not sure Pettigrew truly realizes he has a life debt <DumbleDebbie> as to the debt, he could hide it from Voldy if he doesn't realize it himself <ProngsPatronus> I think that Peter was average only by comparison <futureweasley> I think he didn't tell LV, but he does have more talent than we give him credit for <Aislinn> I don't think he brought up the life debt at all <MrMcGonagall> I think Voldemort knows about the circumstances, but I don't think he understands the true nature of life debts. <nympheart> I don't think PP volunteered the information, but I think LV found out <nympheart> I agree MrM <Whisperwing> Well it had to be some powerful magic to blow up a city street <wahinee93> he probably is good at occlumency, he obviously can shut his feelings aside, betraying his best friend and sticking the other in jail *** adamgryff has joined #lounge <cbm> I think Voldemort may of figured it out <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Adam! <DumbleDebbie> adam!!! hug <Aislinn> I don't think it would have been in LV's radar, as he would consider it irrelevant <sdcurtis> I think peter is more talented than anyone gives him credit for. I don't think Voldemort would have been too terribly concerned to search his mind. <futureweasley> hi Adam <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam <ProngsPatronus> hey, adam! <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. <Islwyn13> well, occlumency and legilimency are supposed to be "obscure branches of magic" aren't tehy? <nympheart> Hi adam <adamgryff> hi, everyone it's been a long day <Islwyn13> I'm not sure Pettigrew would have leanred Occlumency <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, LV has a tendency to underestimate problems <wahinee93> but he may be a natural <Islwyn13> Hi, Adam! <DumbleDebbie> welcome to the fun adam smile <ProngsPatronus> it is part of the Old magic, life debts <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi adam smile <adamgryff> what are we discussing <sdcurtis> yes it is <Islwyn13> I don't know, Pettigrew seems to wear his emotions on his sleeve <wahinee93> occlumency is important enough for snape, dumbledore and LV to study... <futureweasley> we are talking Peter and whether or not he told LV about escaping Sirius and Remus <DumbleDebbie> if Voldy knows about Peter's life debt <Islwyn13> I don't think he's too good at it <SoonerGryffindor> we are on chapter one right now adam <cbm> I think VD searches minds out of habit <wahinee93> i think peter is the type who would cry at anything because he's a wimp <ProngsPatronus> and Old Magic is something that Voldemort despises and discounts <wahinee93> not that he let's out all his feelings to any sap who would listen <MrMcGonagall> I think the concept of honor which is the basis of a life debt is incomprehensible to LV. <Whisperwing> Jumping ahead to HBP, SNape surely seems to be needling Pettigrew about 'what he's up to' by listening at doors, as though he knows perfectly well, being such a skilled Legilimens himself. So surely Voldemort wouldn't have to search to see the truth of how Peter was found out. <Islwyn13> true, wahinee, but DD adn LV are exceptional, and Snape is...well, he's Snape <ProngsPatronus> me, too, Mr. McG <Islwyn13> I'm just saying I dont' think everyone has been taught those skills, of occlumency and Legilimency <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that rat boy is better than we give him credit for, and that he has hidden the life debt so far *** Theoriser has joined #lounge <wahinee93> hahah I think snape is exceptional <futureweasley> hi Theoriser <DumbleDebbie> hi theo <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi theoriser! <Theoriser> hi everyone smile <ProngsPatronus> theoriser :-) <Expelliarmas> he has to have more talent to have survived this long <nympheart> I think LV would have been suspicious when Wormtail said use someone else <Aislinn> hi theoriser <SoonerGryffindor> hi theoriser <wahinee93> its like malfoy would be better at occlumency naturally, maybe pettigrew is like that <ProngsPatronus> Peter has a genius for survival <Islwyn13> Snape said LV could "almost always" tell when someoene was lying to him, but I got th efeeling tha tLV didn't really read minids <jade_and_diamond_fire> suspicious and angry <futureweasley> yes Prongs, I totally agree <cbm> Read SHe has proved he can act when needed, so maybe in a moment of desparation he will help Harry in some way <Aislinn> why would LV care about the life debt at all? Its not a concept he believes in or relates to <Islwyn13> so if Pettigrew said nothing about what happened with Sirius and Lupin, he wouldn't be lying, and LV wouldn't be able to catch him in it <nympheart> I don't see LV as the trusting sort, so i think he uses Legillimency often <futureweasley> he understands necessity and has the tools to get what he needs <jade_and_diamond_fire> if LV is weak or tired, could that maybe affect his ability to read minds? <ProngsPatronus> which is a telent his fellow marauders could ahve used a time or two <Islwyn13> plus, LV has a tendency to underestimate people...he may have felt that Pettigrew wouldn't dare hide something from him, so why look for it? <nympheart> he knew Frank was lying though jade <ProngsPatronus> yes, fw <SoonerGryffindor> What form do you suppose Voldemort had taken? Was he an it or human-like? <nympheart> it <cbm> But LV can ask him questions and hone in on the truth, much like Snape in PoA when Harry was in Hogsmeade <jade_and_diamond_fire> good point nymp! <futureweasley> totally an "it" <wahinee93> bloodless baby? <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a parody of a human baby <DumbleDebbie> fetus-like (puke) <MrMcGonagall> I think he was more of an it. <adamgryff> he was a it <futureweasley> an "it" with teeth and hair <sdcurtis> it...although do you really want to think about it.*shudders* <Theoriser> I think he was an it <Expelliarmas> no way he was human, but disgusting <wahinee93> i don't think he has hair with a body <Aislinn> he was a humonculus, or however you spell that <Theoriser> he looks like a human, but I dont' think he is <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, I was about to say that <Theoriser> *was <wahinee93> so then was that his bodyless form <Expelliarmas> Aislinn? huh? <SoonerGryffindor> and I googled that and it is disgusting <wahinee93> or did he take the body of something else? <Islwyn13> I agree, Ais <Whisperwing> Remember that fetal thing in 2001: A Space Oddysey? Something like that, only also somewhat newt-like.... <ProngsPatronus> homonculus * Expelliarmas needs to crack open a dictionary *** Hagiographer13 has joined #lounge <DumbleDebbie> yeah, someone linked to Wiki for that homonculus thing <futureweasley> I envisioned one of those tumors that has teeth and hair that gets removed from people...it's totally a sick thought, but that's what I pictured <Whisperwing> And I'm going to say it one more time, the materials for his new body came from the remains of Bertha Jorkins <MrMcGonagall> Gross, FW! <wahinee93> i pictured a fat worm thing <futureweasley> lol <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, really gross! * ProngsPatronus starts to think longingly of clean and natural things <sdcurtis> there's an unplesent thought <wahinee93> hahah Bertha Jorkins' leg? <jade_and_diamond_fire> what I pictured was pretty much like what's in the movie <MrMcGonagall> You're about right, though, FW. The movie didn't do the ugliness justice. <ProngsPatronus> or the horror *** cbm has quit [Bye] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i'm still confused about how he's holding a wand tho? <DumbleDebbie> teratocarcinoma <MrMcGonagall> Little shriveled arms. <wahinee93> in his mouth <SoonerGryffindor> ewww <futureweasley> I see him as a formless blog...think Jabba the Hut, but smaller <jade_and_diamond_fire> really, because i almost threw up during the movie <wahinee93> or wait, wandless magic <DumbleDebbie> lol FW <Theoriser> lol future <Islwyn13> homunculus...kinda like a golem <SoonerGryffindor> Who do you think owned the Riddle House? <Theoriser> that's probably right <DumbleDebbie> that's funny! little Jabba <Islwyn13> a created "little man" *** cbm has joined #lounge <wahinee93> Jabba JR. <Islwyn13> it's a long article in Wiki smile <futureweasley> The Riddles, definitely <ProngsPatronus> Jabba the Doll Hutt? <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, but Jabba is funny gross, and Voldie is just gross <wahinee93> lol <DumbleDebbie> yep Isl, I think that's how it's explained <sdcurtis> I'm not sure who owned it <Whisperwing> He has to still have a snakiness to him, of course, that became so much of his identity in his later life before the attack on the Potters that it would be imprinted on the remaining bit of his soul, which is probably why he was nourished by the venom milked from Nagini's fangs. <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Lucius managed all of the details under commands from LV <Aislinn> hahaha FW <MrMcGonagall> My first inclination was to say Lucius Malfoy, but after the discussion in our group I have no idea. <Expelliarmas> I think it belonged to LV <Islwyn13> just tryig to be helpful blushing <Whisperwing> I thought it might be Lucius too <DumbleDebbie> some random rich Muggle now <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think Lucius owned it <SoonerGryffindor> so I think that on paper, it is Lucius, but he only did it cause LV asked him to <wahinee93> I wouldn't be surprised if LV took his father's money *** Books_4_eva has joined #lounge <Theoriser> Mr Malfoy owning it is a really nice idea <MrMcGonagall> I think I agree, Sooner. <Aislinn> I think LV owned it, but under a pseudonym <wahinee93> what would he need it for? <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi eva! <DumbleDebbie> hi books <Books_4_eva> hi <futureweasley> maybe Dumbledore owned it <ProngsPatronus> I don't think LV would give any Death Eater that much insight into his past <SoonerGryffindor> hi books <cbm> Malfoy would not of kept frank employed <Expelliarmas> he doesn't need it, but it is a trophy <futureweasley> just to keep it safe from "wrongdoing" <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, he gave him the diary <MrMcGonagall> He didn't need to tell Lucius or whoever about the history of the place. <wahinee93> so...any horcruxes in the house? <Islwyn13> I think that's possible... <wahinee93> if it's a trophy i mean <SoonerGryffindor> that is not the question wahinee <jade_and_diamond_fire> he didn't have to explain it to Voldie, lucius would just follow the order <Theoriser> I don't know how true it is, I think it may just be a random muggle that owns it <wahinee93> oh whoops <sdcurtis> I am inclined to lean towards Voldemort owning it because the house was falling into disrepair and what better way to keep people away from it then that. <Whisperwing> After all, Lucius was left in charge of the diary, another precious relic of Voldemort's heritage, proof he was the Heir of Slytherin, why wouldn't he also have put the ownership of the Riddle house under Malfoy's care? <adamgryff> I agree theoriser <ProngsPatronus> histories of the house come with a deed search, esp if it was abandoned <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think there's definitely a horcrux there <cbm> I think a randem muggle owns it. <Islwyn13> too many eggs in one basket <SoonerGryffindor> I agree WW <ProngsPatronus> I agree, theoriser <futureweasley> I'm thinking that DD bought it and kept Frank employed <DumbleDebbie> mee too cbm <futureweasley> to watch over it <MrMcGonagall> He may have just said, "Make sure no one else buys this house," and he would be obeyed. <Islwyn13> I don't think LV would give a DE more than one important thing <cbm> random, I know that is not an exciting theory <Islwyn13> in case they screwed up (see Lucius) <SoonerGryffindor> I dont buy that DD knew anything till the end of GoF about the Riddle house *** nympheart has quit [Bye] <DumbleDebbie> If DD owned it wouldn't have have placed some security on it <Whisperwing> He had that diary and had no idea of the true value of it, any more than the would the house.... <jade_and_diamond_fire> well then another DE maybe? <SoonerGryffindor> if he did, things would not have happened as they did in the end *** nympheart has joined #lounge <wahinee93> well if Tom Riddle exists still on paper * cbm I hit tabs and peoples names pop in <Aislinn> why wouldn't LV own it himself? <Expelliarmas> LV wouldn't need anyone's help to get the house; he could put anyone under the imperio curse and transfer ownership to a non-existant name <Whisperwing> Lucius is the only weaalthy Death Eater I know of. <wahinee93> I'm sure he could make the DE's pay dues and what not and keep the house under his own name, why not'? <Whisperwing> LV was Vapomort for most of those years <futureweasley> whose name, cbm? <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, there's still lots of DE's we don't know about *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge <futureweasley> hi AEN <nympheart> Hi AEN <DumbleDebbie> hi AEN <jade_and_diamond_fire> Vapomort, lol ;) <wahinee93> he may have signed rights to the house while pre-Harry <Islwyn13> Honestly, I think it's a red herring <Theoriser> but then again, how would he know it was a safe place to hide out unless he knew the owner wouldn't turn up suddenly? <Aislinn> hey AEN <An_Eternal_Night> hey everyone! glad I remembered <nympheart> I don't think it's LV's <Expelliarmas> folks assume LV would have needed help while he was vapormort, but he likely did it before the curse backfired <MrMcGonagall> Given the fact that nobody in the village knows so much as a name, I'm thinking it must be someone in the wizarding world, atleast. <Islwyn13> probably is just some rich guy looking for a tax benefit <ProngsPatronus> hey, AEN <Whisperwing> There's an NAQ to hand over to Jo, yeah? <nympheart> does LV even have money? <DumbleDebbie> there was ivy covering the door and a thick layer of dust. it was obviously not inhabited <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Voldemort’s taunting of Pettigrew? <Aislinn> right - he killed the Riddles decades before Harry was born <Islwyn13> LV loves power <futureweasley> cruel...token Voldemort <wahinee93> he's bored <Whisperwing> He has charisma and intimidation, what does he need money for? <nympheart> typical LV <Islwyn13> he had lots of power over Pettigrew, and was relishing in it <sdcurtis> yeah, but tax purposes sounds like something a wizard would say without raising too much suspicion <SoonerGryffindor> I think he could hav been a little more grateful <MrMcGonagall> I think it's probably the way he is with most of the DEs. <Expelliarmas> because he can and likely does it to all DEs <nympheart> i'd be irritable too if I were in that state <wahinee93> even as a Jabba thing <DumbleDebbie> he does that to control Peter <ProngsPatronus> lol--he has a kind of ruined grandeur about him, our Voldemort <adamgryff> Voldemort at his best <Theoriser> he knows how to control him <futureweasley> lol Wahinee <nympheart> I didn't feel particularly sorry for Peter <Fuschia> He does it to keep him insecure and under control <Aislinn> yes, debbie, it is his means of control <DumbleDebbie> to keep him subservient mentally, since he can't do it physically (yet) <ProngsPatronus> with that same raddled sense of nobesse oblige <jade_and_diamond_fire> its harder to control ppl if your nice to them <Islwyn13> I was surprised that Pettigrew was arguing back with LV! <cbm> I think in the end treating Pettigrew like that will be a mistake, as I think Pettigrew will lash out at some point <Islwyn13> like a petulent child <Whisperwing> The book Oettigrew is kind of pitiable though, kind of like the ruins of Smeagol within Gollum. <Whisperwing> Pettigrew^ <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cbm. <SoonerGryffindor> I agree cbm, I think that will come back to bite him on the behind <ProngsPatronus> well, one does not corner a rat <Books_4_eva> he does it because he can, it's voldermorts way of controling people. He makes them feal guilty then <Books_4_eva> uses it against them# <Aislinn> right - eventually, he will strike back <adamgryff> very true prongs <Theoriser> I agree books <jade_and_diamond_fire> not sure that Pettigrew is quite that far, but nice Smeagol connection, certainly has the annoying voice <Whisperwing> Oh, and of course Saruman belittling Wormtongue after he flees to be with him in Orthanc. <futureweasley> LV's a jerk, and he doesn't think much of Peter, even though Peter is saving him. It's awful, but Peter sets himself up to be unappreciated * ProngsPatronus thinks that Voldemort and Peter deserve each other <wahinee93> I can't see him striking back, but I could see him seeking revenge <nympheart> That was more what I saw whisper <MrMcGonagall> I just remember what Jo has Sirius (I think) say about the little guys rising up against their tyrannical oppressorl. <SoonerGryffindor> yes Mr M, I like that comparison <nympheart> nice