Reading Group Chat - 12/2/06, Chapters 13-15 of Goblet of Fire |
 Dec 2 2006, 04:17 PM
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Today's chat mods were: Aislinn, Fawkes28, Futureweasley, and Expelliarmas.
*** futureweasley has joined #lounge *** Topic is: Open Reading Group chat: Chapters 13 - 15 Goblet of Fire *** Topic set by Aislinn [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] [12:53] <Aislinn> Hi [12:54] <futureweasley> hello there! [12:54] <futureweasley> oops [12:54] <futureweasley> ahh, better [12:54] <futureweasley> hiya Expie [12:55] <Expelliarmas> bonjour [12:57] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:59] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [12:59] <futureweasley> hi HarryFreak! [12:59] <harryfreak359> Hi! [12:59] <Aislinn> Hi harryfreak [12:59] <Aislinn> How are you doing? [13:00] <harryfreak359> Hello everyone Glad to have finally been able to come to one of these! [13:00] <fawkes28> hi hf [13:00] <harryfreak359> Good...you? [13:00] <futureweasley> we are glad you made it too...we've been missing you! [13:00] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [13:00] <harrypotterfan123> hi guys [13:00] <futureweasley> hi hpfan [13:00] <harryfreak359> Well, I've missed all of you, too [13:00] <fawkes28> hi hpfan [13:00] <harryfreak359> hi hpfan! [13:00] <Aislinn> hi hpfan [13:01] <harrypotterfan123> one of the first ones : ) [13:01] <harryfreak359> My computer is running a bit slow today..so may be in and out a lot. [13:01] <futureweasley> yay for timeliness! [13:01] <fawkes28> poor hf you need a new computer for christmas [13:01] <harrypotterfan123> hey guys not to sound REALLY stupid, but where are the smileys? [13:01] <harryfreak359> lol, this was my new computer for christmas [13:01] <futureweasley> well, harryfreak, we did get a new, faster server...so hopefully that won't happen [13:01] <Aislinn> you have to type in the code [13:01] <harrypotterfan123> how do you put a smiley in? [13:01] <fawkes28> awww [13:02] <harrypotterfan123> oh, which i don't know lol [13:02] <harryfreak359> Well, actually it's just Leaky that is being slow today...I dunno why [13:02] <fawkes28> you need a space first then : plus ) together [13:02] <Aislinn> the code is listed next to the smileys in the lookup list on the Lounge [13:02] <harrypotterfan123> i got the popup with the smiley's [13:02] <futureweasley> type *spacebar* *left parenthesis* lol *right parenthesis* [13:02] <harrypotterfan123> it's all good now [13:03] <futureweasley> (lol) [13:03] <futureweasley> oh no, it didn't work! [13:03] <harryfreak359> . . . [13:03] <harryfreak359> lol [13:03] <Aislinn> It's colons, not parentheses here [13:03] <futureweasley> [13:03] <harryfreak359> colons [13:03] <Aislinn> [13:03] <harrypotterfan123> :read: through the smiley's [13:03] <harrypotterfan123> it didn't work [13:03] <fawkes28> this is my favorite, right hf? [13:03] <harryfreak359> yeo [13:03] <harryfreak359> yep* [13:03] <harryfreak359> [13:03] <harrypotterfan123> java script:add_smilie(":read:","smid_8") [13:03] <harrypotterfan123> dang [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> : read: [13:04] <harryfreak359> Some of the smilies don't work in here [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> no! [13:04] <futureweasley> [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> oh thast;s probably why [13:04] <harryfreak359> [13:04] <fawkes28> yes, like squidy [13:04] <harryfreak359> nah, that one works [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> how'd you do that futurweasley? [13:04] <Aislinn> hit your spacebar once, then type in the code [13:04] <harryfreak359> put a space before the code [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> [13:04] <fawkes28> :squid: [13:04] <futureweasley> we need to host a smileys tutorial one of these days [13:04] <futureweasley> lol [13:04] <harrypotterfan123> aaawwww! okay [13:04] <harryfreak359> lol [13:05] <harrypotterfan123> :heart: [13:05] <harrypotterfan123> dang that doesn't work [13:05] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [13:05] <harryfreak359> Wow, it's sure crowded today [13:05] <harrypotterfan123> lol [13:05] <harryfreak359> lol [13:05] <Aislinn> if you type words,, you can follow them with a smiley, but not all of them work [13:05] <futureweasley> because, obviously, even the mods don't get it right some of the time!! [13:05] <futureweasley> hi adam! [13:05] <harryfreak359> Hey Adam! [13:05] <adamgryff> hi everyone! [13:05] <Aislinn> Hi adam [13:05] <fawkes28> hi adam [13:05] <futureweasley> all snowed in there Adam? [13:06] <fawkes28> i like this one [13:06] <fawkes28> hehe [13:06] <adamgryff> we're quiet today [13:06] <harryfreak359> lol fawkes [13:06] <harrypotterfan123> if anyone here is a chamber of chat member (harryfreak) just a reminder, the slytherin common room comews out 5pm eastern today [13:06] <Aislinn> ack! the greasy git has invaded the Booth! [13:06] <adamgryff> kind of today, I got out this morning it wasn't bad [13:06] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:06] <futureweasley> that's good!! [13:06] <fawkes28> is good [13:07] <harryfreak359> [13:07] <Aislinn> is evile [13:07] <fawkes28> aislinn, what is wrong? [13:07] <futureweasley> :snape is a greasy git who needs to be boiled in a vat of shampoo: [13:07] <Aislinn> LOL [13:07] <adamgryff> lol [13:07] <fawkes28> that is not a smiley future [13:07] <harryfreak359> lol [13:07] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:07] <futureweasley> yeah, well...it should be [13:07] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG [13:07] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [13:07] <adamgryff> hi Mr. McG [13:08] <Aislinn> Hi Mr M [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! [13:08] <fawkes28> i knew you were going to say that! [13:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.M! [13:08] <adamgryff> Have you ventured out Mr. McG [13:08] * futureweasley is safe in her computer chair at home...no worries [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Not really. [13:08] <fawkes28> all that snow does not sound like fun [13:08] <adamgryff> I went out this morning its not bad on the main roads [13:08] <harryfreak359> Agreed Fawkes [13:08] <futureweasley> scratch Maggie behind the ears for me, okay? [13:09] <Aislinn> we didn't get any snow up here in the Northeast, but had massive thunderstorms with huge wind gusts last night - thousands of folks are without power [13:09] <harryfreak359> Awwww....that's horrible [13:09] * MrMcGonagall scratches Maggie behind the ears for future. Maggie enjoys it. [13:09] <fawkes28> luckily your power is still on [13:09] *** HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [13:10] <Aislinn> yes! the people across the street don't have any though [13:10] <fawkes28> it did get very cold last night but no snow thank goodness [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I'm worried about DMD. There were 350,000 people without power in the St. Louis aarea. [13:10] *** HPotterExpert2 has quit [Bye] [13:10] <fawkes28> oh that stinks, aislinn [13:10] <futureweasley> wow, I read that MrMcG [13:10] <adamgryff> I saw DMD in the Great Hall about 10 minutes ago Mr. McG [13:10] <Aislinn> better them than me, fawkes [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, good! She has power then. [13:10] <harryfreak359> While some of the country has to go out and shovel their driveways, I've got to go out and water the lawn...something is wrong. I saw DMD too [13:10] <futureweasley> I'm so glad to hear that! [13:10] <fawkes28> lol or else you'd probably be across the street [13:10] <Aislinn> it happened the other way around last storm - I sat in the dark and looked over at their twinkling lights [13:11] * futureweasley is on a plane to see HarryFreak directly after the chat [13:11] <harryfreak359> Great Future! [13:11] <futureweasley> just no hotdishes when I get there, k? [13:11] * fawkes28 is going to hide in future's suitcase [13:11] <futureweasley> [13:11] <harryfreak359> We'll have fun...sitting in the sun and eating chocolate or something lol [13:12] <fawkes28> how warm is it there? [13:12] <harryfreak359> even though it's only 46 here... [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> Oooh, that's chilly for Arizona. [13:12] <harryfreak359> nonon [13:12] <fawkes28> oh boo that's what it is here too...i think i'll stay [13:12] <futureweasley> that's 20 degrees warmer than my HIGH today [13:12] <adamgryff> 46 missing the warm days of winter [13:12] <harryfreak359> That was earlier.... [13:12] <harryfreak359> it's 52 now..and it is supposed to get to 67 [13:12] * Expelliarmas finds it easier to stay quiet when talk turns to cold weather [13:13] <fawkes28> lucky duck [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> I'm thinking of how quickly our ice and snow would melt off in 67 degrees. [13:13] <harryfreak359> lol expie [13:13] <Aislinn> I like the cold weather - I would totally wilt in the heat down your way expie [13:13] <Expelliarmas> what heat? [13:13] <Expelliarmas> we've never hit a 100 degrees [13:13] <fawkes28> lol [13:14] <harrypotterfan123> i wish we were 100 degrees here [13:14] <harrypotterfan123> in michigan we never get that hot [13:14] <harryfreak359> Lucky.. 100 everyday during the summer here, at least [13:14] <Expelliarmas> neither have the keys nor tampa [13:14] <Aislinn> 90 is too high too [13:14] <harrypotterfan123> it's like 30 here [13:14] <futureweasley> yuck...it was 100 in NYC this summer...I thought I was going to die [13:14] <fawkes28> 90 is great [13:14] <adamgryff> No you don't wish it his 100 degrees, its worse than being cold [13:14] <Expelliarmas> well, truth be told, its about 86 today [13:14] <harrypotterfan123> once i was in arizona on vacation, and it was 110 [13:14] <harryfreak359> But our 100 is much better than anywhere else's 100 lol [13:14] <harrypotterfan123> it was SO hot [13:14] <Aislinn> ugh - too hot [13:15] <harryfreak359> that's about normal hpfan [13:15] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [13:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:15] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:15] <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:15] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:15] <Aislinn> The trio check their schedules as they breakfast in the Great Hall. Ron notes Hermione is eating again—ominously she’s decided there are better ways to stand up for elfin rights (and she was peckish). Harry frets over whether Sirius got his letter. At Herbology, the class collects Bubotuber pus-an excellent remedy for the most stubborn forms of acne. [13:16] <Aislinn> Hagrid’s got Blast-Ended Skrewts. Disgusting animals of which he knows nothing. Draco asks why anyone would want to raise them. Hermione defends Hagrid but later admits to a sly Ron she only did it to put down Draco. Trelawney talks about Harry. Saturn was in a position of power at his birth—his dark hair, mean stature, tragic losses so young in life. She asks if he was born in mid-winter. [13:16] <Aislinn> Draco taunts Ron about a Prophet article and Molly. Ron’s kept from pummeling the little punk. Harry has a go at Narcissa. When Harry turns his back, ol’ Draco tries to jinx him, but misses. BANG and … Draco—the amazing bouncing ferret. Moody teaches Draco a lesson. McGonagall turns Draco back and he threatens Moody with Lucius. Moody, however, knows Lucius and Snape from days gone by. [13:16] <Aislinn> Neville struggles in Potions–thanks to greaseball. Hermione lives in the library. Snape avoids and seems subdued around Moody. In DADA, Moody graphically teaches the Unforgivable Curses–at Dumbledore’s behest. Neville and Harry come away with lots of heavy thoughts from this lesson. Moody warns them to be constantly vigilant. Hermione talks about S.P.E.W. Sirius writes–he’s coming back. [13:16] <Aislinn> Harry sends Sirius a letter telling him there’s no need to come back. Moody puts the Imperius Curse on the students–only Harry is able to shake it off. Fred and George continue to act oddly. Sirius returns and is in hiding. The Beauxbatons and Durmstrang contingencies arrive. [13:16] <Aislinn> Ready? Good! Let’s talk about Chapters 13-15 of GoF. [13:17] <Aislinn> Harry doesn’t care for Trelawney’s constant predictions as to his death. Why didn’t he complain to McGonagall? [13:17] <adamgryff> hi bemused, gryffinclaw [13:17] <Gryffinclaw> hi guys [13:17] <fawkes28> harry is not the complaining type [13:17] <Aislinn> hi folks [13:17] <bemused> hello everyone [13:17] <Gryffinclaw> Because he knows she knows she is a fraud [13:17] <harryfreak359> Harry doesn't complain really... [13:17] <harryfreak359> and he knows not to be bothered by it anyways. [13:17] <Expelliarmas> What could McG really do about it though? [13:17] <bemused> He doesn't seem to take problems to teachers [13:17] <Aislinn> I don't think that he would believe that McGonagall would do anything about it [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's just one of those things where the students roll their eyes. Trelawney - the great inside joke of Hogwarts. [13:17] <adamgryff> because he thinks she wa fraud and its not worth dicussing [13:17] <fawkes28> he prefers to handle many things on his own [13:18] <futureweasley> because he already knows that McGonagall will be just as skeptical about it as he is...and there's really nothing that can be done about it [13:18] <Expelliarmas> oh, I think it does bother him, but he doesnt usually complain, does he [13:18] <harrypotterfan123> :darkmark: because trelawney is a DE :deatheater: [13:18] <cloudpic> Hi, everyone... [13:18] <Aislinn> teachers don't seem to interfere in how other teachers manage their classes or classrooms [13:18] <cloudpic> Hope all's well [13:18] <futureweasley> hi cloudpic [13:18] <adamgryff> hi cloudpic [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Trelawney would just say that she can't change the signs. [13:18] <cloudpic> Harry's not a whiner, is he? [13:18] <futureweasley> right, Harry's tough as nails [13:19] <fawkes28> also mcgonagall is similar to hermione so harry would know what to expect her to say [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney just reads the signs. [13:19] <futureweasley> and little snivelling about Trelawney isn't his style [13:19] <Expelliarmas> I think she embellishes the signs [13:19] <Aislinn> Why didn’t Eloise Midgen know about the uses of bubotuber pus? What would’ve forced her to take such drastic measures as trying to curse her acne off her face? [13:19] <cloudpic> Too young or doesn't pay attention in class...or muggleborn? [13:20] <futureweasley> it's desperate and stupid adolescence, isn't it? [13:20] <cloudpic> Hard time of life... [13:20] <futureweasley> don't use your head...just do the first thing that comes to mind!! [13:20] <Expelliarmas> well, if she was muggleborn, she couldve gotten over the counter meds for her condition [13:20] <bemused> Girls get very self-conscious at that age - perhaps she hadn't done bubotubers in class [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> Well, if she's in Harry's year, she wouldn't have known about them until class in the 4th year. [13:20] <cloudpic> All that talk of acne was to prepare us for later angst, no?