Reading Group Chat: July 8th Transcript, Tom Riddle and his Diary |
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Today's chat moderators were: Aislinn, andy the house elf, magicmeg8, and Trozam.
Today's Reading Group Leaders were: ~Mokey, cloudpic, GregoryTheSmarmy, and TheGuruOfSloth. *** Topic is: Reading group chat - Tom Riddle and his Diary *** Topic set by Aislinn [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] <Aislinn> hey meg! *** NickTLC has joined #lounge <magicmeg8> hey ann smile *** Belenzie has joined #lounge <Belenzie> long time no see!! <Aislinn> Hi Bel <Aislinn> How is everyone today? <unlvgrl328> Great *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> hey guys! <Belenzie> good <Belenzie> anyone see pirates?? <Aislinn> we'll give people a few minutes to get here, and then get started <unlvgrl328> I am going to try and see it today. <Belenzie> yeah me too <Belenzie> wanna win a prize! *** HPFan731 has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> i haven't seen it yet <HPFan731> hi all <harryfreak359> probably will sometime this week <Belenzie> hi <harryfreak359> hi *** x0ginnyW0x has joined #lounge <x0ginnyW0x> Hello! <harryfreak359> hi ginny <HPFan731> hey! <x0ginnyW0x> Great topic today! <HPFan731> ya i agree <x0ginnyW0x> We're just getting started right? <HPFan731> ya i don't think we've started yet <x0ginnyW0x> okay cool <harryfreak359> i agree this topic is going to be interesting <harryfreak359> nobody is saying anything ;) <x0ginnyW0x> We're just waiting for more people to come before we get started I think <HPFan731> ya <x0ginnyW0x> Calm Before the Strom ;D <harryfreak359> lol <HPFan731> lol <unlvgrl328> I wanna win a prize <harryfreak359> me too <Belenzie> at my theatre you can win a cruize or something and movie prizes-woop! <Belenzie> *cruise <harryfreak359> nice theatre! <HPFan731> for heads up everybody: if I suddenly leave it's because my computer is infected with viruses thanks to my little half-wit of a brother. I am currently trying to get rid of them. <unlvgrl328> ooo...I'll have to look into that. I hope my theater has that. <HPFan731> I have a scanner going now <Belenzie> k <x0ginnyW0x> LOL Okay Miranda <HPFan731> I hate my brother <HPFan731> lol <harryfreak359> hopefully you get rid of them <Belenzie> its cineplexodeon <x0ginnyW0x> Thats why I have my own computer, the family one is in ruins <harryfreak359> i have mine so ican actually get on the computer ;) *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <harryfreak359> nobody has really shown up yet... <unlvgrl328> I had my own, but my family still uses it so now I have to use the family one. I am saving up to get a Mac now and I am going to put a password or something on it. <harryfreak359> lol <Belenzie> they're all at pirates! <harryfreak359> maybe they are! <unlvgrl328> haha...probably <harryfreak359> how rude of them not to invite us! <Belenzie> ......well they're all missin a hell of a party!!1 <Belenzie> lol <harryfreak359> thats for sure <unlvgrl328> yup...I'd rather discuss potter than see pirates *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge <wronskifeint> ey <wronskifeint> *hey *** unlvgrl328 has quit [Bye] <harryfreak359> somebody whoisn't seeing pirates! A celebration is in order! *** unlvgrl328 has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> hey! <unlvgrl328> hey <x0ginnyW0x> LOLRight at this second actually, I wish I was seeing pir <x0ginnyW0x> oops <x0ginnyW0x> that message got messed up *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> lol *** HPFan731 has quit [Bye] <magicmeg8> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. *** HPFan731 has joined #lounge <magicmeg8> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. <magicmeg8> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Meg, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. Thanks for your cooperation! <magicmeg8> For further information, check out the new Corner Booth thread: http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> Now, the diary to me is a very scary object, a really, really frightening object. This manipulative little book, the temptation particularly for a young girl to pour out her heart to a diary, which is never something I was prone to, but my sister was. The power of something that answers you back, and at the time that I wrote that I'd never been in an Internet chat room <Aislinn> But I've since thought "Well it's very similar." Just typing your deepest thoughts into the ether and getting answers back, and you don't know who is answering you. And so that was always a very scary image to me, in the book, and I thought it worked very well in the film. You could understand when he started writing to see these things coming back to him, and the power of that, that secret friend in your pocket. <Aislinn> -- J.K. Rowling (interview 2/2003) *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge <magicmeg8> So, let's start with the most obvious question: Why a diary? <magicmeg8> You're now free to talk smile <wronskifeint> Maybe he wanted to ... uh... keep his thoughts written down? <wronskifeint> So if someone found it he could communicate with them? <x0ginnyW0x> I think a diary was chosen because it is an ordinary object that people (being people) will take interest in and possibly write in <unlvgrl328> Maybe he just wanted to choose a common thing that nobody would suspect and something that someone would write in <harryfreak359> or that it was something that someon least expect that it came from him? *** dillypoo has joined #lounge <Trozam> I always found it interesting the a diary is loosely used to keep your thoughts, which is what he did. Just not by writing them down. <HPFan731> I think that it's because diaries are sooooo secret he had a secret life. <wronskifeint> g2g *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] <harryfreak359> bye <Aislinn> Do you think he had enchantments on it to entice someone to use it? <magicmeg8> Hi dillypoo, we're discussing why tom riddle chose to make the diary his first Horcrux <Belenzie> well maybe its symbo;ic i person can and will pour their heart and SOUL in a diary and maybe riddle thought it appropiate for a horcrux <dillypoo> hi <x0ginnyW0x> No I don't think so Aislinn <unlvgrl328> I think once he found out about horcruxes he knew he could use it that way <dillypoo> have you talked yet about whether the diary was the first or second horcrux? <unlvgrl328> Did he find out about horcruxes before or after he framed Hagrid? <Aislinn> no, dillypoo <harryfreak359> no i don't think so either aislinn <x0ginnyW0x> No Dillly, we just started <dillypoo> cool...smile <x0ginnyW0x> Before I think unlv <Aislinn> so why do you think Harry was so drawn to it? *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <Islwyn13> Greetings, all! <Belenzie> well maybe its symbolic a person can and will pour their heart and SOUL in a diary and maybe riddle thought it appropiate for a horcrux <HPFan731> I think that harry was just curious <Aislinn> Hi, Isl! <unlvgrl328> Harry is very curious and he had that feeling he had heard the name. <x0ginnyW0x> I think its human nature to be drawn to a diary, natural curiosity <HPFan731> he is alwasy getting his nose into things *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge <dillypoo> harry and ginny were both drawn to the diary...ron was fearful of it <Islwyn13> Having just come in, forgive me if this is a repeat, but is it possible the diary made him think he'd heard the name before? <harryfreak359> because he wanted answers, and it was odd to find the diary so he thought it might help him, especially when he saw the dates on the it <Islwyn13> to increase his curiosity *** Aisling has joined #lounge <x0ginnyW0x> brb <Belenzie> sigh.......wher's doris when i need her........she always agrees with me smile <harryfreak359> yeah islwyn <Aislinn> that's what I was wondering, Isl <Islwyn13> It's a hard one to call...Harry IS very curious smile *** GregoryTheSmarmy has joined #lounge <harryfreak359> lol <GregoryTheSmarmy> hello everyone! <dillypoo> i think the diary wanted to draw someone in so that it would be used... <Islwyn13> I think he would have tried to see what was in the diary anyway... <harryfreak359> that for sure <gryffindelle> hello <harryfreak359> hello <HPFan731> he might of heard the name before. maybe voldemort shared memories as well as powers with harry??? <x0ginnyW0x> Hello Gregory <GregoryTheSmarmy>  <Islwyn13> but feeling that the name T.M. Riddle was familiar may have been the magic of the diary <Aislinn> but its interesting that Ron and Hermione were not drawn to it, while ginny and Harry were <gryffindelle> the diary is definetely a horcrux, correct? <Islwyn13> Oo, HPFan731, that's possible <dillypoo> ron was wary of it...but ginny and harry both got lured into it <Islwyn13> According to DD, it was a horcrux, yes <HPFan731> I agree aislinn <dillypoo> yes, it was a horcrux <Islwyn13> Well, I dont' think Ron every touched it... <HPFan731> maybe it's Harry's and Ginny's connection to each other. or something to d with that <Islwyn13> Hermione did, and she was curious about it, more so that Ron *** Sejo_Apex has quit [Bye] <dillypoo> if the diary wasn't enchanted, then i don't think ginny or harry would've been very interested in it <Aislinn> so do you think that touching it started an enchantment, isl? <unlvgrl328> Ron told Harry to chuck it <GregoryTheSmarmy> Hmm yeah, I wonder why Harry specifically felt so drawn to it... it must have been special for him somehow <Islwyn13> Ginny may have written in it, thinking it was a gift from her parents, just a blank diary <x0ginnyW0x> Or maybe its because Harry and Ginny have magical rarities, as Ginny is the seventh daughter and that whole ting <x0ginnyW0x> *thing <dillypoo> touching it may be how the enchantment started. <Belenzie> the diary was alot like harrys obseesion with draco in book6 they disagred with harry but in the end he was right <gryffindelle> a major purpose of putting it there could have been to introduce that idea of horcruxes, if she was thinking that far in advance <dillypoo> who also touched it, had it in their possession for very long <gryffindelle> using the diary at all <x0ginnyW0x> Right Belenzie, it was a gut feeling <Aislinn> I think she was gruff <Islwyn13> I'm sure she was thinking in advance... <Aislinn> gryff <HPFan731> Lucius also touched it <Aisling> Lucious Malfoy did Dillypoo <gryffindelle> and it could have been his connection to voldemort that drew harry to it <Islwyn13> Doesn't DD say in this book (later) that he was intrigued that the diary seemed to have a bit of Tom's soul in it? Rather than just memories? <x0ginnyW0x> Yes but he knew it for what it was HPfan <dillypoo> do did draco and hermione <GregoryTheSmarmy> that's interesting... I've never thought of touching before.. <GregoryTheSmarmy> but it sounds plausible <Aislinn> yes, Isl, DD does say that <Islwyn13> But Lucius may have been protected from it, seeing as how LV gave it to him <HPFan731> I don't think he did know THE <HPFan731> Ginny <dillypoo> perhaps it needed to be handled at hogwarts for the enchantment to work <Aislinn> How much do you think Lucius knew about the diary? <x0ginnyW0x> Well he had a general idea, that it belonged to LV <HPFan731> I think he just knew it was evil and put it somewhere as a joke <Islwyn13> Only that it would open the CoS...not that it was a horcrux <x0ginnyW0x> I don't think he knew it was a horcrux <gryffindelle> yeah <GregoryTheSmarmy> that's an interesting question Aislinn... <Belenzie> i've read a theory where lucius had no intention of giving the diary to ginny or a weasley for that matter but he did it out of a feeling of spite after the altercation in Fand B's <Islwyn13> LV gave it to him specifically <HPFan731> I think lucius just knew it was an evil object but I don't think that he knew it was a horcrux <dillypoo> if the object of the enchantment was to reopen the chamber, then drawing in someone not at hogwarts wouldn't accomplish much <GregoryTheSmarmy> he must have known the diary would cause the Chamber to be opened, yeah <x0ginnyW0x> LV gave it to him for safekeeping, but didn't tell him what it was <Islwyn13> True, dillypoo <x0ginnyW0x> Just that it would open the chamber <Aisling> But if he knew it was a horcrux he would have taken care of it <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree Ginny <Islwyn13> DD surmises that LV did intend for Lucius to reopen the CoS at some point... <unlvgrl328> Yeah, he told Draco some details about the last time <dillypoo> i don't think he knew it was a horcrux <Islwyn13> but was vanquished before he could give the final order to do so <harryfreak359> not much i think, or he wouldn't have given it to a little girl, though i do believe he knew it had something to do with the chamber of secrets <gryffindelle> if it really is part of his soul, then it might have simply been a way for him to return to hogwarts <x0ginnyW0x> hmmm <gryffindelle> the only place he ever really considered "home" <Aisling> True. <unlvgrl328> I think Lucius knew that it would in someway bring LV back, but didn't know it was a horcrux. <Islwyn13> but when he gave it to Lucius, LV knew it was only a small fraction of his soul... <gryffindelle> it might not have had a "purpose" other than being a good way to do that <x0ginnyW0x> Do you think that LV had to give the diary extra enchantments to make the memory Tom come out of it? Or is that just part of being a horcrux? <HPFan731> ya unlvgrl <dillypoo> i disagree, gryff <gryffindelle> ? <Islwyn13> I think it was separate magic, x0ginny <HPFan731> I think that it is just part of veing a horcrux Ginny <Aislinn> and he didn't know that he would be out of his body at the time he created it, or gave it to Lucius <gryffindelle> good question, ginny <dillypoo> i think lm knew it would reopen the chamber, not bring lv back <Islwyn13> I think it was bewitched with his memories before he made it a horcrux <Islwyn13> agreed, Dilly <Aislinn> I see the memories and the soul that are in it as 2 separate but interrelated things, ginny <GregoryTheSmarmy> I don't think the other Horcruxes would have Riddle coming out of them <Aislinn> me either <Islwyn13> me either <HPFan731> same <Trozam> Thank goodness for that. <Islwyn13> lol <HPFan731> haha <x0ginnyW0x> mmm I agree Smarmy and Aislinn <dillypoo> lm thought lv gone for good, he was stuck with a very incriminating dark object that once belonged to lv...he wanted to gget rid of it <Aislinn> I think it is the memories of the diary that caused that to happen <Aislinn> I agree dilly <HPFan731> ya aislinn <unlvgrl328> Yeah, that's true. <Islwyn13> yep, Lucius giving it to Ginny fell hard on the heels of him getting rid of other dark objects... <gryffindelle> i agree smarme + aislinn <x0ginnyW0x> It would be interesting in book 7 though if Harry had to fight MemoryMort before destroying any of the Horcruxes <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah, and the other Horcruxes are "just" Horcruxes, no memories in them... <Aislinn> Do people think he meant it as a Horcrux right from the start, or only as a means to reopen the Chamber? <GregoryTheSmarmy> ooooo <Islwyn13> But he knew the diary was a way to open the CoS, so he could do that and get rid of an incriminating piece of dark magic at the same time <Aisling> That would be a pain <HPFan731> ya the diary is special in that way <GregoryTheSmarmy> interesting idea Ginny <Aislinn> memoryMort is gone though ginny <gryffindelle> yeah *** Aisling has quit [Bye] <Islwyn13> He didn't learn about horcruxes until a little over a year after the first CoS opening <GregoryTheSmarmy> I think he meant it as his "pracitice" Horcrux <x0ginnyW0x> MemoryMort in the diary is gone <Islwyn13> in his seventh year <Islwyn13> Yeah, Gregory, that's what I've been thinking too <x0ginnyW0x> not in the other horcruxes (assuming Memorymort is part of a horcrux) <unlvgrl328> I think it was just meant to be able to open the chamber and then once he learned about horcruxes, he made it a horcrux. I think it was the horcrux he made after killing Myrtle <x0ginnyW0x> And thats a big assume <Aislinn> I don't think that is part of a Horcrux ginny <Aislinn> I think that the memories are specific to the fact that it was a diary <gryffindelle> i agree unlvgrl <GregoryTheSmarmy> but Riddle didn't kill Myrtle directly, did he? <Aislinn> where LV placed memories <Islwyn13> Well, he didn't learn about horcruxes until after he killed his father and grandparents <GregoryTheSmarmy> it was the Basilisk... <Islwyn13> that's true, too <Aislinn> separation of body/mind/soul <Islwyn13> he did directly murder his father, though <unlvgrl328> He controlled it though <Islwyn13> I think that was the murder he used to make his first horcrux <Aislinn> i agree greg <x0ginnyW0x> I agree Aislinn, I was just thinking of the posibility that maybe Memorymort is part of the horcrus <gryffindelle> true, but he ordered the basalisk to kill her, so it could have had the same effect <x0ginnyW0x> *horcrux <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree islwyn <Aislinn> me too <dillypoo> sorry...hubby is here and distracting me...brb <gryffindelle> me too <Islwyn13> It was a more momentous murder for him <Islwyn13> Myrtle was just some girl <gryffindelle> , aisliin <gryffindelle> it could easily have been his first, though <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree islwyn, DD said LV wanted to use "important" murders for them, right? <gryffindelle> horcrux <Islwyn13> yep <x0ginnyW0x> Right Smarmy <Aislinn> that was DD's thought <gryffindelle> i agree *** Aisling has joined #lounge <Islwyn13> and only used Frank Bryce's murder to make his final horcrux because he had to, according to DD <GregoryTheSmarmy> Do you think DD was wrong in that, Aislinn? <unlvgrl328> Never mind, I thought that the Chamber being opened and the horcruxes thing was the same. He had to look up his heritage and find out he was the heir of Slytherin and then find out about his father <HPFan731> so what significance did myrtle have? <gryffindelle> but it was his first murder, so that would have been important <GregoryTheSmarmy> not much <Aislinn> no, I think he was correct <GregoryTheSmarmy> I think [13:42] <GregoryTheSmarmy> k [13:42] <x0ginnyW0x> Just a random girl HPfan [13:42] <Islwyn13> None, I dont' think, HPF [13:42] <x0ginnyW0x> one that got in the way [13:43] <Islwyn13> that's true, Gryff, but it happened more than a year before he could make his first horcrux [13:43] <HPFan731> do you think that voldy killed the *horcurx* deaths because they had special traits kind of like the sorting hat does. [13:43] <Islwyn13> maybe the murder has to happen relatively recently to catch the piece of the soul [13:43] <gryffindelle> oh, ok [13:43] <x0ginnyW0x> I think they were a big deal to him HPFan [13:43] <x0ginnyW0x> like the death of his father [13:43] <Aislinn> that's what I have wondered too, Isl [13:43] <GregoryTheSmarmy> umm... yeah what Ginny said [13:43] <HPFan731> ya that's what I'm thinking ginny [13:43] <harryfreak359> i agree [13:43] <x0ginnyW0x> ;D [13:44] <Islwyn13> He doesn't kill himself usually, he sends his DEs to do it [13:44] <HPFan731> they were people he knew or something or had very speical triats like the founders and he killed them. [13:44] <Aislinn> so, we think he created the diary first, and then later on, after killing his father, decided to try to make it a Horcrux? [13:44] <HPFan731> ya [13:44] <Islwyn13> Sirius says he doesn't think LV would stoop to killing REgulus himself, since Regulus wasn't that important to LV [13:44] *** Mokey has joined #lounge [13:44] <harryfreak359> yeah aislinn [13:44] <Islwyn13> Yes, Aislinn, that's my theory [13:44] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:44] <gryffindelle> unless he was RAB and thats why he was killed [13:45] <magicmeg8> Yes, I believe so, Aislinn -- that's the most logical theory. [13:45] <GregoryTheSmarmy> actually, I think he only created the Diary in his 6th year, when he knew how to make a Horcrux [13:45] <Islwyn13> but why did he use the diary? because it was involved somehow with his first murder? [13:45] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:45] <x0ginnyW0x> Yeas Aislinn [13:45] <Trozam> I'd have to agree that myrtle wasn't all that important. [13:45] <Aisling> Well it was his memories from school [13:45] <Islwyn13> I don't think LV knows RAB took his horcrux [13:45] <GregoryTheSmarmy> doesn't Riddle say "I saved the memory of my 16-year-old self" or something? [13:45] <dillypoo> hubby is gone now...i'm back [13:45] <unlvgrl328> Or RAB tried to destroy the horcrux and died and Sirius thought it was death eaters [13:45] <Islwyn13> Otherwise, why was the note and the dud locket still in the chalice? [13:45] <Aislinn> So, do you think the Diarymort was telling the truth when he said he created it for the purpose of reopening the chamber, and that was separate from the whole horux deal? [13:45] <GregoryTheSmarmy> hey Mokey! [13:45] <Mokey> hi Greggy! [13:45] <harryfreak359> maybe at that time [13:45] <dillypoo> i think the ring was the first horcrux and at the diary the second [13:45] <Islwyn13> I do, yes, Ais [13:46] <harryfreak359> then he changed it to a horcrux [13:46] <GregoryTheSmarmy> really, dilly? [13:46] <x0ginnyW0x> mmm Yes Aislinn [13:46] <gryffindelle> or dd could have been wrong and the diary was not a horcrux @ all [13:46] <dillypoo> yes [13:46] <Islwyn13> that's possible, dilly, but why go back to teh diary? [13:46] <GregoryTheSmarmy> doesn't DD think the Diary was the first? [13:46] <Islwyn13> what made it special? [13:46] <HPFan731> ya I think he created the diary like wrote in it, than created the horcrux later [13:46] <dillypoo> making a horcrux is very difficult... [13:46] <x0ginnyW0x> I think the diary was a vessel to get back to Hogwarts in [13:46] <Aisling> It could have been he made the diary to allow the chamber to be reopened seeing how he was the last descendant of Slytherin [13:46] <dillypoo> the ring was a