MrM <Whisperwing> And we can't forget it was Wormtongue's hand that brought Saruman down in the end. <Aislinn> I think that was DD Mr M, but definitely *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge <wahinee93> I don't think JKR would parallel LOTR that much.... <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 <adamgryff> hi seven <SoonerGryffindor> Who do you think was supposed to be the murder victim at Hogwarts? <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi sevenof nine! <Expelliarmas> heya 7 <Aislinn> welcome seven <SevenofNine> Woot! I finally got in! <MrMcGonagall> Moody. <An_Eternal_Night> hi Seven <futureweasley> that's interesting, MrMcG...I always assumed that she was referring to either HouseElves or Goblins <DumbleDebbie> Moody <Whisperwing> Um, the premise predates LOTR too. <nympheart> I don't know... <SoonerGryffindor> hi seven! <Islwyn13> ah...I think that was a poor edit by Scholastic smile <Aislinn> I think it must have been Moody <ProngsPatronus> hey, seven <Islwyn13> I don't think it was meant to say "one more murder"... *** DMD has joined #lounge <futureweasley> yes Islwyn....it was * nympheart is frustrated by lack of an answer <DMD> greetings!! <Islwyn13> the Bloomsbury edition makes more sense <Aislinn> but they've never corrected it islwyn <Books_4_eva> well I don't think it was moody... he wasn't exactly in the way and barty needed him <futureweasley> hi DMD <Aislinn> they've had opportunities <DumbleDebbie> hi DMD! <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, that change between the editions is soooo confusing <Islwyn13> I'm not sure they realize the importance of thier changes <SoonerGryffindor> I used to think there was more to it, but then when it was brought to my attention what Islwyn is saying, it makes more sense <nympheart> really Islwyn? <Theoriser> I think it's different ways of looking at the same thing <SevenofNine> Hi all. I don't think it could have been Moody because Barty Jr. needed him for the PolyJuice <Aislinn> hey DMD <MrMcGonagall> I think LV thought his murder would be necessary, but then BC Jr and Wormtail managed to overpower him. <Theoriser> they must have thought that the different words were more appropriate for each audience <nympheart> what's the change? <sdcurtis> In the UK it says one more curse or one more obstacale removed <MrMcGonagall> And it was better ot keep him alive. <Whisperwing> It has to mean Harry, he meant to kill Harry once he was reborn <Islwyn13> it says "one more disappearance" in the Bloomsbury edition, doesn't ti? <An_Eternal_Night> doesn't the British edition say, "one more curse..."? <DumbleDebbie> for those of you who might not know the Brit versino says "curse" <Aislinn> it's not Harry <jade_and_diamond_fire> the spanish is also like the uk <nympheart> It was one more murder until LV could get to Harry <Islwyn13> and that would be Moody...so that Barty Jr could take his place <DumbleDebbie> not 'murder' <ProngsPatronus> maybe it was karkaroff <Aislinn> they are talking about one more murder, so that they can get to Harry <Islwyn13> One more curse, that's it, I think <Expelliarmas> if he meant harry, then it would not have been a murder at hogwarts <sdcurtis> it's curse/obstacle removed/curse <Islwyn13> yeah, but there isn't one more murder... <Expelliarmas> LV wants to kill harry himself <nympheart> Curse would be Barty Sr. <nympheart> that makes more sense <Islwyn13> there IS one more obstacle to remove...Moody <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is one more curse, and they were talking about Moody * nympheart is happy now <Aislinn> that we know about islwyn <Theoriser> me too sooner <Expelliarmas> yes, but curse or murder, it has to be at Hogwarts <Islwyn13> I think it would have been revealed to us, though <sdcurtis> could also mean having Dumbledore out of the way <Islwyn13> if there was a murder... <Whisperwing> Oh drat -- cat got the curtain pulled just open enough for the afternoon sun to hit me right in my eye <Aislinn> maybe...... <SevenofNine> At the time the statement was made they were using Barty Sr. and they needed Moody. <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it is an error at the point at which it occurs in the story. LV may have foreseen a need ot murder Moody. <nympheart> no, they hadn't contacted Jr. yet <nympheart> error in the movie <Islwyn13> but not before he got to Harry... <Islwyn13> he wouldn't have killed Moody before getting to Harry...Barty Jr needed MOody alive <jade_and_diamond_fire> oh the movie is making me sooo confused! <Islwyn13> in ORDER to get to Harry <SevenofNine> But they had information that Barty Jr. was there, because Bertha had already been killed. <DumbleDebbie> not really Isl, he could've taken his hair to keep up the polyjuice <ProngsPatronus> does he really need Moody alive? <ProngsPatronus> maybe for info <ProngsPatronus> but not for the Polyjuice <Islwyn13> well, he kept Moody alive for 10 months... <MrMcGonagall> I think it was useful to have him alive, but I don't think he had to be. Hair is dead anyway. Cut some off and use it througout the year. <nympheart> DD said that Moody needed to be a live prisoner <ProngsPatronus> hair is good for that <DMD> yes prongs, for info <Expelliarmas> he needs moody alive until the end of term <DumbleDebbie> right PP <Islwyn13> and DD said he had to in order to make the polyjuice potoin <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, moving on to chapter 2 <SoonerGryffindor> Why did it take Harry so long to think of writing to Sirius for help? <SevenofNine> Well, that's what we were told. <jade_and_diamond_fire> groovy! <nympheart> he's not used to confiding in people <futureweasley> I cry everything I read that <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is because he has never had anyone to go to before <Islwyn13> at this point in the story, he still doesn't know Sirius well... <DumbleDebbie> he's not used to having someone to turn to <Expelliarmas> when has he had an adult to confide in? <ProngsPatronus> because Harry has always been alone in his maind <jade_and_diamond_fire> because he's not using to having Sirius <SevenofNine> Because Harry's not used to having anyone--like a parent--to talk to <sdcurtis> I think it has to do with that he doesn't want to be fussed over <Aislinn> Sirius is still a new opportunity for him <An_Eternal_Night> Harry had only recently learned that Sirius was there for him <Islwyn13> he thought of the people he's closest to firest <Islwyn13> sorry, first <ProngsPatronus> family--new territory for him <futureweasley> he hadn't known about Sirius being on his side for that long...only 2 months <Aislinn> he didn't even know he had a godfather mere weeks before <adamgryff> he's not used to having sirius around so it is natural to go to his friends first <DumbleDebbie> never Expie <cbm> good ?, I think because it is the first time he had to write anyone for help *** Pleshette has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hey pleshette <MrMcGonagall> I think he naturally thinks of his friends first, because he never has had a real parent-type. <DumbleDebbie> hi Pleshette! <nympheart> the first time I read that, I found it a bit odd that Harry trusted Sirius so much already <futureweasley> I think it was natural to think of everyone else first...as they were in his life first <futureweasley> hi Pleshette <An_Eternal_Night> hi Pleshette <adamgryff> hi pleshette <Pleshette> Hi smile <DMD> I don't think he realizes yet the severity of his situation. Those dreams still are just odd and not important....to Harry that it. <Islwyn13> I think Harry trusts his father, and since James trusted Sirius, Harry did too <Islwyn13> and then, later, Sirius earned that trust <ProngsPatronus> yes <futureweasley> agreed DMD <Books_4_eva> still even if he dosn't know sirius that well he was a bit slow at getting to him.... I think it might have been where jk was just reintrodusing the character like how she proclames harry is a wizard for the 1st 3 books <Aislinn> It was a nice way to illustrate the growing relationship between the 2 of them <SoonerGryffindor> I just think it goes to show that he is really starting to see Sirius as his godfather <Expelliarmas> I think he did pickup on the seriousness of the dream, it troubled him so much, his scar hurt and it scared him. He needed to confide in someone who wouldn't freak out <Aislinn> No one met his need except for Sirius <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't really know why he thinks Sirius would know much about his scar tho? <Aislinn> right sooner <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a poignant reminder of how little he has had in the way of healthy relationships with adults <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. Process of elimination. <Theoriser> yeah Aislinn <Fuschia> Gotta go! Thanks guys. <Islwyn13> well, he was worried about his scar hurting, but I"m not sure he realized the dream was as important *** Fuschia has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> bye fuschia <Expelliarmas> Well, jade, he really has no one else; if sirius didn't know, he'd find out though <SoonerGryffindor> for the first time in his life he has an adult that cares and that he can go to. That just makes me so sad <DumbleDebbie> bye Fushia [13:48] <nympheart> I agree Islwyn [13:48] <SevenofNine> Right, Prongs [13:48] <DMD> I think he was confused by it but wasn't ready to blurt out to anyone his fears [13:48] <Aislinn> I think he was quite worried Isl [13:48] <nympheart> that was the first of those dreams he had [13:49] <nympheart> and he didn't remember much of it upon waking [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> it is sad Sooner [13:49] <Islwyn13> he kept going on about his scar hurting, though [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Was Harry dreaming or was he seeing things through LV? [13:49] <Islwyn13> I think that worried him more [13:49] <Books_4_eva> harry took his sweet time telling someone about that dreem [13:49] <sdcurtis> I think he was dreaming. [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> scar-connected phsychic dream [13:49] <Islwyn13> I think he must have been seeing through LV...but we weren't seeing those events through Hrary's dream...we were really there [13:49] <DMD> wrong point of view to be LV [13:49] <nympheart> it was more he was having visions through the scar [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> Dreaming, but it was the connection at work. I don't think he was seeing things through LV's eyes. [13:49] <cbm> seeing things through LV in he dreams [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think it was both [13:49] <Theoriser> seeing things through Lord Voldemort's eyes, through the connection that was starting to grow, I think [13:49] <SevenofNine> Good question Sooner [13:49] <Islwyn13> and Harry was dreaming about the same things at the same time [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> *psychic [13:49] <SevenofNine> I'm not sure we know for sure. [13:49] <Islwyn13> Oh, but wait...he "saw" LV... [13:49] <nympheart> right, MrM, those weren't till later [13:49] <Books_4_eva> no I think it was 3rd person, if he has seen it through voldermorts eywes It would have been riten that way [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry has a nascent gift of clairvoyance [13:49] <Expelliarmas> I think he was dreaming, but he wasn't seeing from LV's pov, it looked like he was seeing from Frank's pov [13:49] <Islwyn13> so it had to be a different PoV [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> He remembered seeing what was in the chair when it turned around. [13:49] <Pleshette> I think it was a bit of both too Prongs [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> we've had a long discussion about this in room 13 [13:49] <adamgryff> it was dreaming but they were somehow connected [13:49] <SevenofNine> It wasn't seen "through the eyes' like the ones in OotP. [13:49] <Aislinn> it seemed a psychic connection to LV [13:50] <futureweasley> astro-projection? [13:50] <nympheart> no, he remembered seeing an old man [13:50] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think it was kind of like a vision but harry just thought it was a dream because he was asleep [13:50] <sdcurtis> I don't think he could see things from Voldemort's POV until Voldemort took his blood [13:50] <Theoriser> just because if he was only dreaming it, he would have to have some sort of other power that hasn't been mentioned yet [13:50] <DMD> agreed aislinn [13:50] <nympheart> that's what I was thinking fw [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was the psychic connection [13:50] <Pleshette> Like he was watching the action [13:50] <Whisperwing> Oh the first dream wasn't from Voldemort's POV so it was more like a prophetic dream, perhaps astral projection [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think so, fw [13:50] <wahinee93> has he seen anything through LV's eyes? [13:50] <SevenofNine> I agree Prongs. I think Harry's gifted more in this are than he knows. [13:50] <Pleshette> similar to a pensieve [13:50] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> at least for part of it [13:50] <Whisperwing> So part of the reason his scar hurt so bad was the snap of returning his astral body to the physical [13:50] <Expelliarmas> he wasn't seeing through LV's eyes, we see what that's like in the next book [13:50] <futureweasley> he was close to LV [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I see the connection getting stronger as Voldemort grows stronger, and the connection changes dramatically after the rebirth. [13:51] <wahinee93> he's dreamt through Nagini, Frank and I'm not sure about the dept.or mysteries [13:51] <futureweasley> which sparked his scar to hurt [13:51] <nympheart> yes MrM! [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry doesnt ever see anything through LV's eyes until LV gets a real body back, a body he got by using Harry's blood. 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[13:51] <Books_4_eva> ye he dosn't see through voldermorts eyes till voldy has his body back
[13:51] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:51] <Islwyn13> he dreamed through Nagini when she was possessed by LV [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Bingo, Sooner! [13:51] <SevenofNine> What's interesting is I'm not really clear on where the opening narration stops and Harry's dream begins. [13:51] <nympheart> but it's not only as LV gets stronger, it's harry too [13:51] *** DemetryCarrington has joined #lounge [13:51] <ProngsPatronus> would harry have a touch of that, too, just enough to get into someone's head? [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> hi demetry [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Demetry! [13:51] <wahinee93> do we know he posessed Nagini? [13:51] <DemetryCarrington> Hello!!!! [13:51] <futureweasley> hi Demetry [13:51] <wahinee93> i would think the snake is capable of attacking [13:51] <Books_4_eva> hi [13:51] <wahinee93> and taking orders [13:51] <Expelliarmas> heya dc [13:51] <Theoriser> hi Demetry [13:51] <Aislinn> he may prongs [13:51] <SevenofNine> I think he does, Prongs, because of what happened during the OWLS [13:51] <DemetryCarrington> What's up in the chat today? [13:52] <nympheart> I found that interesting too seven [13:52] <wahinee93> alot =] [13:52] <Aislinn> I think it will become quite important in the final book actually [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> moving on to chapter 3 [13:52] <cbm> Yes, that is also when LV realized the connection [13:52] *** Islwyn13 has quit [Bye] [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think the Dursleys find excuses for Dudley's bad marks and refuse to believe he is a bully? Do they really believe Dudley is an innocent, good kid or are they trying to hide the fact that they are bad parents? Do you think they can tell the difference? [13:52] <futureweasley> we're talking Chapter of GoF Demetry [13:52] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [13:52] <Islwyn13> keeps locking up on me, sorry [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> appearances [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are blind [13:52] <nympheart> I think they put Dudley on a pedestal [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> it all comes back to that, for them [13:52] <Pleshette> They are blind to Dudley's bad behavior [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> Parents are often the last to see flaws in their children [13:52] <wahinee93> I think they think they are being good parents by making their son happy [13:52] <Aislinn> I think it is just a parent's blindness [13:52] <Islwyn13> we on the Dursleys? [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:52] <Aislinn> yes [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> we just started chapter 3 Isl [13:53] <nympheart> they think he's perfect and won't accept anything else [13:53] <adamgryff> I think they are so blinded by keeping up with appearances