> [13:20] <adamgryff> she didn't know about it obviously and was trying to rid it herself. [13:20] <Aislinn> She may not have been exposed to the bubotuber class by the time she decided to try the hex [13:20] <fawkes28> and teenagers brains are not fully developed yet so sometimes they make impulsive decisions [13:20] <Expelliarmas> couldnt she have asked Madam Pomfrey for help? [13:20] <futureweasley> yes clould...I think it's a great and subtle setup [13:20] <Expelliarmas> before she blew her nose off, that is [13:20] <Aislinn> she could have expie, yes [13:20] <Gryffinclaw> She was probably too embarressed [13:21] <futureweasley> I wouldn't ask Madam Pomfrey for help...she scares me [13:21] <Aislinn> she does? [13:21] <cloudpic> Agreed...Fawkes28, they need external consciences and guides often! [13:21] <futureweasley> she's really stern [13:21] <Aislinn> I think she's pretty nice - much more approachable than Pince [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> It seemed a very teenagery thing to do, and it provides the readers with a good laugh. [13:21] <harryfreak359> Yeah, I agree Mr.M [13:21] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...you're right about that [13:21] <bemused> Yes, there is that to it Mr McG [13:22] <Aislinn> Skrewts—what are these things? What did you think of these things? How did Hagrid get so many? Why doesn’t Hagrid know anything about them? Why does Hagrid think the Slytherins would be thrilled to see these things? [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Well, she ended up going to madam pomfrey in the end [13:22] <cloudpic> I've liked Madame Pomfrey... she's only fierce when defending her patients [13:22] <Aislinn> I agree cloudpic [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Aren't they a new breed that Hagrid has created? [13:22] <futureweasley> a mix between a firecrab and a mantacle [13:22] <cloudpic> Hagrid was breeding them, bet! (again outside the rule of [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Oh, when I first read that I thought "ay, Hagrid, no!" [13:22] <futureweasley> according to Rita Skeeter later [13:22] <cloudpic> "law" [13:22] <cloudpic> Yeah... [13:22] <Aislinn> he pretty much admitted that to Rita, if we are to believe her(a dangerous thing to do) [13:23] <bemused> Well, you might expect a Slytherin to like things that can sting, bite and explode - think of all the things you could do with them! [13:23] <Expelliarmas> Why does he go for breeding "new" monsters? Why arent the current ones good enough? [13:23] <adamgryff> skrewts a meance and he should have not been teaching them to a group of 4th years until knew more about them [13:23] <cloudpic> Agreed, Aislinn ;) [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, I bet he had permission given to breed them for the Tournament. It just wasn't public because the tasks were supposed to be secret. [13:23] <adamgryff> I love Hagrid, but it was careless [13:23] <Gryffinclaw> He just wanted some fun [13:23] <futureweasley> Hagrid doesn't really have a "pulse" on the student's opinions...he's alarmingly "head in the clouds" about Magical Creatures [13:23] <Aislinn> do you think so, Mr M - specifically for the third task? [13:24] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he does it for fun, he really thinks those things are lovely [13:24] <cloudpic> But learning about creatures is a step by step process... I think his intention was to provide a gradual lesson in the animal's development [13:24] <bemused> I think it's just curiosity with Hagrid - he does it because he can, and he can never believe that any creature is all bad [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> I rather think so. I think the tasks were all planned in advance. [13:24] <harryfreak359> It seemed to be a very hagrid thing to do...and he doesn't quite understand that the students don't view animals the same as him [13:24] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that he had an idea of what to teach about them; he was learning as he went along too [13:24] <Aislinn> I think you're right bemused - he is totally fascinated by all kinds of outlandish creatures and always has been [13:24] <adamgryff> agree harryfreak [13:24] <Gryffinclaw> Maybe he wanted to show them off to Madame Maxine [13:24] <cloudpic> As easily as the wizarding world heal wounds... doesn't seem too dangerous after all Quidditch is dangerous too [13:24] <Aislinn> Did you find yourself agreeing with Draco about the Skrewts? [13:25] <cloudpic> As is the work they do in Herbology!! [13:25] <futureweasley> actually, yes [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Grudingly, yes [13:25] <adamgryff> probably the only time in the book, yes [13:25] <Gryffinclaw> No becaus eit's Draco but if someone else had said it yes [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> Erm, yes. [13:25] <cloudpic> No, I don't. [13:25] <Aislinn> I actually really liked his sarcastic comment about htem [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Hermione's idea was better, though [13:25] <Aislinn> *them [13:25] <cloudpic> I don't think Hagrid's dangers are any greater than those of Prof. Sprout [13:25] <futureweasley> "what would we want to do that for? what is the point of them?" those are things I, too, would be asking [13:25] <Expelliarmas> just stamp out the lot of them [13:26] <cloudpic> Not a very "green" comment, Expell! [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> For a classroom project, I wonder what value the skrewts really had for the students' magical education. [13:26] <fawkes28> i agree gryffinclaw - i don't like to agree with draco [13:26] <futureweasley> lol cloud [13:26] <adamgryff> seems to me all the classes have there own dangers in them [13:26] <Expelliarmas> I'm not a "green" kinda gal [13:26] <cloudpic> You never know the benefits of a critter if you judge it by your first reaction [13:26] <cloudpic> LOL [13:26] <Aislinn> I'm not sure that is what is central to Hagrid's thought process Mr M [13:26] <futureweasley> well, they had stingers, suckers and pinchers... [13:26] <cloudpic> That's because you live where there are flying roaches in the area! [13:27] <Expelliarmas> They should've just whacked them with a 2x4 and called it a day [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> Unfortunately, that has been true too many times, Aislinn! [13:27] <futureweasley> and they were meant to walk them around and feed them...that seems rather dangerous to me [13:27] <fawkes28> lol expie [13:27] <harryfreak359> LOL Expie, [13:27] <cloudpic> Yes, they are dangerous in various ways [13:27] <Aislinn> What did you think of Hermione for standing up for Hagrid about the Skrewts? Was Hermione right about the skrewts? [13:27] <cloudpic> Think of where we'd be if bee keepers didn't do their work! [13:27] <fawkes28> hermione is very loyal [13:27] <harryfreak359> Well, I certainly would have done the same in her position, I liked her for doing that. Shows her loyalty [13:27] <Expelliarmas> I loved Hermione standing up for Hagrid. But then, that's her "thing" isn't it? She stands up for elves, Hagrid [13:27] <cloudpic> She didn't believe her own comments, did she? Didn't she admit that to Ron? [13:28] <futureweasley> Hermione just wanted to check Draco...I think it was about being disrespectful to a teacher in general vs. personal loyalty [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> I admire Hermione for it, but she seems to be developing a habit of taking up lost causes. [13:28] <cloudpic> She just can't stand Draco. [13:28] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I saw it as a very loyal comment - but she was right in her comment after class about stamping out the lot [13:28] <adamgryff> Hi think Hermione was stading up for Hagrid not the skrewts, she didn't beleive what she was saying [13:28] * cloudpic can't stand Draco either. [13:28] <Aislinn> exactly cloudpic [13:28] <cloudpic> I'm with you Adamgryff [13:28] <Aislinn> ok, back to Trelawney: [13:28] <Aislinn> Why is Trelawney’s classroom only accessible via the silver step-ladder? Why doesn’t it have a staircase? [13:28] <Expelliarmas> Well, she does stand up for Hagrid later in the book. It's more her affection for Hagrid coupled with a loathing of Draco [13:29] <adamgryff> um..no idea [13:29] <fawkes28> i think the step-ladder makes her class more mystical [13:29] <Expelliarmas> I have such a hard time picturing Trelawney working her way up the ladder [13:29] <futureweasley> maybe that's a nod to how "unstable" the class is [13:29] <harryfreak359> lol, future [13:29] <cloudpic> It's a good think for Harry and Ron to see here... and for the readers to note as well since standing up for friends becomes an issue later [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> Symbolic of bats in the belfry. [13:29] <bemused> Much more impressive that way (and maybe she does have a back staircase just for her self [13:29] <futureweasley> ladder, unstable...stairs, more even footing [13:29] <cloudpic> Maybe Trelawny just "floats" up...? [13:30] <cloudpic> Can witches/wizards levitate? [13:30] <Aislinn> I think it symbolizes how separate Trelawney is from the school as a whole(and reality, for that matter) [13:30] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Attics are mysterious and secretive places. [13:30] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [13:30] <futureweasley> I like that Aislinn...that makes sense [13:30] <cloudpic> Oh, good point, future... it fits well with the symbolism [13:30] <adamgryff> agree aislinn [13:30] <cloudpic> And [13:31] <cloudpic> Aislinn... her alienation, both self inflicted and a result of the "shakiness" of her "calling." [13:31] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, good points [13:31] <Aislinn> Did Trelawney really know Harry was preoccupied with Sirius because of her Inner-Eye, or did Harry look like he had a lot on his mind? Could Trelawney actually be seeing something? [13:31] <futureweasley> there's a thread idea for the RG's!! [13:31] <cloudpic> I genuinely don't know. [13:32] <harryfreak359> Hmmm....no idea...I think she may have picked up on it though [13:32] <cloudpic> If it's real... she didn't interpret the image correctly [13:32] <fawkes28> i think she sees things but she gets ideas mixed up [13:32] <futureweasley> I'm sure that Harry looked perplexed...he sort of tends to wear his heart and his emotions on his sleeve and VERY close to the surface [13:32] <adamgryff> I think she might have picked up on both and mixed things up a bit [13:32] <cloudpic> Yes, fawkes! [13:32] <fawkes28> and therefore is often wrong [13:32] <Expelliarmas> If she's a fraud, then she's likely figured out how to look at folks to pick up on body language; if she's real, but lacking in confdidence, she might "see" something, but embellish it [13:32] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [13:32] <Aislinn> I think that like many "psychics", Trelawney is able to read body language and use it to make it sound like she knows something [13:32] <Expelliarmas> echo [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Expie. [13:33] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, she is very good at reading people [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> and Aislinn. [13:33] <cloudpic> I'm in the same place [13:33] <cloudpic> We're a suspicious lot! LOL [13:33] <futureweasley> yes, we are! [13:33] <bemused> She does seem to sense things sometimes - though I think that even she doesn't really believe in what she's doing [13:33] <futureweasley> but she's made it so! [13:33] <adamgryff> yes, we are [13:33] <cloudpic> Good for us! [13:33] <Aislinn> I do have a nagging wonder about whether she does actually see some things though [13:33] <futureweasley> you don't bemused? [13:33] <cloudpic> brb [13:33] <Expelliarmas> it's because she doesn't believe in herself that she doesnt have a clearer idea of what she's seeing [13:33] <fawkes28> i think she does but doesn't have much confidence at all so she puts on a show [13:34] <futureweasley> I think she takes herself entirely too seriously...siriusly. [13:34] <bemused> No - all that incense and over-acting - I think she really feels she's a fraud [13:34] <Aislinn> I think that you guys are right - she has doubts about her own ability [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think she spews predictions so quickly that the law of averages demands she get one right once in a while. [13:34] <fawkes28> lol future [13:35] <futureweasley> that makes sense, bemused [13:35] <fawkes28> and she needs to get things right for reading purposes so we can ponder her ability [13:35] <Aislinn> that could be possible too Mr M [13:35] <futureweasley> I had never really thought of her having that much self doubt before [13:35] <harryfreak359> I agree that hse has doubts about her abilities [13:35] <bemused> Remember when Harry did tell her about her real prophecy she wouldn't belive him [13:35] <harryfreak359> ...lag.... [13:35] <bemused> oops "believe [13:35] <adamgryff> my guess is she doesnt ever remember the true ones and has never thought of herself as a true seer [13:35] <Aislinn> Is there a difference between Trelawney’s Inner-Eye and Mad-Eye Moody’s Magical Eye? If so, what is it? [13:35] <fawkes28> i think she has a lot of self-doubt future - which is why she takes part in certain behaviors [13:36] <Expelliarmas> he believes what he sees; she doesn't [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> The difference betweens something that works and something that doesn't. [13:36] <futureweasley> Mad Eye's is realisticly perceptive...Trelawney's doesn't exist [13:36] <bemused> Moody's sees what exists - it doesn't need interpretation [13:36] *** MrLestrange has joined #lounge [13:36] <fawkes28> exactly, bemused [13:36] *** MrLestrange has quit [Bye] [13:36] <futureweasley> hi MrLestrange [13:36] <harryfreak359> Yeah, because the magical eye is a device that can actually see something, it's factual. Trelawney's "inner eye" works more subtly it has to be looked at and interrupted, it is not fact [13:36] <futureweasley> I think that's likely why she drinks [13:37] <Aislinn> Yes, I think that Moody's eye is created to perform specific magical functions - being able to see through solid objects being the pimary function [13:37] <bemused> poor dear! [13:37] <Aislinn> hers is much more ambiguous and abstract [13:37] <cloudpic> Goodness! Can he see through robes!! [13:37] <Expelliarmas> i think so [13:37] <harryfreak359> Interpreted* not interrupted. lol [13:37] <cloudpic> Ack! [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, you'd think for somebody who always sees his audience naked, he would be more cheerful. [13:38] <Aislinn> if he can see through invisibility cloaks, he can probably see through robes too [13:38] <cloudpic> Poor McGonagall and Sprout and Sinistra.... [13:38] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.M [13:38] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [13:38] <adamgryff> lol [13:38] <fawkes28> that is not a good thing [13:38] <cloudpic> LOL Mr. MCG [13:38] <Aislinn> Why are Lavender and Parvati such big admirers of Trelawney? [13:38] <cloudpic> Maybe there's some kind of filter... she said hopefully. [13:38] <futureweasley> because they are silly girls [13:39] <fawkes28> they are silly girls [13:39] <Expelliarmas> I've thought those two were lightweights [13:39] <Expelliarmas> magical lightweights [13:39] <harryfreak359> I think that they may find it mystical and mysterious...and maybe they are dwellling on the future too mcuh [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think they've found a subject where they can excel. [13:39] <cloudpic> Don't they love the drama and the mystery and the excitement, though. That's not just silliness [13:39] <fawkes28> they get caught up in the "show" that trelawney puts on [13:39] <cloudpic> Exactly, fawkes [13:39] <futureweasley> they are more willing to believe is "the beyond" than in reality...it's far easier to be "mysterious" that be "right" [13:39] <Expelliarmas> they're too thick to see through the show [13:39] <Aislinn> I agree, cloudpic - I think they view it as romantic somehow [13:39] <fawkes28> yes, they are, expie [13:40] <adamgryff> becuase they are easily drawn to the subjec to the unknown being known, they are the gossipers of the class [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> I rather see them as being much like Trelawney, in a way. [13:40] <futureweasley> right Adam...much more to talk about in perception than in reality [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Lavender more so than Parvarti, MrM [13:40] <harryfreak359> I agree Adam [13:40] <fawkes28> i wonder what they wrote down for their predictions...they must have thought it was the greatest homework assignment ever [13:40] <cloudpic> Yes, Aislinn, and it may be that they're "kindred spirits" maybe they've had inklings of talent like that without the confonfidence to work it well [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> Although, interestingly, the girls were rather keen to ditch Trelawney in favor of Firenze. Teenage girls. [13:41] <fawkes28> lol [13:41] <Expelliarmas> well, if they're looking for confidence, Trelawney ain't the source [13:41] <cloudpic> He's even more dramatic... and handsome to boot! [13:41] <Aislinn> fickle teenagers [13:41] <futureweasley> they still show Trelawney unwavering respect though [13:41] <Expelliarmas> he's a nag [13:41] <Aislinn> What did you think of Ron asking Lavender if he could have a peek at her Uranus and his reaction to getting the entire class loaded with a tons of homework. Were you surprised to hear Trelawney sound more like McGonagall than her usual, airy-fairy self? [13:41] <cloudpic> hmpfff Mr. MCG. Having been a teenage girl (many moons ago) I'll take umbridge at that! lol [13:42] <futureweasley> there was some foreshadowing, too! [13:42] <Expelliarmas> Ron and his big mouth! Don't know why he complained, though [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> No, Trelawney can be a bit sharp when she knows she's being challenged or - as is more often the case - mocked. [13:42] <fawkes28> which makes me believe that she puts on a show for everyone to get them to "believe" in her abilities [13:42] <cloudpic> Shall we say that's a typical teenage boy! [13:42] * cloudpic hangs head in shame for stereotyping. lol [13:42] <adamgryff> It did seem a bit strange for Trelwany, but Ron was being a typical teenage boy [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. [13:42] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [13:42] <Expelliarmas> "miserable old bat" [13:42] <Aislinn> I think that she is very sensitive to having anyone make fun of her class, and that she reacts most strongly when that happens [13:42] <futureweasley> you're totally right, cloudpic [13:42] <adamgryff> yes, aislinn [13:42] <Expelliarmas> I agree, she knows she's putting on a show [13:43] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [13:43] <Aislinn> When Trelawney made her prediction about Harry being born in December, was she “seeing” Harry or Tom Riddle? If she’s seeing Tom Riddle, Jr., why do you suppose that’s happening? What did Trelawney mean about “mean stature” and “tragic losses so young in life?” [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> I thought ron's comment was hilarious. As soon as grade school kids are introduced to the solar system, that joke always comes up! [13:43] <futureweasley> there is some insight here, too, about how Ron views Lavender. Can you imagine him EVER saying that to Hermione? [13:43] <futureweasley> I think not [13:43] <cloudpic> She does it as a shield to protect that self-doubt. Well, we all wear masks sometimes. [13:43] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [13:43] <fawkes28> i think she was picking up on tom's connection with harry [13:43] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:43] <Aislinn> that was what I thought too, fawkes [13:44] <Expelliarmas> I thought she was seeing Tom Riddle, not Harry [13:44] <adamgryff> I think she was picking up on tom instead of Harry [13:44] <cloudpic> Interesting question! Was she sensing LV's "hook-up to Harry? [13:44] <fawkes28> even though everyone thought she was wrong, she was really right in a way [13:44] <Aislinn> bemused, this is the question again: When Trelawney made her prediction about Harry being born in December, was she “seeing” Harry or Tom Riddle? If she’s seeing Tom Riddle, Jr., why do you suppose that’s happening? What did Trelawney mean about “mean stature” and “tragic losses so young in life?” [13:44] <Expelliarmas> I think so, cloudpic [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> It's hard to say. I'm always so hesitant to put any credence in Trelawney's ability to read signs. [13:44] <fawkes28> it's scary how right she can be sometimes [13:44] <bemused> The 'mean stature' doesn't make much sense to me if it's Tom - he was tall [13:44] <cloudpic> That's fascinating... that'd give her talents more credence [13:45] <fawkes28> she is an interesting character [13:45] <Expelliarmas> tragic losses so young in life--could refer to either one [13:45] <bemused> (and thanks for repeating the question) [13:45] <Aislinn> I think it is so interesting that what she was describing matched Tom so closely [13:45] * cloudpic sad to admit Trelawniy has any talent except as an actress [13:45] <Aislinn> It does make you wonder if that is what she was tapping into [13:45] <Expelliarmas> maybe she referred to Tom Riddle at the age of 14, bemused; he might not have been so tall at that point [13:45] <cloudpic> *Trelawny [13:45] <fawkes28> and it reminds us that tom and harry are similar because of their losses [13:45] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:45] <Aislinn> hi pleshette [13:45] <cloudpic> Is LV tall at this point though? [13:45] <adamgryff> hi pleshette [13:45] <fawkes28> hi pleshette [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> And Tom was always very thin, too. Maybe not as scrawny as Harry is described, but thin nonetheless. [13:46] <cloudpic> Hi, Butterfly! [13:46] <Expelliarmas> but when she refers to Harry being born in December, that told me she was seeing TR, who was born in December [13:46] <bemused> I thought he was described as tall even at 11 [13:46] <Pleshette> Hey everyone! [13:46] <bemused> hello Pleshette [13:46] <cloudpic> But, "now" I mean... he's in that little baby body...?? [13:46] <Aislinn> she doesn't say short though, she says "mean stature" [13:46] <Aislinn> that could mean small overall, not just height [13:46] <cloudpic> Isn't that short? [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe Trelawney is mixing up the prediction a bit though, considering Harry is sitting right in front of her. [13:47] <fawkes28> i didn't take it to mean short [13:47] <cloudpic> Could be, but stature paired with a comment about size ... [13:47] <cloudpic> Maybe meant to have a double/treble meaning. [13:47] <cloudpic> Or she's embellinsing again... Harry's a bit short [13:47] <cloudpic> embellishing [13:47] <Expelliarmas> what else can statutre refer to? does it just refer to height? [13:48] <Aislinn> well, she definitely thought she was talking about Harry [13:48] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [13:48] <futureweasley> hi Pleshette (sorry I'm late with the welcome) [13:48] * Pleshette waves to future [13:48] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:48] <fawkes28> maybe broadness? [13:48] <bemused> I think it's basically height, Expie [13:48] <Aislinn> Why wouldn’t Mad-Eye Moody care for people who attack when their opponent’s back is turned? Was that a sentiment of the real Mad-Eye Moody or was this something fake Mad-Eye Moody believed? [13:48] <Expelliarmas> it also refers to elevation and standing [13:49] <adamgryff> expie, stature also relates to status [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think he has it in for Draco, via Lucius. [13:49] <Pleshette> I think the real Moody would've gone along with that sentiment, [13:49] <cloudpic> Yeah, you're right, Expell - [13:49] <Pleshette> but i don't think he would've attacked a child, [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Pleshette. [13:49] <fawkes28> i think this was barty because voldemort does believe in proper dueling as we see later so i think he influenced BCJ [13:49] <Expelliarmas> so not just height [13:49] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M - we find out much later that he is very contemptuous of the DEs who didn't remain loyal to LV [13:49] <bemused> I think it's possible something they would both object to [13:50] <cloudpic> It's funny, both of them have reason to fear backstabbing as well as sneak attacks [13:50] <Expelliarmas> This was a real Moody trait, fake Moody has no such scruples [13:50] <futureweasley> I think that Crouch Jr thinks that he was attacked with his back turned...it seems like personal preference in morals [13:50] <Aislinn> and he probably views Draco as portraying the same qualities as his father [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Besides, it's not in the interest of "the master plan" for Harry to get injured while at school. [13:50] <Pleshette> I agree Aislinn [13:51] <fawkes28> right and he needs to look like he is on harry's side [13:51] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:51] <adamgryff> ture Mr. McG, it would kill the plan if Harry gets hurt now [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Debbie! [13:51] <Pleshette> I could see BCJ taking the opportunity to stick it to Lucius [13:51] <cloudpic> Hi, DumbleDebbie [13:51] <Aislinn> it was his job to get Harry to that portkey [13:51] <adamgryff> hi Debbie [13:51] <fawkes28> hi debbie [13:51] <Aislinn> hi Debbie [13:51] <Pleshette> Hey Debbie! [13:51] <fawkes28> definitely, pleshette [13:51] <cloudpic> Agreed, Pleshette [13:51] <bemused> hello Debbie [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> Hey all! Just had to feed my flock of flying lobsters [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> lol! [13:51] <cloudpic> LOL [13:51] <Aislinn> lol [13:51] * Pleshette ducks [13:51] <adamgryff> lol [13:51] <Aislinn> What did you think of Draco being transformed into a ferret and bounced off the pavement? Did he learn anything? Did he deserve it? [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> Loved it! I doubt he learned much [13:52] <fawkes28> loved this part - jo has wonderful humor [13:52] <bemused> I think he learned to be careful when Moody was around [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with McGonagall - transfiguration should never be used as a punishment. Good grief! [13:52] <cloudpic> Gotta admit, loved it loved it loved it and laughed out loud! He learned to be less nasty around Moody... [13:52] <Pleshette> me too bemused [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> He definitely deserved to be punished for hexing in the hall [13:52] <Aislinn> I thought it was great [13:52] <Expelliarmas> that's pretty much all he learned, bemused [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> although part of me enjoyed the bouncing ferret. [13:52] <fawkes28> i think this made him think twice when he was around moody [13:52] <Aislinn> yes, he didn't learn that what he did was wrong, just that he needed to watch out for that DADA teacher [13:53] <adamgryff> I hope he learned to be more careful on who's around, I loved this part inthe book. Bouncing Ferret all ove the school [13:53] <Pleshette> He deserved it but I think Moody took it too far bouncing him [13:53] <cloudpic> Yeah, I used to resent other teachers using writing compostions as punishment... [13:53] <Expelliarmas> nah, it made him look more carefully for Moody [13:53] <Pleshette> causing him pain [13:53] <Aislinn> it did sound very painful pleshette [13:53] <DumbleDebbie> ooo Pleshette, but that was the best part! [13:53] <cloudpic> LOL! [13:53] <DumbleDebbie> Bwahahaha! [13:53] <Aislinn> that was the only part that gave me pause - bouncing 10 feet up and down on a stone floor - ouch! [13:53] <Expelliarmas> that was a giveaway we were dealing with a DE; real Moody brought back DEs alive [13:53] <cloudpic> My secret guilty belief too, DumbleDebbie! [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> lol CP [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> As much as I enjoyed it, I think it was a very inappropriate punishment. [13:54] <cloudpic> Draco is such a thorn. [13:54] <adamgryff> bouncing, bouncing, little draco ferret all over the school. I'm like Ron I want to remember it forever [13:54] <Pleshette> I'm no lover of Draco and I enjoyed him being turned into a ferret, but inflicting pain was going too far imo [13:54] <cloudpic> *sighs* and I agree, Mr. McG. [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> lol Adam, it was a mental images for the ages [13:54] <Expelliarmas> yes, but causing pain is what DEs do [13:54] <Aislinn> I do have to say that I loved when Hermione used it against Draco later on, pretending to wave hi to Moody and then calling Draco a twitchy little ferret [13:54] <cloudpic> I'd have stood back a minute if I were McGonagall... then corrected the situation [13:55] <Pleshette> Oh yeay, me too Ais! [13:55] <Expelliarmas> well, she sort of did, cloudpic [13:55] <Pleshette> *yeah [13:55] <cloudpic> LOL I'd forgotten that! Yes, Aislinn [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was brilliant Aislinn, as was Hagrid using it on Draco [13:55] <bemused> I wonder how Moody hit on a ferret - do you think that would be the animal Draco transformed into himself, if he ever did? [13:55] <fawkes28> draco isn't used to people punishing him because of his father [13:55] <cloudpic> heh heh heh, good on Minerva [13:55] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> could be bemused [13:55] <Pleshette> good way to put Draco in his place [13:55] <Aislinn> right debbie! It was so nice that Hagrid could stand up to Draco for a change [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> or maybe that's how Jr sees the Malfoys [13:55] <cloudpic> Nope, he surely isn't... Snape doesn't seem to get after him for being a nasty kid [13:56] <Aislinn> Why would Dumbledore need to warn teachers not to use transfiguration as a punishment? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> Maybe it was a past practice? [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> Maybe it was used in the past, say when Moody was a student himself [13:56] <Aislinn> I'm not sure it is a regular warning [13:56] <bemused> The school obviously had stricter punishments in the past [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [13:56] <futureweasley> I think that setting an example for the students to transfigure other humans would be very wrong [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> I'm sure Filch would love it! [13:56] <Pleshette> Transfiguration could be dangerous if not done correctly also [13:56] <adamgryff> good point future [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Most natural teachers wouldn't really need to be warned about what's inappropriate in terms of discipline, but I think everyone knew that Moody would need a few things spelled out. [13:56] <Pleshette> It's supposed to be extremely difficult; if anything went wrong [13:57] <Aislinn> yes, mr m, exactly [13:57] <harryfreak359> I agree Future, but I don't think that most teachers would have to be warned about it [13:57] <fawkes28> it could be similar to our world when students used to get hit with rulers - it just isn't acceptable anymore like the transfiguration [13:57] <Pleshette> True fawkes [13:57] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it has been said that human transfiguration is very complex and difficult [13:57] <DumbleDebbie> Jr, as nasty as he is, was a talented little git [13:57] <Aislinn> OK, moving on to chapter 14: . Why would Snape have gained new levels of vindictiveness over the summer? Why would he take it out on Neville (who melts his 6th cauldron in potions)? What did you think of Neville having to disembowel a barrel full of horned toads [13:57] <Expelliarmas> MrM, we learn later Moody was against using the UCs even when it was allowed; so I don't think it would have been necessary [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> that was so vile [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> Snape was pretty p.o.ed about the whole Sirius Black escape at the end of PoA. [13:58] <bemused> It's only a few weeks since Snape lost the Order of MErlin - he probably hasn't got over it [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Snape being his usual nasty self [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> especially considering his pet is a toad [13:58] <harryfreak359> Poor Neville [13:58] <fawkes28> snape was disappointed he didnt get the job he wanted, especially because it was a former auror [13:58] <Expelliarmas> He might also have learned Moody was coming to Hogwarts over the summer [13:58] <bemused> Then he has the returning Dark Mark to worry about, too... [13:58] <harryfreak359> Agreed Fawkes [13:58] <DumbleDebbie> bully picking on the weakest target [13:58] <Pleshette> Neville is an easy target [13:58] <adamgryff> Neville is the one that he can bully the most [13:59] <adamgryff> the never ending cycle of bullying [13:59] <Expelliarmas> Neville is the one kid who shows his fear of Snape; it comes out in his nervousness [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Haha, Sooner isn't here. Snape is just being evil. [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> I was wondering if Neville had gotten a batch of those thin-bottomed cauldrons that Percy was reporting on [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [13:59] <fawkes28> well, neville did melt a cauldron for the 6th time [13:59] <bemused> No he isn't... [13:59] <Expelliarmas> low blow, MRM [13:59] <Aislinn> yes, I think there were a lot of disappointments and pressures being put on him at that point in time, and being the weak man he is, he had to turn around and offload his feelings onto someone else [13:59] <fawkes28> mr. m! [13:59] <fawkes28> i will tell her too! [13:59] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.M...that's mean [13:59] <fawkes28> [13:59] <adamgryff> lol, debbie haven't thought about that [13:59] <futureweasley> Snape is becoming more and more unstable as time goes on...I think that he's cracking under the pressure of having to keep a face presented to others that really doesn't reflect his inner-intentions [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> I'm kidding, although he's not likable. He does enjoy the ample opportunities he has to bully poor Neville. [13:59] <fawkes28> yes, but 6 cauldrons is a lot [14:00] <Expelliarmas> Poor Neville melted that cauldron because of Snape's bullying [14:00] <fawkes28> as a teacher, i am sure i'd be frustrated [14:00] <Expelliarmas> as a teacher, you'd be kind to the kid, not nasty [14:00] <futureweasley> Neville is the easiest target...and Snape is becoming the kind of bully he himself hated at school [14:00] <Aislinn> yes, expie, Neville's performance in that class is directly impacted by Snape's treatment of him [14:00] <Expelliarmas> becoming or is? [14:00] <adamgryff> agree future [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it's a vicious circle, fawkes. Snape does everything possible to undermine Neville's self-confidence, and then punishes him for performing badly in the classroom. [14:00] <bemused> that often happens, future [14:00] <DumbleDebbie> as a teacher I hope you're nothing like Snape, oiy! [14:00] <Pleshette> right Expel--Why not give Neville extra help? Not give him a vile punishement. [14:00] <fawkes28> [14:00] <futureweasley> you're right Expie...he is [14:01] <futureweasley> becoming came and went [14:01] <fawkes28> snape doesn't have the patience to help neville [14:01] <Pleshette> What's neville supposed to learn from disembowling frogs? [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> Snape needs to relax. Someone give him a gift certificate to the wizarding spa. [14:01] <Aislinn> lol [14:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [14:01] <adamgryff> nothing Pleshette [14:01] <Expelliarmas> it's not about patience, fawkes, he despises Neville--although I've never understood why [14:01] <Aislinn> Why would Snape be so wary of showing his loathing of Moody directly to Moody? Why does he try to avoid Moody’s eye? [14:01] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.M [14:01] <bemused> Not to melt his cauldron again.... [14:01] <adamgryff> LOL Mr. M [14:01] <futureweasley> I don't know Pleshette...it's pseudo emotional terrorism, IMO [14:01] <fawkes28> snape is not being the bigger person as a teacher you have a greater responsibility to your students to not act like a kid, which snape does [14:02] <DumbleDebbie> probably doesn't want Moody reading his thoughts [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think the real Moody would ever quite have forgiven Snape for being a De. [14:02] <Aislinn> nothing pseudo about it, Future - just emotional terrorism [14:02] <bemused> We know Moody doesn't trust him. He knows his dark mark is returning [14:02] <harryfreak359> Well, because I think that he doesn't want to lose DD's trust...adn since Moody is an auror... [14:02] <adamgryff> becuase the real Moody knows that Snape was a DE [14:02] <DumbleDebbie> there's a lot of bad history between the 2 [14:02] <Expelliarmas> I wonder what else that magical eye sees? The Dark Mark getting darker on his arm? [14:02] <harryfreak359> yes there is Debbie [14:02] <Aislinn> Moody may have been the one who tried to bring Snape in as a DE the first time around, when DD came to his defense [14:02] <fawkes28> that's an interesting point expie [14:02] <Pleshette> That eye can see through quite a bit, definitely through clothing [14:02] <fawkes28> i think so, aislinn [14:03] <cloudpic> I think Snape's afraid that this unpredictable man is going to reveal Snape's DE history [14:03] <Pleshette> Can it see thoughts, i wonder? [14:03] <bemused> Yes - I think he'd worry about it being seen [14:03] <Expelliarmas> I wonder about that Pleshette [14:03] <DumbleDebbie> the eye? ooo, interesting [14:03] <fawkes28> i am sure BCJ was frustrated that snape didn't get sent to azkaban and has been living comfortably at hogwarts [14:03] <cloudpic> There hasn't been any indication with the kids of that, though, Pleshette... [14:03] <Aislinn> Or Moody has Legilimency skills, pleshette - they would come in handy for an Auror [14:03] <cloudpic> hmmm... yes [14:03] <fawkes28> but snape can block them [14:04] <DumbleDebbie> yes, that's what I thought Aislinn [14:04] <Pleshette> That's true cloudpic [14:04] <Expelliarmas> handy? might be a requirement [14:04] <bemused> But Snape can deal with that with his occulmency [14:04] <Aislinn> part of the way to block them though, is to avoid eye contact [14:04] <bemused> Ah - good point, Aislinn [14:04] <adamgryff> wizarding mind games at its best [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> Eh, who wouldn't be freaked out, getting surveyed with that magical eye? [14:04] <cloudpic> That's why it's his potential to blurt things out that Snape really fears... not any discovery of new "issues" but the past [14:04] <fawkes28> i think snape and moody would be a good match for each other and i don't think either one of them would be able to know what the other truly thinks This post has been edited by futureweasley: Dec 2 2006, 04:47 PM |
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[14:05] <Expelliarmas> I think Moody would have an advantage though
[14:05] <DumbleDebbie> Snape also might be wary of a good Legilimens catching him off his guard if he's focussed on something else [14:05] <Aislinn> yes cloudpic, he probably doesn't want Moody talking about his (supposedly former) DE status to the school at large [14:05] <Expelliarmas> or perhaps to the other teachers? [14:05] <Aislinn> right [14:05] <DumbleDebbie> sort of like blurting out another professors werewolf problem? [14:05] <DumbleDebbie> ahem [14:05] <bemused> Once Snape saw the mark returning he was bound to feel vulnerable about it no matter which side he was on - it's that whole past returning [14:05] <Aislinn> Moody tells the students to put away their books, they won’t need them. Why not? What did you think of his teaching methods here? [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, all Snape needs is another reason for people to dislike him. Hehe. [14:06] <Expelliarmas> would serve him right, how many parents [other than slytherins] would want their kids taught by a former DE? [14:06] <DumbleDebbie> good practical lesson [14:06] <fawkes28> i thought he was a good teacher [14:06] <fawkes28> it's a shame he is really a death eater [14:06] <MrMcGonagall> I've always thought DADA should have a strong practical element. [14:06] <futureweasley> he's very "hands-on"...I think he's been made aware that is how Harry learns best [14:06] <DumbleDebbie> and the polar opposite of Umbridges "wands away" [14:06] <bemused> A bit too practical if you were the spider... [14:06] <Expelliarmas> I've always preferred practical lessons [14:06] <Aislinn> me too Mr M [14:06] <adamgryff> I think they need more practical approach this year, you can only learn so much from books [14:06] <Expelliarmas> maybe if BCJr hadn't turned evil, he could have been an excellent teacher [14:06] <Pleshette> Kind of ironic...when you think of Umbridge using those same words in the next book [14:06] <Pleshette> Oops just saw your comment Debbie, sorry [14:07] <fawkes28> he knows what he is doing in the classroom [14:07] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pleshette [14:07] <fawkes28> he is similar in his teaching style to lupin [14:07] <futureweasley> he wants to show authority and make sure that noone questions his knowledge [14:07] <adamgryff> He is preparing them for war, but none of them no it yet [14:07] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [14:07] <futureweasley> hi ravendor [14:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi ravendor [14:07] <Aislinn> it is a shame that he decided to turn to the DE rather than do something productive with his life, as he does appear to be quite intelligent and effective at what he put his mind to [14:07] <harryfreak359> hi ravendor [14:07] <fawkes28> hi ravendor [14:07] <Pleshette> DADA really is a hands on kind of subject coupled with book knowledge [14:07] <bemused> And Snape, oddly enough, fawkes [14:07] <Ravendor> hey, everybody [14:07] <Aislinn> hi Ravendor [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, duture. [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> *future. [14:08] <cloudpic> Love his teaching! [14:08] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, i agree [14:08] <fawkes28> he could have made a lot of of his life [14:08] <DumbleDebbie> part of it took, may have been to convince *us* that he's a good teacher [14:08] <harryfreak359> I agree Bemused [14:08] <DumbleDebbie> *too [14:08] <cloudpic> Someone posted that it was a shame Barty hadn't become a teacher... [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> And Moody doesn't neglect the book side of it, either. [14:08] <futureweasley> I was very sad when Moody turned out to be a bad guy...I rather liked him at this point in the book [14:08] <fawkes28> which just goes to show again how our choices are so important [14:08] <cloudpic> instead of his wayward choice [14:08] <futureweasley> I agree cloudpic [14:08] <fawkes28> i agree, future [14:08] <DumbleDebbie> right FW, I think we're supposed to like him [14:08] <futureweasley> I think he would have been great...minus the psychosis [14:08] <Aislinn> Why would Moody only agree to teach for one year? Did Dumbledore anticipate the effect of the jinx on the job and figure there’d be no point to a long-term contract? [14:08] <cloudpic> Wish I could credit the poster... sorry [14:08] <DumbleDebbie> lol, yeah that one little problem [14:09] <fawkes28> i think dumbledore knew about the jinx [14:09] <harryfreak359> No idea... [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. [14:09] <cloudpic> He's a tired old man... I can identify! (well, not the old man bit...) [14:09] <fawkes28> and wanted someone to protect harry because he knew voldemort was gaining strength [14:09] <harryfreak359> but I think DD might have knew about it [14:09] <Expelliarmas> what kind of friend is DD, he knows the job is jinxed and he gets Moody to do the job? [14:09] <adamgryff> I think dd didn't expect Moody to stay put for longer than a year [14:09] <Aislinn> I think the real Moody was hired specifically to watch out for danger during the Triwizard Tournament [14:09] <DumbleDebbie> He was already retired too. So the one year seemed like a favor to DD [14:09] <Pleshette> I think DD hired him to keep an eye on Karkaroff [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Being pulled out of retirement is rather exceptional. [14:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [14:09] <bemused> Yes - I think so Aislinn. After all, Dumbledore knew about the jinx; maybe the short contract was to protect Moody [14:09] <fawkes28> having a former auror at the school is great for harry [14:09] <cloudpic> Possibly.... Karkaroff was coming and he had "history" too [14:10] <Pleshette> and like you said Ais for any other additional danger [14:10] <DumbleDebbie> oo, that could be Pleshette [14:10] <futureweasley> he listened to Trelawney's "real" prediction and knew what was in store...he was trying to arm his students the best he could before it came to fruition [14:10] <Aislinn> unfortunately - that didn't work out, did it, bemused? [14:10] <Expelliarmas> The jinx always comes into play though; something was bound to happen to the person teaching that class [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> Most of it I think is DD just scraping the bottom of the barrel for a DADA teacher. [14:10] <bemused> No - but it was a nice try!! [14:10] <cloudpic> And who better than an Auror who is a bit wild to teach the kids things the Ministry wouldn't approve [14:10] <DumbleDebbie> but the only DADA teacher to die from the jinx so far was Quirrell [14:10] <Pleshette> If DD is reading the signs, along with Trelawney's prediction, and ex-Auror would be good to hav around [14:10] <cloudpic> Yeah, that jinx is worse than teacher burnout! [14:11] <Aislinn> I think it was very deliberate, and not just scraping for a teacher, Mr M [14:11] <bemused> The wierd thing about Moody/Crouch is that we think and talk about it as Moody and he wasn't [14:11] <DumbleDebbie> maybe DD figured Moody could hadle whatever else might hit him [14:11] <adamgryff> very true Pleshette [14:11] <cloudpic> I agree, Pleshette... that's the reason Moody (real one) was asked to come [14:11] <Pleshette> to keep an "extra eye" on Harry too (forgive the pun) [14:11] <Expelliarmas> lucky the real Moody never made it to the class; BCJr lost his soul [14:11] <cloudpic> And he "knows" as the twins said, which gives credibility to his teaching... the kids are eager to learn from him and Dumbledore knows it [14:11] <DumbleDebbie> it is hard sometimes, bemused, for me to keep them separated because we got to know "Moody" who wasn't really Mooody [14:12] <Aislinn> Why did Dumbledore want the third-years taught about the Unforgivable Curses? [14:12] <Pleshette> right cloudpic, the kids perceive him as "cool" and mysterious [14:12] <cloudpic> I'm glad the kids learned so much [14:12] <bemused> Yes, that's what I mean, Debbie - he wouldn't have felt like Moody inside any more than Harry and Ron felt like Crabbe and Goyle [14:12] <cloudpic> No matter the source [14:12] <fawkes28> i think it was mainly for harry's benefit [14:12] <DumbleDebbie> I'm wondering if he did [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> I'm still not so sure he did. [14:12] <fawkes28> he wanted him to know the truth so that harry could start accepting it [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> Especially not in the way Moody presented it to them. [14:13] <cloudpic> Because he knew they needed more than books, pictures and talk... they're teens... hormones kicking in... [14:13] <DumbleDebbie> or if Jr. said that and attributed it to DD knowing the kids wouldn't dare question him [14:13] <fawkes28> i think that DD did want it taught [14:13] <adamgryff> I'm not sure DD agreed to the way they were presented in the classroom [14:13] <fawkes28> DD doesn't always follow the rules [14:13] <cloudpic> Hard to get their attention and these are vital lessons [14:13] <Ravendor> I was never sure if DD really did or if that was just "Moody" [14:13] <bemused> It might have been because there were so many strangers int he school - and the Durmstangs, who learn Dark Arts [14:13] <Aislinn> I think he was reading the signs, as Sirius said, and was trying to do everything he could to prepare Harry specifically [14:13] <Pleshette> I agree adamgryff [14:13] <Expelliarmas> Because he knows they are in "combat" training, even if they do not [14:13] <DumbleDebbie> if he did want it taught I don't know if he would have approved of *how* Jr. did it [14:13] <Ravendor> agreed, Debbie [14:13] <cloudpic> I think Dumbledore is a realist, adamgryff... you have to see to believe completely [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder whether in fact it wasn't Moody who suggested it to DD. [14:14] <cloudpic> It's so hard for teens to believe they're in mortal danger (witness driving, drug experimentation, etc.) [14:14] <DumbleDebbie> it is something they now do need to be aware of and combat if they're hit with something like Imperious [14:14] <adamgryff> It is shocking just to read, much less be in the classroom watching it [14:14] <fawkes28> it was another way that DD taught harry on the sidelines by hiring moody [14:14] <cloudpic> I think it was Dumbledore. Really. [14:14] <Expelliarmas> you have to fight like you train, train like you fight--DD understands that [14:14] <cloudpic> But shock is necessary. [14:14] <Aislinn> yes, I agree [14:14] <cloudpic> Agreed, Expell. [14:14] <fawkes28> yes, cloudpic, it is [14:15] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, most of the wizarding world at this point, wasn't shocked enough [14:15] <Pleshette> DD leaves the methods of teaching to the teachers [14:15] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:15] <bemused> Yes -I think I'd agree, cloudpic [14:15] <DumbleDebbie> hi jane [14:15] <cloudpic> Hi, Jane! [14:15] <adamgryff> hi jane [14:15] <Aislinn> What did you think of the Imperio Curse? What makes it so bad? [14:15] <futureweasley> hello Jane [14:15] <Ravendor> hey, Jane [14:15] * JaneMarple9 waves at everyone [14:15] <Pleshette> He may not have known *how* Moody was going to present the Unforgivables [14:15] <fawkes28> hi jane [14:15] <Pleshette> Hi Jane! [14:15] <MrMcGonagall> It takes away a person's free will. [14:15] <fawkes28> this is a scary curse [14:15] <MrMcGonagall> It's a form of mental enslavement. [14:15] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M [14:15] <JaneMarple9> ok...question? [14:15] <adamgryff> it controls you and everything that makes you who you are. You are a slave to it. [14:16] <cloudpic> Presenting them with just talk would not have worked with early teens... it's just more adult hoo-hum [14:16] <Ravendor> I thought it was horrible. Like MrM said, it takes away free will [14:16] <bemused> and we're told that people were made to do terrible things by it [14:16] <DumbleDebbie> what a horrible thing to be aware of what you're doing and have absolutely no control over it [14:16] <JaneMarple9> I mean what is it [14:16] <fawkes28> because you don't always know what is going to happen with it - the other two curses you know exactly what will happen - this is the unknown [14:16] <futureweasley> Personally, it's my favorite of the Unforgivable Curses...but I think it's because I would no longer have to use my infinite powers of manipulation if I had the Imperius at my disposal [14:16] <futureweasley> teheh [14:16] <DumbleDebbie> lol [14:16] <DumbleDebbie> look out for FW folks! [14:16] <cloudpic> Inside Harry's head we saw how it lulled you into complacency... sort of a drug... then controlled your actions [14:16] <Pleshette> LOL future [14:16] <harryfreak359> lol Future...I kind of agree with you..but controling people is pretty bad [14:17] <cloudpic> Yikes, future! [14:17] <DumbleDebbie> you'll have to rest on your winning personality FW [14:17] <JaneMarple9> the unforgivable curse is very frightening [14:17] <futureweasley> controlling them to do something bad is bad...what if you needed to use it to make someone do something for their own good? [14:17] <fawkes28> this curse scares me the most for the 7th book [14:17] <futureweasley> me too fawkes [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> The Imperius scares me the most - I'd rather get AK'd or Crucioed. [14:17] <adamgryff> It clouns your mind so you can feel anything else. The you have to try and find yourself inside the cloud [14:17] <cloudpic> What bothered me wasn't the silly jumping around stuff... it was that "drugged" feeling that all your worries were gone [14:17] <Aislinn> II think that Jo writes a story in which free will is viewed as a very important and valued thing, future [14:17] <adamgryff> *clouds [14:17] <cloudpic> We need to feel our concerns [14:18] <fawkes28> it played a big role in the last war and we haven't seen it too much this time around [14:18] <Ravendor> I agree, Aislinn [14:18] <JaneMarple9> all the unforgivable curses are evil [14:18] <cloudpic> Wow, Mr. McG.! [14:18] <Ravendor> yes, they are, Jane [14:18] <Aislinn> controlling someone, even if it is to "do good" would be an example of the ends not justifying the means of removing someone's free will [14:18] <JaneMarple9> I think the A.K. curse is the worse [14:18] *** XHarry-Potter-LoverX has joined #lounge [14:18] <futureweasley> you're right Aislinn...I hadn't thought of that...it's all about choices [14:18] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> hiya [14:18] <futureweasley> hi XHarry-Potter-LoverX [14:18] <Aislinn> exactly [14:18] <DumbleDebbie> if you make someone do something for their own good, but they don't want to, you either have to keep it up infinitely or they'll just go back to the bad behavoir as soon asn they can, maybe even moreso because they resent being fforced [14:18] <cloudpic> Hi, HarryPLover [14:19] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> im new [14:19] <adamgryff> Oh, al the ones I think Imperious is the worst, you loose yourself in the process [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> Basically, I'd rather be on the receiving end of a curse than be used to harm others. [14:19] <fawkes28> taking away someone's free will is a horrible act [14:19] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> jst registered [14:19] <Aislinn> and part of doing something that is right is Choosing to do the right thing [14:19] <futureweasley> me too MrMcG [14:19] <fawkes28> welcome! [14:19] <Pleshette> Hi HPL! [14:19] <Ravendor> hey, XHarry-Potter-LoverX [14:19] <cloudpic> Witness Barty Sr.'s attempt to keep his son in tcontroll, DumbleDebbie [14:19] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [14:19] <futureweasley> I wouldn't want to be a vehicle for anyone to do harm [14:19] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M, good point. like what if you're forced to AK someone while under Imperio? [14:19] <fawkes28> which is hard to do sometimes, aislinn [14:19] <Aislinn> absolutely fawkes [14:19] <DumbleDebbie> and you'd be watching, trapped in your own body, how awful [14:19] <Pleshette> I wonder if that's possible Debbie? [14:20] <Aislinn> Why would Arthur be so familiar with the Imperius Curse? [14:20] <adamgryff> hixharry-potter-loverx [14:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes cp [14:20] <cloudpic> Can the Imperious cruse be that strong, to make you Kill?? [14:20] <futureweasley> he had to deal with it at the end of the first war...first hand [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> Now that's an interesting question. [14:20] <bemused> Isn't there something in HBP about a child being imperio-ed to kill his parents, or grandparents? [14:20] <JaneMarple9> he might had seen it done to other people in the "old" order [14:20] <cloudpic> Oh, such a good question... some have said they think he was Imperioused [14:20] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> hiya [14:20] <Pleshette> Can the Imperius give someone that pure hatred behind the AK? [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think there were a lot of attempts to imperius Ministry members. [14:20] <JaneMarple9> and wasn't Molly's brothers killed in a horrible way? [14:20] <harryfreak359> Because he was in the ministry...that's all I thought... [14:20] <cloudpic> Were Molly's brothers killed that way? [14:20] <JaneMarple9> the Prewitts? [14:21] <fawkes28> i just think he knows a lot of people who have suffered because of it [14:21] <JaneMarple9> echo [14:21] <cloudpic> Yes [14:21] <DumbleDebbie> He'd been through one war. I'd think that everyone, especially Ministry folks would need to know a lot about it [14:21] <cloudpic> LOL [14:21] <futureweasley> I'm sure...and I'm willing to bet that Arthur was viewed as an "easy target" by DE's [14:21] <DumbleDebbie> good question Pleshette [14:21] <adamgryff> I think the curse ended up put on a lot of people in the first war, he learned to be careful with it [14:21] <cloudpic> Still, with Ron's susceptiblilty.... [14:21] <Aislinn> I think that a lot of people who work at the Ministry had to deal with trying to pick out who had been controlled by the Imperius curse - they didn't do a very good job of it though, given how many of the DE's escaped Azkaban [14:21] <fawkes28> i don't think that he was ever put under it [14:21] <adamgryff> yes, aislinn [14:21] <DumbleDebbie> maybe not, if it's not in the person. but other things could be done that could be just as deadly [14:21] <futureweasley> likely, Lucius had him under one...hence the "coming to blows" and underlying animosity in CoS at Flourish & Blotts [14:21] <cloudpic> And Arthur's concern in Book 6... mollywobbles... [14:21] <Pleshette> Maybe a lot of Muggles were imperiused which would be Arthur's specialty [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> If you're trying to topple the government, it makes sense to try and control its members. They even tried it on the Muggle government in HBP. [14:22] <adamgryff> I'm sure they were Pleshette [14:22] <cloudpic> I still think either Arthur experienced it... or it struck the family somehow [14:22] <futureweasley> the "password" to even get into the house...that's suspicious to me too Pleshette [14:22] <Aislinn> yes, I think that's true [14:22] <JaneMarple9> :) mollywobbles that's my favourite Potter word! [14:22] <fawkes28> i just think he remembers how hard the times were and how horrible it was to try to figure out who was really telling the truth and who wasn't [14:22] <DumbleDebbie> ooo FW, interesting. I've wondered about the bad blood between Arthur and Lucius as it seems very personal [14:22] <cloudpic> Mine too, Jane [14:22] <fawkes28> good point, pleshette [14:22] <Pleshette> You could be right about that cloudpic [14:22] <Aislinn> What did you think of Neville volunteering the Cruciatus Curse? [14:23] <bemused> Brave of him [14:23] <fawkes28> he is a true gryffindor [14:23] <cloudpic> He knew. And he's a brave kid. [14:23] <DumbleDebbie> tough kid [14:23] <adamgryff> I think it was a point of bravery in him [14:23] <JaneMarple9> he felt Moody's power [14:23] <Expelliarmas> he'd know about that one [14:23] <cloudpic> Yep [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he would know that one, wouldn't he? Poor Neville. [14:23] <Ravendor> it was brave. showed his inner strength [14:23] <futureweasley> it's the only time he felt he "knew more" than everyone else on the subject, and wanted to offer up his "expertise". He's amazingly strong [14:23] <cloudpic> I was so proud of Neville in that scene. [14:23] <Aislinn> I think that he had a morbid fascination with the curse that drove his family insane [14:23] <Expelliarmas> he also had to feel more comfortable in that DEs class than in Snape's class [14:23] <adamgryff> he knew and maybe wanted to see what it was like for his parents [14:23] <JaneMarple9> There's no truer Gryffindor than Neville...he's even stronger than Harry I think [14:23] <Pleshette> This was a huge turning point for neville I think [14:23] <cloudpic> Gives us some insight on Neville's potential [14:24] <fawkes28> and i am glad that "moody" was kind to him after class [14:24] <futureweasley> me too Pleshette...he is really coming into his own from here on out [14:24] <adamgryff> so was I fawkes [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> was he? [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> I bet many of the students have never even heard of the UCs. [14:24] <cloudpic> You're right, I think, Pleshette... it would make a difference to him [14:24] <JaneMarple9> it does...we find out so much about Neville in book 4 [14:24] <Aislinn> yes, adam - that's what I think, and then ended up being truly horrified, as anyone would, when he actually saw what was done to them [14:24] <bemused> The thing I find chilling about it is that he'd really talking to one of the people who attacked his paretns, though he doesn't know it [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> I get the feeling Jr. used the 'tea' to torture Neville more [14:24] <Pleshette> i was too fawkes until finding out his true intentions at the end [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, bemused. That freaked me out. [14:24] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, that is truly chilling [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> what he really wanted was to give him the herbology book to help Harry [14:24] <fawkes28> yes [14:24] <futureweasley> that is crazy, isn't it bemused? [14:24] <cloudpic> Yes, Jane, we surely do... Book 4 is a central book for so many changes [14:24] <JaneMarple9> "Moody" was buttering Neville up to get him on his side, so he could get to Harry [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> and Neville didn't sleep that night [14:25] <Pleshette> Right Jane [14:25] <Aislinn> What did you think of Moody’s demonstration of the Cruciatus Curse? What did you think of that curse? [14:25] * cloudpic tear [14:25] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he did, Debbie, I think he gave Neville the book and told him what Sprout had said about him [14:25] <futureweasley> I think that would have come with or without Moody's tea, Debbie [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> One can understand why it's unforgivable. [14:25] <harryfreak359> IT was very sad, and it's a horrible curse... [14:25] * JaneMarple9 cuddles Cloudpic...Neville will survive [14:25] <fawkes28> it's one of those moments where you realize "these aren't just children's books" [14:25] <adamgryff> Moody showed to much pleasure in performing that curse [14:25] <Aislinn> I was shocked by how long he applied it to the spider, as I still thought he was a "good" character at that point [14:25] <cloudpic> (hope so, Jane!!) [14:25] <Expelliarmas> it was interesting to see fake moody's joy in the pain [14:25] <bemused> that one was Crouch and not Moody [14:25] <DumbleDebbie> It's effect on Neville was the worst part of it [14:26] * harryfreak359 gives cloudpic a tissue and a bug [14:26] <futureweasley> it's the only one that induces real pain...and it's appaling that it was even invented [14:26] <harryfreak359> hug* [14:26] <Expelliarmas> says a lot about the DEs, doesn't it [14:26] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [14:26] <Pleshette> It took Hermione's shriek to stop him [14:26] <cloudpic> At least he chose a lower order creature... still awful, though. [14:26] <DumbleDebbie> hi stinky [14:26] <harryfreak359> It's Futue [14:26] <adamgryff> I hated the effect on Neville, because at this point I had no idea what was really bothering Neville [14:26] <stinkywinky> hello [14:26] <Expelliarmas> BCJr likes pain, Snape enjoys bullying [14:26] <fawkes28> it is a horrible curse [14:26] <cloudpic> Bet a Black Family member invented it! [14:26] <DumbleDebbie> yay for Hermione for recognizing how it was affecting Neville [14:26] <harryfreak359> lol [14:26] <cloudpic> Hi, stinkywinky! [14:26] <Pleshette> she hated seeing the effect that the CC had on Neville [14:26] <adamgryff> hi stinkwinky [14:26] <Expelliarmas> likely, Mrs. Black--miserable old bat [14:26] <fawkes28> yes, it did make me wonder why neville was so upset before we found out what happened to his parents [14:27] <Aislinn> yes, I thought that was very perceptive and thoughtful of her debbie [14:27] <DumbleDebbie> I love her show of empathy there (Hermione's) [14:27] <Ravendor> hey, stinkywinky [14:27] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, DumbleDebbie... Hermione's empathy was wonderful [14:27] <futureweasley> it seemed to have the same sort of effect on Neville that Dementors had on Harry...the bringing back of painful memories and making them real [14:27] <DumbleDebbie> and much in contrast to Ron's indifference to Harry seeing the AK [14:27] <Aislinn> yes future [14:27] <Pleshette> nice analogy fw [14:27] <Ravendor> good point, future [14:27] <Expelliarmas> but Hermione always stands up for "lost" causes, that's her thing [14:27] <fawkes28> very true, future [14:27] <bemused> good point, future [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> It's interesting to contrast Harry and Neville's reactions to the curses with the other students'. [14:27] <adamgryff> seeing the past and progessing to the future can be terrifying [14:27] <cloudpic> Yeah... but he didn't break down or anything... just got sort of distant and detached [14:27] <Aislinn> I don't think that is a lost cause, expie, just empathy [14:27] <JaneMarple9> right Expel [14:27] <fawkes28> i don't think neville is a lost cause [14:27] <cloudpic> Turned inward [14:28] <futureweasley> you can't change time...and there is no bigger demon than that [14:28] <Aislinn> Why did Moody have to roar the Avada Kedavra? [14:28] <Expelliarmas> okay, slightly helpless causes [14:28] <cloudpic> Nor do I, fawkes [14:28] <JaneMarple9> Neville's not a lost cause! [14:28] <futureweasley> he said you have to "mean it" [14:28] <DumbleDebbie> dramatic effect [14:28] <harryfreak359> Maybe because it took that much power [14:28] <JaneMarple9> He's grown stronger [14:28] <JaneMarple9> To show off! [14:28] <bemused> To make it impressive! [14:28] <cloudpic> Well, he said you have to "mean" it, and it's a display... these kids have to learn the fear! [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, hf.\ [14:28] <Expelliarmas> I don't think LV would have to 'roar' the curse [14:28] <Pleshette> I think casting the Ak requires intensity and a powerful forceful roar [14:28] <cloudpic> I agree, bemused [14:29] <adamgryff> becuase you have to mean it to complete it correctly, it requires hate [14:29] <fawkes28> and plus he was out of practice [14:29] <Expelliarmas> nor would Snape [14:29] <Aislinn> but did Wormtail roar it when he killed Cedric? [14:29] <bemused> Perhaps again this is a bit of Crocuh coming through and he actually relishes using it [14:29] <JaneMarple9> He wanted to frighten the students too [14:29] <futureweasley> he said that everyone in that room could point their wand at him and say "Avada Kedavra" and he doubted that he'd get so much as a nose bleed...feeling behind the AK is essential [14:29] <Ravendor> no, I don't think so, Aislinn [14:29] <Expelliarmas> I dont remember, Aislinn [14:29] <cloudpic> oooooo. that's a crreepy thought.. saying AK quietly *shudders* [14:29] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused great point [14:29] <Pleshette> But *can* it be said quietly? [14:30] <Aislinn> I think you're right about that bemused [14:30] <Expelliarmas> I wonder if it has to be "said" at all [14:30] <DumbleDebbie> I think Voldy could do it nonverbally, he's so completely absorbed with hate [14:30] <cloudpic> Depends on your feeling behind it... hot blooded murder vs. cold blooded murder perhaps [14:30] <fawkes28> maybe voldemort can do it quietly [14:30] <Aislinn> Why is there no counter curse for the Avada Kedavra? [14:30] <JaneMarple9> Maybe just "Thought"? [14:30] <harryfreak359> Probably, Pleshette, if the person has enough strenght [14:30] <fawkes28> jo wants to show us that death is real just as it is in the muggle world [14:30] <JaneMarple9> nobody's survived it to think one up [14:30] <harryfreak359> I agreed Fawkes [14:30] <Expelliarmas> it's amazing theyve never come up with any shield [14:31] <fawkes28> sometimes we think because they are magic - wizards can't die [14:31] <cloudpic> That's the way it was invented? Or maybe you have to experience something to learn to throw it off... and your' dead so... [14:31] <futureweasley> the counter would be to kill the caster...and self defenders likely shouldn't become the "murderer" [14:31] <Ravendor> good point, Jane [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> well, there is 1 protection, but it requires another death [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> How do you block something so powerful? [14:31] <futureweasley> get out of the way, MrMcG!! [14:31] <fawkes28> but they can and they are not going to pull a "gandoff" [14:31] <Expelliarmas> if you're engaged in self-defense, it's not murder [14:31] <JaneMarple9> Hide under a Invisability cloak? [14:31] <cloudpic> Yeah, Jane... they seem to learn to master things through experience [14:31] <adamgryff> how can you block something that is so full of hate and meanace [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> True, an AK can miss! [14:31] <harryfreak359> It'd be hard to come up with something powerful enough to block that spell [14:31] <DumbleDebbie> I think it woudl work thru a cloak [14:31] <futureweasley> no, Jane, I think it would rip right through an invisibility cloak [14:31] <fawkes28> or get fawkes to eat it [14:31] <cloudpic> Love. [14:32] <bemused> You can block it physically - look at DD and the statues [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> Death is only the second-most powerful force. Love is first. [14:32] <Expelliarmas> fawkes [the phoenix] swallowed an AK [14:32] <DumbleDebbie> true Mr M [14:32] <Aislinn> yes Mr M [14:32] <cloudpic> Was it blocked there... or just breaking things up... like the house in Godric's Hollow? [14:32] <fawkes28> lol [14:32] <Ravendor> I had forgotten about that, Expie [14:32] <Aislinn> What did you make of Hermione’s S.P.E.W. campaign? Did you applaud it or did you want to strangle her? [14:32] <cloudpic> The energy is expended on whatever it hits. [14:32] <bemused> both!! [14:32] <cloudpic> Applause!! [14:32] <futureweasley> I think she could take a different tact [14:33] <adamgryff> just another Hermione thing! [14:33] <Pleshette> Yeah me too bemused, lol [14:33] <harryfreak359> Well, I like her intentions, but she was kind silly in taking in that way... [14:33] <DumbleDebbie> her heart's in the right place, but really she's offending the beings she thinks she's helping [14:33] <harryfreak359> Agreed Future [14:33] <Ravendor> I liked it! I thought it was good she cared so much, but I did get annoyed at times. She didn't always come at it from the right angle, I thought. [14:33] <cloudpic> Conscousness