significant object to him...making it the first horcrux would be symbolic [13:46] <Islwyn13> but only a small portion of his soul would have returned. [13:46] <dillypoo> the diary had two purposes: horcrux and reopening the chamber [13:46] <Islwyn13> and DD would surely notice if 16-yr-old Tom was wandering the school 50 years later [13:47] <x0ginnyW0x> But why make the diary a horcrux, why not use some other object thats not holding his memory there? [13:47] <Islwyn13> for the ring, yes, Dilly...but why the diary? [13:47] <dillypoo> that seems both cavalier and complicated for a first horcrux [13:47] <Islwyn13> true, Dilly, but he WAS 17 at the time... [13:47] <Islwyn13> a bit rash, I would think [13:47] <Mokey> perhaps it was an experiment [13:47] <gryffindelle> does a horcrux part of a soul countinue to "grow" at the same rate as the soul in the person? [13:47] <Mokey> people are clumsy the first time they try something [13:47] <Aisling> He considered school a home so in making the diary a horcrux it was to remember those days [13:47] <x0ginnyW0x> Maybe not all Horcruxes are memorymort holders, but Horcruxes can be made into memorymort holders [13:48] <Mokey> hence what dillypoo is saying about cavalier [13:48] <Islwyn13> probably not, Gryff...too much damage done [13:48] <Mokey> I agree ginny [13:48] <x0ginnyW0x> But in order to hold a memory, it must first be a horcrux [13:48] <dillypoo> i think it was a way to give everyone the finger, so to speak...i can make multiple horcruxes...and one of them can even be a dark, evil tool to create havoc [13:48] <Islwyn13> which is why I think the diary was first...an experiment (like has been said) [13:48] <Mokey> I don't know about that ginny [13:48] <gryffindelle> so, they could all end up turning into memories of him at various points of his life [13:48] <Islwyn13> He would probably use a lesser item to try it out, before using something as significant as the ring of his father [13:48] <harryfreak359> i disagree ginny [13:48] *** Sejo_Apex has joined #lounge [13:48] <unlvgrl328> Yeah, I think it was first [13:48] <Mokey> I think it was kind of like the Mauraders Map or a Pensieve [13:49] <GregoryTheSmarmy> how so, Mokes? [13:49] <x0ginnyW0x> I'm not sure, I'm just throwing ideas out [13:49] <Aislinn> I think the memories are very specific to things like diaries or pensieves [13:49] <Mokey> the MM, and the pensieve could hold memories without being horcruxes [13:49] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah [13:49] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:49] <x0ginnyW0x> Yeah..good point [13:49] <Aislinn> I don't think that memories are specifically related to horcruxes [13:49] <HPFan731> g2g happy chatting! [13:49] <Mokey> but I think if it wasn't a horcrux, the memory wouldn't have had the power to come alive [13:49] *** HPFan731 has quit [Bye] [13:49] <Mokey> liek to actually come out of the diary [13:50] <gryffindelle> hmmm....... [13:50] <Islwyn13> or at least, not to really think for itself [13:50] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [13:50] <Aislinn> I agree mokey [13:50] <x0ginnyW0x> Do you think the soul gives extra life to the memory Mokey? [13:50] <dillypoo> if the diary was the first horcrux, then i think lv added the memory enchantment after he made the second horcrux [13:50] <Islwyn13> doesn't memory 16-yr-old Tom know things that the real 16-yr-old Tom didn't? [13:50] <Islwyn13> like about being LV? [13:50] <harryfreak359> tha't a possibility mokey [13:50] <unlvgrl328> The only reason the diary had memories was because he put them there before it became a horcrux. I don't think the things like the cup and locket have a memorymort [13:50] <x0ginnyW0x> Yes he does Islwyn [13:50] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah because Ginny fills him in, right? [13:50] <Mokey> I think so ginny [13:50] *** Trozam has quit [Bye] [13:50] <x0ginnyW0x> Right [13:50] <Aislinn> I think he was 16 when he entered the memory enchantments in the diary, and that is why he looks that age [13:50] <Islwyn13> I think that's where the horcrux thing comes in [13:51] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree aislinn [13:51] <Islwyn13> yeah, and originally, it was probalby just going to regurgitate what real Tom16 knew [13:51] <harryfreak359> i agree aislinn [13:51] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I think he only created the Diary a year after the events [13:51] <magicmeg8> Do you think that the Diary is an atypical Horcrux? Why or why not? What makes it different? [13:51] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree Ais [13:51] <Islwyn13> but after it was made a horcrux, it took on a life of it's own, literally [13:51] <Mokey> I agree Aislinn and Islwyn [13:51] <Aislinn> right, Isl [13:51] <dillypoo> didn't jo say something about how terrible it would have been if the memory had succeeded in draining ginny's life and becoming real again? [13:51] <Islwyn13> yeah, i think it's atypical [13:51] <Mokey> that's interesting Greggy [13:51] <x0ginnyW0x> I think the fact that the Memory came out makes it a unique horcrux [13:51] <unlvgrl328> It did that because it had memories and a part of a soul [13:51] <Aislinn> good question, meg. I do think it is atypical [13:52] <Islwyn13> No one, before LV, made more than one horcrux... [13:52] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I think it's atypical in that it has the side function... [13:52] <Islwyn13> so they wouldn't be as careless with the one they made [13:52] <Aisling> That we know of [13:52] <Islwyn13> true [13:52] <Aislinn> again, because of the memories allowing the soul bit be more than just an anchor [13:52] <x0ginnyW0x> I think it carries out the function of a normal horcrux....plus some [13:52] <leakylurker> I think it is atypical because it could act on it's own, it wasn't just sitting around waiting for LV to come use it. [13:52] <x0ginnyW0x> Its an upgraded version of a horcrux [13:52] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree Ginny [13:52] <unlvgrl328> yeah [13:52] <Islwyn13> right, but if it were your only horcrux, would you want it in the hands of someone else? [13:52] <dillypoo> agree, lurker [13:52] <Islwyn13> or would you want to keep it extra safe? [13:53] <Aisling> Keep it safe [13:53] <Islwyn13> right... [13:53] <Aislinn> right leaky [13:53] <dillypoo> and if it were your only horcrux, would you enchant it in the hopes that it would be used? [13:53] <gryffindelle> i think that the horcruxes will end up turning into memories of him @ the time when he created that horcrux [13:53] <unlvgrl328> When he gave it to Lucius, it wasn't his only one. [13:53] <Islwyn13> this was one of the reasons that DD became concerned that there may be more than one LV horcrux [13:53] <leakylurker> I think it was capable of taking care of itself! [13:53] <Aislinn> I think that most Horcruxes have no ability to act [13:53] *** Trozam has joined #lounge [13:53] <Islwyn13> because he was relatively careless with this one [13:53] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yes, exactly Ais [13:53] <x0ginnyW0x> Its interesting Gryffindelle, but I don't think its going to happen [13:53] <harryfreak359> i agree aislinn [13:53] <Islwyn13> Well, ti failed to take care of itself, though... [13:53] <Islwyn13> It's gone now [13:53] <Mokey> I agree unlvgrl, I think by the time he even knew lucius he probably had a few [13:54] <x0ginnyW0x> Yes, Aislinn, I agree [13:54] <Aislinn> it tried, but Harry was better! [13:54] <Aisling> I agree Aislinn and I think that the Diary did act because it had memories of his in it [13:54] <GregoryTheSmarmy> so... Riddle must have known he could create more than one Horcrux before he made this one? [13:54] <gryffindelle> yeah [13:54] <dillypoo> i think so [13:54] <dillypoo> yes [13:54] <x0ginnyW0x> Yes [13:54] <GregoryTheSmarmy> because like JKR said, Horcruxes don't draw attention to themselves... but this one does [13:54] <Islwyn13> true, and he got that info from Slughorn [13:54] <leakylurker> Yes it was no match for Harry, but either was LV! [13:54] <Islwyn13> in his seventh year [13:54] <x0ginnyW0x> because of the conversation with Slughorn [13:54] <Aislinn> how old was he when he asked sluggy about horcruxes - about 16, right? [13:54] <Aisling> Yes [13:54] <Mokey> Greggy that emphasises your point that he made it a year later [13:54] <Islwyn13> about 17 [13:54] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:54] <x0ginnyW0x> He was asking about multiple horcruxes at that point [13:54] <Aislinn> so he would have known around then that he could make more than one [13:54] <x0ginnyW0x> Right Aislinn [13:54] <dillypoo> so it's possible he'd made the first one already [13:54] <harryfreak359> right [13:55] <gryffindelle> hmm. [13:55] <gryffindelle> ... [13:55] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah Mokes [13:55] <dillypoo> he had the ring when he talked to sluggy...so he'd already killed his father and grandparents [13:55] <Islwyn13> CoS opened first time in 1943...learned of horcruxes in 1945, according to Lexicon [13:55] <x0ginnyW0x> 1945? thats an interesting year [13:55] <x0ginnyW0x> with WWII and all [13:55] <magicmeg8> Was Riddle's diary important to him prior to becoming a Horcrux? Why do you think so? Or not think so? [13:55] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny [13:55] <Aisling> Yeah and the defeat of Grindelwald [13:55] <Islwyn13> hehe, yep, interesting year indeed smile [13:55] <GregoryTheSmarmy> didn't he leave school in '45? [13:55] <dillypoo> ring or diary- [13:55] <unlvgrl328> Yes [13:56] <magicmeg8> Why do you think that, unlvgrl? [13:56] <Aislinn> I think that all the objects he chose as Horcruxes were important to him [13:56] <dillypoo> sorry...my posts are weirding on my [13:56] <dillypoo> me [13:56] <x0ginnyW0x> No I don't see Voldy as a diary keeper [13:56] <Islwyn13> Well, it kept his memory of being the Heir of Slytherin, something he couldn't admit to at the time (according to DD - such a mine of info, that man) [13:56] <magicmeg8> Really, ginny? [13:56] <harryfreak359> i think it was important to him, because he probably had already planned into preserving his memory in ti [13:56] <Aislinn> the diary because it proved he was Slytherin's heir, as DD said [13:56] <Mokey> I think it was meg, he said that his initial intention was to leave a memory for someone else to complete his work [13:56] <magicmeg8> True, islwn [13:56] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I do wonder why he would make a Muggle Diary his Horcrux [13:56] <unlvgrl328> Think what? I was just agreeing that it was the same year as Grindelwald [13:56] <Islwyn13> yes, Greg [13:56] <GregoryTheSmarmy> he likes his trophies, after all... [13:57] <dillypoo> i wonder if vauxhall road will come into play [13:57] <harryfreak359> good point gregory [13:57] <magicmeg8> Ah, ok, unlvgrl. [13:57] <GregoryTheSmarmy> me too dilly [13:57] <x0ginnyW0x> I see LV as a person to keep his emotions bottled up [13:57] <GregoryTheSmarmy> though maybe