they just shrug it off [13:53] <Books_4_eva> not so much blined to it as refuse to see it... I actuly know someone who does something similer to her son [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> I thihnk they just make excuses for him. The Dursleys don't realize what bad parents they are. [13:53] <Islwyn13> I missed the question when I left and reentered chat, sorry [13:53] <DMD> because they see themselves as perfection in parenting and so their child must be perfect [13:53] <Expelliarmas> It's likely blindness, they don't think they're doing anything wrong--at all [13:53] <DemetryCarrington> Sorry computer messing up, be back soon, bye [13:53] <SevenofNine> Many parents respond the way the Dursleys do about bad reports on their kids. [13:53] <futureweasley> well, what parent wants to admit that 1) their kid is a bad egg and 2) it's their fault [13:53] *** DemetryCarrington has quit [Bye] [13:53] <Aislinn> right seven [13:53] <Islwyn13> thanks, sooner [13:53] <SevenofNine> Denial is not a river in Egypt [13:53] *** PolythenePam has joined #lounge [13:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [13:53] <Aislinn> lol [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> good points everyone [13:53] <Pleshette> It's everyone else's fault not them, not Dudley's [13:53] <wahinee93> lol [13:53] <Theoriser> they don't want ot admit that they've made mistakes in their parenting [13:53] <nympheart> lol seven [13:53] <Aislinn> hi pam [13:53] <DMD> it's a tough pill to swallow future [13:53] <PolythenePam> Hi [13:54] <wahinee93> I don't think they know they've made mistakes [13:54] <An_Eternal_Night> hey pamj [13:54] <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, dudley isn't totally blameless [13:54] <Pleshette> Hi Pam [13:54] <Aislinn> yes, theoriser - it would be a negative reflection on them [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> it is something they do all the time, the Dursleys--shunt the blame to something or someone else [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about Petunia insisting on the diet, and even stopping Dudley sneaking doughnuts into his room? This seems to be the first time she's ever denied him anything. Do you find it surprising that she enforces it? [13:54] <futureweasley> channelling Petunia: "Ickle Duddikins is practically perfect in every way" [13:54] <wahinee93> sort of like, well Vernon is huge, so if Dudley is huge too, it's just genes [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> With the Dursleys, everything that's wrong with the world is someone else's fault. [13:54] <SevenofNine> Petunia's first wake up call. [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its a sign of how much it was out of control that she does [13:54] <Aislinn> I think that they just couldn't dodge reality anymore [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> something must've gotten through to her, and scared her enough to get tough [13:54] <Islwyn13> I think Petunia does know she's been messing up [13:54] <Pleshette> I was surprised actually [13:54] <Islwyn13> but doen'st want to admit it to herself [13:54] * ProngsPatronus gags when thinking about Ickle Duddykins [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think Petunia has some hidden strength. It must be exhausting to keep hating Harry all these years. [13:54] <Books_4_eva> no not really, when they go for something they do it all the way [13:54] <futureweasley> she's probably scared for him... [13:54] <adamgryff> I don't think Petunia has a choice with Dudley anymore and this was her wake up call [13:54] <wahinee93> well if the nurse had to tell her how abnormal her son was, he should do it [13:54] <DMD> if he wants to remain at that schoool he must loose weight and they couldn't stand the shame of him being thrown out [13:55] <Islwyn13> but here is something she can't deny any longer...Dudley is roughly the size of a baby whale [13:55] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has joined #lounge [13:55] <wahinee93> best line [13:55] <Islwyn13> or however that quote went blushing [13:55] <Aislinn> hi madam [13:55] <futureweasley> his weight, at this point, was probably the only thing she COULD do something about [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I admit that I always thought that Harry was more than likely exaggerating about his size, but the fact that Dudders cannot hide behind even Vernon says a lot [13:55] <nympheart> this is true jade [13:55] *** nympheart has quit [Bye] [13:55] <SevenofNine> lol Prongs [13:55] <futureweasley> hi MNM [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> hi madam [13:55] <jade_and_diamond_fire> totally the best line thumbup [13:55] <An_Eternal_Night> yes Isl, it is hard to find a way around that! [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> I think she still would have denied the weight problem if it wasn't for the knickers. [13:55] <adamgryff> hi madam [13:55] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hi all! [13:55] <Books_4_eva> well dudley is descriv=bed as being wider than he is r [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Mr M [13:55] <Books_4_eva> tall# [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's revealing Sooner [13:55] <DMD> agree mr mcg [13:55] *** MrsNextDoor has joined #lounge [13:56] <Aislinn> yes Mr M - she was forced to face that hard fact [13:56] <Theoriser> I can't even imagine what someone looks like who is wider than they are tall [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> well, if the nurse says something, she cannot be willfully blind any more [13:56] <futureweasley> hi MrsNextDoor [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> hi MND [13:56] <MrsNextDoor> Hi! [13:56] <DMD> it was a shame thing by then [13:56] <Books_4_eva> hi next door [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> government officials follow behind ignored reports like that [13:56] <Pleshette> True she has no choice but to show she's trying to comply [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did the Dursleys insist on having Harry participate in Dudley’s diet? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> what a great name, mrsnextdoor! [13:56] <SevenofNine> It's really a bit surprising that Petunia didn't catch on tho Dudley's size. It's not like a kid that size doesn't have to go to specialty stores for clothes. [13:56] <Islwyn13> everyone was participating in Dudley's diet [13:56] <MrsNextDoor> thanks, expelliarmus [13:56] <futureweasley> so Dudley can still feel "superior" [13:56] <Islwyn13> so Dudley wouldn't feel deprived [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> I think they keep Dudley happy by making Harry miserable [13:56] <SevenofNine> Because Harry must never have something Dudley doesn't. [13:56] <Books_4_eva> what and give harry something dudly can't have, ha! [13:56] <jade_and_diamond_fire> because at least dudley will be happy to see Harry suffer [13:56] <wahinee93> if Dudley has to suffer, than he'll feel better if Harry suffers to [13:56] <Aislinn> Harry can never be allowed to have more than Dudders [13:57] <MrsNextDoor> yeah, i must say i loved how they gave him less food [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Can anyone imagine the Dursleys letting Harry have anything Dudley's denied? [13:57] <Theoriser> if they don't, they're letting him off suffering [13:57] <Aislinn> it goes against everything they believe in [13:57] <ProngsPatronus> because it was impossible for them to treat harry better than Dudley [13:57] <Islwyn13> but they do let Hary suffer even more than they are [13:57] <sdcurtis> Harry has to suffer with the rest of them [13:57] <SevenofNine> And froma support angle, it really would be best--at least with what's eaten around Dudders [13:57] <adamgryff> because it would make Harry suffer along with dudley that would give dudley that much more satisfaction [13:57] <DMD> because it would make him miserable and there's no way Harry would be allowed to eat in fromnt of Dudders [13:57] <futureweasley> well, everyone is rather "large" in the Dursley house...it's good for Vernon to participate, too [13:57] <Islwyn13> not Petunia smile [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Except for bony Aunt Petunia. [13:57] <MrsNextDoor> the last thing petunia needs is to be less skinny [13:57] <madamnarcissamalfoy> well, if its true that petunia loves harry, then she wants him to be healthy [13:57] <Books_4_eva> harry dosn't get the best diet off them in the first place the diet for harry just made it worse [13:57] <SevenofNine> But I doubt that part entered into to. Harry was targeted because he was Harry. [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Harry is right when he realizes that as long as he is more miserable than Dudley, then all is well for the Dursleys [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> I think Vernon cheats at work. [13:57] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ? [13:57] <MrsNextDoor> Haha [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [13:57] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Petunia loves Harry at all [13:57] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner [13:58] <futureweasley> lol, probably Mr McG [13:58] <Aislinn> yes sooner [13:58] <MrsNextDoor> That bakery's there for a reason [13:58] <DMD> of course he does mr mcg [13:58] <Expelliarmas> that's the way of it, Sooner [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> He goes to that bakery across the street and gobbles doughtnuts. [13:58] <Pleshette> Yeah raids the candy machine Mr.McG [13:58] <Theoriser> haha probably [13:58] <Books_4_eva> ye he goes down to that bakery everyday [13:58] <jade_and_diamond_fire> oh yeah, Vernon probably goes out for burgers during lunch hour [13:58] <Books_4_eva> unless petunia does him a packedlunch [13:58] <wahinee93> burgers? he probably eats cows [13:58] <Theoriser> but even if they're not following the diet, it's another way to make harry miserable [13:58] <futureweasley> I'm having a hilarious image of Vernon beating the candy machine when his Snickers gets stuck [13:58] <jade_and_diamond_fire> true wahinee! [13:58] <wahinee93> lolol [13:58] <adamgryff> lol future [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:58] <Pleshette> lol, fw [13:58] <madamnarcissamalfoy> and the men ask him why he eats so much, he says "cause i darn well can!" [13:58] <SevenofNine> Love it FW [13:58] <ProngsPatronus> LOL, fw! [13:58] <Books_4_eva> lol [13:59] <DMD> nickers or snickers get stuck haha [13:59] <MrsNextDoor> Actually, that bakery probably isn't used much by him after the bloke in the funny clothes [13:59] <futureweasley> lol DMD!! [13:59] <MrsNextDoor> scarred him for life. [13:59] <Pleshette> hee hee [13:59] <SevenofNine> It's be easier for Vernon to cheat than petunia, because she's stuck at the house with Dudley all day [13:59] <sdcurtis> Harry is not as bad off as he was before he went to Hogwarts, so it's probably not too terribly bad for Harry [13:59] <Expelliarmas> he'd find another bakery [13:59] *** Hagiographer13 left #lounge [] [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> If Vernon really does despise everything to do with the magical world, why did he show so much interest in the letter and even ask questions about some of the contents? Was it just natural curiosity overcoming his fear? [13:59] <SevenofNine> Well, a diet of cakes and pies isn't particularly healthy, though [13:59] <Aislinn> hi hagiographer [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> stalling [13:59] <Islwyn13> he was stalling [14:00] <DMD> he wants to know what to prepare for [14:00] <Islwyn13> trying to think of what to do [14:00] <ProngsPatronus> he wants his boy safe [14:00] <Aislinn> yes, he was stalling [14:00] <adamgryff> he was trying to make up his mind on what he was going to do [14:00] <Islwyn13> he was still deciding if he was going to let Harry go, to get rid of him earlier [14:00] <ProngsPatronus> and that overrides his fear [14:00] <cbm> I think he wanted to make sure nothing would be noticed by the neighbors [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> As a mother, I do this with my kids. I stall t make up my mind so I dont have to say yes or no right away [14:00] <Books_4_eva> well vernon dosn't like things being keped from him. If harry has done something wrong he want to hear about it [14:00] <jade_and_diamond_fire> looking for excuses to give harry more grief [14:00] <Expelliarmas> stalling for time to heave his brain into thinking mode, it takes awhile [14:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> all the stamps really made him laugh on the inside [14:00] *** clarkwuf has joined #lounge [14:00] <Islwyn13> or deny him, to make Harry suffer [14:00] <DMD> he's thinking up excuses for the neighbors etc. [14:00] <DumbleDebbie> hi clark [14:00] <sdcurtis> I really don't get that at all [14:00] <jade_and_diamond_fire> he's too serious for his own good [14:00] <cbm> hi [14:00] <wahinee93> yep, weighing out pro's and con's [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hi clark [14:00] <clarkwuf> hi debbie [14:00] <Aislinn> hey clark [14:00] <Books_4_eva> hi clark [14:00] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hiya clark biggrin [14:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i love the stamps [14:00] <wahinee93> welcome [14:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i want that book [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> The whole thing is so perplexing to him that he needs to stall, since he's trying to determine what will hurt Harry the most. [14:01] <futureweasley> I think it's natural to be curious about something that you hate...you want more ammo for your hatred [14:01] <clarkwuf> hey y'all [14:01] <sdcurtis> I think it was just a way to stall before making a fiinal decision [14:01] <Pleshette> He really doesn't to give in to something that might make Harry happy [14:01] <Theoriser> exactly futureweasley [14:01] <Expelliarmas> I think he was also a little curious, in spite of himself [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> As always with the Dursleys, however, their comfort wins out over Harry's misery, though usually the two go together. [14:01] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i would say he needs time to cool off, but that's not really Vernon is it? [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Its not because he had the slighest concern over Harry;s well-being though, which makes me mad [14:01] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has quit [Bye] [14:01] <SevenofNine> Gotta [14:01] <SevenofNine> Go Bye [14:01] <DMD> bye [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye seven [14:01] <MrsNextDoor> Bye [14:01] <adamgryff> bye seven [14:01] <futureweasley> bye 7of9 [14:01] <Pleshette> Bye SoN [14:01] <Expelliarmas> bye 7 [14:01] <ProngsPatronus> bye, 7of 9 [14:01] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [14:01] <jade_and_diamond_fire> toodles! [14:01] <wahinee93> bye [14:01] <Books_4_eva> bye seven [14:01] <DumbleDebbie> I think Vernon is more concerned about what he wants for himself than in which would be worst for Harry actually [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> right Debbie [14:01] <MrsNextDoor> yeah [14:02] <MrsNextDoor> although its probably a close choice [14:02] <Islwyn13> but if he can do both, he will [14:02] <wahinee93> well all he has known of Harry is what Petunia has told him and the burdern that was dumped on his door [14:02] <Islwyn13> hence his struggling to make a decision... [14:02] <wahinee93> in his mind at least. [14:02] <ProngsPatronus> yes, it is personal for Vernon that Harry be as trampled as possible [14:02] <Aislinn> exactly debbie [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about Harry invoking Sirius’ name to pressure Vernon into giving him permission to go to the Quidditch World Cup? [14:02] <sdcurtis> In my opinion he asks Harry all these questions then yells at him for essentally answering them [14:02] <Islwyn13> how can I get what I want AND make Harry suffer smile [14:02] <DMD> Wouldn't you have loved to see Arthur at the post office buying all those stamps? [14:02] <DumbleDebbie> clever move Harry! ;) [14:02] <Islwyn13> it was blackmail smile [14:02] <Theoriser> I think it's fine [14:02] <futureweasley> I loved it [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this question from an ethics POV [14:02] <Aislinn> that was a masterful bit of manipulation biggrin [14:02] <MrsNextDoor> i think sirius' name was no more than they deserved [14:02] <Books_4_eva> go harry! bout time he stuck up for himself [14:02] <wahinee93> because Vernon can't tell him he's making it up [14:02] <Pleshette> I don't see it as blackmail [14:02] <futureweasley> it was the first time he "had something" on the Dursleys [14:02] <Expelliarmas> further evolution in Harry's independence, the book before he just stood up to Vernon, in this one, he gets his way! good for Harry [14:02] <An_Eternal_Night> Harry is very tricksy... [14:02] <Pleshette> more