Raised against another injustice in the Wizarding World! [14:33] <Expelliarmas> I wanted to strangle her after awhile; wonderful persistance, but sheesh [14:33] <Pleshette> Couldn't she have picked a better name? [14:33] <JaneMarple9> did it? don't remember Fawkes swallowing a A.K (the fictional Fawkes I mean) [14:33] <fawkes28> it shows her strength and her determination, which is important for us to see [14:33] <cloudpic> She'll learn to refine her future attempts at correcting social injustice... this is a good start [14:33] <DumbleDebbie> she did get very annoying with trying to force it on *everyone*, wizard and elf alike [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> Who would have thought Hermione would turn into a hippie? [14:33] <Aislinn> I think she is bright enough to come up with a better acronym than SPEW [14:33] <fawkes28> yes, jane, in the MoM [14:34] <cloudpic> Oh, I'd have missed all the jokes [14:34] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [14:34] <Expelliarmas> She's too neat to be a hippie [14:34] <Pleshette> She was almost asking for H and R to not take her seriously with SPEW [14:34] <Aislinn> exactly pleshette [14:34] <Aislinn> it's not the way to promote your cause [14:34] <harryfreak359> Yes, pleshette [14:34] <fawkes28> i didn't like the name either [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think this is some of Hermione's Muggleness coming out. [14:34] <JaneMarple9> ah ty [14:34] <Aislinn> Ron says the house-elves like being enslaved. If you are enslaved, can you ever really enjoy it? [14:34] <Expelliarmas> it also shows she needs better social and leadership skills [14:34] <Pleshette> But her ideas and her empathy for the elves were wonderful [14:34] <bemused> I think SPEW is good because it shows how intense she is - she takes it so seriously that she doesn't even see the funny side [14:34] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:35] <Ravendor> I think you get used to it and feel confortable in it, more than enjoy it [14:35] <DumbleDebbie> everyone is a slave to something [14:35] <fawkes28> i wouldnt like it but i don't think they know anything different [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think the elves really look at it as enslavement. Dobby is the only unhappy elf we've ever seen. [14:35] <Ravendor> *comfortable [14:35] <harryfreak359> well, they believe that's what they are for, so they probably do enjoy it..it's the only thing they know [14:35] <fawkes28> that is an interesting thought debbie [14:35] <bemused> I s'pose we're not house-elves, Aislinn - they really did seem happy [14:35] <cloudpic> Sorry, must go early... great chat! You guys are amazing! [14:35] <Pleshette> good point harryfreak [14:35] <DumbleDebbie> bye cp! [14:35] <Pleshette> Bye cloudpic! [14:35] <adamgryff> bye cloudpic [14:35] <Ravendor> bye, cloudpic [14:35] <harryfreak359> By Cloudpic! [14:35] <cloudpic> Bye [14:35] <Aislinn> bye cloudpic! [14:35] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:35] <bemused> bye cloudpic [14:35] <fawkes28> bye cp [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Kreacher isn't too happy working for Sirius or Harry, either. [14:36] <bemused> that's true, Mr McG [14:36] <fawkes28> but i am sure he was happy with mrs. black [14:36] <Ravendor> you're right, MrM [14:36] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:36] <adamgryff> wb jane [14:36] <Aislinn> enslavement is a whole topic in itself, so I'm going to move on, or we won't get to the third chapter [14:36] <harryfreak359> How can you hate your enslavement, if its the only thing you know...it's not possible if you've never seen a better life [14:36] <DumbleDebbie> wb jane [14:36] <Aislinn> Why did Sirius think it necessary to come back? Why didn’t Sirius anticipate Harry’s reaction, why did he tell Harry of his return? [14:36] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:36] <harryfreak359> lol Aislinn, trie [14:36] <harryfreak359> true* [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think he wants Harry to know he's there for him. [14:36] <Expelliarmas> Sirius can be way too impulsive [14:37] <Ravendor> I agree, MrM [14:37] <DumbleDebbie> he hasn't had a lot of practice in interpersonal communication the last dozen or so years [14:37] <adamgryff> agree Mr. McG [14:37] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:37] <futureweasley> Sirius needed to feel needed [14:37] <fawkes28> very true, expie [14:37] <Pleshette> He's worried that something isn't quite righ [14:37] <bemused> He cares for Harry - I think we see Sirius at his best in GoF [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> There's nothing more important in Sirius' life than Harry's well-being. [14:37] <harryfreak359> I think that he wants Harry to realize that there are people there for him, and I think that sirius was worried about him [14:37] <Expelliarmas> What was he oging to do? Show up at Hogwarts if Harry got into trouble? How would that be helpful? [14:37] <fawkes28> sirius was trying to live up to his role as godfather - he wants to protect harry [14:37] <Aislinn> I think that he take his responsibility for Harry very seriously, and wanted to help in whatever way he could [14:37] <futureweasley> he wanted to return to where he could have the possibility of being "useful" [14:37] <futureweasley> I think so too Aislinn [14:37] <fawkes28> harry and sirius are both stubborn - an interesting combination [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Sirius isn't happy being away from the thick of things. [14:38] <Aislinn> he's a wizard, expie - he wouldn't have cared if it meant his capture, if he could help Harry first [14:38] <adamgryff> Sirius is now holding onto his responsibilites of being Harry's godfather and does not want to let Harry down and if death or capture are a part of it so be it [14:38] <futureweasley> those hard-headed boys!! Good grief [14:38] <Expelliarmas> There were other ways to help without risking exposure; getting caught wouldnt help Harry [14:38] <fawkes28> he doesn't feel like he will ever make up for what happened to lily and james [14:38] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> And sirius does have that reckless streak. [14:38] <futureweasley> yes Adam...I agree [14:38] <fawkes28> i am sure he lived with the guilt everyday [14:38] <harryfreak359> lol Future [14:38] <futureweasley> yes, MrMcG...that is true as well [14:38] <bemused> Sirius was obviously in close touch with DD too [14:38] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:38] <Aislinn> he sees himself as a soldier - risking his life means little to him [14:38] <harryfreak359> ack! Lag! brb [14:38] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:38] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:38] <JaneMarple9> test [14:39] <MrMcGonagall> Black, Sirius Black. 007. [14:39] <JaneMarple9> ah there I am! [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> hi jane [14:39] <fawkes28> unfortunately, that risk got him in the end [14:39] <adamgryff> i see you jane [14:39] <Ravendor> wb, Jane [14:39] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [14:39] <futureweasley> *insert Bond music here* [14:39] <adamgryff> lol [14:39] <harryfreak359> lol [14:39] <Aislinn> What did you think of Harry lying to Sirius? [14:39] <Pleshette> Sirius isn't content to just sit back. He wants to be involved [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> wb HF [14:39] <Expelliarmas> Shame DD couldnt think of some other way for Sirius to be helpful [14:39] <MrMcGonagall> Mutual stubbornness. [14:39] <JaneMarple9> Hi there HarryFreak [14:39] <harryfreak359> Well, since we was trying to keep him safe...just like Harry [14:39] <bemused> I think it's what most kids would have done [14:39] <harryfreak359> Hi! [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> Harry was trying to protect Sirius as much as Sirius was trying to protect him [14:39] <fawkes28> harry wants to protect him too [14:39] <futureweasley> Sirius knows all Harry's tricks, as he was once that kid who was lying to avoid authority [14:39] <adamgryff> Harry is trying to protect Sirius, they are both playing the protection game [14:39] <JaneMarple9> He was trying to protect Sirius [14:40] <Expelliarmas> He really cares for Sirius and would hate Sirius being caught [14:40] <Ravendor> definitely, Expie [14:40] <Pleshette> He doesn't want Sirius risking getting caught for his sake [14:40] <JaneMarple9> because he knew Sirius would be in danger if Sirius came back [14:40] <Aislinn> I think that, just as Sirius is trying to protect Harry, Harry is equally trying to protect Sirius [14:40] <fawkes28> harry cares about sirius more than he cares about himself and the reverse is true as well, which makes sirius' death that much harder [14:40] <JaneMarple9> exactly Phelsette [14:40] <futureweasley> there is definitely mutually feeling of responsibility for each other, Aislinn [14:40] <Expelliarmas> what harry really needed was advice; Sirius couldve found some way to communicate with Harry [14:40] <Aislinn> Do you believe Dumbledore wanted Moody to place each kid under the Imperius Curse to train them how to cast it off? Or was this a Moody idea? Why or why not? [14:40] <JaneMarple9> Sirius is the Dad harry never knew [14:41] <Ravendor> I'm really not sure on this one. [14:41] <JaneMarple9> I think it was "Moody's" idea [14:41] <fawkes28> i think "moody" was testing them [14:41] <bemused> I must go now - bye everyone - it's been really good tonight! [14:41] <Ravendor> bye, bemused [14:41] <MrMcGonagall> I really don't think DD would have permitted 4th year students to be put under an imperius. [14:41] <adamgryff> I think this was a Moody idea, Why would DD allow this to happen [14:41] <JaneMarple9> sort of twisted thing he would do [14:41] <Expelliarmas> bye bemused [14:41] *** bemused left #lounge [] [14:41] <JaneMarple9> take care Bemused [14:41] <fawkes28> it scares me that he knew that people like ron and hermione could not throw it off - it scares me a lot [14:41] <adamgryff> bye bemused [14:41] <futureweasley> For Moody to do it and risk it getting back to DD that is was "DD's idea"...that's extremely dangerous [14:41] <harryfreak359> No idea...I think it may have been a "moody" thing [14:41] <Aislinn> I think it was a mutual decision - I do think that DD would see the practical value of Harry knowing what it felt like and how to cast if off [14:41] <Expelliarmas> DD might have had them trained to fight it off [14:41] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [14:41] <Ravendor> I tend to think it was more Moody's idea, but I'm not sure [14:41] <futureweasley> I agree Expie [14:42] <fawkes28> i think DD wanted to know how strong harry was inside [14:42] <MrMcGonagall> It surprises me - firebrand that she is - that Hermione couldn't throw it off. [14:42] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [14:42] <Expelliarmas> again, the DEs will use it in the next war and DD knows that [14:42] <futureweasley> DD had never been "conventional", has he? [14:42] <Aislinn> I think that DD is willing to take risks and push limits in order to hone Harry into what he needs to be to achieve his role in the Prophecy [14:42] <fawkes28> it actually didn't surpise me, mr. m [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Why didn't Dumbledore realise the Moody was a impersonator earlier? [14:42] <fawkes28> hermione is good with books - the practical she has a harder time with [14:42] <harryfreak359> Didn't surprise me either, Mr.M [14:42] <JaneMarple9> exactly Fawkes [14:42] <Expelliarmas> no, but then the DEs won't be conventional either [14:42] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione has such great force of mind, though. [14:42] <DumbleDebbie> good question Jane, Jr. did a really good job [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Books aren't everything [14:42] <futureweasley> yes, Hermione seems to be that she would hate the possibility of being controlled so much that she would be great at throwing it off [14:43] <harryfreak359> Knowledge and force of mind is a diferent thing [14:43] <fawkes28> and i think it is important that we see that side of hermione and it is also important that harry "shines" at something [14:43] <Aislinn> I think that she would have had a harder time that day, as she was so shocked by it even being done in class, being illegal [14:43] <JaneMarple9> but Harry "shines" at Quidditch [14:43] <harryfreak359> Harry's troubles probably helped him get through it. He has a stronger mind for that stuff [14:43] <fawkes28> yes, but something like this is so important for his own survival [14:43] <JaneMarple9> and most other things...except for Potions [14:43] <Aislinn> What did you think of Moody saying, “They’ll have trouble controlling you!” Did Moody seem pleased? [14:43] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Hermione is such a rule-follower as well. Being obedient to authority is also pretty ingrained in her nature. [14:44] <JaneMarple9> he did sound very pleased [14:44] <Expelliarmas> I think BDJr was impressed in spite of himself [14:44] <Aislinn> I think that's an excellent point, Mr M, and would tend to make her more susceptible [14:44] <fawkes28> i think even BCJ was very impressed [14:44] <JaneMarple9> he considered Harry a challenge! [14:44] <Ravendor> he seemed pleased and impressed [14:44] <adamgryff> I think Moody sounded really pleased about it, and impressed for his age [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he likes a good fight [14:44] <futureweasley> I agree fawkes [14:44] <harryfreak359> yes, he did, I think it was weird, but I think that maybe he knew something to tell LV about.. [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> Ooooh, creepy. It's almost as though Moody is looking forward to the rise of LV again. [14:44] <futureweasley> I think that Moody is mildly surprised at Harry's ability at such a young age [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> also, he was supposed to be acting like Moody [14:44] <Aislinn> I think he was impressed despite himself [14:44] <JaneMarple9> It was his job to train him for what was to come...but not train him quite enough [14:45] <Ravendor> yes, Aislinn [14:45] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. [14:45] <fawkes28> i think that is when he realized just how powerful harry really is [14:45] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:45] <Expelliarmas> or just how powerful Harry might become [14:45] <JaneMarple9> of course Moody was looking forward to the rebirth of Voldie. Voldie was his real master [14:45] <harryfreak359> I think maybe Expie [14:45] <Aislinn> What did you think of McGonagall asking Neville not to inform any of the Durmstrang lot he can’t do a Switching Spell? Why does she care about Durmstrang? Why not Beauxbatons? [14:46] <JaneMarple9> because she knew about Karkaoff? [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> good question, I don't know [14:46] <harryfreak359> Maybe because she views the Beauxbatons as the weaker school? [14:46] <fawkes28> she has pride [14:46] <JaneMarple9> about him being a former death eater [14:46] <futureweasley> I think it was just a pride thing [14:46] <Expelliarmas> I got mad at her saying that too him infront of the other kids [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> McGonagall takes great pride in her house and in her school. [14:46] <Pleshette> I wonder if the Beauxbaton school is considered a "fluff" sort ofschool [14:46] <futureweasley> lol fawkes...great minds, eh? [14:46] <fawkes28> and wants to make hogwarts look as good, if not better than the other schools [14:46] <JaneMarple9> There was no death eaters in Beaubatons as far as we know [14:46] <adamgryff> I wonder if it is because she knew durmstrang is a school with high demands and she wants to impress them [14:46] <futureweasley> I think she saw Durmstrange as the more "direct" competition [14:46] <Aislinn> I think that's true Jane - it probably had more to do with the knowledge that Dark arts are taught at Durmstrang, and she doesn't want the Hogwarts students to appear weak or vulnerable [14:47] <fawkes28> lol sometimes, future, sometimes [14:47] <futureweasley> *Durmstrang [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> they sure looked like the 'fluff' school in the movie, ugh [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, future. [14:47] <JaneMarple9> And McGonnagal is so proud of Hogwarts [14:47] <JaneMarple9> she wanted to give Hogwarts a good name [14:47] <fawkes28> yes, very proud, jane [14:47] <fawkes28> she is proud to work for dumbledore [14:47] <Aislinn> yes, she would have wanted to show Hogwarts off to its best advantage [14:47] <Pleshette> Ron didn't seem to mind, eh Debbie? [14:47] <JaneMarple9> she is embrassed by Neville [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> lol Plesh [14:48] <MrMcGonagall> I wouldn't say that Beauxbatons is a fluff school, but I do get the impression that they specialize in different forms of magic than predominate at Hogwarts. [14:48] <Aislinn> The Beauxbatons arrived in a giant carriage, pulled by giant winged horses–how did they keep Muggles from seeing them? [14:48] <adamgryff> I think she is at points jane [14:48] <JaneMarple9> no idea [14:48] <adamgryff> good question, I have no idea [14:48] <MrMcGonagall> Disillusionment charm? [14:48] <futureweasley> a fidelieus charm? [14:48] <Ravendor> no clue [14:48] <JaneMarple9> perhaps a massive Invisability cloak? [14:48] <Pleshette> Most likely an invisibility charm [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> an enormous invisibility cloak [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [14:48] <JaneMarple9> :D [14:48] <fawkes28> i agree, mr. m [14:48] <Pleshette> heh heh [14:49] <harryfreak359> lol [14:49] <Aislinn> if it was any of that, the students at Hogwarts wouldn't have been able to see if either [14:49] <JaneMarple9> Disillusament charm would work [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the horses are part thestral and they can turn their invisibily on and off [14:49] <futureweasley> I am rubbish at knowing my charm names [14:49] <Expelliarmas> it'd have to be an Invisibility Tent [14:49] <harryfreak359> Posisbly Mr.M [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> Then remove the charm as you apporach Hogwarts so everyone can see your spectacular entrance. [14:49] <harryfreak359> Possibly* [14:49] <JaneMarple9> perhaps [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> and the carriage has a cloaking device (oh wait, wrong story) [14:49] <fawkes28> well, it may have stopped once they got to hogwarts [14:49] <Pleshette> lol expel [14:49] <Aislinn> yeah, that seems the most plausible, Mr M [14:50] <Aislinn> What did you think of Maxime, a woman as large as Hagrid, wearing high-heeled shoes? [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> Like she needs them! lol. [14:50] <Pleshette> LOL good question [14:50] <JaneMarple9> She was trying to make herself look more grand [14:50] <harryfreak359> Hehehehehe, she doesn't need those shoes! [14:50] <JaneMarple9> more femimine [14:50] *** XHarry-Potter-LoverX has quit [Bye] [14:50] <adamgryff> lol she wants to be in style I guess [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> those French! [14:50] <Pleshette> To prove she's big-boned? [14:50] <harryfreak359> I agree Jane [14:50] <futureweasley> I am 6'1", and I wear high heels whenever I can get away with it [14:50] <Ravendor> yes, I agree, Jane [14:50] <fawkes28> i thought that meant hagrid would get a love interest when we saw how big she was [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> all about the fashion [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> Fashion over comfort. Hehe. [14:50] <Expelliarmas> Where does she buy those things? [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW! [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Yes, to prove she was big boned [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> you must tower over everyone. Oh the power! [14:51] <Ravendor> lol [14:51] <adamgryff> from owl order expie [14:51] <JaneMarple9> not a touch of giant in her! [14:51] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, that was my thought as well [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Owl order [14:51] <harryfreak359> I'm 5'3, so I wear high heels so that I am not the shortest person in the room [14:51] <futureweasley> lol harry [14:51] <futureweasley> freak [14:51] <harryfreak359> Owl order lol [14:51] <Aislinn> What did you think of the transport used by Durmstrang? Would you want to travel that way? [14:51] <Ravendor> haha, I'm 4'11 so I like heels [14:51] <Expelliarmas> not without a load of dramamine [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> I'd likely break an ankle in high heels [14:52] <JaneMarple9> to keep hidden [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> that was pretty cool, wizard submarine [14:52] <MrMcGonagall> It did not seem as pleasant as the Beauxbatons method of travel. [14:52] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [14:52] <futureweasley> I love ships...especially tall ships...I would have loved to travel that way [14:52] <Aislinn> I can't figure out how it would "jump" from one lake or body of water to another [14:52] <harryfreak359> I liked the ship, that;d be interesting ride! [14:52] <Ravendor> I'm not big on ships so not really [14:52] <Pleshette> It was pretty cool [14:52] <JaneMarple9> I'd probably break every bone in my body in high heels [14:52] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder if the ship network is to the lakes what the floo network is to fireplaces [14:52] <adamgryff> I think it was an easy way for them to travel without being seen [14:52] <JaneMarple9> agreed adam [14:52] <Aislinn> that's an intriguing idea debbie [14:52] <fawkes28> i wonder if they have a lot of water by them [14:53] *** cbm has joined #lounge This post has been edited by futureweasley: Dec 2 2006, 04:57 PM |
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[14:53] <JaneMarple9> I would say it would be more snowy [14:53] <fawkes28> hi cbm [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm [14:53] <adamgryff> hi cbm [14:53] <Pleshette> Hi cbm! [14:53] <harryfreak359> hi cbm! [14:53] <fawkes28> well frozen water i meant [14:53] <MrMcGonagall> It had to have been something magical. I mean, it's the Black LAKE. There's no underwater source connected to a larger body of water. [14:53] <JaneMarple9> I imagine it to be a very cold place [14:53] <cbm> Hi just here to say hello, bummed I missed it [14:53] <Aislinn> hi cbm - just in time for the end of the chat [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> they likely have some water otherwise why travel by boat [14:53] <JaneMarple9> Hi CBM [14:53] <Ravendor> hey, cbm [14:54] <JaneMarple9> perhaps Durmstrang is on a island [14:54] <JaneMarple9> like Askaban [14:55] <Aislinn> Upon first meeting Karkaroff (yellow teeth, weak chin, cold/calculating eyes), what was your first impression? [14:55] <JaneMarple9> weak [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> nasty [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> Ick. [14:55] <Expelliarmas> DE! [14:55] <Ravendor> eww [14:55] <harryfreak359> evil nad nasty [14:55] <JaneMarple9> nasty yes [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> not to be trusted [14:55] <harryfreak359> and* [14:55] <adamgryff> nasty [14:55] <Pleshette> not my type [14:55] <Ravendor> not someone I'd like to hang around [14:55] <cbm> that he was one of the bad guys [14:55] <JaneMarple9> DE writen all over his face [14:55] <harryfreak359> Yup, i agree [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> Did not like him. And I didn't like the way he treated his students either. [14:55] <Expelliarmas> and his being the head of durmstrang said nothing in the school's favor [14:56] <JaneMarple9> I can see we really like Karkaoff then! [14:56] <harryfreak359> lol [14:56] <Ravendor> oh yes, adore him, Jane [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't shed too many tears over his demise. [14:56] <JaneMarple9> nor me [14:56] <JaneMarple9> better off dead than being on the "bad" side [14:56] <futureweasley> Karkaroff...one word. Gross [14:56] <DumbleDebbie> pity we didn't actually "see' it happen [14:57] <cbm> He probably should of been in Azkaban [14:57] <Pleshette> You could tell right away who his intended champion was [14:57] <JaneMarple9> thats a point.....is he really really dead? [14:57] <Pleshette> Not sure why he brought the others...to steer the boat maybe? [14:57] <Aislinn> I think he really is [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> i think so Jane [14:57] <adamgryff> too make it look fair pleshette [14:57] <cbm> For us to see it happen, it would mean that Harry saw it. Not good in my opinion [14:57] <MrMcGonagall> No. He's going to get some Crest Whitestrips and pull a Gandalf in Book 7. [14:57] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think he's important enough to waste a fake death on [14:57] <harryfreak359> I think so [14:58] <futureweasley> LOL MrMcG [14:58] <harryfreak359> LOL Mr.McG [14:58] <JaneMarple9> Arthur and everyone said so but things can be like Chinese Whispers, blown out porportion [14:58] <Pleshette> lol mr.mcg [14:58] <adamgryff> lol [14:58] <Aislinn> so, we have just been introduced to the other schools at the end of this chapter - we'll have to wait for the next chapter discussion to get into them further [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [14:58] <futureweasley> well, this marks the end of yet another great chat!! [14:58] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [14:58] <harryfreak359> Woot! [14:58] <futureweasley> thank you guys so much for coming! [14:58] <Aislinn> It's been a great chat guys - I can't believe how quickly it went by! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> great chat agreed [14:58] <fawkes28> woo hoo, hf [14:58] <Pleshette> Aww it's over already? [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> wb stinky [14:58] <harryfreak359> It was a great chat! [14:58] <adamgryff> great chat everyone [14:58] * futureweasley gives the chatters a big ol' group hug [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> Group hug time! [14:58] <stinkywinky> sorry I missed it! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> I love the weekend chats! [14:59] <harryfreak359> That's what I meant fawkes! :doh: [14:59] <Ravendor> me too, Jane! [14:59] <fawkes28> lol [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> take care all [14:59] <JaneMarple9> whats the topic tomorrow? [14:59] <futureweasley> MrM, check the top of your screen, please [14:59] * fawkes28 joins the group hug [14:59] <cbm> bummer. wish I could of made it here sooner. see all of you at the next one [14:59] * harryfreak359 hugs everyone [14:59] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [14:59] <Pleshette> See you all later... back to decorating! [14:59] <harryfreak359> [14:59] <harryfreak359> have fun Pleshette! [14:59] * Pleshette hugs everyone. [14:59] * JaneMarple9 gets ready to be hugged to death [14:59] <adamgryff> bye everyone [14:59] <MrMcGonagall> got it future! Bye, everybody! [15:00] <JaneMarple9> :hug: everybody [15:00] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [15:00] <futureweasley> see you guys soon! Tomorrow at P3!!! [15:00] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [15:00] <Aislinn> Dumbledore's family is being discussed tomorrow [15:00] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [15:00] <Expelliarmas> see you folks tomorrow [15:00] <harryfreak359> Bye guys! [15:00] <Ravendor> bye, guys [15:00] <JaneMarple9> oooo can't miss that one! [15:00] <futureweasley> bye all [15:00] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [15:00] *** Ravendor left #lounge [] [15:00] <fawkes28> bye everyone [15:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody one last time [15:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:00] <cbm> that should be interesting [15:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:00] <cbm> We can talk about goats [15:00] <futureweasley> yes, cbm...sounds like a chat I can't miss!! [15:01] <futureweasley> see you later! [15:01] <cbm> bye [15:01] *** XHarry-Potter-LoverX has joined #lounge [15:02] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> hiya [15:02] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:02] <futureweasley> the chat is over XHarry...we'll see you tomorrow at 3PM EST [15:02] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> kk [15:02] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> lol [15:02] <futureweasley> thanks [15:02] <futureweasley> goodbye [15:02] <XHarry-Potter-LoverX> bye [15:03] *** XHarry-Potter-LoverX has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by futureweasley: Dec 2 2006, 04:59 PM |
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