not [13:57] <Mokey> but that brings the question, was the diary initially just instructions and memories, and did it only become interactive after it became a horcrux [13:57] <x0ginnyW0x> not one to let loose [13:57] <Mokey> it seems to me he didn't have this planned to well [13:57] <unlvgrl328> I think it was important because it contained memories of opening the Chamber and getting away with it [13:57] <leakylurker> People often record emotions in diaries, nut just events [13:57] <magicmeg8> I can see that ginny, but perhaps he did write in it -- he was just secretive about it. [13:57] <x0ginnyW0x> Like we discussed earlier, I think it gets more life with a soul in it [13:57] <harryfreak359> yeah leaky [13:57] <x0ginnyW0x> Maybe Meg [13:57] <leakylurker> Maybe he uses it to mock emoitonal people [13:57] <Aislinn> I think his original plan was for it to enchant someone to open the chamber, and it gained the ability to possess after it became a Horcrux [13:57] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree Ginny [13:58] <dillypoo> mokey, it's possible it was interactive after the initial enchantment and storage of memory, and the horcrxu came later [13:58] <harryfreak359> i think so too aislinn [13:58] <unlvgrl328> I agree Aislinn [13:58] <Islwyn13> My husband suggested LV may have used a diary as a sounding board... [13:58] <Mokey> that's an interesting point leakylurker, but I wonder if Tom would be so forthcoming with emotions [13:58] <x0ginnyW0x> Sounding Board? [13:58] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I haven't thought of it like that before Ais, but I think that makes sense [13:58] <Islwyn13> you know, when we are trying to work something out, we will bandy ideas with a friend [13:58] *** Aisling left #lounge [] [13:58] <Mokey> good point dillypoo [13:58] <harryfreak359> hmm... [13:58] <Islwyn13> but LV doesn't have friends [13:58] <Islwyn13> so he may have kept a diary to help organize his thoughts [13:58] <leakylurker> Well I don't think HE really wrote in it himself, just used is as a tool to trap someone else [13:58] <harryfreak359> so he used th diary [13:58] <dillypoo> lv has no friends...even imaginary ones or memory nes [13:58] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I agree lurker [13:59] <Islwyn13> He may have, yes, harryfreak [13:59] <harryfreak359> that's a good point islwyn [13:59] <Aislinn> I got the impression he created it as a tool, didn't really use it as most use a diary [13:59] <unlvgrl328> He had followers though didn't he [13:59] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree LeakyLurker [13:59] <Islwyn13> but why did he buy it in the first place? [13:59] <Mokey> well DD says he uses trophys as horcruxes and what better trophy than one that records his 5 year exploit of opening hte chamber? [13:59] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree Ais [13:59] <x0ginnyW0x> To use as a tool [13:59] <Islwyn13> I doubt he went to a muggle store to buy a diary, because he was already planning on bewitching it [13:59] <GregoryTheSmarmy> hmmmm interesting Mokey... [13:59] * harryfreak359 is starving will come back after raiding the fridge ;) [14:00] <x0ginnyW0x> I'm sure wizard stores have plain diaries [14:00] <GregoryTheSmarmy> lol harryfreak -- enjoy! [14:00] <Islwyn13> why would they? [14:00] <dillypoo> thought: if lv creates the horcruxes and hides them, he doesn't think about them anymore...if the diary horcrux had two purposes, did he mean for it actually do what it did? try to become a live again [14:00] <x0ginnyW0x> Ron didn't make a big deal about the fact that a diary was a muggle object [14:00] <Trozam> Wasn't the diary labled as coming from Vauxhall Road, though?\ [14:00] <leakylurker> Maybe he received it at the orphanage as a gift- maybe somene thought it might "help" him deal with his anger- but he thought it was a joke! [14:00] <unlvgrl328> Since he isolated himself, he needed an outlet to put down his thoughts [14:00] <dillypoo> not sure where i'm going with this... [14:00] <Islwyn13> besides, it has the name of a muggle road on it...like Trozam said as I was typing this smile [14:00] <GregoryTheSmarmy> but wizard stores in vauxhall road..? [14:00] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [14:00] <Islwyn13> right, unlvgrl [14:01] <unlvgrl328> It was a muggle store. Harry said so didn't he? [14:01] <Islwyn13> yep [14:01] <dillypoo> but, did memory tom take over and decide to try and come back to life, which was n ot the original intent of lv? [14:01] <gryffindelle> brb, need food [14:01] <x0ginnyW0x> Is Vauxhall Road a real place....?? [14:01] <magicmeg8> It is [14:01] <Islwyn13> probably, why do yo uask? [14:01] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah, in London... I wonder if it has any interesting connections? [14:02] <Islwyn13> someone google Vauxhall! lol [14:02] * harryfreak359 is back and with chocolate! [14:02] <Islwyn13> OO, harryfreak! Share! smile [14:02] <unlvgrl328> Maybe he realized that he could suck the life out of Ginny. I am sure she mentioned how Harry defeated LV and since Tom [14:02] <harryfreak359> of course [14:02] <unlvgrl328> started using the name LV at Hogwarts, figured he could come back. [14:02] <Aislinn> he, meaning diarymort, unlv? [14:02] <unlvgrl328> yes [14:02] <dillypoo> unlv, would that mean the diary then took on a life of its own...it began to think for itself [14:03] <dillypoo> dangerous thing for a horcrux... [14:03] <harryfreak359> i think it did [14:03] <Islwyn13> because, at that point, it was a horcrux [14:03] <unlvgrl328> Yes b/c I had memories and part of a soul [14:03] <Islwyn13> agreed, harryfreak [14:03] <GregoryTheSmarmy> that's interesting.. [14:03] <harryfreak359> it is kind of similiar to the one ring in LOTR [14:03] <leakylurker> scarey [14:03] <Islwyn13> without the soul, I don't thin kit would have done taht [14:03] <dillypoo> if wonder if lv intended the diary to think for itself...serious lack of control over his own soul [14:03] <dillypoo> and lv is a wee bit of a control freak [14:03] <x0ginnyW0x> LV bought his diary at a news agent on Vauxhall Road, according to the LExicon [14:04] <harryfreak359> yeah, but all the good dark lords are ;) [14:04] <leakylurker> ha dilly poo- maybe the other horcruxes will rise up against him! smile [14:04] <harryfreak359> that would be funny [14:04] <harryfreak359> lol [14:04] <Islwyn13> LV was also VERY upset when he found out that Lucius has squandered his horcrux, to the horcrux's destruction [14:04] <x0ginnyW0x> the newsagent was also reffered to as a newstand and a variety store in other editions [14:04] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [14:04] <dillypoo> just dip all of the horcruxes in a love potion so they can swoon over themselves [14:04] <Belenzie> lol [14:04] <Islwyn13> maybe young Tom didn't care if the horcrux was destroyed, but adult LV has learned to value them a bit more [14:04] <Aislinn> its interesting that he chose a muggle item as his first horcrux [14:05] <Mokey> I wonder why he would buy a muggle diary, and not [14:05] <harryfreak359> lol [14:05] <Aislinn> does that have any significance? [14:05] <unlvgrl328> Yeah he was mad. [14:05] <x0ginnyW0x> He killed his muggle father and used a muggle object [14:05] <dillypoo> intersting thought, islwyn [14:05] <harryfreak359> hmm [14:05] <Islwyn13> I think he may have used it because it wasn't as important to him as the ring, and if he failed in making his first horcrux, the ring wouldn't be damanged [14:05] <unlvgrl328> Maybe b/c he is a half blood and nobody would suspect a muggle diary [14:05] <Aislinn> that's a good thought, Isl [14:05] <Islwyn13> of course, adult LV did give the diary to Lucius, with the intent of setting it loose on HOgwarts... [14:05] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree Isl, a practice horcrux [14:05] <magicmeg8> I think it could, Ais. He could be just getting back at Muggles. However, he also could have found a cheap diary on Vauxhall Road or something [14:06] <Islwyn13> So maybe adult LV didn't care as much as I thought [14:06] <Belenzie> a diary is symbolic- in a diary a person pours their heart ans SOUL into it and so tom found a diary appropiate for a horcrux [14:06] <Mokey> possibly he wanted to make his own enchantments? buying a magic diary might make him reliant on another's magic, [14:06] <dillypoo> so which came first, the memory enchantment or the horcrux? i seriously doubt that they happened at the same time [14:06] <Mokey> it might have been easier for him to start with a clean slate [14:06] <harryfreak359> memmory enchantment [14:06] *** artlady has joined #lounge [14:06] <x0ginnyW0x> The memory enchantment [14:06] <harryfreak359> or at least i think [14:06] <Mokey> I agree harryfreak [14:06] <Aislinn> I think the enchantment came first [14:06] <harryfreak359> it seems more practical [14:06] <magicmeg8> Good point, Mokey -- Yeah, I can't see him buying a already enchanted diary. [14:06] <GregoryTheSmarmy> wow, I like that Mokes [14:06] <harryfreak359> and i think that is why he actually used that diary as a horcrux [14:06] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah, he'd want to do it from scratch [14:07] <GregoryTheSmarmy> (Hello artlady!) [14:07] <artlady> Hello! [14:07] <Mokey> hi artlady! [14:07] <harryfreak359> hey there! [14:07] <dillypoo> but that still means that lv made an already enchanted object a horcrux, rather than trying that particular tricky bit of magic on something not yet magical [14:07] <magicmeg8> Hey artlady -- we're discussing why Riddle chose a muggle object as his first horcrux [14:07] <dillypoo> for the first one [14:07] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah, if we assume he only made it a horcrux later [14:07] <Trozam> But why would Voldemort doubt his ability to do it? [14:08] <Aislinn> true, dilly [14:08] <dillypoo> idaknow...when i'm trying a new recipe, i follow it exactly the first time before i make any change it to it [14:08] <harryfreak359> i can't believe we are already more than half way through with this chat [14:08] <GregoryTheSmarmy> oh good point Trozam... he doesn think pretty highly of hiself, that moron... tongue [14:08] <Mokey> but the things he makes horcruxes are magically significant, and this was probably very significant to him because it was his own magic, maybe [14:08] <magicmeg8> Me either, Harryfreak smile. [14:08] *** unlvgrl328 has quit [Bye] [14:08] <Aislinn> that's a good point, mokey [14:08] <magicmeg8> I can definitely agree with that mokey -- he'd be proud of his own magic [14:08] <Trozam> After all, before he even knew how to make a horcrux, he had planned on making six, more than anyone before him. [14:08] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah [14:08] <harryfreak359> did you just call LV a moron Gregory? [14:09] <x0ginnyW0x> Excellent point Mokey [14:09] <GregoryTheSmarmy> umm.... [14:09] <harryfreak359> or did i misread? [14:09] <GregoryTheSmarmy> well... [14:09] <x0ginnyW0x> LOL! [14:09] <Aislinn> lol [14:09] <Mokey> hehe! [14:09] <GregoryTheSmarmy> Don't