manipulation [14:02] <futureweasley> I'm all about coersion [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> Gasp! Harry being manipulative! Good practice for Slughorn. [14:02] <clarkwuf> I wonder why they believed Harry in the first place [14:03] <Islwyn13> of course it was blackmail! he was threatening the4 Dursleys smile [14:03] <Theoriser> he's a teenager, he's not perfect, so he's going to have some flaws and do things wrong [14:03] <adamgryff> last resort so Harry gets what he wants for a change, very tricky [14:03] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [14:03] <DMD> he was fighting fire with fire [14:03] <Islwyn13> do this for me, or I'll sig my murderous godfather on you [14:03] <Theoriser> and that's nothing to what he's like in hbp [14:03] <ProngsPatronus> in what way, Sooner? [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Actually, he probably saved them more trouble because of it becuase can you imagine if Sirius really did show up? [14:03] <sdcurtis> because he has a bit of leverage now [14:03] <futureweasley> I hadn't thought of that [14:03] <Aislinn> I don't see it as blackmail [14:03] <MrsNextDoor> yeah, Sooner [14:03] <Books_4_eva> blackmail is a bit of a ston word for this... [14:03] <Aislinn> he was pointing out Vernon's alternatives [14:03] <clarkwuf> I do see him as a normal adolescent [14:03] <DumbleDebbie> lol, that'd be fun to read Sooner [14:03] <adamgryff> that would have been great sooner [14:03] <jade_and_diamond_fire> sirius would've gone berserk on the Dursleys if he could! [14:04] <Islwyn13> yes, but that's blackmail...do what I want, or I'll do something to you that you don't want [14:04] <MrsNextDoor> it wasn't really blackmail, no. more using what he had to achieve his own ends [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont thing it is blackmail, it was just Harry laying out to Vernon all of his potential choices laugh [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. [14:04] <clarkwuf> hehe sooner [14:04] <Islwyn13> let me go, or I'll tell Sirius you're abusing me [14:04] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [14:04] <Aislinn> disagree Islwyn - he is saying make your choice and I will make mine [14:04] <Books_4_eva> hmmm I often wonder how the meating between the durslys ans sirius would have whent.... hilarious to start with [14:04] <sdcurtis> lol sooner that's great [14:04] <MrsNextDoor> If Sirius had shown up, what do you think would have happened to Vernon's temple? [14:04] <Pleshette> But Harry doesn't say it like that [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> right Ais, that is along the lines of what I was trying to say [14:04] <Islwyn13> you don't think he dropped Sirius's name becuase he knew that VErnon would cave if he did? [14:04] <ProngsPatronus> well, Harry finally has someone he can tell about his abuse, and Vernon knows that [14:04] <DumbleDebbie> it'd probably burst MrsND [14:05] <futureweasley> Whenever Harry and Vernon square off, it reminds me of a game of Chess...check, check, checkmate [14:05] <Theoriser> yeah prongs [14:05] <clarkwuf> and it's not like Harry over-uses that threat-only when it really matters [14:05] <Islwyn13> why isn't it like, "pay me a million dollars or I'l publish these pictures" [14:05] <DMD> but DD has known all along about the abuse [14:05] <Whisperwing> drat... [14:05] <Aislinn> right Prongs, he is pointing out that Vernon doesn't get a blank check on abuse anymore [14:05] <Islwyn13> which is blackmail [14:05] <Islwyn13> I'll let it go smile [14:05] <adamgryff> I like that future [14:05] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> But Harry knows Sirius can't show his face in Privet Drive. The MoM would be on him like a buzzard on the gutwagon. [14:05] <MrsNextDoor> not really. its using your resources [14:05] <ProngsPatronus> and not before time, too [14:05] <adamgryff> bye islwyn [14:05] <futureweasley> who can "one-up" each other the best will win...it's a battle of wills every time [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think it is blackmail, because Vernon has a choice [14:05] <Aislinn> he didn't threaten anything - he said he was going to write to his godfather [14:05] <Islwyn13> so does anyone being blackmailed [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, FW. [14:05] <Islwyn13> they can choose not to give in [14:05] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [14:06] <Aislinn> if his uncle thought that it would result in harm, you need to ask why would it? [14:06] <Islwyn13> Oh, Ais, you konw that Harry knew what Vernon would th ink [14:06] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [14:06] <DumbleDebbie> wb Whisper [14:06] <MrsNextDoor> Gotta go. bye! [14:06] <Pleshette> but all Harry says is he's writing to Sirius [14:06] <DumbleDebbie> bye Mrs ND [14:06] <Aislinn> but why Isl - because Vernon knows he is abusing Harry [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> bye mnd [14:06] <Whisperwing> thx [14:06] <DMD> bye MND [14:06] <sdcurtis> brb [14:06] *** MrsNextDoor left #lounge [] [14:06] <Islwyn13> because he knows VErnon will connect the dots [14:06] <Aislinn> and Harry is no longer willing to cave to it [14:06] <Books_4_eva> buy nextdoor [14:06] <Expelliarmas> that's the only card Harry has to play, the only power available to him [14:06] <clarkwuf> if vernon hadn't been abusive, he wouldn't worry about sirius [14:06] <Aislinn> that is not blackmail [14:06] <Pleshette> Harry isn't telling Sirius that he's being abused [14:06] <Islwyn13> OH, I'm not saying what Harry did is a bad thing [14:06] <Islwyn13> but it is blackmail [14:06] <Aislinn> exactly clark [14:06] <Aislinn> not even [14:06] <ProngsPatronus> no--it is survival [14:07] <wahinee93> well Vernon knows Mr. Weasley is freak, and Sirius is a killer, neither of which he wants in his house [14:07] <Pleshette> I don't think it is [14:07] <Theoriser> I thought it was quite smart of him, actually, I'd never have thought of that biggrin [14:07] <jade_and_diamond_fire> what harry did is typical of a teenager, even one with normal parents [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol wahinee [14:07] <Aislinn> if Vernon was not doing anything wrong, there would be nothing for him to worry about [14:07] <Expelliarmas> Not blackmail at all--it evens the playing field between Harry and Vernon [14:07] <Pleshette> It is manipulation...he's letting Vernon draw his own conclusions [14:07] <Islwyn13> yes, but if someone has pictures of them taken in a compromising position, they, too, have done soething wrong [14:07] <futureweasley> I think you would have Theo...there was no other way to get to Vernon besides fear...and Harry's never been able to use that card before [14:07] <clarkwuf> teens are as manipulative as their guardians allow [14:07] <DMD> agree pleshette [14:07] <clarkwuf> in general [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Pleshette. [14:07] <Aislinn> he doesn't say, I will sic my godfather on you [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I still maintain that rather than blackmail, Harry was reminding Vernon of the potential difficulties that denying his request could incur [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> He implies it. [14:07] <ProngsPatronus> while that is not normally a nice thing to do, it means survival to Harry [14:08] <clarkwuf> but, sooner, sirius couldn't really come [14:08] <Pleshette> I'm not saying Harry was right to do that [14:08] <Expelliarmas> It's smart, he finally knows how to defeat Vernon; no compromising pictures necessary [14:08] <clarkwuf> so Harry was lying, technically [14:08] <Pleshette> but it is understandable given his situation [14:08] <futureweasley> tsk, tsk...bad ethics Harry [14:08] <Islwyn13> he implies it [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> and we find out that the Weasleys would have come no matter what [14:08] <Aislinn> he didn't lie - he never suggested anything about Sirius [14:08] <Islwyn13> he knows that's what Vernon will hear [14:08] * MrMcGonagall thinks of compromising pictures of Vernon and shudders. [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> we do not know that, though, ourselves--that Sirius would not come there if he thought harry was being abused [14:08] <Aislinn> all he said was that he was going to write him a letter [14:08] <futureweasley> lol [14:08] <Books_4_eva> lol [14:08] <clarkwuf> thats just wrong, Mr. McG! [14:08] <clarkwuf> lol [14:08] <Pleshette> That's interesting, that the Weasleys were coming no matter what [14:08] <Aislinn> right Prongs - I expect that he would come [14:08] <Expelliarmas> exactly, he uses Vernon's prejudices against him, not Harry's fault Vernon is a bigot [14:09] <Islwyn13> he was coercing an action from Vernon by implying bad things could happen if Vernon didn't [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Hey, expie said it. [14:09] <Aislinn> right expie [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> If Vernon had not given his permission, do you think the Weasleys would have simply picked Harry up anyhow? Ron says they would have, did you believe him? Why or why not? [14:09] <Expelliarmas> what'd I say? [14:09] <Islwyn13> he name-dropped... [14:09] <Aislinn> yes, they would have [14:09] <Books_4_eva> yes they would have [14:09] <clarkwuf> ya, I think so [14:09] <wahinee93> I do, they can't afford to waste a ticket [14:09] <ProngsPatronus> yes, they would have [14:09] <cbm> Yes they would of [14:09] <Pleshette> Agreed isl smile [14:09] <clarkwuf> which is manipulative of the Weasleys [14:09] <wahinee93> they've already picked him up without permission before [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. They broke him out once before; this time they'd do it with parental permission. [14:09] <Islwyn13> Harry, himself, admits he hasn't told the Dursleys that Sirius isn't really guilty...Sirius is his ace in the hole [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> they would have, and this is part of the trouble Harry saved Vernon from [14:09] <An_Eternal_Night> I believe him [14:09] <clarkwuf> but I don't blame them [14:09] <DMD> absolutely, especially once they got there and saw how Harry is treated [14:10] <futureweasley> there's no doubt in my mind that Harry was going with or without the Dursley's permission [14:10] <sdcurtis> yeah [14:10] <Islwyn13> yeah, I think that Ron, at least, would have found a way [14:10] <cbm> They know how he was treated the previous summer [14:10] <Aislinn> right fw [14:10] <Theoriser> definitely [14:10] <DumbleDebbie> yes, the Dursleys would have picked him up anyhow [14:10] <futureweasley> the Weasleys are very respectful, and they wanted to give the Dursleys the opportunity to do the right thing [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> agreed, fw [14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fw [14:10] <DMD> but Molly and Arthur didn't see it then [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, the situation couldn't have come off much worse than it did, nayhow. [14:10] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [14:10] <Pleshette> But I'm not sure if the Weasleys would go against the Dursleys wishes [14:10] <sdcurtis> except they might have gotten him by more subverssive means [14:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi Evreka! [14:10] <clarkwuf> they acted respectful, but they would have taken him anyway [14:10] <Aislinn> very true Mr M! [14:10] <Evreka> Hi! [14:10] <Aislinn> hi evreka [14:10] <Books_4_eva> hi everica [14:11] <Evreka> hi everyone [14:11] <Pleshette> If they refused to let him go [14:11] <Books_4_eva> evereka [14:11] <futureweasley> really Pleshette? [14:11] <An_Eternal_Night> hey Evreka [14:11] <futureweasley> that surprises me [14:11] <Pleshette> My theory is that perhaps DD was involved [14:11] <Evreka> what are you discussing? [14:11] <SoonerGryffindor> ho Evreka [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> to me, the Weasleys "coming down the chimney" was hilarious [14:11] <sdcurtis> arthur and molly wouldn't [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Arthur would have just shown up and taken Harry away, but he would have pursued other means of persusaion. [14:11] <futureweasley> me too Prongs [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> you know Santa will never do that again in the Dursley house! [14:11] <Aislinn> hahahaha [14:11] <wahinee93> actually, if the Weasley's picked him up CoS style, Ithink Harry would have to pay when he came back at the end of the year [14:12] <Evreka> LOL Prongs laugh [14:12] <Books_4_eva> I think is the dursleys has said no arthur might have whent by himself [14:12] <futureweasley> since when was the Dursley's fireplace blocked? after the letters? [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> moving on to chapter 4 now... [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you make of Dudley’s fear of Arthur? Was it justified? [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> Wow! You're probably right, FW. [14:12] <sdcurtis> however the twins and Rom are an entirely different story [14:12] <DMD> Mr MCG- If Arthur had spoken to Vernonabout taking Harry and saw the way Vernon responds, he would have taken him, but with a smaile and a thank you [14:12] <Aislinn> it's understandable after the incident with Hagrid [14:12] <clarkwuf> well, bad things did happen to dudley [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Dudley's one encounter with an adult wizard was a pretty bad episode. [14:12] <cbm> I think it was fear of the unknown [14:12] <Aislinn> and his parent's view of all things magical [14:12] <Pleshette> I think it's justified [14:12] <clarkwuf> so his fear did turn out to be justified [14:12] <Books_4_eva> not justifyed, he was being kind but they where perdudice to begine with arthur didn't have a chance [14:12] <Evreka> I think Dudley's only memory is so terrifying it's justified from his POV [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> The image of him whimpering, clutching his bottom is hilarious. [14:13] <sdcurtis> yes it was given what Hagrid did to him [14:13] <Evreka> only memory of a wiz [14:13] <futureweasley> I think that Dudley has been rather tramatized by the wizarding world...but the prejudice was planted my his parents. Fear and hatred start at home [14:13] <Pleshette> lol Mr.McG [14:13] <cbm> I forgot about the pig's tail smile [14:13] <clarkwuf> ya, fw [14:13] <Books_4_eva> but then agin the only hings they have hurd about wzards is from petunia and then aout voldermort killing lilly and james [14:13] <wahinee93> but there's a massive difference between Arthur's appearance and what he remembers of Hagrid [14:13] <Aislinn> exactly FW [14:13] <Evreka> It is MrMcG biggrin [14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> beign raised by Vernon and Petunia, having Harry for a cousing, and geting the pigs tail. I dont think Dudley ever has a chance of NOT being scared silly by wizards [14:13] <DMD> must run...happy chatting! [14:13] *** DMD left #lounge [] [14:13] <wahinee93> I don't think Dudley knows much about LV [14:13] <ProngsPatronus> I think that the Dursleys don't like the mirror that the Weasleys hold up to them [14:14] <sdcurtis> well and now that he knows that Harry is a wizard imagine what Harry inadvertenly did to him as a kid [14:14] <Evreka> I don't know why you include Harry in that though Sooner? [14:14] <Aislinn> that's an interesting point prongs [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> Same reaction as when DD tells them what a travesty their parenting skills are. [14:14] <Evreka> For the longest years Harry was terrified of Dudley, not the other way around [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> well, being related to Harry is scary. Think of all the wierd stuff that has happened becuase he is Harry [14:14] <futureweasley> yes, the Dursleys do seem to live in Neverland [14:14] <Expelliarmas> well, Harry did go after Dudley with "hocus pocus"! so he threatened dudders with magic (wondering what spell to use to burn a bush) [14:15] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:15] <futureweasley> they can do no wrong, in their own eyes [14:15] <clarkwuf> but I think they are more worried about their reputation [14:15] <Pleshette> After witnessing his aunt blown up, I could see Dudley being afraid of Harry [14:15] <futureweasley> hi Jane [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> it says that Dudley used him as a punching bag [14:15] <Evreka> I don't know if Dudley sees that [14:15] <Expelliarmas> heya Jane [14:15] <JaneMarple9> (((((Everybody)))) [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Jane [14:15] * ProngsPatronus thinks the Dursleys would be kicked out of Neverland [14:15] <Aislinn> hi Jane [14:15] <Evreka> I think he's scared because he realises far too late that Harry might retaliate for 10 years of hell [14:15] <Pleshette> Hi Jane [14:15] <Evreka> hi [14:15] <futureweasley> oh, I can't comment on that Prongs...he's just a boy after all [14:15] <JaneMarple9> and what we chatting about? [14:15] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi jane! [14:15] <sdcurtis> that's a good point Evreka [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think Vernon thought dressing in a suit would intimidate? Was he trying to intimidate or was he just insecure? What did you think of his use of clothing? [14:16] <JaneMarple9> He was trying to look as "normal" a Muggle as possible [14:16] <clarkwuf> insecure, and his way of one-upping is by appearances [14:16] <Evreka> I think he believes that he looks outstanding in a suit [14:16] <Pleshette> A suit implies power [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that its so great that Harry has his actions pegged so well [14:16] <Whisperwing> I'I'm sure it's just an extension of his business philosophy [14:16] <wahinee93> Suits are formal, friends are informal [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> Trying to intimidate - put his best foot forward in as arrogant a manner as possible. [14:16] <jade_and_diamond_fire> interesting question, i have to wonder if vernon is insecure [14:16] <cbm> He was trying to look impressive by muggle standards [14:17] <Islwyn13> I think he was trying to intimidate [14:17] <Evreka> exactly Pleschete [14:17] <JaneMarple9> He thinks a suit implies power [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> well, that's how it is in the business world--Vernon's power dressing [14:17] <Pleshette> I'm better than you mentality [14:17] <Expelliarmas> we're discussing GoF, Jane [14:17] <futureweasley> he wanted to one-up the Weasleys. I wonder if Vernon knew that the Weasleys were poor... [14:17] <JaneMarple9> Good smile [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> Vernon's literal "power suit." [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Vernon is very insecure jade, I think most people who use power like him are [14:17] <Evreka> exactly Mr Minerva tongue [14:17] <futureweasley> very good MrMcG [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> me, too, Sooner [14:17] <Pleshette> I agree Sooner [14:17] <JaneMarple9> He's extremely insecure [14:17] <wahinee93> or maybe it's that in the corporate world, everything is stiff and not very friendly [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with Sooner that it's part insecurity. [14:18] <sdcurtis> I think he was trying to be impressive...he feels most comfortable when he's trying to impress clients . If you want to look at it in terms of staging a performance he wanted to have the upper hand [14:18] <clarkwuf> if he was secure, he wouldn't care so much what the neighbors think [14:18] <Whisperwing> That's probably his hostile takeover uniform [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think it is precuious that Harry was much more concerned about Vernon being rude to the Weasleys than what he thought about them [14:18] <wahinee93> I think Vernon in a suit is an unwelcome [14:18] <Aislinn> its all about keeping up appearances [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> part of it is the dog-eat-dog part of business [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> Most people who want to intimidate feel they need to do so because they're insecure. [14:18] <Islwyn13> I agree he's insecure, but I don't think he thinks he's insecure [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> it doesn't do to get too cozy [14:18] <Aislinn> appearance is much more important than substance to the Dursleys [14:18] <Evreka> I don't think he is insecure though... just used to bully his way around and with wizards he can't [14:18] *** Books_4_eva has quit [Bye] [14:18] <Islwyn13> true, Ais [14:18] <Islwyn13> bullies are often insecure, though [14:18] <Pleshette> Right Evreka [14:18] <futureweasley> right, I think he also wanted the Weasleys to think that, because they had nice things, they treated Harry nicely as well [14:18] <Evreka> agree Aislinn [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> Of course they'd never admit to it. [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> thank goodness Harry didnt get sucked into that being reaised with them [14:19] <Islwyn13> that's why they bully, to try and gain the power and respect they feel they can't get otherwise [14:19] <Islwyn13> IMO smile [14:19] <Evreka> true Sooner! [14:19] <JaneMarple9> Yes Harry might had been made into a "mini Dudley", had to conform [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Harry was always the dust bunny under the carpet to them. [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> except that respet doesn't work that way [14:19] <Islwyn13> I'm not sure Vernon cared if the WEasleys thought Hrary was being treated well [14:19] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think the bully certainly may be from fear/insecurity regarding harry [14:19] <Evreka> But they wouldn't have had him in their tweam no matter what... sad [14:19] <Aislinn> well, Dudders is a wicked bully, and I don't see him as being insecure [14:20] <futureweasley> ah, but he is, Aislinn [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> until we get to the Dementors... [14:20] <Whisperwing> He was their practise pony, the one they rode on at home to perfect their bullying skills [14:20] <JaneMarple9> I think he was insercure in book 5 [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> Dudders saw something that made him whimper [14:20] <Evreka> me neither Aislinn [14:20] <JaneMarple9> yes with the dementors [14:20] <Aislinn> only around wizards [14:20] <futureweasley> he's a bundle of insecurities cloaked by bulk and intimidation [14:20] <DumbleDebbie> he probably is Aislinn, I wonder what he saw/heard w the dementors [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> It all comes down to Dudley's boggart. [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you make of Arthur’s efforts at civility, first toward the Dursleys in general and then to Dudley? [14:20] <Evreka> I don't think he likes his school [14:20] <JaneMarple9> I wish I knew what Dudley saw in book 5] [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> maybe because it doesn't matter how big you are in the WW [14:20] <jade_and_diamond_fire> he's just an all around nice guy [14:20] <Islwyn13> it's natural for ARthur to be kind and polite to people [14:20] <Aislinn> I think Arthur was just being the decent man he is [14:21] <DumbleDebbie> he gives it a good try, but he's also a bit condescending [14:21] <Islwyn13> it wouldn't occur to him to act otherwise [14:21] <Evreka> To Dudley: I think it was a great thing [14:21] <An_Eternal_Night> It shows how great a person Arthur is! [14:21] <ProngsPatronus> one flick of a wand, and "even" a girl could beat Dudders [14:21] <Pleshette> It's natural for Arthur [14:21] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it's just who Arthur is. I agree Aislinn. [14:21] <JaneMarple9> He didn't do very well with Muggle relations! biggrin [14:21] <wahinee93> Arthur loves muggles, he probably couldn't believe the Dursley's were that bad [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it shows the difference in character between Vernon and Arthur. Both as men and fatheres [14:21] <Aislinn> I didn't see anything condescending in his actions [14:21] <Expelliarmas> given he'd just smashed their immaculate living room? I thought it was hilarious. [14:21] <futureweasley> Arthur is just an amazing person...and he tried to find some "common ground" between himself and the Dursleys [14:21] <Evreka> To the others... given how he came in he could have started from a better position [14:21] <Aislinn> right sooner - it was a clear contrast [14:21] <MrMcGonagall> Everything just went wrong with the visit. [14:21] <JaneMarple9> Arthur is probably horrified at the Dursleys [14:21] <sdcurtis> Because Arthur realises the value of treating people with respect . No matter how different they may be [14:21] <clarkwuf> vernon didn't give arthur a chance [14:21] <futureweasley> but you knew she was going to fix the ruin that was their living room [14:21] <jade_and_diamond_fire> he did show a bit of naivete in assuming that the dursleys would be okay about them arriving by floo [14:22] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> Arthur meeting a Muggle--and the Muggle turns out to be Vernon= priceless [14:22] <DumbleDebbie> moreo later on Aislin, when Arthur is trying to act like a Muggle [14:22] <futureweasley> wb adam [14:22] <Islwyn13> agreed, Jade, totally [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the comment that Arthur makes aobut Molly thinking he is "mad" laugh [14:22] <DumbleDebbie> wb adamgryff! [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> wb adam [14:22] <adamgryff> thanks, someone dropped by [14:22] <Expelliarmas> As someone said in the Atrium, Arthur can be such an innocent [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> Things just got off on the wrong foot. It might have come off a lot better without the fireplace incident. [14:22] <JaneMarple9> Arthur would be great as the Muggle Prime Minster! [14:22] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hi stewie [14:22] <Evreka> I mean... we all love the wiz world do we not? But if someone entered my house by tearing down wone wall, he would NOT be welcommed no matter what!!! [14:22] <Aislinn> yes expie - he is an innocent [14:22] <DumbleDebbie> hi stewie [14:22] <futureweasley> hi stewie [14:22] <Aislinn> I love that about him smile [14:22] <JaneMarple9> Hi ther Adam and Stewie [14:22] <clarkwuf> I think they assumed Harry would warn vernon [14:22] <stewiegryf> hey sooner, hi all! [14:22] <Pleshette> hi stewie [14:22] <adamgryff> hi stewie [14:22] <sdcurtis> I'm thinking Arthur and Molly may not have thought the Dursley's werre as bad and Ron, Harry, and the Twinmade them out to be [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> Arthur is a naif [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Evrkea. [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he is innocent, but not as much as we think [14:22] <Islwyn13> they didn't even tell Harry how they were arriving [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> Evrka. [14:23] <Islwyn13> and even if Harry told them, the Dursleys wouldn't have been ok with it [14:23] <Islwyn13> too much magic [14:23] <wahinee93> well who has their fireplace boarded up anyway? [14:23] <Islwyn13> maybe Arthur thought Harry was exaggerating the Dursley's fear of magic [14:23] <JaneMarple9> Nothing would make Vernon like Arthur! [14:23] <Evreka> probably who wouldn't? [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Did the twins orchestrate the dropping of the sweets? [14:23] <clarkwuf> yes! [14:23] <Pleshette> I think that could be Isl [14:23] <Islwyn13> absolutely! [14:23] <stewiegryf> Of course! [14:23] <DumbleDebbie> yes [14:23] <Evreka> Oh YES! [14:23] <cbm> YES! [14:23] <JaneMarple9> of course they did! [14:23] <wahinee93> oh of course [14:23] <futureweasley> people who are afraid that letters are going to come raining into their house, wahinee [14:23] <Islwyn13> they admit it i the next chapter, sort of [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> Well, there are a lot of people who do it to conserve energy. There are very few wood-burning fireplaces in Enligsh homes nowadays. [14:23] <adamgryff> yes of course [14:23] <Pleshette> Of course! [14:23] <clarkwuf> they had fun with it [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> you bet they did! [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> Of course they did. [14:24] *** PolythenePam has quit [Bye] [14:24] <sdcurtis> yes [14:24] <stewiegryf> That's why we love them so much. [14:24] <Pleshette> No accident [14:24] <Evreka> That's a point fw! [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> it was premeditated [14:24] <Aislinn> no question [14:24] <Whisperwing> You know, I don't think I'd be as utterly irrational as the Dursleys, and after all, once Arthur started insisting he would fix it, I'd focus on the fixing of my home immediately. And yeah, that was totally on purpose [14:24] <JaneMarple9> great bit of invention and serves Dudders right! [14:24] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [14:24] <Expelliarmas> Very wickedly they did; they knew what a glutton Dudley is [14:24] <JaneMarple9> They knew Dudders was on a diet [14:24] <futureweasley> I love that they knew what would happen [14:24] <wahinee93> I'm sure they were itching to test their candy on someone, and they wouldn't care if Dudley got the side effects [14:24] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> completely pre-meditated. [14:25] <clarkwuf> any kid would eat candy if they saw some and thought it was OK [14:25] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [14:25] <JaneMarple9> that would make it worse smile [14:25] <Islwyn13> well, ickle Duddikins is a bit predictable smile [14:25] <Pleshette> And who could blame Dudley [14:25] <Evreka> I don't think that's a good idea though. I mean what would have happened if Dudley ate iafter Arthur left? [14:25] <Whisperwing> And after all, two years before they'd had to rescue Harry from starvation from there, so now that he was feeling a little of his own starvation, they knew he wouldn't be able to resist. [14:25] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> It was a dangerous thing for the twins to do. [14:25] <DumbleDebbie> wb Sooner [14:25] <futureweasley> it was dangerous, but hilarious [14:25] <Evreka> Exactly MrMcG [14:25] <Islwyn13> agreed, very dangerous [14:25] <wahinee93> you would think they'd know better coming from Arthur and Molly's house [14:25] <Pleshette> This was the one and only time I felt bad for Dudders [14:25] <Whisperwing> Highly dangerous, potentially lethal [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> all their actions have that tinge of danger, though [14:25] <An_Eternal_Night> but the twins live on the edge [14:25] <DumbleDebbie> it was scary, and stupid [14:25] <sdcurtis> Fred and George" Let's think of someone we can use as a guinia pig without them knowing" "I know let's use Harry's cousin. He's on a diet and will leap at the chance to eat some sweets [14:25] <JaneMarple9> it was dangerous but they knew their dad could rectrify it [14:26] <futureweasley> yes they do, AEN [14:26] <futureweasley> isn't that what appeals to us? [14:26] <clarkwuf> agreed, jane [14:26] <Pleshette> Good point Jane [14:26] <Islwyn13> but in the magical world, that tinge is overcome, mostly, by the magic aroudn them [14:26] <Evreka> hilarious because we all hate Dudley, but what if he'd eatenn it after all wizards left? [14:26] <stewiegryf> Yes, it was dangerous, but Dudley isn't exactly a sympathetic character [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was a foolish confidence, Jane. [14:26] <Whisperwing> Not if his panic-stricken mum wouldn't let Arthur near the boy. [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Did you think Vernon was justified in throwing things at Arthur? [14:26] <An_Eternal_Night> definitely : ) [14:26] <Islwyn13> Dudley had no means of reversing the damage himself, if he had waited to eat the toffee [14:26] <JaneMarple9> a little! [14:26] <wahinee93> hahah yes [14:26] <clarkwuf> no, it was ridiculous [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> No, physical violence was hardly justified. [14:26] <Aislinn> and they tried all of their inventions out on themselves first [14:26] <Evreka> Absolutely not! [14:26] <futureweasley> he was scared and wanted Arthur to just go [14:26] <Islwyn13> he was terrified...didn't know what Arthur was going to do to his son [14:26] <Whisperwing> I don't think Fred and George would have left the scene of the crime without waiting to see the effects of their experiment [14:26] <futureweasley> I've been there [14:27] <Islwyn13> I think it's understandable, but not really condonable (sp) [14:27] <Evreka> As if that would have helped no matter the situation! [14:27] <adamgryff> I it was not justified to throw things [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> you know, I have to give props to Vernon hre. He was facing something he was really scared of and still defended his family [14:27] <Pleshette> I think Vernon showed quite a bit of restraint up until then [14:27] <Islwyn13> but they did, Whisper [14:27] <Whisperwing> Like serial killers who linger to watch the body being found, if you'll excuse the analogy [14:27] <futureweasley> I don't think it's justified, but it is completely understandable [14:27] <stewiegryf> Not justified, but I understand why he did it. [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> he was wrong, but it was still brave [14:27] <clarkwuf> ya, sooner [14:27] <Islwyn13> they had to ask Harry if Dudley ate it [14:27] <DumbleDebbie> he was trying to protect is family [14:27] <JaneMarple9> he didn't know Arthur would help Dudders [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> I loved how Petunia protected Dudley. [14:27] <Expelliarmas> Vernon does try to protect his family [14:27] <Islwyn13> rather, the twins didn't [14:27] <DumbleDebbie> by