you think he's a bit of a moron? [14:09] <harryfreak359> NOT AT ALL! [14:09] <x0ginnyW0x> I think he a bit more than a bit of a moron [14:09] <dillypoo> egotistical, self-centered, amoral moron! [14:09] <GregoryTheSmarmy> LOL Ginny [14:09] <Mokey> I agree Greggy, he's got that whole hubris thing, he doesn't think he CAN make mistakes, so he makes loads [14:09] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah! [14:09] <artlady> I can see tom sitting around in his room just parcticing on different stuff, and this was the first thing that worked. [14:09] <x0ginnyW0x> I mean what kind of idiot get his butt kicked by an 11 year old? [14:09] <Aislinn> yes - hubris fits him exactly [14:10] <magicmeg8> He's definitely very ambtitious. [14:10] <GregoryTheSmarmy> exactly! [14:10] <Mokey> lol ginny [14:10] <Trozam> And a one year old! [14:10] <GregoryTheSmarmy> lmao [14:10] <Mokey> hehe [14:10] <x0ginnyW0x> And a one year old! [14:10] <artlady> how humiliating [14:10] <Islwyn13> Yep, Gregory, LV is a moron in a number of ways... [14:10] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah! woot! [14:10] <x0ginnyW0x> So much for the most powerful wizard of all kind,,, [14:10] <harryfreak359> no way! [14:10] <Trozam> The self proclaimed one? [14:10] <x0ginnyW0x> The baby took that title away from him [14:10] <x0ginnyW0x> .....what a moron, in Smarmy's words [14:11] <Islwyn13> well, the baby's mother did, anyway [14:11] <GregoryTheSmarmy> heeh [14:11] <dillypoo> no wonder diary tom was curious about harry...maybe that's when it's ability to think for itself started to exceed it's supposed purpose for doing so [14:11] <harryfreak359> Of course i am the girl who like all of the dark lords [14:11] <Aislinn> So, if he originally just wanted to use the diary to open the chamber, do you think his goal changed once he made it a horcrux? [14:11] <Islwyn13> not according to DD [14:11] *** Sejo_Apex has quit [Bye] [14:11] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I think his goal only changed when Ginny told him about Harry [14:11] <x0ginnyW0x> no I don't think so [14:11] <Islwyn13> Dd thinks LV gave the diary to Lucius for the purpose of reopening the CoS [14:11] <Islwyn13> but was defeated before giving the final order to Lucius [14:11] <x0ginnyW0x> I think making it a horcrux was just to make the memory have life [14:12] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [14:12] <x0ginnyW0x> and to experiment with Horcruxes [14:12] <Mokey> I think once he made it a horcrux, he didn't have to be as choosy about who took the diary [14:12] <Mokey> because instead of instructing a willing follower, he could possess anyone [14:12] <artlady> what an involved plan! [14:12] <Islwyn13> I think he felt that he was about to murder the boy of the prophecy...his last real opponent... [14:12] <Islwyn13> making him feel rather invincible [14:12] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah isl [14:13] <Aislinn> I wonder what he thought would happen to it after the chamber was opened [14:13] <x0ginnyW0x> brb guys, I'm gonna get some ice cream [14:13] <dillypoo> i've got to run... [14:13] <Islwyn13> still foolish of him to entrust a horcrux to Lucius [14:13] <harryfreak359> yeah isl, i would probably do that too if i were him [14:13] <dillypoo> bye! [14:13] <Aislinn> the diary I mean [14:13] <harryfreak359> bye dilly [14:13] <Islwyn13> later, Dilly! [14:13] <Aislinn> bye dilly [14:13] <Mokey> see ya ginny, bye dilly! [14:13] *** dillypoo has quit [Bye] [14:13] <harryfreak359> I agree isl [14:13] <GregoryTheSmarmy> to the diary... hmm... I guess he must have realized it would be "found out" eventually.. He can't be that thick, can he? [14:13] <magicmeg8> What sort of tactics did the Diary use to ensare Ginny? [14:14] *** misssnape has joined #lounge [14:14] <Islwyn13> maybe he thought it couldn't be destroyed...kind of like Percy's "It wont' attack me, I'm a PREFECT" nonsense [14:14] <harryfreak359> I can't understand why LV would trust anyone with that diary, we doesn't seem very trusting to me [14:14] <x0ginnyW0x> Okay back [14:14] <harryfreak359> he* [14:14] <Islwyn13> first, the diary pretended to understand her [14:14] <Islwyn13> to be a friend, support her, listen to her [14:14] <GregoryTheSmarmy> wow that was fast Ginny [14:14] <Islwyn13> making her write more and more into it [14:14] <Aislinn> if it had successfully opened the chamber and finished its task, I suppose LV thought he could come and collect it [14:14] <Islwyn13> pouring more of her soul into it [14:14] <x0ginnyW0x> Well I make sure I have immeadeate access to Ice Cream at all times Smarmy biggrin [14:14] <GregoryTheSmarmy> good going! [14:14] <magicmeg8> Very true, islwyn [14:14] <misssnape> hi [14:14] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I want that too... [14:15] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [14:15] <GregoryTheSmarmy> hello misssnape [14:15] <harryfreak359> are sharing the ice cream ginny? [14:15] <Mokey> the thing that bothers me about Ginny was once he started taking he soul, and she got rid of the diary, was she still drained of soul, and how did it ensnare her a second time? [14:15] <Aislinn> having something that understands her in this new and unfamiliar environment would have been very appealing [14:15] <Islwyn13> that's true, harryfreak...plays back into his being cavalier at this point [14:15] <x0ginnyW0x> If I could I would HarryFreak [14:15] <magicmeg8> Hi missnape, we're discussing how the diary ensnared ginny [14:15] <Aislinn> good question, mokey [14:15] <Mokey> I just can't think she was stupid enough to write in it again [14:15] <Islwyn13> I truly think he gave it to Lucius when he was feeling on top of the world...after all, a 1 year old couldn't possible thwart him, could he? [14:15] <Aislinn> it seems like she must have been though [14:15] <GregoryTheSmarmy> well, Ginny panicked when she saw that Harry had it, so when she got it I suppose she wrote in it again... [14:15] <Islwyn13> Harry was as good as dead in his mind [14:15] <misssnape> ok thanks i was a bit confussed then thanks [14:15] <x0ginnyW0x> Well its like those girls who talk to those creepy guys on Myspace [14:16] <harryfreak359> yeah isl [14:16] <x0ginnyW0x> they are drawn in [14:16] <Aislinn> which is one of the reasons I think it had enchantments on it that drew people into writing in it [14:16] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny [14:16] <Mokey> I think it would have been very appealing from the onset too, Aislinn, especially since she had no friends [14:16] <Islwyn13> why would she write in it again? [14:16] <Islwyn13> she threw it in the toilet becuase it terrified her! [14:16] <magicmeg8> Perhaps it didn't start talking back to her for a little while. [14:16] <Aislinn> right mokey [14:16] <Mokey> that's what bothers me Islwyn [14:16] <x0ginnyW0x> Somebody should search for Lord Voldemort on myspace.... [14:16] <GregoryTheSmarmy> to ask Tom what he'd told Harry of her secrets? [14:16] <harryfreak359> she got scared that harry heard her secrets [14:16] <Islwyn13> she had these periods of missing time, and she knew the diary had something to do with it [14:16] <Islwyn13> I dont' think that was her primary concern [14:17] <Mokey> oh good point Greggy! [14:17] <Islwyn13> She believed she might have something to do with opening the CoS because of the diary... [14:17] <harryfreak359> well she ahd a crush on Harry [14:17] <Islwyn13> I think that would have outweighed any concerns that harry was learning somethign about her [14:17] <magicmeg8> I could see the diary threatening her, and as we learn from Ron, some books can be very dangerous. [14:17] <Mokey> I think she knew at that point though that the crush was nothing compared to what was going on [14:17] <GregoryTheSmarmy> If I was 12 years old and I'd poured my heart out to an interactive diary, I wouldn't want the objection of my affection to get access to it... [14:17] <harryfreak359> maybe she was worried harry would find out even tho it was pretty obvious [14:17] <Islwyn13> yeah, but people being petrified...Harry might learn I like him...people being petrified... [14:17] <x0ginnyW0x> mmm Yeah [14:17] <Islwyn13> the whole petrification thing would dominate my thinking I think [14:17] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree Gregory [14:17] <GregoryTheSmarmy> I's be scared Tom spilled the beans to Harry about Ginny's feelings [14:18] <Islwyn13> even at 11 years old smile [14:18] <x0ginnyW0x> hahaha [14:18] <Islwyn13> I really don't think she wrote in it again [14:18] <x0ginnyW0x> Tomato Tomahto [14:18] *** x0ginnyW0x has quit [Bye] [14:18] <Mokey> I think maybe she was more concerned Tom spilled the beans about her setting the basilisk [14:18] *** x0ginnyW0x has joined #lounge [14:18] <Islwyn13> she linked it to the CoS, which is terrifying [14:18] <harryfreak359> hmm [14:18] <misssnape> also maybe she has somethinh elses to hide from harry [14:18] <Aislinn> but then how did it repossess her, Isl? [14:18] <Islwyn13> Well, that's a point, Mokey... [14:18] <GregoryTheSmarmy> oh yeah, that too Mokes [14:19] <x0ginnyW0x> Sorry I lost connection there [14:19] *** x0ginnyW0x has quit [Bye] [14:19] <Mokey> Islwn, if she didn't how do you think he got hold of her the second time? [14:19] <magicmeg8> I still think it threatened Ginny. [14:19] *** x0ginnyW0x has joined #lounge [14:19] <artlady> I wonder why she didn't freak out the first time it wrote back to her and tell someone then? [14:19] <Islwyn13> current theory is that she had already poured so much of herself into it, making it easier for it to possess her [14:19] <harryfreak359> that could be it mokey [14:19] <Islwyn13> jsut by her being in possession of it again [14:19] *** x0ginnyW0x has quit [Bye] [14:19] <Islwyn13> because it was telling her what she wanted to hear, artlady [14:19] <Aislinn> I think she wrote in it again, questioning what was going on [14:19] *** x0ginnyW0x has joined #lounge [14:19] <magicmeg8> I could see talking diary's being something of a normal occurrence in the wizarding world, though [14:19] <x0ginnyW0x> Can you guys see this? [14:19] <GregoryTheSmarmy> yeah, what islwyn said smile [14:19] <Islwyn13> I'm sure it startled her at first, but then fascinated her [14:19] <harryfreak359> yeah i agree asilinn [14:19] *** misssnape has quit [Bye] [14:19] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:19] <magicmeg8> yes, ginny [14:19] <Aislinn> yes, ginny [14:20] <harryfreak359> ginny i see [14:20] <x0ginnyW0x> Thanks, I lost connection there for a second [14:20] <artlady> I suppose, Isl [14:20] <x0ginnyW0x> and nothing I typed showed up [14:20] <harryfreak359> that happened to me a few times [14:20] <harryfreak359> actually a bunch of times [14:20] <Mokey> sorry ginny, welcome back [14:20] <x0ginnyW0x> Thanks! [14:20] *** misssnape has joined #lounge [14:20] <x0ginnyW0x> Hi Miss Snape! This post has been edited by magicmeg8: Jul 8 2006, 03:05 PM -------------------- |
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[14:21] <Islwyn13> I don't think the diary could possess Ginny immediately...it didn't possess Harry...
[14:21] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:21] <misssnape> hi again [14:21] <Islwyn13> she wrote so much in it, it had a stronger power over her [14:21] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:21] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [14:21] <Aislinn> it seemed to be a gradual sharing of souls, through the writing back and forth [14:21] <x0ginnyW0x> She poured too much of herself in it [14:21] <Islwyn13> I just can't see her writing in it again, since she suspected it was possessing her somehow [14:21] <Islwyn13> right, Ais, that's what I think [14:21] <x0ginnyW0x> Do you think the Diary's ability to possess people is a separate thing from the memory or the horcrux? [14:21] <magicmeg8> Concerning "possession," how do we see the diary manipulating its readers? [14:22] <gryffindelle> making them trust it [14:22] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:22] <Islwyn13> I think it's...oo, actually...let me think... [14:22] <misssnape> so do they talk about anything eles of harry on here or is it just this subject [14:22] <x0ginnyW0x> I see it as her pouring herself into it, as he wrote back and there was a relationship, and then MemoryMort had control [14:22] <Aislinn> its interesting that it seems to be different in the way that it draws Harry in, and the way it draws ginny in [14:22] <magicmeg8> Today is a reading group chat, so we're only discussing Tom Riddle's diary today. [14:22] <Belenzie> new topic evry week miss [14:22] <Islwyn13> I think originally, the diary was to persuade the reader to open the CoS... [14:23] <Islwyn13> no taht wouldn't work, they'd have to be able to speak Parceltongue... [14:23] <Islwyn13> so the original idea for the diary had to be possession, so it would be the memory aspect of teh diary that possessed, not teh horcrux portion, right? [14:23] <misssnape> ok as im totaly lost i think i ll come back when i have found myself sorry people [14:23] <magicmeg8> Well, but Ginny could speak parseltongue with the help of the Diary [14:23] <GregoryTheSmarmy> right, and Ginny could only speak that because Riddle was possessing her [14:23] <harryfreak359> i agree isl [14:23] <Mokey> perhaps tom realized that mistake [14:23] <x0ginnyW0x> I think the opening of the chamber would have been done by Tom Riddle who fed life of off GInny [14:23] *** TheGuruOfSloth has joined #lounge [14:23] <x0ginnyW0x> By possesion [14:23] <GregoryTheSmarmy> good thinking isl [14:24] <Aislinn> hi guru! [14:24] <x0ginnyW0x> Hello Guru! [14:24] <harryfreak359> hey guru\ [14:24] <GregoryTheSmarmy> hey Slothe [14:24] <Mokey> hi Guru! [14:24] <Islwyn13> but the Horcrux part gave that possessing memory life [14:24] <misssnape> bye [14:24] <magicmeg8> Hey Guru! we're talking about how Riddle's diary manipulates people [14:24] <TheGuruOfSloth> hi all [14:24] <gryffindelle> hi [14:24] <Islwyn13> no longer just regurgitation , but thinking for itself [14:24] <Islwyn13> hence the reason that it gave up on killing mud-bloods and went after Harry [14:24] *** misssnape has quit [Bye] [14:24] <harryfreak359> yeah isl [14:24] <TheGuruOfSloth> great, i'll watch a little and try to join in the flow [14:24] *** misssnape has joined #lounge [14:24] <Islwyn13> the original diary memory probably wouldn't have done that, since 16-yr-old Tom didn't know Harry existed [14:25] <Islwyn13> cause he didn't smile [14:25] <harryfreak359> how did the diary know anything pass the when it was made [14:25] <Islwyn13> from Ginny [14:25] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge [14:25] <Islwyn13> She told diary riddle about HArry [14:25] <x0ginnyW0x> Ginny filled him in [14:25] <artlady> tsk--that ginny! [14:25] <harryfreak359> right forgot about that [14:25] <Islwyn13> how his eyes were like a fresh pickled toad smile [14:25] *** misssnape has quit [Bye] [14:25] <gryffindelle> the horcrux soul is still sort of a part of him? [14:25] <Mokey> I'm curious how much information Riddle learned about himself from Ginny [14:26] <harryfreak359> lol isl [14:26] <Aislinn> he learned that he was vanquished by Harry [14:26] <Islwyn13> nope, not anymore...he didn't realize that that part of his soul had been destroyed until Lucius told him [14:26] <x0ginnyW0x> I think he lured alot of info out of her [14:26] *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge [14:26] <Islwyn13> if it were a part of LV, he would have felt it, I would think [14:26] <gryffindelle> oh [14:26] <x0ginnyW0x> It was easy to get Ginny to talk about harry too [14:26] <x0ginnyW0x> considering the little crush she had [14:26] <Islwyn13> lol, quite, Ginny smile [14:26] <gryffindelle> yup [14:26] <magicmeg8> Well, i think it's thought that the more horcruxes he has, the lses he can feel them, so I don' tknow if he would have learned much [14:26] <Aislinn> I don't think that LV learned anything from the diarymort, as it was destroyed before he even got his body back [14:26] <Islwyn13> right, tiny, insignificant crush...probably won't play out ;) [14:27] <artlady> do you think Lucius ever wrote in it? [14:27] <harryfreak359> right aislinn [14:27] <Aislinn> and I agree meg, that he doesn't feel them [14:27] <x0ginnyW0x> Of course not Isl1 [14:27] <wronskifeint> Thats a good point [14:27] <Islwyn13> no, I doubt it, ARtlady... [14:27] <Islwyn13> he was let in on some of the diary's secrets [14:27] <gryffindelle> i doubt it [14:27] <wronskifeint> Really? [14:27] <wronskifeint> How much did Lucius know about it? [14:27] <Islwyn13> and he would know better than to trust an item "that can think for itself, but you can't see it's brain" [14:27] <gryffindelle> brb [14:27] <artlady> Ha! [14:27] <Islwyn13> He knew what LV told him, which was that it would reopen the CoS... [14:28] <wronskifeint> Oh yeah... [14:28] <Islwyn13> and probalby how it would do that...by getting someone to write in it [14:28] <harryfreak359> I think Lucius knew it could open the Chamber, but i don't think he knew it was a horcrux [14:28] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has joined #lounge [14:28] <x0ginnyW0x> I agree HarryFreak [14:28] <harryfreak359> or he wouldn't have let it go so easily [14:28] <Islwyn13> right, cause then he would have known that LV could come back [14:28] <Islwyn13> not many people even know ABOUT horcruxes, let alone that LV MADE some [14:28] <harryfreak359> yeah and probably would have rushed to his side [14:28] <wronskifeint> Yeah. [14:28] <harryfreak359> or not [14:29] <harryfreak359> I think lucius is a bit of a coward [14:29] <GregoryTheSmarmy> why? [14:29] <x0ginnyW0x> I think that all the DEs are cowards [14:29] <artlady> ...or destroyed them themselves to sieze power [14:29] <gryffindelle> me too [14:29] <Islwyn13> Bella's too crazy to be a coward smile [14:29] <wronskifeint> he didn't support LV when he was defeated by Harry [14:29] <gryffindelle> they just joined for protection [14:29] <Mokey> lol Islwyn [14:29] <wronskifeint> so he's a bit cowardly [14:29] <Islwyn13> None of them did, they thought he was gone for good [14:29] <harryfreak359> because he blended back in with the society [14:29] <Islwyn13> most of them, rather [14:29] <Mokey> I think Lucius is very much a follower, which sort of makes him a coward [14:30] <x0ginnyW0x> Bella is freaking nuts [14:30] <wronskifeint> Bella, and husband (shoot me, I forgot his name) [14:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> yeh deep down he's weak and scared of LV I think many support the idea but are scared to help [14:30] <Islwyn13> Not all followers are cowards, I donp't think... [14:30] <Trozam> Rudolfus [14:30] <wronskifeint> thanks. [14:30] <harryfreak359> now if i was a death eater i would have conitnued my job without Voldy [14:30] <gryffindelle> he didn't have the courage to speak up [14:30] <magicmeg8> Harry destroyed the diary with the Basilisk's fang. Why would this simply act destroy a Horcrux? What does this say about the other Horcruxes? [14:30] <harryfreak359> actually I would have taken over... [14:30] <Islwyn13> Karkaroff was a coward, he fled...but the others returned to LV, even though they were afraid of his wrath [14:30] <Islwyn13> that's a kind of courage, isn't it? [14:30] <harryfreak359> some bravery [14:30] <wronskifeint> The basilisk had poisin in it's fang [14:31] <gryffindelle> maybe it was easier, since he didn't know it was a horcrux [14:31] <Islwyn13> again, since it was his first horcrux, and he didn't protect it, it was easier to destroy. [14:31] <harryfreak359> they can be destroyed [14:31] <x0ginnyW0x> I think Harry was able to destroy that Horcrux so simply because it was meant to be accessible, but the others won't be nearly as easy, as shown in HBP [14:31] <magicmeg8> Hmm. Good point, gryffindelle [14:31] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> It was his first one and therefoe simple and the others are probably more advanced as the were made [14:31] <wronskifeint> Yeah... like, if he speared it with a dog's tooth or something it woudln't be destroyed. [14:31] <Islwyn13> the ring, on the other hand, was protected and hidden, much more difficult to destroy (hence DD's hand) [14:31] <x0ginnyW0x> I mean looking for Horcruxes killed Dumbledore [14:31] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny [14:31] <wronskifeint> I think th poison has something to do with it. [14:31] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:31] <harryfreak359> perhaps [14:31] <Mokey> I wonder if Harry would have been able to destroy the diary with the sword [14:32] <artlady> me too mokey [14:32] <Aislinn> I wonder if some of the powers that Harry got from LV make him more suited/protected in destroying Horcruxes than DD [14:32] <Islwyn13> Well, either that or Snape did, that's still open for debate smile [14:32] <harryfreak359> me too [14:32] <wronskifeint> Maybe. [14:32] <gryffindelle> good thought aislinn [14:32] <Aislinn> like maybe he wouldn't have sustained the same damage if he had destroyed the ring [14:32] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> ohhh I don't but I ne ver thought of that MOkey [14:32] <Islwyn13> Oo, maybe that has to do with the gleam of triumph! [14:32] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [14:32] <magicmeg8> Yeah, i'm not sure, Mokey -- i suppose with the fang the poison would have reached all areas of the diary [14:32] <Islwyn13> just a thought smile [14:32] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:32] <Mokey> that's interesting Aislinn [14:32] <wronskifeint> POISON POISON POISON [14:32] <harryfreak359> lol [14:32] <gryffindelle> interesting Islwyn [14:33] <gryffindelle> and aislinn [14:33] <wronskifeint> ya [14:33] <Mokey> that brings the question, are the horcruxes themselves hazardous to destroy or is it there protection [14:33] <harryfreak359> i agree though wronksi [14:33] <x0ginnyW0x> hhmm maybe poison had something to do with it, what do you tihnk Wronski? [14:33] <Islwyn13> but I still think the diary