sitting on him? Mr M ;) [14:27] <wahinee93> I don't think he wanted Arthur's help. [14:27] <Aislinn> I think it was a reaction based on fear and prejudice [14:27] <futureweasley> no, that much was clear [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> No matter how despicable Vernon is, he is a man who loves his family and physicaly tried to protect them [14:27] <sdcurtis> sort of, [14:27] <Islwyn13> agreed, Ais [14:27] <Evreka> That's true Sooner, but HOW does he defend them? He's not good at keeping his head cool in danger [14:27] <JaneMarple9> Only time we've seen Petunia show real emotion until then [14:28] <clarkwuf> in vernon's muggle world, protection is through money [14:28] <Evreka> And Petunia trying to rip his tongue out! [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> She stood between him and Arthur when she thought Arthur might hurt him, just like a certain other Evans girl once did. [14:28] <adamgryff> brb, door [14:28] <futureweasley> Vernon is, by nature, a protector...I will give him that! I can't WAIT to talk about the Dursleys in OotP!! [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that Petunia even though she did the wrong thing, was trying to help her son [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> right Mr M [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> The Dursleys just panic. [14:28] <clarkwuf> petunia was just scared [14:28] <JaneMarple9> yes Lily and Petunia are alike sometimes [14:28] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think V [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> well, I am sure it didn't look like a tongue [14:28] <Pleshette> They just don't know how to react in the face of magic [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Prongs [14:29] <Evreka> Sure she was, but she's no good in keeping her wits with her [14:29] <Islwyn13> but the fact that when she was terrified, instinct told her to throw herself over Dud...that speaks well of her [14:29] <jade_and_diamond_fire> sorry, didn't mean to type that [14:29] <Islwyn13> I thin [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> and petunia thought they had grown something on her son again [14:29] <Whisperwing> Oh, of course, if Arthur himself hadn't been there to fix it, the Ministry would have had someone round there to fix it quickly enough [14:29] <wahinee93> I'm surprised Petunia wouldn't speak to Arthur, she is familiar with wizards [14:29] <Aislinn> by trying to yank his tongue out of his mouth sooner? [14:29] <Evreka> That could be it, yes.. [14:29] <Pleshette> Familiar but perhaps not comfortable [14:29] <JaneMarple9> she's not all that familar with wizards [14:29] <Islwyn13> butr she's terrified of them [14:29] <wahinee93> truth [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> I've done that to myself when my tongue was numb from novocaine. Weird feeling. [14:29] <Whisperwing> Oh but she's been hiding that familiarity from Vernon most of Harry's life [14:29] <Islwyn13> she wants to deny she knows anything [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Moving on to Chapter 5... [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> she has blocked it out so long [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Bill had been a Head Boy. But he was nothing like Percy–he was cool. He had long hair tied back in a ponytail, and wore a fang earring and dragon hide boots. What did you make of Bill? [14:29] <JaneMarple9> been a while since she has dealt with them [14:29] <Islwyn13> Bill ROCKS! [14:29] <Pleshette> Cool!! [14:30] <Islwyn13> Move over, Fleur! [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how Jo makes Bill so different from Percy [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> lol--Bill--too cool [14:30] <Evreka> I love this young man [14:30] <Whisperwing> My hero! [14:30] <JaneMarple9> erm cool I think describes Bill! [14:30] <sdcurtis> better it was oonly Artur there. The Twins would have been doubled over in laughter if they'd been there [14:30] <clarkwuf> I wondered about him with Fleur, but he is cool [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> We really hadn't heard that much about him, so it was hard to form expectations. All of a sudden he's just there. [14:30] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hands down the weirdest couple, but very cool [14:30] <Evreka> responsable, cunning in positive sense cool, [14:30] <DumbleDebbie> he's fun! [14:30] <futureweasley> exactly Islwyn...I was immediately taken aback by Bill [14:30] <Evreka> and still fun [14:30] <JaneMarple9> Definatly a cool wizard [14:30] <Aislinn> so cool smile [14:30] <Whisperwing> I'd have loved to see a side series about Bill's Adventures in Curse Breaking! This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 4 2006, 03:39 PM |
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[14:30] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder if the fang was foreshadowing to Fenrir's attack
[14:30] <Islwyn13> Poor dragon, though ;) [14:30] <Whisperwing> Oooh, good call! [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good idea Debbie [14:30] <Evreka> I think his CurseBreaking job will be most interesting in no 7 [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> We haven't seen that much of wizards in his age group. [14:30] <JaneMarple9> I was surprised by the description, I imagined him to be like Percy [14:30] <jade_and_diamond_fire> interesting idea Debbie! [14:31] <wahinee93> I like that he's a "bad boy" but still really smart, it's admirable that he's not a nerd [14:31] <Pleshette> Love his boots! [14:31] <JaneMarple9> great catch Debbie! [14:31] <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, one percy is certainly enough! [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> one can imagine that James and Sirius would be like that, too [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he hopefully will be a big help to Harry in Book 7 [14:31] <Evreka> LOL, debbie smile [14:31] * JaneMarple9 applaudes DumbleDebbue! [14:31] <futureweasley> Debbie = THIPS queen [14:31] <Expelliarmas> I was surprised, but happy to see a young wizard who was cool [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> lol [14:31] <Whisperwing> You know who I'm thinking is like Bill? Dean WInchester on Supernatural. [14:31] <clarkwuf> with older siblings like his I almost feel bad for percy [14:31] <Aislinn> yes Prongs [14:31] <JaneMarple9> Thips????? [14:31] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [14:31] <Evreka> Things Hidden In Plain Sight [14:31] <Aislinn> that is how I viewed them at Bill's age [14:31] <Pleshette> Yes clarkwuf [14:31] <Islwyn13> Things hidden in plain sight [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> Things Hidden In Plain Sight Jane [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Charlie was described as having callouses and blisters on his hand. He was physically similar to the twins, short and stocky and was quite friendly. What did you think of Charlie? [14:31] <JaneMarple9> Hi Werewold [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi WWW [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> Percy's need to distinguish himself from his talented older brothers . . . [14:32] <Expelliarmas> heya www [14:32] <DumbleDebbie> he seems great too [14:32] <Islwyn13> another awesome person, though we see so little of him [14:32] <JaneMarple9> ah great abbreviation! biggrin [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Charlie as kinda like Hagrid withough the wild hair [14:32] <clarkwuf> more laid back [14:32] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder why his burns weren't fixed tho [14:32] <Whisperwing> Nice guy, probably much more dateable than BIll by parental standards [14:32] <Evreka> Not much except that he was fun too, [14:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi, how long is this chat going on? [14:32] <Islwyn13> the tough outdoorsman [14:32] <Pleshette> Great guy [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> Charlie was more as I expected him. [14:32] <Aislinn> that is how I pictured him [14:32] <Evreka> but we'll see more of him.. wink [14:32] <JaneMarple9> Charlie was more or less how I imagined him [14:32] <Islwyn13> the burns may have been fixed... [14:32] <jade_and_diamond_fire> interesting comparison to Hagrid [14:32] <Aislinn> another half hour wagga [14:32] <DumbleDebbie> Evreka's the one who 1st abbrivated it Jane smile [14:32] <Whisperwing> May be a property of dragon flame prevents the scars from being magically healed [14:32] <Islwyn13> perhaps dragon burns have a different nature than regular burns, I don't know smile [14:32] <sdcurtis> I can hy Ginny looks up to him [14:32] <Evreka> Was I? [14:32] <JaneMarple9> yes quite like Hagrid yes Jade [14:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He might have been more solid than the other boys. Failed his apparition test first time [14:33] <Expelliarmas> I saw charlie as a Steve Irwin type [14:33] <clarkwuf> maybe he doesn't care about the scars, or is proud of them? [14:33] <DumbleDebbie> yep, you were Ev [14:33] <JaneMarple9> yes Expel! [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good comparison Expie [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> well, he was the Quidditch player [14:33] <Islwyn13> yes, Expie! [14:33] <Pleshette> Oh yeah, expel! [14:33] <Islwyn13> testing [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> but I didnt know who that was when I first was reading these books [14:33] <Whisperwing> Ooh, not being able to Apparate properly because you're too solid a person? [14:33] <JaneMarple9> great comparision [14:33] <jade_and_diamond_fire> oh, poor Irwin sad [14:33] <Evreka> Much more manageable smile [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> I hope he doesn't take a horntail spike to the chest. [14:33] <stewiegryf> That's how I kind of imagined him expie, but with red hair and a british accent [14:33] <Whisperwing> Bet Luna turns out to be a whiz at Apparition in year 7 then! [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> so I see him with the atlete's physique, but cool like Bill [14:33] <Expelliarmas> we see you Islwyn [14:33] <Theoriser> yeah, like percy says "more of the outdoors type" [14:33] <Islwyn13> thanks [14:33] <Islwyn13> keeps lagging, no worries [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Now that you’ve met all the Weasleys, what did you think of Percy in this chapter? Did you think he tried to hard to show he was a grown-up? Or, was he just showing off? If so, for whose benefit? [14:33] <DumbleDebbie> Charlie seems like a down to earth farmer type guy [14:34] <DumbleDebbie> he tries SO hard, poor guy [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I see a boy who is trying to become a man, but he is going about it the wrong way [14:34] <Islwyn13> Yeah, I think Percy's desperate for respect [14:34] <clarkwuf> I think Percy just knows he can't fit in, so he does his nerd thing instead [14:34] <Whisperwing> I think he was desperately trying to look important because he feels sharply how Middle of a middle child he is. [14:34] <Aislinn> Percy was being himself, just as we've seen him since the first book [14:34] <Islwyn13> but more than that, he wan [14:34] <Expelliarmas> Percy comes off poorly; he doesn't have the personality to be charming like Bill and Charlie [14:34] <JaneMarple9> He was trying to show that he was as good as Bill and Charlie [14:34] <stewiegryf> Percy's just trying to make a name for himself. He's trying to be different from his successful older brothers. [14:34] <Islwyn13> he wants to be respected above the others [14:34] <wahinee93> I think Percy is a big dreamer, he probably imagines one day he'll be wealthy and currently considers himself superior [14:34] <Islwyn13> that's where he goes wrong, I think [14:34] <clarkwuf> but he is way too show-offy [14:34] <Evreka> He is even worse than ever - this is the first time we truelly see him growing into what he'll become [14:34] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He doesn't seem to have his priorities right. [14:34] <jade_and_diamond_fire> agreed, stewie [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think Percy is trying to not be a carbon copy of his older brothers [14:34] <JaneMarple9> You almost feel sorry for Percy...almost, not quite biggrin [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Sooner, I think he has a great need to distinguish himself. A dangerous lust for power. [14:34] <Whisperwing> It's like he and Ron took opposing paths in the shadows of their older brothers [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> But in Percy's defense, he doesnt get any respect from anyone but Molly [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Or at least ot be well-though of. [14:34] <JaneMarple9> He's a show off [14:34] <Pleshette> I agree Jane [14:35] <Evreka> obsessed with career, selfish, boasting, unbearable... [14:35] <Evreka> Exactly Jane [14:35] <Islwyn13> well, he acts horribly smile [14:35] <Aislinn> he is quite taken with his new position an self-perceived achievement [14:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Fred & George the anti Percy's [14:35] <Islwyn13> pompous, no sense of humour, patronizing... [14:35] <sdcurtis> Bill and Charlie have seen more of the world and have had a pit more room to breath to bcome more their own persons [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> sooner, I think that is why he doesn't get any respect from the others [14:35] <Evreka> Yeah but its more than that Aislinn [14:35] <JaneMarple9> Oh Molly shows respect to everyone, even the Twins [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> a vicious circle [14:35] <Islwyn13> I can't really blame the rest of the family for trying to take the micky out of him (is that the right use of that phrase?) [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> possibly Prongs [14:35] <clarkwuf> ya, islwyn, he asks for it [14:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yep Islwyn [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> when one child is perceived as "the favourite" [14:36] <Pleshette> I think they try to get Percy to not take himself so seriously [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> what happens when the parents aren't there? [14:36] <JaneMarple9> right phrase Iswlyn! You're learning British biggrin [14:36] <Evreka> In POA he greets Harry as a Royalty, here Harry's arrival is just disturbing since it creates sound that might distract him from the thickness of a cauldron botton [14:36] <clarkwuf> but who would the favorite be? [14:36] <Islwyn13> Yay! [14:36] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Was there a difference between giving Dudley the toffee because he is a Muggle or because he is a great bullying git? [14:36] <Evreka> quite a difference [14:36] <Islwyn13> yes [14:36] <wahinee93> iswlyn, do you wish you were a Brit too? [14:36] <cbm> YES [14:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Why didn't he share the pain when his elder brothers came? He mightn't have wanted to share with the younger boys but why not one of the elder ones? [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the twins were totally wrong in this [14:37] <Islwyn13> sometimes, wahinee, sometimes smile [14:37] <Evreka> Yes, it's a huge diff [14:37] <wahinee93> haha [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley could have died either way [14:37] <clarkwuf> it depends, were they trying to punish him or test [14:37] <JaneMarple9> He's begining to dislike Harry, Percy is [14:37] <cbm> even so I think the twins were wrong to do it [14:37] <Islwyn13> it's the difference between bigotry, and looking at a person for who he is, not what he is [14:37] <sdcurtis> He's trying too hard [14:37] <DumbleDebbie> it was wrong to give it to anyone, it would've killed him if Arthur had already left [14:37] <Evreka> If it was for muggle they'd be as Percy - boasting and showing off [14:37] <Aislinn> yes, they were making a comment on his bullying, gluttonous nature [14:37] <ProngsPatronus> they could do with a bit of discipline, those two [14:37] <Evreka> Now he got what was "due" in some sense [14:37] <wahinee93> I think the twins wouldn't test out a potentially problematic candy on a friend, they don't care about Dudley [14:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes there is a difference. Dudley was a great bullying git who wasn't polite enough to hand back something someone dropped. [14:37] <JaneMarple9> The Twins were trying to create entertainment that all biggrin [14:37] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think his being a muggle did play a part in it because a wizard probably wouldn't have freaked out so much [14:37] <Islwyn13> it was wrong, but it would have been worse if it had been "muggle-baiting" [14:37] <Islwyn13> I think [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> and, Dudley was defenseless. Had they picked a fist fight with him, it would have been better, but Dudley cannot defend himself against magic [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> It was wrong in either case, but I don't think the twins were just out to bait a Muggle. [14:38] <Evreka> although it was still cruel as he was utterly defenceless [14:38] <JaneMarple9> Nobody can disipline the Twins biggrin [14:38] <DumbleDebbie> dead is dead, Isl, in my book doesn't matter why [14:38] <ProngsPatronus> in some form, though, it was Muggle-baiting [14:38] <Aislinn> he didn't have to eat the candy [14:38] <Expelliarmas> I think Dudley deserved what he got; the twins found a way to payback dudders on harry's behalf [14:38] <clarkwuf> how was it not muggle-baiting? [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> It was a cruel way of setting someone up. [14:38] <stewiegryf> but dudley brought it on himself. he choose to eat the candy [14:38] <Aislinn> and was acutlly quite foolish to do so, considering how scared he is of magic [14:38] <Islwyn13> intent is important...and I don't think the twins thought it through...I don't thin kthey meant Dudley to suffer death [14:38] <wahinee93> because muggles don't stand a chance against magic [14:38] <Islwyn13> testing [14:38] <JaneMarple9> It was a bit like Muggle Baiting yes [14:38] <Islwyn13> major lag [14:38] <Aislinn> agree isl [14:38] <clarkwuf> any child would have eaten the candy [14:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because Dudley chose to pick up the sweet and gobble it up. [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> if they wanted to call him out another way besides using magic, I would have been cheering them, but they chose something he could not battle, which puts them on his level [14:39] <JaneMarple9> showing Dudley that they were better than he was! [14:39] <Aislinn> it was not in the least mggle baiting [14:39] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think they did it because he was a Muggle - just because he was an easy target that the felt deserved it. [14:39] <Pleshette> They were not doing it because Dudley was a Muggle [14:39] <Evreka> Exactly Sooner [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner, he had no way to defend himself [14:39] <wahinee93> it is muggle-baiting, the candy was the bait [14:39] <Pleshette> But because he was a git [14:39] <Islwyn13> I agree, Ais... [14:39] <cbm> I think it is not muggle baiting because Dudley being a muggle was not the motive [14:39] <Expelliarmas> think the twins leaned something for their future products from the testing there though [14:39] <Aislinn> it was very specifically targeted at a person they knew to be a horrible, bullying prat [14:39] <JaneMarple9> Not if they had been brought up correctly - a child should know not to pick up sweets off the floor biggrin [14:39] <Pleshette> I agree cbm [14:39] <Islwyn13> they would hav edone the same to Percy if an opportunity afforded itself, I think [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> it doesnt matter why they did it, they were wrong to do it in the WAY that they did it [14:39] <An_Eternal_Night> the twins don't often think things the entire way through- selling Draco Peruvian Darkness powder comes to mind [14:39] <stewiegryf> agreed cmb [14:39] <Islwyn13> it was cruel, but it wasn't bigotry [14:39] <jade_and_diamond_fire> gtg guys, nice chatting! [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> bye hade [14:39] <clarkwuf> ya, etn [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> bye Jade [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> *jade [14:39] <Pleshette> Yes it was wrong, but not Muggle baiting [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> is it justified to do these things because a character is not sympathetic? [14:39] <stewiegryf> bye jade [14:39] <An_Eternal_Night> bye jade [14:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> good point janemarple smile [14:40] <Aislinn> yes they would have isl [14:40] <Evreka> bye jade [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> it is not Prongs [14:40] <Pleshette> Bye jade [14:40] <sdcurtis> However I thnk JKR put a red flag on Crouch but we we miss it because Percy is showing off [14:40] *** jade_and_diamond_fire has quit [Bye] [14:40] <Islwyn13> not at all, Prongs... [14:40] <Evreka> no Prongs, of course not [14:40] <Pleshette> No it's not justified [14:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Have to go myself. Back later if possible. Church at 7:30 am you see [14:40] <Islwyn13> but it wasn't cruelty for cruelty's sake [14:40] <DumbleDebbie> bye WWW [14:40] <clarkwuf> good point, sdcurtis, JKR is good at that [14:40] <Evreka> That's the bully's way to reason [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> I mean, yes, we get a laugh out of it, but isn't it a guilty laugh? [14:40] <Islwyn13> which I think is more wrong [14:40] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf left #lounge [] [14:41] <wahinee93> guilty, but worth it [14:41] <Expelliarmas> nope, I didn't feel guilty at all [14:41] <wahinee93> haha [14:41] <JaneMarple9> i think dudley deserved a shock [14:41] <Pleshette> I didn't find it funny at all actually [14:41] <futureweasley> I'm nut sure that Dudley really deserved that [14:41] <DumbleDebbie> the thought of someone not able to breathe terrifies me [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> I was a bit horrified, myself [14:41] <Islwyn13> me, too [14:41] <wahinee93> he didn't deserve it from the twins [14:41] <clarkwuf> I feel worse for petunia, watching it happen [14:41] <Pleshette> and was glad that the twins were reprimanded later [14:41] <Evreka> I laughed about it because it's humorous... but when you start to THINK as this RGs inspire, it's not fun really [14:42] <wahinee93> right evreka [14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> But for Molly’s timing in hearing the tale-end of Arthur’s lecture of the twins, do you believe Arthur would have punished the twins? Would he have told Molly of what they did? Why or why not? [14:42] <clarkwuf> the muggle world is so exagerated, though, I don't take any of it seriously [14:42] <Pleshette> The twins are funny but they can be cruel at times too [14:42] <futureweasley> he's a victim...he's a git, but a victim, too [14:42] <DumbleDebbie> right, it can be funny b/c he didnt die and it was fixed, but when you think of wat it... [14:42] <DumbleDebbie> *what if [14:42] <Islwyn13> I think he would have given them a harsh lecture, then let it go [14:42] <JaneMarple9> he had told the Twins off [14:42] <Aislinn> no, I don't think he would have punished them [14:42] <clarkwuf> no, arthur would not have punished the boys [14:42] <wahinee93> unfortunately no, and that may be why the twins are so bad [14:42] <Islwyn13> and I don't think he woul dhave told Molly [14:42] <Evreka> I think he'd kept yelling for a time and decided that was thaty [14:42] <JaneMarple9> and he knew that Molly would throw a wobbly biggrin [14:42] <Evreka> *that [14:42] <Aislinn> I think he would have yelled a bit more, and that would have been it [14:43] <DumbleDebbie> he wouldn't have been as hard on them as he should have been I think [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think he might have [14:43] <wahinee93> LOL hane [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> punished them [14:43] <wahinee93> *jane [14:43] <DumbleDebbie> and he didn't seem to want to tell Molly [14:43] <clarkwuf> he's too easy on the twins [14:43] <Pleshette> Right Debbie [14:43] <Evreka> Exacle Aislinn, lol Jane [14:43] <JaneMarple9> I think Arthur was slightly amused but didn't want to admit it [14:43] <Islwyn13> I don't think he wanted to upset her, to get her all worked up [14:43] <Islwyn13> Arthur is a peacemaker [14:43] <Evreka> true Debbie [14:43] <Aislinn> I agree Isl [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> o--I think Arthur knew she would start yelling, and he didn't want that, either [14:43] <clarkwuf> ya, isl [14:44] <JaneMarple9> Arthur's easy going! [14:44] <clarkwuf> true, PP [14:44] <Aislinn> and as he tried to tell the Drusleys, it was a simple engorgement charm that could have been put right in a trice [14:44] <wahinee93> too easygoing in this situation [14:44] <JaneMarple9> He's the easier of the parents [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this scene cause we get to see Arthur lose it with the kids for once [14:44] <Pleshette> I have to run..great chat! [14:44] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [14:44] <Evreka> yeah but that means nothing to them [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> hi alexk [14:44] *** sdcurtis left #lounge [] [14:44] <futureweasley> bye pleshette [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Alex [14:44] <Aislinn> bye pleshette [14:44] <wahinee93> bye pleashette [14:44] <An_Eternal_Night> bye Pleshette [14:44] <Islwyn13> unless they REALLY screw up, like with trying to get Ron to do an UV [14:44] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:44] <JaneMarple9> We've never seen Arthur really really lose his temper [14:44] <Alexk> hi everyone, late again [14:44] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> bye Pelshette [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Pleshette [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> well, he isn't given a chance to be different--his role in the family is pretty fixed [14:44] <Islwyn13> he will punish them, just not as readily [14:44] <stewiegryf> Me too sooner. I don't think we ever see that. even when ron steals the car [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Molly’s less than warm reception to the idea of Fred and George going into business rather than doing something “safe” like going to work at the Ministry? [14:45] <Evreka> his entire explaining talk on the fireplace and how he got their is gobbledegook to them [14:45] <JaneMarple9> we've heard of him losing it but never witnessed it [14:45] <Islwyn13> true [14:45] <Islwyn13> well, except when he attacked Lucius [14:45] <JaneMarple9> Molly is frightened for the Twins [14:45] <clarkwuf> she cares what others think of her family [14:45] <Evreka> For once I really deeply disagree with her [14:45] <wahinee93> she wants her sons to be successful, business is risky [14:45] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [14:45] <An_Eternal_Night> it wasn't surprising [14:45] <DumbleDebbie> she only has their best interests at heart, she just doesn't see how that would be good for them [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> appearances again [14:45] <Evreka> it's their lives not her [14:45] <stewiegryf> I think she's just concerned that they won't do well. she wants them to have a better life than they have right now. [14:45] <clarkwuf> just like she wants bill to cut his hair [14:45] <Islwyn13> I don't think it's about appearances for her [14:45] <JaneMarple9> She cares for all her family but frightened more for the Twins as they would annoy Voldemort the most [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> this is them following their bliss [14:45] <wahinee93> do they care about appearances? They live by their own accord [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> we had a rather large debate on this in room 13 [14:45] <Islwyn13> I think she thinks they're doing this on a whim... [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> and Molly doesn't think of that at all [14:46] <JaneMarple9> She does care about appearences yes [14:46] <clarkwuf> well, they had been planning it [14:46] <Evreka> Can you imagine the TWINS doing well within MOM??? :doh: [14:46] <clarkwuf> so it's not a whim [14:46] <Alexk> also probably because she's never been a fan of their products herself [14:46] <sdcurtis> Percy is Molly's pride and joy [14:46] <Evreka> :duh: [14:46] <Islwyn13> that they're not really taht serious about startinga business...and that while they're screwing around, their chance of making it deminishes [14:46] <wahinee93> lol, evreka, good point [14:46] <Evreka> :duh: [14:46] <Islwyn13> noj, it's not, but Molly might think it is [14:46] <Evreka> giving up.. [14:46] <clarkwuf> maybe she thinks they [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> nope Evreka, they'd be bored out of their minds [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> one has to think she has a bit of that pureblood view of what is acceptable [14:46] <Islwyn13> that it's a childhood fantasy they're indulging too much [14:46] <clarkwuf> are not responsible enough [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> and business is not on the list [14:46] <JaneMarple9> No, can't see the Twins at a desk job [14:47] <clarkwuf> ya, jane [14:47] <JaneMarple9> they've got the best profession [14:47] <sdcurtis> they'd be causeing havoc in the Ministry if they worked there [14:47] <wahinee93> yeah they do [14:47] <adamgryff> I'm back where are we [14:47] <Aislinn> I think it is more that she is worried about their security prongs [14:47] <Evreka> exactly sdc [14:47] <wahinee93> the twins [14:47] <Islwyn13> might be just what the ministry needs smile [14:47] <futureweasley> unless the desk job involved prank calls and blowing stuff up [14:47] <Islwyn13> a bit of mayhem [14:47] <Aislinn> she wants them to take a job that is safe and secure [14:47] <JaneMarple9> She is frightened that Lord Voldemort might get the Twins [14:47] <Theoriser> I agree Aislinn [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> the twins and Molly's ideas for their future Adam [14:47] <JaneMarple9> yes Aislinn [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> but they aren't like that [14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> she is just being a mom. Its not that she was trying to be too hard on them, but she worries [14:47] <Evreka> How is MoM safer than a joke shop? [14:47] <Theoriser> she doesn't want them to be in danger [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> I am a mom, too [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> and I want what will make my kids happy [14:48] <Islwyn13> more trained wizards at the4 MoM [14:48] <clarkwuf> dangers ok, but it needs to have a point [14:48] <wahinee93> I don't think she was worried about danger, LV wasn't back at that point [14:48] <Islwyn13> in a joke shop, they'd have to be their own protectgion [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> whether or not it is suited to me [14:48] <Evreka> I mean neither should be in the way of harm [14:48] <Aislinn> she does too prongs [14:48] <Islwyn13> I agree, wahinee [14:48] <Aislinn> but balanced with what she feels is best for them [14:48] <sdcurtis> can you imagine the kind of securtiy system those two would rig up [14:48] <Alexk> I think Percy might've gone into the Ministry, just to get the attention of his mom, but Fred and George are strong enough to make their own decisions, and they're going to do waht's good for them [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> I don't know if she's worried about safety at this point or just being able to make a living [14:48] <Islwyn13> yes, but can Molly? [14:48] <Aislinn> when she actually sees them make a go of it, she backs right off [14:48] <adamgryff> I don't think the MOM would be a safter job than the joke shop, lets face it wheres the first sign of trouble going to be [14:48] <futureweasley> I'm not a mom, but I'm a woman...and I think that it's woman's instinct to be protective of the ones you love and want the best for them [14:48] <wahinee93> She may have been afraid her kids would fail and become wizard bums [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a very good point Alex [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> when they prove that the money is good [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> very true fw [14:49] <Evreka> LOL isl, I think they can take care of eachothers for anyone except possibly DEs and LV [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> true FW [14:49] <JaneMarple9> she finally sees that the Twins are dedicated to their joke shop [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was Percy so very taken with his boss, Mr. Crouch? [14:49] <JaneMarple9> perhaps she is secretly proud of him [14:49] <wahinee93> Percy loves power [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> authority [14:49] <futureweasley> Percy wants power [14:49] <stewiegryf> Because he's power hungry [14:49] <clarkwuf> just to get power [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> ugh! I think he aspires to be just like him [14:49] <Evreka> I think because he wanted to suck up to him [14:49] <Islwyn13> Mr. Crouch is everything Percy wants to be [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> Oops, sorry guys. Gotta go . . . duty calls. [14:49] <wahinee93> or maybe its the mustache....