jsut wasn't as protected [14:33] <wronskifeint> totally lol [14:33] <magicmeg8> I think that's a good point, Aislinn -- that Harry is more suited to find the horcruxes [14:33] <Islwyn13> gotta be their protection, doesn't it? [14:33] <Islwyn13> or the horcrux would have hurt Harry, but it didn't [14:33] <harryfreak359> it definitely wasn't protected as much [14:33] <Mokey> I imagine that the basilisk was this horcruxes protection, and harry's connection with LV helped him get past that [14:33] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:33] <Aislinn> that's very possible, given its nature as an object to be used, Isl [14:33] <magicmeg8> That's a fair point, Islwyn -- it's not as if it was guarded and in the middle of a lake. [14:34] <harryfreak359> yeah meg [14:34] <Islwyn13> hehe, right, mag smile [14:34] <Aislinn> that's an interesting way of looking at it mokey [14:34] <Mokey> true islwyn, but did it not hurt Harry because he is like LV, or because the horcrux doesn't hurt and only the protection [14:34] <artlady> I wonder if a good deal of the last bo0k will involve figuring out how to destroy the horcruxes [14:34] <Islwyn13> I mean, if you've got 4 other horcruxes, you can be cavalier with just the one, can't you? [14:34] <wronskifeint> If the basilisk was the protection, and it was destroyed... yeah... cuz DD had to go through the protections of the horcrux also [14:34] <harryfreak359> i wouldn't be [14:34] <magicmeg8> Yeah. I agree - i think it was definitely ironic, but yeah, it could totally have hurt the horcrux more severely, using its own protection against it [14:35] <Islwyn13> the basilisk wasn't protecting the diary when Lucius had it in his manor, though [14:35] <wronskifeint> yeah... [14:35] <Islwyn13> yeah, but LV is a moron smile [14:35] <gryffindelle> yup [14:35] <harryfreak359> i still disagree with that [14:35] <wronskifeint> No, Lucius wouldn't put much protection on it if he didn't know it was a horcrux [14:35] <Islwyn13> How so, harryfreak? [14:35] <harryfreak359> he can be idiotic at times maybe [14:35] <harryfreak359> but [14:35] <Islwyn13> he underestimates his enemies, to his detriment [14:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> yes if he didn't know who cares about some book [14:36] <harryfreak359> if LV was a moron, he wouldn't have feared DD [14:36] *** wronskifeint left #lounge [] [14:36] <Islwyn13> you can be a moron about some things, and not others [14:36] <harryfreak359> he knows what he is foing [14:36] <artlady> good point , harryfreak [14:36] <harryfreak359> doing* [14:36] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:36] <Islwyn13> he attacked Harry, not remembering the ancient magic of protection from his mother [14:36] <Islwyn13> and he was almost destroyed... [14:36] <Islwyn13> he entrusted his diary to Lucius, who squandered it [14:37] <harryfreak359> but he had already made his horcuxes [14:37] <harryfreak359> he knew he couldn't die [14:37] <artlady> of course, he was spending all his time in the dark arts [14:37] <Islwyn13> yes, but he says himself that he should have foreseen the protection his mother's death gave him [14:37] <Islwyn13> it had to do with Love, so he forgot about it [14:37] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has quit [Bye] [14:37] <harryfreak359> yes so he he can be forgetful [14:37] <artlady> probably forgot what he learned about the good magic, like me and algebra [14:37] <Islwyn13> about something like that?! [14:38] <harryfreak359> would you called DD a moron? [14:38] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [14:38] <Islwyn13> I think taht's moronic! smile [14:38] <Mokey> he didn't even remember Pheonix tears had ehaling powers! [14:38] *** georgia has joined #lounge [14:38] <Islwyn13> DD is able to admit he can make a mistake [14:38] <Mokey> that spells mornon to me [14:38] <Aislinn> that is his fatal flaw - doesn't understand that type of magic, so always underestimates it [14:38] <harryfreak359> so did LV [14:38] <artlady> Hey, Cloudpic! Notice the spelling? [14:38] <Mokey> to think a phoenix is just a songbird [14:38] *** michelle_2007 has joined #lounge [14:38] <x0ginnyW0x> Except moron is spelled m-o-r-o-n Mokey biggrin [14:38] <Mokey> I agree Aislinn [14:38] <Islwyn13> LV's confidence in himself and his powers makes him overlook those things that can destroy him...and he does so repeatedly [14:38] <cloudpic> Hey, Artlady!! You're here [14:39] <artlady> ..and I'm sweating [14:39] <Islwyn13> I guess it depends on your definition of "moron", actually [14:39] <cloudpic> Just read a little [14:39] <harryfreak359> i think DD was a moron [14:39] <x0ginnyW0x> I don't! [14:39] <Islwyn13> I just mean that he's his own worst enemy, because he overlooks critical things [14:39] <Islwyn13> I don't, either! [14:39] <TheGuruOfSloth> hmm, Riddle's not a moron, but he's not careful. he underestimates magic that isn't useful to him [14:39] <Islwyn13> why was DD a moron? [14:39] <cloudpic> Goodness, that's rather an odd judgement, harryfreak359 [14:39] <harryfreak359> he thinks there is good in everyone [14:39] <Aislinn> umm, let's stick to tom and his diary, and leave dumbledore for another time [14:39] <cloudpic> He's written by the person who created him as brilliant [14:40] <cloudpic> Good point, Aislinn [14:40] <Islwyn13> LOL, ok, Aislinn, you're right smile [14:40] <cloudpic> This [14:40] <Islwyn13> maybe we should start a new thread on the forums, "Why DD is a moron" [14:40] <Islwyn13> so I can tear the notion to shreds smile [14:40] <magicmeg8> As we've been talking about, Lucius Malfoy was entrusted with the diary, but was careless about it. What has this done to LV's view of Lucius? [14:40] <harryfreak359> lol [14:40] <GregoryTheSmarmy> lol isl! [14:40] <magicmeg8> What has this done to LV's view of Lucius? Now that Lucius has the destroyed diary back, what has he done with it? [14:40] <harryfreak359> and i can back it up? [14:40] <Islwyn13> (not that I'm opinionated, or anything smile) [14:40] <Islwyn13> absolutely, harryfreak! I'd love to debate it smile [14:40] <gryffindelle> there isnt anything left [14:41] <cloudpic> will sound weird...but I thought that Tom Riddle was slightly vulnerable as a 16 year old diary manipulator [14:41] <gryffindelle> its just a book now [14:41] <Islwyn13> LV was extremely angry with Lucius, according to DD [14:41] <harryfreak359> me too isl [14:41] <Aislinn> not here though [14:41] <harryfreak359> of course aislinn [14:41] *** georgia has quit [Bye] [14:41] *** michelle_2007 has quit [Bye] [14:41] <harryfreak359> i don't like breaking rules [14:42] <artlady> I think it must've put Lucius on LV's bad list [14:42] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:42] <Islwyn13> (thought I think that's interesting too...Dd says taht he was TOLD that LV's anger was terrible to behold... [14:42] <cloudpic> Poor Lucius... that's not a bad list to be on! [14:42] <cloudpic> hehehe [14:42] <artlady> which is good for LV, because he cna hold stuff over his head [14:42] <Aislinn> right, Isl [14:42] <Islwyn13> I think Snape told him...anyway...) [14:42] <magicmeg8> Good point, Islywn [14:42] <harryfreak359> lol cloudpic [14:42] <TheGuruOfSloth> i'd bet that Lucius would hold onto the ruined diary, unless LV asked for it back [14:43] <magicmeg8> Yes, artlady -- it's much more of a bargaining chip now. [14:43] <cloudpic> Why, Guru? [14:43] <Islwyn13> Well, I think Lucius may have been in real danger from LV, if LV didn't already know that most of his DE's doubted his return [14:43] <harryfreak359> and get in very much trouble when handing it back Guru [14:43] <magicmeg8> I can see that Guru -- he's always selling things to Borgin [14:43] <Islwyn13> I think the destroyed diary is gone... [14:43] <TheGuruOfSloth> heh, yeah... but i just think, since it was still associated w/ LV [14:43] <cloudpic> Would Lucius understand what had happened to the diary? [14:43] <harryfreak359> i think LV has it [14:43] <TheGuruOfSloth> he wouldn't want to just throw it away [14:43] <Islwyn13> I think it became worthless after Harry destroyed it [14:43] <magicmeg8> Though perhaps LV asked for it bac? [14:43] <harryfreak359> of Lucius [14:43] <harryfreak359> or* [14:43] <TheGuruOfSloth> i agree, Isl [14:44] <Islwyn13> why would they keep it? [14:44] <TheGuruOfSloth> but it might still have some power or attachment to LV [14:44] <cloudpic> Lucius sentimental?? [14:44] <harryfreak359> i agree to Isl [14:44] <harryfreak359> thats funny [14:44] <Islwyn13> hehe smile [14:44] <artlady> Can you imagine Lucius: sorry, LV, i lost part of your soul.. [14:44] <harryfreak359> ROFL [14:44] <Islwyn13> just because we disagree about LV and DD doesn't mean we disagree about everything smile [14:44] <Aislinn> I don't think he knew it was part of LV's soul, though [14:44] <harryfreak359> if i was LV i would have killed him [14:44] <Islwyn13> LOL, artlady [14:44] <Aislinn> but I think he would have been afraid to just dispose of it [14:44] <Mokey> I don't think he knew either Aislinn [14:45] <harryfreak359> (not that I am evil or anythin) [14:45] <cloudpic> Yeah, I think the hoarcurx stuff was secret from the DE's [14:45] <harryfreak359> me too [14:45] <Aislinn> although he might of, since he thought LV was gone anyway [14:45] <Islwyn13> yeah, Lucuis must ahve been confused by teh amount of rage LV had toward him [14:45] <x0ginnyW0x> Sorry guys, I have to run! [14:45] <Aislinn> bye ginny! [14:45] <harryfreak359> bye ginny [14:45] <Islwyn13> you know, "Dude, it was just a diary, jeesh!" [14:45] <x0ginnyW0x> Been a great chat, really interesting! [14:45] <cloudpic> bye, ginny [14:45] *** x0ginnyW0x has quit [Bye] [14:45] <artlady> lol, isl [14:45] <harryfreak359> lol isl [14:45] <gryffindelle> bye [14:45] <magicmeg8> Does the diary still contain LV's memories, even though it is no longer a Horcrux? [14:45] <cloudpic> bye gryff [14:45] <harryfreak359> no [14:45] <gryffindelle> never mind [14:45] <Islwyn13> no, the ink poured out of it [14:45] <harryfreak359> it was drestroyed completely [14:46] <Islwyn13> when Harry destroyed it [14:46] <cloudpic> Can't read it without the "power" [14:46] <artlady> nah, poison poison poison [14:46] <harryfreak359> lol [14:46] <gryffindelle> no [14:46] <artlady> too crusty [14:46] <cloudpic> Too bad can't harvest basilisk teeth for later hoarcrux destruction [14:46] <Islwyn13> lol [14:46] <Aislinn> I agree that the memories and the soul are all gone from it [14:46] <cloudpic> Hahahha [14:46] <gryffindelle> just keep one in his bookbag [14:46] <harryfreak359> me too aislinn [14:46] <gryffindelle> me too [14:46] <Islwyn13> yeah, next to his bezoar smile [14:46] <harryfreak359> lil cloudpic [14:47] <harryfreak359> lol* [14:47] <artlady> yeah, Harry will need to be packin some heat from here on [14:47] <Islwyn13> so, anyway, i think the diary is out of the picture now [14:47] <cloudpic> Sort of an emergency kit [14:47] <harryfreak359> with the invisibility cloak [14:47] <harryfreak359> of course [14:47] <Islwyn13> then he'll need a toothpick, a rubberband, some