=] [14:49] <JaneMarple9> Because Crouch is somebody to look up to [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> by Mr M [14:49] <Evreka> and he is strict with rules [14:49] <adamgryff> because he wants Mr. Crouch's job someday soon [14:49] <Islwyn13> respected, head of department, obsessed with the rules [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> because Crouch is so different from Arthur maybe? [14:49] <futureweasley> and say over people...since he's never had any in his life [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> Grat chat! [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> bye, Mr. M [14:50] <Evreka> and was once nearly MoM [14:50] <clarkwuf> ya, sooner [14:50] <cbm> I think he is what percy aspires to [14:50] <An_Eternal_Night> haha wahinee [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Mr M [14:50] <stewiegryf> Percy should write a book..."how to suck up to those in power" [14:50] <adamgryff> by mrmc [14:50] <Aislinn> they have struggled with money all their lives - its not surprising that she would want financial security for her boys [14:50] <sdcurtis> Crouch is Percy's idea of what a good wizard should be [14:50] * MrMcGonagall gives everyone a pre-end-of-chat hug. [14:50] <JaneMarple9> Maybe Percy looks up to Crouch more than he looks up to his father [14:50] <Islwyn13> agreed, cbm [14:50] <wahinee93> "Brown Nosers 101" [14:50] * DumbleDebbie hugs Mr M back [14:50] <An_Eternal_Night> bye MrM [14:50] <JaneMarple9> Crouch is Percy's new father figure! [14:50] <clarkwuf> lol [14:50] <Evreka> And proved that the MoM meant more than family to him and to Percy the MoM is next to GOD [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> lol wahinee [14:50] <Islwyn13> Oh, definitely, Jane [14:50] <stewiegryf> lol [14:50] <JaneMarple9> Bye Mr McG [14:50] <Alexk> I don't think he was, I think he pretended, just another part of Percy's little suck up plan [14:50] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [14:50] <wahinee93> I think percy is too naive, that's how he got into the whole mess with his dad [14:51] <clarkwuf> but percy does respect mr crouch especially [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Percy respects Crouch more than the majority of his family [14:51] <wahinee93> thinking that the powerful ones are always right [14:51] <Alexk> Mr. Crouch is the man in power, if he pleases Mr.Crouch, he'll get more power [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think Percy finally found/made a family more to his taste [14:51] <Evreka> true Jane [14:51] <clarkwuf> because of his attention to details and following the rules [14:51] <JaneMarple9> agreed PP [14:51] <Islwyn13> I'm still not convinced that Percy is really a power seeker [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> Percy's all about rules and Mr Crouch appears to be to oppitomy of that [14:51] <Islwyn13> more a respect seeker [14:51] <sdcurtis> What Crouch did during Voldemort War I may be something Percy admires [14:51] <Expelliarmas> BC Sr, is everything Arthur isn't [14:51] <JaneMarple9> I am hoping Percy will return to the family in book 7 [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> he wants to be himself--not "another Weasley [14:52] <JaneMarple9> exactly Expel [14:52] <wahinee93> oh me too Jane [14:52] <Islwyn13> I don't think he's power hungry, but he wants to be respected, esp since he doesn't believe his father is [14:52] <stewiegryf> good point debbie [14:52] <Evreka> agree Prongs [14:52] <Alexk> Well, what position demands the most respect in the Wizarding World? MoM right? [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Arthur getting QWC tickets from Ludo Bagman out of gratitude for smoothing over an incident involving Bagman’s brother, Otto, and a lawnmower with unusual powers? [14:52] <clarkwuf> it's cool, no big deal to me [14:52] <wahinee93> seedy [14:52] <Islwyn13> I don't understand how he scored 10 tickets for the top box! [14:52] <JaneMarple9> Arthur knows a lot about Muggle items [14:52] <sdcurtis> no big deal [14:52] <Evreka> I think that's a morality problem [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this was wrong. I hate that I seem to be being hard on all of th Wealeys this chat [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> Arthur's a better politician than I thought [14:52] <stewiegryf> Typical government thing. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> that is what government officials do [14:52] <Islwyn13> (see this week's discussion on ch. 8 ;) ) [14:52] <Islwyn13> (in bowling alley) [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> but what message is it showing to the kids? [14:52] <Expelliarmas> I think that's how things get done, a favor for a favor [14:53] <Evreka> WHY exactly do we think this is better than Lucius or Umbridge's exchange of favours?? [14:53] <clarkwuf> i thought it was merely a plot device [14:53] <JaneMarple9> he was in the right place at the right time [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> it is a patronage system [14:53] * Expelliarmas suddenly hears the theme to sopranos in her heard [14:53] <futureweasley> I will look for that Islwyn! [14:53] <wahinee93> because we like Arthur [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> back-room deals get you perks, Sooner [14:53] *** MrsNextDoor has joined #lounge [14:53] <Expelliarmas> *head [14:53] <Evreka> I agree Sooner! [14:53] <Islwyn13> :smile: [14:53] <MrsNextDoor> hey everyone [14:53] <Aislinn> depends on the details of what the trouble was [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> wb Mrd ND [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> but what is the difference between this and what Umbridge does in book 5? [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> *Mrs [14:53] <Islwyn13> Unbridge does things to hurt people [14:53] <wahinee93> both cases were wrong, but we side with Arthur anyway [14:53] <JaneMarple9> I think Ludo like Arthur a lot [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> I don't, evreka [14:53] <Evreka> Exactly Sooner! hug [14:53] <Islwyn13> to solidify her authority over them... [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> by letting Widderwhins off for inffo [14:54] <clarkwuf> was the lawn mower causing problems? [14:54] <JaneMarple9> that why he gave him tickets [14:54] <Aislinn> no one was trying to control anyone else here sooner [14:54] <adamgryff> door again, I give up. See you later. [14:54] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [14:54] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think that kids will be reading too hard into it [14:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye adam! [14:54] <JaneMarple9> How can a lawn mower cause problems? biggrin [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> but each persion thought they were in the right, so does it matter what we think? Shouldnt it still be wrong? [14:54] <wahinee93> the lawn mower wasnt, Ludo was, Arthur smoothed that over [14:54] <Aislinn> that's my point jane - how big of an infraction was it? [14:54] <Islwyn13> with all those spinning blades?! I can think of a lot of ways... [14:54] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [14:54] <Islwyn13> but I won't...too disturbing smile [14:54] <Evreka> If bewitched to mow its owner for instance... [14:54] <JaneMarple9> biggrin yes Islwyn [14:55] <sdcurtis> we do n't know the details of that though [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> yes, that would be a problem Evreka [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> wink [14:55] <Expelliarmas> maybe Otto enchanted the lawnmower to cut the grass on its own [14:55] <MrsNextDoor> Why does this remind me of Aberforth's goats? [14:55] <wahinee93> I don't know, I think we can surmise that, especially after seeing Ludo try to gamble with the twins [14:55] * ProngsPatronus is going to suggest big leaf bags for Ludo's brother [14:55] <clarkwuf> arthur wouldn't condone anything that dangerous, not even for tickets [14:55] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps when the Muggle turned the mower on, it cut rude words into the grass? biggrin [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I still am a little disappionted that Arthur accepted bribes [14:55] <Islwyn13> If I had a friend who worked in a movie theatre, who was given 2 free tickets to see a movie, adn one was offered to me, I'd take it [14:55] <MrsNextDoor> well, no one's perfect, sooner [14:55] <Evreka> Me too Sooner [14:55] <Islwyn13> not a bribe...I don't think Ludo was trying to get Arthur to do something for him [14:55] <Islwyn13> it was a thank you [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> yes, and he seems to be doing it a lot, Sooner, as I think that's how he got the Floo connected too [14:55] <An_Eternal_Night> maybe it was a gift for what Arthur did? [14:56] <wahinee93> Well, this was Arthur's chance at some pretty pricey tickets [14:56] <JaneMarple9> ITo me it wasn't a bribe, just a lucky break [14:56] <Theoriser> I don't think it's bad if it was out of gratitude [14:56] <Aislinn> really, it was mainly a means for Jo to be able to write in a means for Harry to be where he needed to be, from a plot viewpoint [14:56] <Evreka> Exactly Debbie [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:56] <Islwyn13> LOL, true, Ais, but this is fun smile [14:56] *** clarkwuf has quit [Bye] [14:56] <wahinee93> lol [14:56] <MrsNextDoor> and put yourself in Arthur's shoes. if you were offered tickets to a once-in-a-lifetime event, that you could never ever afford, wouldn't you take it? [14:56] <wahinee93> way to be realistic aislinn [14:56] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't either Theoriser [14:56] <wahinee93> =] [14:56] <stewiegryf> Was the point of Arthur's actions to get the tickets or to help a friend? [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Percy’s bragging at the dinner table? Was it appropriate for him to be so free with information as to Bertha Jorkins? What did you think of his gossiping? [14:56] <JaneMarple9> I am sure Arthur would have got tickets some how [14:56] *** clarkwuf has joined #lounge [14:56] <Islwyn13> he'd already helped Ludo... [14:56] <Alexk> I think Arthur wants the best for his kids, those tickets might've been the only oppurtunity that his kids would'bve had to see the world cup. Arthur doesn't make much money, he's nevev be able to afford the tickets on his own. [14:56] <Aislinn> the Weasleys are poor, so there had to be a way to have them have the tickets that didn't involve money [14:56] <futureweasley> he was "name dropping" [14:56] <Islwyn13> no idea that Ludo would get him tickets to teh QWC [14:57] <Alexk> oh, did we change questions? [14:57] <Evreka> That's an important question Stewie [14:57] <clarkwuf> plot device??? [14:57] <Alexk> oh , we did\ [14:57] <An_Eternal_Night> he wanted to feel important that he knew what others didn't [14:57] <Theoriser> it shows a lot about his character [14:57] <JaneMarple9> If somebody offered me tickets for something big - Id's take them [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> budding politician in the amking [14:57] <MrsNextDoor> Well, I can't answer the Percy question, since I firmly despise him. Entirely [14:57] <Islwyn13> he was trying to show himself as important again [14:57] <sdcurtis> I think it was more impressing however it was also JKR tipping us off [14:57] <stewiegryf> Percy is just trying to geel important and show off some more [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he was just lording the fact over the kids that he had info that they didnt [14:57] <wahinee93> At the dinner table, I think Percy wanted as much to bein the adult conversation [14:57] <cbm> I did not do it with the idea of getting tickets [14:57] <Evreka> It was as bas as everything else he does sad [14:57] <JaneMarple9> I would not care how they got them biggrin [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> but Jane, if they said, here's some tickets but I need you to break one little law for me... [14:57] <Evreka> To even mention the EXISTENCE Of something that's top secret... How old is he? 3? [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> lol Evreka [14:58] <MrsNextDoor> Percy has ambition issues [14:58] <Islwyn13> yes, that would be bribery, Debbie [14:58] <clarkwuf> lol, evreka [14:58] <wahinee93> he's immature [14:58] <Islwyn13> but I really donh't think Arthur did that [14:58] <JaneMarple9> He was trying to show how important his job was [14:58] <stewiegryf> I'd say more about 6 Evreka [14:58] <stewiegryf> ;) [14:58] <wahinee93> 6 and a half! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> yes he's very immature, Percy [14:58] <wahinee93> =D [14:58] <clarkwuf> did he help for the tickets, or were the tickets a thank-you afterwards [14:58] <futureweasley> well you guys, another great chat, but it's just about time for us to wrap it up! [14:58] <Evreka> LOL stewie! [14:58] <clarkwuf> it makes a difference [14:58] <MrsNextDoor> thank-you afterwards [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> do I hear 7? [14:58] <JaneMarple9> he follows others leads [14:58] <Islwyn13> I think they were a tahnk you afterwards [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> :( FW [14:58] <stewiegryf> lol prongs [14:58] <Theoriser> I think so too Islwyn [14:58] <JaneMarple9> sad over so soon sad [14:58] <Alexk> I'm sure he was just bored, and thought it was a good oppurtunity to show off how involved in top-secret busineess he was [14:58] <wahinee93> i know [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Well guys, time got away from us and we did not get to cover chapter 6, but we have decided to do that one next week along with 7-9 [14:59] <clarkwuf> this was fun as always [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> that was too soooon [14:59] <wahinee93> 3 more hours please? [14:59] <Evreka> great [14:59] <Islwyn13> hehe, thanks for the4 chat! [14:59] <sdcurtis> fun [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:59] <Evreka> I'll try to peek in [14:59] <JaneMarple9> 3 more hours? biggrin [14:59] <wahinee93> it was fun [14:59] <MrsNextDoor> see y'all next week. [14:59] <sdcurtis> later everyone [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> sounds like a plan Sooner [14:59] <stewiegryf> We won't tell anyone...scout's honor [14:59] <cbm> I had fun! biggrin [14:59] <Evreka> yep [14:59] <Islwyn13> later guys! *huggles to all* [14:59] <JaneMarple9> I'd be happy with half an hour! [14:59] <wahinee93> same time next week =] [14:59] *** MrsNextDoor left #lounge [] [14:59] * futureweasley starts the the group hug....snuggles for free over here!! [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> GROUP HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:59] *** clarkwuf has quit [Bye] [14:59] *** sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [14:59] <stewiegryf> Same Harry time, Same Harry channel [14:59] <An_Eternal_Night> I had a great time! thanks all! [14:59] <JaneMarple9> whats the topic for PPP tomorrow? [14:59] <Evreka> group hug [14:59] <wahinee93> teletubbies: beeeg huggg [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> (((((group))))) [15:00] * Alexk is sad cause he was late once again, he steals all the left owver halloween candy from last week [15:00] <ProngsPatronus> (((((hugs)))) [15:00] <Evreka> The one who did magic late [15:00] <stewiegryf> Welp, see ya later. [15:00] *** Islwyn13 left #lounge [] [15:00] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [15:00] * Alexk sad hugs everyone [15:00] *** An_Eternal_Night has quit [Bye] [15:00] <Alexk> bye [15:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [15:00] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [15:00] <Evreka> bye [15:00] <wahinee93> couldn't we just stay here and continue chatting? [15:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody and hugs sooner and future extra hard! [15:00] *** Evreka left #lounge [] [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> awwww [15:00] <futureweasley> PPP is Which Character will Perform magic in 7, Jane! [15:00] <Expelliarmas> see you guys later [15:00] <futureweasley> hope to see you there! [15:01] <Theoriser> bye everyone [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> cant wait for that one guys [15:01] <JaneMarple9> oh great! [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* [15:01] <wahinee93> bye [15:01] <JaneMarple9> I can't miss that one [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye everyone!!! [15:01] *** wahinee93 has quit [Bye] [15:01] <JaneMarple9> everybody knows Trevor will perform magic! [15:01] <Aislinn> bye guys! [15:01] <futureweasley> supercharged hug, Prongs!! [15:01] <futureweasley> see you guys later! [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> :-) [15:01] <JaneMarple9> biggrin take care all! [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:01] <futureweasley> bye Jane [15:01] <Theoriser> see you next chat biggrin [15:01] * Expelliarmas starts flicking the lights and breaks out the brooms [15:01] <cbm> bye [15:02] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Prongs, bye cbm [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> bye [15:02] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 4 2006, 04:04 PM |
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