chewing gum... [14:47] <harryfreak359> and a sock [14:47] <Islwyn13> you know, so he can make a bomb if he needs to... [14:47] <artlady> Magyver?? [14:47] <cloudpic> Who actually has the diary, I forget [14:47] <Islwyn13> Lucius was the last one seen with it [14:47] <TheGuruOfSloth> Lucius, as far as we know [14:48] <Islwyn13> no, Dobby was [14:48] *** Trozzy has joined #lounge [14:48] <Aislinn> Lucius got it back [14:48] <TheGuruOfSloth> true... [14:48] <cloudpic> Dobby! [14:48] <TheGuruOfSloth> Dobby. [14:48] <cloudpic> oh, Lucius [14:48] <Aislinn> oh right, dobby! [14:48] <Islwyn13> the sock was in teh diary when Lucius gave it to Dobby [14:48] <cloudpic> rats [14:48] <harryfreak359> Dobby? [14:48] <magicmeg8> Wow, only about 15 minutes left, everyone, let's discuss how Harry's experience with the diary might help him in destroying the other Horcruxes in Book 7. [14:48] <Aislinn> so it probably just got thrown away [14:48] <Islwyn13> yep [14:48] <artlady> I thought dobby just took the sock out [14:48] <cloudpic> Oh, right [14:48] <Islwyn13> I'm not sure it will... [14:48] <harryfreak359> He knows how voldemort works [14:48] <Mokey> well one thing I think is that he knows he can do it know [14:48] <gryffindelle> he has experience, i guess [14:48] <TheGuruOfSloth> I think if nothing else, it gives him confidence [14:48] <cloudpic> Can't think Dumbledore would pitch it though - uselful for "study" [14:48] *** Trozzy has quit [Bye] [14:49] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:49] <Mokey> and that gives him confidence [14:49] <Islwyn13> no, Lucius shoved the diary into Dobby's chest when Harry gave it to him, and Dobby discovered the sock [14:49] <Aislinn> he's got to be able to destroy them without having to learn a lot of new stuff - there won't be enough time for that with only one book left [14:49] <harryfreak359> well it is one less horcrux harry has to find [14:49] <artlady> gotcha, isl [14:49] <Islwyn13> true, Ais [14:49] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:49] <cloudpic> good point - we'll need wheelbarrows to cart our books around... [14:49] <Islwyn13> hehe, taht's true, too, harrfreak [14:49] <andythehouseelf> Well I think the diary shows that all horcruxes are different and need to be dealt with in different ways. Of course this comes from his knowledge of DDs experience also. It al;so shows that he can destroy the horcruxes by himself if he has to. [14:49] <andythehouseelf> *also [14:49] <cloudpic> Hope not all as nasty as the rign [14:49] <Islwyn13> but I think each horcrux will be individually protected, with something different on each one [14:50] <cloudpic> ring [14:50] <Islwyn13> given the protection on teh ring and the locket were apparently so different [14:50] <cloudpic> Probably worse as they go along [14:50] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:50] <harryfreak359> probably worse cloudpic [14:50] <Islwyn13> hehe, waht andy said, while I was typing [14:50] <cloudpic> The Diary wasn't too bad [14:50] <Islwyn13> must type faster! [14:50] <gryffindelle> so this was like baby step #1 [14:50] <cloudpic> Ring hurt Dumbledore! [14:50] <harryfreak359> me too [14:50] <harryfreak359> that moron, DD [14:50] <Islwyn13> Well, Harry destroyed the diary alone, but Dumbledore was maimed by destroying one... [14:50] <cloudpic> He was only a kid when he made this one [14:50] <Islwyn13> lol, harryfreak! [14:50] <Islwyn13> later, man, later! [14:50] <cloudpic> Starter Hoarcrux [14:50] <harryfreak359> we don't know that cloudpic [14:51] <cloudpic> OH?? [14:51] <Islwyn13> we're pretty sure, though [14:51] <artlady> horcrux prototype [14:51] <harryfreak359> he may have made it into a horcrux later [14:51] <gryffindelle> I think that as long as he doesn't realize that they're horcruxes, they'll all be as easy to destroy as the diary [14:51] <harryfreak359> lol isl [14:51] <harryfreak359> later it will be! [14:51] <magicmeg8> The transcript of this chat will be available shortly after we finish. It will be posted in our new Corner Booth Forum: http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html [14:51] <cloudpic> But ... he stored his 16 year old self in it... [14:51] <magicmeg8> There is also a poll there where you can vote on next weeks Wize Wizard Chat: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showt...view=getnewpost. Remember to join us tonight for our Scribbulus chat! [14:51] <Islwyn13> why would you think that, gryff? [14:51] <harryfreak359> when is that meg? [14:51] <Islwyn13> it's not like Voo Doo, you have to believe it for it to work... [14:51] <TheGuruOfSloth> was his putting his memory in seperate from making it a horcrux? [14:52] <Aislinn> at 7:00 EST [14:52] <cloudpic> Ahhh... [14:52] <Islwyn13> I think the protections are very real, adn even if you odn't know it's a horcrux, its protections can hurt you [14:52] <harryfreak359> k, thx aislinn [14:52] <gryffindelle> because he wasn't aware that the diary was a horcrux, and I think that made it easier [14:52] <cloudpic> Yeah, this thing was proactive [14:52] <harryfreak359> i'll try to be here [14:52] <Aislinn> yes jason [14:52] <harryfreak359> yeah i think so [14:52] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [14:52] <Islwyn13> but that implies you have to know the protective magic is there to be hurt by it... [14:52] <artlady> Oh, man, I gotta go to the Patio and lie down. You guys are fantastic! bye! [14:53] <magicmeg8> More information on the Scribbulus chat can be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?act=a...nce&f=184&id=69 [14:53] <Islwyn13> doesn't seem likely, to me [14:53] <harryfreak359> bye [14:53] <cloudpic> Why do you think that it was two separate actions?? [14:53] <Aislinn> bye artlady [14:53] <Islwyn13> later, artlady! [14:53] *** artlady has quit [Bye] [14:53] <cloudpic> bye [14:53] *** Isabelle_Malfoy has joined #lounge [14:53] <TheGuruOfSloth> i don't know whether it was... but i'd been assuming he made this horcrux early because of when the memory was made. [14:53] <harryfreak359> he hadn't intended to make it both in the beginning [14:53] <cloudpic> yeah, me too [14:53] <TheGuruOfSloth> but realized maybe it didn't have to be that way [14:53] <Aislinn> I think diarymort was telling the truth when he said he created it to open the chamber [14:53] <TheGuruOfSloth> i'm just not sure [14:53] <cloudpic> How do you know that [14:53] <harryfreak359> i think so too aislinn [14:53] <Aislinn> and that was before he decided to also make it into a horcrux [14:54] *** Isabelle_Malfoy has quit [Bye] [14:54] <Islwyn13> agreed. [14:54] <harryfreak359> totally agreed [14:54] <Islwyn13> the memory LV was 16...he didn't learn about Horcruxes until he was 17 [14:54] <cloudpic> But, he killed his parents and myrtle [14:54] <cloudpic> early [14:54] <Islwyn13> memory must have been created before horcrux [14:54] <cloudpic> I see [14:54] <Mokey> what do you mean by later guru? [14:54] <harryfreak359> well we don't know when he actually learned of them [14:54] <TheGuruOfSloth> umm, like after [14:54] <Mokey> I mean how early [14:54] <Islwyn13> yes, we do...after he killed his father [14:54] <Islwyn13> which was after he opened the CoS [14:55] <Mokey> like a year, or before he graduated hogwarts? [14:55] <Islwyn13> oh, you mean when he heard the word "horcrux"? [14:55] <Aislinn> he had to go and learn how to make a horcrux somewhere(grindelwald?) [14:55] <Mokey> or right away [14:55] <TheGuruOfSloth> i just meant, mokes, that he may have first created the diary to store his memory, and then later turned it into a horcrux [14:55] <Aislinn> which meant he had to do it over one of the summers [14:55] <TheGuruOfSloth> don't know how long in between [14:55] <Islwyn13> so that maybe he was just confirming a detail with Slughorn, but already knew how to maek one? [14:55] <Aislinn> between 16 and 17 or 17 and 18 [14:55] <harryfreak359> yeah he just asked sluggy about them meaing he knew about them before [14:55] <cloudpic> And wanted to know if he could make more [14:55] <Aislinn> that's what I think Jason [14:55] <harryfreak359> who knows how much he knew about them [14:55] <cloudpic> than one [14:56] <harryfreak359> i agree cloudpic [14:56] <Aislinn> where would he have learned, Isl? [14:56] <Aislinn> there was nothing at school that would have told him [14:56] <cloudpic> He hung out with Syltherins... [14:56] <Islwyn13> don't know..Hermione only found one book that mentioned the word... [14:56] <harryfreak359> where dark lords learn things like that [14:56] <Islwyn13> in KNockturn alley, maybe? [14:56] <cloudpic> maybe it was legend like the whole thing with the Chamber [14:56] <Aislinn> its not a common thing, though [14:56] <Islwyn13> in a Dark Arts book? [14:56] <cloudpic> no [14:57] <Aislinn> I think he is one of the only wizards currently that know how to make one [14:57] <harryfreak359> hmm [14:57] <cloudpic> not common [14:57] <gryffindelle> maybe he knew grindlewald [14:57] <harryfreak359> DD probably did too [14:57] <magicmeg8> Thanks so much for joining us, everyone! We look forward to seeing you soon! [14:57] <cloudpic> Could be others know but don't do [14:57] <gryffindelle> if grind. made one [14:57] <Islwyn13> wow, what a combo, Grindlewald and LV! [14:57] <Aislinn> that's what I think, gryff [14:57] <TheGuruOfSloth> thanks CB staff! [14:57] <cloudpic> ewwww.... [14:57] <Islwyn13> Stop the world, I want off! [14:57] <harryfreak359> but didn't do it bc he was too noble [14:57] <cloudpic> Bye all - great topic!! [14:57] <harryfreak359> bye [14:57] *** TheGuruOfSloth left #lounge [] [14:57] <Aislinn> thanks to all the RG leaders that joined in today - great chat! [14:57] <Islwyn13> ooooh! but I want to keep talking! *pouts* [14:57] <harryfreak359> it was [14:58] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:58] <harryfreak359> me too [14:58] <Islwyn13> ok, later, all, this was great! [14:58] <harryfreak359> bye isl [14:58] <Islwyn13> start that thread, harryfreak! [14:58] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:58] <harryfreak359> i will! [14:58] <gryffindelle> bye, i guess [14:58] <Islwyn13> *puts on boxing gloves* [14:58] <harryfreak359> for sure! [14:58] <Islwyn13> where are you going to put it? [14:58] <Islwyn13> so I can find it easier? [14:58] <Islwyn13> or I can just search "Dumbledore moron" I guess smile [14:58] <harryfreak359> umm, i don't know where do you think? [14:58] <Islwyn13> Notable names, in in Flourish and Blotts? [14:59] <harryfreak359> Pensieve forum [14:59] <harryfreak359> maybe isl [14:59] <harryfreak359> i'll go do it right now [14:59] <Islwyn13> kk, see it soon smile [14:59] <Islwyn13> later, all smile [14:59] <harryfreak359> bye [14:59] <harryfreak359> yeah l8ers! [14:59] <Aislinn> bye all, great chat! [15:00] <gryffindelle> bye [15:00] *** Islwyn13 left #lounge [] [15:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:00] <andythehouseelf> Bye all! This post has been edited by magicmeg8: Jul 8 2006, 03:05 PM -------------------- |
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